The man was not supposed to be on the mountain because he had no experience and equipment. Still he was hired to assist with roping and then the man decided to go for the summit. Nobody is to blame here. Nobody could have helped him any way. What do you expect people to do? Risk their lives for somebody that is not supposed to be there and is already dying? He could not be saved any way in this freezing temperatures and circumstances. You can only help yourself on the mountain, that is hard and risky enough.
It was immoral to allow Mr. Hassan to go there without proper gear and equipment in the first instance. Ignore the rest. It should have stopped there. These high altitude climbers are selfish egotistical narcissists beyond measure.
How Absolutely Disgusting that Any of those climbers allowed him to go on the climb without making sure he was as well equipped as they were!!! And of course making sure he had experience. Disgusting and Arrogant and Selfish people, who are as guilty as the operator 🤬 Bless the ones who tried to help him.
After decades of climbers adding their own to huge piles of garbage littering the sides, paths and (especially) the camps of these mountains, it's about time they took responsibility. I'm glad they're protecting their precious resources. And if climbing in a more adventurous style is for you, or you don't want to follow the regulations, how about this--go climb another mountain. Have respect for where you are. "Your" conquest is their home.
The authorities don't want it to become the next Everest, so good for them for bringing in regulations. Of you're not fit enough to carry your own waste then you're not fit enough to do the expedition
RE: Problems for climbers- 13:35 “…how practical to enforce these rules in such a remote and harsh environment.” How practical is it to climb the mountain in the first place? 14:42 And whinging about the increased costs and the increased difficulty in having to clean up after yourself. Hire someone to carry it. And extreme climbing is such an expensive endeavor in the first place which relatively few can afford. How unfair that some of these folks may need to stay home or pay even more money?
So when a porter dies cleaning up trash you will be fine with that? So long as trash that isn't bothering anything or anyone nor will it end up in the ocean like trash from many of these countries, is removed from the mountain so they can throw it in the ocean.
@@bradsanders407 but the trash and waste is bothering people... literally locals are dependent* on the melting snow and ice that runs down to them... imagine if someone shit in your water source.
My heart goes out to Mr. Hassan's Mother, his wife and children, and his loved ones - it's a damn shame he picked that crowd of pukes to be with. Thank God for the good folks like Kristin Harila, Tenjin, Lama, Sherpa, and Gabriel Tarso Silva - and their team that tried to help him. God bless the sherpa's that these 'mountain climbers' pay pennies to - expecting them to risk their lives to support their families...and they do. There should be some kind of insurance for the sherpa's that don't come home - and the climbers should fund it. I'm glad they've changed the rules, it makes me angry watching all the egos "without any mercy" climbing over each other's bodies to reach the summit...leaving behind their garbage, oxygen cannisters, human waste, and bodies - their filth, it seems like contempt to conquer. It's a sin.
How is one person going to carry the remnants of months worth of supplies down K2? So you want them to hire locals to risk their life to bring trash from a place where it isnt bothering anyone or anything, where no one can see it but the ones leaving it, risk their lives to then throw it in the ocean? Thats smart
If Mr Hassan was an adult, he should have chosen not to be there, considering that if something happened to him, his children would be orphaned of their father. Living in the area, he surely must have heard it was a dangerous mountain and that even experienced mountain climbers died in K2. Other people could have lost their lives trying to save him. From the comfort of my couch, I can say I'd have done anything to save him! But what if I was there instead, barely managing to deal with my own weight? Could I realistically have carried an adult man all the way down the mountain? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
It’s really hard to comprehend the people that put themselves in this situation where there are simply too many people on the mountain, where they have to wait for the person in front of them, in this case the hundreds of people in front of them, when they have no time to waste at all and yet they still go, unbelievable!
“This has led to longer wait times for approval” oh no. You have to wait longer to climb a mountain, the horror. The people demand regulations be put in place, want you to prove you have experience, then cry when you have to do that. 🙄
You do realize you are talking about 2 completely different groups right? Now get this, when you have 2 different groups with differing opinions, one group will pull for something and the other group will be against that thing. What im trying to say is no one who is asking for more regulations is complaing about regulations. Id be willing to wager people crying about regulations of climbing a freaking rock have never and will never climb said rock. They just love being karens about things that dont affect them the least bit.
6:17 “I don’t know what it is about being on a mountain that makes people less empathetic and helpful” 9:00 “delays force climbers to wait in freezing conditions for sometimes hours, at increased risk to avalanches and falling rocks, increasing risk of exhaustion, hypothermia, altitude sickness, or changing weather”
If he is a grown man it is not somebody else's or the government's job to tell you where you can or can't go on a planet that we all live if the man wanted to go up there naked and die that's that man's choice but don't expect anybody else to save you
The help that guy needed was not after he fell, but before. I don''t go climbing into death zones under avalanches, but if I were a mountaineer, I think I would know to not let someone ill-equipped go, and with all the money shelled out for plane fares, hotels, guides, permits, and all, I think i would have found some to spare to get him some better equipment. I mean, there must be used down suits and boots for sale around there somewhere. Or take up a collection, to suit him up. Getting someone down from height is nearly impossible in real life, but in the same real life it is entirely possible to prevent tragedies like that one without going to major expense. Yet that needed help was denied. Change rules.
@@lisaschuster686 There's no go area's in the UK, that even cops only go if there's a very good reason, because they've imposed their own shariah etc. Unfortunately some very dysfunctional & dangerous extremism going on. Nothing to do with mountaineering, but it creeps into all aspects of life
Yes Pakistan has a govt. And your perspective is actually cent percent accurate too. Firs you need to understand what Pakistan is. It's a collection of Indian Muslims who did not want to Live in a democratic nation that was majority Hindu after '1000 years of dominating the infidels' (basically referring to 800 years of Islamic rule of India, the British actually left the Indian public exactly as they found them, poor. The Islamic rule did exactly what the British did, slowly dismantled the Hindu culture and society and grabbed all the money under their own coffers. Overall if you look at what British did in India, in no shape, or form were they any different from Islamic rulers who they beat down). So that nations identity is Islam. Now it's not Saudi Arabia Islam. South Asian Muslims are always in a race to be TRUE MUSLIMS, distancing themselves as much from their past as they can. Tell them that their great grand father was a Hindu, they will attack you. If you live in India, you will find in the cities (very important) the Muslims have segregated themselves into their own communities, they dress differently, they talk differently, they will have different names for the same food than the rest of Indians. They will often draw and wrongly so the lineages of their food, clothing, language and even their ancestors from SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN. It's comical sometimes. So they already have this morbid hatred of their own true identity. They want to become TRUE MUSLIMS . They also want validation from who they see as true Muslims.... The Arabic fundamentalists. So their identity is a broken identity. But it serves a purpose... It's keeps Pakistan from balkanising. A Hindu India is a perpetual enemy, then there is Isarel and then there is America. The holy trio of enemy of Muslims in south asia (why whole of south Asia, I will explain down below). This stuff carried over 70 years has now become a malignant cancer. They may have a govt and consitution, but most of their judges, officer, beuaracrats have grown up on hatred for the others. Now in such a society the govt has a role, but it's more ruled by local clerics. If you wear a bindi, the red dot on forehead that Hindu women wear, you are Doing haram. Not long back you could see women wearing saree and a hijab in India. But those days are gone. Saree a tradition Indian dress is now a Hindu dress and is haram and frowned upon. In Pakistan it will be hard to find. So are bangles. Anything which women use for their beauty is haram. Now if those women have a voice..... My god... It will be a riot.
