Actually you would be amazed how many guild didnt accept my application because i just answered all their questions without writing my life story in there... "too minimalistic, declined" and its not like i try to join realm first guilds, i look for guild which would clear hc.
Yeah I was considering joining a guild once that seemed normal. They seemed like they weren't going for hardcore mode, and then I got to the app. They wanted specifics about prior raiding experience (seems legit), availability with reasons for not being available (what? mofuggers I checked your raid schedule and if it didn't line up why would I apply), and the final straw was a linked SpeedTest run. I about lost my poop on that part. Personally I don't want to give someone a look at my IP address EVER, even when I'm using my standard dynamic one, but I darn sure don't want some dillweed I don't know to have my static IP address (yeah I do have one) because I forgot to change my network settings before running this thing. I mean seriously WTF? WHY? Why would you need that for ANY guild let alone a guild that wasn't going for super duper hardcore world first runs?
+Da Voodoo To be fair, at that point it shows more lack of effort than them not knowing enough about you. If you are the kind of guy that wouldn't even bother about spending 10 minutes to write an application, how can they expect you to do your research on your class or encounters?
This actually helped me a lot. I have low self confidence issues and I think no one will like me if I can't make them laugh, and I'm constantly thinking I'm doing horribly. No one has said I'm bad, but I'm my own worst critic.
Totally agree! And some people still don't think graphical work & design is a job and should be paid for, even if we can clearly see the results of it. Even under Preach's videos I've seen someone acting like this. "Art, design? So he does it for free, right?" Tsk.
I have to say it once more and I'll keep doing it. Amazing work you two and especially Ghost, him joining the channel really let you guys step it up big time.
My guild is awesome it's very casual we've only done heroic nightmare so far but whenever we get a white because someone was screwing around are a great leader will write a bad fanfiction about the people who messed up the raid and then make them read it out loud to everyone it and then we end up laughing it off and then we go back every pot up and try again
I took your advice and finally joined a nice and active guild. My WoW experience has been so positive since then. I have always struggled with anxiety so I went with a guild who had some members who were aware of that, and I am so glad I did that! I am so glad I took your advice. Even when I am not the happiest with the game itself at times, playing along with a guild has made it fun all the same.
Great video. A few comments from my own experience, when I applied and join what was at the time the top horde raiding guild on my server, during BC. I actually believed all of these things about raiding guild (except for 2). But I wanted to experience raiding, so I figured I would bite to bullet and actually try it out. 5) The guild leader was awesome. He let everyone know that he had full confidence in them. When there was a wipe, he asked what happened (no yelling) because he wanted to fix things. The only time we heard any "negative" emotion from him is if someone really did something completely newbish. Then you just heard him whisper to himself (over vent for everyone to hear) "f*ck me", followed by "Rez up and do it again". The fact that he trusted us all, if you had fucked up, that "f*ck me" did hurt a lot more than yelling. So next time don't stand in the fire... 4) The application is not only to see if you are good for the guild, but if the guild is good for you. You should have seen the guilds I did not apply to: "Our vent is not for kids. Once a member described a sexual encounter that involved blood and vomit...." It may be just me, but that was not the kind of stuff I want to hear when I am raiding. So I did not apply. 3) I got upgrades throughout my first raids. Ok, so I had to wait a while for my Dragonspine Trophy (look it up kids). But who cares? I had plenty of other upgrades that improved my character greatly in the mean time. 2) If you are in the right guild, with compatible people, you won't have to "act" social all the time. It will come naturally as you will soon have plenty of friends. 1)I fucked up so much on my first raid. I was a nice corpse for most of the Gruul fight, and even managed to die on Loot Reaver. At the end of the raid, I said to the assistant that had recruited me that I was sorry and that I was really nervous during the raid. He just said "You did fine. You worry too much"
2:53 "Do you have a microphone?" "No, not right now, I will be looking in the investment of a desk mic though." Ghost says as he speaks into the microphone.
5 Guild Truths: 5, The older the guild you join the less likely you'll be part of the revered inner circle. You might as well make your own guild, recruit until you get a full raid group then never let anyone in. 4, Chances are that the guild is created by some IRL friends, and officer chat is almost exclusively about them talking about their personal lives. Everyone else is secondary, especially when one of the "bros" is a dick but won't get removed because "he's one of us". 3, Every time you join a guild you're exposed to IRL RNG, in the sense that it might be a good one, it might be a bad one. You cannot know without spending some time with the guild. Sometimes it's minutes of seeing their chat, sometimes it's a month or so of hopeful but ultimately fruitless thumb-twiddling. 2, However shitty guilds can be, they will still forever be more reliable than pugs. Sure, we all had awesome pugs but usually you avoid it if you can. 1, Guilds are an obligatory aspect of lategame PvE content, meaning that you're in essence gambling a lot of time and money on getting into a good guild and having a good experience. Therefore, you might enjoy what the game has to offer but you will be forever denied it by IRL RNG.
I gotta say, the content you guys have put out since Ande joined the team full time, is SO much better than the old content. Not that it wasn't good before, it certainly was! But you guys just really seem to compliment eachother so well, and it shows in the content. Also, you guys are fucking hilarious together!
Thanks Preach your videos are really great and i wish i'd seen them a few months ago when i started playing. I'm new to WoW and got invited to join a guild early on after running a random dungeon with the leader while leveling. It seemed like a cool group and they were helpful and generous and friendly and it felt like i had a family of sorts in WoW. TWO MONTHS later, when i've been on almost every single day participating in guild chat and activities, i'm whispered one night by the guild leader asking me to remind him all my alt names (all were in the guild, as was common in that guild). No problem; i know he keeps lists. Next thing i know he's whispering that he's kicking me no particular reason he can identify just doesn't think our personalities are compatible. He didn't ask me to leave, and he didn't give any tangible reasons, he just kicked me. It was so stupid and so stupidly done that I very nearly quit wow after that. So for those thinking about venturing into a guild for the first time, let me offer you just a few points of advice i've learned after my experience with the sociopath in that first guild: 1) Don't join a guild named after the leader. There are some ego issues here that i don't think really need explanation. 2) If the leader periodically goes through and purges a bunch of people from the guild, find out what the reason is. If membership is subject to capricious or unspecified rules you're not going to be safe. 3) Don't get too attached to your guild. Some people don't really care, but others do and it's dangerous with something as arbitrary as a guild.
