STIHL MSA300 vs MS261 Chainsaw | Is FUEL DEAD?!

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  • We compare the brand new STIHL MSA 300 battery chainsaw against the STIHL MS261C petrol chainsaw. Is this the end of petrol/gas chainsaws? Watch this video to find out.
    The STIHL MSA 300 battery-powered chainsaw is the most powerful professional cordless chainsaw. Part of the STIHL AP System of battery tools, it has three power levels which let you adjust the chain speed of the chainsaw between 20, 24 or 30 m/s. So you can use it in the right way for whatever task you are doing, whether it’s felling, pruning or cutting to length, all whilst maximising the battery life. It also features an anti-vibration system and like all of our battery tools, it’s quieter than the petrol equivalent and easy to use. The LED display on the chainsaw makes it easy to monitor oil levels, check the status of the chain brake and the temperature of the cordless chainsaw too.
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  • @lumihanki5631
    @lumihanki5631 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I rock three MS 200, one MS 170, two Makita cord saws and one Stihl cord saw. All from the early 2000s onward. Bought my first multitronic MS 241 10 years back in 2013 and that MS 261 in 2019. They all run and have their purposes. Bought an MSA 220C last year and even with the AP500s battery it was a complete let down, sold it off last Saturday and bought this MSA 300C today. I can finally give an approval and a word of confidence toward this new technology after having a go with it. I work in log construction and restoration, and we put these machines through the mill, not an easy life for any equipment. The 220 couldn't even push through a 6" log without easing off before the chain stopped moving. My own extension with 8" thick walls was completely off limits to it. Joinery was nearly impossible to accomplish and every small kickback would loosen the chain cause the fast tensioning couldn't handle the strikes.
    Found this video a bit amusing trying to discreetly discredit petrol chainsaws as outdated. My worksites don't often even have electricity to recharge the batteries and running a set of three 500€ batteries can get a bit expensive not to mention difficult just to make it through a work day. All these machines have their uses. I'm just glad Stihl finally came up with a battery option that allows unhinged indoor operating. The component shortage limited the resales over this behemoth last year they just arrived to the open market couple of weeks ago.

  • @guly
    @guly ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I dont like it. Im not born yesterday. You can easily see on the big log you did small rocking motion with the dogs with the MSA 300, while on the petrol you just let the weight of the saw so the cutting. We are not blind, and i dont understand why someone would do it like that... Everything else is quality with this video, and the electric saw is impressive. But the small rocking shows the tester wants the electric saw to do better. Thats not objective teating

    • @lifooz2955
      @lifooz2955 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Refreshing with someone else call out these BS-testers! I´ve just for fun been watching some clips, and they often put one machine in favo for another and rigs the test for that machine!
      /L

  • @jonharvey3676
    @jonharvey3676 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The cross cut speed test: the 261 wasn't pushed into the wood hard enough; meant that it was revving over it's torque band and dusting instead of eating the wood. If it had had more load behind it the revs would have droped and the torque would have been right i.e. 9000rpm vs 12000 and got through log quicker.

    • @iasha740
      @iasha740 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's what I saw, I didn't hear the revs dropping on the 261 as much as with the 300, meaning it was barely being pushed. Also the dust you are getting with it does mean that one, the chain is dull or two, you are not pressing hard enough.

    • @nheng6913
      @nheng6913 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@iasha740 Ditto

    • @iacobeniful
      @iacobeniful 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      De acord. Iar turatia lui 261 fara garnirura de taiere,13400 rpm in gol, este putin. Trebuia cel putin 14600 rpm.

  • @laguintasuarez6601
    @laguintasuarez6601 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.

  • @michedmck
    @michedmck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Thanks for the great review! I am currently running the Stihl MSA220c. It's an impressive saw for what it is, but I think the 300 is a cut above, so to speak.
    My main concern with battery powered saws is the huge cost, and I find it difficult to justify this extra outlay. Just like the Tesla cars which have about 80% fewer parts, they should be cheaper than petrol cars, but alas... The same holds true for Stihl's MSA range. Just think - no critical engineering of internal combustion motors (think piston, con-rods, cylinders), clutches, ignition modules, exhaust systems. Just a plain brushless motor with some gears, and an electric controller. Should cost half of the petrol equivalent! And the there's the battery - heavy, expensive, short-lasting.
    Let's hope it's a case of economies of scale - tight now we're paying for development costs. But once battery saws are in the mainstream, they should (here's hoping) be cheaper than petrol saws...
    My 20c

