@@patrioticcat5768 LMAO.. soon enough there will be.. the Universe: its the movie that just keeps getting weirder/better/crazier depending how you look at it.. one hell of a ride though amiright?
The thing that always gets me about Bay's movies is how ANGRY everyone is. Like, all the time. It makes it so hard for me to give a damn about anything going on, when all the characters seem to do is shout at each other.
This might the most nuanced and fair vid discussing michael bay in any capacity that I've seen yet, as a lot of people tend to usually rage at him just because he's bay, and honestly I think this is one of your best vids on that alone. Inconsistent is honestly a good way to describe his output based on what I've seen of him. The part about you saying how his films have the makings of a much better movie than what they are is a point I cannot agree more enough. I think that is most applicable to the transformer films, Those films potentially could be really good due to what they add to the franchise they are apart of by bringing into some great ideas and a really unique take on the series, as well as having really good music by steve jablonsky. A lot of people like to bag on the designs, but I don't think they get enough credit for how inventive and stand out as far as mecha designs go. There are some bad ones, but the ones that are good are pretty rad and I feel that's most of them. Even though he's got his problems, The amount of effort that bay puts into his movies Is so insane I cannot help but respect in that regard. I would say my favorite of his is probably the rock as well, with Armageddon, bad boys 2, and maybe Transformers 1.
This actually explains why I never watch the transformers movies anymore, but I keep watching the action compilations on TH-cam. The tones are really out of whack, but in isolation they're amazingly competent
And that's the only funny scene in that entire movie. Everything else is trying too hard to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the first movie, only to fail spectacularly at it.
@@jp3813 Ebert's revew: There is an ugly scene in "Bad Boys II" that I want to tell you about. A cop played by Martin Lawrence is alarmed that his 15-year-old daughter is going out on her first date. We see the girl, pretty and hopeful in her new dress, being fussed over by her mother. The doorbell rings, and Lawrence opens it to confront her date, a nervous 15-year-old boy, tall and thin, neatly dressed. Marcus and his partner (Will Smith) intimidate the boy without mercy. He is threatened with the unspeakable if he lays a hand on the girl. They demand to know if he is a virgin. They slap him with the N-word. At one point a gun is pulled on him. "Ever had sex with a man?" Smith asks. Then with a leer: "Want to?" The boy is terrified. The needless cruelty of this scene took me out of the movie and into the minds of its makers. What were they thinking? Have they so lost touch with human nature that they think audiences will like this scene? Do they think it's funny? Did the actors voice any objections? It's the job of the producer to keep a film on track; did Jerry Bruckheimer notice anything distasteful? Or is it possible that everyone connected with the film has become so desensitized by the relentless cynical aggression of movies like this that the scene passed without comment? "Bad Boys II" is a bloated, unpleasant assembly-line extrusion in which there are a lot of chases and a lot of killings and explosions. Oh, it's all done with competent technique. Michael Bay, the director, is a master of this sort of thing, and his screenplay was labored over by at least four writers, although there is not an original idea in it. Even the villain is a bargain-basement ripoff of Al Pacino's great drug dealer in "Scarface." The plot, briefly, involves Smith and Lawrence as partners on the trail of a drug supplier who moves his money into Cuba. Gabrielle Union plays Lawrence's sister, a DEA agent from New York who has been seeing Smith. Joe Pantoliano is the obligatory police captain who constantly chews out the guys (and for once, a movie takes notice of the body count after a chase scene). No one in the movie is very interesting; our eyes glaze over during yet another bone-tired retread of chase scenes that we have seen over and over again. Occasionally there is variety, as when the boys shoot up a Ku Klux Klan rally; I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything funny about burning crosses and guys in hoods. Do these images need to be given fresh circulation in 2003? The movie has a carelessness that shows a contempt for the audience. Consider a sequence in which two helicopters pursue a speedboat near Miami. I was never sure who was in the speedboat, or why it was fleeing. Maybe I missed something, but it didn't make much difference. Eventually the cops spray the boat with automatic weapons, the engine dies, and we hear "the boat is dead in the water." End of scene. As nearly as I can tell, the only reason this scene is in the movie is so that we can watch two helicopters chasing a speedboat. In a movie that is painfully long at 146 minutes, why is this scene taking up our time? The movie is so choppy in its nervous editing that a lot of the time we're simply watching senseless kinetic action. The chase scenes and shoot-outs are broken down into closeups that deny us any sense of the physical relationship of the actors or the strategy of a chase. It's all just movement. For example, after the action moves to the druglord's mansion in Cuba, the heroes commandeer his bright yellow Hummer for a getaway under fire. At one point it looked very much to me as if the Hummer drove into a pond, which would have brought an end to the chase, but no, seconds later it's back in the chase--no pond, no nothing. What happens next is kind of sickening. The Hummer speeds down a hillside entirely covered by the tarpaper shanties of poor people. Walls and roofs, doors and windows, dogs and chickens, corrugated iron and curtains, all fly into the air as the Hummer cuts a swath through this settlement. And I'm thinking, people live there. There's a quick mention that drug production takes place on the hillside, but still: Dozens of poor shantytown dwellers must have been killed, not that the movie notices. There was once a time when a hero would sacrifice his own life rather than injure innocent bystanders. No longer. The heroes of "Bad Boys II" are egotistical monsters, concerned only with their power, their one-liners, their weapons, their cars, their desires. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that characters who wipe out a village can also make cruel jokes at the expense of a kid on his first date. Everybody involved in this project needs to do some community service.
@@shiranuiaensland1442 He didn't know that the hillside chase was a homage to, or a rip-off of, the same sequence in Jackie Chan's Police Story (1985). He generally likes JC's Hong Kong flicks and forgives any issues w/ the scripts due to how entertaining the action scenes are.
Bay was part of the 90s music video auteurs making a name for themselves at that time. David Fincher, Spike Jonze, Michael Bay, Tarsem Singh, etc. He was clearly the most fitting for noisy summer blockbuster fare. Just look at the type of bands he worked for, and his emphasis on hero poses with larger than life spectacle. He's made two very good films (13 Hours and The Rock). Transformers is solid entertainment for what it is. The Island is "mostly" good. The rest are essentially guilty pleasures for hardcore Bay fans (yes, many do exist).
Patrick (H) Willems made two videos about Bay, saying that the latter always tried to grow as a filmmaker until he made Pearl Harbor. Apparently, according to assistant director KC Hodenfield, Bay tried to make it like a classic movie but it was like watching an Italian speak without his hands. Bay then concluded: "I don't change my style for anybody. Pussies do that."
@@jp3813 First of all you completely missed the joke here. Pat Willem is the guy who said we're watching movies wrong because people didn't like last jedi. And why did you say it was his opinion and now it isn't? You now the difference is Jerry Bruckheimer. Bay and Bruckheimer had a falling making pearl habor and stopped working together. So up until that point somebody(Bruckheimer) had a leash on Bay. After Pearl harbor no one did and we got to see the real filmmaking genius that is Michael Bay.
@@basquat76 If the joke is in reference to a different video he made, then you can't really expect someone to automatically get it. And I'm pretty sure I only used the word "opinion" once prior and it's in reference to my original post not even having it.
@@jp3813 it is litterally the only reason anybody knows who he is, so you saying if you referencing a different video is just sad. I Mean what Else would it be a reference to? And did say opinion, i dont really care how many times.
He is a hit and miss director for me. Like I love every Bay film mostly TF5 I hated but everything else yea I’ll watch. Ronald Emmerich films there not all the same style he seems to change it up. I like Independence Day , The Day After Tomorrow , 2012 , White House Down. But then he’s got films that are misses like Godzilla , Independence Day 2 then movies that are so different like 3000 BC. Also some of his films will have good cgi like 2012 and others just terrible like Midway. Plus some films he uses practical effects like Independence Day , Godzilla. He’s just all over the place as a director.
