I was in the 5.3 shadowbringers dungeon for the first time for story progression. We were doing great, maybe wiping at new mechanics. But the veteran players were very patient and even made jokes and gave us pointers. After I finished the dungeon I was just in aww at how much the game has progressed. The S TIER quality of shadowbringers dungeons, and how the other 2 experienced players were way more than happy to help us learn. A very very pleasant experience in an amazing dungeon with an incredible final boss
@@majormom357 veteran players are always nice in new games because they want more people to play the game but like with every game the more people the more toxicity and it will eventually have the same type of asshole players as any other MMO. I've heard people in New World are really nice too, same thing.
literally had this happen to me (on the receiving end) a few weeks ago, just doing my duty roulettes on SCH with a light party of sprouts in haukke manor, somehow the tank to die to the boss (absolutely not my fault, he just stood there and dc'ed), the tank never logged back in so the other 2 party members got depressed in party chat and said that we'd have to remake party, and i just told them not to worry about it and wait a bit. no more than 3 minutes later a new tank joined (also a sprout) and we wiped which disheartened them yet again, so i taught them how to deal with the lamps with lady amandine, after that it was an easy clear. i got full commends for some reason even though i was just being nice, its kind of the norm for everyone to have a huge tolerance for eachother, especially for sprouts.
55 min of Ramuh extreme. Only 2 people to ever get riled/mad were 2 mentors. Everyone else were chill af. I was having a blast tbh and that feeling of hitting that LB after 55 min of doing it and ending the fight was pure bliss.
Its a great reminder. In a lot of respects the FF community is better and more healthy than Wow’s, but it isn’t perfect. We shouldn’t ignore the bad sides of the FF community, they should be memed because their opinions tend to be pretty stupid. Similar idea to the “UCOB/UWU was harder when I did it in Stormblood so you didn’t earn your clear, but gratz anyway” meme or the “Beating Ultimates is an insult to me because of social anxiety and lack of social networking” copypasta. They are pretty toxic ways to think, but people in the community make fun of it because its a rediculous stance to take to truly believe those statements.
that scene hit different for those who follow Grim's videos and realized that was the reoccuring often-shit-upon undead priest from multiple past videos where he was the butt of many toxic dungeon/raid group jokes. . Glad to see he found his piece.
One of my raid experiences in FFXIV, when we did shiva extreme using party finders. we got wiped almost 10 times and 2 of us just left the raid. we probably got like 15 min before the raid end. then, one of our party members called 2 mentors in their company. and when they came, one of them said, "we are not giving up today". and that was the moment that I fall in love with the FFXIV community
Same shit happened to me today! Lol. My party were getting wipe after wipe and half the group fell like giving up since we had 13min left and a long term player said "It's all good guys 13min is all we need to beat this boss, we got this" and we killed it with 37 seconds left. It was the most hype and exciting feeling I ever had lol.
Not wiping, but recently I was in a group from party finder farming a bird mount (from sephiroth) and we stayed together farming until the last party member got his mount. We did it almost 50 times for almost 2 hours. I thought it was very wholesome that a bunch of strangers would invest that much time just to make sure other strangers got their mount =)
The best part is that the undead face which appears when he (ironically) says "wow", indicates he is a repeating character from many of captain grims previous videos. an undead priest who keeps getting shit on in dungeons or raid attempts and hasnt been seen since his last appearance a while back where the character decided to just quit the game altogether. Looks like he finally found his peace.
They are even doing stuff they did not promise, like removing jokes and flirts! Blizz truly cares! Everyone is just a toxic asshole jumping on this new ffxiv trend to ge some clicks!! MOM I NEED MORE COPIUM!!
I just realized all the cons of final fantasy involve people liking the game *too* much (like the "you must watch the cutscenes" gang) rather than Square Enix doing horrible shit to it's customers and employees the way Blizzard does while also still making a shitty game
Yeah, it was brilliant but comparing Blizzard execs to Ascians is offensive to the latter. At least the Ascians had some kind of moral compass. There was a reason behind their motives. Blizzard execs cubicle-crawl, invite women to a room called "The Cosby Suite" and SA just because they can.
So true at the end. I'm a sprout, first class was Dragoon. Decided to level a healer to get the reward buffs in roulette. The healer I chose was scholar. Was running a dungeon and we had had 3 wipes because I was still getting used to the role and not fully prepared. People were really nice about it and were basically like "no worries, let's continue :)" In another dungeon, after we had wiped, someone kindly gave me some very good advice "Use Adloquium less and Physick more"
That's horrible advice, you should _never_ use physick when adloqium available; if tank taking enough damage for heal spamming to make sense the shield will always be fully drained, and if tank not taking that much damage cast art of war / ruin until shield and chunk of hp gone.
Or you know, many of the people who quit WoW actually quit and don't want to give Blizzard their money anymore at all. Some people undeniably will play both games or go back to WoW, but tbh, I think many WoW players have realized that FFXIV is an MMORPG that is trying to be fun, but WoW is just a dumb skinnerbox with only a tiny sliver of its content(raiding) being vaguely entertaining.
At this rate, I think they'd rather leave the game in maintenance mode to milk as much of whatever's left than try and save it. Unless BIG overhauls are done in the game and company, WoW probably only has ~2 expansions left, at most.
@@Hooga89 its a second job. You HAVE TO do so much every day and every week, to actually get to play the slightly entertainment raiding. Its just hell to play. Nothing relaxing. A game should be something that relaxes you after a day of work, not make you feel you have another job.
The WoW token means it will never bounce back fully. Outside of that, they could bounce back in ONE content patch if their leads developers were competent.
I just realized....a key reason behind player behaviour differences in WoW and FFXIV. WoW's world shrinks every time it grows; old content becomes obsolete, and new content almost fully replaces it. The world seems small and lacks the feeling of an actual world due to this, causing player focus to drift to the meta game. FFXIV builds upon itself, and gives the impression of a world much larger than the players, keeping their attention on it rather than the meta world you create after feeling like you've done everything there is to do. This is from the perspective of a previous 16-year WoW player with very little FFXIV experience, so take it with a grain of salt.
