I think staying in college and finishing the degree is definitely the right decision! As you mentioned, having a degree will help open doors for you with future employers, even if you end up applying for jobs in the future that don't directly relate to coding. Good luck for your classes in the New Year! You seem very smart and motivated so I have this feeling that despite all of the difficulties you've been going through that you are going to make it and end up with a successful career. :)
Sounds like you have a solid plan for what you want and the direction you want to go. Keep your head up, don’t let to many peoples negative thoughts get to you and think it’s not worth it.
wow that's insane how even one assignment below 70% is an auto-failure of that class, i've never even heard of that. i can see why u didn't take the same prof again haha. i avoided profs like that like the plague during my degree. that's good that ur doing personal projects on the side, really good idea and along with allowing u to expand ur skillset, it also serves as a great resume booster. in my experience, employers focus on stuff like that before the actual degree if u list them on ur resume, since it shows that ur willing to go beyond what's just taught in classes. best of luck!
Sophomore year going for my Bachelors in Computer Science with a concentration in Software Engineering, though I am 29 so I started a bit late, it has been very worth it so far. I chose to work before college since I knew I would have to pay for it, I agree with many of your takes in the video. I am hopeful for the future, your future as well!
Thank you I appreciate that! I am hopeful for both of our futures as well! That is great that you decided to go back to school! I was only 22 when I started, but I still started later than a lot of people do. The way I see it though is that if it's something that I want to do it's better to start a bit late than never! Also saving up money first before school was definitely a wise decision.
I’m going to UW-Green bay not going to lie the job outcomes for most of the bachelors CS students are pretty bad. Only about half or less are able to get software engineering roles. Many went into IT or had to take a help desk job. Also 2 of my friends tried to do cybersecurity at the local technical college LTC and dropped out lmao. The market here isn’t as strong for tech jobs unfortunately. The validvictorian of one the local highschools also went to college got a full ride scholarship for CS. She has been unemployed/underemployed 1-2 years. It is so bad out here in Wisconsin🙏🏻. I’m praying for you. You can still get jobs but either you will need to do IT/help desk or really grind hard to get good at software development.
Yeah what you’re saying definitely aligns with what I have been hearing from others in Wisconsin also. It’s rough out here. I just hope that this degree will help me somehow in some way. I’m trying to hold out hope.
I’ve been learning software development with an online program called “The Odin Project”. It’s been great so far. Good luck in school. Finish your degree!
I'm pursuing a second BS degree in CS and have about a year left. I'm going to stick with it regardless of what the market does -- just having the degree itself will open up more doors and avenues for careers and jobs than just being a SWE (this is the case for STEM degrees in general).
@@JamesStansell No, I mean using the CS degree to work in a litany of other roles aside from just being a SWE or developer (like other IT roles still in demand). One can also technically become a SWE/dev without a degree, it's just much harder and nowadays is incredibly unlikely.
My father is a lead programmer and he never got a degree... but he started many years ago. I'd imagine the market today is more snobbish about credentials which is a shame. In the medical field I have known diploma nurses who were way better at their job than nurses with master's degrees. Unfortunately I think it will only move farther in the credential-snobbish direction as time progresses. Health issues? I'm so sorry to hear that! I'm happy to hear you're pacing yourself! It takes a strong person to be able to recognize and admit that sometimes they should slow down. Good for you! Health is always the most important thing and no job, no school, no person is ever worth harming your health over. Best of luck :)
One of the best programmer's I worked with did not have a degree and he sometimes got grief from the HR dept. That was in the early 90's. The bigger companies are likely to want a degree for any kind of professional position.
I started working professionally as a software engineer in 2022 and just got a new job this year without a degree. I know the market is difficult but its doable and there are still plenty of companies that hire without degrees. Best thing I can say to anyone looking is get out there and meet people. Go to meetups, making connections and establish genuine friendships. Good luck to everyone!
@@JamesStansell Similar at my place of work, he had worked in the mail room of all places and actually worked his way up. He only got screwed over at the final big promotion due to corporate bs where he sort of had to divorce himself from all the social bs when his children were born. Nevertheless, if you need something done, you go to him.
That blood sweat and tears is going to be clear to a future employer that you are interested in working for. Stick with it, dedication and learning logical thinking will get you further than you imagine. It's vital all across business. And that instructor is in the wrong profession.
Thank you for sharing, you got this! Software development is a critical skill. Trust me. Mastering it demonstrates analytics, competence and logic - something a lot of people in the field actually lack (believe me I know first hand). Its those who've worked hard that will be keeping the ship afloat. That teacher sounds like he kind of sucks.
I feel like learning would be most effective if the first priority is personal projects, and school is the second priority. I did that and by the time I went to school, school lessons were a joke, as my own projects led me to the actual mastery of the skill. If school is the first priority I feel like there is a false sense of ability and it's expensive and you can get trapped in that world instead of the profitable world. Good luck. Thanks for sharing.
Yep. I hate the school programming assignments where I have to program the most ridiculous garbage (like a program that calculates the dimensions of a spherocylinder -- WTF...) instead of something useful like an app or program others would actually want to use.
Software development is a really stressfull career, it does pay well yeah, but you really really gotta love it to be doing it for the rest of your life, what made you choose that career path? Most software developers are actually self taught, I mean they teach you the basics at school but you will be most likely studying for yourself for the rest of your life if you want to be relevant, technologies evolve so fast nowdays, if you know you will have to be studying, learning and always updated beside working long hours, and you are sure you can handle stress and anxiety easily because you do stress relief activities, and keep a healthy lifestyle then you will be fine. You say you love coding, don't worry about your teachers like I said you will most likely learn on your own after you are done with school 😂 and probably study stuff they didn't teach you at school
Instead of vanilla JavaScript, you are better off focusing on TypeScript and React for client-side skills. At least that's what we used to hire for when job market was better. :)
Thats terrible advice. She should learn the basics of vanilaJS then go to TS. Then a framework. I've seem so many people who don't know the basics abd just use frameworks. Hell one kid I used to work with thought React was JS instead of JS being used to create Reavt. Stick to the basics
How are bootcamps in the states? (assuming you are from the states here with that marvelous english :D) In sweden you have some bootcamps that are 3 months and guarantees you jobs after as a developer. Though I must say the market does start to look rough over here too now.
