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In my opinion, Omen has been really good ever since the start, but Neon was not so much. Let her enjoy some play rn before she gets nerfed to the ground
why would they nerf her without trying to buff other agents for counter play, I think they are going to see how much the concuss and sage slow buffs impact neon play first
As another deadlock main, I agree. She really looks in a great spot right now and with the more buffs coming in the next update I hope they don’t make her trips able to watch flanks honestly
I don't get why people think she is terrible because of passable "trips" amd called "worse Sage". Yes, you can see through her wall but why would you peek a locked area? Cypher mains don't push mains as a defender too without gettung information. Yes, her sensors are terrible as informatiom gathering, but why would you walk in the middle of site?😂 she is definitely underrated and finally have gotten her recognition
it might be just me (compared to those deadlock mains) but I feel like her trips seem a little weak... They can be basically ignored by walking, which most people do when flanking anyways...
Love how they nerf Raze bc she moved too fast with her satchels while also buffing the movement agent by making them faster, more dashes and more accurate :D
@@gemmameidia8438andddddddd it's been common knowledge that neon is getting nerfed next patch for awhile now? That's crazy, raze had those satchels for years whilst neon is getting nerfed relatively quick, wild
I watch my friend play yoru (asc 2) he plays similar to top tier yoru player eggster and watching either of them play co pared to plat/gold/silver/bronze yoru is a whole different agent (I watch all diff ranks via different friends from ranks bronze2-plat3)
As a current Diamond Deadlock OTP, I agree on most of the takes Giving her the ability to watch flank would be too much, but she's overall a very solid agent if the game is going your way. What I would disagree on is saying she is better than Cypher and Killjoy which both have more kill potential and overall have a more versatile kit that is much harder to bypass than Deadlock's I have lost count of the absurd amount of times where an enemy runs into my trip only to be replaced/backed up by someone who is slightly late and who is not stunned (or just straight up headshots me while under the concuss effect). I also have lost track of the amount of times where a single smoke can entirely counter my trip, as they can push into it as they please and since I am not KJ I can't damage them without spraying and exposing myself to the backlack, and I'm not Cypher so I simply cannot see them. Deadlock is also the only sentinel in the game to not have any rechargeable util, so she becomes useless during a retake if she already used everything she had to stall succesfully when Cypher still has Cam, KJ has turret, Vyse has flash... you get it. Overall I agree with you, she's strong, but she clearly isn't the best now and it's not because she can't watch flank, it's because enemies with a brain can easily work around her to counter her and how powerless she can be in a retake scenario.
@@Fårtnite-r5m This is EXACTLY what I am hoping for next patch when the changes arrive That, or reusable sensors that stays even after detonation. Both would be good, I'd be happy with either
@@INathPLAYI I always thought reusable sensors made more sense for her than Cypher lol. Like yea she doesn't flank watch, but her point is to stop hard pushes whereas Cypher trips to a degree do that and flank watch. Maybe now Cypher trips are more tuned down but still I wouldn't be opposed to that change.
I like your points. Though I wonder if that's where they want her to be in the sense that yea she isn't strong in re-take (unless she has her ult) but wouldn't one argue that Sentinels are inherently weaker in retake overall as their point is to hold it down (and honestly post-plant she is probably the strongest sentinel for that).
Honestly good tier list. Also it's so funny to me that the literal D tier agents are the ones who is incredibly powerful in pro play in the right hands. Even with viper after all the thousands of nerfs she got and yes even harbor is viable in this plays also kayo
Clove rarely sees any play in pro play and since they were happy to gut Viper for ranked, since she was a problem there and they left Reyna untouched for so long, I don't see why a nerf to Clove is necessary
Yeah that’s just a complete blunder on my part because I wrote Breach’s bit before Kayo’s in my script, honestly surprised you were the first person to point this out
ur cooking with the deadlock take, she obliterates overly aggressive teams (most ranked games mind you) her net can be used to take space and punish aggressive plays, the wall can be used to isolate peple when done right and the trips are the weakest part of her kit but they're still good at punishing dive obviously she's weak against teams that take it slow but in most ranked games you probably won't have to adapt to that, there's a very good reason why she has one of the highest wrs in high elo
For Clove, I wouldn’t be surprised if they nerf it so you can only use the amount of smokes you have when you’re alive after you die and they won’t recharge when you’re dead
I agree on the fact that Harbor is weak right now and walking through his wall slows you is kinda annoying but I think Harbor's "E" ability that is the wall is somewhat useful as you can turn it and it can cover multiple points of map with 1 utility like on abyss or pearl or even breeze which have larger areas to cover, harbor's wall comes handy as with 1 wall you can cover almost all site entry points. Saying that I still think it needs something more to it like how viper's wall decays and stuff so maybe a little stronger slow for enemy and eliminate the fact that it slows your team too, maybe making his cove a little stronger or his ult does something better. Riot really needs to come up with something for him.
His E has a problem though, you have to be in a very specific position to actually smoke it off well. For example, you can't smoke A from C in Haven but you also can't do a good smoke from B because the only way to do it is to either make a weirdly angled wall which gives the opponents some cheesy angles or the wall won't cover all angles. Not to mention, if you see a harbor smoke, you know Harbor has to be there.