I was hoping Midway would at least be visually spectacular. Guess I was wrong. Sounds like he's also consistently inconsistent. At least in terms of special effects.
Bay really needs to return to his “The Island” Days. That movie is so underrated. The characters are decent, the fish out of water humor is brief but effective and the action scenes are rather good.
Michael Bay is not the worst thing to happen to the movie industry. He’s produced many good films such as Bumblebee, A Quiet Place, and The Rock. Not to mention he made an unforgettable Got Milk advertisement in his early years. When I first saw the movie Transformers (2007) back in 4th grade with my best friend, we had a blast, and it was an experience I’ll never forget. What some critics need to get through their thicks skulls is that not all movies have to be mature or consistent to be art, the same way not all critics agree on a movie. That’s the beauty with freedom of speech. Michael Bay knows what he’s doing, he’s far from stupid. He’s giving the audience eye candy called Bay-hem, which is what the audience would like to see from a director like Michael Bay. It could be worse. It could be Uwe Boll. Can you imagine Uwe Boll directing Transformers or 6 Underground?
I’ll be honest, Transformers is what made me love film, I love Bays style of action, I love how he blends CGI and real stunts it’s magnificent, he has an incredible eye for that type of things, but for all the praise I love to give him he also turns around and does some stupid stupid stuff, like dogs humping, why? Either way I love bay for introducing me to the world of film, for that I’ll always love him
Yeah, I also have a soft spot for his work. While his stuff can be a bit questionable at times, I can still respect his vision and outlook. And while I won't defend the humping dogs, giant robot testicles, the Pearl Harbor movie, or the horror remakes he produced, I can still enjoy the Bad Boys movies, The Rock, 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, The Island, and some parts of the Transformers movies as overblown spectacle.
Stupid stupid stuff (like having a robot/car pee on on somebody) relieves the tension with some comic relief. Not everyone has the same sense of humor but man, when it lands, it's priceless; th-cam.com/video/MzJbizELHYQ/w-d-xo.html
Top 5 Michael Bay films (not ranked list, listed after year of release: The Rock Bad Boys 2 (yeah I love the craziness of this one) The Island Pain & Gain 13 Hours
Imagine the convoluted plot of BvS,with the excessive mayhem of MoS dialed up to eleven and much more dumb humour,american flags,product placement,close ups of various bodyparts of the female protagonists and glorification of the US Military. That´s how it would look like.
@@ryans413 Before Joker, Todd Phillips made War Dogs, showing he could do something decent and serious even though no one was prepared for how good Joker is.
You know what. I fucking hate you, I really do. Your editing and transitions are top notch, your timing, mixing audio levels, your voice tone. You're a great fucking story teller and someone in TH-cam who cares about the craft of making a good video. I wish I was half as talented as you're.
13 hours might be Bay's best sleeper movie. For me sleepers are movies that as far as I know mostly nobody where I'm from knows about. For example as of recent JoJo Rabbit and The Farewell.
Crimson Tide was incredible but his later fondness for fast cutting and shakey cam made his films unwatchable. Man on Fire would have been so much better if he could have just filmed the scenes rather than endlessly and pretentiously waving the camera around all the goddam time.
Such as any creative outlet...Restraint and problem solving is what makes art great...just having the free will to do whatever gives us some crazy "sounds good on paper" but is just crazy when put into reality
@@distinguishedallureproduct879 There are people who cannot edit themselves to whom " free will to do whatever gives us some crazy "sounds good on paper" but is just crazy when put into reality" is true. Then there are others whose work is better without restrains.
I’m one of the few who enjoy the Transformers movies ( although I admit Last Knight is EXTREMELY hard to watch ). Granted I’m a huge Transformer fan in general. As much as people complain about them, the films kept the franchise relevant. I am glad though that a different director has taken over the reins, Bumblebee was really good. Of the Bayformers movies, Dark of the Moon is my favorite.
I'll say it: This is the best video I've seen about Michael Bay. It's a comprehensible look at why his work is the way it is and how it can be improved. My personal Bay film is also one of my all time favourite films: The Island. A pretty good story that engaged me enough with a pretty good score in my opinion. And I think that 13 Hours is probably his best film. Don't hate me. Here's my top 5 of his films: (DON'T HATE ME) 1. The Island 2. The Rock 3. 13 Hours 4. Transformers (2007) 5. Transformers: Age of Extinction
If you had listed Pearl Harbor or revenge of the fallen as one of your top 5 Bay films I would have to hate. But then again I'm a little biased as I don't like any of bayformers movies, not even the first one which is the least shit one
You're absolutely right about the budgets. That's why he seemed to keep getting worse and be peaking at the same time. But I'll always have love for him, 'cause he gave me The Rock and Bad Boys.
My rating of Bay's films: Transformers 1 - Good Transformers sequels (all) - Unenjoyably bad Bad Boys - Good Bad Boys II - Terrible, but I love it The Rock - Great Armageddon - Entertainingly terrible The Island - Great Pain and Gain - Incredibly entertaining Pearl Harbor - Not quite as bad as the actual Pearl Harbor 13 Hours - Didn't see it
His Bad Boys movies have the same tone as his Transformers films, and while many people definitely don't dig that, for me it's his main appeal. I dig that his films go from reveling in their ridiculousness one moment while being really gritty and serious the next, and since I know what I'm getting, I don't really get tonal whiplash or anything. It's like a more extreme version of the old blockbuster formula that the MCU has repopularized, just filtered and amplified through Michael Bay's insane mind.
Bay movies are what they are. They give what they're meant to give. Love them or hate them. Is your choice. SUMMER BLOCKBUSTERS is his thing. And he has achieved it in so many ways. They are action packed movies with incredible and over the top visuals with mindblowing special effects. I love explosions, high speed chases, humor, fast pace action sequences etc. And he provides it. The TFormer movies had their share of flaws. But you know what. I still watch them. Cause they are very entertaining. And l respect the hard work and effort that went into the designs of the Mech. As well as the fact that they took bits and pieces from every Transformers universe and put them into one Movie Universe while adding new dimensions and characters giving them a more cohesive history that others are using to today. Cartoons, comic books and movies and future movies.
@@seanbirch far from a fanboy. I just know that when l go to see a ACTION MOVIE. Thats what l want to see. As long as its fun and entertaining l am good. I wasn't looking for the greatest story dialogue in Die Hard as much as a TRANSFORMER movie. Like l said. Love it or hate it. His movie are what they are. If you don't like them.....simple. don't watch them.
tfcollect 26 Not simple. There’s something called constructive criticism. It makes life more interesting. And that’s the point of this video. He should just make “ACTION” movies, without forcing over the top crass dissonant humour into it. Did you watch the video? You don’t seem to have gotten the point. The problem is, along with the fun action, there is a large part that is just grating and annoying.
I watched the Bad Boys 3 trailer and immediately felt Bay's absence because of how dull it was. A week later the 6 Underground trailer dropped and immediately I knew he was a part of it. Say what you will about the guy but his movies have an undeniable energy to them.
@@tarikkovacevic6103 Bad boys 3 isn’t better than any movie. Period. Terrible story and cgi. Bad boys is why Mike bay has the movie fans he does have now.
The Rock is my favorite, it's "Just" Bay enough to be entertaining, followed closely by Thirteen Hours, I honestly forgot that Bay directed it, which meant he didn't go "Full Bay", nobody, even Michael Bay should ever go "Full Bay".