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you Mike, I have to agree with you, they should be so much cheaper than petrol! With Stihl being at the forefront of chainsaw manufacture they spend millions on r&d, the initial cost of these products is pretty to much pay this bill. The same as Tesla, they have only just started turning a profit after how many years of development? Fingers crossed… they come down in price in a few years 🤩

    • @sirvozelo1
      @sirvozelo1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hello I have the 220C to and I also have the 161T, each one on it´s class the 161T as of my concern is far superior. I just buy the MSA300 2 weeks ago I have used it one time about 15 minutes and other time about 3 hours, is no way in the world the 220C got even near power-wise. The big problem is the battery I was using the AP500 and if running in full power mode cutting logs about 3/4 of the blade (i was with 40cm.) you may got 15 minutes battery time. If you go in the second speed witch is little slow you maybe around 30 minutes. One thing I notice I was next to the house so wile I was using one battery I was charging another one, with charger500 I recharge themes before they got in red light however when I put themes to charge the the red light come on and it may take about 12 minutes for the 500 charger to cool the batteries, at same time the temperature outside was about 34 centigrade and on the garage probably 25+. Yes is a very fast saw I just wish the batteries with last little longer. One thing that give me a little stress was the button on the side that we must press before the trigger so the machine with run, I am accustomed to the design of the 161T and the 220C and this one don´t feels as comfortable to me, but maybe is a matter of got use to it.

    • @Comm0ut
      @Comm0ut ปีที่แล้ว

      As I've found with my many cordless tools the up-front cost is higher but my time is worth money and they always pay off. I'm a lifelong mechanic but chainsaw fuel systems will never not be annoying. When I had shoulder replacement surgery I also had trees to fall and cordless worked a treat. Now my carefully mothballed gassers have hung on the wall since 2018 along with my nice Shindaiwa weedeater.
      Cordless tool cost isn't "huge" in constant dollars and total O&M (operation and maintenance) cost is more relevant over time than purchase cost. Quality cordless tools last (I still use my 2005-era V28 Milwaukee recip and portaband saws). No more spring fuel system rituals and being able to grab and go are great advantages.
      Cordless tools are far better for DIYers than say a homeowner who is otherwise helpless but needs a chain saw now and then. The batteries for my chainsaws also power drills, angle grinders, recip saws and other tools so every addition to the fleet is useful. With labor costs being so high tools are a screaming deal for those who use them or use them over time. A few hundred bucks isn't much per year over say a decade.

  • @joshuabush2569
    @joshuabush2569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm a big fan of engines, I trained as a mechanic before getting into landscaping. I still love servicing and tuning my 2 and 4 stroke garden machinery but I think it's pretty inevitable that battery will replace most if not all garden machinery soon enough... I've switched to all Ego apart from my mower and brush cutter but I think I'll be fully battery soon enough. They are such a joy to use.

    • @hairychainsaw2629
      @hairychainsaw2629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really impressed with my RMA 448 battery mower.. think Hayes might sell them!

  • @chainsawjenna
    @chainsawjenna ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video guys! This helps me figure out my next saw! Keep up the great work!

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much Jenna 😎 I hope the carving is going well!

  • @em4703
    @em4703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I don't know why they call it equivalent to a 50cc saw when it weighs as much as a MS 400 and it most definitely doesn't come close in power to it. But hey, if all you need is low noise and a 16" bar and respectable grunt, I get it. It definitely has its use. I guess in ~10+ years we'll see some nice jumps in power-to-weight ratios in battery chainsaws. When they'll make one equivalent to a 661, they'll definitely take my attention and probably money.

    • @markatkinson9963
      @markatkinson9963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wave of the future. Gas powered saws are going to be on their way out for the consumer soon.

    • @leifvejby8023
      @leifvejby8023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That is simply because it has the power and cutting speed of a 50ccm.
      About the weight, I can easily find a 50ccm that is heavier than this one!

    • @johnkennedy8363
      @johnkennedy8363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Don’t forget the stench of 2 stroke oil that lingers on you clothes for days.

    • @leifvejby8023
      @leifvejby8023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnkennedy8363 That is not a problem when using alkylate petrol.