@speedforce8970 I agree that smoking across the map is not possible with Harbor but i think that's not Harbor's play style at all like viper. They have walls so they can focus on a specific site but unlike viper which has a wall which can't be reused if the enemy decides to rotate but Harbor can. Also if you are choosing Harbor for a map like heaven it might feel weak depending on the play style but yeah you definitely can cover B and C through B site and similarly A and B through B but yeah might give a few rat spots. I believe Harbor is useful for longer maps like breeze, fracture, abyss. Even Viper's wall gives out a headshot angle on breeze through A site stairs but Harbor's wall blocks that too. All this saying I still think Harbor's util is weak and does needs help but as an agent I feel harbor is unique.
You are correct to put Clove above Omen in tierlist of fill roles, but Omen is better than Clove for soloq even after the nerfs. Clove winrate is inflated by duelist (especially Reyna) fills and Omen winrate is deflated by also fills from people who don't main him. Omen is most versatile agent in the game. He has both entry and lurk potential, none of controllers have, he has arguably best outplay potential on par with outplay king Yoru, has best flash and mid ult. Also you can still do more 1ways than any other character in the game, it is just harder to do them. Clove players are immediately strong, due to their kit, Omen mains who master that agent are just stronger, but it takes effort that filling players will never make.
if an agent is good but not annoying then there is no point to nerf them like omen he was good but not annoying they massacred him with the nerf when he didn't need it
I think Deadlock is still underpowered, but an interesting way they could buff her is by choosing whether or not her trips concuss. If they don’t concuss, then they give info no matter what. If they do, then it has to be sound.
You know what?... Nerfing Gekko and Omen consecutively in the patches really hurt me alot... Like c'mon man they were my two best agents... But yeah they were a little too powerful ngl
I’ve hated the meta because we have so many iso, neon, Jett, , and clove mains that insta lock we will have a comp with no flashes and well try to run it down through smokes…
riot messed cypher up , i cannot play it now , as a cypher main everyone breaks the trip before the wall hacks go off if i have 2 trips i dont know which one broke or got triggered. cypher is just unplayable now .
People suggesting you play KJ or Deadlock are just proving your point😂 They gotta balance him out now and all because people couldn't be patient and shoot his tags off. Tf is the point of a tripwire if you can just trip the wire with zero consequences?🙄
Honestly I feel the same about deadlock, her kit is very good in ranked, especially her wall, it just stays forever and if not broken it makes defense basically twice as easy so yeah pretty strong
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I agree to disagree. Viper is no doubt the worst agent in this game. All you can do is place smokes and not being able to pick them up. When you have no choice but to rotate you won't be able to control the site or smoke mid because you have no smokes. She also has only 1 snakebite so no lineups either like before. Duration of all abilities are also short making the use of smokes useless. With Harbor you still have some freedom with being able to smoke thanks to his wall.
Nah. As a Viper player she is better than the two she is above. Her ultimate is the only reason why. Ones you and your team plant and hold position I mostly always win every time I see an enemy walk in. They are also forced to push in a lose lose situation.
@@evangingerson1271 You've just pointed out the exact reason not to get viper. With your way of thinking, I am assuming low-elo. Unfortunately, this is not the case in Ascendant and Immortal. People will random ult or throw abilities in the pit to counter her ult. Take Kayo and Brim. Picking Viper just for her ult is not good enough. The fact that you're winning means you're playing against inpatient players. The point of being a smoker is to lock and control the site. An agent that can reliably rotate and have smokes to help teammates is important. Yes, we can argue to keep one of the smoke abilities for another moment, but what's the point of that on attack side? On defense, she's okay, but horrible on the attack side. Recently a lot of viper players have been struggling even with the ult because players have become aware on what to do and that's spam and not give a s*it.
@@gemmameidia8438 No, she isn't. The fact that almost all content creators, who made guide and plays with viper, have moved away from Viper says something completely different. The reason she got nerfed in the first place was because she was being used a lot in VCT, and she was pretty good. Viper never got any buffs, episode by episode she got nerfed. Before this nerf they had another one where they changed the duration of the smokes to be shorter, and we thought at some point she would get a buff if you look at Neon how she got buffs, how wrong we were. Let me ask you, kiddo. What exactly is “good” about this agent, and why would you choose her over any other smoker? Enlighten me.
@@VipapkStudiosOfficial You are correct. I picked up this game in September and I am bronze lol. I still can’t see how someone as garbage as Harbour can be better though. Maybe Kayo might be idk.
I actually think sage right now is kinda crazy especially early in a match since with regen shields you have to do over 75 damage to knock her down form a 125 health pool
You're a beautiful person placing Yoru so high. He's so good if you spend the time on him. Also whole heartedly agree that Astra is a sleeper pick, she's also great if you spend the time on her.
As ranked goes this is mostly correct. I think you're wrong with the sentinels again as usual (Vyse up, Sage down, Cypher up, Deadlock down, KJ as is) and ofc despite being adamant to use data to support Clove and Deadlock's placements you completely refuse to do so for Neon because it goes against the popular narrative for her, which is disappointing but not surprising.
It doesn't really go against the narrative, for example on Patch 9.10 so far she's still the 3rd highest win rate character, but I think the issue with her isn't really about win% anyway. As much as it's a major point I focus on for some of the other agents, we can't ignore the fact that Neon is a problem that people are BEGGING to be fixed, I didn't figure it was worth mentioning her win-rate since the community sentiment seems to be she's busted.