That Michael Clark Dunken scene from the island gets me everytime I see it. Such a short role but a powerful performance none the less. I mean you see the look of excitement when he is chosen to go to the island and the fear mixed with the child like ignorance is so palpable it's like watching a child being ripped away from their parents like they aren't ever going to see them again. That one scene, no matter what Bay makes after it, is a work of art.
I do agree that with the smaller films he gets to flex his muscles and does a much better job narratively. But I remember watching his latest Transformers film pretty much in awe. Because the randomness in the choices was becoming so erratic, so flippant, so not giving a flying fudge about the viewer... That the result resembled a kind of motion picture version of a Jacksson Pollock painting. Daring me to find narrative threads and cohesive levels of plot. Making me doubt if it's cinematic brilliance or just blank white noise of random events. As is said in Apocalypse Now: - You find my methods to be unsound? - I don't see a method at all... sir... I mean, I kind of want to study it like a Neil Breen film. Like how Freud studied the mad scriblings of Joseph Schreiber's Memoirs of my Nervous Illness. It just fascinates me how a man who knows so well the narrative standards can ignore all lessons so thoroughly. I mean. It's downright arthouse. I'm starting to wonder if he actually is a closeted Cinematic Genius, or if he's just what he looks like... A frat boy with too much money to spend...
Transformers 2007 created and shaped my vision of the American Dream. It’s all I wanted. This magical place where if I wanted something and I fought for it, I would get it. A true land of opportunities. No playing by the book, no logistics or waiting, If I wanted something I did it. Just chasing a dream and winning big time. This movie had all of it.
I’m a sucker for Michael bay movies. the way I see it, his movies are the equivalent of (some of) the newer call of duty games and the just cause series. They may not be masterclass stories but they are still pretty fun to watch, and no other director does dumb fun like Michael bay does.
You really nailed what I see as the main problem with his movies. It's like he thinks every single scene needs to either be a) heart-pounding explosive action, b) intense suspense sometimes mixed with plot exposition, c) tear-jerking or heartwarming emotion, or d) laugh-out-loud comedy. He bloats everything and doesn't let his films breathe.
wow omg, the way you edited this video and how the clips from different movies relate to each other is amazing. Gotta give credit to that. It must've taken ages or not if you're just that good. WOW. Well done!
Amazing work as always Rossatron. I am happy to find someone who tries to actually analyse Bay's work from a neutral point of view. I agree with almost everything you said, even though I have a very strong connection to Bad Boys. It is still my favourite Bay movie, even though I can admit this is more sentimental than rational. He should have the ability to dial back on some of those urges, but at the same time he does so many things right. Transformers was, for me, an amazing job and I seriously doubt anyone could have done a better job. Keep up the good work!
I agree with this so much... Michael Bay just needs better editing...and screenplays.... otherwise he makes some of the most beautiful and awesome shots. The way he merges CGI and special effects is indeed unmatched for the most part. The sound design is so well done.
Went to the doctor last month because a constant headache and he recommend me not watch any michael Bay's movie. I took his advice and the headache disappear. Thanks Doc!
I think 13 Hours was probably his most consistent work. Probably because there was only action, drama, the tension and of course a lot of patriotism to juggle in the movie.
It honestly surprises me in retrospect that Michael Bay wasn't hired to do a GI Joe movie given his obvious obsessive love for the US Military. I feel he would have suited that franchise a lot more than Transformers. Some of the best stuff from the first live-action Transformers flick was the banter between the soldiers and I was always let down by the fact that Tyrese Gibson and Josh Duhamal became glorified cameos in the sequels. I feel the simple problem with his Transformers movies is how painfully obvious it is that Bay has zero real fascination or affinity for the franchise or the characters that inhabit them. His raunchy black-comedy approach was always jarringly at odds with the larger-than-life intergalactic war narratives that come with the Transformer's lore. One of the reasons I love the recent live-action effort (Bumblebee) is that Travis Knight masterfully built on Bay's accomplishments when it came to visually bringing the Transformers to life and finally inserting in characters you can give a damn about. That and it's obvious Knight actually loves the Transformers brand. While I would never call anything in his filmography great action cinema, Bay is capable of making fun popcorn entertainment (Ex. Bad Boys I and II, The Rock, Pain & Gain, The Island) and the mostly serious 13 Hours showcased that he is capable pulling off dramatic pathos. From a technical and film-making standpoint I find little to complain with his films outside of his tendency to abuse the rapid-fire editing technique. It's just...the Transformers movies really bring out all of his worst tendencies as a director and Revenge of the Fallen to this day remains one of the worst movies I've ever seen in the theater.
I agree with most of what you said. Personally I got an oficial respect and admiration for Bay quite recently so I might be "influenced" to talk about the amazing aspects of his films. (Granted, I only seen until the 3rd Transformers and have no desire to see them) But I don't think his movies are long, in the world where everyone complains about movie length his movies are seen by many... I guess the long joke scenes is part of his spice mixing that in the end works for many. I also think that we will start to see more of "Pain and Gain" Bay from now on. Very excited about that. Like you said, few have ever (and probably will never) have a command o the image and viceral experience has he does... so it is quite funny when (specially) filmmakers just bash on him. Exited to see his next chapter, I think it will be a good one. I'll be there on day one for his new one and hope we get a theatrical run. Anyone knows about this? I haven't seen the "Rock" and "Armageddon" since they came out... so I can't really put them on my favourites. But I have a felling they will, other than that I have the same list only adding The Bad Boys. In fact I had zero Dvd's of him and just got a bunch in my collection... should see them soon. And lets not forget he has two movies in the Criterion Collection.
Wow... This video wasn´t what I expected and at first I wasn´t sure if it was sarcastic. But you are right. About my anger about Bay and in particular the Transformers films I forgot over the years to see the massive unused potential. But then I think it was seeing all this waste of potential, that got me that mad in the first place. This video was for sure something different for my thinkbrain thingy.
The opening theme for this video reminds me of one of the scores for the Generator Rex animated TV series. By the way, I think Michael Bay could do extremely well at directing a live-action Generator Rex movie, if he wanted to.
Thank you for finally making a video about Bay. And an honest analysis too! Bay is my favorite director of all time. He far from the best in my opinion, but he is my favorite. Being a young (upcoming) director myself, I get most inspiration from Bay's work, since that's the style and route I wanna take as a director. Of course I gotta do my own thing with it. But I always start with: How would Bay approach this scene? After that, I put my own thing in it. Reason I love Bay is because he makes every shot look gorgeous. Thanks!
The reason The Rock is good is that the script is pretty good, especially the character development, and the actors do a great job. It has one of my favorite casts. And the music, I love the music. I try to remember if there is a Bay film with a bad score. Maybe Bad Boys 2. I remember I watch the opening 5 minutes of Bad Boys on repeat because I loved the main title music by Mark Mancina. I love Steve Jablonsky's score for The Island and Transformers are great. I even liked it when he ripped off Hans Zimmer's Inception score for Dark of the Moon.
If I remember, I think that was one of the last movies Don Simpson produced with Jerry Bruckheimer. From some of what I heard about him, it sounds like he may have reigned in Bay a little.
I love that you pointed out that Bay's main influence is Tony Scott. Scott's films obviously being stylish but more reserved, only using his signature hand-crank camera, cross-processed Marlborough on acid stylistic application where it serves the character and story. Whereas Bay, on the other hand, just applies his style 'filter' all over entire roll of film regardless if it's needed. One thing both directors share is that both of them were scouted and signed by Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer, producers who have a great eye for stylish directorial work. Their catalogue of films is a crowd pleaser, style-over-substance joyride and Box office numbers say it all.