It's been "rough" forever. These 3 month bootcamps are hard to get into, only top 1% of country's intelligent people get in, and when they do it's the impossible task of learning 5 years PhD professor level that the companies are expecting from these "engineers". So bootcamps companies are painting a false picture of reality. Btw, the statistics in sweden of "90% get a job" are nonsense that need to be investigated further. The shortage of workers has always been a scam. There need to be laws against these con-artist mafia that is masquerading as a company.
Have you thought about changing to computer engineering or electrical engineering? Granted, those majors are getting hard as time progresses, but getting a job is easier. Just so you know, I cold apply and was able to get interviews, but my friends as CS majors still have yet to get a reply.
Honestly.. the worst part of the programming classes is the crappy textbooks. If you want to pick up really good books that are super easy to follow and put you way ahead of the class pick up the "Teach Yourself Visually HTML CSS" All the teach yourself visually is like almost cheating. It's like the old "cliff notes" books but for programming. And you don't need to use Microsoft Visual Studios for that crap either. Just stick to something like notepad on any old pc and then save the file as a .html istead of .txt. HTML and Javascript is so much easier that way.. It makes you do the debugging yourself so you don't make many errors wiith syntax.
I'm doing this. 1. Finish my degree 2. Do extra curric fun stuff with coding-no pressure 3. Have a plan B (starting now) I'm not hopeful I will get a job frankly. So I'm considering other options without quitting.
Dear Del, I believe you would benefit from getting to learn how Nostr works and the solutions the users of the protocol and its clients are looking for, as much as what the developers around there have been working on.
I was in a similar situation, getting an associates in a program I didn't really like, and because of some math requirements, it was going to take more than 2 years. I'd recommend looking into Western Governors University, its a self paced online program. It took me 3 years to finish my degree in Software Engineering, when I would just have my associates in the same time otherwise.
Also had some issues with my first programming course in my software engineering degree. Got together with other students and sent complaints to people in charge of the faculty and our student comitee/organisation. Nothing really happend at first, but a year later the lecturer no longer taught the class and we all retook it.
I’m glad that you and your classmates were able to do something about them! Me and my classmates went to the dean about this professor and we’re hopeful something will be done.
If you get actually good at not only programming but software development you'll likely get a job or at worse build your own things that can generate you an income. As you already know and tell us in these videos, programming and software development is hard but it's also a valuable skill not everyone can ACTUALLY do good so there's a demand for it. Don't worry about getting a job!
Del, I recorded all my lectures during the pandemic. They're more CS fundamentals than coding, but if you're interested, reach out, and I'll send you a link. The fact that you say you're in this primarily because you love it and that you want to spread your wings and learn more on your own tells me you're exactly the kind of student I like to have.
I'm 27 and starting a Software Engineering degree in 2025. You are young, the thing is if you really likes software engineering you should whatever it takes to get there
Yea, I had the same experience with a comp security class. I think its bc every year the school reddit/discord said it was a super easy course, so this time the department decided they needed to lower the pass rate from 400 students to like 4 🙃. Kinda just unlucky & have to take course diff time or overwork urself Do internships!! Job market is very doomed and main thing they ask for entry level jobs is like 5 years of work experience 💀. Your internship is the most valuable piece in ur resume, and if u do well u can also get job offers at those internships ! For online learning, I only know things that take too long like The Odin Project. TH-cam works tho if u already have a curriculum from class or that u found online, so u know which topics to search up using that curriculum Other than that, I often hear there are very highly rated Udemy courses for like $25 that go above and beyond. I am sure there is a course like this for frontend that covers even beyond plain html css js. Also dont fall for the 'limited time offer' texts on Udemy. if you let offer expire and open same link in incognito tab, you will still see offer Also good luck dont give up keep going 🙂👍
I'm so confused, comments are from 9 days ago, video is from 2 days ago. Am I stupid? But yeah, get a degree; it's basically a diploma/certificate that never expires. Shows you can commit to something long term. Everything after that (and even during/before that) is experience. A degree is supplementary, not subtractive.
I was thinking about if you want to be a web developer , you dont need a bachelor degree. But if you want to work like AI Developer, EV Software Developer , Data Science or another role with math, the better is to study a bachelor degree.
@@TheRightTriangle00-x2g Because of some health issues I’ve been dealing with I’m planning on cutting back to only two classes this semester. Advanced .NET and Software Architecture are what the classes are called.
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Uncertainty is not an issue for females in CS because most companies have diversity quotas so they actively try to recruit females even though the credentials might not be fully there so you should not fear being unemployed because you will be hired very quickly because you are a woman in CS.
Go to community college and get your GenEds out of the way. Just make sure the classes transfer. It's also more cost effective and universities have transfer scholarships for transfer students.
You need at least 2 years after high school (i.e., AA degree), or be satisfied with a minimum wage job for the rest of your life. I am guessing that 70+ % of the well paying jobs require at least a 4-year degree. But right now you should be trying to figure out what you want to do. Focusing on math will help you with any tech degree you end up pursuing.
im about 1/3 of the way through this video but gonna comment anyway. youre spot on dude, it sounds like youre in community college, which i did and had the same experience with shit teachers and assignments etc. this is coming from somebody who was already working as a developer at the time and knew how to code beforehand. the assignments were crazy complicated and made no sense, our teacher hasnt ever even held a developer position before and almost all of his advice was either outdated or flat out wrong. like he told us that if a developer has an issue with their work, its the managers job to complete the work for them... wtf? i think people who arent going through this wont understand how stupid and frustrating this is and think youre crying about it. which you have every right to if youre paying money for a class. of course you gotta teach yourself some stuff but teachers are there to assist you, not be a blocker. ive noticed community colleges or smaller schools have this issue due to low funds and being out of touch with the industry. my final year we had a professor who came in and saw these problems and we grouped up with him and got the courses and stuff changed for future students. but i feel you dude, just push through it and try not to burn out. if youre able to push through a shitty program that shows that youre not a quitter edit: i have an associates and i got a job, if you have options for internships take advantage of that. it can help a ton
Yes I am going to a community college. It really sucks that you had a similar experience, but it’s also really nice to get to speak with someone who understands what I’m dealing with here 😭 It has not been a good time. It’s encouraging hear that you were able to find a job though. Your experience sounds so similar to mine! I didn’t have any experience with coding going into this and I’ve learned the hard way that with some of this stuff you just have to know before going into it even if it is advertised as for beginners.