Deadlock is still getting a buff she's 100% gonna be broken. think like 2 gravity nets that sounds like hell and absolutely fun. Also I really don't like the fact y'all want neon nerfed she has such a high skill ceiling and is counterable with multiple abilities now that slides get nerfed with stuns and slow orbs. Edit: One more thing as a viper main I get people dislike her feeling weaker. But the fact I can smoke like 14 times a round still makes her strong regardless of any nerf or buff. Also I do find a lot of value on abyss with viper so that's good.
Personally think that breach is at least C tier since his stuns now greatly slow Jett dash and neon slide as well as raze util which is gonna make maps like sunset, split, pearl, and abyss really big maps for him
every agent is good if you know how to utilize their kit. The problem with kayo is coordinating with your team that won’t listen. A sova can dart and drone to clear corners. Kayo cannot. Sova is a much safer pick.
There is a lot controversial stuff in this video: First omen is the best controller (cuz he is agressive) Cypher and Kj are best sentinels. The cypher nerf is not that bad. Trips still give a lot of information and Kjs only problem is range. Raze is still very good and dominant on a lot of maps not like iso or yoru??
What do you think if Kayo’s knife scanned enemies once? I think that would have the potential to make kayo viable in rank. It could make him broken in pro play but I think with some other tweaks to him, it could greatly improve his team play with randoms.
As a cypher main I think this update kills him all the strong setups are easily countered because of the new trips and I think that kills the essence of what this agent is.
imo the best nerf to Neon is to slow her down ironically. If they decrease her sliding accuracy then there's no point to buffing it back up. In a sense its to gives you a chance to hit her
I was so mad when they nerfed jett back then. Now i feel like neon needs that same treatment. Nerf the accuracy or the amount of times she can run and slide. This is not okay anymore. Actually ruining the game
Who make this type of tire list? I think all agents are balanced except neon,fade,viper,harbour,kayo 1.neon needs to a small nerf 2.fade,viper,harbour,kayo needs a small buff.
I disagree woth Breach, i think he should be up with skye and be pretty interchangable on most maps except split (definitely Skye). He works really well with omen since him and oken can section off so much of each site with flashes snd stuns and letting either a jett dive in or a phoenix follow up with a pop flash right after. Also kj should be over deadlock in soloque imo, but just by a bit because its a lot easier to get value out of her
As a Harbor main (and even when I branch out, I always end up coming back), it's sad to admit he def is the worst in the game at the moment. Even his ult which people say is pretty decent (which in a way it is) is quite subpar in terms of capitalizing since the actual impairment is insanely easy to avoid (and run-and-gun is a whole other thing). Quite frankly, I can even say every part of his kit (outside the stupidity his smokes punish your team) can be buffed so I hope the changes he has coming down the road are good though I will say IMO he can work as a solo controller on several maps just his kit is subpar compared to others.
only things i cant agree with you is clove and astra. astra with 5 stars now feels so strong. in defense u can easily lock down a chokepoinz alone while having at least two more stars to smoke somewhere else. also in attack u can clear corners, smoke AND play for postplant. clove doesnt feel as strong bc her only utility that helps the team is the smokes.
Woah i love that ur saying Deadlock is the best sentinel in the game (which I agree with as a DL main since she came out and only play her for everything) I don't want other people playing deadlock stealing my main let the win rate stay high
Yoru is cracked but in the right hand. Can take up a lot of space. Can rotate very fast. Yoru in bind is S tier if u know how to flash-tp or even fake tp.
@KiRa_wtf_ Anything is cracked in the right hand. Yoru needs too much work compared to the results. (Just look at winrates and you will figure that one out)
Id disagree with iso beeing a tier and omen beeing b tier even for rank cuz the higher u climb the more value a omen in ur team gets due to the flash also with haven beeing in breach isnt weak however since yoru is only valid in high elo he should move down to b and lastly fade is only decent rn with abyss beeing the best map for her and honestly her kit isnt strong either
I genuinely don't understand how people think clove needs a nerf, they are probably one of the worst agents in the game, meddle is such a bad and expensive ability, it explodes way too quick, it's extremely easy to dodge and it decays enemies for barely 2 seconds if im not mistaken. Pick me up is decent, but it's still too expensive for how mediocre the ability is, the smokes last for barely 12 seconds, you go into the site, you plant the spike and the smokes already disappeared, the range of the smokes while dead is too small, and finally the ult could have been decent if they either didn't lowered the time to get a kill or added an ult orb
kayo is so bad because his ult telegraphs is exact position and he can get 1 tapped in his ult. his buff would be to make his hp to 300 (or something) so he can rush in like he is supposed to
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as long as cypher keeps getting nerfed im happy. omen, jett, neon nerfs are stupid and need to be reversed though. #DOWNLOADBUFF p.s: i hate how companies keep balancing things based on PRO PLAY. they should cater to the majority of players as they are the ones who keep the game alive and they are the essence and purpose of the game.
Im a deadlock main, but i still completely agree with you. Cypher is probably still better that kj too. Deadlock has been the 2nd best sentinel for a while now and with these huge cypher nerfs i think she finally tops him
Harbor is a smoker that must be used as a duelist he want to be solo which people dont understand and its understandable because he is called a smokers
its ridiculous that you rank kayo so low because he is hard to get value off because he is hard to play in ranked but then astra is supposedly better because you are good with her? yes but its not like a random teammate in ranked picking her is going to play her well at all 😂😂😂
Bro ranked agents by utility, but the video was just deathmatch. Play it in the background while you work-I'm doing that now. Otherwise, it's accurate.