"Bay doesn't trust actual character or general establishment of story to ever be exciting enough for the audience", exactly! This statement perfectly describes his films. Calling his style of action/comedy inconsistent is absolutely true. Great analysis man!
I've always said about his Transformers movies that the core story thread is actually fine, it's all the stuff he puts on top. It's like trying to eat a slice of cake that is twice as big with four layers instead of two and lots of icing
VERY GOOD ANALYSIS! Most people dont want to do any sort of research. They just want to jump on the HATE of Micheal Bay. I appreciate this in depth opinion of his work. I agree with you on a lot of levels with this.
Hi dude. Firstly, I must say that your analysis on Michael bay style is perhaps the Most well put-together video on Bay-hem movies in a while. Sometimes people who don't like his movies, don't exactly know Why they don't like it or get confused why other people do like his films, even if they know that they are Watching a definition of Dumb popcorn flick. Except for the Humour and camera work part, I agree with you on everything else. He really is inconsistent, which is the only consistent part of his film making. If only Michael bay knew about his strengths and weakness around his films and focus on things which he is good at. Then, we will be singing a different tune about him.
I was there day one to see 6 Underground and I can tell you for sure that while it was enjoyable in parts letting Michael Bay go all the way up to 11 with an enormous budget behind him like this film did must never happen again A lot of the problems listed here are present in 6 Underground but to a more noticeable degree. Cartoonish quick-cut action,awkwardly placed comedy,crazy saturation and the movie feels longer than it needs to be especially with the opening chase involving the neon green sports car. It got pretty good towards the start of the third act though which is a common thing about many of bay's films whether they be Transformers related or not Great job with the video and super psyched to see you back after all this time Rossatron,in terested to hear what you think on action films of the past as well as some more recent action films. A good day to you sir
I've always liked the island the most out of his films. Ironically he wrote it himself and it's the only big film of his that flopped! Agree with many of your points, he's got a great eye for action but just fails to handle a story or character development. One director who doesn't get enough criticism is Roland Emerich! God he's awful
I remember being absolutely terrified by The Island when I watched it around the time it was released because of how tangible that reality was in the days before everyone knew about stem cell research etc. I wouldn't be surprised actually if it's influenced a lot of legislative stuff regarding human cloning because of how harrowing the premise of the film was. Nowadays it's nowhere near as effective because everyone knows you wouldn't have to grow an entire new human being to have organs that could be replaced without fear of rejection etc. but yeah, The Island is an absolute cinematic gem and probably the best film Bay has ever done. I think he even re-used the bridge chase scene in one of the Transformers sequels years later so yeah that shows how great what he did with that film was.
Wow, you were very naive. You know, there are lots of actual horrors going on in the world that you can worry about. You don't have to add fictional ones.
I really agree with your point about his use of comic relief. So much of his films are just long drawn out comedy sketches between action scenes that they ironically feel boring. There isn't enough emotional connection to the characters to care about the plot.
Great video, we should all remember: the parts of Mr. Bay’s movies which may be could be better, are still over the top if compared to some other producers.
I remembered seeing Revenge of the Fallen at the drive-in back in the summer of 09. It was a double feature with Star Trek. This was just after the film came out. It was so long that I feel asleep halfway through Star Trek.
The Big Bang was just Michael Bay directing the Universe
You just won the internet
Not enough skinny women with big lips. This universe sucks 0/10 - IGN
Holy shit, I think you might be right!
I think bay would be proud of this statement
@@patrioticcat5768 LMAO.. soon enough there will be.. the Universe: its the movie that just keeps getting weirder/better/crazier depending how you look at it.. one hell of a ride though amiright?
The thing that always gets me about Bay's movies is how ANGRY everyone is. Like, all the time. It makes it so hard for me to give a damn about anything going on, when all the characters seem to do is shout at each other.
I agree. It's more of a turn off than the shonky action sequences.
Have him do a Hulk film. With Banner the most serene and level headed character of the lot.
I know. There is the FBI guy in The Rock who seems to be passed off the entire movie for no apparent reason!
PEOPLE SHOUTING IS DRAMA - Mr. Plinkett
Also the problem is that he trys to make shouting comedy
This might the most nuanced and fair vid discussing michael bay in any capacity that I've seen yet, as a lot of people tend to usually rage at him just because he's bay, and honestly I think this is one of your best vids on that alone. Inconsistent is honestly a good way to describe his output based on what I've seen of him.
The part about you saying how his films have the makings of a much better movie than what they are is a point I cannot agree more enough. I think that is most applicable to the transformer films, Those films potentially could be really good due to what they add to the franchise they are apart of by bringing into some great ideas and a really unique take on the series, as well as having really good music by steve jablonsky. A lot of people like to bag on the designs, but I don't think they get enough credit for how inventive and stand out as far as mecha designs go. There are some bad ones, but the ones that are good are pretty rad and I feel that's most of them.
Even though he's got his problems, The amount of effort that bay puts into his movies Is so insane I cannot help but respect in that regard. I would say my favorite of his is probably the rock as well, with Armageddon, bad boys 2, and maybe Transformers 1.
You're going to love Patrick (H) Williams 2-part series on Michael Bay here on YT, incredibly deep analysis.
Watch Lindsay Ellis videos on Transformers.
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Go fuck yourself.
Lindsay Ellis !!!!
This actually explains why I never watch the transformers movies anymore, but I keep watching the action compilations on TH-cam. The tones are really out of whack, but in isolation they're amazingly competent
yea. big robots fighting eachother will always be super awesome but the rest... not so much
The Reggie scene in Bad Boys 2 is hall of fame material lol
I haven't seen the movie since it first came out. That's the only scene I remember and it's still as funny as the first time.
I remember Roger Ebert absolutely despising that scene.
And that's the only funny scene in that entire movie. Everything else is trying too hard to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was the first movie, only to fail spectacularly at it.
@@jp3813 Ebert's revew:
There is an ugly scene in "Bad Boys II" that I want to tell you about. A cop played by Martin Lawrence is alarmed that his 15-year-old daughter is going out on her first date. We see the girl, pretty and hopeful in her new dress, being fussed over by her mother. The doorbell rings, and Lawrence opens it to confront her date, a nervous 15-year-old boy, tall and thin, neatly dressed.
Marcus and his partner (Will Smith) intimidate the boy without mercy. He is threatened with the unspeakable if he lays a hand on the girl. They demand to know if he is a virgin. They slap him with the N-word. At one point a gun is pulled on him. "Ever had sex with a man?" Smith asks. Then with a leer: "Want to?" The boy is terrified.