@ this was my second time going to college so i already knew what to expect. I knew i was going to teach myself. But the stress was really bad to where id physically get sick at from some classes. I genuinely didnt think id pass math or the mobile app dev classes because of the insane work load. Its rough but youll make it
@@retrorewind6042 I completely relate, I've gotten stressed to the point of throwing up...Because of the class that I mentioned in this video, it was that bad. I refuse to have that professor again lol. But my plan is to keep pushing through with classes and trying to teach myself stuff on the side and hopefully I'll be able to make this workout for me eventually.
@@diaryofdelilah once you graduate youll have that weight lifted off your shoulders. Getting a job might be rough, but try to get an internship and try to apply even at low paying local jobs, or just a tech role in general to get your foot in the door, and work on personal projects like a website or an app in your free time. Im a bit nervous too about getting laid off, but it seems like every office type job has this problem right now, not just CS
I was always a B/B+ student. I always had to work while in school, unless you have 100% of your time and energy for study, expecting a 4.0 is pretty tough.
I have been working while I’m in school and it is extremely difficult to maintain a 4.0 GPA. I have made a lot of sacrifices even at the expense of my health and well being, and I don’t really feel like it’s worth it. I will keep taking my school seriously as I move forward, but not to the extreme that I had been because it has taken a major toll on me.
Great to have a high standard for yourself, but yes, taking care of your health has to be above all. Just feel good knowing you made your best effort for your circumstances. A similar thing can happen after graduation in the professional job/career world, you can get so caught up trying to be perfect at your job that your health deteriorates and you risk a nervous breakdown or sinking into depression. Cool channel btw, renewed my interest in coding a little. Never became an expert at it but Javascript was fun to learn about. Jonas Schmedtman's Udemy course is a great resource imo.
Job is uncertain but you can get a job as a Software it will not be lost as a job ... it's not possible ... new ways of programming will come and still this skills that you build right now ... they will pay off ... finish the degree ... associate or bachelor doesn't matter in Software ... the degree can help you get better job and remember the employee will get benefits and tax returns from your degree ... when you don't have a degree it's a little bit pain in the ass in the IRS ... not that you can not get a degree without a job ... but the degree will help you a lot ...
Can you please say what college or what program ur doing? Im genuinely curious. I won't lie to you, you should've looked into WGU. But, then again. You like what, 21? When you started? So, I don't really blame you I guess. You're genuinely wasting so much time, please. PLEASE look into different things. It's nowhere near too late at 24/25. I'd suggest doing research into WGU's Comp Sci. program. Over 2 years for an associate & the false advertising genuinely almost makes me think you're getting scammed.
We had to do this and eventually got the teacher fired, but it took months and several people to complain. Crazy how colleges can have such low standards despite costing a ton
A lot of us have reached out to the dean and it sounds like the dean is going to do something about this professor, but it’s unfortunately a pretty slow process.
I make plenty of money without a degree, and I'm going to get a cybersecurity one. I'm basically saving 4 grand a month. Most people aren't in my situation, but I can tell you right now. You most likely should be pursuing more of a influencing career, along with your Experience on getting Your degree, and you will probably explode. In the next 2 years, maybe not be a dragon youtuber, but seriously, you could make some money easily. As a side, income from making a video or two a week. Just get more consistent with your videos, and i'm pretty sure you'll start making some money if you haven't already
would of learned more from a couple Udemy courses on html and css and javascript… just saying. Sometimes can get a Udemy course for $10 when it’s on sale
You're very right, I learned basically nothing in this class that I spent an insane amount of money on. And wow $10 is pretty cheap, I'll have to look into that.
Honestly, I don't. Think there's any point to say this because I think my old account got banned for some reason on this channel.And the funny thing is I never said anything bad in my comments. I'm an Amazon worker and I make around 4 grand a month in savings. I work 72 hours a week. And I'm about to go to college for cybersecurity. I don't think in any of my comments that I've stated anything bad. In fact, I think I've stood good things about this channel. It could just be TH-cam that ban this account who knows But anyways. If you focus on making youtube videos, along with your journey on going to college, you could honestly make influencing your job. Think of it as a nice little side job working in tech I'm saving 4 grand a month. And most people aren't doing that. When I get into my cyber security jobs, I could easily make sixty k and save majority of it. The funny thing is, i'm making around sixty k right now.Anyways, with these two jobs, I'll just make it with one. But most people aren't looking to work as much as i'm wanting to have as much money as I want. But anyways best of luck to you
Did you look up that professor on ratemyprofessor before registering for that class? Also, it would be cool to see some coding tutorials or some walkthroughs of some of your personal projects in your upcoming videos.
In lieu of a whole schpiel about my life, I want to say, prioritize your health/not spending your whole nut on school. For right now. As far as the path you are on academically, longterm, I would say, it chose you. Your intellect is clearly razor sharp, and to squander that would be a straightup sin. So maybe look at monetizing this channel now that you've got some attention on it, and maybe even a Patreon. That way you wouldn't have to stress quite so much. Just ideas. I've got lots.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I definitely would like to get my channel monetized at some point, hopefully if I keep at it it’ll continue to grow.
@@diaryofdelilah to put things in perspective, I'm over here struggling to set up to work through this old book I have on C. My addled 47yo ass is like "hmmm maybe I can chat someone up at an internet cafe who'll take me under their wing". I don't know how well received that'd be.