Not only that, but FFXIV builds a very good balance of letting old content be rewarding; not just with the drops themselves, but also with helping support new content. Example: I've just finished 5.0, and I was just looking up the Resistance questline (the ShB relics quests), and to go get that relic, you can go grind the new, super expansive zone...or you can actually just go back and do previous content in various ways such as old FATEs or old raids. Granted, not doing it in the new zone isn't efficient, but you have the option if you still enjoy older content, and it helps keep older content populated.
This got a bit long, but FF14's built-in permanent timewalking is as close to the gold standard of making MMO content evergreen as I know of. The stat/equipment scaling for level sync is usually flawless and the only real complaint is that it can allow for things to be easier, but that's what queueing at minimum iLevel is for if you thirst for the challenge. There is very little content in FF14 that you can't find ANYONE to do it with you in a reasonable period of time, and almost everything that would fall under that category is exceptionally obsoleted by later design decisions. Very _very_ little content is permanently removed after being added, with the notable exceptions being seasonal/crossover event content and the time-limited Unreal trials that are just for the endgame raiding scene. I can get rewards for queueing up to do any of the 77 dungeons in the game (and that doesn't count other instanced content like trials or raids), which is great for anyone sitting in queue as a DPS needing to get through a dungeon for their storyline progression. In addition to any bonuses for queueing, when any player in the party is in a dungeon/trial/etc. instance for the first time there's a notification that everyone gets a bonus as an encouragement to get the first-timer their clear. This encouragement to do old content for rewards or to level alternate jobs on the same character means you have lots of experienced players being deliberately mixed with new players during their progression climb. Most players are happy to explain mechanics to sprouts (new players) because the experienced players don't get their old-content bonus until the instance is complete. It's much more efficient and effective to just teach the first-timers how to do the important mechanics and clear the instance than to make a big fuss over wipes and votekick the first-timer or themselves ragequit the run and get nothing. Abusing votekicks to unfairly remove people for being new will also get the GMs on your case and unlike WoW they _will_ intervene promptly if they see a reason to. The same goes for toxic behaviour both in the instance and afterwards. There is a very real incentive to not say anything at all if you can't say anything nice or at least in good faith. This doesn't mean you can't criticize people but you have to be respectful about it. Everyone's playing a game here. FF14 also tells stories of working together to surmount challenges, of learning and growing, of _forgiveness_ for mistakes and flaws. It's even written right into the lyrics of one of the most important songs of the game: _"Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after"_ Players are encouraged to help each other in both the design and the story. I'd also be remiss if I talked about FF14's attempts to systemically discourage toxic behaviour without bringing up SquareEnix's attitude towards third-party addons like parsers and loggers. They're aware that they exist, officially they prohibit them and ask players not to use them, but ultimately they know players will use them and they _for now_ are not going to attempt to detect and punish addon users just for using addons. Where they _will_ stomp down immediately on someone is if they're _harassing_ people for having a shitty DPS parse or something, because that's using an addon AND disturbing the experience of another player. In other words, go ahead and run parsers all you want but keep it to yourself in matchmade groups. This cuts down on the toxicity across the whole community because if you even mention someone else's parse in a random group they can have you talking to a GM soon after you leave the instance.
@@dafire9634 ffxiv is proof that effective balancing can be done. blizzard just doesn't want to do it. in ffxiv, your dps is determined by your skill and your gear level. in wow, your dps is determined by whichever class is broken, what talents are massively better than others, item level, stats, RNG, and some skill. this breeds a toxic environment where classes and specs are constantly changing positions on the scale of "the meta" as blizzard "tries" to balance them. if you play something that isn't popular at the time, due to it being considerably weaker than the other classes, you will get declined from group finder applications. people will not want to play with you. so it's either play what you enjoy the most, or obey the meta. in ff, it doesnt matter what you play, if you like it and you're good at it, you'll be fine. i read somewhere that they're all within 10% of eachother. samurai is "the strongest" dps, but it doesn't matter because it isn't by much. i've beat them on the dps meter with my machinist
@@elixwhitetail This! I just started playing FF14 this past weekend, and did my first dungeons last night. I was surprised to see players gaining levels in the 50s and 60s as we progressed through--and when I fucked up they were so kind about it.
Unpopular opinion but I'mma say it: I don't like the hildy questline. The only 2 times I skipped cutscenes was during hildy and in 2.something when we needed the correct contraceptive crystal to fight Garuda. *Braces for impact*
@@maxmagnus377 Yeah, feels like I'm the only one. I mean I'm ok with slapstick humor, it just doesn't work for me in this game. It...makes me cringe? Idk. No insults here lol please don't come for me, just my 2 cents.
@@maxmagnus377 Well you can always abandon quest and pretend it didn't happen. I mean, only MSQ and job quests show up in the top left corner as important quests, so nothing lost here.
I have to say this: This video Captain Grim made is perfect for TH-camr Reacts because I've already watch several react videos of it and am still not tired of the original source video along the various reacts.
Lmao he laughs hard as hell at the no skipping joke but the WoW furry jab seemed to go right over his head. Funny bc he would fit that version of a wow player perfectly 😅
I watched some chicken suit dudes play music for like 2 hours in limsa lominsa, instead of rushing through some zone like i do in wow. Really opened my eyes
2:30 , that guy was legit me when i wiped with a group like 6 times in a dungeon. i fully expected people to start bailing immediately. i probably experienced that once since i started playing, granted i've only been playing for a couple months now it's such a vast difference from wow.
I believe a lot of the good will in this community comes from the desire to see other people experience what you experienced. Hence the story skipper memes in ffxiv.
