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@theScoreesports I have yet to play the game, so idk personally. However, from the explanation, it sounds confusing. I can see what the devs are doing, trying to do. Just sounds confusing over all
That was the least complicated control scheme I’ve ever learned. It was so fucking simple, I learned on my keyboard because none of my fight sticks work. What the fuck was confusing?
(hey so was she a presenter before? I recognize her face a little but I'm not super sure? also when did she start transitioning if she was a presenter before? I swear I recognize her but dont watch the channel enough)
So imo, I feel like the lack of motion inputs is a weird thing to not include because most games that do simple inputs these days are using motion inputs as well for an option for additional damage like in granblue and DNF Duel. Smash even included it for their FGC characters. But yeah the complications of the inputs might be a bit weird to get used to. Then again, we probably might be needing more time to get used to the mechanics, We can look at Blazblue Cross Tag battle being a simplified tag fighter and it introduced a lot of people into tag fighters and even brought new people into fighting games in general.
tag fighters are just fundamentally not welcoming to new players. no new player wants to get mixed up and not know why, then not be allowed to play for 30 sec because they are getting combod.
As a UMVC3 enthusiast even the neutral game will looked overwhelming for the casual/ majority of non tag Fighter gamers Just happened recently at my casual gath because most people can't even comprehend what the hell is happening on the screen
@@hastur2905It’s particularly messy for tag fighters. Non tag fighter players generally get frustrated with the shorter match lengths, longer turns and just general chaos.
It didn’t feel bad at all playing on controller, but I can completely understand people playing on arcade sticks/leverless controllers are having issues
Least confusing watered down tag fighter with no motion inputs: this is getting confusing!!!! Why do you guys make content about games none of you comprehend? Just stick to making valorant and league content at this point
As a fellow mvc head the playtest was sick. No motion controls was hard to adjust to but it’s possible. The control scheme was weird at first but you get it with time it’s all practice. I played a lil DNF duel and others said already they said should give you incentives to use motion controls. Can’t wait for the next playtest
I'm glad I told them to ignore those who want to get rid of the 2 special buttons (on the alpha survey) It's a blighted discourse. The real issue was just people don't know where to place the macros, which I figured out with my trusty keyboard Fantasy Strike also had 2 special buttons, no one cared
God these sound like skill issues. Your inputs were wrong, it happens to everyone. Play more, get more consistent, run it back. I never heard of a single top player complaining about the input system. FGC boomers hate anything new and will lie and slander both new and old games to prove a point, Sajam has several good videos about FGC boomers whining on twitter. We played 2xko for a week or two, no time to really get consistent. The absolute disgusting amount of shade you're throwing out. "Degenerate Marvel players" What the absolute fuck is that about?? Marvel is one of the very few NA fighters that got big in the slightest. Honestly disgusting that got into a script on a channel meant to bolster esports in general.
Marvel VS Capcom literally tries to give you seizures covering the screen with every asset they could load. This is just one character with one skill. meh. On the other hand, Riot is known for not knowing how to balance anything.
Why is there not even an option to do motion input? I think Granblue handles motion inputs really well. You could do the motion/charge input for slightly more damage, but the simple controls let you react faster in neutral. In combos they don’t really matter, you can even turn OFF motion and charge inputs, making it an accessibility feature. Also L M and H versions of specials. I am much more concerned about the terrible notation that they use that ends up being different per language.
You legit made a video about a full screen projectile and don’t mention other skills. Let’s take akuma for an example, if devs wants to make a character balanced in these games they can just adjust the hps of a character. Like developers aren’t stupid.
Akuma isn’t balanced. He is actually proof that low health just adds a skill floor to a character but doesn’t affect their actual strength. He has literally never been weak in any game he has been in. Not even tekken.
The system just felt very arbitrary. It's not like it was difficult to execute, there was just no intuition to guide you. They'd probably be fine if they didn't change anything but I'm glad they're not giving up on finding a sweet spot.
I think this is just a matter of people who don't have much experience or at all with fighting games being intimated by the input sequence. But once you spend like 10 minutes, you realize that this is not hard at all.