Oh, silly! Colleges were designed for people to find a partner and learn to work in a team. I was at least cheating and exchanging assignments, but it seems you failed every task. Did anyone say you're not good enough for a job? Probably nobody told you that you should learn to lie like a marketer and cope with rejections like a salesperson after acquiring your hard skills.
you are better of start learning hunting, or nursing. dev jobs are dead, dont waste your time. maybe you can work as robot enhancer for while, until they enhance them self.
Self-teaching is a must in Software However, beginners really need some guidance to build the proper foundation sad you got a bad teacher Wish you meet only good teachers/mentors starting from now ))
Are you referencing the project I had to do for an assignment that I mentioned in my previous video? If so no I will not be creating that as a personal project 😂 That project had to fit very specific criteria and I ended up changing that to be some stupid game where users could create custom cakes lol. It was pretty dumb but again it had to fit specific criteria and it’s not something I would ever show off to employers 😂
Or ever want to work on in my free time that’s for sure 😂 I have much better ideas for my own stuff. I was just forced to make something kinda stupid to get a good grade.
@@AbelAbate-i9o Lol the things I have to do in college to get good grades 😂😂 I got an A though, it was exactly what the professor was looking for. Definitely am looking forward to creating better things on my own though.
@@diaryofdelilah hey, just coming back here with another job thought. So right now software is in a pretty bad spot, like I said in my comment on your other video. Eventually it will get better. So if you're sticking it out in tech, and want to get a tech job, but can't find a dev job, the systems administration route might be good to keep your foot in the tech door. I've been in tech for 20+ years at this point, and historically what you'd hear is that tech has two paths: Developers and Systems Administrators, and never shall the two meet. But, modern systems administration looks a lot like a developer position. Most sys admin roles require experience or knowledge of Python, PowerShell (big one in the industry, if you're in C#, PowerShell will likely be VERY familiar), Bash, etc.. A lot of companies invest heavily in "infrastructure-as-code" these days. Tools like Ansible will help sys admins spin up new servers quickly, and accurately. Last I heard, Target had the largest Ansible infrastructure in the country. Anyways. That's basically my thought. Hit me up if you want to know more.
@@lifeofaproblemsolver479 ive been a professional dev for a while. I have never ever found use for assembly or even C at work or in my projects, and i learned C when i started. Theres almost no reason anyone should learn assembly, saying that is pretty misleading, and C is pretty much the same for most developers. Times have changed, not being able to know that is pretty ignorant and a sign that youre out of touch
Such victum personality. In our uni we had to 0 knowledge of of web dev and in that sem we had to learn html,css,tailwind,bootstrap,javascript,nodejs,mongo db, rreact,,mysql and some other I am forgetting in web dev class and we had 5 other courses in 6 months. Our teacher didnot teach a single concept we had to buy udemy courses.
Sure, having 0 knowledge going in and having to learn a lot in a short time is fine. However, the parts regarding this meant to be an associates degree but taking 4 years is alarming. Furthermore, just because you're getting screwed "had to buy udemy courses" doesn't mean that it is right, and people should just accept getting scammed.
You should watch some stuff online, there are very good tutorials for beginners when it comes to front end etc, and the basics are the most important, and rethink what you wanna do for sure, cause from what you said you "i don't know", that can be a big problem since learning programming is long term, and it never stops cause you then adapt to new frameworks, platforms etc.
I think staying in college and finishing the degree is definitely the right decision! As you mentioned, having a degree will help open doors for you with future employers, even if you end up applying for jobs in the future that don't directly relate to coding. Good luck for your classes in the New Year! You seem very smart and motivated so I have this feeling that despite all of the difficulties you've been going through that you are going to make it and end up with a successful career. :)
Thank you, that means a lot and is really encouraging to hear! :)
Glad to hear you are sticking with it, teaching it to yourself is a great idea! Best of luck!
Thank you!
Sounds like you have a solid plan for what you want and the direction you want to go. Keep your head up, don’t let to many peoples negative thoughts get to you and think it’s not worth it.
That is encouraging, thank you!
I can tell you’re incredibly smart. Good for you for not giving up!!
Thank you!
That's the spirit! Way to go!
wow that's insane how even one assignment below 70% is an auto-failure of that class, i've never even heard of that. i can see why u didn't take the same prof again haha. i avoided profs like that like the plague during my degree.
that's good that ur doing personal projects on the side, really good idea and along with allowing u to expand ur skillset, it also serves as a great resume booster. in my experience, employers focus on stuff like that before the actual degree if u list them on ur resume, since it shows that ur willing to go beyond what's just taught in classes. best of luck!
yeah, not even PhD courses have such high bars to pass
Yeah the 70% on all assignments rule definitely is a bit much in my opinion lol. Thank you for the advice and kind words!
Sophomore year going for my Bachelors in Computer Science with a concentration in Software Engineering, though I am 29 so I started a bit late, it has been very worth it so far. I chose to work before college since I knew I would have to pay for it, I agree with many of your takes in the video. I am hopeful for the future, your future as well!
Thank you I appreciate that! I am hopeful for both of our futures as well! That is great that you decided to go back to school! I was only 22 when I started, but I still started later than a lot of people do. The way I see it though is that if it's something that I want to do it's better to start a bit late than never! Also saving up money first before school was definitely a wise decision.
I’m going to UW-Green bay not going to lie the job outcomes for most of the bachelors CS students are pretty bad. Only about half or less are able to get software engineering roles. Many went into IT or had to take a help desk job.
Also 2 of my friends tried to do cybersecurity at the local technical college LTC and dropped out lmao. The market here isn’t as strong for tech jobs unfortunately.
The validvictorian of one the local highschools also went to college got a full ride scholarship for CS. She has been unemployed/underemployed 1-2 years.
It is so bad out here in Wisconsin🙏🏻. I’m praying for you. You can still get jobs but either you will need to do IT/help desk or really grind hard to get good at software development.