I Think Breach is my only disagreement, he is better Then fade, for sure. He has the Best suport, and a very strong kit, that is Way more dificult to deal Then even sova, although sova is Better because of the reasons you listed on the vídeo.
I dont agree with most of this. First of all, you spent the entire time justifying why reyna is so low, but why is she so high? 3 or 4 of her util just helps you take another 50 50, which is the wrong way around. Utility should allow you to take advantaged gunfights. I would put D maybe C tier All the duelists being so high is also crazy. clove is an example of what happens when jett and reyna mains try an "aggresive smokes" and then actually give the team value for once. Finally viper is not D tier. on the maps currently in rotation, it is definitely better to have another smoker, but the lurks that are possible when the enemy team doesn't even consider them are crazy. I would put B tier.
Neon needs to be nerfed and the guy with two lives, Iso, as well, he can take a headshot or a shot with OP and keep playing, so unfair and makes no sense.
how are you going to have kayo as the worst initiator and then turn around and say "here is breach, the worst initiator in the game" makes me just turn the video off tbh
Sure sure !!! Lets not nerf the zooming radiant that can shoot accurately while sliding. Instead lets delete the only reason to pick omen over other smokers. Oh no i forgot omen ulti ... Nvm its useless.
i have been maining kayo for a long time and gotta say that changing the kayo flash was probably the worst desision they ever made. its unplayable in ranked. a 1.25 second flash isnt enough to get a kill and get out in higher ranks. the other flash is good if not for the fact that you can only really use it for team mates that usually dont even bother following up.
didnt know neon was that strong. since i otp her and no one besides me in my teams plays her and the neon in the enemy team most of the time doesnt play like me havent noticed it. i think it would be fine if they removed the pinpoint accuracy while sliding tho atm thats one of the parts of her kit that has the highest skill ceiing
CYPHER IN B WTF I get it the nerfs were really bad for him but still .... I never thought I would see that day that deadlock and kj would be placed higher then my bald boy cycy. So I respect ur opinion but I STRONGLY disagree
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Wow I remember yoru being low in tier list, glad he’s finally getting recognition as a yoru main
Its probably mostly because he's such a high-skilled agent and it's taken people so long to learn him XD
Its not realy good becuase other people might also start learning and picking yoru
we came from a long path friend
@@DeltaF396 True
that's not a good thing, get ready for a nerf my friend
nerfing omen but not neon is peak riot
Neon getting nerfed in next patch
they will. Hope Neon gonna get a Chamber nerf tbh.
In my opinion, Omen has been really good ever since the start, but Neon was not so much. Let her enjoy some play rn before she gets nerfed to the ground
@@matchochi3340 chup ho ja satvi fail
why would they nerf her without trying to buff other agents for counter play, I think they are going to see how much the concuss and sage slow buffs impact neon play first
As a Deadlock main since her release, seeing her be called the best sentinel in the game really makes me happy
As another deadlock main, I agree. She really looks in a great spot right now and with the more buffs coming in the next update I hope they don’t make her trips able to watch flanks honestly
Same here!
I don't get why people think she is terrible because of passable "trips" amd called "worse Sage". Yes, you can see through her wall but why would you peek a locked area? Cypher mains don't push mains as a defender too without gettung information. Yes, her sensors are terrible as informatiom gathering, but why would you walk in the middle of site?😂 she is definitely underrated and finally have gotten her recognition
Deadlock is most balanced and perfect agent rn imo
it might be just me (compared to those deadlock mains) but I feel like her trips seem a little weak... They can be basically ignored by walking, which most people do when flanking anyways...
Love how they nerf Raze bc she moved too fast with her satchels while also buffing the movement agent by making them faster, more dashes and more accurate :D
that was a while ago
@@Skelettettandd neon is still not get nerftedbyet
@@gemmameidia8438andddddddd it's been common knowledge that neon is getting nerfed next patch for awhile now? That's crazy, raze had those satchels for years whilst neon is getting nerfed relatively quick, wild
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Finally someone ranking yoru normally. I hate when people rank him low just because they’ve only seen shitty yoru players
I watch my friend play yoru (asc 2) he plays similar to top tier yoru player eggster and watching either of them play co pared to plat/gold/silver/bronze yoru is a whole different agent (I watch all diff ranks via different friends from ranks bronze2-plat3)
High skill ceiling characters in games always prevail on top given enough time.
As a current Diamond Deadlock OTP, I agree on most of the takes
Giving her the ability to watch flank would be too much, but she's overall a very solid agent if the game is going your way.
What I would disagree on is saying she is better than Cypher and Killjoy which both have more kill potential and overall have a more versatile kit that is much harder to bypass than Deadlock's
I have lost count of the absurd amount of times where an enemy runs into my trip only to be replaced/backed up by someone who is slightly late and who is not stunned (or just straight up headshots me while under the concuss effect).
I also have lost track of the amount of times where a single smoke can entirely counter my trip, as they can push into it as they please and since I am not KJ I can't damage them without spraying and exposing myself to the backlack, and I'm not Cypher so I simply cannot see them.
Deadlock is also the only sentinel in the game to not have any rechargeable util, so she becomes useless during a retake if she already used everything she had to stall succesfully when Cypher still has Cam, KJ has turret, Vyse has flash... you get it.
