Being at the top changed wrestlers personally back then.. Shawn's a great example.. later in his career he said he didn't even want to be champion because of the politics and he just wanted to put on good matches and his humility really showed in the ladder half of his career in that regard. He became the absolute best. Him and Bret were always my favourites. Them and the undertaker.
You do know hogan was gone by july of 93 right??? Meaning why did it take vince almost a year to put strap on bret? Also vince was hoping luger went over cuz bret wasnt a huge draw. Never was.
When Bret Hart speaks you are simply hearing only one thing the thought process from a true professional wrestler he took his craft more serious than his paycheck and he also called himself the Excellence of execution and he epitomizes that exact terminology
That's why I love a canadian crowd 'cause they're so into wrestling. It feels right. Every time a WWE event is gonna take place in Canada, it's a must watch. I love how HBK still gets booed even after 12 years after the Screwjob.
Bret "The Hitman" Hart had a passion for the wrestling business. Actually, he cared about the way he performed rather than getting big money. That's why Kevin Nash called Bret Hart, "The $400,000. dollar champion."
I am in the midst of reading Bret's book, " Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling", and it's incredibly enlightening to the ordeals he went through, and speaks volumes of the character of Bret Hart as a man and as a wrestler.
He never had a problem with winning or losing???? Yet on his Wrestling with the shadows he said "Vince said I have to lose the title in Montreal." What's that say right there he had a problem on how he lost it.
No, the problem was losing to Shawn. Bret had told Shawn that he was happy for him, and that he would be glad to put Shawn over any time. Shawn looked at Bret and said I appreciate that, but I want you to know I won't do the same for you. That made Bret mad, and felt disrespected by Shawn. He told Vince, I won't put Shawn over until he puts me over first. Bret was more than willing to lose the title to Austin or anyone else but Shawn. He even offered to turn the belt over the next night in Ottawa. Everyone paints Bret as the "guy who refused to do business".... but that is NOT true. He wasn't going to just let Shawn walk all over him like that, and I don't blame him. Vince even agreed Bret didn't have to lose at SS..... it would end in a DQ..... it was Vince who lied and went back on his word.
Bret Hart is a decent person. He hates lying and deceiving people. Guys like Hogan, Flair and Vince that is a businessman and does what's right in his mind about business and not worry about the consequences. The Hart family was always the best and Bret was screwed by Vince and Shawn as they have all agreed to it. I am happy that Bret has buried the hatchet and does other stuff in wrestling. Whats done is done and we all know who the bad party was. At the end of the day we all end up in one hole, rich and poor life cannot be bought and money doesn't matter in the end. All we have is our beliefs and the way we lived our lives to be a good person or not. Others will judge that. Bret Hart is the best.
What bothers me the most is why people think being a businessman somehow shields you from having to be judged on ethics and such. Hell, I think most politicians should be put on trial for genocide upon their people. The fact that trough poverty you've destroyed a family (think broken homes... or even murder/suicide, thus directly, human lives). Yes, under the umbrella of it being "too hard to prove", people don't even bother conjuring the thought of people like this Vince share blame, let alone call for justice. And so on, the corporate world goes on, controlling, unabated, more and aspects and liberties of the everyday guy's life, without him even bothering to notice it.
If you actually watch the video. You can see that Bret is being bitter here - and that Hogan has never done anything wrong to Bret personally. Bret inadvertently admits it - if you watch the clip carefully. Hogan may of used and abused his creative control alot. But as far as his dealings with Bret go - Hulk Hogan has done nothing wrong. Bret even admits he trashed him unfairly and that maybe he was wrong. Bret is at fault on this one
zsivaz I actually think that too. They may had differences but I do not think Hogan did anything as bad as Vince or the others did. At the end of the day is a survival of the strongest business and Hogan was well known and everybody knew that Hogan is always a winner when it comes to publicity stuff. What I like about Bret is the honesty and he just tells you how he saw it without holding back unlike most others. I was a big fan of NWO and the main reason for that is because Hogan, Nash and Scott Hall made it exiting. I prefered NWO Hogan to the red and yellow take your vitamins crap.
what everyone needs to remember is that throughout his career Bret kept a daily journal of his daily routine and on-goings in the wrasslin game. Just read his book and a vast majority of wrestlers will back and verify everything that Bret has said about Flair, Hogan, Michaels and HHH.
There's a strong strong possibility that Vince lied to Bret about getting the title from Hulk. I bet Vince wanted Bret to think that he would be champ again soon, but people in creative business positions change their mind. I think Vince finally realised that Hogan couldnt work the date of SummerSlam (and that had nothing to do with Bret.)
Correction. The 90s boom was due to the Monday Night War. That was because of Hogan. He made WWF big in the 80s then WCW in the 90s allowing for them to go head to head. Austin's popularity came DURING the Monday Night War thus he simply road a wave of popularity. Austin was VERY luck to be chosen as the man to beat up Vince every week because seeing Vince get beat up is what the fans liked. Vince was the key not Austin who was easily replaced in the angle by Rock then HHH.