I tend to do the exact opposite of 7:04 when I join a new guild, I just like to shut the fuck up and play. In the past, people have always made me feel weird for not talking much, thank you for showing me that I am normal.
I've literally just joined a new guild and have my first trial tomorrow, nervous but excited to finally be in a guild that's at my skill level and not wiping on normal tree!
@@wackantheduck6883 Wow this is a throwback! There were two guilds that I joined in Legion, I think this was the second one. They lasted a tier, had an internal meltdown because it turned out the GM and her lackey were mental and more than half of us went on to form another guild that’s still going today. We usually cleared HC and couldn’t move into mythic as it was a fairly casual environment and couldn’t always make up the 20 decent players required. I don’t play anymore, came back in BFA for a bit, but bounced off of 8.3 and couldn’t get into Shadowlands for similar reasons and irl changes. Still got friends that raid with them though!
I'm starting to think I'm extremely lucky... I've been raiding with the same guild for 12 years now, our core is a tight knit group of friends, who enjoy playing games together, none of us knew each other when we started playing WoW, now we meet IRL many times a year, some of us have met their girlfriends, boyfriends, wives and husbands through the guild etc, and we're far from hardcore, we're focusing on HC raiding mostly, with plans on doing mythic once we're comfortable stepping into it. We've had many, many many members in our guild over the years, most have left for more hardcore guilds, or stopped playing, but no one has ever left because of bad experience with us, I think anyway. We've grown so comfortable with each other that it's really hard for me to see how my WoW life would be without my guild. It's just... always been there it seems. I don't know why I went on this rant tbh, maybe to tell ppl that there are nice guilds out there, maybe just to gloat about my good fortune, who knows.
Ok, so my situation is as follows: no mic, don't want a mic. Also, WoW is a low priority for me and frequently gets dropped from my routine because I just have more important stuff to do. Given these facts, I've come to believe that a "real" guild is just not something I can have, at any level of play. The closest I can come is what you call "cesspool" guilds. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong, as someone who has dropped in and out of a lot of guilds there is always a spot for someone who might want jsut put a potion in the guild bank. Hell if you sign up as a casual for raiding guilds is a very easy app process since you don't have any expectations or leave any down. Just look at G chat and think of it as a means that when your on ask if anyone in G chat has alts and would like to do what you want to do or join up in a place higher than pug caliber of people who can do stuff with again. Hell in a mythic guild I was in the casuals would give the raiders better prices on consumables and enchants as a means to make tons of gold and trade it for runs. If you can type and not expect the world as a casual and take a few chances to do things, you can type in chat and just listen in voice coms. Even some big raiding guilds the amount of support needed to jsut have tons of of raid food was all given by people who can't make it to raid time but wanted to help in some little way, jsut don't forget to say GL if you do happen to get online on raid time always makes you look good XD.
if you want to raid, then yeah, it would be quite difficult, maybe impossible, to find a decent guild. mic is only required so you can call out game specific stuff like "cant soak", "will interrupt next", "need external cd", etc... no need to be social, or even say hello or goodbye... and specific time commitment is a trade off for hours of waiting in queues or hours of waiting for healer replacements after every wipe. basically, do you want to clear your wednesday and thursday evening schedule, log inboth days at 19:30 and raid = fight bosses almost non stop, from 20:00 to 23:00, or do you want to log in whenever you feel like it, spend 30 minutes signing up for pugs, another 15 minutes waiting for everyone to gather, and then 10-20 minutes of waiting for new people after each wipe, or everytime a healer has to leave? however if you just want a guild to have some people to talk to, or to run dungeons with, or whatever else, when you do find some time to play wow, then just listen to what sayuameangkis is saying.
Man I gotta ask, this is the second video of yours that I've seen that shield. (On your wall about 7:15 in). Where, if I may ask, did you get that? Or did you make it?
Recently joined my first raiding guild at the beginning of Legion. Now 6/7H and it feels awesome to be able to do some type of progression! Even if its at a lower level.
I joined a guild and started emerald nightmare raiding. About 3 weeks later the raid leader started a coup and took 90% of the raid team to form a new guild. I never catch a break.
In guild chat today someone said his friend in a "mythic" raid guild had a GM that was kicking people if they didn't show up to the raid fully enchanted. He also said that they were only 2/7H, not hard to see why.
I joined a guild several years ago that I was told that it wasn't a raid guild. Shortly after I joined, like 3 months, the GM and the officers decided they wanted to raid and expected everyone in the guild to be available at their beck and call when they wanted to raid. It was only after I never signed up for any of the guild raids, that I had a talk with the GM about why I wasn't signing up for the guild raids. I worked nights and I couldn't devote my time just before I had to work to raid just for them. I brought up that I wasn't told it was a raid guild when I joined, and the GM told me it wasn't a raiding guild. I then asked where the issue was that I didn't sign up. And she said that it was more of an issue of me not being team player. I said that I would be happy to sign up on the days I didn't work, and I asked if the raid days could be moved to the weekends. And I was told that they wouldn't do that for just one person. I told the GM that it's funny how when they want something from someone they demand that person rearrange their whole out of game life just to accommodate the people in a video game, but when a person needs something, they couldn't be bothered to accommodate them. Yeah I was promptly removed from the guild after I told them there was no way I was going to change my life outside of WoW so that they could get a few pieces of game loot. Yeah! I was the one that wasn't a team player in that guild!
5:25 Reminds me of last weeks mythix raid. My raid leader took a piece of loot that was a non upgrade, minus a single fucking socket, which csn now be easily farmed in this expansion, when it was a 15 ilvl upgrade for me... feels bad.man!
Watched this video a week ago, put in an application to the #4 raiding guild on WrA. Got accepted, got to do my first mythic raid (got loot) and the GM is helping me set up my Weakauras/TellMeWhen. Thank you Preacher.