Yeah what you’re saying definitely aligns with what I have been hearing from others in Wisconsin also. It’s rough out here. I just hope that this degree will help me somehow in some way. I’m trying to hold out hope.
I’ve been learning software development with an online program called “The Odin Project”. It’s been great so far. Good luck in school. Finish your degree!
I'm pursuing a second BS degree in CS and have about a year left. I'm going to stick with it regardless of what the market does -- just having the degree itself will open up more doors and avenues for careers and jobs than just being a SWE (this is the case for STEM degrees in general).
Do you mean being a software engineer without a degree? I wouldn't have guessed that was possible.
@@JamesStansell No, I mean using the CS degree to work in a litany of other roles aside from just being a SWE or developer (like other IT roles still in demand). One can also technically become a SWE/dev without a degree, it's just much harder and nowadays is incredibly unlikely.
@@Slowly_We_Rot oh, right! I agree with you about that.
That is a good point! It definitely does have the possibility to open up more doors! Good for you for sticking with it!
My father is a lead programmer and he never got a degree... but he started many years ago. I'd imagine the market today is more snobbish about credentials which is a shame. In the medical field I have known diploma nurses who were way better at their job than nurses with master's degrees. Unfortunately I think it will only move farther in the credential-snobbish direction as time progresses. Health issues? I'm so sorry to hear that! I'm happy to hear you're pacing yourself! It takes a strong person to be able to recognize and admit that sometimes they should slow down. Good for you! Health is always the most important thing and no job, no school, no person is ever worth harming your health over. Best of luck :)
One of the best programmer's I worked with did not have a degree and he sometimes got grief from the HR dept. That was in the early 90's. The bigger companies are likely to want a degree for any kind of professional position.
I started working professionally as a software engineer in 2022 and just got a new job this year without a degree. I know the market is difficult but its doable and there are still plenty of companies that hire without degrees. Best thing I can say to anyone looking is get out there and meet people. Go to meetups, making connections and establish genuine friendships. Good luck to everyone!
@@JamesStansell Similar at my place of work, he had worked in the mail room of all places and actually worked his way up. He only got screwed over at the final big promotion due to corporate bs where he sort of had to divorce himself from all the social bs when his children were born. Nevertheless, if you need something done, you go to him.
What you get out of your career is mostly determined by how bad you want it and what you're willing to sacrifice to get it.
Very good point
One word: luck.
Real @@hanzo7616
Absolutely spot on my friend.
That blood sweat and tears is going to be clear to a future employer that you are interested in working for. Stick with it, dedication and learning logical thinking will get you further than you imagine. It's vital all across business.
And that instructor is in the wrong profession.
This is really encouraging to me, thank you! I appreciate the kind words. I also agree that this instructor is in the wrong profession.
Thank you for sharing, you got this! Software development is a critical skill. Trust me. Mastering it demonstrates analytics, competence and logic - something a lot of people in the field actually lack (believe me I know first hand). Its those who've worked hard that will be keeping the ship afloat. That teacher sounds like he kind of sucks.
Thank you for the kind words! And yes this teacher definitely isn’t great lol.
I feel like learning would be most effective if the first priority is personal projects, and school is the second priority. I did that and by the time I went to school, school lessons were a joke, as my own projects led me to the actual mastery of the skill. If school is the first priority I feel like there is a false sense of ability and it's expensive and you can get trapped in that world instead of the profitable world. Good luck. Thanks for sharing.
Yep. I hate the school programming assignments where I have to program the most ridiculous garbage (like a program that calculates the dimensions of a spherocylinder -- WTF...) instead of something useful like an app or program others would actually want to use.
Thank you! I completely agree with what you’re saying.
Software development is a really stressfull career, it does pay well yeah, but you really really gotta love it to be doing it for the rest of your life, what made you choose that career path? Most software developers are actually self taught, I mean they teach you the basics at school but you will be most likely studying for yourself for the rest of your life if you want to be relevant, technologies evolve so fast nowdays, if you know you will have to be studying, learning and always updated beside working long hours, and you are sure you can handle stress and anxiety easily because you do stress relief activities, and keep a healthy lifestyle then you will be fine. You say you love coding, don't worry about your teachers like I said you will most likely learn on your own after you are done with school 😂 and probably study stuff they didn't teach you at school
Instead of vanilla JavaScript, you are better off focusing on TypeScript and React for client-side skills. At least that's what we used to hire for when job market was better. :)
"when the job market was better" - Thx for chiming in. 😂😂
Thats terrible advice. She should learn the basics of vanilaJS then go to TS. Then a framework. I've seem so many people who don't know the basics abd just use frameworks. Hell one kid I used to work with thought React was JS instead of JS being used to create Reavt. Stick to the basics
Good luck on your journey!
Thank you! Appreciate it!
It's great that you enjoy coding. I love it. Been doing it for 35 years. I sincerely hope you can find a career as a coder.
That means a lot to me, thanks! I really hope so too! I’m glad that you are able to do something that you love!
How are bootcamps in the states? (assuming you are from the states here with that marvelous english :D) In sweden you have some bootcamps that are 3 months and guarantees you jobs after as a developer. Though I must say the market does start to look rough over here too now.
It's been "rough" forever. These 3 month bootcamps are hard to get into, only top 1% of country's intelligent people get in, and when they do it's the impossible task of learning 5 years PhD professor level that the companies are expecting from these "engineers". So bootcamps companies are painting a false picture of reality. Btw, the statistics in sweden of "90% get a job" are nonsense that need to be investigated further. The shortage of workers has always been a scam. There need to be laws against these con-artist mafia that is masquerading as a company.
Have you thought about changing to computer engineering or electrical engineering? Granted, those majors are getting hard as time progresses, but getting a job is easier. Just so you know, I cold apply and was able to get interviews, but my friends as CS majors still have yet to get a reply.
Thanks for the insight! It is definitely something to think about.