The needless cruelty of this scene took me out of the movie and into the minds of its makers. What were they thinking? Have they so lost touch with human nature that they think audiences will like this scene? Do they think it's funny? Did the actors voice any objections? It's the job of the producer to keep a film on track; did Jerry Bruckheimer notice anything distasteful? Or is it possible that everyone connected with the film has become so desensitized by the relentless cynical aggression of movies like this that the scene passed without comment? "Bad Boys II" is a bloated, unpleasant assembly-line extrusion in which there are a lot of chases and a lot of killings and explosions. Oh, it's all done with competent technique. Michael Bay, the director, is a master of this sort of thing, and his screenplay was labored over by at least four writers, although there is not an original idea in it. Even the villain is a bargain-basement ripoff of Al Pacino's great drug dealer in "Scarface." The plot, briefly, involves Smith and Lawrence as partners on the trail of a drug supplier who moves his money into Cuba. Gabrielle Union plays Lawrence's sister, a DEA agent from New York who has been seeing Smith. Joe Pantoliano is the obligatory police captain who constantly chews out the guys (and for once, a movie takes notice of the body count after a chase scene). No one in the movie is very interesting; our eyes glaze over during yet another bone-tired retread of chase scenes that we have seen over and over again. Occasionally there is variety, as when the boys shoot up a Ku Klux Klan rally; I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything funny about burning crosses and guys in hoods. Do these images need to be given fresh circulation in 2003? The movie has a carelessness that shows a contempt for the audience. Consider a sequence in which two helicopters pursue a speedboat near Miami. I was never sure who was in the speedboat, or why it was fleeing. Maybe I missed something, but it didn't make much difference. Eventually the cops spray the boat with automatic weapons, the engine dies, and we hear "the boat is dead in the water." End of scene. As nearly as I can tell, the only reason this scene is in the movie is so that we can watch two helicopters chasing a speedboat. In a movie that is painfully long at 146 minutes, why is this scene taking up our time? The movie is so choppy in its nervous editing that a lot of the time we're simply watching senseless kinetic action. The chase scenes and shoot-outs are broken down into closeups that deny us any sense of the physical relationship of the actors or the strategy of a chase. It's all just movement.
For example, after the action moves to the druglord's mansion in Cuba, the heroes commandeer his bright yellow Hummer for a getaway under fire. At one point it looked very much to me as if the Hummer drove into a pond, which would have brought an end to the chase, but no, seconds later it's back in the chase--no pond, no nothing.
What happens next is kind of sickening. The Hummer speeds down a hillside entirely covered by the tarpaper shanties of poor people. Walls and roofs, doors and windows, dogs and chickens, corrugated iron and curtains, all fly into the air as the Hummer cuts a swath through this settlement. And I'm thinking, people live there. There's a quick mention that drug production takes place on the hillside, but still: Dozens of poor shantytown dwellers must have been killed, not that the movie notices.
There was once a time when a hero would sacrifice his own life rather than injure innocent bystanders. No longer. The heroes of "Bad Boys II" are egotistical monsters, concerned only with their power, their one-liners, their weapons, their cars, their desires. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that characters who wipe out a village can also make cruel jokes at the expense of a kid on his first date. Everybody involved in this project needs to do some community service.
@@shiranuiaensland1442 He didn't know that the hillside chase was a homage to, or a rip-off of, the same sequence in Jackie Chan's Police Story (1985). He generally likes JC's Hong Kong flicks and forgives any issues w/ the scripts due to how entertaining the action scenes are.
Transformers (2007) is for me, the most nostalgic Transformers film I have ever watched!
Bay was part of the 90s music video auteurs making a name for themselves at that time. David Fincher, Spike Jonze, Michael Bay, Tarsem Singh, etc. He was clearly the most fitting for noisy summer blockbuster fare. Just look at the type of bands he worked for, and his emphasis on hero poses with larger than life spectacle. He's made two very good films (13 Hours and The Rock). Transformers is solid entertainment for what it is. The Island is "mostly" good. The rest are essentially guilty pleasures for hardcore Bay fans (yes, many do exist).
"The rest are essentially guilty pleasures for hardcore Bay fans".
Look man, I only watch them cuz of Steve Jablonsky's music.
@@86Fallowcp Hans Zimmer's score for Pearl Harbor might be his most underrated.
@@CameronM1138 all of the transformers movie have hidden gems in their soundtracks too. Dude almost always lets the music speak in some scenes.
"It's so dense. Every single image has so many things going on."
*-Rick McCallum*
"What's with Ricks?"
Michael Bay is BY FAR one of the greatest filmmakers. We’re lucky to have him.
“I’m Michael Bay, and I demand things to be AWESOME.”
I kind of like him.
Shadowkey392 he’s a miserable dick in real life.
Yeah but it stings inside a little that he is this rubber duck filled with cement and C4
And Awesome is what he does
Patrick (H) Willems made two videos about Bay, saying that the latter always tried to grow as a filmmaker until he made Pearl Harbor. Apparently, according to assistant director KC Hodenfield, Bay tried to make it like a classic movie but it was like watching an Italian speak without his hands. Bay then concluded: "I don't change my style for anybody. Pussies do that."
Well maybe Pat Willems just watches Bay film wrong
@@basquat76 Pretty sure the point presented above isn't his opinion in the first place. It's about what Bay & his assistant director said.
@@jp3813 First of all you completely missed the joke here. Pat Willem is the guy who said we're watching movies wrong because people didn't like last jedi.
And why did you say it was his opinion and now it isn't?
You now the difference is Jerry Bruckheimer. Bay and Bruckheimer had a falling making pearl habor and stopped working together. So up until that point somebody(Bruckheimer) had a leash on Bay. After Pearl harbor no one did and we got to see the real filmmaking genius that is Michael Bay.
@@basquat76 If the joke is in reference to a different video he made, then you can't really expect someone to automatically get it. And I'm pretty sure I only used the word "opinion" once prior and it's in reference to my original post not even having it.
@@jp3813 it is litterally the only reason anybody knows who he is, so you saying if you referencing a different video is just sad. I Mean what Else would it be a reference to? And did say opinion, i dont really care how many times.
Ross, dude, the editing in this is a work of art. I'd hang it in my living room if such a thing was possible.
Now I gotta see your perspective on Roland Emmerich.
Jamyang!
He is a hit and miss director for me. Like I love every Bay film mostly TF5 I hated but everything else yea I’ll watch. Ronald Emmerich films there not all the same style he seems to change it up. I like Independence Day , The Day After Tomorrow , 2012 , White House Down. But then he’s got films that are misses like Godzilla , Independence Day 2 then movies that are so different like 3000 BC. Also some of his films will have good cgi like 2012 and others just terrible like Midway. Plus some films he uses practical effects like Independence Day , Godzilla. He’s just all over the place as a director.
I was hoping Midway would at least be visually spectacular. Guess I was wrong. Sounds like he's also consistently inconsistent. At least in terms of special effects.
@@ryans413 IMO, his best films are Stargate, Independence Day, & The Patriot.
You should be an editor bro. The editing of this video alone of Bay’s films was slick and seamless.
I am an editor, this is a side gig
Talking about Bad Boys II: "Do we neeeed....?"
Me: "No. But I love it. It's bad, but I love it."
How is it bad ? Explain because it’s 2 black leading actors ?
Good to see some recognition for Dark of the Moon. It's not terrible! In fact, it has almost exactly the same 3rd act as The Avengers, except better.
Well The Avengers definitely copied the blue beam into the sky thing
I guess the lesson is the same everywhere: Being faced with limitations and challenges makes creators get creative.
Bay really needs to return to his “The Island” Days. That movie is so underrated. The characters are decent, the fish out of water humor is brief but effective and the action scenes are rather good.
Rainbowhawk1993 he will with six Underground coming out on Netflix in December
Michael Bay is not the worst thing to happen to the movie industry. He’s produced many good films such as Bumblebee, A Quiet Place, and The Rock. Not to mention he made an unforgettable Got Milk advertisement in his early years. When I first saw the movie Transformers (2007) back in 4th grade with my best friend, we had a blast, and it was an experience I’ll never forget.
What some critics need to get through their thicks skulls is that not all movies have to be mature or consistent to be art, the same way not all critics agree on a movie. That’s the beauty with freedom of speech. Michael Bay knows what he’s doing, he’s far from stupid. He’s giving the audience eye candy called Bay-hem, which is what the audience would like to see from a director like Michael Bay.
It could be worse. It could be Uwe Boll. Can you imagine Uwe Boll directing Transformers or 6 Underground?