I've found when I join a new guild, as long as their policy includes giving loot to new members, you can usually get geared up pretty quick. What happens is, even if you come in with 0 DKP, bottom of the DSK list, or you're only allowed to /roll for gear that any other members have rolled on, there's going to be a lot of pieces that either everyone who is eligible already has, or doesn't want. You might be getting a lot of scraps, but if you're in a good guild, there's plenty of scraps that will catch you up quick.
#1 reminds me of why I left a guild at the end of Cata. We were doing the ooze boss in Dragonsoul where you need to use only big heals, because when you heal someone 5 times they explode. I was watching the other healers' cast bars to figure out why we kept blowing up, and saw one of them using his efficient heal. I kept saying "use your big heals" "only use your biggest heals". Finally, he goes "I am using my big heals" and I yelled "YOU'RE USING NOURISH!" Well, after the raid I got talked to by our GM, and he said he wanted to make sure that I didn't yell at anyone again. I said, if nobody screws up that bad and lies about it, I won't have to yell. But he said he wanted to know what I would do to make sure I didn't yell at anyone again, so I left the guild.
The last point describes me well, spent most of my time worrying about making mistakes or even trying to attempt anything to make progress. Funny how I am always highly nervous to go do stuff on my own then when I finally do I say: "Well.....what was I worrying for?"
I got hella lucky, found a guild through trade chat that was looking to do mythic progression..and those usually struggle on normal but just downed mythic nythendra yesterday and going strong
Also check the guild recruitment forums and server forums for your / server you are willing to Xfer too. Also there is a weekly guild recruitment redit thread. Don't get too stressed about it you will find something man and Good Luck!!!
i haven't done much raiding after recently returning to the game after a long hiatus. i was under the impression everyone did personal loot now? is there an advantage to not doing personal?
I once was playing at a level where I was considered for a spot in a top 500 guild. I had to decline when it came out that I would be expected to take vacation or even quit my job if needed to play 18 hours during progression pushes.
I was genuinely surprised when my guild brought me on a mythic dungeon without even asking my item level, and when I mentioned that it was a lot lower than what pugs were after they laughed it off. I wasn't expecting that.
You know, I took your (and others') advice, I was always one of those guys going in enormous social guilds doing pugs all expansion long. A few weeks ago I searched the forums for a nice guild. I talked to some officers and now I'm part of a nice dutch raiding guild doing heroics every wednesday and thursday evening (we're 6/7 atm.). Can't remember ever having so much fun in an MMO. The reason I never did this before is because I thought all guilds were super demanding with 0 room for mistakes but surprisingly everyone is really friendly and gearing is far less time consuming than with pugs.
my guild kept asking me to switch to outlaw from sub to do more dps over and over, next raid they said they didn't need me because it was a dps loss. so I had to gquit :,( I'm not joining any other raiding or serious guild ever again. I'm going to lfr this expansion Update: I did find a guild who gave me a raid spot, but that was after i rerolled demo lock :) now my deeps aren't shit nomore
join a guild with better people then? defend your choice to play sub instead of outlaw? play sub to the fullest so that you aren't a burden to your raid because you are underperforming?
If you're guild drops you because of your spec, you shouldn't be in that guild. My guild wanted me to switch to boom to do more DPS, and I told them to fuck off, and now I get to play feral full time with them
nice vid it really healped me i just joined a guild and have ben really nervus as weather i would make it past the trial and it has really gotten rid of the nerves
I remember a guild I had been in for a long time, since the end of MoP, always had the same 10 person raid group and never accepted anyone else despite the guild having over 900 members. For a while I didn't care, I didn't even raid so why would I? But when Legion launched I decided I wanted to try raiding and other end game content that wasn't just doing LFR every week working towards a legendary that I'd never actually use the active on myself and so when mythic dungeons were first put out a couple guildies and I went to do mythic HoV, around that time the gear was all ilvl 840 or so and the average ilvl was 825, and after over 2 hours of wiping on a mix of Hymdall and Odyn we finally completed the dungeon and got the guild the Halls of Valor guild run achievement, shortly afterwards myself and the other two guildies were kicked from the guild with no reason given. Now, I spit on my old GM every time I see him in Dalaran, as petty as that may seem.
Haha jokes on you cause I logged onto WoW today only to see the guild MoTD as "Was fun, officers are out" and realize that the GM and almost all the officers /gquit-ed. The new GM is a level 100 DK who hasn't logged on in over a month and is still in his Garrison from WoD. RIP guild.
Just More Like This Please. awesome work guys so bloody funny and true too. and get that bloke who looks like Ghost back in for some more interviews he was well funny.
I mean, that's kind of going back to the older "how to pick your class" videos: Warrior should be your class if you like Fury and Arms, not one or the other.
+Arachnofiend I still think that's bullshit except for serious progression guilds. If I don't want to tank, I'm not gonna too. If I despise Arms, I'm not gonna play it.
Bahaha... your fake application/interview is actually true to life. Swear to god, that is actually real experiences I have had dozens of times. Dozens.
@Preach Gaming how about a video on how to go about finding a guild? The server forums for the battlegroup I'm in are pretty much dead and the in game guild recruitment system is a joke. Adverts such as 'We're an active guild looking to recruit players for MOP' are common place as are ads from guilds with just 1 player. Still I guess there's always Trade chat ;)
Back when I still played my guild was literally the best maybe not in the sense we were hardcore mythic raiders or anything like that but because of the community. One of the GM's was literally my other mom and she helped through a lot of day to day things that I didn't necessarily feel comfortable bringing up with my parents.
My only gripe with joining a new guild now is starting over with new people and so on. I raided for like 5 years with many of the same people. It just doesn't feel the same joining a whole new one.
correct me if I am wrong, but isn't number 3 perfectly supported by a dkp system? which you called one of the most scumbag things in wow in an earlier video? Whats going on?
But how do you find a good active semi-serious guild? Last time i was in a serious guild and did any real raiding was in Cata... i'm a little rusty. I just want a guild with some interesting conversations in the chat and some guys to do Mythic Dungeons with. How do i search for that? Anyone know of such a guild on Twisting Nether?