@@Edheldui Hell yeah gonna work from home when EW hits and I'll just sit afk the entire day while working so I can undercut people every 5 minutes. Already looking forward to all that sweet moolah I'll be making
I just wanna say what happened to me yesterday playing FF14 (i have never played WoW), i was doing an easy dungeon (level hard, nothing difficult, it was part of the main quest story) and when i was fighting a random plant monster (it wasnt even the boss yeat), a player told me WTF i was doing, (no one even died, it was just a fucking plant), he refuse to go to the next stage (the second), and told me if i was green (he was, lvl 58 like me) and he told me that if i even pushed random buttons, he told me i didnt understand, i was a bot or negligence and push me out of the party (4 players) that was the first time it happened to me.... W-T-F im sure it was an EX- WoW player because he said he was lvl 58 and was playing the second part of the game (i guess, Havensward)... but, my god is this common while people played at WoW? can someone explain me?
The hardest part is I still want to play WoW, despite knowing its massive problems and knowing I wouldn't have fun. Havent played it in months but played loads of FF14 and its amazing! Its fun and has a lot of things I think WoW could benefit from, namely the aethernet transportation system and having one character for all classes. I do wish that ff14 had a 2h class like warrior that was dps. Not fond of Dragon yet. Some classes like machinist are terrible to level but all classes get exceedingly better as you level. Wish blizz could allow more fun and have less infinite grinds and stopped mitigating fun.
I think they'll try something drastic on the next expansion, something that will do wonders in turning the tide. I believe in WoW's redemption, but I think it will only happen if they get a big enough hit. Hopefully more and more people will quit. We can all go back when things improve.
@@azahel542 people have said the next expansion will be great and fix wow every single time. People said it about shadowbringers even. They'll say they know they messed up and are fixing everything and everyone will get hyped and it will repeat
Holy shit i had the same exact thoughts. I hate WoW and Blizzard now because of how shit everything is, but then I remember my times I played as a fury warrior or arms warrior and miss it because FF doesn't have an equivalent in terms of gameplay.
@@dariusissobel5470 yeh but I don't think it's the type they want. Reaper is half magical too and it's a light weight 2h. Dragoon also has a 2h as they pointed out, samurai too.
The only way I can see it is they're very clearly different species, where as 14 has essentially all human-like races. So you could picture a Hyur dating a Mi'qote, etc. Don't get me wrong, still a stupid argument.
Because, ironically, they don't see WoW races as appealing, whereas the XIV races are all meant to be attractive, so they short circuit. But yeah, WoW is objectively the 'furry' one between the 2.
@@kou7191 That's a good point. People think they're hilarious when they call taurens sexy, and although some (will pretend they) mean it, furry races in WoW are far enough on the furry-spectrum that most people's minds don't even register the possibility of attraction. Some do, but most likely do not. In FFXIV, cat girls are far enough on the human spectrum to be reasonably attracted, so like you said...they question it, then short circuit.
It's not just the game. Back in vanilla people were nice and helpful in pugs more often than not. Then, little by little, the "go go go" mentality gamers took over. I was actually shocked by how try-hard people were in classic by comparison.
My experience with positive community was a tank being sorry for pulling too quickly (I may be able to do wall to wall, but not every time I run I have the energy to do so). And even when I don't say anything most players adapt to my pace.
Success is boring, failure is entertaining. I once had a Dun Scaith run where people immediately dipped. Alliance C had 2 people left- a drk and a smn. My group was down a dps. I, the sch, immediately announced I was adopting Alliance C and spent my entire run doing nothing but individually adlo-ing them through mechanics, personal dps be damned. It took us an hour and 45min, but we cleared. Most fun I've had in probably years.
Funnily enough, I because friends with a guy who streams and skipped ALL of the story content to reach end game. He didn’t buy the passes, he literally skipped each cutscene and paid no attention to the story. When chat found out, they bullied him (kind of dramatic way of putting it, it wasn’t mean spirited, they just called him the Skipper. XD) for a whole month before he decided to give in and do New Game +. Now he loves the story and reached the end of Shadowbringers (the base story). Also his viewers grew a LOT during his journey through the game again.
Ummm INACCURATE wow is better than Final Fantasy XIV Which has an expanded free trial where you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.
that leave after 1 wipe mentality even spread a bit to private servers, not quite as badly in wotlk servers since people are less likely to leave after a wipe if you actually go to the dungeon entrance instead of the party finder but it can still happen. it's been that way for years, the I played tera (before it went to p2w sht and shutdown) and even after a wipe nobody left, just waited for the healer to rez and we tried again. seems to be mainly a wow problem.
The fun at he pokes at ff14 is quite valid but nevertheless it was funny as hell. The problems in ff14 are never "main I should unsub problem" they're "I should post about this in the forums so the devs can begin working on a fix that'll come in the next patch or two"
Proud skipper reporting in. If I had a fast forward option, or I could just read the cutscene at my own pace, I'd do that. But I ain't sitting there man. Definitely not for ARR story, at least.
You can but it at Eulmore using a currency that you can get from a very rare FATE in the Tempest. You need to finish 5.0 (Shadowbringers) to have access to the NPC.
I can still tell a WoW player when they purposefully and immediately pull a Trial or Raid boss with no countdown; as soon as the player barrier vanishes, they pull. This pretty much only started when the WoW refugees flooded the game. Not that them coming is bad, but the point is that it is a bit noticeable that that person is probably a WoW refugee. Etiquette must be learned I suppose coming from such toxic parties in WoW.
The part about furry hypocrisy is the best. Cringes me the f out when wow players brand FF a furry weeb game, while wow has more furry stuff than any other MMO.
I played on high pop WoW servers for over 15 years and I have NEVER met a furry ERP guy. The worst I've ever seen is just the usual cow roleplayers... you know, the moo jokes.