Overall I agree with you, she's strong, but she clearly isn't the best now and it's not because she can't watch flank, it's because enemies with a brain can easily work around her to counter her and how powerless she can be in a retake scenario.
As a Deadlock main, i understand ur pain 😭
Would it be too powerful to make her net the signature ability and make it recharge overtime
@@Fårtnite-r5m This is EXACTLY what I am hoping for next patch when the changes arrive
That, or reusable sensors that stays even after detonation.
Both would be good, I'd be happy with either
@@INathPLAYI I always thought reusable sensors made more sense for her than Cypher lol. Like yea she doesn't flank watch, but her point is to stop hard pushes whereas Cypher trips to a degree do that and flank watch. Maybe now Cypher trips are more tuned down but still I wouldn't be opposed to that change.
I like your points. Though I wonder if that's where they want her to be in the sense that yea she isn't strong in re-take (unless she has her ult) but wouldn't one argue that Sentinels are inherently weaker in retake overall as their point is to hold it down (and honestly post-plant she is probably the strongest sentinel for that).
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Honestly good tier list. Also it's so funny to me that the literal D tier agents are the ones who is incredibly powerful in pro play in the right hands. Even with viper after all the thousands of nerfs she got and yes even harbor is viable in this plays also kayo
he did point out that every agent is powerful in the right hands.
The right hands and also the right teammates. Those agents depends on team strats. which is why they rank so lowly in this Solo ranked tier list :'
yoru is actually such a peak agent, he is essentially chamber with flashes
Clove rarely sees any play in pro play and since they were happy to gut Viper for ranked, since she was a problem there and they left Reyna untouched for so long, I don't see why a nerf to Clove is necessary
4:40 how can be Breach "the worst initiator in ranked right now" when you've put him above kayo?
Yeah that’s just a complete blunder on my part because I wrote Breach’s bit before Kayo’s in my script, honestly surprised you were the first person to point this out
@ All good, its nice that you acknowledged that you did a blunder. Btw very nice video.
ur cooking with the deadlock take, she obliterates overly aggressive teams (most ranked games mind you) her net can be used to take space and punish aggressive plays, the wall can be used to isolate peple when done right and the trips are the weakest part of her kit but they're still good at punishing dive
obviously she's weak against teams that take it slow but in most ranked games you probably won't have to adapt to that, there's a very good reason why she has one of the highest wrs in high elo
Ngl I think the only buffs vyse needs is to thorns and her ult
For Clove, I wouldn’t be surprised if they nerf it so you can only use the amount of smokes you have when you’re alive after you die and they won’t recharge when you’re dead
Sounds good but the current smoke needs to still reload otherwise you would be without smokes when you die and the whole point of clove is gone
Maybe increase a bit the price of smoke and also increase the cd
I agree on the fact that Harbor is weak right now and walking through his wall slows you is kinda annoying but I think Harbor's "E" ability that is the wall is somewhat useful as you can turn it and it can cover multiple points of map with 1 utility like on abyss or pearl or even breeze which have larger areas to cover, harbor's wall comes handy as with 1 wall you can cover almost all site entry points. Saying that I still think it needs something more to it like how viper's wall decays and stuff so maybe a little stronger slow for enemy and eliminate the fact that it slows your team too, maybe making his cove a little stronger or his ult does something better. Riot really needs to come up with something for him.
His E has a problem though, you have to be in a very specific position to actually smoke it off well. For example, you can't smoke A from C in Haven but you also can't do a good smoke from B because the only way to do it is to either make a weirdly angled wall which gives the opponents some cheesy angles or the wall won't cover all angles. Not to mention, if you see a harbor smoke, you know Harbor has to be there.
@speedforce8970 I agree that smoking across the map is not possible with Harbor but i think that's not Harbor's play style at all like viper. They have walls so they can focus on a specific site but unlike viper which has a wall which can't be reused if the enemy decides to rotate but Harbor can. Also if you are choosing Harbor for a map like heaven it might feel weak depending on the play style but yeah you definitely can cover B and C through B site and similarly A and B through B but yeah might give a few rat spots. I believe Harbor is useful for longer maps like breeze, fracture, abyss. Even Viper's wall gives out a headshot angle on breeze through A site stairs but Harbor's wall blocks that too. All this saying I still think Harbor's util is weak and does needs help but as an agent I feel harbor is unique.
You are correct to put Clove above Omen in tierlist of fill roles, but Omen is better than Clove for soloq even after the nerfs. Clove winrate is inflated by duelist (especially Reyna) fills and Omen winrate is deflated by also fills from people who don't main him. Omen is most versatile agent in the game. He has both entry and lurk potential, none of controllers have, he has arguably best outplay potential on par with outplay king Yoru, has best flash and mid ult. Also you can still do more 1ways than any other character in the game, it is just harder to do them. Clove players are immediately strong, due to their kit, Omen mains who master that agent are just stronger, but it takes effort that filling players will never make.
if an agent is good but not annoying then there is no point to nerf them like omen he was good but not annoying they massacred him with the nerf when he didn't need it
I mean she doesnt have her gun out while running but the sliding part is just fking ridiculous
I think Deadlock is still underpowered, but an interesting way they could buff her is by choosing whether or not her trips concuss. If they don’t concuss, then they give info no matter what. If they do, then it has to be sound.
You’ve gotta be low elo if you think she’s underpowered. She is fine as she is.
