Jesse Agler, the radio announcer reported that he had talked to Niebla and what got him ejected had nothing to do with the balk, he actually complained about a check swing call from the previous inning lol. I love baseball!
Yowks - that looks pretty awkward from a stretch to stretch? to a... I'm a little confused as to what he was trying to do though with the unusual setup
@DDAUmps The pitching coach went out to have the argument toward him with the umpire. If Snell kept arguing, he probably would have been ejected. The pitching coach knew he would be ejected.
@@caras2004 not necessarily. Most umpires know when the coach is out there to break up an argument. The coach barely talked compared to the pitcher. Only thing that would warrant the ejection would be if coach called umpire personal insult. Otherwise this was soft.
I think the best way to deal with this situation is use the pitch com before engaging the pitcher's plate. Yes, it's going to use a little bit of clock time, but there can be clear communication between the catcher and pitcher. Like lindsay said, there are no backsteps. Of course, arguing a balk will usually result in an ejection if the person arguing does it long enough.
@@Math.Bandit But catchers have been calling pitches for years *with the pitcher's approval.* I would guess the problems they tried to solve with pitch com are fewer than the problems it has created.
For 145 years old fashioned signals from the catcher worked just fine when it came to calling pitches. I can't ever recall a catcher's signals causing a pitcher to balk. A season and a half with pitchcom and seems like it causes a balk on a regular basis. Sometimes simple is better.
Get rid of PitchCom. Go back to signals. So what is the other team lose your signals, with the pitch clock you’re not gonna have time to tell the batter what’s coming. It’s not like in the old days when An at bat could take 20 minutes just with signals alone.
Okay, I'm one to bitch about bad rules, especially the balk rule, as much as the next guy but the "what am I supposed to do?" is an easy question to answer...step off if you got to need to go to pitchcom and feel the need to cover it. The announcer at the end agrees.
An aside, and maybe I'm in the minority here, but I *despise* the balk rule as it is. We literally spent an entire hour on it in a clinic I went to, and if *umpires* (all of whom have 7+ years of experience) need such a long course, think what players/managers, and most importantly, fans think. I think the rule needs to be simplified a ton, get rid of irrelevant stuff like this (did this *really* deceive the runner, which is why the rule is in place).
How on earth did anyone even get ejected over such a dead-obvious call? What's he supposed to do? He's supposed to step off (before making an illegal motion). Always better to ensure you're a fielder before you start inventing new "set" positions with a live ball. Kind of embarassing for the pitcher, honestly.
Two time Cy Young award winner, three World Series rings, with two no - hitters, Tim Lincecum, simply brought his hands together at his waist in one short movement. All of the extra movement is unnecessary and ridiculous.
I feel like the rules managment of the MLB should create a set of rules regarding pitch-com balks because of pitchers having failures recieving the signal from pitch-coms
And then you have pitchers simulating a pitch-com issue to avoid a balk. No way an umpire would know the difference. I mean I guess you could give a pitcher one Pitch-com reset per game
Rule is clear. Got an issue with pitch-com? Step off. Not the MLB's fault that pitchers don't know the rule. Up to the players to adjust, not the league, IMO.
Snell is usually such an easy going guy. Die hard Padres fan here, but even I can agree it was an unfortunate balk. Niebla was out there because he's the pitching coach and I think was looking for clarity.The fact that Niebla was ejected was really hard to believe as the guy is so benign. First time in his entire career he's been ejected! Not a big fan of Morales, but I'd take him over Angel Hernandez (who I hear is actually back?!?) any day.
This umpiring crew has Padres jersey's under their uniforms. Snell should have been ejected for this and Machado for his arguing strikes later in the game. I get that umps miss calls but besides these 2, they were calling outside pitches strikes on the Dodgers hitters but not for the Padres.
I think Niebla may have initated contact with Morales trying to get his player out of there… and with a hand no less (a bump w/ the backside would not be a problem.. clearly incidental.. ) but this looked like he tried to push the ump… if that’s the case.. BEGGED FOR IT. Balk was really never in doubt.. hell, the announcers could see it.. and they are the worst at knowing the rules.