Honestly.. the worst part of the programming classes is the crappy textbooks. If you want to pick up really good books that are super easy to follow and put you way ahead of the class pick up the "Teach Yourself Visually HTML CSS" All the teach yourself visually is like almost cheating. It's like the old "cliff notes" books but for programming. And you don't need to use Microsoft Visual Studios for that crap either. Just stick to something like notepad on any old pc and then save the file as a .html istead of .txt. HTML and Javascript is so much easier that way.. It makes you do the debugging yourself so you don't make many errors wiith syntax.
I'm doing this.
1. Finish my degree
2. Do extra curric fun stuff with coding-no pressure
3. Have a plan B (starting now)
I'm not hopeful I will get a job frankly. So I'm considering other options without quitting.
Dear Del,
I believe you would benefit from getting to learn how Nostr works and the solutions the users of the protocol and its clients are looking for, as much as what the developers around there have been working on.
I was in a similar situation, getting an associates in a program I didn't really like, and because of some math requirements, it was going to take more than 2 years. I'd recommend looking into Western Governors University, its a self paced online program. It took me 3 years to finish my degree in Software Engineering, when I would just have my associates in the same time otherwise.
I will have to look into Western Governors University!
Professional JavaScript for Web Developers - Matt Frisbie, was how I learned JS. Outstanding book. Best wishes to you.
Eloquent JS is amazing as well
I’ll check it out, thanks!
Did you learn API's and cloud stuff? How did you find CI/CD?
Good luck!
lol'd at the Star Wars reference
you're so pretty
If all of the instructor's students are failing, that instructor won't be in that position for very long
From what I’ve heard it sounds like the dean is going to take action and do something about him.
Also had some issues with my first programming course in my software engineering degree. Got together with other students and sent complaints to people in charge of the faculty and our student comitee/organisation. Nothing really happend at first, but a year later the lecturer no longer taught the class and we all retook it.
I’m glad that you and your classmates were able to do something about them! Me and my classmates went to the dean about this professor and we’re hopeful something will be done.
If you get actually good at not only programming but software development you'll likely get a job or at worse build your own things that can generate you an income. As you already know and tell us in these videos, programming and software development is hard but it's also a valuable skill not everyone can ACTUALLY do good so there's a demand for it. Don't worry about getting a job!
That is encouraging to hear, thank you!
Del, I recorded all my lectures during the pandemic. They're more CS fundamentals than coding, but if you're interested, reach out, and I'll send you a link. The fact that you say you're in this primarily because you love it and that you want to spread your wings and learn more on your own tells me you're exactly the kind of student I like to have.
I definitely would be interested in viewing your lectures, thanks!
I'm 27 and starting a Software Engineering degree in 2025. You are young, the thing is if you really likes software engineering you should whatever it takes to get there
That is a good point.
Hope you overcome your health issues. Keep going with your education. It will work out for you.
Thank you so much!
Yea, I had the same experience with a comp security class.
I think its bc every year the school reddit/discord said it was a super easy course, so this time the department decided they needed to lower the pass rate from 400 students to like 4 🙃. Kinda just unlucky & have to take course diff time or overwork urself
Do internships!! Job market is very doomed and main thing they ask for entry level jobs is like 5 years of work experience 💀.
Your internship is the most valuable piece in ur resume, and if u do well u can also get job offers at those internships !
For online learning, I only know things that take too long like The Odin Project.
TH-cam works tho if u already have a curriculum from class or that u found online, so u know which topics to search up using that curriculum
Other than that, I often hear there are very highly rated Udemy courses for like $25 that go above and beyond. I am sure there is a course like this for frontend that covers even beyond plain html css js. Also dont fall for the 'limited time offer' texts on Udemy. if you let offer expire and open same link in incognito tab, you will still see offer
Also good luck dont give up keep going 🙂👍
I'm so confused, comments are from 9 days ago, video is from 2 days ago. Am I stupid? But yeah, get a degree; it's basically a diploma/certificate that never expires. Shows you can commit to something long term. Everything after that (and even during/before that) is experience. A degree is supplementary, not subtractive.
I was thinking about if you want to be a web developer , you dont need a bachelor degree. But if you want to work like AI Developer, EV Software Developer , Data Science or another role with math, the better is to study a bachelor degree.
Thanks for the insight!
if you have < 2 years left to graduate ... finish it ... otherwise switch to Math, Science, or healthcare OR drop out
Pretty much
Better switch to a related field like networking
I have about 2 years left the way things are going, maybe a little less.
@@diaryofdelilahWhat classes are you taking next?
@@TheRightTriangle00-x2g Because of some health issues I’ve been dealing with I’m planning on cutting back to only two classes this semester. Advanced .NET and Software Architecture are what the classes are called.
Uncertainty is not an issue for females in CS because most companies have diversity quotas so they actively try to recruit females even though the credentials might not be fully there so you should not fear being unemployed because you will be hired very quickly because you are a woman in CS.
Well, I should probably pack up my things and go home
That might be a good idea
I think you have a great future. I would hire you!
This is encouraging to hear, thank you!
To be honest I'm in junior in high school and i'm thinking whether i want to go to college or just start a job
skip college, work, and use AI to teach yourself something hard on the side
Go to community college and get your GenEds out of the way. Just make sure the classes transfer. It's also more cost effective and universities have transfer scholarships for transfer students.
You need at least 2 years after high school (i.e., AA degree), or be satisfied with a minimum wage job for the rest of your life. I am guessing that 70+ % of the well paying jobs require at least a 4-year degree. But right now you should be trying to figure out what you want to do. Focusing on math will help you with any tech degree you end up pursuing.
This is definitely a tough question and something I had to seriously contemplate as well.
Maybe you could set up a discord if you want to talk about code stuff and get feedback / continue learning that way.
That is a good idea
Feel free to ban toxic comments!