Im not a climber. But, if I hired someone to be my porter and they didn't have sufficient gear. I'd be extremely worried for not only him but myself as well. This being the person I have to rely on for help! I would definitely feel like I was in trouble before I even started! I wouldn't climb with him...
No comment b c last time I made a comment they blocked me for 48 hrs but I’ll just say …no one is making anymore climbing these dangerous mountains So u deserve whtever comes to u ….
Sheer will is important but experience is a must. Plus clean up your mess as you retreat. Its part of the experience. R.i.p. To all adventures 🙏 Be smart
One thing that goes unconsidered in these climbing discussions is that these bottlenecks and traffic jams break the focus and mental flow of the individual climber - whether wealthy foreigner or a sherpa/porter. Climbing at altitude already invloves rest stepping and slow moving. The start-stop pattern for high altitude climbs - even modest ones as on croweded 14k+ mountains in continental United States. For example, the summer crowds on Longs Peak in Colorado - which is just barely a non-technical climb and even clear of all snow in summer, the bottlenecks beyond along its famous Keyhole route are disruptive for even a modestly skilled climber's mental focus. Longs is a dwarf mountain in comparison to K2, so the altitude and the much greater relative higher risk would magnify this disruption in focus and attention.
Imo he was not an "unsong hero of montaineering" just an idiot who has not have the slitest idea what he is doing. shaming the climbers who dont helped that idiot is discusting. Imagine to throw away your lifes dream because "Hassan" was an idiot and didnt bring montainering gear to the second tallest montain...THX no...
I agree the real heros set mountaineering world records like to be the first gender assured man with genital warts and rectal bleeding to summit while leaving two months of my own fecal matter trailed to the summit. It is all about my life long dream and my love and respect for the mountains and the real mountaineering community who go out of their way to stroke their own egos while judging the experiences of others without the experience of knowing their experience. Anything to be more pompous and arrogant over my fellow man to put them down to feel better about myself. All while paying all the fees others demand but insisting on paying pennies on the dollar to all sherpas and porters who do the greatest bulk of work to make my trip possible and self importance more viable in my own eyes.
Why? So you want people to bring trash down from somewhere where it isnt bothering anyone or anything. Will only be seen by the ones leaving it. Bring it back into civilization and throw it in the ocean. That makes sense. We should be putting all out trash uo there. Not bring it down where it will now be affecting people, places and animals. Stupid
sorry if this seems callous but he had no down suit? no helmet? no bottled oxygen? had never before been on the mountain? would i risk my life and never seeing my family again to try to save someone that stupid? no.
Regulations do not really “prevent” much of anything at all. People choose. People have free will. Education, offering knowledge, is much more helpful than regulation… generally speaking. Even so, rules are still helpful. Limiting the number of climbers at any one time is a no-brainer. However, anyone expecting rules or regulations to “save them” are very sadly mistaken. Think. Consider. Question… everything all the time. What is true? What is the risk? The risk you are not considering is the problem.
Why did Mr. Hassan climb when he was not even half dressed for the weather and without necessary equipment? That is just really stupid and irresponsible and an invitation for disaster.
Muhammad Hassan’s story is absolutely heartbreaking on so many levels. The fact that he, with no real HA experience, and the most appalling lack of proper equipment imaginable, still managed to climb 8200 meters high on K2 - which is no where near the walk-up most of the main routes on Everest have become, while keeping up with a handpicked team of Nepali, Sherpa rope fixers while carrying loads, showed that Hassan almost certainly had the potential to be a world class, high altitude climber, if only he had access to the resources one needs to go up there and come back down alive. In Hassan’s case, going from a LAP to a HAP with a K2 summit under his belt, would have, in all likelihood, been life changing for his ENTIRE family, in the form of income and future job opportunities that 99.9% of the people in this part of the world, literally some of the poorest in the entire world, could only dream of, and instead, they’re left with nothing but heartbreak.
People who sit on their fat butts thousands of miles from the mountains where they risk their lives to acheive their life goals of summiting suck extream peaks should not be so judemental. anyone who sets a foot on those mountains know that at some point your life is in your own hands. if fact , its part of the appeal. and the locals who are employed also know the reality. from the moment that tat sherpa lost his footing his life was over. thats the reality.
That western climbers let him go up K2 with such an appalling lack of gear is unbelieveable. Porters on the mountain should have gear as good as the climbers. This a tragedy that should have been avoided.
They should have had security to get him off the mountain prior to him even climbing up there. I think they should have regulations and security up there for people who are not prepared.
The Sherpas are the guardian angels. The people that your life depends on. How could you not put them in state of the art gear? And its about time they enforced guidelines.
I really believe it is time for the mountain to be left at peace for the next 5 years. A full clean up of the mountain. I get that the local community need the money but maybe just maybe the government really need to step up to take care of their people….like other countries do. A lot of people get backhands to do the mountain, bribes and no consideration for the human losses. It’s time to stop for a while. It is crazy that people wish to climb with little experience. Tour companies need to be controlled and regulated. I’m sure I’m not saying what has not been said before. But really if the government is not listening maybe leading companies need to start taking a stand. Wake up for the shit really hits the fan in high levels of deaths.
@ :33 That's not K2. That is Ama Dablam, which is only 6k meters high and doesn't qualify for this story. Did you think people don't know what the other mountains in the area are, especially one that is as unique looking as Ama Dablam?! You have no credibility if you're going to just post any picture of any mountain in the Himalayan or Karakorum range.