Bret EVENTUALLY was the best that Vince had... the best he had LEFT that is. Bret likes to say that he's the best of the best, but in reality he was just the best of the REST.
brethart1997fan who said these words in an interview when asked about Montreal? "There were two reactions. My first reaction was that it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but my second reaction -- my most gut reaction -- was he should've done what he was told in the first place because Vince McMahon created Bret Hart, gave him the belt, and let him run with it. When your time is up, it doesn't matter if you're in your hometown or if you're in Bangkok. "
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes Yeah, I recall a guy called Andre The Giant being pretty fucking important. He was the first truly universally recognized pro wrestler and it shits me that he doesn't get the props he deserves. If Hogan was booked against anyone else at Wrestlemania 3, I (in Australia) would never have seen or heard about it.
He got his respect, he was given the top spot several time, he was the highest paid wrestler & he wanted to leave as champion aswell? Have you ever heard of the saying "he wanted his cake and eat it too"
"Well, he wasn't in his hometown, he was in Montreal. His hometown is in Calgary, and it doesn't matter if he was in Calgary, when the promoter's paying you that much money and you're working for somebody, and they tell you to do something, you've got to do it, or you're in breach of contract. he gave Bret every scenario to drop the belt and Bret would not do it just because it was Shawn Michaels. And to me, that is...Personally, that's... but to me, that's not business."
The fact that Vince tried Bret and then took him out of the title scene until everyone else had left gives a pretty clear picture. Bret even admitted in his DVD that his first World title reign didn't go as well as he'd hoped. And everyone went to WCW for the same reason they went to the WWF: MORE MONEY. Oh, and the "next generation" angle (a major bomb) was a desperate attempt to explain why everyone was leaving.
i think what bret wanted was just apprection and respect for all the work he put in for vince and the wwe and bret said it himself that in his last days working for the company he had creative control and wouldve dropped the belt to anybody except for shawn
Simple, Bret was told to job, Flair was told to leave. One had the responsibility to job the title back the other was given his release before he could have the chance to job the title back.
If i remember correctly, Yoko had Mr Fuji and Jim Cornette managing him at the time so he didn't need to cut a promo... In fact i can't recall ever hearing yoko speak... They also had him as a part of a faction so it wasn't that necessary... Monster heels don't have to cut promos most times.
I agree with you. All fans are marks, or "smarks" (Smart Marks) nowadays, but I am a Bret Hart fan and I'm American. He will always be my favorite, and he's one of the guys that got me hooked to wrestling. And who cares who's right or wrong or bitter? I respect him for the awesome matches he had, and I even respect Shawn Michaels despite what some of the old school wrestlers (aside from Bret) like Steiner and Adam Bomb have said about him.
I remember Martha's comments about the harts in bret's book. She says "these people worked against me......I am removing myself and my children from the family. I carry the last name, but I'm not related to them anymore. She talk about the hole family including Bret.
My own personal humble opinion, back then nobody wanted to see two faces go at it...they tried with Ultimate Warrior, and we saw how that went...so it only made business sense for Hulk to drop the belt to Yoko...Bret would go on to win the championship 4 more times after that...
yeah, i must agree to that.. but this was the time after his stroke wherein they have to cut his hair shorter for ct scanning procedure.. he does look good with a longer hair..
that is true because Julie has said in interviews that it is hard for her to really have a good friendship with Bret i have no idea why. Regardless of Julie's feelings and Bret's affairs the only thing that matters was that Bret was not beatdown guy he still managed to put food on table for both his kids and his ex wife Julie and he kept her well sheltered. So Julie should be grateful for what Bret has done when it comes right down to it.
There was no King of the Ring in 1991, not the PPV at least. That didn't start until 1993, which Bret Hart won. As for that other crown, that went away when "Macho King" Randy Savage lost that career-ending match to the Ultimate Warrior. Unless there was some obscure tournament on TV or overseas, of which I'm not aware. I'm referring to the PPV.
I've worked with Shawn many times, and Shawn's an incredible wrestler. He's one of the best in the business today still, and Bret would have had no shame, I don't think, in dropping the belt in Montreal. Just because it was Canada, Bret thought he was in his hometown." (EGOTISTICAL and VINDICTIVE again).
I'll give you a reasonable answer, Yes, it was good business for Flair to show up with the WCW Championship on WWF TV. It was Flair's belt. When someone was voted to be WCW champion when WCW was apart of the NWA, they were required to put down a $25,000 deposit, payable when they lost the championship. When Flair lost the belt to Vader, WCW REFUSED to give back Flair's deposit.
Hulk was wrong he should've passed the torch to Bret Hart and dropped the belt to him at SummerSlam with no argument. in the wrestling business it's about the next guy that will carry the business Bret was being set up to be the next guy in 93. Hogan should've been a company guy and put Bret Hart over at SummerSlam give him the stamp of approval and in a way give fans that thought of this is the next Hulk Hogan.
That 's the real world brethart1997fan, no worker is owned by a boss we have never said that but if your boss wants something that belongs to him in the manner he gave it to you either you give it back or you'll end up like Bret.
hart had worked for the wwe for 14 years and only missed two days of work...and changed the way peoples perspective on a wrestling match. instead of having a big bulky roid raged guy give u a 2 min. match, you now have the smaller guys putting up great performances in the ring. bret hart is better than Hulk Hogan hands down
brethartfan1997 is a classic MARK, it doesn't matter if we can provide 100 more wrestlers or his even his own children say Bret is not who says he is, he will just ignore it or discredit all those people The saying still holds true "where there is smoke there's fire" but apperantly not in brethartfan1997 neck of the woods.