I wanna develop a language learn app social media that doesn't turn into tinder lol
im about 1/3 of the way through this video but gonna comment anyway. youre spot on dude, it sounds like youre in community college, which i did and had the same experience with shit teachers and assignments etc. this is coming from somebody who was already working as a developer at the time and knew how to code beforehand. the assignments were crazy complicated and made no sense, our teacher hasnt ever even held a developer position before and almost all of his advice was either outdated or flat out wrong. like he told us that if a developer has an issue with their work, its the managers job to complete the work for them... wtf? i think people who arent going through this wont understand how stupid and frustrating this is and think youre crying about it. which you have every right to if youre paying money for a class. of course you gotta teach yourself some stuff but teachers are there to assist you, not be a blocker. ive noticed community colleges or smaller schools have this issue due to low funds and being out of touch with the industry. my final year we had a professor who came in and saw these problems and we grouped up with him and got the courses and stuff changed for future students. but i feel you dude, just push through it and try not to burn out. if youre able to push through a shitty program that shows that youre not a quitter
edit: i have an associates and i got a job, if you have options for internships take advantage of that. it can help a ton
Yes I am going to a community college. It really sucks that you had a similar experience, but it’s also really nice to get to speak with someone who understands what I’m dealing with here 😭 It has not been a good time. It’s encouraging hear that you were able to find a job though. Your experience sounds so similar to mine! I didn’t have any experience with coding going into this and I’ve learned the hard way that with some of this stuff you just have to know before going into it even if it is advertised as for beginners.
@ this was my second time going to college so i already knew what to expect. I knew i was going to teach myself. But the stress was really bad to where id physically get sick at from some classes. I genuinely didnt think id pass math or the mobile app dev classes because of the insane work load. Its rough but youll make it
@@retrorewind6042 I completely relate, I've gotten stressed to the point of throwing up...Because of the class that I mentioned in this video, it was that bad. I refuse to have that professor again lol. But my plan is to keep pushing through with classes and trying to teach myself stuff on the side and hopefully I'll be able to make this workout for me eventually.
@@diaryofdelilah once you graduate youll have that weight lifted off your shoulders. Getting a job might be rough, but try to get an internship and try to apply even at low paying local jobs, or just a tech role in general to get your foot in the door, and work on personal projects like a website or an app in your free time. Im a bit nervous too about getting laid off, but it seems like every office type job has this problem right now, not just CS
I watch u from 🇩🇪 😊
I'll be graduating with a 3.0 GPA.
I was always a B/B+ student. I always had to work while in school, unless you have 100% of your time and energy for study, expecting a 4.0 is pretty tough.
I have been working while I’m in school and it is extremely difficult to maintain a 4.0 GPA. I have made a lot of sacrifices even at the expense of my health and well being, and I don’t really feel like it’s worth it. I will keep taking my school seriously as I move forward, but not to the extreme that I had been because it has taken a major toll on me.
Great to have a high standard for yourself, but yes, taking care of your health has to be above all. Just feel good knowing you made your best effort for your circumstances. A similar thing can happen after graduation in the professional job/career world, you can get so caught up trying to be perfect at your job that your health deteriorates and you risk a nervous breakdown or sinking into depression. Cool channel btw, renewed my interest in coding a little. Never became an expert at it but Javascript was fun to learn about. Jonas Schmedtman's Udemy course is a great resource imo.
@@garybeltrand5802 I agree! And thank you, I’m glad to hear that! I’ll definitely check that resource out!
Job is uncertain but you can get a job as a Software it will not be lost as a job ... it's not possible ... new ways of programming will come and still this skills that you build right now ... they will pay off ... finish the degree ... associate or bachelor doesn't matter in Software ... the degree can help you get better job and remember the employee will get benefits and tax returns from your degree ... when you don't have a degree it's a little bit pain in the ass in the IRS ... not that you can not get a degree without a job ... but the degree will help you a lot ...
Thanks for the insight and advice!
Make sure to get one or two internships before you graduate. It will help you a lot. 👍
I’m currently looking for one! :)
If you're really into it, maybe find a tutor/mentor to help you start...
Programming is not hard/pretty easy, once you're in
Thank you for the advice
What a beauty
Thank you!
So beautiful
Can you please say what college or what program ur doing? Im genuinely curious. I won't lie to you, you should've looked into WGU. But, then again. You like what, 21? When you started? So, I don't really blame you I guess. You're genuinely wasting so much time, please. PLEASE look into different things. It's nowhere near too late at 24/25. I'd suggest doing research into WGU's Comp Sci. program. Over 2 years for an associate & the false advertising genuinely almost makes me think you're getting scammed.
You are not paying thousands to teach yourself! You guys need to report this Professor to the Dean of the department asap! 🤨🤨
We had to do this and eventually got the teacher fired, but it took months and several people to complain. Crazy how colleges can have such low standards despite costing a ton
A lot of us have reached out to the dean and it sounds like the dean is going to do something about this professor, but it’s unfortunately a pretty slow process.
@@diaryofdelilah good shit, something is better than nothing at least
I make plenty of money without a degree, and I'm going to get a cybersecurity one. I'm basically saving 4 grand a month. Most people aren't in my situation, but I can tell you right now. You most likely should be pursuing more of a influencing career, along with your
Experience on getting Your degree, and you will probably explode. In the next 2 years, maybe not be a dragon youtuber, but seriously, you could make some money easily. As a side, income from making a video or two a week.
Just get more consistent with your videos, and i'm pretty sure you'll start making some money if you haven't already
would of learned more from a couple Udemy courses on html and css and javascript… just saying. Sometimes can get a Udemy course for $10 when it’s on sale
You're very right, I learned basically nothing in this class that I spent an insane amount of money on. And wow $10 is pretty cheap, I'll have to look into that.
@ yeah I’ve learned more on Udemy than I ever have going to college. What’s good about it is you can work at your own pace when you have time
@@Nice_One2023 I definitely appreciate being able to work at my own pace! I’ll have to look into this, thank you!
@ you’re welcome! Hope all is going well
Honestly, I don't. Think there's any point to say this because I think my old account got banned for some reason on this channel.And the funny thing is I never said anything bad in my comments.
I'm an Amazon worker and I make around 4 grand a month in savings. I work 72 hours a week. And I'm about to go to college for cybersecurity. I don't think in any of my comments that I've stated anything bad. In fact, I think I've stood good things about this channel. It could just be TH-cam that ban this account who knows But anyways.