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An avalanche of misinformation. Most of the shots are not even of K2.
These climber know the risk and there’s an area called the “death zone” if you can’t get back down on your own don’t expect people that are just as tired to try to carry you off. Every min in the death zone means death things are different up there.
Climbers need to go by the Girl Scout idea that is upper most in their minds during all their activities. “GIRL SCOUTS LEAVE A PLACE BETTER THAN THEY FOUND IT.” Thanks, good video. I appreciate it.
Expedition shouldve never hired him and then didn't supply him with correct equipment? A gofundme has raised 170k for family. A climber who started it is going to help them manage money as everyone related or otherwise will want some of that fortune.
@Astorath_the_Grim I agree I also know that whether Pakistan or Nepal. They do it for the money knowing the risk. It's about poverty. His mom needed diabetic medicine and supporting his kids.
i have always been judgemental about people who take wreckless risks like this for essentially just clout but i realised I'm not much different. instead of work a normal job,i chose to do a Phd which in itself has a high mortality due to the stress and pressure
Smartest ever hassan climbing the deadliest mountain ever without proper gear and training, what can go wrong? How the hell it supposed to help his mother, if minimal amount to be in climbing group was something like 10-15k usd?
This is so disturbing… as a rock climber, there is no way I would leave anyone anywhere that needed help. All focus goes directly to a party in need of help period .
That’s not how it works up high. Very different rock climbing 30 meters from the highway than having to carry someone out of the death zone. Your life in the mountains is your responsibility. Optimally, people would help, but it is by no means required. That high up, you’re just trying to survive. The amount of will and fitness it takes to help someone at altitude is superhuman.
@@AscendingAdventures I understand it’s very different high altitude. But for me it’s more of a perspective of choosing to continue up a route seeking a peak instead of trying to help someone. Why would they just walk by continuing up the “death zone
@@MatthewWright-y9t oftentimes up is the safest option. Really hard to say not being there. Minimizing time in the bottleneck is key, so they likely have to continue up, and then when the line clears out, rap down. At least only 1 person died rather than 40.
Well what bothers me is seeing another in need and ignoring it. Some. Some need to rethink what it is to be a human. All the money some have and they couldn’t provide needed equipment?
Agree. It’s like Ok, you reached the summit, but do you never think back to the moment when you stepped over the body of someone who needed help and later died? There’s no way the climbers who refused to help never think back to that moment and their lack of actions for the rest of their lives.
The climbers who bemoan the use of modern technology should give up satellite and cellular phones. No automatic cameras. If no one in their expedition can't use a 35mm camera, damn the bad luck. Or suck it up and ask a non-purist to take their picture on the summit with a cell phone. Forget about any advanced weather reports. Intuitive decisions about the weather only. If the luddites get it wrong, oh well. No regulations about technology. Allow the modernized climbers to use technology as they see fit. No one is forcing purists to use advancing technology. Foregoing the use of technology to save lives, including their own, is a choice they make for themselves. The use of regulations and the negative impacts can be worked out in the following years. Everything changes, especially the human species. Sometimes the mountains have slight changes. Most often they don't. Revel in that. People are not mountains. Reaching the summit and descending safely is an admirable goal. Most people, including myself, can only experience the feats through videos. I'm good with that for myself. I can accept that and hold mountaineers in high regard at the same time. As human beings, each individual non-climber has every right to judge what we might perceive as immoral behavior. That's the way of the world. Peace be to all. And clean up the trash.
It all comes down to greed and apathy. There is always something you can do, even if it's to just comfort someone as they die. I'm ashamed of the Climbers who just climbed on or asked them to move over. What is wrong with people?
This is a sad and pitiful story. He should never have been allowed to climb with the lack of gear he had on? It should be up to the outfit he worked for to make sure he had everything he needed to be safe and warm. It's unbelievable to me that he needed money so bad that he risked his life. Shame on them all including the government. That being said that the climbers (not sherpas) know what they are getting themselves into and that other climbers can't risk dying to save another climber. It's an awful decision to make but it has to be made. God bless that man and his family. Prayers for them.
I do not consider Muhammad Hussan to be a family-oriented, mountaineer hero at all. Noone put a gun to his head to force him to do a job that he clearly was not qualified, not even close to being prepared for, all for very low pay in return. There are other methods to make a living in this world. Now, his wife is a widow, his kids have no father, and his mother has no help for her diabetes because of his reckless decision making. It is also so disgraceful to notice mountaineering tragedies where the other hikers make no effort or concern to try to another hiker in need!! The military has a view that no one is left behind, where mountaineers have the motto, we help no one but ourselves!
Readers prefer upbeat comments that use platitudes like “beautiful” and “courageous,” so I admire your honesty. I’ve watched enough of these, however, to understand that the strongest of climbers truly do not have the oxygen to help fellow fools at deadly altitudes.
The job probably pays better than working in lower risk jobs. It's like the guys that work in sulphur mines in Indonesia, terrible for your health but it pays more. Factory or farm work probably doesn't pay enough to put food on the table or provide medica l care
If we take your view, we should not have any labour regulations because all choose to work in a specific job. Your comment is so appalling. Imagine after getting all labour regulations in your developed country, you choose to mock people who live in third world countries, which lack such regulations. Amazing and pathetic
Idc what the risk is in any situation if someone is in desperate need to life saving help I for 1 am going to TRY & do what I can. The thinking behind that is: if I find myself so far f*cked, I'd hope someone would help me the same.
Give me a break. This video is a joke. He knew exactly what he was getting into. Climbers can't stop and help those who are ill-prepared. If you don't have the gear, you're taking unnecessary risks. Wokeness now comes to Mt climbing.
Muhammad was un trained, un fitted (gear), and told 100 times to go down. He only ever helped bring supplies into base camp. He had no right climbing that high. He cld have put many lives in danger for his stubbornness and poor choices. Instead, just his.
I don't agree with the concept that all people must have the opportunity to climb K2, even if they don't have much money. If you hold to that concept, shouldn't they also have the right to do all the other expensive things rich people do? But ressources are limited. So, who decides who gets the good and expensive things? A state bureaucracy? If so, why should anyone want to work hard and earn more money? Questions, questions.
The treatment of Hassan is disgusting on so many levels. Obviously he was poverty stricken and desperate and should have been properly equipped by whoever was employing him. To say nothing of the fact that he was literally and figuratively left hanging out to die.