I guess it kind of makes sense, but still. Bret had put in years at the WWF, and had proved himself to be great, while Yokozuna was just a huge dude, who really didn't deserve it.
Part of the problem with WCW, is that they had too many stars. They were taking in everyone from WWE despite having so many natural stars. Bret hard made his name in WWE but WWE had a vendetta against Bret and wanted to make sure the fans turned against him beyond the storyline. Hogan usually has creative control so it isn't surprising that Hogan said no to dropping the title to him.
It's unreasonable brethart1997fan to remain champion no matter how you see it specially where he was heading. You're right, reasonable creative control is to protect his character from becoming a I don't know a pirate or jobbing all the time but doing business on your way out is very reasonable and would never hurt his character. Infact it would have shown Shawn & the rest of the boys this is how you do things even if a fellow wrestler won't act proffesionaly I will.
I watched a documentary that said Vince wanted Bret to drop the belt by losing it and Bret refused to lose it to anyone especially Michaels and Bret said he would surrender the title on RAW but Vince thought it would look bad having his Champion give up the belt on his own then go to WCW but who knows if that's the whole truth.
Nothing wrong with getting the best deal BUT when you come out & represent yourself like Bret did during those days as being "loyal" when he negotiated behind Vince's back, that's not loyal. He always said he was NOT about the money which at the end he was! He was the highest paid wrestler in the WWF & WCW all because of the Monday Wars & NOT his drawing power, infact as soon as he left the WWF they made a turn for the better & later on took them over. Bret helped WCW as much as Russo did.
If you read Bret's book, that is what McMahon said to Bret, however, Hogan took Bret aside and told im Vince wanted the belt dropped to Yoko at King of the Ring and for Bret to wrestle Hogan non-title. Bret said in his book aswell that he beleives McMahon could have been playing them against each other becasue he liked drama. Just as he played Bret and HBK against each other latter in the 90's. I don't know what happened but have posted ever possibility.
If a trained boxer a MMA fighter or amature wrestler punches a 52 year old man & he is in NO physical danger, you can pretty much call him a coward. If Bret knew Shawn was in it why not knock him out and not the old man? Oh wait he already had enough of Shawn's hair when he "beat" him up.
Well, you got to understand that he said the truth, whether he was bitter or not taking responsibility. His stance is irrelevant when it comes to saying the truth, because when you hear or read Bret's quotes, he says the truth regardless of his feelings or stance.
It's called the Montreal Screwjob. Basically, Bret had decided to go to WCW so Vince booked him to drop the belt to Shawn Michaels before Bret left. Bret refused to do so, so Vince organized the Screwjob which saw Shawn Michaels put a submission hold on Bret, followed by Earl Hebner calling for the bell without Bret ever tapping. Earl, Vince, and Shawn were all in on it.
Brett Hart had won k.o.t.r. twice a record that still stands today he was won pwi best wrestler for two years in a row 93 and 94 Brett was a huge draw world wide in the 90's...i mean what more will it take for u people to realize that brett was a money maker for the company and he's in the top 5 superstars of all time
There was many reasons Bret didn't want to give the belt back. Bret even said a main reason was because he knew Shawn wouldn't do the same for him. There was the respect issue, the politics he played back stage and the fact that he only cared about himself and wasn't willing to do the same for others. Heck Undertaker basically threatened Micheals to drop the belt to Austin at WM14, and Micheals couldn't wrestle after that match anyways.
Why would Vince sue Bret? He got back what belonged to him in the first place. The issue was in Bret court and he took no action. Proving you lied to a person that was unreasonable in his contract wins you a court case? Man seriously ask.
I know he was good friends with curt henning. Bret his brother Owen & Curt would show up at this bar when they were in town in westland michigan together. Really cool guys. I got along great with them & they showed alot of respect for me. Others that were there who were douche bags were Flair,Michaels,Blanchard. Ming/Haku was cool so was terry taylor(red rooster) Arn Anderson either way.
What?? No no Shawn already had the torch he was the man in 1996 and 1997. Bret didn't want to drop the title in Canada because he knew that canadian fans would curse Vince's name until we get to heaven.
I'm not arguing whether Bret did the right thing or not by seeking another contract, what I'm saying is Bret always CLAIMED to be "loyal" yet he had meetings behind Vince's knowledge. Bottomline a true loyal person does not do this no matter how you spin it. Don't blame WCW for Bret's failure, he was let go by Vince because he was EXPENDABLE & some months later Vince's decision to go with the younger talent was proven correct. When Bret came into WCW he did have the highest contract at the time
The WWE is a company, Vince is the owner right, what do you do in the company you work, you do what your boss tell you to do if you don't want to do it then the boss will take matters, as simple as that.