    • @chrisyerp174
      @chrisyerp174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Did the guy above try perfume lol

  • @jossmith1990
    @jossmith1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is one great video! Really impressed with the performance of that MSA300 🤘🏼. Well made guys

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Surprising results. Even James maybe converted 😂

  • @chrisd2374
    @chrisd2374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great channel stumbled across while chainsaw shopping! Now off to the website.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let us know if there is anything you need 😎

  • @landonfricker5336
    @landonfricker5336 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It really is crazy how far battery powered equipment has come. Interesting to see how many people take it up.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Landon, it has come a long way will be more interesting to see where it is in 5 or 10 years 😎

  • @andrewadam9544
    @andrewadam9544 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great comparison apart from the run times, as someone who owns a top end off road Ebike i have seen the massive improvements in battery and their management systems over just a couple of years, however one thing that hasnt improved is the price of the equipment or the batteries, you commented about the cost of fuel rising and rightly so, however have you seen the price rise of lithium and cobalt etc which batteries use ? the cost of batteries, recharge times (if your even near a plug ! ) will always be very restrictive and for any user other than an occassional user the run time or cost of spare batteries for a full days work in the woods makes this a total non starter

  • @Rodbuilder109
    @Rodbuilder109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just came across your TH-cam channel courtesy of Steve small engine repair from Canada. I like how you compared the gas engine equivalent to the battery operated steel chainsaw.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Lance and welcome to the channel 🤩

  • @ryanbruner8928
    @ryanbruner8928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Look at that bar oil dump during the rpm tests,what a great sight :)

  • @SjoerdV83
    @SjoerdV83 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been using this MSA 300 for little over a year now, and it's absolute beast. It just doesn't cut trees, it slaughters them. I'm running 2 ap500 batteries and charge them with an inverter in my car. 1000 watt inverter. When i've buttcherd my first customer of the day the battery needs to be replaced and the empty bat gets charged in my car. And I keep rotating them for the rest of the day.

    • @ImpartiallySpeaking
      @ImpartiallySpeaking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really interesting, thank you. How would it compare with the much less expensive Husqvarna 540iXP?

  • @AaronDav-nq8hk
    @AaronDav-nq8hk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the whole battery idea, but for me the noise is part of the chainsaw experience........love the sound chainsaws make!

    • @tinmanstavern
      @tinmanstavern 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You will have to get a recording to play alongside 😂

    • @AaronDav-nq8hk
      @AaronDav-nq8hk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MachineryNation Hahahhah yep

  • @daveyboy6985
    @daveyboy6985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My boss just picked up one today.
    Haven't used it yet, but really looking forward to. 😉

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome Davey, let us know what you think 👍🏼

  • @elanshmueli1
    @elanshmueli1 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, im looking forward for the comparasion beatween the msa 220 tc and the ms 201 t...

  • @DJC995
    @DJC995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice One looks a good saw will the 500 battery's work in the other equipment Thanks again

  • @andrewford80
    @andrewford80 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your tach "wheel" needs to be the exact same circumference as the sprcket you're reading off to get an accurate RPM reading of the engine. It looks to me like it's a little smaller, so it would read higher.

    • @abc-bca
      @abc-bca ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's sad their 'quantitative' test overlooks such details, besides acknowledging Stihls specification is different. Well at least the sprockets on these two saws match so the comparison is valid, as for both an inflated value is measured.

  • @tomwilkinson6582
    @tomwilkinson6582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vid Request... Could you do a video on how the MSA 300 and other bigger battery saws work with the AP300 battery, how much less power than with the AP300s or 500. I have the msa200 with ap300 batteries like I'm sure a lot of people do. I want to expand into some of the bigger saws but obviously don't want to have to buy different batteries. Thanks Guys, love the videos, keep up the good work.

  • @ButchHudson
    @ButchHudson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The new battery saw performs really well. But for me, working in forrest to get my firewood, I would need 5-6 batteries with me. That is OK, I can prepare them, fully charge in advance and recharge them overnight. But entry costs of chainsaw + 6 batteries is a killer. I better buy 2 petrol chains and still save money.... Maybe once the prices will be more reasonable.

  • @danch123
    @danch123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's seriously impressive how far battery equipment has come along. I'd love to see a battery saw actually fell a decent tree though. Yet to see any video if this done in the UK.