Umpires do the same thing to coaches players and managers. It is just a gesture that means, “I will handle my pitcher, please don’t bait him more”. The fact that the umpire decided to be a hypocrite proves he is butthurt.
@@penelopebenes9984 So… that’s a dumb argument… proof.. You lay hands on an official in the NBA, NHL or NFL.. your game is probably OVER.. at the least, you will score a punishment of some kind of penalty… so don’t be surprised in the MLB it’s the same way (sadly, the only penalty available is EJ here). Hell, when you’re dealing with a police officer, it’s a good way to get some shiney new bracelets there too. YOU NEVER INITIATE CONTACT WITH AN OFFICIAL in any sport.. incidental contact is one thing.. this one was not under that. Officials can initiate… but players/coaches can’t. pretty universal there. Don’t advocate else wise. Personally, you shouldn’t be arguing anyway.
@@ronpeacock9939 putting hands on someone is illegal regardless if you’re a cop or official. Police and umpires and exempt from assaulting people. Regardless the ejection here wasn’t for that.
Balks are so confusing to me, having never played the game. And yet, even I would have called this a balk. That said, I hate pitch com with a passion. Catchers have been calling pitches for years *with the pitcher's approval.* I would guess the problems they tried to solve with pitch com are fewer than the problems it has created.
I was baffled on how Snell thought breaking his hands and not pitching was anything other than a balk. As for the ejection, anytime that happens I just assume they call him a c*cks*ck*r as they walk away.
I don't know who or where it was, but a while ago I heard of a pitching coach/manager/whatever who worked at the college or development levels who would, from their first practice outing, train a pitcher to not react to anything that happens while their foot is on the rubber except to lift the foot. I guess that coach didn't work with many MLB pitchers in the league right now. That, or he didn't use pitch-com distractions in this training regiment, lol.
Nothing wrong with the balk rule. Too often, at lower levels, it is not enforced. Nor are young pitchers taught what constitutes a balk. And they are not corrected when they balk. Pitch comm and the pitch clock have frustrated pitchers who were allowed to delay the game unnecessarily. Pitchers need to adjust to the rules. The rules don't get adjusted to meet the pitchers needs.
@@donh6416 you say the rule is fine and then talk about how no one knows or understands the rule. Which is the exact reason the rule needs to be updated. 🤦♂️
@@teebob21 I can agree with that, but also they’ve added a ton of new rules to speed up the game and have yet to go back and update old rules. Like if a player has to do what Snell did which seemed to be he forgot to pitchcom his pitch any ump with eyes would see that and they could count it as a timeout or disengagement instead of a balk. Your precious balk rule remains and it covers the random interaction added because of new rules.
@@criticiz3 It has been illegal for the pitcher to put his hands together and then separate them without legally delivering the pitch or throwing to a base since 1880. In this game, the pitcher did that. It's a balk all day long all the way down to 8U. Pitch-com or place of play rules have not changed that at all. Please spare us your player apologia trying to blame technology for a pitcher who fucked up and got called for it the same way he'd have gotten called for it for 140 years.
no, dumb players and coaches also are killing themselves.....this is a no-brainer balk.......set, hands come apart, sets again. Is this Little League? Im more amazed that the pitcher and coach have the balls to even question this
Here you are saying the manager should have come out. Yet aren’t you someone who always cries when a manager comes out after a balk, saying it should be an automatic ejection?
Bad ejection. Unless an insult was said then Morales was in the wrong. If umpires keep ejecting the mediators that calm down the angry party, then umpires will have to fight for themselves like 30 years ago. Maybe it will do some good, at least tone down the egos of umpires.
DJ, we can always count on you for a terrible take on the situation from someone mired in self-loathing, and wishing a time machine would take him back to 1975.
