I've always thought pros in tournaments wavedash smoothly (w/o the crouching animation) because they're simply doing it REALLY fast. Turns out it's a whole different technique. Thanks for the explanation :D
Haha I wonder if I TAS a wave dash fast enough it will look like plink dashes, I'll try it out later. Some top players, myself included, will also do a wave dash but use the plink input. I might do a video on it one day.
thanks a ton, movement in this game always looked so fun but i never could figure it out but im already getting it now! very clear instructions and i really appreciate the explanation for why you would use this method
I play pad and have my layout X-L, Y-H, A-M, B-S. Then one macro (M+H) to my left trigger button in case. I tried to keep L free because I play Vergil. Thank you for the pointers Sparty.
@2:55 - You got a mistake here btw. Most character's jabs are 5 or 6 frames; 4 frame L is for the fast chars generally, eg Wolv, Strider, X-23 etc. Ammy in Solar stance has a 3F jab, and Chun-Li's DP is 2F.
There's a LOT of chars with a fastest jab at 4 or 5 frames, especially among the chars that matter more in competitive play. Do you have a list of each chars fastest normal? Seems like something you'd have Irae!
@@SpartanThrone Afaik the Bible's frame data for character normals is correct(otherwise that's not something I can easily test in-game). But generally, c.Ls are a bit faster than stand L, for "average" speed chars they run around 6 frames/5 frames, respectively. j.Ls are more varied. This is less consistent with the fast chars; some are both 4F, conversely there's a couple whose c.L is actually slower, eg Wolverine, Jill etc. Ammy's fastest normal is her stand L. There's also a couple of chars whose fastest move is actually their DP, rather than normals - eg Ryu, Akuma, She-Hulk. Iron Man's fastest move is close-range Proton Cannon, at 3F.
You made me curious so I went through them. The fastest stand or crouch lights for each character come in at this count: Fastest crouch or stand light: 3 frames - 1 4 frames - 18 5 frames - 15 6 frames - 7 7 frames - 6 8 frames - 2 9 frames - 1 Some of these chars had an opposite stand or crouch light that was more than 1 frame apart. I wasn't considering jump lights at all because you don't apply them in the same way at all compared to stand or crouch light, but 8 characters had jump lights faster than their stand/crouch lights. Even if you look at it as [4 frames or faster] vs [5 frames] vs [6 frames or slower], that's still: 3/4 frames - 19 5 frames - 15 6/7/8/9 frames - 16 Also in general the average stand light is faster than the average crouch light.
@@SpartanThrone Good times :) Comparing numbers for 2 diff frame values to 1 frame value isn't really a fair comparison though; you should use 3/4 frames vs 5/6 frames, then 7/8/9. In which case, by the numbers you gave here it's 19 vs 22. Stand L vs crouch L I noticed a pattern with the char's overall speed; a lot of the "average" speed chars have a faster c.L; it's the fast chars where that rule gets reversed sometimes...on the other hand, some of them compensate for this by having better range/hitstun on c.L. Did you look at the chars' faster Special/Hyper moves at all?
@@irae9 bro you tryna steal the 5 framers away from me??? why would I split them 3/4 vs 5/6 when I said 4/5 frames (and you said 5/6). That's cheating! On the stand lights overall being quicker I thought it was just a general design choice cause a stand light usually has less utility (not hitting low) so it's often quicker to compensate (or rather, the low hitting one is slower on purpose generally). Viper and Skrull being a couple of exceptions with standing low lights, but viper's St.L is 5f vs her cr.L at 4f, and Skrull have both at 6f.
As a pad player I use a macro on the back of the right handle. I essentially plink with my index and middle finger using m+h~l. I only do m+h~l just because I like to plink flight with doom
Yes each character is unique in a combination of 3 things in their dashes: 1) acceleration 2) top speed 3) total distance And those are different for front and back. Except for Arthur who doesn't have one. Some characters can plink dash super fast, and the faster you plink the faster you move around. Some others like Taskmaster have really slow acceleration and plink dashing forward slowly gets you around faster than plink dashing quickly, because the start of his dash is slow and you end up cancelling the slow part of his dash into another slow part of you go quickly. I'm not 100% sure about Tron's dash, I think hers are reasonable both front and back, but nothing crazy. But combining it with her air mobility is key! Dashes into jumping then airdashing will make her mobility go up. Then there's some kind of trick with her mobility that makes her travel much further in the air iirc, can't remember what it is but if you're in the main marvel discord you could ask Kobun he will likely know.