I’m torn on it. On one hand, I do see how all of that could be confusing. Especially since it’s so different from how other fighters operate. On the other, motion inputs can be intimidating; and the game likely wants to expand beyond the usual fighting game market. Just needing to do one button seems, at least on its face, far more approachable.
Speaking as someone new to fighting games. Eh, wasn't really that complicated. Pretty simple game and easy for new players to pick up. It's a fighting game, so new players getting destroyed is pretty normal.
I think people need to leave this girl alone. It's her choice, her business, and not ours. In terms of 2xko and fighters. While making them more accessible is good, no matter how you water down the controls, fighting games are just complicated period. You can't really do away with that. Sure maybe a set up is easier, but the over all interaction of it is the same so XD. I think players looking to have an easy time in a new easy fighter, 2xko, will be disappointed.
It's not a girl. And no one's being a bigot for speaking the truth. It's delusional to think you're something that you're not. And then forcing others to act as such. I can tell you I'm a billionaire and the king of the world, how is that any different?
Okay, but i really dont get how it's any more complicated than other games. This game has six buttons, which is pretty standard. Tekken has 4 buttons, but characters can have multiple two button inputs, over a hundred moves, and half a dozen stances. SF6 has 6 buttons, same as 2XKO. The only difference is that the specials are on motions. Granblue has 5 buttons with the special key (really six, because you can't spotdodge without the guard button) This sentiment has gotta be from GG players since that game has 5 inputs, right? I feel like GG players are also the ones that have an issue with supers being long, when each one is not longer than ten seconds.
ok maybe im just on a spectrum or something but it isnt confusing at all. am i the only one? for example the chronostrike thing. it made simple sense. different input motions for different scenarios so you dont get the wrong thing at times. i feel the game was well built but needed a ton of tweeking in alpha lab but after this it feels like it'll get better not worse. idk maybe i be playing too much fighting games i do be on tekken too much recently but it feels about as clear as a fighting game can be to me
Its really tiresome to see people who havent played a fighting game comment on 2XKO like they understand the genre. I really hope the devs dont make something to please everyone when the main majority of people who will play this game long term are dedicated fighting game fans in the first place. "The combos are too long," said everyone who hasnt played fighterz or mvc. "This is too complex," said everyone who hasnt touched tekken or or KoF.
There is a more pressing matter to be addressed by Danielle and theScore as a whole... GANGPLANK WHEN? The people need this information! It's your duty as journalists to deliver the hard-hitting facts and go undercover to get the inside scoop!
Title is very misleading. This Game is not confusing at all when it comes this genre. Confusing is something along the inputs of King of Fighters series.
INTRO/Menus song go SO HARD! There is nothing else i think about when i think of the game. The first thing is the guitar of that damned song! Just gives me the chills. No stage song made it to my mind, i assume that. But Menus... Jesus.
I totally agree with the comments on there being way too many inputs on very few buttons. It's one of the things that make simple input games a lot harder to play for me. I honestly think things like that make traditional inputs easier to do. I tried playing 2xko for the beta and was very overwhelmed by the button scheme, even as someone who has experience in fighting games and specifically Marvel. I'll probably still try it (especially since it's f2p) but after getting my hands on it, I don't know how long I would stick to it.
The character design in that ''game'' is awful, I would write more but YT loves to remove my comment and warn my account if I do. You even have Arcane as a footprint to model after, and they still ruined it.
Im gonna be honest that a SUPER skill issue i dont understand how light medium heavy tag is confusing especially because im a fighting game player trying league and i am absolutely struggling to get into it i dont understand anything and my fighting game freinds are making fun of me because its "simple"
I think i disagree, there’s a serious argument that on-boarding through duo coaching is now a way more legitimate method of play. Like i have a gf who doesn’t really play fighting games, and she’s hesitant to learn them because she has to fight *me* to train. With a two-player tag system she can instead play WITH me and i can coach her on the side. As long as you know someone who is good at fighting games, the tag team system may make onboarding easier.