Someone should show this video to a Blizzard department that'll recognize and respond to our contempt and frustration with Blizzard's lackluster content over the past few years. Subscribers: "Here are a dozen intolerable, broken, disappointing things about the game." Blizzard (one year later): "We've heard your input and have decided to address two of those things six months from now. Meanwhile, keep paying that subscription fee."
I find it maddening that a game celebrated so much because of its expansive player choices… has such a dearth of actual, useable, male hairstyles. Female characters are off the charts, they’ve always looked fantastic. Male… eh… not so much unless Korean pop band hairdos are yo thang. Love the gameplay, love Eorzea and most of the aesthetic, just want some normal fucking haircuts.
It's almost like FF has an mature appeal to its audience and doesn't insult them by censoring everything that could possibly be offensive. Because there is no way to walk through life whiteout offending someone, about something. Edit: Also the game legit seems to be better, funnier and generally is a more intuitive experience for each of its players in a way that WoW simply cannot be. The dev's at the Blizzard Division of Activision have never been willing to listen to the players until their income was finally threatened and they had no way to reason it otherwise. Its actually unreal, that they are so up their own butts they can't see the players were unhappy for years.
Ion has created two crap expansions now time for him to step aside and get a new Creative Director in so the playerbase can actually start enjoying WoW again.
Not to defend Ion here, but I really doubt a lot of the decisions about Shadowlands were his Ideas. Ideas like "conduit energy" clearly are coming from upper management, it's Ion's job to get it implemented and sell it to the player base. I think there is some real misperception of what his job is, he's not the Yoshi-P of WoW. That being said, him stepping down for his own sanity wouldn't be a crazy idea either.
It's so sad; I genuinely much prefer WoW as the combat and gameplay feels infinitely smoother and better and the boss designs are on another level but... every single time I think about going back I immediately think about Torghast and... actually fuck that.
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My dude you're a legend. Thank you for the amazing content on WoW and now on FFXIV. You're spot on with every scene!
As someone that's played both games for years but now only FFXIV you absolutely nailed it and this was freaking genius LOL
Sup Captain?
your videos are spot on dude
"then we'll waste out time together" so fucking wholesome, I love it
I was expecting "Who brings shadow" to start playing right there
I was in the 5.3 shadowbringers dungeon for the first time for story progression. We were doing great, maybe wiping at new mechanics. But the veteran players were very patient and even made jokes and gave us pointers. After I finished the dungeon I was just in aww at how much the game has progressed. The S TIER quality of shadowbringers dungeons, and how the other 2 experienced players were way more than happy to help us learn. A very very pleasant experience in an amazing dungeon with an incredible final boss
@@majormom357 veteran players are always nice in new games because they want more people to play the game but like with every game the more people the more toxicity and it will eventually have the same type of asshole players as any other MMO. I've heard people in New World are really nice too, same thing.
literally had this happen to me (on the receiving end) a few weeks ago, just doing my duty roulettes on SCH with a light party of sprouts in haukke manor, somehow the tank to die to the boss (absolutely not my fault, he just stood there and dc'ed), the tank never logged back in so the other 2 party members got depressed in party chat and said that we'd have to remake party, and i just told them not to worry about it and wait a bit. no more than 3 minutes later a new tank joined (also a sprout) and we wiped which disheartened them yet again, so i taught them how to deal with the lamps with lady amandine, after that it was an easy clear. i got full commends for some reason even though i was just being nice, its kind of the norm for everyone to have a huge tolerance for eachother, especially for sprouts.
55 min of Ramuh extreme. Only 2 people to ever get riled/mad were 2 mentors. Everyone else were chill af. I was having a blast tbh and that feeling of hitting that LB after 55 min of doing it and ending the fight was pure bliss.
Lost it at the “Ah I’ve hit end game now.” House decoration, and the Ascian music when the Bliz GM showed up.
It's canon now that ascians are blizzard devs.
@@PegeCovers They want the entire MMO community to rejoin them back when they were the only viable option, ie "The Great Rejoining"
@@PegeCovers Ascians are bunch of saints compared to Blizzard XD
@@DamorahTalset well yeah that, + sexual assault.
It’s an insult to Ascians though.
I love how grim simultaneously pokes fun at the community (don't skip elezen) while also having fun with the contrasts between it and WoW
didn't know the don't skip elezen was a meme
@@MonosEx not the Elezen per se but the reaction of the community to story skippers.
@@alexiosblake9804 ...Story skippers? STORY SKIPPERS?! AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH
Yeah, I love how it puts both games and their communities under the lens.
Its a great reminder. In a lot of respects the FF community is better and more healthy than Wow’s, but it isn’t perfect. We shouldn’t ignore the bad sides of the FF community, they should be memed because their opinions tend to be pretty stupid.
Similar idea to the “UCOB/UWU was harder when I did it in Stormblood so you didn’t earn your clear, but gratz anyway” meme or the “Beating Ultimates is an insult to me because of social anxiety and lack of social networking” copypasta. They are pretty toxic ways to think, but people in the community make fun of it because its a rediculous stance to take to truly believe those statements.
Dude the "we waste our time together" line is just so good.
that scene hit different for those who follow Grim's videos and realized that was the reoccuring often-shit-upon undead priest from multiple past videos where he was the butt of many toxic dungeon/raid group jokes. . Glad to see he found his piece.
One of my raid experiences in FFXIV, when we did shiva extreme using party finders. we got wiped almost 10 times and 2 of us just left the raid. we probably got like 15 min before the raid end. then, one of our party members called 2 mentors in their company. and when they came, one of them said, "we are not giving up today". and that was the moment that I fall in love with the FFXIV community
Same shit happened to me today! Lol. My party were getting wipe after wipe and half the group fell like giving up since we had 13min left and a long term player said "It's all good guys 13min is all we need to beat this boss, we got this" and we killed it with 37 seconds left. It was the most hype and exciting feeling I ever had lol.