I’ll be honest, Transformers is what made me love film, I love Bays style of action, I love how he blends CGI and real stunts it’s magnificent, he has an incredible eye for that type of things, but for all the praise I love to give him he also turns around and does some stupid stupid stuff, like dogs humping, why? Either way I love bay for introducing me to the world of film, for that I’ll always love him
Yeah, I also have a soft spot for his work. While his stuff can be a bit questionable at times, I can still respect his vision and outlook. And while I won't defend the humping dogs, giant robot testicles, the Pearl Harbor movie, or the horror remakes he produced, I can still enjoy the Bad Boys movies, The Rock, 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, The Island, and some parts of the Transformers movies as overblown spectacle.
Noe Hernandez honestly I completely agree with you
Agreed!!!!!! 💯💯💯💯
Stupid stupid stuff (like having a robot/car pee on on somebody) relieves the tension with some comic relief. Not everyone has the same sense of humor but man, when it lands, it's priceless; th-cam.com/video/MzJbizELHYQ/w-d-xo.html
Top 5 Michael Bay films (not ranked list, listed after year of release:
The Rock
Bad Boys 2 (yeah I love the craziness of this one)
The Island
Pain & Gain
13 Hours
For me.
1. Transformers 3 (action wise).
2. The Rock
3. Transformers.
4. 13 hours
5. Pain and Gain
The rock and 13 hours are probably my favorite of the list of movies bay made
Oh shit I forgot he did 13 HOURS.
Mine is both bad boys, 13 hours and transtormers 3 and 4
Mine's are: The Rock, Bad Boys 2, Transformers: Dark of the Moon & The Last Knight & 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi
I want to see Bay direct a superhero film. That’d be insane
Imagine the convoluted plot of BvS,with the excessive mayhem of MoS dialed up to eleven and much more dumb humour,american flags,product placement,close ups of various bodyparts of the female protagonists and glorification of the US Military.
That´s how it would look like.
Hey if Todd Phillips can surprise people with Joker I’m sure Michael Bay could do the same
@@doublep1980 So, Captain America?
No! I know: War Machine / Iron Patriot spin off!
Perfect...
@@ryans413 Before Joker, Todd Phillips made War Dogs, showing he could do something decent and serious even though no one was prepared for how good Joker is.
R-rated sub $100M, 100 minutes LOBO movie, funny as hell, violent and visceral.
You know what. I fucking hate you, I really do.
Your editing and transitions are top notch, your timing, mixing audio levels, your voice tone. You're a great fucking story teller and someone in TH-cam who cares about the craft of making a good video. I wish I was half as talented as you're.
13 hours might be Bay's best sleeper movie. For me sleepers are movies that as far as I know mostly nobody where I'm from knows about. For example as of recent JoJo Rabbit and The Farewell.
“An explosion a day keeps the Michaels at Bay”
No man, explosions are bait for us Michael's.
Damn, Tony Scott was fantastic wasn't he.
EllisThings an unsung auteur.
Crimson Tide was incredible but his later fondness for fast cutting and shakey cam made his films unwatchable.
Man on Fire would have been so much better if he could have just filmed the scenes rather than endlessly and pretentiously waving the camera around all the goddam time.
R.I.P. Tony.
Simon Payne I don’t agree personally; these felt like an expressionistic use of film, more like paintings.
@@chrisparkes Fair enough fella.
So Michael Bay is at his best when he has some restraint?
Such as any creative outlet...Restraint and problem solving is what makes art great...just having the free will to do whatever gives us some crazy "sounds good on paper" but is just crazy when put into reality
Have you seen the Star Wars prequels?
Like George Lucas taken to the extreme.
@@distinguishedallureproduct879 There are people who cannot edit themselves to whom " free will to do whatever gives us some crazy "sounds good on paper" but is just crazy when put into reality" is true.
Then there are others whose work is better without restrains.
@@ari1234a Very little can so it's really a rarity
Micheal Bay litterally makes ADHD in movie form.
Isn't this a common flaw in many directors too? At least he's consistent being 'Bayhem'.
I’m one of the few who enjoy the Transformers movies ( although I admit Last Knight is EXTREMELY hard to watch ). Granted I’m a huge Transformer fan in general. As much as people complain about them, the films kept the franchise relevant. I am glad though that a different director has taken over the reins, Bumblebee was really good.
Of the Bayformers movies, Dark of the Moon is my favorite.
That and the first one I feel were the most enjoyable
We have the exact same opinion. Transformers dark of the moon is actually a great film and better then the first
I'll say it: This is the best video I've seen about Michael Bay. It's a comprehensible look at why his work is the way it is and how it can be improved. My personal Bay film is also one of my all time favourite films: The Island. A pretty good story that engaged me enough with a pretty good score in my opinion. And I think that 13 Hours is probably his best film. Don't hate me.
Here's my top 5 of his films: (DON'T HATE ME)
1. The Island
2. The Rock
3. 13 Hours
4. Transformers (2007)
5. Transformers: Age of Extinction
13 Hours is often considered his best outside of The Rock. No hate here.
HATE EM All load of tosh.
Kidding.
If you had listed Pearl Harbor or revenge of the fallen as one of your top 5 Bay films I would have to hate. But then again I'm a little biased as I don't like any of bayformers movies, not even the first one which is the least shit one
You're absolutely right about the budgets. That's why he seemed to keep getting worse and be peaking at the same time. But I'll always have love for him, 'cause he gave me The Rock and Bad Boys.
How does everything “fall apart by the end?” He’s crazy creative and a true auteur.
My rating of Bay's films:
Transformers 1 - Good
Transformers sequels (all) - Unenjoyably bad
Bad Boys - Good
Bad Boys II - Terrible, but I love it
The Rock - Great
Armageddon - Entertainingly terrible
The Island - Great
Pain and Gain - Incredibly entertaining
Pearl Harbor - Not quite as bad as the actual Pearl Harbor
13 Hours - Didn't see it
Transformers 3 is pretty alright, and 4 is alright too.
Dude you need to see 13 Hours,it’s his best movie.
His Bad Boys movies have the same tone as his Transformers films, and while many people definitely don't dig that, for me it's his main appeal. I dig that his films go from reveling in their ridiculousness one moment while being really gritty and serious the next, and since I know what I'm getting, I don't really get tonal whiplash or anything.
It's like a more extreme version of the old blockbuster formula that the MCU has repopularized, just filtered and amplified through Michael Bay's insane mind.
Bay movies are what they are. They give what they're meant to give. Love them or hate them. Is your choice. SUMMER BLOCKBUSTERS is his thing. And he has achieved it in so many ways. They are action packed movies with incredible and over the top visuals with mindblowing special effects. I love explosions, high speed chases, humor, fast pace action sequences etc. And he provides it. The TFormer movies had their share of flaws. But you know what. I still watch them. Cause they are very entertaining. And l respect the hard work and effort that went into the designs of the Mech. As well as the fact that they took bits and pieces from every Transformers universe and put them into one Movie Universe while adding new dimensions and characters giving them a more cohesive history that others are using to today. Cartoons, comic books and movies and future movies.
"Bay movies are what they are." Wow, deep. You really are a Bay Fanboy :D
@@seanbirch far from a fanboy. I just know that when l go to see a ACTION MOVIE. Thats what l want to see. As long as its fun and entertaining l am good. I wasn't looking for the greatest story dialogue in Die Hard as much as a TRANSFORMER movie. Like l said. Love it or hate it. His movie are what they are. If you don't like them.....simple. don't watch them.
tfcollect 26 Not simple. There’s something called constructive criticism. It makes life more interesting.