Austin never drew more money than Hulk Hogan. They can claim that only if you do not adjust for inflation. They say that the Austin 3:16 shirt sold the most in WWE. But shirts over all (Hogan always had no less than 4 shirts at a time) Hogan sold more. Plus the nWo shirt is the TRUE highest selling wrestling shirt of all time. Hogan is the man that took WWE from gymnasiums and hotel ballrooms to 93,000 + seat arenas. Austin road the wave of popularity of the Monday Night War.
Never once did I say he did everyting he was told. You need to read in context what I said is when he was told to JOB he would do it, like we stated before if you ask Vince if Shawn ever refused to job when Vince told him you would get a resounding NO.
Because, first it's Vince's call, nobody elses, second and most important those two situations happened when Vince was not on the ropes in a war with Turner & WCW who was hell bent in putting him out of business.
yeah that is the reason why the Screwjob was such serious news to anyone in the States they think it is nothing but entertainment but in Canada they actually take their wrestlers seriously and revere them
"Apparently WWE wants to release a Bret Hart compilation DVD set and tie it in with his return to the storylines. The DVD would feature Bret's favorite matches and commentary from him." Are you ready for the hypocracy to come back? Told you so, he is all about the money.
I can understand Bret's case, he was considered a hero in Canada, & he wanted 2 go out on top a la MJ. he IS Canada's Greatest Athlete, not Iron Mike Sharpe, LOL. now that U mentioned it, I do remember reading that Hogan wrestled totally different in Japan than he did in the states, so I stand corrected, I had 2 go find "Showdown: Legends of Wrestling" just 2 make that match happen, & it did in the finals of a tournament that I was playing as Bret.
Furthermore in his book he tells when the WWF and Owens wife came to an agreement on the law suit instead of asking are you ok with it the settlement HE GET"S PISSED AT HER and the frist two things he asks is HOW MUCH ARE YOU GETTING and did they say anything about my LIBRARY! This is in his book I'm not BS you INCREDIBLE. Naturaly the she said the lawyers said that was not discussed. HOW COULD IT? For Bret it was all about him and his grudge with Vince.
I was just summarzing what Bret said. He said in both his book and his dvd, he trained particularly hard and purposely tried to tire out Michaels to make himself look better. Considering Shawn was being put over, that was pretty unprofessional to attempt to make himself look better.
Actually he did, he admits it even before he wrote his book. It was well known after the fact that Bischoff & Bret had had SECRET meetings in 1996, not to mention in 1990 when he seeked a contract with WCW but didn't know his own WWF contract so he couldn't go anywhere. He went back to Vince after he had a verbal offer from Bischoff & played Vince to get him that ridiculous contract of 20 yrs. Making him the highest paid wrestler in the WWF but it was all started & schemed behind Vince's back.
So now Bret says Vince changed it to a non title match? Before he said Hogan just refused to lose. Bret can't even keep his own stories straight. At least he admitted that he was out for money.
There is a big difference, Michaels never CLAIMED to everyone that he was "LOYAL" like Bret did. When push came to shove Bret took the WCW deal even though he had a contract with the WWF that even if Vince didn't want him, he HAD TO PAY HIM it was a written contract. Bottomline, Bret saw the writing on the wall, he would NO LONGER be the top star because the WWF was going in another direction that was a big blow to his HUGE ego so he took the big payoff in WCW.
Sting and Bret had awesome wrestling ability. CHAMPIONS in my eyes. 😎
Being at the top changed wrestlers personally back then.. Shawn's a great example.. later in his career he said he didn't even want to be champion because of the politics and he just wanted to put on good matches and his humility really showed in the ladder half of his career in that regard. He became the absolute best. Him and Bret were always my favourites. Them and the undertaker.
A lot of people think Bret comes off as being bitter, personally I appreciate his honesty. I'd take him over the Pukester any day.
You do know hogan was gone by july of 93 right??? Meaning why did it take vince almost a year to put strap on bret? Also vince was hoping luger went over cuz bret wasnt a huge draw. Never was.
Who’s the Pukester?
He's never stopped talking about for over 20 years now, that is sheer bitterness.
@@TL2354I think he’s referring to the huckster lol 😅
Landsberg can come off as a tool but he really does have some of the best shoot interviews
When Bret Hart speaks you are simply hearing only one thing the thought process from a true professional wrestler he took his craft more serious than his paycheck and he also called himself the Excellence of execution and he epitomizes that exact terminology
That's why I love a canadian crowd 'cause they're so into wrestling. It feels right. Every time a WWE event is gonna take place in Canada, it's a must watch. I love how HBK still gets booed even after 12 years after the Screwjob.
And now 12 years later again
Bret "The Hitman" Hart had a passion for the wrestling business. Actually, he cared about the way he performed rather than getting big money. That's why Kevin Nash called Bret Hart, "The $400,000. dollar champion."
Why have I been looking at "off the record" videos for over an hour -_-
I am in the midst of reading Bret's book, " Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling", and it's incredibly enlightening to the ordeals he went through, and speaks volumes of the character of Bret Hart as a man and as a wrestler.
He never had a problem with winning or losing???? Yet on his Wrestling with the shadows he said "Vince said I have to lose the title in Montreal." What's that say right there he had a problem on how he lost it.