@@teebob21 Go ahead try to eject someone who is trying to calm down situation. You’re just going to make the situation worse and next time you’re in an argument you’ll have to deal with what you did. That’s not only for 1973 but for 2023.
Let's parse that moronic statement. "Bad ejection". No caveats, just a declarative statement of supposed fact. "Unless an insult was said". A caveat to excuse such bad ejection. All with you not having a single damned clue what was said. Are all Texans this obtuse? When a pitching coach comes out of the dugout to do anything other than talk to a pitcher, he's already got one foot in the ejection bin. He has absolutely no leeway when he talks to an umpire. It's not his freaking job.
Jesse Agler, the radio announcer reported that he had talked to Niebla and what got him ejected had nothing to do with the balk, he actually complained about a check swing call from the previous inning lol. I love baseball!
Help me understand.. he has a button on his belt that he has to press to use pitch com but in doing so caused a balk?
ABSOLFREAKINGLUTELY, that was a balk and should be called 20 times everyday and 100 times on Sunday! Great catch Gabe Morales.
Agree that the call was good but his ejection was a butthurt snowflake trip.
Yowks - that looks pretty awkward from a stretch to stretch? to a... I'm a little confused as to what he was trying to do though with the unusual setup
@DDAUmps
The pitching coach went out to have the argument toward him with the umpire. If Snell kept arguing, he probably would have been ejected. The pitching coach knew he would be ejected.
@@caras2004 not necessarily. Most umpires know when the coach is out there to break up an argument. The coach barely talked compared to the pitcher. Only thing that would warrant the ejection would be if coach called umpire personal insult. Otherwise this was soft.
@@DDAUmps and you think he ejected him without a personal insult? its clear it was something along the line of "ill take care of my guy, fuck off"
It's almost like the pitcher and catcher could develop a system of coded signals to avoid the shortcomings of technology..
"Recalibrating the strike zone"is a keeper.cheers
Snell was doing everything all at once ha
I think the best way to deal with this situation is use the pitch com before engaging the pitcher's plate. Yes, it's going to use a little bit of clock time, but there can be clear communication between the catcher and pitcher. Like lindsay said, there are no backsteps. Of course, arguing a balk will usually result in an ejection if the person arguing does it long enough.
Or just ... crazy as it seems ... fingers, as had been the case for 160 years
@@closethockeyfan5284Fingers don't allow the pitcher to call the pitch.
@@Math.Bandit But catchers have been calling pitches for years *with the pitcher's approval.*
I would guess the problems they tried to solve with pitch com are fewer than the problems it has created.
Pitchcom has been a problem since the first day of the season
For 145 years old fashioned signals from the catcher worked just fine when it came to calling pitches. I can't ever recall a catcher's signals causing a pitcher to balk. A season and a half with pitchcom and seems like it causes a balk on a regular basis. Sometimes simple is better.
Also for 145 years, the catcher called the game. Now pitchers can do it if they prefer.
Get rid of PitchCom. Go back to signals. So what is the other team lose your signals, with the pitch clock you’re not gonna have time to tell the batter what’s coming. It’s not like in the old days when An at bat could take 20 minutes just with signals alone.
Okay, I'm one to bitch about bad rules, especially the balk rule, as much as the next guy but the "what am I supposed to do?" is an easy question to answer...step off if you got to need to go to pitchcom and feel the need to cover it. The announcer at the end agrees.
An aside, and maybe I'm in the minority here, but I *despise* the balk rule as it is. We literally spent an entire hour on it in a clinic I went to, and if *umpires* (all of whom have 7+ years of experience) need such a long course, think what players/managers, and most importantly, fans think. I think the rule needs to be simplified a ton, get rid of irrelevant stuff like this (did this *really* deceive the runner, which is why the rule is in place).
Bingo.