And that’s the point of this video. He should just make “ACTION” movies, without forcing over the top crass dissonant humour into it. Did you watch the video? You don’t seem to have gotten the point.
The problem is, along with the fun action, there is a large part that is just grating and annoying.
@@seanbirch for you. many people find the stuff you find annoying and grating to be funny and entertaining
@@believer4002 Yeah, but it should cater to ME and people like me :p
I watched the Bad Boys 3 trailer and immediately felt Bay's absence because of how dull it was. A week later the 6 Underground trailer dropped and immediately I knew he was a part of it. Say what you will about the guy but his movies have an undeniable energy to them.
And both of them are better movies than 6 underground
@@tarikkovacevic6103 Bad boys 3 isn’t better than any movie. Period. Terrible story and cgi. Bad boys is why Mike bay has the movie fans he does have now.
@@Wh4L205 its basically made for hormonal teenagers to please their sexual fantasies
Exactly but the creator of this video conveniently left that out
@@Wh4L205exactly ur right
The Rock is my favorite, it's "Just" Bay enough to be entertaining, followed closely by Thirteen Hours, I honestly forgot that Bay directed it, which meant he didn't go "Full Bay", nobody, even Michael Bay should ever go "Full Bay".
TH-cam recommending me a small channel I actually really enjoy:
Pain and Gain and 13 Hours are probably his most stylistic pleasing films
It's easy to talk shit about Bay, but few can do what he can do.
Fair play, but the "Have you ever had your shit pushed in?" bit is iconic, and one of Bay's better choices.
Man, masterful editing here with the scene transitions. Spot on with the dissection of Bay's director abilities.
It's pretty obvious that you're enjoying editing this vids so smoothly. I'm loving all of it.
_The Rock_ is perfect. It’s a god damn masterpiece. 🤷🏻♂️
That Michael Clark Dunken scene from the island gets me everytime I see it. Such a short role but a powerful performance none the less. I mean you see the look of excitement when he is chosen to go to the island and the fear mixed with the child like ignorance is so palpable it's like watching a child being ripped away from their parents like they aren't ever going to see them again. That one scene, no matter what Bay makes after it, is a work of art.
I do agree that with the smaller films he gets to flex his muscles and does a much better job narratively.
But I remember watching his latest Transformers film pretty much in awe. Because the randomness in the choices was becoming so erratic, so flippant, so not giving a flying fudge about the viewer... That the result resembled a kind of motion picture version of a Jacksson Pollock painting. Daring me to find narrative threads and cohesive levels of plot. Making me doubt if it's cinematic brilliance or just blank white noise of random events.
As is said in Apocalypse Now:
- You find my methods to be unsound?
- I don't see a method at all... sir...
I mean, I kind of want to study it like a Neil Breen film. Like how Freud studied the mad scriblings of Joseph Schreiber's Memoirs of my Nervous Illness. It just fascinates me how a man who knows so well the narrative standards can ignore all lessons so thoroughly.
I mean. It's downright arthouse. I'm starting to wonder if he actually is a closeted Cinematic Genius, or if he's just what he looks like... A frat boy with too much money to spend...
Good take, my man.
Transformers 2007 created and shaped my vision of the American Dream. It’s all I wanted. This magical place where if I wanted something and I fought for it, I would get it. A true land of opportunities. No playing by the book, no logistics or waiting, If I wanted something I did it. Just chasing a dream and winning big time. This movie had all of it.
I’m a sucker for Michael bay movies. the way I see it, his movies are the equivalent of (some of) the newer call of duty games and the just cause series. They may not be masterclass stories but they are still pretty fun to watch, and no other director does dumb fun like Michael bay does.
7:58 Yes we do. I love that scene 😂
You really nailed what I see as the main problem with his movies. It's like he thinks every single scene needs to either be a) heart-pounding explosive action, b) intense suspense sometimes mixed with plot exposition, c) tear-jerking or heartwarming emotion, or d) laugh-out-loud comedy. He bloats everything and doesn't let his films breathe.
wow omg, the way you edited this video and how the clips from different movies relate to each other is amazing. Gotta give credit to that. It must've taken ages or not if you're just that good. WOW. Well done!
Amazing work as always Rossatron. I am happy to find someone who tries to actually analyse Bay's work from a neutral point of view. I agree with almost everything you said, even though I have a very strong connection to Bad Boys. It is still my favourite Bay movie, even though I can admit this is more sentimental than rational. He should have the ability to dial back on some of those urges, but at the same time he does so many things right. Transformers was, for me, an amazing job and I seriously doubt anyone could have done a better job. Keep up the good work!
I agree with this so much... Michael Bay just needs better editing...and screenplays.... otherwise he makes some of the most beautiful and awesome shots. The way he merges CGI and special effects is indeed unmatched for the most part. The sound design is so well done.
And what shall the bible say : “ In the beginning there was nothing and there was Michael Bay “
* Big Bang * directed by Michael Bay
Went to the doctor last month because a constant headache and he recommend me not watch any michael Bay's movie.
I took his advice and the headache disappear.
Thanks Doc!
If a Centurion Power Extreme cartoon was ever to be made into a live-action movie I think Michael Bay would be a great fit for it!
I think 13 Hours was probably his most consistent work. Probably because there was only action, drama, the tension and of course a lot of patriotism to juggle in the movie.
When watching his films, I always ask my self : "how did that thing explode?"
idk if anyone has said this yet but i love your editing transitions from scene to scene while u talk
It honestly surprises me in retrospect that Michael Bay wasn't hired to do a GI Joe movie given his obvious obsessive love for the US Military. I feel he would have suited that franchise a lot more than Transformers. Some of the best stuff from the first live-action Transformers flick was the banter between the soldiers and I was always let down by the fact that Tyrese Gibson and Josh Duhamal became glorified cameos in the sequels. I feel the simple problem with his Transformers movies is how painfully obvious it is that Bay has zero real fascination or affinity for the franchise or the characters that inhabit them. His raunchy black-comedy approach was always jarringly at odds with the larger-than-life intergalactic war narratives that come with the Transformer's lore.
One of the reasons I love the recent live-action effort (Bumblebee) is that Travis Knight masterfully built on Bay's accomplishments when it came to visually bringing the Transformers to life and finally inserting in characters you can give a damn about. That and it's obvious Knight actually loves the Transformers brand.
While I would never call anything in his filmography great action cinema, Bay is capable of making fun popcorn entertainment (Ex. Bad Boys I and II, The Rock, Pain & Gain, The Island) and the mostly serious 13 Hours showcased that he is capable pulling off dramatic pathos. From a technical and film-making standpoint I find little to complain with his films outside of his tendency to abuse the rapid-fire editing technique. It's just...the Transformers movies really bring out all of his worst tendencies as a director and Revenge of the Fallen to this day remains one of the worst movies I've ever seen in the theater.
Love the way you edit your video bro like that’s impressive and awesome
Totally agree - wish he’d do more like “The Island”, “The Rock”, “Pain & Gain”, and “Thirteen Hours”. The “Bad Boys” films are loads of fun though.
I agree with most of what you said. Personally I got an oficial respect and admiration for Bay quite recently so I might be "influenced" to talk about the amazing aspects of his films. (Granted, I only seen until the 3rd Transformers and have no desire to see them)
But I don't think his movies are long, in the world where everyone complains about movie length his movies are seen by many... I guess the long joke scenes is part of his spice mixing that in the end works for many.
I also think that we will start to see more of "Pain and Gain" Bay from now on. Very excited about that. Like you said, few have ever (and probably will never) have a command o the image and viceral experience has he does... so it is quite funny when (specially) filmmakers just bash on him. Exited to see his next chapter, I think it will be a good one. I'll be there on day one for his new one and hope we get a theatrical run. Anyone knows about this?