    • @sirvozelo1
      @sirvozelo1 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can bet the MSA300 can fell a decent tree, for about 1 year sense I have it I have fell quite few oaks and also using the saw in a continuous cutting from a pile of logs, in did that is not the issue the real issue is even the best battery the AP500S fail short for this saw.
      If you cut continuos on a 40cm diameter oak 11 or 12 cuts and you need to recharge the AP500S battery.

  • @roylewis2708
    @roylewis2708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely spectacular performance, Impressed !! Great comparison guys !!

  • @markburridge6339
    @markburridge6339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison. Looking for something to carry while off roading. Think the MSA 220 c-b is a better fit for me. I would like to see a comparison of the AP 300S and the AP 500 batteries running in the MSA 220 c-b.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s awesome Mark, please let us know if we can help 👍🏼

  • @Theepicfarmer_2347
    @Theepicfarmer_2347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That chain saw is amazing I’m looking for one and now I will buy it after this video

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, Thank you for Subscribing 😇

  • @dougphillips5686
    @dougphillips5686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, great video. I'm going to get a cordless chain saw. STIHL looks like the one.

  • @pitchpines3851
    @pitchpines3851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hope to see these in the states soon. Great video as always!

  • @chriscodes1
    @chriscodes1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One issue is definitely weight and therefore agility and effect on fatigue. Carrying around an extra 3lbs for the battery for 12 hours straight will definitely be noticeable at the end of the day.

    • @thedarklandsmusic
      @thedarklandsmusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it would build your muscles up... some people say the MS 881 , that's nearly 13kg with the bar, I love the MS881, a proper work out

  • @230e4
    @230e4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Nice video fella's. I have been looking forward to seeing this saw in action. I like that it is built beefier than the smaller battery saws, however one drawback is the weight, batteries are heavy. How does the battery run time compare to tanks of fuel used between the saws?

    • @aresident7745
      @aresident7745 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      notice how they didn't answer you? because they were paid to make this video

    • @jebert34
      @jebert34 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some other demos put the 500 battery around 20 minutes in standard power.

  • @myvidedits
    @myvidedits 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video lads. In your follow up video could you show cutting speed with 1/4 battery power left to see if there is a drop off as the battery gets near to empty? Thanks

  • @MrNotetyme2012
    @MrNotetyme2012 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @warpfire congratulations!!! How's it running after all this time?

  • @ChrisNieves
    @ChrisNieves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t come to terms for a battery saw to replace my ms462cm. Maybe for light pruning but I have a Husqy 545 mk2 for that.

  • @ashtonlindsay-brothers8348
    @ashtonlindsay-brothers8348 ปีที่แล้ว

    The saws just keep getting better and better

  • @WilliamsonRidge
    @WilliamsonRidge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video battery equipment has come a long way fast!

  • @davidroche6973
    @davidroche6973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have to say am new to the chancel and just subscribed as loving the bubbly personalities. Would love to see your top 5 on the M12 range, as an electrician I have slowly hoovered up a radio, pipe slice, solder iron and the 4 piece screwdriver with adaptable heads. Eventually I want the impact and drill, but I need to wait for my old Bosch 12v to die. Whould love to see your top 5 for the M12, meantime I am off to buy a fix tec nut for my makcheater angle grinder

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We will see what we can do David. Thank you for your support 😇

  • @plato5000
    @plato5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice. Wish I had some work I needed it for😁

  • @ODYSSEYdnb
    @ODYSSEYdnb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressed with the 300. I’m waiting on the new top handle though

  • @jaymessmall7745
    @jaymessmall7745 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's one amazing battery powered saw this is an excellent excellent channel keep up to good work guys

  • @mikehoisington6145
    @mikehoisington6145 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video thanks guy's

  • @KamronFultz
    @KamronFultz ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an MSA 220 and have used it against a monster 18in average size trunk tree and it made quick work of it. I can't imagine the sheer power this thing must be able to produce.

  • @kurtdonney356
    @kurtdonney356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great review but one thing that was not discussed was the how long a battery last before the need of a recharge?
    The electric saw may cut quicker but if you have to wait for 2 hours for a battery to charge when you could just refuel the 261 and get back to work.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Video coming soon 👍🏼

    • @seanmartin8007
      @seanmartin8007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you buy a second battery you can swap on and off. Sure it’s more $ but it’s better than messing with carburetor and gas.