Ok was surprised by Danielle. Happy for her and wish her luck moving forward in her career. However, is it possible to give her a mic to wear or raise the sensitivity of her mic. She is very soft spoken and the music blended with her voice a little to well. I rather not blast my volume to be able to hear the contents of the video.
first of all it is not that confusing, if somebody love tradition way of input, just make 2 sets of input btw welcome back, but the speaking speed is slow, don't know if there is any difficulties, but would be great if it can be faster
Do you think 2XKO is too confusing?
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@theScoreesports I have yet to play the game, so idk personally. However, from the explanation, it sounds confusing. I can see what the devs are doing, trying to do. Just sounds confusing over all
yea im confused i didnt realize that laptop was only from best buy do i need it to play the game
Okay but how is this any more confusing than any other fighter?
Fr
Exactly what I was gonna comment
I think a direction + button gets much more confusing than the regular motion inputs when there are so many moves
One button doesn’t have to handle 9 specials in other fighters 😂
@@mikvance Tekken has entered the chat
1 second into the video: Pause. "Ohh boy here we go." Goes straight to the comment section.
Tbh I don’t really care but I was just confused. It’s no biggie but I was just merely curious/confused.
🏳️🌈?
Hmmm
the comments are actually surprisingly on topic considering the audience
I did the exact same thing.
1 second into the video: "oh, is she trans?"
*checks her Twitter handle*
"OH SHE IS! Nice."
*continues video*
That was the least complicated control scheme I’ve ever learned. It was so fucking simple, I learned on my keyboard because none of my fight sticks work. What the fuck was confusing?
Same, so simple controls
this just seems like a meaningless topic theres nothing confusing about the game here and its not even out yet lmao
Anime fighters looking at the inputs wondering how its confusing
Damn, Danielle really grinded on her voice training. I'm jealous.
if this is considered good, i really dont want to know what someone would sound without voice training
@@The_Good_Captain "Faking"... I'm afraid you don't know how a voice works. 🤣
(hey so was she a presenter before? I recognize her face a little but I'm not super sure? also when did she start transitioning if she was a presenter before? I swear I recognize her but dont watch the channel enough)
@@spitfyre8688yea he was one of the main presenters for years on the channel under the name Daniel Rosen.
Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Deceptions.
No, it's not getting confusing
So imo, I feel like the lack of motion inputs is a weird thing to not include because most games that do simple inputs these days are using motion inputs as well for an option for additional damage like in granblue and DNF Duel. Smash even included it for their FGC characters. But yeah the complications of the inputs might be a bit weird to get used to. Then again, we probably might be needing more time to get used to the mechanics, We can look at Blazblue Cross Tag battle being a simplified tag fighter and it introduced a lot of people into tag fighters and even brought new people into fighting games in general.
Because in 2XKO you can command/queue support move, like doing forward+assist while doing combos. Motion input don't go well with this type.
@@peacepham7838 Absolutely not true, many tag games have done this before
0:12 I gotta be tripping?!
it took me 10 min to process
Nah you not tripping, it was revealed at 12:53
Lmfaoo
Hilarious
good for her staying true to herself, it just caught me off guard.
Uhh whats happening 💀
DANIELLE'S BACK!!!
(complete WHIPLASH upon seeing her again ngl)
Daniel's back, staying with the current trends and all
tag fighters are just fundamentally not welcoming to new players. no new player wants to get mixed up and not know why, then not be allowed to play for 30 sec because they are getting combod.
As a UMVC3 enthusiast even the neutral game will looked overwhelming for the casual/ majority of non tag Fighter gamers
Just happened recently at my casual gath because most people can't even comprehend what the hell is happening on the screen
That's just every FG, fighting games as a genre are fundamentally unwelcoming
@@hastur2905It’s particularly messy for tag fighters. Non tag fighter players generally get frustrated with the shorter match lengths, longer turns and just general chaos.
It didn’t feel bad at all playing on controller, but I can completely understand people playing on arcade sticks/leverless controllers are having issues
I was on keyboard and had no issues, lol
I was on stick and the game is very easy to play and understand. Click bait video
thats....that not confusing at all. Just learn the game
What’s more confusing is his appearance..
