They honestly tried selling "just let people rob rich people" to Batman AKA Bruce Wayne AKA The man who's entire career began as vengeance due to a random crook robbing his rich parents.
@@stunfiredon't even mind that comment. Look at the username, pretty sure it's troll. But you're correct it's completely out of character for all of them
@stunfire it's basically like a comic where the bat family thinks killing villans is acceptable because it saves citizens. (I know Jason semi agrees with that mindset, and I personally agree with it, but the bat family would never.)
How is bat man in the wrong here, cat woman basically became a mob boss and the bat family is ok with it. And the story is trying to convince you that Batman’s the problem even though crimes are still being committed and what would happen if cat women’s gang decided to kick her out after she finished training them.
The craziest part about this story is the Bat Family is actively helping her. Like sure, if they believe trading crimes is what’s good for Gotham, it doesn’t mean they help out Cat-Woman and her goons.
@@mrdude88Exactly, I think Catwoman's plan is at least on the short-term fairly solid and can understand why members of the family would agree BUT Jason helping teach GTA? That's just weird and unnecessary, that is where I am at the moment and I have a feeling that it's only going to get further off the rails from here.
5:43 When Catwoman made the request for the meeting the rule was "masks off", the detail that Batman never took off his mask while every bat family member including catwoman did was because BATMAN is his true identity Bruce wayne is the disguise.
Full agree that we needed WAY more Zuranar in this series to properly sell the slightly unhinged batman. If they had handled him the way they handled Joker in Arkham Knight, i think it would have been a huge hit! Hope to see more of this Zuranar saga! Hm, but thats a bit of a mouthful... Z-Saga? :P
And who the Hell would possibly work for him?! He's so insane he's barely capable of coherent speech. Can you really imagine that guy paying his henchmen a living wage? Pyg's really out of it.
Anyone else find it messed up that Bruce did that to Jason? Man, he is not getting any parent of the year awards. I'm not a devout fan of comics, so someone tell me if Jason ever recovers mentally from the brainwashing.
Hey man I just started your joker war video. Man the voices and expressions are amazing 😢🎉. 👏 please do more comic full story. And Thanks for you're effort and work. Keep going. 🎉
I don't keep up with comics, so I'm not going to claim to know these characters well; but that thieves guild does sound like something Catwoman would come up with. Thank you for putting out all these fascinating stories.
does it tho? in all media I've seen her she acted the way she did because she was selfish. Even when she helped Batman it was because she liked him (aka made her feel good) not because of wanting to help or stuff like that. The only reasonable exception I can think of was the Injustice universe, but tons of people died there and her change of heart might've been due to that.
Catwoman: "Let's make violent criminals into non-violent criminals!" Batman: "Let's make violent criminals go to jail." Batfamily: Sides with Catwoman??? Selina, turning a criminal into another type of criminal is not the same as reforming them. What happens if they decide to go violent again after you've taught them all you know? Batman's right. As usual.
And how well has Bruce's plans worked for 99 percent of his rogues gallery? All he has ever done is sent the people he took down into the revolving door that is Arkham or blackgate. Selina knows it's not that simple, and ironically enough she has done a better job reforming criminals like Harley and Ivy whenever the three of them are together than Bruce ever has. It's the same with Jason and his view on certain criminals. Bruce's problem is he believes his way is the only way. And it drives many of the bat family away from him at one point or another.
@@darryljack6612Agree to a degree. While I personally align with Red Hood's usual, or original line of thinking, that it's death or reform, jail is pointless. But for this event or story I would have to side with Batman. Crime is crime, Batman cannot choose what crime is punishable or not. What is today's thief is tomorrow's murderer.
@@DeanVarney Crime is Crime, but Batman himself is (by the standards of the law) a criminal. Breaking and Entering, illegal surveillance, child endangerment, misappropriation of assets and or funds, at times assault. The list could probably go on and on. So to say his form of crime is okay, but hers isn't when both are in the pursuit to help people would be hypocritical. At the very least if trying to maintain the notion of "crime is crime". Especially when Batman's actions have led to death and murder.
@@darryljack6612yeah Bruce’s entire mission relies on him not thinking abt the fact that(unless vigilantism is legal in the DC universe and idk if it’s ever been stated to be so) he’s also a criminal
It was a good idea on paper but the fact that everyone turned on Batman made zero since and what he did to Jason Jesus... Batman has proven that he has the will to overcome pretty much anything so Zurrana should of been no different if I make a fanfiction on this story I taking what he did to Jason and making Batman use fear toxin instead
15:05 No, this is nonsense. Bruce can't 1v1 Cassandra. Beating the entire Bat Family is nonsense. There is the long established canon point that every member of the family is superior to him at something. Barbara has tech, Dick has empathy, Jason has militarized tactics, Duke has sunlight (sorry man), Tim has detective skills, Damian has ninja skills, and Cassandra has _combat_ skills. She has beat him in 1v1. He didn't even teach all of them their skills. Cassandra? David Cain and Lady Shiva. Jason? Did the same thing as Bruce. Dick? His parents and Deadman are as much a part of his training as Bruce. Literally the only ones he taught himself were Duke, Steph, and Tim. Bruce should have been beaten into a bloody mess.