No, the problem was losing to Shawn. Bret had told Shawn that he was happy for him, and that he would be glad to put Shawn over any time. Shawn looked at Bret and said I appreciate that, but I want you to know I won't do the same for you. That made Bret mad, and felt disrespected by Shawn. He told Vince, I won't put Shawn over until he puts me over first. Bret was more than willing to lose the title to Austin or anyone else but Shawn. He even offered to turn the belt over the next night in Ottawa. Everyone paints Bret as the "guy who refused to do business".... but that is NOT true. He wasn't going to just let Shawn walk all over him like that, and I don't blame him. Vince even agreed Bret didn't have to lose at SS..... it would end in a DQ..... it was Vince who lied and went back on his word.
Bret is a vagina lol
Bret Hart is a decent person. He hates lying and deceiving people. Guys like Hogan, Flair and Vince that is a businessman and does what's right in his mind about business and not worry about the consequences. The Hart family was always the best and Bret was screwed by Vince and Shawn as they have all agreed to it. I am happy that Bret has buried the hatchet and does other stuff in wrestling. Whats done is done and we all know who the bad party was. At the end of the day we all end up in one hole, rich and poor life cannot be bought and money doesn't matter in the end. All we have is our beliefs and the way we lived our lives to be a good person or not. Others will judge that.
Bret Hart is the best.
What bothers me the most is why people think being a businessman somehow shields you from having to be judged on ethics and such. Hell, I think most politicians should be put on trial for genocide upon their people. The fact that trough poverty you've destroyed a family (think broken homes... or even murder/suicide, thus directly, human lives).
Yes, under the umbrella of it being "too hard to prove", people don't even bother conjuring the thought of people like this Vince share blame, let alone call for justice.
And so on, the corporate world goes on, controlling, unabated, more and aspects and liberties of the everyday guy's life, without him even bothering to notice it.
If you actually watch the video. You can see that Bret is being bitter here - and that Hogan has never done anything wrong to Bret personally. Bret inadvertently admits it - if you watch the clip carefully. Hogan may of used and abused his creative control alot. But as far as his dealings with Bret go - Hulk Hogan has done nothing wrong. Bret even admits he trashed him unfairly and that maybe he was wrong. Bret is at fault on this one
zsivaz
I actually think that too. They may had differences but I do not think Hogan did anything as bad as Vince or the others did. At the end of the day is a survival of the strongest business and Hogan was well known and everybody knew that Hogan is always a winner when it comes to publicity stuff. What I like about Bret is the honesty and he just tells you how he saw it without holding back unlike most others. I was a big fan of NWO and the main reason for that is because Hogan, Nash and Scott Hall made it exiting. I prefered NWO Hogan to the red and yellow take your vitamins crap.
Hogan refused to put bret over. Hogan is a lying pos
Fact
Bret doesn't fuck around at all. "Well, he's wrong." I wish more people could be that succinct, sincere, and honest.
i like how bret it playing with his watch while the hogan footage was playing
again, he is phenomenal
i knew he was gonna mention benoit first every other wrestler said they could trust benoit steve blackman said it too
what everyone needs to remember is that throughout his career Bret kept a daily journal of his daily routine and on-goings in the wrasslin game. Just read his book and a vast majority of wrestlers will back and verify everything that Bret has said about Flair, Hogan, Michaels and HHH.
Bret Hart is 1000% in the right. Hence the millions and millions of dollars he was offered in wcw.
Bret deals with wrestling from a real perspective, because he was in it from birth.
I'm half Canada and USA my late father from Canada mom from USA TENNESSEE
I cant' wait for Landsberg's heel turn. I'm seeing him in an nWo shirt.
bret is the best ever!
There's a strong strong possibility that Vince lied to Bret about getting the title from Hulk. I bet Vince wanted Bret to think that he would be champ again soon, but people in creative business positions change their mind. I think Vince finally realised that Hogan couldnt work the date of SummerSlam (and that had nothing to do with Bret.)
He does hold grudges (lol)
Correction. The 90s boom was due to the Monday Night War. That was because of Hogan. He made WWF big in the 80s then WCW in the 90s allowing for them to go head to head. Austin's popularity came DURING the Monday Night War thus he simply road a wave of popularity. Austin was VERY luck to be chosen as the man to beat up Vince every week because seeing Vince get beat up is what the fans liked. Vince was the key not Austin who was easily replaced in the angle by Rock then HHH.
"the champion is the highest paid man in the company" that means Cena has got the biggest paycheck. Wow, lol
Bret EVENTUALLY was the best that Vince had... the best he had LEFT that is. Bret likes to say that he's the best of the best, but in reality he was just the best of the REST.
You guys are having an argument on youtube about Bret Hart. Please look in the mirror and reflect on where your life went wrong
brethart1997fan who said these words in an interview when asked about Montreal? "There were two reactions. My first reaction was that it was a shitty thing to do to Bret, but my second reaction -- my most gut reaction -- was he should've done what he was told in the first place because Vince McMahon created Bret Hart, gave him the belt, and let him run with it. When your time is up, it doesn't matter if you're in your hometown or if you're in Bangkok. "
Then ppl talk shit about Bret Hart not losing to HBK, when HBK said he wouldn’t lose to Bret, when Bret said he would put him over.