Recently had a similar experience with both Diamond Weapon and the last Ivalice raid. Friendly mentors are the best.
Not wiping, but recently I was in a group from party finder farming a bird mount (from sephiroth) and we stayed together farming until the last party member got his mount. We did it almost 50 times for almost 2 hours. I thought it was very wholesome that a bunch of strangers would invest that much time just to make sure other strangers got their mount =)
You had an awesome party. We wiped 6 times on story Leviathan KEK
@@Edellus I love those groups, always nice when ppl are willing to stick it out
"Haha! Then we waste our time together!"
That shit hit different
Thats the spirit of final fantasy 14 in a nutshell
The best part is that the undead face which appears when he (ironically) says "wow", indicates he is a repeating character from many of captain grims previous videos. an undead priest who keeps getting shit on in dungeons or raid attempts and hasnt been seen since his last appearance a while back where the character decided to just quit the game altogether. Looks like he finally found his peace.
Oh my god the look on his face when they said “solo island expeditions” rofl.
and FIVE new hair colors! FIVE!!!
They are even doing stuff they did not promise, like removing jokes and flirts!
Blizz truly cares!
Everyone is just a toxic asshole jumping on this new ffxiv trend to ge some clicks!!
MOM I NEED MORE COPIUM!!
@@RiseInAfterlife lol dat truth here!
Captain Grim has just been absolute gold with every single video ever since he started. This man is phenomenal at what he does.
Copium Elf is great.
ikr relatable and hits right in the feels, my friend is so the copium elf lol.
I just realized all the cons of final fantasy involve people liking the game *too* much (like the "you must watch the cutscenes" gang) rather than Square Enix doing horrible shit to it's customers and employees the way Blizzard does while also still making a shitty game
That "Wow..." From the Au'ra-ex-Undead is just...You know it has so much emotions in it...
That or it's the raw recording from Captain Grim's stream himself saying it...
i lost it at the Ascian music when the blizz dev appears
Something about it was so brilliant.
Yeah, it was brilliant but comparing Blizzard execs to Ascians is offensive to the latter.
At least the Ascians had some kind of moral compass. There was a reason behind their motives.
Blizzard execs cubicle-crawl, invite women to a room called "The Cosby Suite" and SA just because they can.
Player: skip cutscene
Preach: *surprised pikachu face*
So true at the end. I'm a sprout, first class was Dragoon. Decided to level a healer to get the reward buffs in roulette. The healer I chose was scholar.
Was running a dungeon and we had had 3 wipes because I was still getting used to the role and not fully prepared. People were really nice about it and were basically like "no worries, let's continue :)"
In another dungeon, after we had wiped, someone kindly gave me some very good advice
"Use Adloquium less and Physick more"
That's horrible advice, you should _never_ use physick when adloqium available; if tank taking enough damage for heal spamming to make sense the shield will always be fully drained, and if tank not taking that much damage cast art of war / ruin until shield and chunk of hp gone.
I just love the Ifrit music during the skip-scene XD I totally see myself in that elezen XD XD XD
@@TheFashionistaFFXIV omg its the real fashionista outside of her own domain!
Hello
@@dafire9634 heyyoo
@@dafire9634 Well, during the Middle Ages, Kings and Queens traveled the land to see their subjects - here we are today :D
Bliz wont just bounce back in one expansion it will take then multiple master strokes to nail it. I dont think they have it in them.
Or you know, many of the people who quit WoW actually quit and don't want to give Blizzard their money anymore at all. Some people undeniably will play both games or go back to WoW, but tbh, I think many WoW players have realized that FFXIV is an MMORPG that is trying to be fun, but WoW is just a dumb skinnerbox with only a tiny sliver of its content(raiding) being vaguely entertaining.
At this rate, I think they'd rather leave the game in maintenance mode to milk as much of whatever's left than try and save it. Unless BIG overhauls are done in the game and company, WoW probably only has ~2 expansions left, at most.
@@Hooga89 its a second job. You HAVE TO do so much every day and every week, to actually get to play the slightly entertainment raiding. Its just hell to play. Nothing relaxing. A game should be something that relaxes you after a day of work, not make you feel you have another job.
The WoW token means it will never bounce back fully. Outside of that, they could bounce back in ONE content patch if their leads developers were competent.
they're definitely good at masterstroking
I just realized....a key reason behind player behaviour differences in WoW and FFXIV.
WoW's world shrinks every time it grows; old content becomes obsolete, and new content almost fully replaces it. The world seems small and lacks the feeling of an actual world due to this, causing player focus to drift to the meta game.
FFXIV builds upon itself, and gives the impression of a world much larger than the players, keeping their attention on it rather than the meta world you create after feeling like you've done everything there is to do.
This is from the perspective of a previous 16-year WoW player with very little FFXIV experience, so take it with a grain of salt.
Also the fact every job is largely balanced,really nips the meta arguments in the bud,and thats what makes a big difference
Not only that, but FFXIV builds a very good balance of letting old content be rewarding; not just with the drops themselves, but also with helping support new content.
Example: I've just finished 5.0, and I was just looking up the Resistance questline (the ShB relics quests), and to go get that relic, you can go grind the new, super expansive zone...or you can actually just go back and do previous content in various ways such as old FATEs or old raids. Granted, not doing it in the new zone isn't efficient, but you have the option if you still enjoy older content, and it helps keep older content populated.
This got a bit long, but FF14's built-in permanent timewalking is as close to the gold standard of making MMO content evergreen as I know of. The stat/equipment scaling for level sync is usually flawless and the only real complaint is that it can allow for things to be easier, but that's what queueing at minimum iLevel is for if you thirst for the challenge. There is very little content in FF14 that you can't find ANYONE to do it with you in a reasonable period of time, and almost everything that would fall under that category is exceptionally obsoleted by later design decisions. Very _very_ little content is permanently removed after being added, with the notable exceptions being seasonal/crossover event content and the time-limited Unreal trials that are just for the endgame raiding scene. I can get rewards for queueing up to do any of the 77 dungeons in the game (and that doesn't count other instanced content like trials or raids), which is great for anyone sitting in queue as a DPS needing to get through a dungeon for their storyline progression.