You know what?... Nerfing Gekko and Omen consecutively in the patches really hurt me alot... Like c'mon man they were my two best agents... But yeah they were a little too powerful ngl
I’ve hated the meta because we have so many iso, neon, Jett, , and clove mains that insta lock we will have a comp with no flashes and well try to run it down through smokes…
riot messed cypher up , i cannot play it now , as a cypher main everyone breaks the trip before the wall hacks go off
if i have 2 trips i dont know which one broke or got triggered. cypher is just unplayable now .
no he's not, if you wanna play off kill setups then play deadlock or kj
Which one broke? Do you guys use minimap?
What rank is this in? It's a rough nerf but far from unplayable
Just play kj
People suggesting you play KJ or Deadlock are just proving your point😂
They gotta balance him out now and all because people couldn't be patient and shoot his tags off. Tf is the point of a tripwire if you can just trip the wire with zero consequences?🙄
Harbor Ideas:
Allies dont get slowed by walls
Hide Tide is taller
Cascade is Cheaper (150 -> 125) and he gets 1 extra Cascade (3 Total)
also make his Cascade have the ability to be stoppable
@@zakyathaya1605 it is stoppable
Honestly I feel the same about deadlock, her kit is very good in ranked, especially her wall, it just stays forever and if not broken it makes defense basically twice as easy so yeah pretty strong
Whats funny about the ad is that BUFF is currently borked right now.
From a deadlock creator thank you kanga for shedding light on deadlocks potential! She is so incredibly slept on and I’ve been praying that riot doesn’t over buff her! Amazing video as always love the takes you have overall!
As a Chamber main I agree, I think the only buff chamber needs to become viable again is if they bring back his second Trademark+inf range
I agree to disagree. Viper is no doubt the worst agent in this game. All you can do is place smokes and not being able to pick them up. When you have no choice but to rotate you won't be able to control the site or smoke mid because you have no smokes. She also has only 1 snakebite so no lineups either like before. Duration of all abilities are also short making the use of smokes useless.
With Harbor you still have some freedom with being able to smoke thanks to his wall.
Nah. As a Viper player she is better than the two she is above. Her ultimate is the only reason why. Ones you and your team plant and hold position I mostly always win every time I see an enemy walk in. They are also forced to push in a lose lose situation.
Nope bro, viper is my 1st pick for smoker if I have to autofill. Even after all the nerfs, she is still okay
@@evangingerson1271 You've just pointed out the exact reason not to get viper. With your way of thinking, I am assuming low-elo. Unfortunately, this is not the case in Ascendant and Immortal. People will random ult or throw abilities in the pit to counter her ult. Take Kayo and Brim. Picking Viper just for her ult is not good enough. The fact that you're winning means you're playing against inpatient players.
The point of being a smoker is to lock and control the site. An agent that can reliably rotate and have smokes to help teammates is important. Yes, we can argue to keep one of the smoke abilities for another moment, but what's the point of that on attack side? On defense, she's okay, but horrible on the attack side. Recently a lot of viper players have been struggling even with the ult because players have become aware on what to do and that's spam and not give a s*it.
@@gemmameidia8438 No, she isn't. The fact that almost all content creators, who made guide and plays with viper, have moved away from Viper says something completely different. The reason she got nerfed in the first place was because she was being used a lot in VCT, and she was pretty good. Viper never got any buffs, episode by episode she got nerfed.
Before this nerf they had another one where they changed the duration of the smokes to be shorter, and we thought at some point she would get a buff if you look at Neon how she got buffs, how wrong we were.
Let me ask you, kiddo. What exactly is “good” about this agent, and why would you choose her over any other smoker? Enlighten me.
@@VipapkStudiosOfficial You are correct. I picked up this game in September and I am bronze lol. I still can’t see how someone as garbage as Harbour can be better though. Maybe Kayo might be idk.
as a deadlock main, TRUE. enemies literally avoid me at any cost and even jst default all game jst to find where im locking down
As a Gekko Main and someone who learns Yoru currently, i am happy with the list :D
I actually think sage right now is kinda crazy especially early in a match since with regen shields you have to do over 75 damage to knock her down form a 125 health pool
You're a beautiful person placing Yoru so high. He's so good if you spend the time on him.
Also whole heartedly agree that Astra is a sleeper pick, she's also great if you spend the time on her.
As ranked goes this is mostly correct. I think you're wrong with the sentinels again as usual (Vyse up, Sage down, Cypher up, Deadlock down, KJ as is)
and ofc despite being adamant to use data to support Clove and Deadlock's placements you completely refuse to do so for Neon because it goes against the popular narrative for her, which is disappointing but not surprising.
It doesn't really go against the narrative, for example on Patch 9.10 so far she's still the 3rd highest win rate character, but I think the issue with her isn't really about win% anyway. As much as it's a major point I focus on for some of the other agents, we can't ignore the fact that Neon is a problem that people are BEGGING to be fixed, I didn't figure it was worth mentioning her win-rate since the community sentiment seems to be she's busted.
I usually play with some of my friends who are in the NA region with 250 ping on Clove, you can do so much even with the ping difference.
Deadlock is still getting a buff she's 100% gonna be broken. think like 2 gravity nets that sounds like hell and absolutely fun.
Also I really don't like the fact y'all want neon nerfed she has such a high skill ceiling and is counterable with multiple abilities now that slides get nerfed with stuns and slow orbs.