Been playing this game for 10 years and there seems to be a evolved version of number 5. Not raging GM's per say, the ones I have had experienced with in the past (and am currently) are GM's who don't rage at you for making a mistake but call you out in a way that throws a spotlight on you and makes you feel like a complete idiot which can give you the fear of rule number 1. They use passive aggressive behavior which to me does more damage than the raging examples shown in this video. Honestly I would take the rager any day. I have played with many kinds of people in my WoW career, been in casual, elitist, social, nerdy, awkward, and even tried out a RP guild for a brief time and in all my experiences you can't have a positive without a negative to balance. You can have good gear but be grouped with assholes. You can play with the most friendly people you'll ever meet in a MMO but when it comes to raid/dungeon mechanics it's like herding blind sheep through an earthquake. Very very rarely you will meet people with both positives and when you do, you're friends for life. I still talk/play with mine from time to time. Call my next thing pessimism or negative I call it realism. (Based on my experiences) Nice guys do finish last in MOST situations. Being nice is obviously a choice or just second nature to some and people will prey on it; use it and then toss you aside when it's all said and done. You can be outgoing and friendly; offering flasks/potions to people that need them for one reason or another. Tank/heal/DPS a dungeon that you don't need but will do it because some friend(s)/guildie(s) need it for a quest or particular item which is fine but then when the time comes where you want to do something that can benefit you in any way or because you need it for a quest or progression you then get called out for being selfish, only out for yourself etc. Three things happen here: You're humble and step down which causes the cycle to continue, you step up (assertively) and get called out regardless which sparks drama either getting you ganged up on, demoted or even Gkicked. Lastly you are sick of it and call them out on the spot where responses vary from childish insults all the way to instantly Gkicked with whispers of more insults to follow. Take this the way you want. There are always ups and downs. I can even admit that with all my experiences over the years some things tend to latch on and not let go which can vary from judgemental, elitist attitude, lack of patience and even stereotypical prejudice. I stay away from LFR's like the plague due to people that you meet there. I get impatient with people who make the same mistake without correction. I even bash myself when I raid and make mistakes. I play a paladin tank and mage DPS. I flat out refuse to tank any mythic+ above 5 on my paladin just out of fear of not getting 3 chests. I won't go over mythic 10 on my mage and in some cases won't do them at all. In conclusion, when you play a game be you and when setting a goal be that from farming transmogs, raiding, PvPing, questing, or just socializing form a compromise. Also like Preach said, there is always a reason for something so be patient. Cheers.
You just literally wrote my post. im scrolling through this whole page of crying/cancer and yours was the bright shining star that said "hey hannah, holy shit, that's you!". anyhoo..my nerdgasm is over now. legit post tho.
I read the title wrong at first i thought it was misconceptions of the top 5 guilds. On another note, few years back i had convinced a friend to play WoW he was having fun exploring and leveling his character. After a few weeks though he told me how bored he had gotten soloing everything. i asked about his guild, he said he would never join one. apparently the word "guild" in warcraft to him equaled you must show up to every raid 5 nights a week and preform no matter your level or experience. I had was trying to convince him otherwise, but that was a losing battle.
That interview. Fucking gold, well played boys.
Yeah so f*cking funny
Actually you would be amazed how many guild didnt accept my application because i just answered all their questions without writing my life story in there...
"too minimalistic, declined"
and its not like i try to join realm first guilds, i look for guild which would clear hc.
fucking hell; awesome!! Ghosty looks crisp
Yeah I was considering joining a guild once that seemed normal. They seemed like they weren't going for hardcore mode, and then I got to the app. They wanted specifics about prior raiding experience (seems legit), availability with reasons for not being available (what? mofuggers I checked your raid schedule and if it didn't line up why would I apply), and the final straw was a linked SpeedTest run. I about lost my poop on that part. Personally I don't want to give someone a look at my IP address EVER, even when I'm using my standard dynamic one, but I darn sure don't want some dillweed I don't know to have my static IP address (yeah I do have one) because I forgot to change my network settings before running this thing. I mean seriously WTF? WHY? Why would you need that for ANY guild let alone a guild that wasn't going for super duper hardcore world first runs?
+Da Voodoo
To be fair, at that point it shows more lack of effort than them not knowing enough about you. If you are the kind of guy that wouldn't even bother about spending 10 minutes to write an application, how can they expect you to do your research on your class or encounters?
This actually helped me a lot. I have low self confidence issues and I think no one will like me if I can't make them laugh, and I'm constantly thinking I'm doing horribly. No one has said I'm bad, but I'm my own worst critic.
I dont want to leave my old guild in hope that one day an old guildie will come online
Add him to friends and you'll see him come online whatever guild you're in.
sorted :P
I think he means that he's in a dead guild hoping ANYONE will come online
that's super depressing man.
damn Judit
All around me aren't familiar faces
The video improvement since Ghosty joining is mindblowing. Soooo good.
I think I said that under every video since he started working with him, it's really amazing.
Totally agree!
And some people still don't think graphical work & design is a job and should be paid for, even if we can clearly see the results of it. Even under Preach's videos I've seen someone acting like this. "Art, design? So he does it for free, right?" Tsk.
Preach just eating that tail lash on dragons like a boss! Nice!
5:28
The tank should spin the boss before I have to move out of my rune, m8.
I have to say it once more and I'll keep doing it. Amazing work you two and especially Ghost, him joining the channel really let you guys step it up big time.
Is ghosty a lefty?
Also, getting better is the best part of raiding with a guild.
yup
Lefties unite!
Hm, mine pulls to the right
Are you also left-leaning politics?
That is why your so sinister!
Oh my fucking god top 5 are finally back with the awesome background music!
My guild is awesome it's very casual we've only done heroic nightmare so far but whenever we get a white because someone was screwing around are a great leader will write a bad fanfiction about the people who messed up the raid and then make them read it out loud to everyone it and then we end up laughing it off and then we go back every pot up and try again
wipe*
Lol, love the idea of reading out the way you fucked up in bad fan fiction XD
thumbs up for Ghosty's star appearance
YES! I love this style of video, with that background music and humor and whatever. Preach!