What? The 90's were the most successful era in Wrestling.... In no small part thanks to wrestlers like Bret Hart.
@WeNeedSomeGolfShoes Yeah, I recall a guy called Andre The Giant being pretty fucking important. He was the first truly universally recognized pro wrestler and it shits me that he doesn't get the props he deserves. If Hogan was booked against anyone else at Wrestlemania 3, I (in Australia) would never have seen or heard about it.
He got his respect, he was given the top spot several time, he was the highest paid wrestler & he wanted to leave as champion aswell? Have you ever heard of the saying "he wanted his cake and eat it too"
"Well, he wasn't in his hometown, he was in Montreal. His hometown is in Calgary, and it doesn't matter if he was in Calgary, when the promoter's paying you that much money and you're working for somebody, and they tell you to do something, you've got to do it, or you're in breach of contract. he gave Bret every scenario to drop the belt and Bret would not do it just because it was Shawn Michaels. And to me, that is...Personally, that's... but to me, that's not business."
The fact that Vince tried Bret and then took him out of the title scene until everyone else had left gives a pretty clear picture. Bret even admitted in his DVD that his first World title reign didn't go as well as he'd hoped. And everyone went to WCW for the same reason they went to the WWF: MORE MONEY. Oh, and the "next generation" angle (a major bomb) was a desperate attempt to explain why everyone was leaving.
i think what bret wanted was just apprection and respect for all the work he put in for vince and the wwe and bret said it himself that in his last days working for the company he had creative control and wouldve dropped the belt to anybody except for shawn
Hogan cares more about himself than he does the business or his fans. In the wrestling business, you put yourself second in most situations.
He had a stroke An there bringing up people he hates
This was before the stroke
@@LongHuynh-bx5ll it was before this interview. stroke happened in 2002.
@@LongHuynh-bx5llthis was after.
Simple, Bret was told to job, Flair was told to leave. One had the responsibility to job the title back the other was given his release before he could have the chance to job the title back.
If i remember correctly, Yoko had Mr Fuji and Jim Cornette managing him at the time so he didn't need to cut a promo... In fact i can't recall ever hearing yoko speak... They also had him as a part of a faction so it wasn't that necessary... Monster heels don't have to cut promos most times.
Despite the fact he gave Michaels his first ever WWF Championship in the iron man match at Wrestlemania? He never passed the torch?
I agree with you. All fans are marks, or "smarks" (Smart Marks) nowadays, but I am a Bret Hart fan and I'm American. He will always be my favorite, and he's one of the guys that got me hooked to wrestling.
And who cares who's right or wrong or bitter? I respect him for the awesome matches he had, and I even respect Shawn Michaels despite what some of the old school wrestlers (aside from Bret) like Steiner and Adam Bomb have said about him.
I remember Martha's comments about the harts in bret's book. She says "these people worked against me......I am removing myself and my children from the family. I carry the last name, but I'm not related to them anymore. She talk about the hole family including Bret.
My own personal humble opinion, back then nobody wanted to see two faces go at it...they tried with Ultimate Warrior, and we saw how that went...so it only made business sense for Hulk to drop the belt to Yoko...Bret would go on to win the championship 4 more times after that...
yeah, i must agree to that.. but this was the time after his stroke wherein they have to cut his hair shorter for ct scanning procedure.. he does look good with a longer hair..
Bret Is... The Best There Is.. The Best There Was.. And The Best There Ever Will Be .... Period.
Brett Hart was not the best not even close! He could wrestle but his no personality held him back. He was boring as hell!
that is true because Julie has said in interviews that it is hard for her to really have a good friendship with Bret i have no idea why.
Regardless of Julie's feelings and Bret's affairs the only thing that matters was that Bret was not beatdown guy he still managed to put food on table for both his kids and his ex wife Julie and he kept her well sheltered.
So Julie should be grateful for what Bret has done when it comes right down to it.
There was no King of the Ring in 1991, not the PPV at least. That didn't start until 1993, which Bret Hart won. As for that other crown, that went away when "Macho King" Randy Savage lost that career-ending match to the Ultimate Warrior.
Unless there was some obscure tournament on TV or overseas, of which I'm not aware. I'm referring to the PPV.
I've worked with Shawn many times, and Shawn's an incredible wrestler. He's one of the best in the business today still, and Bret would have had no shame, I don't think, in dropping the belt in Montreal. Just because it was Canada, Bret thought he was in his hometown." (EGOTISTICAL and VINDICTIVE again).
At least Bret is telling one truth his family was a mess it turned into The Jerry Springer Show.
I'll give you a reasonable answer, Yes, it was good business for Flair to show up with the WCW Championship on WWF TV. It was Flair's belt. When someone was voted to be WCW champion when WCW was apart of the NWA, they were required to put down a $25,000 deposit, payable when they lost the championship. When Flair lost the belt to Vader, WCW REFUSED to give back Flair's deposit.
Hulk was wrong he should've passed the torch to Bret Hart and dropped the belt to him at SummerSlam with no argument. in the wrestling business it's about the next guy that will carry the business Bret was being set up to be the next guy in 93. Hogan should've been a company guy and put Bret Hart over at SummerSlam give him the stamp of approval and in a way give fans that thought of this is the next Hulk Hogan.