I’m being forced to wait for 2xko, and now they have to add heimerdinger
Least confusing watered down tag fighter with no motion inputs: this is getting confusing!!!!
Why do you guys make content about games none of you comprehend? Just stick to making valorant and league content at this point
As a fellow mvc head the playtest was sick. No motion controls was hard to adjust to but it’s possible. The control scheme was weird at first but you get it with time it’s all practice. I played a lil DNF duel and others said already they said should give you incentives to use motion controls. Can’t wait for the next playtest
I am so confused right now...
@Drthxplct Understandable, 2XKO sounds confusing on. I haven't played the game yet, but the control scheme does sound confusing
@@novathefallenstarwarrior i dont think thats what OC talking about lol
@@kinoshkiwa then what is he talking about?
@@novathefallenstarwarrior 😩💀
I'm glad I told them to ignore those who want to get rid of the 2 special buttons (on the alpha survey) It's a blighted discourse. The real issue was just people don't know where to place the macros, which I figured out with my trusty keyboard
Fantasy Strike also had 2 special buttons, no one cared
They should hire me, I'll give an idle animation of caitvi boombayah
Welcome back Danielle! Great to see you back in thescore vids
God these sound like skill issues. Your inputs were wrong, it happens to everyone. Play more, get more consistent, run it back. I never heard of a single top player complaining about the input system. FGC boomers hate anything new and will lie and slander both new and old games to prove a point, Sajam has several good videos about FGC boomers whining on twitter.
We played 2xko for a week or two, no time to really get consistent.
The absolute disgusting amount of shade you're throwing out. "Degenerate Marvel players" What the absolute fuck is that about?? Marvel is one of the very few NA fighters that got big in the slightest. Honestly disgusting that got into a script on a channel meant to bolster esports in general.
Also yeah the game is confusing when the tutorial in the game is absolutely horrid and doesn't teach you a thing about how to really play the game.
Oh, hey, Danielle's back talking about thing that actually got me interested in this channel, FIghting Games! Welcome Back
Was wondering where you were and I'm glad to see you in this video 🍻
Much love from France ♥️
2XKO train hype
Mais non TPK ici
@MrKylljoy ohhh on traîne souvent par ici !
Marvel VS Capcom literally tries to give you seizures covering the screen with every asset they could load. This is just one character with one skill. meh.
On the other hand, Riot is known for not knowing how to balance anything.
Is that graves talking to use cosplaying as caitlyn? 😂😂
Dude..
Why is there not even an option to do motion input?
I think Granblue handles motion inputs really well. You could do the motion/charge input for slightly more damage, but the simple controls let you react faster in neutral. In combos they don’t really matter, you can even turn OFF motion and charge inputs, making it an accessibility feature. Also L M and H versions of specials.
I am much more concerned about the terrible notation that they use that ends up being different per language.
You legit made a video about a full screen projectile and don’t mention other skills. Let’s take akuma for an example, if devs wants to make a character balanced in these games they can just adjust the hps of a character. Like developers aren’t stupid.
Akuma isn’t balanced. He is actually proof that low health just adds a skill floor to a character but doesn’t affect their actual strength. He has literally never been weak in any game he has been in. Not even tekken.
akuma has notoriously been amazing in like every street fighter game despite the low hp. Lowering hp is a very lazy way to balance a character
i never realized how much i missed hearing danielle talk about fighting games until now
@@AshTonnet-dn1we no it said danielle on the screen, transphobe
Cry@@quasar2880
so obvious this comment has been bot upvoted
how is it obvious
@@celzolsen8988obviously you need to be uninstalled from reality
The system just felt very arbitrary. It's not like it was difficult to execute, there was just no intuition to guide you. They'd probably be fine if they didn't change anything but I'm glad they're not giving up on finding a sweet spot.
I think this is just a matter of people who don't have much experience or at all with fighting games being intimated by the input sequence. But once you spend like 10 minutes, you realize that this is not hard at all.
1 second into the video... im confused.
I’m torn on it. On one hand, I do see how all of that could be confusing. Especially since it’s so different from how other fighters operate. On the other, motion inputs can be intimidating; and the game likely wants to expand beyond the usual fighting game market. Just needing to do one button seems, at least on its face, far more approachable.