Honesty i've been watching your vids for years now and the quality keeps on improving you nailed this one absolutely nailed it GG WP!
Ghostys hair has me so TRIGGERED
I took your advice and finally joined a nice and active guild. My WoW experience has been so positive since then. I have always struggled with anxiety so I went with a guild who had some members who were aware of that, and I am so glad I did that! I am so glad I took your advice. Even when I am not the happiest with the game itself at times, playing along with a guild has made it fun all the same.
Preach interviewing Ghost was fucking hilarious. I'm on a train so had to contain my laughter.
That Interview scene though!! Hilarious.
Like the sketches very much. Especially the last one.
Lmao knife threat was perfect fam
What an awesome video! That really helped me out a whole lot! Thank you, Mike
Thanks Preach! I wish everyone could watch these last 2 videos!
Can we get a link to that rage video you had at 0:46? I love to listen to a good rage every now and then.
Great video. A few comments from my own experience, when I applied and join what was at the time the top horde raiding guild on my server, during BC. I actually believed all of these things about raiding guild (except for 2). But I wanted to experience raiding, so I figured I would bite to bullet and actually try it out.
5) The guild leader was awesome. He let everyone know that he had full confidence in them. When there was a wipe, he asked what happened (no yelling) because he wanted to fix things. The only time we heard any "negative" emotion from him is if someone really did something completely newbish. Then you just heard him whisper to himself (over vent for everyone to hear) "f*ck me", followed by "Rez up and do it again". The fact that he trusted us all, if you had fucked up, that "f*ck me" did hurt a lot more than yelling. So next time don't stand in the fire...
4) The application is not only to see if you are good for the guild, but if the guild is good for you. You should have seen the guilds I did not apply to: "Our vent is not for kids. Once a member described a sexual encounter that involved blood and vomit...." It may be just me, but that was not the kind of stuff I want to hear when I am raiding. So I did not apply.
3) I got upgrades throughout my first raids. Ok, so I had to wait a while for my Dragonspine Trophy (look it up kids). But who cares? I had plenty of other upgrades that improved my character greatly in the mean time.
2) If you are in the right guild, with compatible people, you won't have to "act" social all the time. It will come naturally as you will soon have plenty of friends.
1)I fucked up so much on my first raid. I was a nice corpse for most of the Gruul fight, and even managed to die on Loot Reaver. At the end of the raid, I said to the assistant that had recruited me that I was sorry and that I was really nervous during the raid. He just said "You did fine. You worry too much"
2:53 "Do you have a microphone?" "No, not right now, I will be looking in the investment of a desk mic though." Ghost says as he speaks into the microphone.
5 Guild Truths:
5, The older the guild you join the less likely you'll be part of the revered inner circle. You might as well make your own guild, recruit until you get a full raid group then never let anyone in.
4, Chances are that the guild is created by some IRL friends, and officer chat is almost exclusively about them talking about their personal lives. Everyone else is secondary, especially when one of the "bros" is a dick but won't get removed because "he's one of us".
3, Every time you join a guild you're exposed to IRL RNG, in the sense that it might be a good one, it might be a bad one. You cannot know without spending some time with the guild. Sometimes it's minutes of seeing their chat, sometimes it's a month or so of hopeful but ultimately fruitless thumb-twiddling.
2, However shitty guilds can be, they will still forever be more reliable than pugs. Sure, we all had awesome pugs but usually you avoid it if you can.
1, Guilds are an obligatory aspect of lategame PvE content, meaning that you're in essence gambling a lot of time and money on getting into a good guild and having a good experience. Therefore, you might enjoy what the game has to offer but you will be forever denied it by IRL RNG.
I gotta say, the content you guys have put out since Ande joined the team full time, is SO much better than the old content. Not that it wasn't good before, it certainly was! But you guys just really seem to compliment eachother so well, and it shows in the content. Also, you guys are fucking hilarious together!
Thanks Preach your videos are really great and i wish i'd seen them a few months ago when i started playing.
I'm new to WoW and got invited to join a guild early on after running a random dungeon with the leader while leveling. It seemed like a cool group and they were helpful and generous and friendly and it felt like i had a family of sorts in WoW. TWO MONTHS later, when i've been on almost every single day participating in guild chat and activities, i'm whispered one night by the guild leader asking me to remind him all my alt names (all were in the guild, as was common in that guild). No problem; i know he keeps lists. Next thing i know he's whispering that he's kicking me no particular reason he can identify just doesn't think our personalities are compatible.
He didn't ask me to leave, and he didn't give any tangible reasons, he just kicked me. It was so stupid and so stupidly done that I very nearly quit wow after that. So for those thinking about venturing into a guild for the first time, let me offer you just a few points of advice i've learned after my experience with the sociopath in that first guild:
1) Don't join a guild named after the leader. There are some ego issues here that i don't think really need explanation.
2) If the leader periodically goes through and purges a bunch of people from the guild, find out what the reason is. If membership is subject to capricious or unspecified rules you're not going to be safe.
3) Don't get too attached to your guild. Some people don't really care, but others do and it's dangerous with something as arbitrary as a guild.
What is that little song he always puts in his videos? It starts around 0:48 I think.
I tend to do the exact opposite of 7:04 when I join a new guild, I just like to shut the fuck up and play. In the past, people have always made me feel weird for not talking much, thank you for showing me that I am normal.
I've literally just joined a new guild and have my first trial tomorrow, nervous but excited to finally be in a guild that's at my skill level and not wiping on normal tree!
Did you make it? This story needs a follow up
@@wackantheduck6883 Wow this is a throwback! There were two guilds that I joined in Legion, I think this was the second one. They lasted a tier, had an internal meltdown because it turned out the GM and her lackey were mental and more than half of us went on to form another guild that’s still going today. We usually cleared HC and couldn’t move into mythic as it was a fairly casual environment and couldn’t always make up the 20 decent players required. I don’t play anymore, came back in BFA for a bit, but bounced off of 8.3 and couldn’t get into Shadowlands for similar reasons and irl changes. Still got friends that raid with them though!
