Hello! Yes, I know that it's Diandra cover from Elämäni biisi 2020. It was the only link with English Subtitles. The original is by Anneli Saaristo, I think?
My grandmother was evacuated from Karelia to western Finland with her family. She was on her teens then. Met my grandfather here. Returned to Karelia between the wars and was evacuated again. My grandfather was wounded in Continuation war and returned home. They married after the war and got 9 kids (1 died as a baby). 8 living ones visited Karelia back in 2010 when it was still safe to travel to Russia. Only church was left from the village. Everything else was destroyed. Karelia was once one of the richest parts of Finland now it's one of the poorest parts of Russia.
Especially Viipuri was at one time Finland second biggest city. I heard stories from that city. It was often the bankers to whom lived in Viipuri. And even back then, its was multicultural city. There also lived Germans, Jews, Tatar muslims, Russian, Swedes, Finns and of course, the Karelians.
This hits me very hard. I have a similar story to you with the difference that my mother's side stayed with the orthodox religion although they despised the russians. Later on, it became so difficult (in the 80's) that me and my older sister were re-baptised. You know... mother's tongue (and also mother's religion) and father's land. This sh*t became to haunt me so much that I cannot even begin to describe it... I was at my birth a pawn of a religious (both christian) struggle and as a boy, I got the whole fallout of that. I now detest them both.
@@BlaecHrim As far as I know my grandmother and her aunt (her mom's younger sister) turned Lutheran to get married and rest of the family stayed orthodox.
My grandmother had just turned 18 with her friends and they went to ask the sheriff for permission to go dancing. The sheriff told them, "Go straight home and pack, because you're being evacuated, the war is starting in the morning." So my grandmother and her friends went home to Sakkola. While my grandmother was on an evacuation train with her parents and some of her siblings (some of the siblings were transporting cows to Finland), the military authorities asked my grandmother to come with them and my grandmother had to work in the evacuation center for fallen soldiers in Käkisalmi until the end of the Winter War.
First time hearing this song and I’m Finnish 😢 I wish they would teach these songs in schools.. I’m in my 30’s and only now heard this song the first time.
My dad’s family lived in the Karelian Isthmus. Their village was over taken on the 6th of December, 1939. Which ironically was also the same date as the Finnish Independence Day...They owned about 700 acers of Land, which was donated to us after 300 years of slavery...We've been through a lot. Four of my relatives fought in the winter and the continuation war. Two was MIA, the third died at his sleep after the war ended and the fourth lost his entire left arm, due to the shrapnel blast. He passed in the early 1980s. But still, our Karelian sprit will inspire the world and always have a positive attitude towards life! Listen to "Kannaksen Poikia" which means "Sons of the Isthmus".
My mother was six months old when my grandmother took her and her two brothers and leave their home in Viborg. Grandfather worked railways so he was not home then. It takes two weeks they meet again. Today 74 000 ukrainian citizen came to Finland after Russia attack Ukraina. Never trust Russia ...
My grandparents on my mother's side were forced to leave Karelia twice, but they were the lucky ones as my grandfather was a master merchant for a major retail store chain. From there the things went south for him, he never came to terms with the killing of other men in the war, and sunk into alcoholism.
Molemmat vanhempani olivat Karjalaisia. Muuttivat Suomeen jo ennen sotia. Isäni haavoittui talvisodassa eikä joutunut menemään jatkosotaan. Ja kyllä, vanhempani olivat iäkkäitä kun minä synnyin. Isä oli 50v ja äiti 42v..❤
I am grateful that you are interested in getting to know such a small country like Finland. I have watched your videos before and you are wonderful. keep up the good work 🎉☺️
I can't listen those song without crying. My grandmothers family was from Petersrburg, my grandmothers father was a goldsmith (not working with Fagerge;) ), I never sew my grandmother, but I named my doughter after her. My fathersfather was born in Finland (1879), I don't know when and where my grandparents met each other... My aunts were born in Wiborg (Viipuri) and had education in Wiborg Finnish Girl's highschool, my father was born after they had to move to Finland. They had good life there, own house, garden, work.... My fathersfather was a locomotive driver and could contiue his work here in Finland, my grandmother (1893- 22.12.1947) died soon after they had to leave Karelian. I have her charter, she had so little :every householditems were listed, how many spoon, plates, cups and her socks (3), shoes(1), hats (1)... Now I'm crying when I read his charter...