How on earth did anyone even get ejected over such a dead-obvious call? What's he supposed to do? He's supposed to step off (before making an illegal motion). Always better to ensure you're a fielder before you start inventing new "set" positions with a live ball. Kind of embarassing for the pitcher, honestly.
just get the robot umps at this point
Two time Cy Young award winner, three World Series rings, with two no - hitters, Tim Lincecum, simply brought his hands together at his waist in one short movement. All of the extra movement is unnecessary and ridiculous.
I feel like the rules managment of the MLB should create a set of rules regarding pitch-com balks because of pitchers having failures recieving the signal from pitch-coms
And then you have pitchers simulating a pitch-com issue to avoid a balk. No way an umpire would know the difference.
I mean I guess you could give a pitcher one Pitch-com reset per game
You could just use signs and not worry about pitchcom,
Rule is clear. Got an issue with pitch-com? Step off. Not the MLB's fault that pitchers don't know the rule. Up to the players to adjust, not the league, IMO.
How about just calling pitches the way it's been done since the game was invented? It worked fine for 150 years.
Snell is usually such an easy going guy. Die hard Padres fan here, but even I can agree it was an unfortunate balk. Niebla was out there because he's the pitching coach and I think was looking for clarity.The fact that Niebla was ejected was really hard to believe as the guy is so benign. First time in his entire career he's been ejected! Not a big fan of Morales, but I'd take him over Angel Hernandez (who I hear is actually back?!?) any day.
"I'd take _________ over Angel Hernandez" isn't saying much.
This umpiring crew has Padres jersey's under their uniforms. Snell should have been ejected for this and Machado for his arguing strikes later in the game. I get that umps miss calls but besides these 2, they were calling outside pitches strikes on the Dodgers hitters but not for the Padres.
I think Niebla may have initated contact with Morales trying to get his player out of there… and with a hand no less (a bump w/ the backside would not be a problem.. clearly incidental.. ) but this looked like he tried to push the ump… if that’s the case.. BEGGED FOR IT. Balk was really never in doubt.. hell, the announcers could see it.. and they are the worst at knowing the rules.
Don't put hands on the body. That's what I saw too. Ejections follows contact.
Umpires do the same thing to coaches players and managers. It is just a gesture that means, “I will handle my pitcher, please don’t bait him more”. The fact that the umpire decided to be a hypocrite proves he is butthurt.
@@penelopebenes9984 So… that’s a dumb argument… proof.. You lay hands on an official in the NBA, NHL or NFL.. your game is probably OVER.. at the least, you will score a punishment of some kind of penalty… so don’t be surprised in the MLB it’s the same way (sadly, the only penalty available is EJ here). Hell, when you’re dealing with a police officer, it’s a good way to get some shiney new bracelets there too. YOU NEVER INITIATE CONTACT WITH AN OFFICIAL in any sport.. incidental contact is one thing.. this one was not under that. Officials can initiate… but players/coaches can’t. pretty universal there. Don’t advocate else wise. Personally, you shouldn’t be arguing anyway.
@@ronpeacock9939 putting hands on someone is illegal regardless if you’re a cop or official. Police and umpires and exempt from assaulting people. Regardless the ejection here wasn’t for that.
@@penelopebenes9984 Moronic take.
Snell has no leg to stand on here. This is a blatant balk
Balks are so confusing to me, having never played the game. And yet, even I would have called this a balk.
That said, I hate pitch com with a passion. Catchers have been calling pitches for years *with the pitcher's approval.* I would guess the problems they tried to solve with pitch com are fewer than the problems it has created.
Neibla went out to get himself tossed over Snell or Melvin.
I was baffled on how Snell thought breaking his hands and not pitching was anything other than a balk. As for the ejection, anytime that happens I just assume they call him a c*cks*ck*r as they walk away.
I don't know who or where it was, but a while ago I heard of a pitching coach/manager/whatever who worked at the college or development levels who would, from their first practice outing, train a pitcher to not react to anything that happens while their foot is on the rubber except to lift the foot. I guess that coach didn't work with many MLB pitchers in the league right now. That, or he didn't use pitch-com distractions in this training regiment, lol.