I'm starting to think I'm extremely lucky... I've been raiding with the same guild for 12 years now, our core is a tight knit group of friends, who enjoy playing games together, none of us knew each other when we started playing WoW, now we meet IRL many times a year, some of us have met their girlfriends, boyfriends, wives and husbands through the guild etc, and we're far from hardcore, we're focusing on HC raiding mostly, with plans on doing mythic once we're comfortable stepping into it. We've had many, many many members in our guild over the years, most have left for more hardcore guilds, or stopped playing, but no one has ever left because of bad experience with us, I think anyway. We've grown so comfortable with each other that it's really hard for me to see how my WoW life would be without my guild. It's just... always been there it seems.
I don't know why I went on this rant tbh, maybe to tell ppl that there are nice guilds out there, maybe just to gloat about my good fortune, who knows.
Ghost hair omg
The application/interview skit was brilliant hahaha
Ok, so my situation is as follows: no mic, don't want a mic. Also, WoW is a low priority for me and frequently gets dropped from my routine because I just have more important stuff to do.
Given these facts, I've come to believe that a "real" guild is just not something I can have, at any level of play. The closest I can come is what you call "cesspool" guilds. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong, as someone who has dropped in and out of a lot of guilds there is always a spot for someone who might want jsut put a potion in the guild bank. Hell if you sign up as a casual for raiding guilds is a very easy app process since you don't have any expectations or leave any down. Just look at G chat and think of it as a means that when your on ask if anyone in G chat has alts and would like to do what you want to do or join up in a place higher than pug caliber of people who can do stuff with again. Hell in a mythic guild I was in the casuals would give the raiders better prices on consumables and enchants as a means to make tons of gold and trade it for runs. If you can type and not expect the world as a casual and take a few chances to do things, you can type in chat and just listen in voice coms. Even some big raiding guilds the amount of support needed to jsut have tons of of raid food was all given by people who can't make it to raid time but wanted to help in some little way, jsut don't forget to say GL if you do happen to get online on raid time always makes you look good XD.
if you want to raid, then yeah, it would be quite difficult, maybe impossible, to find a decent guild.
mic is only required so you can call out game specific stuff like "cant soak", "will interrupt next", "need external cd", etc... no need to be social, or even say hello or goodbye...
and specific time commitment is a trade off for hours of waiting in queues or hours of waiting for healer replacements after every wipe. basically, do you want to clear your wednesday and thursday evening schedule, log inboth days at 19:30 and raid = fight bosses almost non stop, from 20:00 to 23:00, or do you want to log in whenever you feel like it, spend 30 minutes signing up for pugs, another 15 minutes waiting for everyone to gather, and then 10-20 minutes of waiting for new people after each wipe, or everytime a healer has to leave?
however if you just want a guild to have some people to talk to, or to run dungeons with, or whatever else, when you do find some time to play wow, then just listen to what sayuameangkis is saying.
You can always pug.
So much truth in here, and served in a very good way too. Well played, boys. Well played.
omfg a countdown video. I thought I'd never see the day.
Man I gotta ask, this is the second video of yours that I've seen that shield. (On your wall about 7:15 in). Where, if I may ask, did you get that? Or did you make it?
Love your videos, Preach, I use your UI, and it's wonderful, hope your having a great week man!
Recently joined my first raiding guild at the beginning of Legion. Now 6/7H and it feels awesome to be able to do some type of progression! Even if its at a lower level.
I joined a guild and started emerald nightmare raiding. About 3 weeks later the raid leader started a coup and took 90% of the raid team to form a new guild. I never catch a break.
In guild chat today someone said his friend in a "mythic" raid guild had a GM that was kicking people if they didn't show up to the raid fully enchanted. He also said that they were only 2/7H, not hard to see why.
The slow turn, impossible multitasking camera staredown was the coolest thing i've ever seen from you, respect.
I joined a guild several years ago that I was told that it wasn't a raid guild. Shortly after I joined, like 3 months, the GM and the officers decided they wanted to raid and expected everyone in the guild to be available at their beck and call when they wanted to raid. It was only after I never signed up for any of the guild raids, that I had a talk with the GM about why I wasn't signing up for the guild raids. I worked nights and I couldn't devote my time just before I had to work to raid just for them. I brought up that I wasn't told it was a raid guild when I joined, and the GM told me it wasn't a raiding guild. I then asked where the issue was that I didn't sign up. And she said that it was more of an issue of me not being team player. I said that I would be happy to sign up on the days I didn't work, and I asked if the raid days could be moved to the weekends. And I was told that they wouldn't do that for just one person. I told the GM that it's funny how when they want something from someone they demand that person rearrange their whole out of game life just to accommodate the people in a video game, but when a person needs something, they couldn't be bothered to accommodate them. Yeah I was promptly removed from the guild after I told them there was no way I was going to change my life outside of WoW so that they could get a few pieces of game loot. Yeah! I was the one that wasn't a team player in that guild!
Top 5 with happy music is back
Wonderful!
8:39 I believe you might have mixed up your prefixes here. Antisocial is quite different from asocial.
5:25
Reminds me of last weeks mythix raid. My raid leader took a piece of loot that was a non upgrade, minus a single fucking socket, which csn now be easily farmed in this expansion, when it was a 15 ilvl upgrade for me... feels bad.man!
that intro bit to flawless play is one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed XD
that's a crispy Thrall in the background
Top notch mate. Miss these.
This video was on point, thanks a lot!
Watched this video a week ago, put in an application to the #4 raiding guild on WrA. Got accepted, got to do my first mythic raid (got loot) and the GM is helping me set up my Weakauras/TellMeWhen. Thank you Preacher.
Man ever since Ghosty joined your vids have really been on point :D
Great vid full of LOLZ. Loved the Dredd reference 👍
8:56 - 9:12 lost my fuckin shit at this scene, so so funny
You guys are really stepping it up with the quality of content here, keep on killing it!