@SpartanThrone I appreciate you giving the tips. After watching, I adopted your style of plinking and it has worked for me so far. I'm only about 2 weeks in and will keep training until I can finally meet the people I watch at Evo top 8 :p
I can plink around the screen somewhat consistently, but for some reason when i try to i always get an unwanted heavy input. Is there any tips i can keep in mind for cleaning that bit up?
Vergil is lucky enough that he can wave dash back most of the time without it being an issue, and for forward dashing if you input MH and forward it automatically plink dashes for you. Chars like Zero and Chris will plink using S, so S~LM for example. And ty, appreciate you saying!
@@SpartanThrone no i appreciate what're doing for us thank you 🙏🏼 The S button works?😱😱😱 And i meant plinkdash with vergil and if there are any tips like that i would appreciate it more 🙏🏼 I will try them tonight thanks again 🙏🏼
@@SPONK223 yeah quite commonly the standard controller for consoles are called pads. If you mean that, I do show how it's often done on them within this video. Have you seen the whole thing?
I've always thought pros in tournaments wavedash smoothly (w/o the crouching animation) because they're simply doing it REALLY fast. Turns out it's a whole different technique. Thanks for the explanation :D
Haha I wonder if I TAS a wave dash fast enough it will look like plink dashes, I'll try it out later.
Some top players, myself included, will also do a wave dash but use the plink input. I might do a video on it one day.
Me too! I wasted a fair amount of time in the training room lol.
Thanks for making the video Sparty! This helps a ton.
Hands down the best wave dash plinking video and I’ve watched a lot over the years.
thanks a ton, movement in this game always looked so fun but i never could figure it out but im already getting it now! very clear instructions and i really appreciate the explanation for why you would use this method
That's great, glad to have helped! Once you start schmooving you won't ever stop 👌
all of your videos are easy to grasp and have a ton of useful information. Thank you so much. Cheers from the umvc3 reddit
Everything you do is gold my friend
I play pad and have my layout X-L, Y-H, A-M, B-S. Then one macro (M+H) to my left trigger button in case. I tried to keep L free because I play Vergil. Thank you for the pointers Sparty.
@2:55 - You got a mistake here btw. Most character's jabs are 5 or 6 frames; 4 frame L is for the fast chars generally, eg Wolv, Strider, X-23 etc. Ammy in Solar stance has a 3F jab, and Chun-Li's DP is 2F.
There's a LOT of chars with a fastest jab at 4 or 5 frames, especially among the chars that matter more in competitive play.
Do you have a list of each chars fastest normal? Seems like something you'd have Irae!
@@SpartanThrone Afaik the Bible's frame data for character normals is correct(otherwise that's not something I can easily test in-game). But generally, c.Ls are a bit faster than stand L, for "average" speed chars they run around 6 frames/5 frames, respectively. j.Ls are more varied. This is less consistent with the fast chars; some are both 4F, conversely there's a couple whose c.L is actually slower, eg Wolverine, Jill etc. Ammy's fastest normal is her stand L.
There's also a couple of chars whose fastest move is actually their DP, rather than normals - eg Ryu, Akuma, She-Hulk. Iron Man's fastest move is close-range Proton Cannon, at 3F.
You made me curious so I went through them. The fastest stand or crouch lights for each character come in at this count:
Fastest crouch or stand light:
3 frames - 1
4 frames - 18
5 frames - 15
6 frames - 7
7 frames - 6
8 frames - 2
9 frames - 1
Some of these chars had an opposite stand or crouch light that was more than 1 frame apart. I wasn't considering jump lights at all because you don't apply them in the same way at all compared to stand or crouch light, but 8 characters had jump lights faster than their stand/crouch lights.
Even if you look at it as [4 frames or faster] vs [5 frames] vs [6 frames or slower], that's still:
3/4 frames - 19
5 frames - 15
6/7/8/9 frames - 16
Also in general the average stand light is faster than the average crouch light.