Could the increase in the cost of climbing be a result of inclusion of all the latest technologies mentioned and not the reduction in the number of permits issued??
The people mostly care sbout them self, even friends they just leave them alone that is the risk of climbers, but the supporters some especially the inexperienced one they earn the money to support they dont have knowledge n money , they are the one suffer n abused by the companies.
99.9% of high altitude climbers are selfish assholes...simple as that. Even if you cant save somebodys life...to climb over them and leaving them to die alone just to get to the top is bang out of order. I would have to sit with them until they were gone then take myself down the hill...but thats just me and my opinion for what its worth.
Unfortunately in the mountains, your life is your priority. No one is or should be required to rescue you. If you can help, great. If not, better to move on and make sure you make it back safely. No point in multiple people dying because 1 person messed up. Being in high altitude, taking your phone out of your pocket can be laborious, not to mention that the Bottleneck is extremely dangerous and the less time spent in there the better.
In the first place, the porters do not charge nearly enough for what they do. No one has any right to climb any mountain of any country they're not paying taxes in. Period. Those countries are free to manage their mountains they way they see fit and if that excludes western climbers, then so be it. Porters easily can charge 20X what they're currently being paid, and quite frankly I wouldn't blame them for taking climbers 3/4 of the way there then dumping their belongings on the Baltoro glacier for them to carry the rest of the way like hikers have to do on Denali.
Turned off after 2 minutes. I am so sick of these AI-created (or whatever they are) artificial voices that I'm just moving on from now on. Although they are much better than days past, the voices are still soulless, and I can't help but feel as if I'm being lectured to instead of being taught something.
what is the matter with these climbers walking past? what is wrong with their heads??? i think all the people that make the climbs possible, porters and so on, should tell them to stuff it, carry your own stuff up there. it makes me so angry!! i get people need money, but damn. Those heartless dirt bags that just walked past... karma will get them, sooner or later.
Why are there so many heartless comments here? Which, by the way, all appear to think they’re being ‘creative and sensible’ all while saying variations of the same phrase? RIP Muhammad Hassan 😢 You will be missed.
My friend’s daughter climbed Everest last year and K2 this year, woo hooo congratulations! 🎉🎈🍾 On a very somber note, horrific that Hassan dent he had to do this for money and he didn’t even have the right gear nor a helmet!! Omg he never should e been there but I get when you need the money, that is so sad, didn’t know that. God bless those who helped him!! RIP Mr. Hassan
I think the lack of empathy in allowing him to climb unprepared is a blatant disregard for life for those who are there allowing that allowing him to even climb.
It is sad he desperately needed the money to support his family, if those involved & left him for death didn't help him at least they should support his family life long
So you think customers or in some cases people with no ties to a person, be held financially responsible for someone who died while at work. So if you hire someone to come trim your trees and they die you will financially support their family?
Talking about the people who go on commercial expeditions to climb Everest or K2 asif they're part of a supposed "climbing community" is ridiculous and shows how little they also knows about real climbing and mountaineering. Due to insane fees, those who want to climb the most famous 8000ers are wealthy individuals but usually not accomplished and autonomous mountaineers. They want to summit to "prove" something, not there for the pleasure or the experience of the climb. Real mountaineers have been following self-imposed ethicsl ruler for decades already, want to protect the mountains and appreciate the cultures and people in the high lands, and only applaud to good regulations. Alas, higher permit fees, limited numbers and complex bureaucracy will mean only commercial ventures will be managing the climbs so it will just become a 100% millionaire merry-go-round.
Climbers , guides, Sherpas, porters all the same. U go up incorrect gear, it's Ur problem. GREED. You fall, it's your problem. GREED. Just because U can buy a Porsche , it doesn't make U a driver.😂😂
They need to weed out all the monkey-see-monkey-do climbers on these mountains. An impromptu verbal exam, like medical boards, asking about its history, famed climbs, etc. Their inability to answer those will prove that monkey saw & monkey _wanted_ to do. “Hit the bricks, Pal! No permit for YOU! 🫵”
Do you think it was wrong for the other climbers to pass by Muhammad Hassan without doing more to save him?
The man was not supposed to be on the mountain because he had no experience and equipment. Still he was hired to assist with roping and then the man decided to go for the summit. Nobody is to blame here. Nobody could have helped him any way. What do you expect people to do? Risk their lives for somebody that is not supposed to be there and is already dying? He could not be saved any way in this freezing temperatures and circumstances. You can only help yourself on the mountain, that is hard and risky enough.
@@TruusvanEs Maybe.
Hassan made the decision to go on the mountain
It was immoral to allow Mr. Hassan to go there without proper gear and equipment in the first instance. Ignore the rest. It should have stopped there. These high altitude climbers are selfish egotistical narcissists beyond measure.
How Absolutely Disgusting that Any of those climbers allowed him to go on the climb without making sure he was as well equipped as they were!!! And of course making sure he had experience.
Disgusting and Arrogant and Selfish people, who are as guilty as the operator 🤬
Bless the ones who tried to help him.
After decades of climbers adding their own to huge piles of garbage littering the sides, paths and (especially) the camps of these mountains, it's about time they took responsibility. I'm glad they're protecting their precious resources. And if climbing in a more adventurous style is for you, or you don't want to follow the regulations, how about this--go climb another mountain. Have respect for where you are. "Your" conquest is their home.
The seas have the same "garbage" problem, but because of international waters, no jurisdiction and no legal enforcement are the norm.
The authorities don't want it to become the next Everest, so good for them for bringing in regulations. Of you're not fit enough to carry your own waste then you're not fit enough to do the expedition
RE: Problems for climbers- 13:35 “…how practical to enforce these rules in such a remote and harsh environment.” How practical is it to climb the mountain in the first place? 14:42 And whinging about the increased costs and the increased difficulty in having to clean up after yourself. Hire someone to carry it. And extreme climbing is such an expensive endeavor in the first place which relatively few can afford. How unfair that some of these folks may need to stay home or pay even more money?
So when a porter dies cleaning up trash you will be fine with that? So long as trash that isn't bothering anything or anyone nor will it end up in the ocean like trash from many of these countries, is removed from the mountain so they can throw it in the ocean.
@@bradsanders407 but the trash and waste is bothering people... literally locals are dependent* on the melting snow and ice that runs down to them... imagine if someone shit in your water source.
exactly, the rules are made for people like you to keep away from the mountain.