Bret never had a problem winning or losing, except taking a powerbomb from Kevin Nash, and except losing to Shawn Michaels.
That 's the real world brethart1997fan, no worker is owned by a boss we have never said that but if your boss wants something that belongs to him in the manner he gave it to you either you give it back or you'll end up like Bret.
hart had worked for the wwe for 14 years and only missed two days of work...and changed the way peoples perspective on a wrestling match. instead of having a big bulky roid raged guy give u a 2 min. match, you now have the smaller guys putting up great performances in the ring. bret hart is better than Hulk Hogan hands down
brethartfan1997 is a classic MARK, it doesn't matter if we can provide 100 more wrestlers or his even his own children say Bret is not who says he is, he will just ignore it or discredit all those people The saying still holds true "where there is smoke there's fire" but apperantly not in brethartfan1997 neck of the woods.
I guess it kind of makes sense, but still. Bret had put in years at the WWF, and had proved himself to be great, while Yokozuna was just a huge dude, who really didn't deserve it.
God i hate how the host interrupts Bret all the time and doesn't let him finish!
Part of the problem with WCW, is that they had too many stars. They were taking in everyone from WWE despite having so many natural stars. Bret hard made his name in WWE but WWE had a vendetta against Bret and wanted to make sure the fans turned against him beyond the storyline.
Hogan usually has creative control so it isn't surprising that Hogan said no to dropping the title to him.
It's unreasonable brethart1997fan to remain champion no matter how you see it specially where he was heading. You're right, reasonable creative control is to protect his character from becoming a I don't know a pirate or jobbing all the time but doing business on your way out is very reasonable and would never hurt his character. Infact it would have shown Shawn & the rest of the boys this is how you do things even if a fellow wrestler won't act proffesionaly I will.
I watched a documentary that said Vince wanted Bret to drop the belt by losing it and Bret refused to lose it to anyone especially Michaels and Bret said he would surrender the title on RAW but Vince thought it would look bad having his Champion give up the belt on his own then go to WCW but who knows if that's the whole truth.
i totally agree....
The myopic type that is.
Nothing wrong with getting the best deal BUT when you come out & represent yourself like Bret did during those days as being "loyal" when he negotiated behind Vince's back, that's not loyal.
He always said he was NOT about the money which at the end he was! He was the highest paid wrestler in the WWF & WCW all because of the Monday Wars & NOT his drawing power, infact as soon as he left the WWF they made a turn for the better & later on took them over. Bret helped WCW as much as Russo did.
If you read Bret's book, that is what McMahon said to Bret, however, Hogan took Bret aside and told im Vince wanted the belt dropped to Yoko at King of the Ring and for Bret to wrestle Hogan non-title.
Bret said in his book aswell that he beleives McMahon could have been playing them against each other becasue he liked drama. Just as he played Bret and HBK against each other latter in the 90's.
I don't know what happened but have posted ever possibility.
i was lookin for it as well how come they posted the edge n christian 1 but not hulk hogan
Wrong. He still had a month left. That's part of the reason he didn't appear on WCW TV right away
If a trained boxer a MMA fighter or amature wrestler punches a 52 year old man & he is in NO physical danger, you can pretty much call him a coward. If Bret knew Shawn was in it why not knock him out and not the old man? Oh wait he already had enough of Shawn's hair when he "beat" him up.
Bret talks about passing the torch. Bret was never a torch bearer. When he was "the man" it was the dark ages of wwf
Well, you got to understand that he said the truth, whether he was bitter or not taking responsibility. His stance is irrelevant when it comes to saying the truth, because when you hear or read Bret's quotes, he says the truth regardless of his feelings or stance.
It's called the Montreal Screwjob. Basically, Bret had decided to go to WCW so Vince booked him to drop the belt to Shawn Michaels before Bret left. Bret refused to do so, so Vince organized the Screwjob which saw Shawn Michaels put a submission hold on Bret, followed by Earl Hebner calling for the bell without Bret ever tapping. Earl, Vince, and Shawn were all in on it.
Brett Hart had won k.o.t.r. twice a record that still stands today he was won pwi best wrestler for two years in a row 93 and 94 Brett was a huge draw world wide in the 90's...i mean what more will it take for u people to realize that brett was a money maker for the company and he's in the top 5 superstars of all time
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5:09 i see what you did there landsberg
There was many reasons Bret didn't want to give the belt back. Bret even said a main reason was because he knew Shawn wouldn't do the same for him. There was the respect issue, the politics he played back stage and the fact that he only cared about himself and wasn't willing to do the same for others. Heck Undertaker basically threatened Micheals to drop the belt to Austin at WM14, and Micheals couldn't wrestle after that match anyways.
If he changed his mind time after time he is not that honest guy everybody things, his just a MARK MAN like all of you Bret Hart fans.
Yea and those who wait that long but present themselves in another light while they are on top of their game are called PHONIES.
id like to see the otr interview with hogan, i wish someone posted that
Why would Vince sue Bret? He got back what belonged to him in the first place. The issue was in Bret court and he took no action. Proving you lied to a person that was unreasonable in his contract wins you a court case? Man seriously ask.