I havent been able to bring myself to watch on of these since it happened. Since we lost Benny. This is my first and it ripped the floodgates down to click on it. We miss you Benny.
Nice to see the Hypocritical, Narcissistic, I feel inferior around anyone with more money or social status than me crowd made it into comic writing. Took them long enough.
I still don't understand catwomen plan? Training goons to be better, just makes all is villians stronger. It just seems they needed to have a reason for batman/catwomen fight?
The idea is that most criminals in Gotham aren’t violent bc they are crazy wack jobs like the main villains, just ppl who are doing what they need to in order to survive. That’s important bc it means that they are only violent when being the henchmen is their only real option. So if you take these criminals, train them in non violent criminal skills(from what I’ve seen they aren’t given combat training just specifically theft) and then target the corrupt rich people and not the avg Gotham resident, you get a Gotham with less violent crime, safer civilians, and a criminal underworld ran by people who at least have standards. That’s more than Batman has ever achieved. Jason was right abt Batman, he never listened to them bc accepting an alternative destroys the need for a Batman, and he’s nothing without it
@@ianharrison5758that stupide ass plane they would eventually returns to the damn big time criminals when it gets too hards Your not changing they're lifes your just making it easier for them Also Jason has straight up said this plane is stupid in his own series
All these people in the comments who act like it’s okay to steal from people just because they have a lot of money or resources act like it’s impossible to earn or build something for yourself. Imagine if you gathered a lot of resources from stealing from other people because you felt like you deserved it more and then someone just came to take it all from you. You wouldn’t just be like oh well I had too much. You would feel wronged and want it back. It all comes from a victim mentality that is not healthy.
It is. They don't allow us to. They didn't gather it themselves anyways, it's built off stock and inheritance. They don't _build_ anything. You don't get rich by laboring, you get rich by taking the fruits of other people's labor. The rich don't gather resources, they take it from others. They are literally your hypothetical of the thieves mad other people stole from them.
@@llamaczechivy use plant monster joker move back into town a lot of people will join up with him out of fear and looky here now his henchmen are better trained This plane sucks in the long run
@@shumworldThe currently ongoing book titled Batman & Robin that is set in present day and started around the same time Gotham War did is about Bruce and Damian
...no? A few of them tried seeing it from Selina's POV seeing as it was taking away the manpower from supervillains, but only Jason actually sided with her. Then with how a possessed Batman reacted to that, Nightwing opposed him. Then when Batman tied them all up and left them all to the authorities like common criminals, the others opposed him. All of this happened well after he woke back up. Did you just not read or watch this?
@@llamaczech They meant that it's out of character for EVERY member of the batfamily save for Damien turning on Bruce. Jason isn't even siding with her, earnestly he points out that he was deliberately messing with that duo of thugs he was training because he knew they were just gonna go bad later anyways. He only pretended to side with Selina so he could have time alone with that duo, as they had prior work experience with the Joker. In typical Jason fashion, he's more looking out for himself while also trying to rile Bruce up as much as possible, but he definitely doesn't side with Selina.
@@llamaczechwait so Bruce stopped criminals tied them up for the police to get them...and he's suppose to be the bad guy? Dude is just being his normal self nothing out of character
Batman isn’t really in the wrong. Could he go about his point better absolutely. But if anyone were to control crime in Gotham successfully it’d be Bruce as Matches Malone. Selina was just training killers and thieves to be even better killers and thieves. Batman would slowly control and take down crime in its entirety.
Yet this story acts as if Bruce is the bad guy because he doesn't want to allow crime in Gotham...like every other damn heros in Dc You didn't take away the black and white aspect you turn it upside downc
Boy this was a bad story through and through like the entire Bat family turns against Bruce because Catwoman starts a thieves guild? She didn't even make a good case as to why it's healthy for Gotham.
He lost it because Ghostmaker cut his hand off. This happened during the last story where Batman was teleported to another universe because of Failsafe.
Let's face it DC is just looking for a way to kill him off again like before I gotta say the Jason Todd hype has fallen off since the red hood movie for me seriously if DC just up and killed off Jason again that would be the only way to get him back to prominence
This comic was interesting in that it showed the mission doesn't care about results, and that that fact is probably the unhealthiest thing about Batman's outlook. Also, the entire Batfamily grew up with Batman playing cat and mouse with Selina - why would they accept her but not her proteges?
I think Gotham war is after the joker war, having been the most recent comic saga that involves the bat family as a whole. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jason Todd (Red Hood) should still have a strained relationship with Bruce due to the mind control thing. Honestly, I can't forgive Bruce for that
Been looking forward to this one for a while because I actually read it and liked it. I don't care what others say about it, I know most of it's been negative.
I don't like the illustration in the conclusion of Gotham War. I also agree that everyone is acting out of character. As for Batman's alter ego, totally unnecessary.
writers in the 90's being told "Make batman an literal nekomata" : "NO, NO NO NO, AND FUCK! YOU!" Writers today being told "Make Batman an literal nekomata" with much more pressure: *Sigh* "Fine, but you get ONE issue!" ; "And make him a girl" Writers: **INTERNALLY SCREAMING**
Even comics has to follow a theme based on the story of the characters to be something to enjoy. When you break the molds, your break the story. Not a very good Batman story at all. Hope they got fired for this.