My heart goes out to Mr. Hassan's Mother, his wife and children, and his loved ones - it's a damn shame he picked that crowd of pukes to be with. Thank God for the good folks like Kristin Harila, Tenjin, Lama, Sherpa, and Gabriel Tarso Silva - and their team that tried to help him. God bless the sherpa's that these 'mountain climbers' pay pennies to - expecting them to risk their lives to support their families...and they do. There should be some kind of insurance for the sherpa's that don't come home - and the climbers should fund it. I'm glad they've changed the rules, it makes me angry watching all the egos "without any mercy" climbing over each other's bodies to reach the summit...leaving behind their garbage, oxygen cannisters, human waste, and bodies - their filth, it seems like contempt to conquer. It's a sin.
13:52 They don’t want to clean up after themselves, then they shouldn’t go. Or hire someone to carry it. K2 is not a garbage dump.
Everest is. Why not K2?
Seriously though, surely the "leave no trace" rule is an excellent idea.
How is one person going to carry the remnants of months worth of supplies down K2? So you want them to hire locals to risk their life to bring trash from a place where it isnt bothering anyone or anything, where no one can see it but the ones leaving it, risk their lives to then throw it in the ocean? Thats smart
If Mr Hassan was an adult, he should have chosen not to be there, considering that if something happened to him, his children would be orphaned of their father.
Living in the area, he surely must have heard it was a dangerous mountain and that even experienced mountain climbers died in K2.
Other people could have lost their lives trying to save him.
From the comfort of my couch, I can say I'd have done anything to save him! But what if I was there instead, barely managing to deal with my own weight? Could I realistically have carried an adult man all the way down the mountain? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
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Righto so a scuba team allows a novice with no underwater gear to come along. He should not have even been allowed there
It’s really hard to comprehend the people that put themselves in this situation where there are simply too many people on the mountain, where they have to wait for the person in front of them, in this case the hundreds of people in front of them, when they have no time to waste at all and yet they still go, unbelievable!
I refuse to believe that noone told him to turn around, more than once.
“This has led to longer wait times for approval” oh no. You have to wait longer to climb a mountain, the horror. The people demand regulations be put in place, want you to prove you have experience, then cry when you have to do that. 🙄
You do realize you are talking about 2 completely different groups right? Now get this, when you have 2 different groups with differing opinions, one group will pull for something and the other group will be against that thing. What im trying to say is no one who is asking for more regulations is complaing about regulations. Id be willing to wager people crying about regulations of climbing a freaking rock have never and will never climb said rock. They just love being karens about things that dont affect them the least bit.
6:17 “I don’t know what it is about being on a mountain that makes people less empathetic and helpful”
9:00 “delays force climbers to wait in freezing conditions for sometimes hours, at increased risk to avalanches and falling rocks, increasing risk of exhaustion, hypothermia, altitude sickness, or changing weather”
The need to save oneself can turn people heartless and cold.
Some of the larger climbing companies already require you climbed two 8000 m peaks for a while now, Everest being mandatory.
His life could have been saved by not allowing him to climb at all how can you be motivated if you are not prepared.
If he is a grown man it is not somebody else's or the government's job to tell you where you can or can't go on a planet that we all live if the man wanted to go up there naked and die that's that man's choice but don't expect anybody else to save you
Soon to be the Worlds second highest dumping ground and high altitude frozen cemetery 🪦
The help that guy needed was not after he fell, but before. I don''t go climbing into death zones under avalanches, but if I were a mountaineer, I think I would know to not let someone ill-equipped go, and with all the money shelled out for plane fares, hotels, guides, permits, and all, I think i would have found some to spare to get him some better equipment. I mean, there must be used down suits and boots for sale around there somewhere. Or take up a collection, to suit him up. Getting someone down from height is nearly impossible in real life, but in the same real life it is entirely possible to prevent tragedies like that one without going to major expense. Yet that needed help was denied. Change rules.
I didn’t know Pakistan had a government. Two Pakistani colleagues, being women, have become too afraid to visit loved ones at home.
@@lisaschuster686 There's no go area's in the UK, that even cops only go if there's a very good reason, because they've imposed their own shariah etc. Unfortunately some very dysfunctional & dangerous extremism going on.
Nothing to do with mountaineering, but it creeps into all aspects of life
@@lisaschuster686 Try coming to South Yorkshire in the UK...it's same mindset
Yes Pakistan has a govt. And your perspective is actually cent percent accurate too.
Firs you need to understand what Pakistan is. It's a collection of Indian Muslims who did not want to Live in a democratic nation that was majority Hindu after '1000 years of dominating the infidels' (basically referring to 800 years of Islamic rule of India, the British actually left the Indian public exactly as they found them, poor. The Islamic rule did exactly what the British did, slowly dismantled the Hindu culture and society and grabbed all the money under their own coffers. Overall if you look at what British did in India, in no shape, or form were they any different from Islamic rulers who they beat down).
So that nations identity is Islam. Now it's not Saudi Arabia Islam. South Asian Muslims are always in a race to be TRUE MUSLIMS, distancing themselves as much from their past as they can. Tell them that their great grand father was a Hindu, they will attack you. If you live in India, you will find in the cities (very important) the Muslims have segregated themselves into their own communities, they dress differently, they talk differently, they will have different names for the same food than the rest of Indians. They will often draw and wrongly so the lineages of their food, clothing, language and even their ancestors from SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN. It's comical sometimes. So they already have this morbid hatred of their own true identity. They want to become TRUE MUSLIMS . They also want validation from who they see as true Muslims.... The Arabic fundamentalists. So their identity is a broken identity. But it serves a purpose... It's keeps Pakistan from balkanising. A Hindu India is a perpetual enemy, then there is Isarel and then there is America. The holy trio of enemy of Muslims in south asia (why whole of south Asia, I will explain down below). This stuff carried over 70 years has now become a malignant cancer. They may have a govt and consitution, but most of their judges, officer, beuaracrats have grown up on hatred for the others. Now in such a society the govt has a role, but it's more ruled by local clerics. If you wear a bindi, the red dot on forehead that Hindu women wear, you are Doing haram. Not long back you could see women wearing saree and a hijab in India. But those days are gone. Saree a tradition Indian dress is now a Hindu dress and is haram and frowned upon. In Pakistan it will be hard to find. So are bangles. Anything which women use for their beauty is haram. Now if those women have a voice..... My god... It will be a riot.