    • @CatastrophicNewEngland
      @CatastrophicNewEngland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Where are chainsaws predominantly used? In the woods. Where is there nowhere to charge a battery? In the woods. This is all a marketing gimmick to sell very expensive batteries to people who have been convinced that burning fossil fuel is bad, but haven't been enlightened to how every part in both saws requires lots of oil to mine, refine, manufacture, ship, & charge the batteries.
      If you live off grid and have your own solar, it could be great, though that "eco" canola B&C oil takes an awful lot of diesel to plant, fertilize, spray (glyphosate), harvest, press, package…

    • @kingding8569
      @kingding8569 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s why have have 2 or 3 batteries

    • @BowHunterPPN
      @BowHunterPPN ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kingding8569 Wow. 2-3 batteries to work in the woods? With a minimum 8-hour work day? You need at least 9 of them (assuming that each one actually lasts those 44 minutes - 8 hours minus some breaks for breakfast, cigarette, etc ~ 6.5 hours). So let's count. One chainsaw - £744, plus 9 AP500S batteries - £3465 (£385 each), plus AL301-4 charger - £300. £4509 in total. Stihl MS261 - £924.
      Only at home you can charge the batteries. Trees do not have power sockets. This chainsaw will probably be a good choice only for gardeners.

  • @jacobfurnish7450
    @jacobfurnish7450 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think this would be a nice chunking climbing saw for bigger wood. The problem with gas ones is once you are in a tree. throwing out your shoulder isn't fun and its more dangerous. My boss currently runs a top handle Makita. When its quiet, its much easier to communicate. Battery saws have a lot more advantages in the tree than on the ground (unless you are cutting Y's out of branches all day for a chipper.) But yeah, too expensive at the moment. They need some Tesla batteries in there XD.

    • @skitidet4302
      @skitidet4302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They should add a swivel to the batteries so they are easier to send up to the the climber. I would imagine that these are almost impossible to secure well with rope, I guess you have to send them up in a bucket or you have to send the saw down to your ground crew.

    • @jacobfurnish7450
      @jacobfurnish7450 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@skitidet4302 Yup you send the saw down to the ground crew, then they do a battery swap and then the climber pulls back up the saw.

    • @doingstuffdownunder8208
      @doingstuffdownunder8208 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're excellent for that purpose and Stihl has been making them for a while now. I've been using a MSA161 T since 2015 and it hasn't failed me yet.

  • @markfrench2700
    @markfrench2700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 12:26 you didn't yell out TIMBER as that small vertical branch fell😋 good video guys

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Darn I missed a trick. It was suck a big fell too!

  • @skitidet4302
    @skitidet4302 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still a bit poor in the power to weight and power to cost department, but it's other advantages actually makes it a real competitor. I might actually get one of these if some clients really appreciates me making less noise, but I will miss the singing of the 2 stroke so I will definitely charge them a bit extra for it.

  • @harmaforest
    @harmaforest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hey. Good video!
    Both saws should be tested simultaneously for their battery and tank life, for example by sawing logs of the same thickness.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      100% another video coming soon, please subscribe 👍🏼

    • @williamdonnelly4671
      @williamdonnelly4671 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish for a big plug in saw.#

    • @aresident7745
      @aresident7745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      then time how long it takes to charge a battery/vs how long it takes to fill a tank lol this video is a farce plain and simple lol

    • @verticalchallenger
      @verticalchallenger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You have multiple batteries, just as you wouldn’t only have one tank of gas on-site. Battery swap is much faster than filling a gas tank, actually. As a pro arborist with a fleet of both gas and batt saws, I reach for the batt saws 95% of the time. No farce, just facts.

  • @danielpollard3504
    @danielpollard3504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Definitely worth considering, I love running my 261, the only draw back I can see is the extra weight of the MSA 300

    • @mattvarner1
      @mattvarner1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that electric saw is very close to the weight of a 462 loaded on the scale

    • @skitidet4302
      @skitidet4302 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattvarner1 Yeah, and there's a big increase in power with the MS462, especially since you can port it. It can probably put out close to twice the power with an aggressive porting job.