Holy fuck that app sketch was amazing.
what UI addon is he using? 0:50 also what raid frames addon?
whats the name of that video a 0:40 ?
Solid performance Ghosty
Would accept your application any day
I've found when I join a new guild, as long as their policy includes giving loot to new members, you can usually get geared up pretty quick. What happens is, even if you come in with 0 DKP, bottom of the DSK list, or you're only allowed to /roll for gear that any other members have rolled on, there's going to be a lot of pieces that either everyone who is eligible already has, or doesn't want. You might be getting a lot of scraps, but if you're in a good guild, there's plenty of scraps that will catch you up quick.
You're in a guild that still uses DKP? Call a museum, 'cause that's where DKP belongs. Seriously.
Samuel Morrison
That's when I actively raided.
if you're in a guild using dkp... just leave....
What do people use nowadays?
I use DKP in my guild, simply because we think its fun :)
#1 reminds me of why I left a guild at the end of Cata. We were doing the ooze boss in Dragonsoul where you need to use only big heals, because when you heal someone 5 times they explode. I was watching the other healers' cast bars to figure out why we kept blowing up, and saw one of them using his efficient heal. I kept saying "use your big heals" "only use your biggest heals". Finally, he goes "I am using my big heals" and I yelled "YOU'RE USING NOURISH!" Well, after the raid I got talked to by our GM, and he said he wanted to make sure that I didn't yell at anyone again. I said, if nobody screws up that bad and lies about it, I won't have to yell. But he said he wanted to know what I would do to make sure I didn't yell at anyone again, so I left the guild.
Loving the content gentlemen!
What's that wedge shaped item under preach's right monitor? Looks like it may be something for ergonomics?
Love this video Preach!
"Once inside, just try and perform well, and it's that easy."
Thanks, Preach. ;)
The last point describes me well, spent most of my time worrying about making mistakes or even trying to attempt anything to make progress. Funny how I am always highly nervous to go do stuff on my own then when I finally do I say: "Well.....what was I worrying for?"
It's easier to get an actual job than to join a raiding guild.
I rly wan´t the place where u seek out jobs...
False lmao
that skit is on point. well done.
Thanks for the advice it helped a lot always love ur vids
Still looking for a guild after 2 weeks of searching.Feels bad.
wowprogress is your bestfriend
I got hella lucky, found a guild through trade chat that was looking to do mythic progression..and those usually struggle on normal but just downed mythic nythendra yesterday and going strong
Also check the guild recruitment forums and server forums for your / server you are willing to Xfer too. Also there is a weekly guild recruitment redit thread. Don't get too stressed about it you will find something man and Good Luck!!!
What server are you on? If you are on A-Sargeras or H-Area 52 you might tryout Currently Online and see if it fits your fancy
Thank you for your time,but I'm on Argent Dawn-EU.Thanks to Feldrin's link I now have an extra more tool to search for a guild.
i haven't done much raiding after recently returning to the game after a long hiatus. i was under the impression everyone did personal loot now? is there an advantage to not doing personal?
I once was playing at a level where I was considered for a spot in a top 500 guild. I had to decline when it came out that I would be expected to take vacation or even quit my job if needed to play 18 hours during progression pushes.
I was genuinely surprised when my guild brought me on a mythic dungeon without even asking my item level, and when I mentioned that it was a lot lower than what pugs were after they laughed it off. I wasn't expecting that.
someone have a link to this raging gm @0:40 ?
preachy I love you c: keep up the wonderful videos mate
You know, I took your (and others') advice, I was always one of those guys going in enormous social guilds doing pugs all expansion long. A few weeks ago I searched the forums for a nice guild. I talked to some officers and now I'm part of a nice dutch raiding guild doing heroics every wednesday and thursday evening (we're 6/7 atm.). Can't remember ever having so much fun in an MMO.
The reason I never did this before is because I thought all guilds were super demanding with 0 room for mistakes but surprisingly everyone is really friendly and gearing is far less time consuming than with pugs.
my guild kept asking me to switch to outlaw from sub to do more dps over and over, next raid they said they didn't need me because it was a dps loss. so I had to gquit :,( I'm not joining any other raiding or serious guild ever again. I'm going to lfr this expansion
Update: I did find a guild who gave me a raid spot, but that was after i rerolled demo lock :) now my deeps aren't shit nomore
King Zombie That's how it works. Square the fuck up nigga
join a guild with better people then? defend your choice to play sub instead of outlaw? play sub to the fullest so that you aren't a burden to your raid because you are underperforming?
Yeah a decent sub rogue isnt a super dps loss for any raid lol...
Edit^ i can see how this looks sarcastic, but its not.
don't let one shitty guild experience get you down, I'm sure you can find another guild which won't give two fucks if your'e sub
If you're guild drops you because of your spec, you shouldn't be in that guild. My guild wanted me to switch to boom to do more DPS, and I told them to fuck off, and now I get to play feral full time with them
Hey preach ! Why is your wow looking so fantastic ?? i have everything up on ultra 10 and it is not looking any near that good
nice vid it really healped me i just joined a guild and have ben really nervus as weather i would make it past the trial and it has really gotten rid of the nerves
I must've watched these skits more than 10 times now, still funny
I remember a guild I had been in for a long time, since the end of MoP, always had the same 10 person raid group and never accepted anyone else despite the guild having over 900 members. For a while I didn't care, I didn't even raid so why would I? But when Legion launched I decided I wanted to try raiding and other end game content that wasn't just doing LFR every week working towards a legendary that I'd never actually use the active on myself and so when mythic dungeons were first put out a couple guildies and I went to do mythic HoV, around that time the gear was all ilvl 840 or so and the average ilvl was 825, and after over 2 hours of wiping on a mix of Hymdall and Odyn we finally completed the dungeon and got the guild the Halls of Valor guild run achievement, shortly afterwards myself and the other two guildies were kicked from the guild with no reason given. Now, I spit on my old GM every time I see him in Dalaran, as petty as that may seem.