He should’ve never been there in the first place. Standard porter? Yes. But he was not even remotely qualified as a HAP.
Im not a climber. But, if I hired someone to be my porter and they didn't have sufficient gear. I'd be extremely worried for not only him but myself as well. This being the person I have to rely on for help! I would definitely feel like I was in trouble before I even started! I wouldn't climb with him...
great documentation thank you for that
15:00 can’t afford, don’t go. It’s simple.
New Regulations are Good!!... :)
No comment b c last time I made a comment they blocked me for 48 hrs but I’ll just say …no one is making anymore climbing these dangerous mountains So u deserve whtever comes to u ….
They left him hanging ..... 😲
His team members left him hanging upside down and headed for the summit? That shouldn’t happen.
Did you watch the video? A bunch of people tried getting him down.
Sheer will is important but experience is a must. Plus clean up your mess as you retreat. Its part of the experience. R.i.p. To all adventures 🙏 Be smart
These que's look like fun. I'm going to join, but when the crowd builds up a bit.
🤣party on the mountain
New regulations state the conga is a must whilst queuing 🥳
One thing that goes unconsidered in these climbing discussions is that these bottlenecks and traffic jams break the focus and mental flow of the individual climber - whether wealthy foreigner or a sherpa/porter. Climbing at altitude already invloves rest stepping and slow moving. The start-stop pattern for high altitude climbs - even modest ones as on croweded 14k+ mountains in continental United States. For example, the summer crowds on Longs Peak in Colorado - which is just barely a non-technical climb and even clear of all snow in summer, the bottlenecks beyond along its famous Keyhole route are disruptive for even a modestly skilled climber's mental focus. Longs is a dwarf mountain in comparison to K2, so the altitude and the much greater relative higher risk would magnify this disruption in focus and attention.
Imo he was not an "unsong hero of montaineering" just an idiot who has not have the slitest idea what he is doing. shaming the climbers who dont helped that idiot is discusting. Imagine to throw away your lifes dream because "Hassan" was an idiot and didnt bring montainering gear to the second tallest montain...THX no...
Well said. Being called a hero and getting respect seems to be undeserved nowadays. Respect is EARNED
I agree the real heros set mountaineering world records like to be the first gender assured man with genital warts and rectal bleeding to summit while leaving two months of my own fecal matter trailed to the summit. It is all about my life long dream and my love and respect for the mountains and the real mountaineering community who go out of their way to stroke their own egos while judging the experiences of others without the experience of knowing their experience. Anything to be more pompous and arrogant over my fellow man to put them down to feel better about myself. All while paying all the fees others demand but insisting on paying pennies on the dollar to all sherpas and porters who do the greatest bulk of work to make my trip possible and self importance more viable in my own eyes.
Such an ignorant comment
By that logic, no one should help anyone.
That is what is called lack of empathy and you characterised it perfectly
Nepal should implement some of those regulations, particularly on waste management and restrictions on who is qualified to climb.
Why? So you want people to bring trash down from somewhere where it isnt bothering anyone or anything. Will only be seen by the ones leaving it. Bring it back into civilization and throw it in the ocean. That makes sense. We should be putting all out trash uo there. Not bring it down where it will now be affecting people, places and animals. Stupid
They are corrupt. Asian and Sherpa owned companies use that too.
sorry if this seems callous but he had no down suit? no helmet? no bottled oxygen? had never before been on the mountain? would i risk my life and never seeing my family again to try to save someone that stupid? no.
He was poor and trying to make money for family they all do that.
Regulations do not really “prevent” much of anything at all. People choose. People have free will. Education, offering knowledge, is much more helpful than regulation… generally speaking. Even so, rules are still helpful. Limiting the number of climbers at any one time is a no-brainer. However, anyone expecting rules or regulations to “save them” are very sadly mistaken. Think. Consider. Question… everything all the time. What is true? What is the risk? The risk you are not considering is the problem.
Over crowding on k2 ? Someone been cut and pasting the homework assignments from the Everest videos
Extreme Edge rocks!
Why did Mr. Hassan climb when he was not even half dressed for the weather and without necessary equipment? That is just really stupid and irresponsible and an invitation for disaster.
Muhammad Hassan’s story is absolutely heartbreaking on so many levels. The fact that he, with no real HA experience, and the most appalling lack of proper equipment imaginable, still managed to climb 8200 meters high on K2 - which is no where near the walk-up most of the main routes on Everest have become, while keeping up with a handpicked team of Nepali, Sherpa rope fixers while carrying loads, showed that Hassan almost certainly had the potential to be a world class, high altitude climber, if only he had access to the resources one needs to go up there and come back down alive. In Hassan’s case, going from a LAP to a HAP with a K2 summit under his belt, would have, in all likelihood, been life changing for his ENTIRE family, in the form of income and future job opportunities that 99.9% of the people in this part of the world, literally some of the poorest in the entire world, could only dream of, and instead, they’re left with nothing but heartbreak.
Agreed. He will be missed.
Humans shouldn’t even be there - that’s why accidents and deaths occur.
I feel like you under play Hassan's own role in this accident. Nobody forced him to climb that mountain so unprepared.
People who sit on their fat butts thousands of miles from the mountains where they risk their lives to acheive their life goals of summiting suck extream peaks should not be so judemental. anyone who sets a foot on those mountains know that at some point your life is in your own hands. if fact , its part of the appeal. and the locals who are employed also know the reality. from the moment that tat sherpa lost his footing his life was over. thats the reality.
You don't blaze your own trails set your own ropes ,well you have no business being on k2
That western climbers let him go up K2 with such an appalling lack of gear is unbelieveable. Porters on the mountain should have gear as good as the climbers. This a tragedy that should have been avoided.
They should have had security to get him off the mountain prior to him even climbing up there.
I think they should have regulations and security up there for people who are not prepared.
The Sherpas are the guardian angels. The people that your life depends on. How could you not put them in state of the art gear?
And its about time they enforced guidelines.
The talk over is excellent 5 stars.
do Everest instead it's a lot easier
I really believe it is time for the mountain to be left at peace for the next 5 years. A full clean up of the mountain. I get that the local community need the money but maybe just maybe the government really need to step up to take care of their people….like other countries do. A lot of people get backhands to do the mountain, bribes and no consideration for the human losses. It’s time to stop for a while. It is crazy that people wish to climb with little experience. Tour companies need to be controlled and regulated. I’m sure I’m not saying what has not been said before. But really if the government is not listening maybe leading companies need to start taking a stand. Wake up for the shit really hits the fan in high levels of deaths.