  • @redgum78
    @redgum78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Battery run time wasn't really mentioned. In similar conditions how much wood would the big battery cut compared to a tank of fuel? Great video- thanks for the comparison.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you Redgum. More videos to come 🤩

    • @sethgehman844
      @sethgehman844 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      up to 44 minutes

  • @LiveFreeOrRIP
    @LiveFreeOrRIP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New Sub!!!! Well done. Im not ready to give up my 261 just yet but saws are an addiction... So yea... Nobody can have just 1 or 2.....

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the sub and support! 1 or 2 is never enough 😂

  • @charlythouvenot1746
    @charlythouvenot1746 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That looks great, if you don't look at the prices....msa300 is too expensive! Ap500s too
    I prefer my ms400c for the same weight, and less money with more power

  • @showdown7512
    @showdown7512 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonder how the battery will handle colder weather?

  • @annaaron3510
    @annaaron3510 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now for something completely different ( thx Monte !) -- life of lithium batts ? What happens to batts in cold ( we're here in lovely Maine U.S.A. ) ? In the "back 40" how many batts do we need when the charge dies ? Love you two lovebirds, butt I love my MS261 circa 2014 for cutting 6-8 cords ( real ones ) per year plus trail clearings. Just changes of chains, bars, plugs, filters, and rotator cuff (sic).

    • @annaaron3510
      @annaaron3510 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Forgot the rim sprocket change on the MS261.....sorry guys.

  • @dannoplug88
    @dannoplug88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid lads, looks a good bit of kit that 👍

  • @outdoorswithlarryrobin
    @outdoorswithlarryrobin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have the MSA220 and the MS180 the same results in our testing 🚜👍🏼🇺🇸

  • @chickenLegs2.0
    @chickenLegs2.0 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are these like for vibrations? In comparison to petrol?

  • @coffincornermusic
    @coffincornermusic ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How long can you saw before replacement of the battery? And does it charg the new battary as fast as emptying the one you use? And what is the lifespan of a battery? Those are my questions with this electrical stuff. But over all I'm really impressed 👌

    • @MrNotetyme2012
      @MrNotetyme2012 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Unfortunately, no one ever answers those specific questions in these videos...

    • @verticalchallenger
      @verticalchallenger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can charge them as fast as you use them in most cases. I run 3 batts and have continuous power all day. Today was remote so I charged one batt with a small, quiet suitcase generator but we’re normally in urban spaces with outlets🙌🏾

  • @dwaynebagby4845
    @dwaynebagby4845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are great , thanks

  • @hairychainsaw2629
    @hairychainsaw2629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice video. I've been running an MSA200c with AP300 batteries as a 'garden saw' (basically replaces what my Silky used to do). The bigger saws look great, but I would be really interested in what the run time is, as you can't always rely on somewhere to charge-up. I would also be interested in a cost comparison, ie MSA 300 with charger and AP300 battery vs MS261.

    • @SjoerdV83
      @SjoerdV83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You have to use the ap500s batteries to run the msa300 at top power. With the ap300 batteries it will only run on eco mode. Keep that in mind. Also the battery backpack will run the msa300 only in eco mode.

    • @jakalestan5704
      @jakalestan5704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      after a quick search it seems that MS261 (680GBP) is round 2/3 of the price for MSA 300 + AP 500 + charger (1060GBP)

    • @malizeka13
      @malizeka13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which oil you buy for MSA 220 ?

  • @adamcross652
    @adamcross652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We've got one of the smaller stihl battery saws and the other weekend it did 4 hours of light cutting on battery

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s awesome Adam. With this one it will only take you 2 hours 😉

  • @2point..0
    @2point..0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOVE the ele model!!!

  • @Big_Johns
    @Big_Johns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, where was the intro or did I miss it all together??
    Josh don't be drooling on the scales. 😲
    Nice saw but for me fuel is not dead yet.
    P.S. I'm ready to see another Hayes mower demolition derby. 👍

  • @leestallings6212
    @leestallings6212 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great video, very informative.