I haven't seen the "Rock" and "Armageddon" since they came out... so I can't really put them on my favourites. But I have a felling they will, other than that I have the same list only adding The Bad Boys. In fact I had zero Dvd's of him and just got a bunch in my collection... should see them soon.
And lets not forget he has two movies in the Criterion Collection.
Wow...
This video wasn´t what I expected and at first I wasn´t sure if it was sarcastic.
But you are right.
About my anger about Bay and in particular the Transformers films I forgot over the years to see the massive unused potential.
But then I think it was seeing all this waste of potential, that got me that mad in the first place.
This video was for sure something different for my thinkbrain thingy.
The opening theme for this video reminds me of one of the scores for the Generator Rex animated TV series.
By the way, I think Michael Bay could do extremely well at directing a live-action Generator Rex movie, if he wanted to.
Thank you for finally making a video about Bay. And an honest analysis too!
Bay is my favorite director of all time. He far from the best in my opinion, but he is my favorite.
Being a young (upcoming) director myself, I get most inspiration from Bay's work, since that's the style and route I wanna take as a director. Of course I gotta do my own thing with it. But I always start with: How would Bay approach this scene? After that, I put my own thing in it.
Reason I love Bay is because he makes every shot look gorgeous.
Thanks!
Your cutting skills are just epic.
He can make good films too, just watch 13 hours. Let the guy make whatever he wants
The reason The Rock is good is that the script is pretty good, especially the character development, and the actors do a great job. It has one of my favorite casts. And the music, I love the music. I try to remember if there is a Bay film with a bad score. Maybe Bad Boys 2. I remember I watch the opening 5 minutes of Bad Boys on repeat because I loved the main title music by Mark Mancina. I love Steve Jablonsky's score for The Island and Transformers are great. I even liked it when he ripped off Hans Zimmer's Inception score for Dark of the Moon.
If I remember, I think that was one of the last movies Don Simpson produced with Jerry Bruckheimer. From some of what I heard about him, it sounds like he may have reigned in Bay a little.
I love that you pointed out that Bay's main influence is Tony Scott. Scott's films obviously being stylish but more reserved, only using his signature hand-crank camera, cross-processed Marlborough on acid stylistic application where it serves the character and story. Whereas Bay, on the other hand, just applies his style 'filter' all over entire roll of film regardless if it's needed. One thing both directors share is that both of them were scouted and signed by Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer, producers who have a great eye for stylish directorial work. Their catalogue of films is a crowd pleaser, style-over-substance joyride and Box office numbers say it all.
I bet that having Michael Bay as a co-director for action sequences could be a really good idea
"Bay doesn't trust actual character or general establishment of story to ever be exciting enough for the audience", exactly! This statement perfectly describes his films. Calling his style of action/comedy inconsistent is absolutely true. Great analysis man!
I've always said about his Transformers movies that the core story thread is actually fine, it's all the stuff he puts on top. It's like trying to eat a slice of cake that is twice as big with four layers instead of two and lots of icing
Dude literally that is every experience I have ever had eating cake. That is, like, the essence of what cake is.
That first Transformers is a goldmine for memes
VERY GOOD ANALYSIS! Most people dont want to do any sort of research. They just want to jump on the HATE of Micheal Bay. I appreciate this in depth opinion of his work. I agree with you on a lot of levels with this.
I think you’ll love Patrick Willems video for Michael Bay
Hi dude.
Firstly, I must say that your analysis on Michael bay style is perhaps the Most well put-together video on Bay-hem movies in a while.
Sometimes people who don't like his movies, don't exactly know Why they don't like it or get confused why other people do like his films, even if they know that they are Watching a definition of Dumb popcorn flick. Except for the Humour and camera work part, I agree with you on everything else. He really is inconsistent, which is the only consistent part of his film making. If only Michael bay knew about his strengths and weakness around his films and focus on things which he is good at. Then, we will be singing a different tune about him.
“Don’t talk to me, don’t talk to me criminal” fucking kills me every goddamned time
I was there day one to see 6 Underground and I can tell you for sure that while it was enjoyable in parts letting Michael Bay go all the way up to 11 with an enormous budget behind him like this film did must never happen again
A lot of the problems listed here are present in 6 Underground but to a more noticeable degree. Cartoonish quick-cut action,awkwardly placed comedy,crazy saturation and the movie feels longer than it needs to be especially with the opening chase involving the neon green sports car. It got pretty good towards the start of the third act though which is a common thing about many of bay's films whether they be Transformers related or not
Great job with the video and super psyched to see you back after all this time Rossatron,in terested to hear what you think on action films of the past as well as some more recent action films. A good day to you sir
I love your work, your channel is so underrated.... Great video, keep it up!
I've always liked the island the most out of his films. Ironically he wrote it himself and it's the only big film of his that flopped! Agree with many of your points, he's got a great eye for action but just fails to handle a story or character development.
One director who doesn't get enough criticism is Roland Emerich! God he's awful
I do like Bay and his work, but yeah it can get way to over-the-top.
Your take on the first Transformers is spot on bro.
Tony Scott is massively underrated!!
Seems that Ryan Reynolds have a Love-Hate relationship with the color green
I remember being absolutely terrified by The Island when I watched it around the time it was released because of how tangible that reality was in the days before everyone knew about stem cell research etc. I wouldn't be surprised actually if it's influenced a lot of legislative stuff regarding human cloning because of how harrowing the premise of the film was. Nowadays it's nowhere near as effective because everyone knows you wouldn't have to grow an entire new human being to have organs that could be replaced without fear of rejection etc. but yeah, The Island is an absolute cinematic gem and probably the best film Bay has ever done. I think he even re-used the bridge chase scene in one of the Transformers sequels years later so yeah that shows how great what he did with that film was.
Wow, you were very naive. You know, there are lots of actual horrors going on in the world that you can worry about. You don't have to add fictional ones.
@@seanbirch I was 10/11 when The Island came out.
I really agree with your point about his use of comic relief. So much of his films are just long drawn out comedy sketches between action scenes that they ironically feel boring. There isn't enough emotional connection to the characters to care about the plot.
Hi. Did you toss in a clip from the No Time To Die teaser there at the end? The guy falling out of the building with the water.
I remember how amazed i was by that part in dark of the moon when optimus just runs through the decepticons one hit killing everyone.
Captain:D, D, DEA? Without Consulting me?
Mike: Ahh, There's DEA right there.(rolling)
Captain: Faq! Faq!
Gosh that is so true about Transformers Dark of The Moon it does have a complete tonal shift when the screen goes to black
Great video, we should all remember: the parts of Mr. Bay’s movies which may be could be better, are still over the top if compared to some other producers.
Great video as usual. I seem to like Bay more than you, but I grew up with his 90s work. Would love to see a video on Tony Scott.
I remembered seeing Revenge of the Fallen at the drive-in back in the summer of 09. It was a double feature with Star Trek. This was just after the film came out. It was so long that I feel asleep halfway through Star Trek.
Totally agree in everything, well done.
Hey, have you consider to make a video about unknown action gems like, perhaps, The Tournament (2009)?
Another critic....Bay makes millions entertaining people, critics speed comments for clicks.
Honestly bad boys 2 is one of my favorite action movies and yes the comedy scenes are in my opinion in bad boys well played.
He should direct a terminator movie set during the future war
Transformers Age of Extinction or Revenge of the Fallen are probably my favorites. They are so over the top and fun to watch !
Give Bay his ADHD meds and it'll be alright.
You watch your mouth talking about bad boys like that. They're cinematic gold