If you focus on making youtube videos, along with your journey on going to college, you could honestly make influencing your job.
Think of it as a nice little side job working in tech
I'm saving 4 grand a month.
And most people aren't doing that.
When I get into my cyber security jobs, I could easily make sixty k and save majority of it.
The funny thing is, i'm making around sixty k right now.Anyways, with these two jobs, I'll just make it with one.
But most people aren't looking to work as much as i'm wanting to have as much money as I want.
But anyways best of luck to you
I'm from Iraq,Where did this video come from? I don't know😂
jeets are over running that sector
Did you look up that professor on ratemyprofessor before registering for that class? Also, it would be cool to see some coding tutorials or some walkthroughs of some of your personal projects in your upcoming videos.
I didn't which was probably my first mistake because he doesn't have good reviews lol. And that is definitely something that I could do in the future!
If you are paying for an education, you should not have to completely educate yourself.
In lieu of a whole schpiel about my life, I want to say, prioritize your health/not spending your whole nut on school. For right now. As far as the path you are on academically, longterm, I would say, it chose you. Your intellect is clearly razor sharp, and to squander that would be a straightup sin. So maybe look at monetizing this channel now that you've got some attention on it, and maybe even a Patreon. That way you wouldn't have to stress quite so much. Just ideas. I've got lots.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I definitely would like to get my channel monetized at some point, hopefully if I keep at it it’ll continue to grow.
@@diaryofdelilah to put things in perspective, I'm over here struggling to set up to work through this old book I have on C. My addled 47yo ass is like "hmmm maybe I can chat someone up at an internet cafe who'll take me under their wing". I don't know how well received that'd be.
Oh, silly! Colleges were designed for people to find a partner and learn to work in a team. I was at least cheating and exchanging assignments, but it seems you failed every task. Did anyone say you're not good enough for a job? Probably nobody told you that you should learn to lie like a marketer and cope with rejections like a salesperson after acquiring your hard skills.
you are better of start learning hunting, or nursing. dev jobs are dead, dont waste your time. maybe you can work as robot enhancer for while, until they enhance them self.
Self-teaching is a must in Software
However, beginners really need some guidance to build the proper foundation
sad you got a bad teacher
Wish you meet only good teachers/mentors starting from now ))
Heh, why pay a boatload of money to still be an autodidact?
That is a fair point and something I have been thinking about a lot.
i hope you're not doing that Todo App project🙆🏽♂️
Are you referencing the project I had to do for an assignment that I mentioned in my previous video? If so no I will not be creating that as a personal project 😂 That project had to fit very specific criteria and I ended up changing that to be some stupid game where users could create custom cakes lol. It was pretty dumb but again it had to fit specific criteria and it’s not something I would ever show off to employers 😂
Or ever want to work on in my free time that’s for sure 😂 I have much better ideas for my own stuff. I was just forced to make something kinda stupid to get a good grade.
@@diaryofdelilah that cake app is game changer🤧
@@AbelAbate-i9o Lol the things I have to do in college to get good grades 😂😂 I got an A though, it was exactly what the professor was looking for. Definitely am looking forward to creating better things on my own though.
@diaryofdelilah good job for solving his problem, he need a cake thats all what matter to get a good grade
8:13 Re: Getting a lot of sexist comments.
Incels gonna incel.
That is very true unfortunately lol. They must live sad lives.
@@diaryofdelilah hey, just coming back here with another job thought. So right now software is in a pretty bad spot, like I said in my comment on your other video. Eventually it will get better. So if you're sticking it out in tech, and want to get a tech job, but can't find a dev job, the systems administration route might be good to keep your foot in the tech door.
I've been in tech for 20+ years at this point, and historically what you'd hear is that tech has two paths: Developers and Systems Administrators, and never shall the two meet.
But, modern systems administration looks a lot like a developer position. Most sys admin roles require experience or knowledge of Python, PowerShell (big one in the industry, if you're in C#, PowerShell will likely be VERY familiar), Bash, etc..
A lot of companies invest heavily in "infrastructure-as-code" these days. Tools like Ansible will help sys admins spin up new servers quickly, and accurately. Last I heard, Target had the largest Ansible infrastructure in the country.
Anyways. That's basically my thought. Hit me up if you want to know more.
Skibidi sigma
Oh my
They should have taught you assembly language and c before jumping into JavaScript
What lol, no. C is not used much anymore and assembly is completely irrelevant
@ Sounds like you don’t want to learn fundamentals. Up to you my friend.
@@lifeofaproblemsolver479 ive been a professional dev for a while. I have never ever found use for assembly or even C at work or in my projects, and i learned C when i started. Theres almost no reason anyone should learn assembly, saying that is pretty misleading, and C is pretty much the same for most developers. Times have changed, not being able to know that is pretty ignorant and a sign that youre out of touch
@@retrorewind6042you do you my friend idc.
@@lifeofaproblemsolver479 😂
Only in Ohio
Lol I live in Wisconsin but based on previous comments I’m thinking this is a meme lol
Such victum personality. In our uni we had to 0 knowledge of of web dev and in that sem we had to learn html,css,tailwind,bootstrap,javascript,nodejs,mongo db, rreact,,mysql and some other I am forgetting in web dev class and we had 5 other courses in 6 months. Our teacher didnot teach a single concept we had to buy udemy courses.
Sure, having 0 knowledge going in and having to learn a lot in a short time is fine.
However, the parts regarding this meant to be an associates degree but taking 4 years is alarming.
Furthermore, just because you're getting screwed "had to buy udemy courses" doesn't mean that it is right, and people should just accept getting scammed.
@@Ander0072originalv2 Exactly
Skibidi toliet
Lol
You should watch some stuff online, there are very good tutorials for beginners when it comes to front end etc, and the basics are the most important, and rethink what you wanna do for sure, cause from what you said you "i don't know", that can be a big problem since learning programming is long term, and it never stops cause you then adapt to new frameworks, platforms etc.
I’ll have to try to find some good resources online, thanks!