Thank you for your reaction! Very touching song to us Finns. Especially today 6th of December when it's our independence day. A little correction: the area that is now the Republic of Karelia in Russia (the area you pointed out in a map) was not all Finnish land. Part of it was and Soviet Union also stole areas from outside of Karelia from up north as well as from south. This song is however about Finnish Karelians.
My family in the Western of Finland gave lots of farming land for the evacuees. My family was wealthy, and my grandmother's father was very keen on social justice , so my family never had any problem with providing for the evacuated families. But I know there were poorer families who felt it was unjust as they had to give some land away too. I kind of feel for them. Looking back, I think maybe wealthier families should have been obligated to give up more. An acre of a wealthy man means next to nothing, but an acre from a homestead barely making it can mean life and death.
We Finns was been slaves more than others, for Swedes and Russians, over 1000 years.. We are done for it and every Finn is ready to die for our land, thats the last respect we can give to this beautyful land, brothers and sisters and for everyone, proud of everyone who died in a World wars, Rest in Peace brothers!
couple month ago we played this for last time for my karelian grandfather in his funeral. He was young back then but he never forget how russian targeted running karelian women and children for fun and never forgot the feeling not knowing will it be his mother and sisters turn to die next.
So many points come to my mind. Firstly, three of my grandparents were from the areas, that are now part of Russia (two from Viipuri and one from Seiskari island). My both grandfathers fought in the war and both my grandmothers helped in the front via "Lotta" -organisation of women. Second point is, that there is a reason, why Finland has relatively the most capable army compared to all other European nations. only France and England have better capabilities. All men are subject to conscript service and any given time we have a very quick way of mobilizing 750 000 well-trained fighters. Our capabilities include the biggest artillery in Europe, most modern western tanks, anti-tank and anti-air missiles, as well as air capability with US-built Hornet fighters (the newest vesion of which is being applied at the moment (F-35). And yet, we are no threat to anyone, we have defence force only and very, very well-trained and motivated men and women to defend our country, if necessary.
My grandmothers home is right at the border. the village was split between finland and russia. they got to return home, but she lost all male relatives during the war. and half the village could not return and was just gone.
Merry Christmas season nevertheless. Karelia had already become divided culturally and religiously when Finland became independent, so not all of it was part of Finland before the war. Also part of it is still part of Finland, and with the evacuees, the Karelian culture has lived on. It was in the news today that there are 1 million of those evacuees and their descendant among the Finns today. Here's a choir version of the Leevi & The Leavings' song relating to the northern part of the Karelia, which is still part of Finland: "Pohjois-Karjala - Ylioppilaskunnan Laulajat". Leevi & The Leavings has made a Christmas album also, and perhaps a fitting song to the topic from that album would be this 'Very Unhappy Christmas to All': "Leevi & The Leavings - Oikein surullista joulua".
My grandmother's family is from Karelia and her family was not able to leave on time so they were captured by Soviet troops and taken to Russia to concentration camp.
my grandfather have to leave their home when he was little boy. And his family was sold, they was slaves on the ritch family. They must live in cellar. And ritch family was threated them like slaves.
Thank you all for all positive attention to twd Finland related to Winter War. But today, it is more important to pay attention to what is happening in Ukraine. Russia is doing the same thing again. Totally unjust war raised against Ukraine - exactly as it happened in 1939 vs Finland. SLAVA UKRAINE!!
This is old finnish war veteran song. It tells how there is no brothers any moore left. Very touchable. I cry every time because my grand father was veteran, and because I love my country 🇫🇮 th-cam.com/video/arKxCiTZoyQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LCFDPWPqazvusxZb
About getting the lost parts of Karelia back: It probably will never happen, and I would be for it only if it were without the current Russian inhabitants there, i.e. the people that were settled there after WWII. And by the way, my mother was one of those who had to leave their homes, and she had a longing for her roots all her life. Yes, this is a really heartfelt song about people driven away from their homes!