Speaking as someone new to fighting games. Eh, wasn't really that complicated. Pretty simple game and easy for new players to pick up. It's a fighting game, so new players getting destroyed is pretty normal.
Isn’t the the shaggy looking guy I’m confused
i skipped to the end
Same 😅
nuh uh
Bruh... Not everyone is suposed to be hitting 40 hits combo.
I think people need to leave this girl alone. It's her choice, her business, and not ours.
In terms of 2xko and fighters. While making them more accessible is good, no matter how you water down the controls, fighting games are just complicated period. You can't really do away with that. Sure maybe a set up is easier, but the over all interaction of it is the same so XD. I think players looking to have an easy time in a new easy fighter, 2xko, will be disappointed.
@@The_Good_Captain Don't be a bigot bro.
@@mrkillerbott We live in a world, where i'm not sure if this is a joke or not 😅(I hope it is...).
It's not a girl. And no one's being a bigot for speaking the truth. It's delusional to think you're something that you're not. And then forcing others to act as such. I can tell you I'm a billionaire and the king of the world, how is that any different?
He*
Please the correct terminology. He
Okay, but i really dont get how it's any more complicated than other games.
This game has six buttons, which is pretty standard.
Tekken has 4 buttons, but characters can have multiple two button inputs, over a hundred moves, and half a dozen stances.
SF6 has 6 buttons, same as 2XKO. The only difference is that the specials are on motions.
Granblue has 5 buttons with the special key (really six, because you can't spotdodge without the guard button)
This sentiment has gotta be from GG players since that game has 5 inputs, right? I feel like GG players are also the ones that have an issue with supers being long, when each one is not longer than ten seconds.
ok maybe im just on a spectrum or something but it isnt confusing at all. am i the only one? for example the chronostrike thing. it made simple sense. different input motions for different scenarios so you dont get the wrong thing at times. i feel the game was well built but needed a ton of tweeking in alpha lab but after this it feels like it'll get better not worse. idk maybe i be playing too much fighting games i do be on tekken too much recently but it feels about as clear as a fighting game can be to me
Its really tiresome to see people who havent played a fighting game comment on 2XKO like they understand the genre. I really hope the devs dont make something to please everyone when the main majority of people who will play this game long term are dedicated fighting game fans in the first place. "The combos are too long," said everyone who hasnt played fighterz or mvc. "This is too complex," said everyone who hasnt touched tekken or or KoF.
4:50 thats cap, ekko remix of his league theme is insane. I agree the others can be pretty basic but we gotta recognice the goat
There is a more pressing matter to be addressed by Danielle and theScore as a whole...
GANGPLANK WHEN? The people need this information! It's your duty as journalists to deliver the hard-hitting facts and go undercover to get the inside scoop!
Well that was not what i was expecting. I'll be missing Daniel but im happy to welcome Danielle. Take care
Title is very misleading. This Game is not confusing at all when it comes this genre. Confusing is something along the inputs of King of Fighters series.
Can't tell if this is a man or woman sigh L video
Oh worddd, gang back. Lessgoooo miss your commentary. Happy to see you back 🙌🏾
There was an even more degenerate leffen clip to pick, this one felt even somewhat tame lmao
WB Danielle, proud of u
2xko is a kusoge lmao
INTRO/Menus song go SO HARD! There is nothing else i think about when i think of the game. The first thing is the guitar of that damned song! Just gives me the chills. No stage song made it to my mind, i assume that. But Menus... Jesus.
I totally agree with the comments on there being way too many inputs on very few buttons. It's one of the things that make simple input games a lot harder to play for me. I honestly think things like that make traditional inputs easier to do. I tried playing 2xko for the beta and was very overwhelmed by the button scheme, even as someone who has experience in fighting games and specifically Marvel. I'll probably still try it (especially since it's f2p) but after getting my hands on it, I don't know how long I would stick to it.
Soooo it's not confusing at all wtf was the point of this video
The character design in that ''game'' is awful, I would write more but YT loves to remove my comment and warn my account if I do. You even have Arcane as a footprint to model after, and they still ruined it.