In addition to any bonuses for queueing, when any player in the party is in a dungeon/trial/etc. instance for the first time there's a notification that everyone gets a bonus as an encouragement to get the first-timer their clear. This encouragement to do old content for rewards or to level alternate jobs on the same character means you have lots of experienced players being deliberately mixed with new players during their progression climb. Most players are happy to explain mechanics to sprouts (new players) because the experienced players don't get their old-content bonus until the instance is complete. It's much more efficient and effective to just teach the first-timers how to do the important mechanics and clear the instance than to make a big fuss over wipes and votekick the first-timer or themselves ragequit the run and get nothing. Abusing votekicks to unfairly remove people for being new will also get the GMs on your case and unlike WoW they _will_ intervene promptly if they see a reason to.
The same goes for toxic behaviour both in the instance and afterwards. There is a very real incentive to not say anything at all if you can't say anything nice or at least in good faith. This doesn't mean you can't criticize people but you have to be respectful about it. Everyone's playing a game here.
FF14 also tells stories of working together to surmount challenges, of learning and growing, of _forgiveness_ for mistakes and flaws. It's even written right into the lyrics of one of the most important songs of the game: _"Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after"_ Players are encouraged to help each other in both the design and the story.
I'd also be remiss if I talked about FF14's attempts to systemically discourage toxic behaviour without bringing up SquareEnix's attitude towards third-party addons like parsers and loggers. They're aware that they exist, officially they prohibit them and ask players not to use them, but ultimately they know players will use them and they _for now_ are not going to attempt to detect and punish addon users just for using addons. Where they _will_ stomp down immediately on someone is if they're _harassing_ people for having a shitty DPS parse or something, because that's using an addon AND disturbing the experience of another player. In other words, go ahead and run parsers all you want but keep it to yourself in matchmade groups. This cuts down on the toxicity across the whole community because if you even mention someone else's parse in a random group they can have you talking to a GM soon after you leave the instance.
@@dafire9634 ffxiv is proof that effective balancing can be done. blizzard just doesn't want to do it. in ffxiv, your dps is determined by your skill and your gear level. in wow, your dps is determined by whichever class is broken, what talents are massively better than others, item level, stats, RNG, and some skill. this breeds a toxic environment where classes and specs are constantly changing positions on the scale of "the meta" as blizzard "tries" to balance them. if you play something that isn't popular at the time, due to it being considerably weaker than the other classes, you will get declined from group finder applications. people will not want to play with you. so it's either play what you enjoy the most, or obey the meta. in ff, it doesnt matter what you play, if you like it and you're good at it, you'll be fine. i read somewhere that they're all within 10% of eachother. samurai is "the strongest" dps, but it doesn't matter because it isn't by much. i've beat them on the dps meter with my machinist
@@elixwhitetail This! I just started playing FF14 this past weekend, and did my first dungeons last night. I was surprised to see players gaining levels in the 50s and 60s as we progressed through--and when I fucked up they were so kind about it.
Preach should do Hildabrand questline.
Indeed. We need to see Inspector Inspector.
Unpopular opinion but I'mma say it: I don't like the hildy questline. The only 2 times I skipped cutscenes was during hildy and in 2.something when we needed the correct contraceptive crystal to fight Garuda.
*Braces for impact*
Black Mage LB3 incoming
@@maxmagnus377 Yeah, feels like I'm the only one. I mean I'm ok with slapstick humor, it just doesn't work for me in this game. It...makes me cringe? Idk. No insults here lol please don't come for me, just my 2 cents.
@@maxmagnus377 Well you can always abandon quest and pretend it didn't happen. I mean, only MSQ and job quests show up in the top left corner as important quests, so nothing lost here.
I have to say this: This video Captain Grim made is perfect for TH-camr Reacts because I've already watch several react videos of it and am still not tired of the original source video along the various reacts.
Lmao he laughs hard as hell at the no skipping joke but the WoW furry jab seemed to go right over his head. Funny bc he would fit that version of a wow player perfectly 😅
The cutscene enjoyer Elezen is 100% me
ERP = Extreme Raid Progression *wink wink nudge nudge
Echo raid parsing ;)
The blue robe gm having the Ascian music background is just...
*Chef kiss*
Hey, that portrayal of the no-skip guy is totally unfair! I've never played an Elezen in my life!
0:51 this was one of Asmongold's argument against FF14 for so long when it made no f*cking sense at all knowing playable races in WoW xD
Man, that "Wow," moment with the Undead pop-up, right in the feels.
That would be something i'd watch.
A serie about an Azeroth Orc isekaied in Eorzea.
I watched some chicken suit dudes play music for like 2 hours in limsa lominsa, instead of rushing through some zone like i do in wow.
Really opened my eyes
I only played wow till after Mists, and I still remember all the ERP offers I'd get whenever I enter a certain tavern lol.
That dungeon seen mykes me tear up every single time. And i think this is the fifth time i watch that video xD
Omg I love how the Blizzard employee has the Ascian back music XD
Wow, Grim did a great job with the FFXIV models. Would love some more, sure the FF community would love em
If hot catgirls dancing in sync is being a furry, I guess I'm coming to the next Furcon.
2:30 , that guy was legit me when i wiped with a group like 6 times in a dungeon. i fully expected people to start bailing immediately. i probably experienced that once since i started playing, granted i've only been playing for a couple months now it's such a vast difference from wow.
I believe a lot of the good will in this community comes from the desire to see other people experience what you experienced. Hence the story skipper memes in ffxiv.