Also Karelia doesn't have anymore the infrastructure that was there when it was part of Finland not especially infrastructure to support modern living. Those who wish to get Karelia back doesn't understand how much the area has been neglected and that Finland doesn't have the money to make it properly livable even if Russia were to hand it over tomorrow.
Yeah, the auction bit is an artistic element. The land owners housed as many as they could, but there were just too many. The rest was taken care of by the government, essentially they were given state land later. But of course, from the point of view of an evacuee, it may have seemed like something more sinister than it actually was. Nobody was "auctioned", it was just.. a lot to handle.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but there actually was auctions to determine which of the evakot was housed in which home during the war (and they helped with the house work as much as they could too). So it's not just an artistic flair.
@@johankaewberg8162 unusual, but not impossible. Most swedish-speakers live along the coastline helsinki, hankoo, turku, vaasa etc at least so i thought. Sometimes people move, but if you would move as a swedish speaker to the countryside of ... the place where ilive in finland i.e. - you would not get far. Nobody here could chat with you, you would be forced to learn and use finnish here. My grandma was Finlandsvensk, so i do speak swedish because of that, but (thank god) also speak finnish... Either way, both people are finns. Not swedish finns, just finns. Even the Ålanders are finns, whether sweden likes it or not.
That part you showed on the map was just partial Finnish soil before the war. So called Karelian Isthmus and Karelia of Lake Ladoga were. Area You looked is nowadays so called Autonomic Republic of Karelia (earlier Autonomic Sosialistic Rep,,,,). Just small part of land Soviets took from Finland belongs to it. Try to find a map of Finland before year 1939 if interested.
I haven't seen proper explanation for the auctions (but haven't read all the comments either), so I'll give one to my best abilities. I might be a bit hazy on some details but my understanding is that yes, there were auctions when the refugees first came to other parts of Finland. In those auctions the refugees were divided to the houses that had room to take them in and naturally those that could help in the works of the house/farm etc. we're more wanted. Especially since many men of the house were already in the army or were going to be. So even if it sounds bad, slaverish, taking in more mouths to feed without getting anyone that could help was tough or even impossible for many families. So in some places the mother with five children and coffee pot was really struggling to have a place to stay but also many communities took care of the refugees with communal effort. What you read about refugees getting land etc. was true but it happened mostly after the war and after the parts of the Finland was really given up. During the war people still hoped to get back to their old areas and homes after war. Also the emptying parts of the country happened really fast so even if all the refugee families were tried to give land/homes of their own right away, it would have been hard since there wasn't just huge amounts of empty houses waiting for people to move in and the people also needed a way to sustain themselves somehow since their farms and occupations were left behind. So to recap: during the war many lived with relatives in other parts of country or with the families that took them in and after the war they got land. Hopefully that helps you understand the song better.
I'm not sure exactly what the auction part meant, but it wasn't that they were sold as slaves like it kinda might have sounded like. In the past lots of people like orphans, mentally or physically disabled or extremely poor people could go to auctions were they were given a place at a farm to work in. Usually the pay was very minimal and mainly the wage was a home and food but it wasn't slavery as it was a voluntary option for those who had no other option (it's not like the farmers themselves were rich). I suppose that was the case for many karelians at that time too
"voluntary option for those who had no other option !?" Please do clarify this sentense. What does it really mean. Can we say, that slavery is voluntary option for those who have no other option? This sounds like Monty python comedy. Naturally those farm owners look those people who are fit enough to work their benefit. Like the song honestly says others was left to handle by goverment. Always when one have no other options we can mention word slavery= forced to do something to survive. To be slave is not always because economically forced labour, it can also be due to situation of things.
@0oma0 I already clarified the sentence. What other option could desperate people have had at the time? Farmers were poor, and those people even poorer. It's not like today when we have Kela to keep us out of the mud.
@0oma0 btw, I think you are misunderstanding the point of the "auction". It was not farmers and landowners paying for another human, it was the opposite where the desperate person was offering the farmer his or her labour. Again a very drastic difference between slavery and employment
@@Qsen123 No, those auctions was to get work force to those farms. Those who could'nt benefit as workers was left out. this caused a lot of bitterness among karelian people, many times those farms would have room and chance to give shelter for also people who weren't economical benefit for the owners. I do have first hand knowlidge of those times, since my dad was two times evacuee from Suojärvi karelia. Naturally people don't like to remember the ugly side of things, they were there agree or disgree nothing chances in reality. Like i said those not beneficial were left to hands of officials, even Kela wasn't invented yet.