It feels like i have heard her before but where?
“He” used to make videos about fighting games mostly in this channel 🤣
I come back for the comment section. 🤣
Judging from the playtests. This game is gonna be a kusoge
Damn its been a while since Danielle was hosting videos, glad to have the FGC rep back
Ok this channel just confused me more then that video game
I was surprised, but WELCOME BACK. Missed that peak commentary
Eh, all fighting games eventually end up 'too confusing' I think Riot will iron out the kinks in about 20 years
love to see danielle hosting again
she had such a glow-up too!
@@daniiiiboii72 he
1:30 🤙🏻
Goat
Characters with more moves should just have quarter circles
Well maybe, just maybe, make it a regular tag fighter.
Danielle is back!
I miss the music actually. I need it on spotify.
I missed commentary from this woman.
Glad you're back. So nostalgic talking pace.
"woman"
@@celzolsen8988Sion ult into oncoming traffic IRL
@@celzolsen8988 You never seen a woman until now, are you ancient Greek, Spartan?
Im gonna be honest that a SUPER skill issue i dont understand how light medium heavy tag is confusing especially because im a fighting game player trying league and i am absolutely struggling to get into it i dont understand anything and my fighting game freinds are making fun of me because its "simple"
Hahahahahahahaha ok ok got it now, the speedrunner talking bout confusion
Tbf, League is more confusing than this game
The game was never going to appeal to new players the moment they turned it into a tag game. Biggest bag fumble just from that alone.
I think i disagree, there’s a serious argument that on-boarding through duo coaching is now a way more legitimate method of play. Like i have a gf who doesn’t really play fighting games, and she’s hesitant to learn them because she has to fight *me* to train. With a two-player tag system she can instead play WITH me and i can coach her on the side. As long as you know someone who is good at fighting games, the tag team system may make onboarding easier.
Yo. Cloud 805 footage. I love that guy
legend
Danielle is super quiet here. Is she quiet normally or this there a audio issue?
I am just shocked to see this in the end.
You guys have clearly never played a fighting game before. Show ‘em the Blazblue combos.
Ok was surprised by Danielle. Happy for her and wish her luck moving forward in her career. However, is it possible to give her a mic to wear or raise the sensitivity of her mic. She is very soft spoken and the music blended with her voice a little to well. I rather not blast my volume to be able to hear the contents of the video.
Now i know why this channel is not good at releasing content anymore.
Congrats Danielle!!!!! 2XKO is on my desktop still too
Wait is the lol fgc available again or it's invite only? 😔
2XKO might get me back into fighting games. I haven't touched one since Budokai Tenkaichi and Tekken Tag Tournament 2 lmao
Smash isn't really a 1 button fighting in my opinion
Seeing bro like this after disappearing is so jarring 😭
LETS GO DANIELLE WELCOME BACK
Welcome back Daniel you mean? Or hey welcome to the show Danielle. You can have it both ways
goood bye not watching this channel no more
😂😂🎉 another woke media?
This was so bad, that i just had to skip to the end to see if this is a skit that i don't understand or smth.
It wasn't 💀
Might I suggest something else you do at your time? Something a bit more permanent?
bruh 💀
Glad to see you doing videos again Danielle :)
Glad to see this host, hope we can more!
Welcome back!! 😊
2XKO ruined this man's life.
When the naughty spam bots comments are better than the normal ones
YOOOOOO, Great to see theScore's best FGC analyst back in the saddle!
I absolutely won't be playing that busted game though 👍
I havent seen this channel in a very long time
I just watched Arcane for the 3rd time about a week ago
first of all it is not that confusing, if somebody love tradition way of input, just make 2 sets of input
btw welcome back, but the speaking speed is slow, don't know if there is any difficulties, but would be great if it can be faster
I'm still waiting for the name reveal.
Danielle
@@saulv960 got me there, good one
*mandatory laughs in tekken*
unsubscribed
Good riddance
I mean I definitely don’t agree with this, but I won’t unsubscribe the channel just for this lol