Most of these shots aren’t even of K2? Just other mountains in the Karakoram
It’s a fake bullshit mad by AI video.
How could you just pass by and not help. If many tried to help they may have gotten him down.
People did try.
@ :33 That's not K2. That is Ama Dablam, which is only 6k meters high and doesn't qualify for this story. Did you think people don't know what the other mountains in the area are, especially one that is as unique looking as Ama Dablam?! You have no credibility if you're going to just post any picture of any mountain in the Himalayan or Karakorum range.
An avalanche of misinformation. Most of the shots are not even of K2.
These climber know the risk and there’s an area called the “death zone” if you can’t get back down on your own don’t expect people that are just as tired to try to carry you off. Every min in the death zone means death things are different up there.
Climbers need to go by the Girl Scout idea that is upper most in their minds during all their activities.
“GIRL SCOUTS LEAVE A PLACE BETTER THAN THEY FOUND IT.”
Thanks, good video. I appreciate it.
Negligece is not Accident
Great, now how am I supposed to make my annual K2 summit?
Expedition shouldve never hired him and then didn't supply him with correct equipment? A gofundme has raised 170k for family. A climber who started it is going to help them manage money as everyone related or otherwise will want some of that fortune.
Hes not a child. He knew the risk but went up anyway.
@Astorath_the_Grim I agree I also know that whether Pakistan or Nepal. They do it for the money knowing the risk. It's about poverty. His mom needed diabetic medicine and supporting his kids.
i have always been judgemental about people who take wreckless risks like this for essentially just clout but i realised I'm not much different. instead of work a normal job,i chose to do a Phd which in itself has a high mortality due to the stress and pressure
Education does not always make people smart
Smartest ever hassan climbing the deadliest mountain ever without proper gear and training, what can go wrong? How the hell it supposed to help his mother, if minimal amount to be in climbing group was something like 10-15k usd?
I have no problem with the use of technologies as long as they don't have escalators taking people to the summit
When a climbers excrement is worth the cost of gold to carry it away. Their greed money is 💩
How can I rescue chopper be at 24,000 ft and see those two dudes bodies I call bs
This is so disturbing… as a rock climber, there is no way I would leave anyone anywhere that needed help. All focus goes directly to a party in need of help period .
That’s not how it works up high. Very different rock climbing 30 meters from the highway than having to carry someone out of the death zone. Your life in the mountains is your responsibility. Optimally, people would help, but it is by no means required. That high up, you’re just trying to survive. The amount of will and fitness it takes to help someone at altitude is superhuman.
@@AscendingAdventures I understand it’s very different high altitude. But for me it’s more of a perspective of choosing to continue up a route seeking a peak instead of trying to help someone. Why would they just walk by continuing up the “death zone
@@MatthewWright-y9t oftentimes up is the safest option. Really hard to say not being there. Minimizing time in the bottleneck is key, so they likely have to continue up, and then when the line clears out, rap down. At least only 1 person died rather than 40.
they should lock down all of these mountains until they have been cleaned up.
Well what bothers me is seeing another in need and ignoring it. Some. Some need to rethink what it is to be a human. All the money some have and they couldn’t provide needed equipment?
Agree. It’s like Ok, you reached the summit, but do you never think back to the moment when you stepped over the body of someone who needed help and later died? There’s no way the climbers who refused to help never think back to that moment and their lack of actions for the rest of their lives.
The climbers who bemoan the use of modern technology should give up satellite and cellular phones. No automatic cameras. If no one in their expedition can't use a 35mm camera, damn the bad luck. Or suck it up and ask a non-purist to take their picture on the summit with a cell phone.
Forget about any advanced weather reports. Intuitive decisions about the weather only. If the luddites get it wrong, oh well.
No regulations about technology. Allow the modernized climbers to use technology as they see fit. No one is forcing purists to use advancing technology. Foregoing the use of technology to save lives, including their own, is a choice they make for themselves.
The use of regulations and the negative impacts can be worked out in the following years.
Everything changes, especially the human species. Sometimes the mountains have slight changes. Most often they don't. Revel in that. People are not mountains.
Reaching the summit and descending safely is an admirable goal. Most people, including myself, can only experience the feats through videos. I'm good with that for myself. I can accept that and hold mountaineers in high regard at the same time.
As human beings, each individual non-climber has every right to judge what we might perceive as immoral behavior. That's the way of the world.
Peace be to all.
And clean up the trash.
Very smart!!!!! Saving lives and the mountain!!’
It all comes down to greed and apathy. There is always something you can do, even if it's to just comfort someone as they die. I'm ashamed of the Climbers who just climbed on or asked them to move over. What is wrong with people?
Imagine praying to your mountain god knowing folk are leaving poo everywhere.
This is a sad and pitiful story. He should never have been allowed to climb with the lack of gear he had on? It should be up to the outfit he worked for to make sure he had everything he needed to be safe and warm. It's unbelievable to me that he needed money so bad that he risked his life. Shame on them all including the government. That being said that the climbers (not sherpas) know what they are getting themselves into and that other climbers can't risk dying to save another climber. It's an awful decision to make but it has to be made. God bless that man and his family. Prayers for them.
7:10 And as always, kids being kids... ; )
Seems like the majority of climbers put ego over humanity. Sad to see.
I do not consider Muhammad Hussan to be a family-oriented, mountaineer hero at all. Noone put a gun to his head to force him to do a job that he clearly was not qualified, not even close to being prepared for, all for very low pay in return. There are other methods to make a living in this world. Now, his wife is a widow, his kids have no father, and his mother has no help for her diabetes because of his reckless decision making. It is also so disgraceful to notice mountaineering tragedies where the other hikers make no effort or concern to try to another hiker in need!! The military has a view that no one is left behind, where mountaineers have the motto, we help no one but ourselves!
Readers prefer upbeat comments that use platitudes like “beautiful” and “courageous,” so I admire your honesty. I’ve watched enough of these, however, to understand that the strongest of climbers truly do not have the oxygen to help fellow fools at deadly altitudes.
The job probably pays better than working in lower risk jobs. It's like the guys that work in sulphur mines in Indonesia, terrible for your health but it pays more. Factory or farm work probably doesn't pay enough to put food on the table or provide medica
l care
Clearly you are a dick.
I am reallyglad that the help given by Kristin Harila and company was acknowledged instead of her being vilified
If we take your view, we should not have any labour regulations because all choose to work in a specific job.