Edit: One more thing as a viper main I get people dislike her feeling weaker. But the fact I can smoke like 14 times a round still makes her strong regardless of any nerf or buff.
Also I do find a lot of value on abyss with viper so that's good.
Personally think that breach is at least C tier since his stuns now greatly slow Jett dash and neon slide as well as raze util which is gonna make maps like sunset, split, pearl, and abyss really big maps for him
I honestly still think kayo deserves a higher rating, on paper he's a great agent and can definitely be viable for someone who knows how to play him
every agent is good if you know how to utilize their kit. The problem with kayo is coordinating with your team that won’t listen. A sova can dart and drone to clear corners. Kayo cannot. Sova is a much safer pick.
There is a lot controversial stuff in this video:
First omen is the best controller (cuz he is agressive)
Cypher and Kj are best sentinels. The cypher nerf is not that bad. Trips still give a lot of information and Kjs only problem is range.
Raze is still very good and dominant on a lot of maps not like iso or yoru??
What do you think if Kayo’s knife scanned enemies once? I think that would have the potential to make kayo viable in rank. It could make him broken in pro play but I think with some other tweaks to him, it could greatly improve his team play with randoms.
its too op its a borderline unbreakable scan, sit in the smoke and farm kills
@ yeah but not if they’re behind cover. Also I was thinking to add to that, they would have to be in line of sight of it
The only agent that needs a nerf is neon ATM. Clove is unnecessary since her/their smokes duration is less than the other controller in the game
As a cypher main I think this update kills him all the strong setups are easily countered because of the new trips and I think that kills the essence of what this agent is.
imo the best nerf to Neon is to slow her down ironically. If they decrease her sliding accuracy then there's no point to buffing it back up. In a sense its to gives you a chance to hit her
if they slow neon down then she's outright useless, her entire purpose being gone
I was so mad when they nerfed jett back then. Now i feel like neon needs that same treatment. Nerf the accuracy or the amount of times she can run and slide. This is not okay anymore. Actually ruining the game
Who make this type of tire list? I think all agents are balanced except neon,fade,viper,harbour,kayo
1.neon needs to a small nerf
2.fade,viper,harbour,kayo needs a small buff.
I disagree woth Breach, i think he should be up with skye and be pretty interchangable on most maps except split (definitely Skye). He works really well with omen since him and oken can section off so much of each site with flashes snd stuns and letting either a jett dive in or a phoenix follow up with a pop flash right after. Also kj should be over deadlock in soloque imo, but just by a bit because its a lot easier to get value out of her
A genuine request pls make these tier list regularly.
L tier list. french rich man negs
they're constantly finding ways to lower the skill ceiling of this game. so stupid
I like phoenix buff but the flash need to nerf especially the flash time
way funny you listed reyna and raze that low; even with nerfs they are amongst the most OP if not the top 2
As a Harbor main (and even when I branch out, I always end up coming back), it's sad to admit he def is the worst in the game at the moment. Even his ult which people say is pretty decent (which in a way it is) is quite subpar in terms of capitalizing since the actual impairment is insanely easy to avoid (and run-and-gun is a whole other thing). Quite frankly, I can even say every part of his kit (outside the stupidity his smokes punish your team) can be buffed so I hope the changes he has coming down the road are good though I will say IMO he can work as a solo controller on several maps just his kit is subpar compared to others.
only things i cant agree with you is clove and astra. astra with 5 stars now feels so strong. in defense u can easily lock down a chokepoinz alone while having at least two more stars to smoke somewhere else. also in attack u can clear corners, smoke AND play for postplant.
clove doesnt feel as strong bc her only utility that helps the team is the smokes.
In pro play, I think astra > clove but in competitive, its defo clove>astra.
Woah i love that ur saying Deadlock is the best sentinel in the game (which I agree with as a DL main since she came out and only play her for everything) I don't want other people playing deadlock stealing my main let the win rate stay high
Yoru in A tier is smoking something but other than that good list
Yoru is cracked but in the right hand. Can take up a lot of space. Can rotate very fast. Yoru in bind is S tier if u know how to flash-tp or even fake tp.
@KiRa_wtf_ Anything is cracked in the right hand. Yoru needs too much work compared to the results. (Just look at winrates and you will figure that one out)
Id disagree with iso beeing a tier and omen beeing b tier even for rank cuz the higher u climb the more value a omen in ur team gets due to the flash also with haven beeing in breach isnt weak however since yoru is only valid in high elo he should move down to b and lastly fade is only decent rn with abyss beeing the best map for her and honestly her kit isnt strong either
deadlock above omen and chyper and raze is something i thought i would never see
I genuinely don't understand how people think clove needs a nerf, they are probably one of the worst agents in the game, meddle is such a bad and expensive ability, it explodes way too quick, it's extremely easy to dodge and it decays enemies for barely 2 seconds if im not mistaken. Pick me up is decent, but it's still too expensive for how mediocre the ability is, the smokes last for barely 12 seconds, you go into the site, you plant the spike and the smokes already disappeared, the range of the smokes while dead is too small, and finally the ult could have been decent if they either didn't lowered the time to get a kill or added an ult orb
Clove simply needs nerf because other Controllers are no match for her. Omen used to but they nerfed one of his primary skill.
kayo is so bad because his ult telegraphs is exact position and he can get 1 tapped in his ult. his buff would be to make his hp to 300 (or something) so he can rush in like he is supposed to
I have never been able to earn anything with buff with hundreds of hours in multiple games and valorant points are never in the shop. it does not work and on top of that it might be the most annoying that ever because of how often it has popups and stupid messages that show randomly. I do not care how much they pay me I would never talk good about buff
why does the clip on sunset deatmatch look so bright in the first minute of the video
They overhauled the shadows / lighting on Sunset in Patch 9.10
@@KangaValorant
It looks so nice and realistic I love it. Wish they would do the same with the other maps.