This might've already been addressed, but the auction part is partly as bad as it sounds, and partly not. This song is based on the winter war of 1939-40. At that time, it was assumed that the Western Allies would win the war and correct the wrong, and Karelian evacuees could return home. So resettling them was considered temporary and in may places their lodging was auctioned. Which means, families with one parent and many children were not preferred and were often the last to be housed. It is awful and shameful for us non-Karelians but that is what happened. The wikipedia article talks more about the situation in 1944 when after the Continuation War of 1941-44 the evacuees had to be housed permanently since it became clear there was no justice to be had from the peace treaty in Paris. And why it happened is a whole another can of worms, which is probably subject to another comment on another video. Thanks for doing this video. Happier spring from Finland.
Hi. I'm Finnish Karelian and I just want to point out that the green cross flag is the flag of East Karelia (it's not part of Finland and has never been part of Finland). We Finnish Karelians have a red and black heritage flag. Otherwise, our flag is the Finnish national flag because it is the flag of all Finnish people which we Finnish Karelians are. Most of the Russian Republic of Karelia is East Karelia. Some of the stolen Finnish land is part of the Republic of Karelia, but is part of the Russian Leningrad Oblast region. I have family from the Karelian Isthmus (one of the small seaside towns) and from the Border-Karelia area from a village (north of lake Ladoga). I can trace both sides of the family to late 1600s/mid 1700s, so it is safe to say my family has always lived in Karelia until forced out. It hurts to think that my grandparents were forced to leave and I never got the opportunity to live on my ancestral lands. So much of my family history is there, and a lot of it Russia has destroyed. For example they have destroyed many graveyards.
@@MaxSujyNorden The Finnish Wikipedia article for Karjalan Liitto has the correct Finnish Karelian flag. :) Karjalan Liitto is an association for the Finnish Karelians. The green flag is often used for all Karelians nowadays, but I wouldn't use it for the sake of avoiding confusion when talking about the Finnish Karelia and the Finnish Karelians only. It's also more associated with Karelian speaking Karelians, whom most of the Finnish Karelians are not. There are Karelians speakers in Finnish Karelia, too, but the majority of Finnish Karelians have historically spoken the Karelian dialect of Finnish. It gets a bit confusing.
how many decided to stay of more than four hundred thousand. less than ten people and most likely those those got sent to other parts of some other parts of soviet union
None of these are spelled correctly. I have not seen a single video of Eldankajärven jää with a correct English translation. They all use the same incorrect translation.
Hello! Yes, I know that it's Diandra cover from Elämäni biisi 2020. It was the only link with English Subtitles. The original is by Anneli Saaristo, I think?
Original and best version is by Veikko Lavi.
I'm a Finnish man and I can count the times where I've cried as an adult with one hand, hearing this song is one of those times.
My grandmother was evacuated from Karelia to western Finland with her family. She was on her teens then. Met my grandfather here. Returned to Karelia between the wars and was evacuated again. My grandfather was wounded in Continuation war and returned home. They married after the war and got 9 kids (1 died as a baby). 8 living ones visited Karelia back in 2010 when it was still safe to travel to Russia. Only church was left from the village. Everything else was destroyed.
Karelia was once one of the richest parts of Finland now it's one of the poorest parts of Russia.
Especially Viipuri was at one time Finland second biggest city. I heard stories from that city. It was often the bankers to whom lived in Viipuri. And even back then, its was multicultural city. There also lived Germans, Jews, Tatar muslims, Russian, Swedes, Finns and of course, the Karelians.
This hits me very hard. I have a similar story to you with the difference that my mother's side stayed with the orthodox religion although they despised the russians. Later on, it became so difficult (in the 80's) that me and my older sister were re-baptised. You know... mother's tongue (and also mother's religion) and father's land. This sh*t became to haunt me so much that I cannot even begin to describe it... I was at my birth a pawn of a religious (both christian) struggle and as a boy, I got the whole fallout of that. I now detest them both.