Your comment is so appalling.
Imagine after getting all labour regulations in your developed country, you choose to mock people who live in third world countries, which lack such regulations.
Amazing and pathetic
Idc what the risk is in any situation if someone is in desperate need to life saving help I for 1 am going to TRY & do what I can. The thinking behind that is: if I find myself so far f*cked, I'd hope someone would help me the same.
Safer? Blow up the ice making up the Bottleneck area.
Don't like the Waste Management idea? Stay tf off the mountain then.
Give me a break. This video is a joke. He knew exactly what he was getting into. Climbers can't stop and help those who are ill-prepared. If you don't have the gear, you're taking unnecessary risks. Wokeness now comes to Mt climbing.
Muhammad was un trained, un fitted (gear), and told 100 times to go down. He only ever helped bring supplies into base camp. He had no right climbing that high. He cld have put many lives in danger for his stubbornness and poor choices. Instead, just his.
I don't agree with the concept that all people must have the opportunity to climb K2, even if they don't have much money. If you hold to that concept, shouldn't they also have the right to do all the other expensive things rich people do? But ressources are limited. So, who decides who gets the good and expensive things? A state bureaucracy? If so, why should anyone want to work hard and earn more money? Questions, questions.
The endeavors not is not practical for personal gain or personal accomplishment!
a squid game
The treatment of Hassan is disgusting on so many levels. Obviously he was poverty stricken and desperate and should have been properly equipped by whoever was employing him. To say nothing of the fact that he was literally and figuratively left hanging out to die.
He should have never applied for that job.
Could the increase in the cost of climbing be a result of inclusion of all the latest technologies mentioned and not the reduction in the number of permits issued??
The people mostly care sbout them self, even friends they just leave them alone that is the risk of climbers, but the supporters some especially the inexperienced one they earn the money to support they dont have knowledge n money , they are the one suffer n abused by the companies.
It's everyone's responsibility to ensure the safety of each other even prior to climbing.
99.9% of high altitude climbers are selfish assholes...simple as that. Even if you cant save somebodys life...to climb over them and leaving them to die alone just to get to the top is bang out of order. I would have to sit with them until they were gone then take myself down the hill...but thats just me and my opinion for what its worth.
Unfortunately in the mountains, your life is your priority. No one is or should be required to rescue you. If you can help, great. If not, better to move on and make sure you make it back safely. No point in multiple people dying because 1 person messed up. Being in high altitude, taking your phone out of your pocket can be laborious, not to mention that the Bottleneck is extremely dangerous and the less time spent in there the better.
Poooooor climbers have to carry their poop!
Why is this so repetitive? Need an editor? Hire me.
In the first place, the porters do not charge nearly enough for what they do. No one has any right to climb any mountain of any country they're not paying taxes in. Period. Those countries are free to manage their mountains they way they see fit and if that excludes western climbers, then so be it. Porters easily can charge 20X what they're currently being paid, and quite frankly I wouldn't blame them for taking climbers 3/4 of the way there then dumping their belongings on the Baltoro glacier for them to carry the rest of the way like hikers have to do on Denali.
Turned off after 2 minutes. I am so sick of these AI-created (or whatever they are) artificial voices that I'm just moving on from now on. Although they are much better than days past, the voices are still soulless, and I can't help but feel as if I'm being lectured to instead of being taught something.
Oh shock horror, I am now expected to be an experienced climber and bring my shit down from the mountain.
The path of mankind can be determined based on these people’s actions
Welcome
what is the matter with these climbers walking past? what is wrong with their heads??? i think all the people that make the climbs possible, porters and so on, should tell them to stuff it, carry your own stuff up there. it makes me so angry!! i get people need money, but damn. Those heartless dirt bags that just walked past... karma will get them, sooner or later.
😂😂😂😂😂
Why are there so many heartless comments here? Which, by the way, all appear to think they’re being ‘creative and sensible’ all while saying variations of the same phrase?
RIP Muhammad Hassan 😢
You will be missed.
My friend’s daughter climbed Everest last year and K2 this year, woo hooo congratulations! 🎉🎈🍾
On a very somber note, horrific that Hassan dent he had to do this for money and he didn’t even have the right gear nor a helmet!! Omg he never should e been there but I get when you need the money, that is so sad, didn’t know that. God bless those who helped him!!
RIP Mr. Hassan
I think the lack of empathy in allowing him to climb unprepared is a blatant disregard for life for those who are there allowing that allowing him to even climb.
He disregarded his own life as well.
It is sad he desperately needed the money to support his family, if those involved & left him for death didn't help him at least they should support his family life long
So you think customers or in some cases people with no ties to a person, be held financially responsible for someone who died while at work. So if you hire someone to come trim your trees and they die you will financially support their family?
They are supposed to be insured. All sherpas in Himalayans are they have a union even.
Talking about the people who go on commercial expeditions to climb Everest or K2 asif they're part of a supposed "climbing community" is ridiculous and shows how little they also knows about real climbing and mountaineering.
Due to insane fees, those who want to climb the most famous 8000ers are wealthy individuals but usually not accomplished and autonomous mountaineers.
They want to summit to "prove" something, not there for the pleasure or the experience of the climb.
Real mountaineers have been following self-imposed ethicsl ruler for decades already, want to protect the mountains and appreciate the cultures and people in the high lands, and only applaud to good regulations. Alas, higher permit fees, limited numbers and complex bureaucracy will mean only commercial ventures will be managing the climbs so it will just become a 100% millionaire merry-go-round.
Ban climbing K2, Everest and all Mountains end of story.
Thanks god i hate mountains. 😊
Ban climbing on K2
Climbers , guides, Sherpas, porters all the same. U go up incorrect gear, it's Ur problem. GREED.
You fall, it's your problem. GREED.
Just because U can buy a Porsche , it doesn't make U a driver.😂😂
Aww what a bummer to have to do more paperwork in an effort to keep people from dying. Heart really goes out to those poor folks profiting off of it.
That's insane his own group left him hanging and he was alive... THAT'S OUT RIGHT MURDER
They need to weed out all the monkey-see-monkey-do climbers on these mountains. An impromptu verbal exam, like medical boards, asking about its history, famed climbs, etc. Their inability to answer those will prove that monkey saw & monkey _wanted_ to do.
“Hit the bricks, Pal! No permit for YOU! 🫵”
Re human waste, this will also be done by Sherpas. NBD!