@@KangaValorant hmmmm i see thanks for letting me know
I find breach and cypher most irritating. They should be A Tier.
Harbor desperately needs a big buff
as long as cypher keeps getting nerfed im happy. omen, jett, neon nerfs are stupid and need to be reversed though. #DOWNLOADBUFF
p.s: i hate how companies keep balancing things based on PRO PLAY. they should cater to the majority of players as they are the ones who keep the game alive and they are the essence and purpose of the game.
I feel like Viper isn't that far off. If she had more up time, i.e. more gas, then she'd be just fine imo.
Although, I will say being able to pick up the orb would also be nice.
I still believe Cypher is still A tier, even if just barely (no bias as a Cypher main), if a good player is using him, Cypher can absolutely pop off.
Im a deadlock main, but i still completely agree with you. Cypher is probably still better that kj too. Deadlock has been the 2nd best sentinel for a while now and with these huge cypher nerfs i think she finally tops him
Reyna's ult is endless how this is fair? Also they didn't nerf neon 😠😠
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Jett has the best weapon ult but not best eco, the easiest kills are with yorus ult and a bucky
Calling kayo bad and saying deadlock the best sentinel is actually insane lmao
Clove in my opinion is better in double controller because her smokes are so short
"Clove isn't annoying to play against" tell that to all the Clove sweats who dominate a lot of my lobbies.
Harbor is a smoker that must be used as a duelist he want to be solo which people dont understand and its understandable because he is called a smokers
i’ll never understand the viper glazing. at least harbor can reuse the wall somewhere else.
after seeing this skin for such a long time im regretting my decision for buying nectrium phantom :(
its ridiculous that you rank kayo so low because he is hard to get value off because he is hard to play in ranked but then astra is supposedly better because you are good with her? yes but its not like a random teammate in ranked picking her is going to play her well at all 😂😂😂
Bro ranked agents by utility, but the video was just deathmatch. Play it in the background while you work-I'm doing that now. Otherwise, it's accurate.
It pains me to see viper, which used to be the best controller, at the bottom of the teir list. Give viper one molly back pls!
I Think Breach is my only disagreement, he is better Then fade, for sure. He has the Best suport, and a very strong kit, that is Way more dificult to deal Then even sova, although sova is Better because of the reasons you listed on the vídeo.
I dont agree with most of this. First of all, you spent the entire time justifying why reyna is so low, but why is she so high? 3 or 4 of her util just helps you take another 50 50, which is the wrong way around. Utility should allow you to take advantaged gunfights. I would put D maybe C tier
All the duelists being so high is also crazy. clove is an example of what happens when jett and reyna mains try an "aggresive smokes" and then actually give the team value for once.
Finally viper is not D tier. on the maps currently in rotation, it is definitely better to have another smoker, but the lurks that are possible when the enemy team doesn't even consider them are crazy. I would put B tier.
Neon needs to be nerfed and the guy with two lives, Iso, as well, he can take a headshot or a shot with OP and keep playing, so unfair and makes no sense.
This patch is just healing meta and its sooooo annoying. Buffed phoenix heal. Biffed safe heal. New armor that can heal. Like stop
how are you going to have kayo as the worst initiator and then turn around and say "here is breach, the worst initiator in the game" makes me just turn the video off tbh
Funny how many people claims the removal of one way smokes as lowering the skill cap lmfao
Sure sure !!! Lets not nerf the zooming radiant that can shoot accurately while sliding. Instead lets delete the only reason to pick omen over other smokers. Oh no i forgot omen ulti ... Nvm its useless.
i have been maining kayo for a long time and gotta say that changing the kayo flash was probably the worst desision they ever made. its unplayable in ranked. a 1.25 second flash isnt enough to get a kill and get out in higher ranks. the other flash is good if not for the fact that you can only really use it for team mates that usually dont even bother following up.
This is the first person i've seen actually use their brain while making a teirlist
really good tier list tho :D
kinda good tierlist
didnt know neon was that strong. since i otp her and no one besides me in my teams plays her and the neon in the enemy team most of the time doesnt play like me havent noticed it. i think it would be fine if they removed the pinpoint accuracy while sliding tho atm thats one of the parts of her kit that has the highest skill ceiing
Neon is incredibly overtuned, has been since she got the buff. Her nerf is coming next patch
@@frost9681 i hope they dont change her general movement
I feel like the cypher nerf may have been a step in the right direction, but 0.5 is just too much.
The Raze take is a hot take not gonna lie... Idk how I feel...
CYPHER IN B WTF I get it the nerfs were really bad for him but still .... I never thought I would see that day that deadlock and kj would be placed higher then my bald boy cycy. So I respect ur opinion but I STRONGLY disagree
Waiting for the day people realize Clove is D tier and always has been
u can be good at anything if u know how to play it tbf
omen nerf was the worst part of this month
they should remove the harrbor slowing the team and himself it would make him viable
Viper is in D for solo plays... pair her with another controller, she is unstoppable
YESSSS KJ❤
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