@@BlaecHrim As far as I know my grandmother and her aunt (her mom's younger sister) turned Lutheran to get married and rest of the family stayed orthodox.
Here I listen to this song on the day of Independence. Cryind like baby.
Cannot listen to this without crying my eyes out.
Mee too, 57 yo man
😢🇫🇮
My grandmother had just turned 18 with her friends and they went to ask the sheriff for permission to go dancing. The sheriff told them, "Go straight home and pack, because you're being evacuated, the war is starting in the morning." So my grandmother and her friends went home to Sakkola. While my grandmother was on an evacuation train with her parents and some of her siblings (some of the siblings were transporting cows to Finland), the military authorities asked my grandmother to come with them and my grandmother had to work in the evacuation center for fallen soldiers in Käkisalmi until the end of the Winter War.
Today, the 6th of december, I honor the finnish people! And my anchestors! Love you!
First time hearing this song and I’m Finnish 😢 I wish they would teach these songs in schools.. I’m in my 30’s and only now heard this song the first time.
Our familys land is now on the Russian side of the border. My family lived there for over 400 years.
Same here❤❤
@@haisuli1458 🤎
My dad’s family lived in the Karelian Isthmus. Their village was over taken on the 6th of December, 1939. Which ironically was also the same date as the Finnish Independence Day...They owned about 700 acers of Land, which was donated to us after 300 years of slavery...We've been through a lot. Four of my relatives fought in the winter and the continuation war. Two was MIA, the third died at his sleep after the war ended and the fourth lost his entire left arm, due to the shrapnel blast. He passed in the early 1980s. But still, our Karelian sprit will inspire the world and always have a positive attitude towards life! Listen to "Kannaksen Poikia" which means "Sons of the Isthmus".
My mothers mother was one of those who had to leave Karelia. She was a young child back then
Same here
My mother was six months old when my grandmother took her and her two brothers and leave their home in Viborg. Grandfather worked railways so he was not home then. It takes two weeks they meet again. Today 74 000 ukrainian citizen came to Finland after Russia attack Ukraina. Never trust Russia ...
My grandparents on my mother's side were forced to leave Karelia twice, but they were the lucky ones as my grandfather was a master merchant for a major retail store chain. From there the things went south for him, he never came to terms with the killing of other men in the war, and sunk into alcoholism.
Omg, second time whatcing and tearing from first secs. 😢❤️🇫🇮
I cant watch this video because i cant listen to this song without crying. I am half karelian. Tomorrow (6.12.) is Finland's Independence day
Thank you for letting me know. I will try to find a video about that day.
sama tässä karjalainen sukupolvi.
Molemmat vanhempani olivat Karjalaisia. Muuttivat Suomeen jo ennen sotia. Isäni haavoittui talvisodassa eikä joutunut menemään jatkosotaan. Ja kyllä, vanhempani olivat iäkkäitä kun minä synnyin. Isä oli 50v ja äiti 42v..❤
I am grateful that you are interested in getting to know such a small country like Finland. I have watched your videos before and you are wonderful. keep up the good work 🎉☺️
Thank you so much! :)
I cry every time I hear this.
Näin sitä käy...
My mother hark back twice back from karjala... I cry every time when hear this.. 😢😢
I can't listen those song without crying. My grandmothers family was from Petersrburg, my grandmothers father was a goldsmith (not working with Fagerge;) ), I never sew my grandmother, but I named my doughter after her. My fathersfather was born in Finland (1879), I don't know when and where my grandparents met each other... My aunts were born in Wiborg (Viipuri) and had education in Wiborg Finnish Girl's highschool, my father was born after they had to move to Finland. They had good life there, own house, garden, work.... My fathersfather was a locomotive driver and could contiue his work here in Finland, my grandmother (1893- 22.12.1947) died soon after they had to leave Karelian. I have her charter, she had so little :every householditems were listed, how many spoon, plates, cups and her socks (3), shoes(1), hats (1)... Now I'm crying when I read his charter...