“U Will all come back when we implement solo expedition islands and five new haircolors”
Damn i laughs so hard
The ghosts of WoW being exorcised after the waste our time together line is just perfect lmao
Now we know the truth, blizzard are in the fact, the Ascians, and they eager to bring forth the rejoining
Tancred with the connecting to the internet noise kills me 🤣
that wrothgar(?) with the moogle hat is inspirational.
Hrothgar is the correct spelling, but you were close! And yeah, it's pretty good.
It's weird, but at least people have fun instead of arguing in trade chat.
In FFXIV most idiots just argue in novice network.
@@autisonm indeed. It's the 1 channel i avoided like the plague when i still had access to it.
@@TheAssirra I've never even used it. Better off just asking questions on the subreddit's dedicated daily question thread or just asking in /shout.
@@Edheldui Hell yeah gonna work from home when EW hits and I'll just sit afk the entire day while working so I can undercut people every 5 minutes. Already looking forward to all that sweet moolah I'll be making
@@autisonm I totally forgot that existed lmao
I just wanna say what happened to me yesterday playing FF14 (i have never played WoW), i was doing an easy dungeon (level hard, nothing difficult, it was part of the main quest story) and when i was fighting a random plant monster (it wasnt even the boss yeat), a player told me WTF i was doing, (no one even died, it was just a fucking plant), he refuse to go to the next stage (the second), and told me if i was green (he was, lvl 58 like me) and he told me that if i even pushed random buttons, he told me i didnt understand, i was a bot or negligence and push me out of the party (4 players) that was the first time it happened to me.... W-T-F im sure it was an EX- WoW player because he said he was lvl 58 and was playing the second part of the game (i guess, Havensward)... but, my god is this common while people played at WoW? can someone explain me?
Those thing could get people banned.
Not playing the way you like is no reason to kick
@@Contevent totally, i didnt banned him because i wasnt sure, since i have never did that before, but he deseved it so so much
@@MelaniAlarcon Well, report him if you still have his name. If you don't, be aware of your rights next time
@@Contevent totally, thank you!
The hardest part is I still want to play WoW, despite knowing its massive problems and knowing I wouldn't have fun. Havent played it in months but played loads of FF14 and its amazing! Its fun and has a lot of things I think WoW could benefit from, namely the aethernet transportation system and having one character for all classes. I do wish that ff14 had a 2h class like warrior that was dps. Not fond of Dragon yet. Some classes like machinist are terrible to level but all classes get exceedingly better as you level. Wish blizz could allow more fun and have less infinite grinds and stopped mitigating fun.
I think they'll try something drastic on the next expansion, something that will do wonders in turning the tide. I believe in WoW's redemption, but I think it will only happen if they get a big enough hit. Hopefully more and more people will quit. We can all go back when things improve.
@@azahel542 people have said the next expansion will be great and fix wow every single time. People said it about shadowbringers even. They'll say they know they messed up and are fixing everything and everyone will get hyped and it will repeat
Holy shit i had the same exact thoughts. I hate WoW and Blizzard now because of how shit everything is, but then I remember my times I played as a fury warrior or arms warrior and miss it because FF doesn't have an equivalent in terms of gameplay.
2h class DPS? dont worry FF14 has it covered... next expansion Endwalker there will be REAPER with 2h scythe as dps.
@@dariusissobel5470 yeh but I don't think it's the type they want. Reaper is half magical too and it's a light weight 2h. Dragoon also has a 2h as they pointed out, samurai too.
I never did understand how people like asmon and his viewers could call FFXIV a furry game whenever they had much more... Furr...
The only way I can see it is they're very clearly different species, where as 14 has essentially all human-like races. So you could picture a Hyur dating a Mi'qote, etc.
Don't get me wrong, still a stupid argument.
Because, ironically, they don't see WoW races as appealing, whereas the XIV races are all meant to be attractive, so they short circuit. But yeah, WoW is objectively the 'furry' one between the 2.
Well Asmon already passed that period and he's is in the "cat girl isn't furry" group now.
@@kou7191 That's a good point. People think they're hilarious when they call taurens sexy, and although some (will pretend they) mean it, furry races in WoW are far enough on the furry-spectrum that most people's minds don't even register the possibility of attraction. Some do, but most likely do not.
In FFXIV, cat girls are far enough on the human spectrum to be reasonably attracted, so like you said...they question it, then short circuit.
@@DuoMaxwellDS I am so proud of him to have joined us too!
1:30 preach just sounded like private from the penguins
Yeah, I lost it at the skipping cutscenes bit. So true. XD
Bit of a shame you didn't go back and pause to read the Thancred text that the player skipped!
As soon as I saw that text box pop up, I was like "Time to pause this to see what hilarity is crammed into this frame" lol
I remember being surprised how randoms in LFG are nice, even with vipes and shit, even new player who came from WoW. WTF this game did to us???
It's not just the game. Back in vanilla people were nice and helpful in pugs more often than not. Then, little by little, the "go go go" mentality gamers took over. I was actually shocked by how try-hard people were in classic by comparison.
My experience with positive community was a tank being sorry for pulling too quickly (I may be able to do wall to wall, but not every time I run I have the energy to do so). And even when I don't say anything most players adapt to my pace.
Holy crap, how am I not subbed to this guy. Going there now to sub.
the Metal Giant Elezen killed me
1:26 Cpt Grimm hit that Joke so hard and correctly, every single FF14 creator either did a "You did what?" or "HUUUUUUUGH!" reaction to it.
"wOw"
That hit deep.
Success is boring, failure is entertaining. I once had a Dun Scaith run where people immediately dipped. Alliance C had 2 people left- a drk and a smn. My group was down a dps. I, the sch, immediately announced I was adopting Alliance C and spent my entire run doing nothing but individually adlo-ing them through mechanics, personal dps be damned. It took us an hour and 45min, but we cleared. Most fun I've had in probably years.