  • @SamuraiSam91
    @SamuraiSam91 ปีที่แล้ว

    My concern is out working in the middle of nowhere forestry, how long my battery lasts and how many batteries I'd need to have with me for a day's work vs the cost of 1 battery

  • @marktcso
    @marktcso 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cuts per battery charge? How long does it take to charge? Thanks guys, great videos

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      More vids to come. Make sure you subscribe 🤩

  • @the_bloke_that_cuts_the_grass
    @the_bloke_that_cuts_the_grass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm still very old school and so tend to think if it ain't noisy it ain't powerful but this was an excellent comparison video. I wonder where the tree huggers sit with sawing down trees with an electric saw? Does one cancel out the other 😂

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is very true Al. Probably still get someone shouting out “you have ruined everything for us” 😂😂

  • @markatkinson9963
    @markatkinson9963 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool saw. Wish I could see one soon.

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope you get to see one soon Mark 👍🏼

  • @asitturnsout7108
    @asitturnsout7108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    nice to see some more powerful battery saws coming up. I love my 200c

  • @tinkeringtaylor3053
    @tinkeringtaylor3053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice bit of kit and very intresting review,was all the cuts done on one full battery and what was the charge like after the cutting (would not have any trouble cutting cucumbers then @John Klem )🤣🤣

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahhaha 😂 yeah all fully charged thank you Nev 😎

  • @KainKustomGarage
    @KainKustomGarage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting Indeed, didn't know the Batt saw was that powerful!

  • @terrygreen6088
    @terrygreen6088 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what I like to know is how many cuts can you make on a tank of fuel and how many on a battery and how would it compair over 5 years when the battery's lose their power

  • @dwainetyncompany
    @dwainetyncompany 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nothing beats the sound and the sheer elegance of traditional petrol saws.
    I run only Stihl motomix in my ms261 and I get double the cut time and the saw just purrs. Motomix is good for what, three years on shelf life?
    Electric is nice, convenient, reliable and clean.
    But you won't ever rid humanity of the desire for those smelly good fumes and loud noises. Just no way!

    • @buckeye_bear6130
      @buckeye_bear6130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Motomix is good for 2 years after opening the container. Definitely improves performance but also very pricey. A worthy substitute is high octane Ethanol free fuel mixed with Stihl premium 2 stroke. Lucky for me I have a place close by that has 90 octane E-free fuel and the saws love it (261 and 400) 👍🏼

    • @Horsecockbadger
      @Horsecockbadger ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

  • @johnt6949
    @johnt6949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    like the idea but for very ocasional use ? i supose its the same argument battery not used for a long time and fuel not used for a long time

  • @jasonmcmillan4373
    @jasonmcmillan4373 ปีที่แล้ว

    A quick check of the Stihl Australia website seems to indicate that we can't get the MSA300, the MSA220 is as high as it goes as far as battery chainsaws available to Australians.

  • @volkerball3
    @volkerball3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow.... Amazing and Impressive.
    I don't sat that the fuel chainsaws will dead ... Mainly not in the forsts but Battery Saws will have some oppurtunities at the houseworks and non forest tree cuts...

  • @kristincichosz6304
    @kristincichosz6304 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think battery will replace gas one day but I am wondering the difference of when your battery dies you have to wait a hour or two for it to charge instead of just pouring some gas into the tank and the spare battery's are expensive also the difference of how long the battery lasts and how temperature would affect it but still a great review but I am not in the budget for a new saw when I already have a 261

  • @julianalderson3938
    @julianalderson3938 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just somethin bout electric saws. Chain seems to argue if on an angle. Not sure sproket or why, just found that. Looks good cheers

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah the earlier one certainly did, the newer ones seem a lot smother 👌🏽

  • @barrybrown4869
    @barrybrown4869 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long does the battery take to charge from a vehicle?

  • @allgood6535
    @allgood6535 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pushing forward a bit more on the 300 on last test

  • @csd9173
    @csd9173 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pretty sad, you didn't mentioned the battery time. Some other youtubers tested the 500 at max Power and the battery did not passed the 10min....
    Nevertheless great video 🤗🖒

    • @CatastrophicNewEngland
      @CatastrophicNewEngland 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So for a full day's work in the woods, you'd need what, 10 grand in batteries? Or... one medium can of gas. I've also found that listed battery cycle life ratings are grossly exaggerated. Especially in high current draw/fast charge situations.

  • @anthonyjensen3483
    @anthonyjensen3483 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How does it do in snow / cold and wet ?