Thank you for your reaction! Very touching song to us Finns. Especially today 6th of December when it's our independence day. A little correction: the area that is now the Republic of Karelia in Russia (the area you pointed out in a map) was not all Finnish land. Part of it was and Soviet Union also stole areas from outside of Karelia from up north as well as from south. This song is however about Finnish Karelians.
My family in the Western of Finland gave lots of farming land for the evacuees. My family was wealthy, and my grandmother's father was very keen on social justice , so my family never had any problem with providing for the evacuated families. But I know there were poorer families who felt it was unjust as they had to give some land away too. I kind of feel for them. Looking back, I think maybe wealthier families should have been obligated to give up more. An acre of a wealthy man means next to nothing, but an acre from a homestead barely making it can mean life and death.
Grandmother with her mother was one of those.. this song have deep meaning..
We Finns was been slaves more than others, for Swedes and Russians, over 1000 years.. We are done for it and every Finn is ready to die for our land, thats the last respect we can give to this beautyful land, brothers and sisters and for everyone, proud of everyone who died in a World wars, Rest in Peace brothers!
My mother and grandmother were there, my mother was 10 years old.
Both of my parents were children when they had to leave Karelia
Finland 1939
Ukraine 2022
That guy. That's a face for radio with the volume turned aaaaaall the way down.
couple month ago we played this for last time for my karelian grandfather in his funeral.
He was young back then but he never forget how russian targeted running karelian women and children for fun and never forgot the feeling not knowing will it be his mother and sisters turn to die next.
Why do I always cry when I hear this 😢😭 I don't even have any relatives from Karjala.
Same here, i cry every time😢
Hey! This is short version of the song... there is no mention of the young soldiers who march to their death
So many points come to my mind. Firstly, three of my grandparents were from the areas, that are now part of Russia (two from Viipuri and one from Seiskari island). My both grandfathers fought in the war and both my grandmothers helped in the front via "Lotta" -organisation of women. Second point is, that there is a reason, why Finland has relatively the most capable army compared to all other European nations. only France and England have better capabilities. All men are subject to conscript service and any given time we have a very quick way of mobilizing 750 000 well-trained fighters. Our capabilities include the biggest artillery in Europe, most modern western tanks, anti-tank and anti-air missiles, as well as air capability with US-built Hornet fighters (the newest vesion of which is being applied at the moment (F-35). And yet, we are no threat to anyone, we have defence force only and very, very well-trained and motivated men and women to defend our country, if necessary.
My grandmothers home is right at the border. the village was split between finland and russia. they got to return home, but she lost all male relatives during the war. and half the village could not return and was just gone.
Merry Christmas season nevertheless. Karelia had already become divided culturally and religiously when Finland became independent, so not all of it was part of Finland before the war. Also part of it is still part of Finland, and with the evacuees, the Karelian culture has lived on. It was in the news today that there are 1 million of those evacuees and their descendant among the Finns today. Here's a choir version of the Leevi & The Leavings' song relating to the northern part of the Karelia, which is still part of Finland: "Pohjois-Karjala - Ylioppilaskunnan Laulajat". Leevi & The Leavings has made a Christmas album also, and perhaps a fitting song to the topic from that album would be this 'Very Unhappy Christmas to All': "Leevi & The Leavings - Oikein surullista joulua".
My grandmother's family is from Karelia and her family was not able to leave on time so they were captured by Soviet troops and taken to Russia to concentration camp.
my grandfather have to leave their home when he was little boy. And his family was sold, they was slaves on the ritch family. They must live in cellar. And ritch family was threated them like slaves.
5:16. After the war, there just wasn't enough places to accommodate all the people at once so it took time.. 😞
6000 tropops help ät Estoniä winter wär Finländ.. Greätings from Estoniä.
True. Other goverments did not help much but voluntary people many countries came Finland to fight against Sovjet Union.
@@jroutasula5250 läst week päst äwäy our estoniän "Soumen poikä" läst estoniän who fight o in winter wär by äge 93 y.o.
@@toomasargel8503 in Finland we still have 2000 veterans among us, middle age 99 (wikipedia). "Suomen Poika" estonian men have high respect here.