Even though Bret did get screwed, he planned to leave teh WWE without passing the torch. He wanted to drop the strap.
I know he was good friends with curt henning. Bret his brother Owen & Curt would show up at this bar when they were in town in westland michigan together. Really cool guys. I got along great with them & they showed alot of respect for me. Others that were there who were douche bags were Flair,Michaels,Blanchard. Ming/Haku was cool so was terry taylor(red rooster) Arn Anderson either way.
No one cares
sorry to hear no one cares about you.
Right and I talk to the Pope every weekend at the same bar
What?? No no Shawn already had the torch he was the man in 1996 and 1997. Bret didn't want to drop the title in Canada because he knew that canadian fans would curse Vince's name until we get to heaven.
He didn't want to drop the belt at SS97 because HBK was disrespectful to him back stage at a house show.
I'm not arguing whether Bret did the right thing or not by seeking another contract, what I'm saying is Bret always CLAIMED to be "loyal" yet he had meetings behind Vince's knowledge. Bottomline a true loyal person does not do this no matter how you spin it. Don't blame WCW for Bret's failure, he was let go by Vince because he was EXPENDABLE & some months later Vince's decision to go with the younger talent was proven correct. When Bret came into WCW he did have the highest contract at the time
bret hart is not perfect but hes a honest man something you cant say about most of the wrestlers
bret v hulk would have been epic
The WWE is a company, Vince is the owner right, what do you do in the company you work, you do what your boss tell you to do if you don't want to do it then the boss will take matters, as simple as that.
Bret hart is a mark to himself n vince knew that and played off of it
Austin never drew more money than Hulk Hogan. They can claim that only if you do not adjust for inflation. They say that the Austin 3:16 shirt sold the most in WWE. But shirts over all (Hogan always had no less than 4 shirts at a time) Hogan sold more. Plus the nWo shirt is the TRUE highest selling wrestling shirt of all time. Hogan is the man that took WWE from gymnasiums and hotel ballrooms to 93,000 + seat arenas. Austin road the wave of popularity of the Monday Night War.
Never once did I say he did everyting he was told. You need to read in context what I said is when he was told to JOB he would do it, like we stated before if you ask Vince if Shawn ever refused to job when Vince told him you would get a resounding NO.
Because, first it's Vince's call, nobody elses, second and most important those two situations happened when Vince was not on the ropes in a war with Turner & WCW who was hell bent in putting him out of business.
yeah that is the reason why the Screwjob was such serious news
to anyone in the States they think it is nothing but entertainment but in Canada they actually take their wrestlers seriously and revere them
"Apparently WWE wants to release a Bret Hart compilation DVD set and tie it in with his return to the storylines. The DVD would feature Bret's favorite matches and commentary from him." Are you ready for the hypocracy to come back? Told you so, he is all about the money.
I can understand Bret's case, he was considered a hero in Canada, & he wanted 2 go out on top a la MJ. he IS Canada's Greatest Athlete, not Iron Mike Sharpe, LOL. now that U mentioned it, I do remember reading that Hogan wrestled totally different in Japan than he did in the states, so I stand corrected, I had 2 go find "Showdown: Legends of Wrestling" just 2 make that match happen, & it did in the finals of a tournament that I was playing as Bret.
you still there? your comment is 12 years old
As an 80s kid,Brett and anvil we're cool an fun to watch,but shit happens he should be happy he was anybody.
Furthermore in his book he tells when the WWF and Owens wife came to an agreement on the law suit instead of asking are you ok with it the settlement HE GET"S PISSED AT HER and the frist two things he asks is HOW MUCH ARE YOU GETTING and did they say anything about my LIBRARY! This is in his book I'm not BS you INCREDIBLE. Naturaly the she said the lawyers said that was not discussed. HOW COULD IT? For Bret it was all about him and his grudge with Vince.
I was just summarzing what Bret said. He said in both his book and his dvd, he trained particularly hard and purposely tried to tire out Michaels to make himself look better.
Considering Shawn was being put over, that was pretty unprofessional to attempt to make himself look better.
I like Bret but I do agree with you.
Actually he did, he admits it even before he wrote his book. It was well known after the fact that Bischoff & Bret had had SECRET meetings in 1996, not to mention in 1990 when he seeked a contract with WCW but didn't know his own WWF contract so he couldn't go anywhere. He went back to Vince after he had a verbal offer from Bischoff & played Vince to get him that ridiculous contract of 20 yrs. Making him the highest paid wrestler in the WWF but it was all started & schemed behind Vince's back.
So now Bret says Vince changed it to a non title match? Before he said Hogan just refused to lose. Bret can't even keep his own stories straight. At least he admitted that he was out for money.
There is a big difference, Michaels never CLAIMED to everyone that he was "LOYAL" like Bret did. When push came to shove Bret took the WCW deal even though he had a contract with the WWF that even if Vince didn't want him, he HAD TO PAY HIM it was a written contract. Bottomline, Bret saw the writing on the wall, he would NO LONGER be the top star because the WWF was going in another direction that was a big blow to his HUGE ego so he took the big payoff in WCW.
Ok, myopic is not seeing farther than their own little world. It's Vince's show not Bret's.