  • @stevesedgwick5789
    @stevesedgwick5789 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All that was missing was a price comparison and how much a spare battery will cost

  • @1071Halil1453
    @1071Halil1453 ปีที่แล้ว

    husqwarna mı iyi yoksa stıhl mi daha iyi dostum? yardımcı olursan sevinirim

  • @relaxingnature2617
    @relaxingnature2617 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the msa 140 ..its fantastic

  • @jamamoreno5497
    @jamamoreno5497 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eficacia y ponencia en la sierra eléctrica, además que el encendido es instantáneo aunque este meses parada.

  • @halfbakednbearded4996
    @halfbakednbearded4996 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greta video guys. Exactly what I needed to know.

  • @harlanborders943
    @harlanborders943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s fast but what happens in cold weather to the battery will it still perform the same

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great question Harlan. Usage in colder condition should not make to much difference but storage is a whole different issue.

  • @milesl8493
    @milesl8493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome review on the chainsaw!
    The chainsaw looks nice!

  • @DJ-SPARKY-REACH-ON-AIR
    @DJ-SPARKY-REACH-ON-AIR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice video battery good but when ur of grid and sola dont charge your battery's up then you need good old petrol chainsaw with then come out and save the day

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Battery saws ain’t no good without power hey Sparky 👍🏼 but then I guess petrol saws ain’t no good without petrol 😂😂

  • @CasualRifleman
    @CasualRifleman ปีที่แล้ว

    4:30 If the sprocket diameter is greater than the wheel on the rpm meter your reading will be off. I think you need to hold the meter on the end of the output shaft.

  • @lamarr1986
    @lamarr1986 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this cross analysis of the two saws, I still think for practicality the 261 wins.

  • @donmayberryjrsOPE
    @donmayberryjrsOPE ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll say that we all need to be extra careful while using any battery saw because the noise just isn't there. You know, the typical saw noise that keeps us awake!

  • @GreggCesaroni
    @GreggCesaroni ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressive yes. Practical, no. If another hurricane Ian ripped through Florida, I don't think it would work. Especially when the power is still out to charge the battery. I got stuck with an electric chainsaw and had to bring my generator along but I was running out of battery faster than they could charge. I wanted a 362 but couldn't find one anywhere. Luckily I was able to get a 261 (the only one within a 50 mile radius after the storm) with a 20 inch bar and finished the job. I was able to cut through 16-18 inch logs with it. Next saw I get will probably be the 881. Just because lol

  • @nabanlyngdoh5436
    @nabanlyngdoh5436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow amazing👍👍😍.... Actually can't afford one.. Hope one day..

    • @MachineryNation
      @MachineryNation  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep saving, it will be worth it 🤩

  • @adamantonyforster172
    @adamantonyforster172 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys can you do a hand arm vibration test (HAVS)

  • @zackhaas3267
    @zackhaas3267 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heat exclusively with wood, so a trip to the woods to cut firewood is an all day thing. Have both a gas saw and a 40v battery saw with 3 batteries. The 40v has plenty of power and cuts great, but it has its place, and that is as a backup in the woods and for when I'm processing my logs once back home. Having to depend solely on batteries when you need a full day of cutting is impossible without having the ability to charge in the woods. Taking a can of premix gas is much easier and a lot more reliable. The other problem with the batteries is they are super expensive, and you can probably only expect 2-3 years out of them before having to replace at $100++ each. A replacement carburetor is $50 maybe and should last many years if cared for properly. Gas will NEVER go away, but each has its place and it's use. For someone who just needs to clean up the occasional storm debris, or cut one pickup full of wood for supplementary heating, battery is great, but for someone who needs to spend all day cutting without the worry of charging, gas is still the obvious choice.

  • @JustFishing1489
    @JustFishing1489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love my 20” dewalt, but the Stihl looks cool.

  • @jackylsmith8138
    @jackylsmith8138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Compare how long it will cut compared to the gas saw. One tank of gas vs one charge. Gas will destroy it. For cutting up 1 small tree it might work, but if your cutting firewood stick with gas power.

  • @hossdunn8727
    @hossdunn8727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very impressive saw great video men

  • @westernman3290
    @westernman3290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how everyone be like “you don’t have to pay for petrol” SURE it’s like $600 dollars more which is equivalent to buying 150 gallons of gas, but you don’t have to pay for electricity sooo… wait, you do 😮

  • @1920hunter
    @1920hunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing unit