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Thank you all for all positive attention to twd Finland related to Winter War. But today, it is more important to pay attention to what is happening in Ukraine. Russia is doing the same thing again. Totally unjust war raised against Ukraine - exactly as it happened in 1939 vs Finland. SLAVA UKRAINE!!
This is old finnish war veteran song. It tells how there is no brothers any moore left. Very touchable. I cry every time because my grand father was veteran, and because I love my country 🇫🇮
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About getting the lost parts of Karelia back:
It probably will never happen, and I would be for it only if it were without the current Russian inhabitants there, i.e. the people that were settled there after WWII. And by the way, my mother was one of those who had to leave their homes, and she had a longing for her roots all her life.
Yes, this is a really heartfelt song about people driven away from their homes!
Also Karelia doesn't have anymore the infrastructure that was there when it was part of Finland not especially infrastructure to support modern living. Those who wish to get Karelia back doesn't understand how much the area has been neglected and that Finland doesn't have the money to make it properly livable even if Russia were to hand it over tomorrow.
Yeah, the auction bit is an artistic element. The land owners housed as many as they could, but there were just too many. The rest was taken care of by the government, essentially they were given state land later.
But of course, from the point of view of an evacuee, it may have seemed like something more sinister than it actually was. Nobody was "auctioned", it was just.. a lot to handle.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but there actually was auctions to determine which of the evakot was housed in which home during the war (and they helped with the house work as much as they could too). So it's not just an artistic flair.
A coworker of mine was of Karelian origin. Only he was Swedish. He had some gripes with Russia…
what? swedish karelia?
@ His/hers family were Swedish Finns in Karelia, yes.
@@johankaewberg8162 unusual, but not impossible.
Most swedish-speakers live along the coastline helsinki, hankoo, turku, vaasa etc
at least so i thought. Sometimes people move, but if you would move as a swedish speaker to the countryside of ... the place where ilive in finland i.e. - you would not get far. Nobody here could chat with you, you would be forced to learn and use finnish here.
My grandma was Finlandsvensk, so i do speak swedish because of that, but (thank god) also speak finnish...
Either way, both people are finns. Not swedish finns, just finns.
Even the Ålanders are finns, whether sweden likes it or not.
That part you showed on the map was just partial Finnish soil before the war. So called Karelian Isthmus and Karelia of Lake Ladoga were. Area You looked is nowadays so called Autonomic Republic of Karelia (earlier Autonomic Sosialistic Rep,,,,). Just small part of land Soviets took from Finland belongs to it. Try to find a map of Finland before year 1939 if interested.
I haven't seen proper explanation for the auctions (but haven't read all the comments either), so I'll give one to my best abilities. I might be a bit hazy on some details but my understanding is that yes, there were auctions when the refugees first came to other parts of Finland. In those auctions the refugees were divided to the houses that had room to take them in and naturally those that could help in the works of the house/farm etc. we're more wanted. Especially since many men of the house were already in the army or were going to be. So even if it sounds bad, slaverish, taking in more mouths to feed without getting anyone that could help was tough or even impossible for many families. So in some places the mother with five children and coffee pot was really struggling to have a place to stay but also many communities took care of the refugees with communal effort.
What you read about refugees getting land etc. was true but it happened mostly after the war and after the parts of the Finland was really given up. During the war people still hoped to get back to their old areas and homes after war. Also the emptying parts of the country happened really fast so even if all the refugee families were tried to give land/homes of their own right away, it would have been hard since there wasn't just huge amounts of empty houses waiting for people to move in and the people also needed a way to sustain themselves somehow since their farms and occupations were left behind.
So to recap: during the war many lived with relatives in other parts of country or with the families that took them in and after the war they got land.
Hopefully that helps you understand the song better.
Thank you for the explanation! :)
I'm not sure exactly what the auction part meant, but it wasn't that they were sold as slaves like it kinda might have sounded like. In the past lots of people like orphans, mentally or physically disabled or extremely poor people could go to auctions were they were given a place at a farm to work in. Usually the pay was very minimal and mainly the wage was a home and food but it wasn't slavery as it was a voluntary option for those who had no other option (it's not like the farmers themselves were rich). I suppose that was the case for many karelians at that time too
"voluntary option for those who had no other option !?" Please do clarify this sentense. What does it really mean. Can we say, that slavery is voluntary option for those who have no other option? This sounds like Monty python comedy. Naturally those farm owners look those people who are fit enough to work their benefit. Like the song honestly says others was left to handle by goverment. Always when one have no other options we can mention word slavery= forced to do something to survive. To be slave is not always because economically forced labour, it can also be due to situation of things.