@@SpartanThrone Good times :)
Comparing numbers for 2 diff frame values to 1 frame value isn't really a fair comparison though; you should use 3/4 frames vs 5/6 frames, then 7/8/9. In which case, by the numbers you gave here it's 19 vs 22.
Stand L vs crouch L I noticed a pattern with the char's overall speed; a lot of the "average" speed chars have a faster c.L; it's the fast chars where that rule gets reversed sometimes...on the other hand, some of them compensate for this by having better range/hitstun on c.L.
Did you look at the chars' faster Special/Hyper moves at all?
@@irae9 bro you tryna steal the 5 framers away from me??? why would I split them 3/4 vs 5/6 when I said 4/5 frames (and you said 5/6). That's cheating!
On the stand lights overall being quicker I thought it was just a general design choice cause a stand light usually has less utility (not hitting low) so it's often quicker to compensate (or rather, the low hitting one is slower on purpose generally). Viper and Skrull being a couple of exceptions with standing low lights, but viper's St.L is 5f vs her cr.L at 4f, and Skrull have both at 6f.
Needed this! ❤️
As a pad player I use a macro on the back of the right handle. I essentially plink with my index and middle finger using m+h~l. I only do m+h~l just because I like to plink flight with doom
Ohh wait so no thumb for your plinks?
@@SpartanThrone ya thankfully, much harder for me to plink without the macros
man thank u so much . i finally got it, it’s not a myth after all lol
Sick, keep practicing them until it's like breathing 👌👌
Smooth like butter
Every character has different speeds of plink dashing right? Like I mainly play Tron, so her plink dashing would be a bit slower?
Yes each character is unique in a combination of 3 things in their dashes:
1) acceleration
2) top speed
3) total distance
And those are different for front and back. Except for Arthur who doesn't have one.
Some characters can plink dash super fast, and the faster you plink the faster you move around. Some others like Taskmaster have really slow acceleration and plink dashing forward slowly gets you around faster than plink dashing quickly, because the start of his dash is slow and you end up cancelling the slow part of his dash into another slow part of you go quickly.
I'm not 100% sure about Tron's dash, I think hers are reasonable both front and back, but nothing crazy. But combining it with her air mobility is key! Dashes into jumping then airdashing will make her mobility go up. Then there's some kind of trick with her mobility that makes her travel much further in the air iirc, can't remember what it is but if you're in the main marvel discord you could ask Kobun he will likely know.
@SpartanThrone I appreciate you giving the tips. After watching, I adopted your style of plinking and it has worked for me so far. I'm only about 2 weeks in and will keep training until I can finally meet the people I watch at Evo top 8 :p
Please do a tutorial for Thor.
I'm no expert on the guy, you looking for how to play him?
I can plink around the screen somewhat consistently, but for some reason when i try to i always get an unwanted heavy input. Is there any tips i can keep in mind for cleaning that bit up?
Good stuff, dude.
I take inspiration from el maestro of course to finally do something like this 👍
hi dear
i just wanna ask on how do you dash with charge characters ( zero\Vergil ext...
and back dashing is hard with them to
again love ur work :)
and could you do a video on how to deal with HAGAAAAAAAAAR :(((((((((((
Vergil is lucky enough that he can wave dash back most of the time without it being an issue, and for forward dashing if you input MH and forward it automatically plink dashes for you.
Chars like Zero and Chris will plink using S, so S~LM for example.
And ty, appreciate you saying!
@@Rao0o0ody17 lmao I'll add him to the list for when I get back to video making
@@SpartanThrone no i appreciate what're doing for us thank you 🙏🏼
The S button works?😱😱😱
And i meant plinkdash with vergil and if there are any tips like that i would appreciate it more 🙏🏼
I will try them tonight thanks again 🙏🏼
@@SpartanThrone tyt no rush
Want to be good a plink dashing? Just gotta practice it all night and day. 😭😭
Hahaha, the nicest thing is that I can do it absent mindedly wherever and whenever 😉
Is there a way to plink on a regular controller stick?
As in, a normal pad for eg. Xb1 or ps4?
@@SpartanThrone is it called a pad
@@SPONK223 yeah quite commonly the standard controller for consoles are called pads. If you mean that, I do show how it's often done on them within this video. Have you seen the whole thing?
@@SpartanThrone yeah but I was multitasking so I’m gonna go and watch it again