Funnily enough, I because friends with a guy who streams and skipped ALL of the story content to reach end game. He didn’t buy the passes, he literally skipped each cutscene and paid no attention to the story.
When chat found out, they bullied him (kind of dramatic way of putting it, it wasn’t mean spirited, they just called him the Skipper. XD) for a whole month before he decided to give in and do New Game +.
Now he loves the story and reached the end of Shadowbringers (the base story). Also his viewers grew a LOT during his journey through the game again.
Activision Blizzard and La[Ha]Brea Tar Pits are less than 10 miles apart... Coincidence? I think not.
I love Copium Elf, favorite character
That machinima is banned on /r/wow just saying :D
Its already out there and spreading, just saying :D
These animations feel so sim-like it's hilarious
Ummm INACCURATE wow is better than Final Fantasy XIV Which has an expanded free trial where you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.
that leave after 1 wipe mentality even spread a bit to private servers, not quite as badly in wotlk servers since people are less likely to leave after a wipe if you actually go to the dungeon entrance instead of the party finder but it can still happen. it's been that way for years, the I played tera (before it went to p2w sht and shutdown) and even after a wipe nobody left, just waited for the healer to rez and we tried again. seems to be mainly a wow problem.
dude watch all grim's vids,they are pure gold
Far better than I was expecting LMAO
True endgame is all about fashion :P
2:28 That quest name lol.
3:12 Am I the only one who lost their shit at this part? The ascian music omfg
The fun at he pokes at ff14 is quite valid but nevertheless it was funny as hell. The problems in ff14 are never "main I should unsub problem" they're "I should post about this in the forums so the devs can begin working on a fix that'll come in the next patch or two"
Proud skipper reporting in. If I had a fast forward option, or I could just read the cutscene at my own pace, I'd do that. But I ain't sitting there man. Definitely not for ARR story, at least.
So on point it almost hurts!
Preacher! :D
this is so gold!
Look at me. LOOK AT ME.
3:20 my reaction exactly.
Hard painful facts 😂
Oh my fucking God
where do i get the frog suit?
You can but it at Eulmore using a currency that you can get from a very rare FATE in the Tempest. You need to finish 5.0 (Shadowbringers) to have access to the NPC.
Grim just doesn't miss. Ever.
even teh GM has to huff Copium to still work for WoW
This is so great omg laugh my ass off all the time.....
Grim is so awesome!
Damn seeing the orc and GM made me think some of the perfect cross over story :)
preach watching youtube vids on stream...... is he filling the asmongold void?
I can still tell a WoW player when they purposefully and immediately pull a Trial or Raid boss with no countdown; as soon as the player barrier vanishes, they pull. This pretty much only started when the WoW refugees flooded the game. Not that them coming is bad, but the point is that it is a bit noticeable that that person is probably a WoW refugee. Etiquette must be learned I suppose coming from such toxic parties in WoW.
Has preach gotten his car yet?
I shouldn’t laugh but that was damn funny.
The part about furry hypocrisy is the best. Cringes me the f out when wow players brand FF a furry weeb game, while wow has more furry stuff than any other MMO.
I played on high pop WoW servers for over 15 years and I have NEVER met a furry ERP guy. The worst I've ever seen is just the usual cow roleplayers... you know, the moo jokes.
This is so funny but so true
Someone should show this video to a Blizzard department that'll recognize and respond to our contempt and frustration with Blizzard's lackluster content over the past few years. Subscribers: "Here are a dozen intolerable, broken, disappointing things about the game." Blizzard (one year later): "We've heard your input and have decided to address two of those things six months from now. Meanwhile, keep paying that subscription fee."
the allafell looks so mutch corky lol char omg :D
So true with the Vulpera and Wogen omfg... "FFXIV IS A FURRY GAME!" as they play a worgen druid...
Joke is most true WOW fans quit about 6 or 7 years ago XD
I only skipped cutscenes I saw at Asmongold's stream where he voiced them, so i didnt have to read
Sweet react video 🤨
best video ever xd
I find it maddening that a game celebrated so much because of its expansive player choices… has such a dearth of actual, useable, male hairstyles. Female characters are off the charts, they’ve always looked fantastic. Male… eh… not so much unless Korean pop band hairdos are yo thang. Love the gameplay, love Eorzea and most of the aesthetic, just want some normal fucking haircuts.
It's almost like FF has an mature appeal to its audience and doesn't insult them by censoring everything that could possibly be offensive. Because there is no way to walk through life whiteout offending someone, about something.
Edit: Also the game legit seems to be better, funnier and generally is a more intuitive experience for each of its players in a way that WoW simply cannot be. The dev's at the Blizzard Division of Activision have never been willing to listen to the players until their income was finally threatened and they had no way to reason it otherwise. Its actually unreal, that they are so up their own butts they can't see the players were unhappy for years.
i am 100% the no skip elezen xD 1 of my friends skips EVERYTHING (even hildibrand) and it hurts me deep in my soul xD
Why would he do Hildibrand if he skips it anyway?
@@alexiosblake9804 probably only for the sake of doing it. Plus there's my favorite afk emote, the manderville mambo
@@alexiosblake9804 she* and to unlock the fights and the minions
Ion has created two crap expansions now time for him to step aside and get a new Creative Director in so the playerbase can actually start enjoying WoW again.
Not to defend Ion here, but I really doubt a lot of the decisions about Shadowlands were his Ideas. Ideas like "conduit energy" clearly are coming from upper management, it's Ion's job to get it implemented and sell it to the player base. I think there is some real misperception of what his job is, he's not the Yoshi-P of WoW. That being said, him stepping down for his own sanity wouldn't be a crazy idea either.
0/10, too few potatoes.
skipped all the cutscene and is okay.
It's so sad; I genuinely much prefer WoW as the combat and gameplay feels infinitely smoother and better and the boss designs are on another level but... every single time I think about going back I immediately think about Torghast and... actually fuck that.