@0oma0 I already clarified the sentence. What other option could desperate people have had at the time? Farmers were poor, and those people even poorer. It's not like today when we have Kela to keep us out of the mud.
@0oma0 slaves are forced to work, those people were free to starve on the street if they wanted to
@0oma0 btw, I think you are misunderstanding the point of the "auction". It was not farmers and landowners paying for another human, it was the opposite where the desperate person was offering the farmer his or her labour. Again a very drastic difference between slavery and employment
@@Qsen123 No, those auctions was to get work force to those farms. Those who could'nt benefit as workers was left out. this caused a lot of bitterness among karelian people, many times those farms would have room and chance to give shelter for also people who weren't economical benefit for the owners. I do have first hand knowlidge of those times, since my dad was two times evacuee from Suojärvi karelia. Naturally people don't like to remember the ugly side of things, they were there agree or disgree nothing chances in reality. Like i said those not beneficial were left to hands of officials, even Kela wasn't invented yet.
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This might've already been addressed, but the auction part is partly as bad as it sounds, and partly not. This song is based on the winter war of 1939-40. At that time, it was assumed that the Western Allies would win the war and correct the wrong, and Karelian evacuees could return home. So resettling them was considered temporary and in may places their lodging was auctioned. Which means, families with one parent and many children were not preferred and were often the last to be housed. It is awful and shameful for us non-Karelians but that is what happened.
The wikipedia article talks more about the situation in 1944 when after the Continuation War of 1941-44 the evacuees had to be housed permanently since it became clear there was no justice to be had from the peace treaty in Paris. And why it happened is a whole another can of worms, which is probably subject to another comment on another video.
Thanks for doing this video. Happier spring from Finland.
Hi. I'm Finnish Karelian and I just want to point out that the green cross flag is the flag of East Karelia (it's not part of Finland and has never been part of Finland). We Finnish Karelians have a red and black heritage flag. Otherwise, our flag is the Finnish national flag because it is the flag of all Finnish people which we Finnish Karelians are.
Most of the Russian Republic of Karelia is East Karelia. Some of the stolen Finnish land is part of the Republic of Karelia, but is part of the Russian Leningrad Oblast region.
I have family from the Karelian Isthmus (one of the small seaside towns) and from the Border-Karelia area from a village (north of lake Ladoga). I can trace both sides of the family to late 1600s/mid 1700s, so it is safe to say my family has always lived in Karelia until forced out. It hurts to think that my grandparents were forced to leave and I never got the opportunity to live on my ancestral lands. So much of my family history is there, and a lot of it Russia has destroyed. For example they have destroyed many graveyards.
I will change to the Finnish flag. I wasn't sure which flag would be more appropriate at first. Thank you! :)
@@MaxSujyNorden The Finnish Wikipedia article for Karjalan Liitto has the correct Finnish Karelian flag. :) Karjalan Liitto is an association for the Finnish Karelians.
The green flag is often used for all Karelians nowadays, but I wouldn't use it for the sake of avoiding confusion when talking about the Finnish Karelia and the Finnish Karelians only. It's also more associated with Karelian speaking Karelians, whom most of the Finnish Karelians are not. There are Karelians speakers in Finnish Karelia, too, but the majority of Finnish Karelians have historically spoken the Karelian dialect of Finnish. It gets a bit confusing.
laulu=song
how many decided to stay of more than four hundred thousand. less than ten people and most likely those those got sent to other parts of some other parts of soviet union
Some pätriotic songs from Käreliä = Kärjälä " Kännäksen poikiä " , " Säkkijärven polkkä" "Eldäkänjärven jää" , " Silmiebn vällin"
None of these are spelled correctly.
I have not seen a single video of Eldankajärven jää with a correct English translation. They all use the same incorrect translation.
Kalamydia suomi on sinun