Looked pretty balkish to me
Get electronics off the players, done.
niebla went to talk to snell to calm him down not to argue the balk like melvin would have since he tries to seperate snell from morales arguing.
That’s one of the reasons God gave us fingers…..
100% a bulk. Can’t even argue it.
No way it was a bulk. Look closely, clearly it was a belk
This is just proving that as MLB keeps adding and adding rules they’re gonna have to go back and update outdated rules like the balk.
Nothing wrong with the balk rule. Too often, at lower levels, it is not enforced. Nor are young pitchers taught what constitutes a balk. And they are not corrected when they balk.
Pitch comm and the pitch clock have frustrated pitchers who were allowed to delay the game unnecessarily. Pitchers need to adjust to the rules. The rules don't get adjusted to meet the pitchers needs.
@@donh6416 you say the rule is fine and then talk about how no one knows or understands the rule. Which is the exact reason the rule needs to be updated. 🤦♂️
@@criticiz3 Ignorance of the rules by players and coaches is not a problem with the rules: it's a problem with the players and coaches.
@@teebob21 I can agree with that, but also they’ve added a ton of new rules to speed up the game and have yet to go back and update old rules.
Like if a player has to do what Snell did which seemed to be he forgot to pitchcom his pitch any ump with eyes would see that and they could count it as a timeout or disengagement instead of a balk. Your precious balk rule remains and it covers the random interaction added because of new rules.
@@criticiz3 It has been illegal for the pitcher to put his hands together and then separate them without legally delivering the pitch or throwing to a base since 1880. In this game, the pitcher did that. It's a balk all day long all the way down to 8U. Pitch-com or place of play rules have not changed that at all. Please spare us your player apologia trying to blame technology for a pitcher who fucked up and got called for it the same way he'd have gotten called for it for 140 years.
The easiest balk call in history lol
technology is killing baseball
Players are killing baseball.
LOL Boomer.
no, dumb players and coaches also are killing themselves.....this is a no-brainer balk.......set, hands come apart, sets again. Is this Little League? Im more amazed that the pitcher and coach have the balls to even question this
Obvious balk
DASSA BAWK!
Here you are saying the manager should have come out. Yet aren’t you someone who always cries when a manager comes out after a balk, saying it should be an automatic ejection?
The manager should come out instead of the pitching coach. 🙄
@@Niel2760 what hes saying is that Melvin knew if HE came out HE would be ejected.....he let the pitching coach take the fall for him
@@mptr1783 no he wouldn’t. You come out to get your player away from the umpire to keep him in the game. Then you walk away, easy peazy
Bad ejection. Unless an insult was said then Morales was in the wrong. If umpires keep ejecting the mediators that calm down the angry party, then umpires will have to fight for themselves like 30 years ago. Maybe it will do some good, at least tone down the egos of umpires.
DJ, we can always count on you for a terrible take on the situation from someone mired in self-loathing, and wishing a time machine would take him back to 1975.
Wow you really deleted your comment and reposted it so the replies were wiped. You're weak
another brilliant response...."that wasnt a strike! Unless the batter swung at it" Its pretty obvious the pitching coach said something to get ejected
@@teebob21 Go ahead try to eject someone who is trying to calm down situation. You’re just going to make the situation worse and next time you’re in an argument you’ll have to deal with what you did. That’s not only for 1973 but for 2023.
Let's parse that moronic statement. "Bad ejection". No caveats, just a declarative statement of supposed fact. "Unless an insult was said". A caveat to excuse such bad ejection. All with you not having a single damned clue what was said. Are all Texans this obtuse? When a pitching coach comes out of the dugout to do anything other than talk to a pitcher, he's already got one foot in the ejection bin. He has absolutely no leeway when he talks to an umpire. It's not his freaking job.
angel's having another amazing day behind the plate tonight! umpires rule!
For once nothing to do with Angel, but nice lazy comment
A pitching coach comes out to argue a call and doesn't get run immediately?!?!?