Haha jokes on you cause I logged onto WoW today only to see the guild MoTD as "Was fun, officers are out" and realize that the GM and almost all the officers /gquit-ed. The new GM is a level 100 DK who hasn't logged on in over a month and is still in his Garrison from WoD. RIP guild.
Oh they took all the gold too rip
Just More Like This Please. awesome work guys so bloody funny and true too.
and get that bloke who looks like Ghost back in for some more interviews he was well funny.
The pre-recorded bits are priceless ^_^
No guild wants a Fury Warrior. :(
23 artifact levels of pure sadness dumped in my fury weapon :-(
i got 27 now lol its good ahah like 250-300k dps 850 meh
That is just so wrong in every way imaginable.
I mean, that's kind of going back to the older "how to pick your class" videos: Warrior should be your class if you like Fury and Arms, not one or the other.
+Arachnofiend
I still think that's bullshit except for serious progression guilds.
If I don't want to tank, I'm not gonna too. If I despise Arms, I'm not gonna play it.
I never have any idea of what add-ons to use for raids and stuff, I feel like this stops a lot of people as well
I use DBM, Elvui, Exorsus Raid Tools, Omen, TellMeWhen and Tidyplates. Covers everything really
+SalvLav only one of those is remotely essential btw. Just dbm and youll be fine, the rest you can adjust to your preference.
I loved this video and will take it to heart.
Bahaha... your fake application/interview is actually true to life. Swear to god, that is actually real experiences I have had dozens of times. Dozens.
@Preach Gaming how about a video on how to go about finding a guild?
The server forums for the battlegroup I'm in are pretty much dead and the in game guild recruitment system is a joke. Adverts such as 'We're an active guild looking to recruit players for MOP' are common place as are ads from guilds with just 1 player. Still I guess there's always Trade chat ;)
Back when I still played my guild was literally the best maybe not in the sense we were hardcore mythic raiders or anything like that but because of the community. One of the GM's was literally my other mom and she helped through a lot of day to day things that I didn't necessarily feel comfortable bringing up with my parents.
My only gripe with joining a new guild now is starting over with new people and so on. I raided for like 5 years with many of the same people. It just doesn't feel the same joining a whole new one.
WHAT KIND OF CHAIRS DO OYU AND GHOSTY USE I WANT ONE
I joined a nice gild after playing wow for almost one year alone and i must say its sooo much better now!
So can i get a link to the desk ghosty is on i like it
correct me if I am wrong, but isn't number 3 perfectly supported by a dkp system? which you called one of the most scumbag things in wow in an earlier video? Whats going on?
That sketch with Ghost was brilliant!
But how do you find a good active semi-serious guild? Last time i was in a serious guild and did any real raiding was in Cata... i'm a little rusty. I just want a guild with some interesting conversations in the chat and some guys to do Mythic Dungeons with. How do i search for that? Anyone know of such a guild on Twisting Nether?
that crack in the monitor is gone where is the crack?
Any good American Alliance Servers? I'm stuck on mg.
Been playing this game for 10 years and there seems to be a evolved version of number 5. Not raging GM's per say, the ones I have had experienced with in the past (and am currently) are GM's who don't rage at you for making a mistake but call you out in a way that throws a spotlight on you and makes you feel like a complete idiot which can give you the fear of rule number 1. They use passive aggressive behavior which to me does more damage than the raging examples shown in this video. Honestly I would take the rager any day.
I have played with many kinds of people in my WoW career, been in casual, elitist, social, nerdy, awkward, and even tried out a RP guild for a brief time and in all my experiences you can't have a positive without a negative to balance. You can have good gear but be grouped with assholes. You can play with the most friendly people you'll ever meet in a MMO but when it comes to raid/dungeon mechanics it's like herding blind sheep through an earthquake. Very very rarely you will meet people with both positives and when you do, you're friends for life. I still talk/play with mine from time to time.
Call my next thing pessimism or negative I call it realism. (Based on my experiences) Nice guys do finish last in MOST situations. Being nice is obviously a choice or just second nature to some and people will prey on it; use it and then toss you aside when it's all said and done. You can be outgoing and friendly; offering flasks/potions to people that need them for one reason or another. Tank/heal/DPS a dungeon that you don't need but will do it because some friend(s)/guildie(s) need it for a quest or particular item which is fine but then when the time comes where you want to do something that can benefit you in any way or because you need it for a quest or progression you then get called out for being selfish, only out for yourself etc. Three things happen here: You're humble and step down which causes the cycle to continue, you step up (assertively) and get called out regardless which sparks drama either getting you ganged up on, demoted or even Gkicked. Lastly you are sick of it and call them out on the spot where responses vary from childish insults all the way to instantly Gkicked with whispers of more insults to follow.
Take this the way you want. There are always ups and downs. I can even admit that with all my experiences over the years some things tend to latch on and not let go which can vary from judgemental, elitist attitude, lack of patience and even stereotypical prejudice. I stay away from LFR's like the plague due to people that you meet there. I get impatient with people who make the same mistake without correction. I even bash myself when I raid and make mistakes. I play a paladin tank and mage DPS. I flat out refuse to tank any mythic+ above 5 on my paladin just out of fear of not getting 3 chests. I won't go over mythic 10 on my mage and in some cases won't do them at all.
In conclusion, when you play a game be you and when setting a goal be that from farming transmogs, raiding, PvPing, questing, or just socializing form a compromise. Also like Preach said, there is always a reason for something so be patient.
Cheers.
You just literally wrote my post. im scrolling through this whole page of crying/cancer and yours was the bright shining star that said "hey hannah, holy shit, that's you!". anyhoo..my nerdgasm is over now. legit post tho.
I read the title wrong at first i thought it was misconceptions of the top 5 guilds.
On another note, few years back i had convinced a friend to play WoW he was having fun exploring and leveling his character. After a few weeks though he told me how bored he had gotten soloing everything. i asked about his guild, he said he would never join one. apparently the word "guild" in warcraft to him equaled you must show up to every raid 5 nights a week and preform no matter your level or experience. I had was trying to convince him otherwise, but that was a losing battle.
More of that Andy character, please! Great video guys!