I think with so much history it’s just more difficult to create something new while audiences have become older and more sophisticated. It’s no longer kids reading it.
Batman was in the wrong in this story and it's so obvious to anyone who doesn't have Bruce's balls down their throats to see that Selina made Gotham better
I agree. I don't like how Bruce's has been solely about him stopping crime because while that's understandable, it's tainted by his own trauma that he refuses to get help for. What I mean is that he sees everything in black and white. Crime is bad and playing vigilante is good. Ok but what about the other people that are doing this to survive? What about the people who need the money to pay for hospital operations, medical bills, who are literally on their last legs? Fathers and mothers doing whatever they can to provide for their kids? What about kids who are starving and dying on the streets? He may be saving people but at the end of the day, he's leaving behind more victims, some even more desperate than before, who turn into more criminals. He's just making a never-ending cycle when he should be doing more to fix Gotham. Hell, become mayor even! Because being Batman seems to be becoming pointless at this point. At least Selina's method of stealing from the rich without violence works far better than continously beating up criminals and leaving victims to fend for themselves.
True but you forget Joker and all the other villains can kill their henchmen in retaliation and court of owls wouldn't stand for an upstart prostitute stealing from them and Go to war with Selina killing her people too plus telling Bruce to leave them alone means he wouldn't help her either
@@StarKaiser2 Selina took most henchmen away from their former groups. That was the point. Also, COOs would never intervene as they know how protected they were with how Gotham was being run
@@yellowbones tell that to the new chapters but also they are rich and wouldn't like be robbed by anyone, also Scarecrow was able to kill that fat guy and Joker surprised his ex henchmen it wouldn't be to hard to for them to find and kill them also Pyg can turn them into dolltrons, and even without henchmen they can cause trouble and another factor is most other Gotham villains were out during the Joker vs Joker thing and Joker will cause chaos with or without henchmen
They honestly tried selling "just let people rob rich people" to Batman AKA Bruce Wayne AKA The man who's entire career began as vengeance due to a random crook robbing his rich parents.
Something about the entire bat family letting thieving go uncontrolled just sits horribly with me
Kinda Like ART Imitating LIFE?
Ehh petty and violent crime stopped seems like a win in Gotham
@@Slipperyslope333 Between the lessor of two evils, batman and his family are meant to choose neither.
@@stunfiredon't even mind that comment. Look at the username, pretty sure it's troll. But you're correct it's completely out of character for all of them
@stunfire it's basically like a comic where the bat family thinks killing villans is acceptable because it saves citizens. (I know Jason semi agrees with that mindset, and I personally agree with it, but the bat family would never.)
How is bat man in the wrong here, cat woman basically became a mob boss and the bat family is ok with it. And the story is trying to convince you that Batman’s the problem even though crimes are still being committed and what would happen if cat women’s gang decided to kick her out after she finished training them.
The craziest part about this story is the Bat Family is actively helping her. Like sure, if they believe trading crimes is what’s good for Gotham, it doesn’t mean they help out Cat-Woman and her goons.
@@mrdude88Exactly, I think Catwoman's plan is at least on the short-term fairly solid and can understand why members of the family would agree BUT Jason helping teach GTA? That's just weird and unnecessary, that is where I am at the moment and I have a feeling that it's only going to get further off the rails from here.
It's called woke writers. A female is never wrong and a rich white male is the the bad guy. Just watch The Batman.
BLESS THIS CHANNEL.
5:43 When Catwoman made the request for the meeting the rule was "masks off", the detail that Batman never took off his mask while every bat family member including catwoman did was because BATMAN is his true identity Bruce wayne is the disguise.
Damian kept his mask on too
@@StarKaiser2 Ok, but he most likely only did it to copy his father.
I respectfully disagree
Im glad to see this channel and the main is still going strong! Love you guys at comicstorian!!!
I find the story point of Vandal buying Wayne manner to be weird. I don't get how that could possibly happen.
Full agree that we needed WAY more Zuranar in this series to properly sell the slightly unhinged batman. If they had handled him the way they handled Joker in Arkham Knight, i think it would have been a huge hit! Hope to see more of this Zuranar saga! Hm, but thats a bit of a mouthful... Z-Saga? :P
Why dose professor pyg needs henchmen? he makes dollotrons.
And who the Hell would possibly work for him?! He's so insane he's barely capable of coherent speech. Can you really imagine that guy paying his henchmen a living wage? Pyg's really out of it.
Anyone else find it messed up that Bruce did that to Jason? Man, he is not getting any parent of the year awards. I'm not a devout fan of comics, so someone tell me if Jason ever recovers mentally from the brainwashing.
would you be happy to know that Joker was the one that helped Jason get better?
@yellowbones Just finished reading The Man Who Stopped Laughing and it was pretty poetic 😂
Every time he says Jason growls is the funniest thing ever 😂
Could you do more deathstroke comic stories or comics that have him in them ik you'll probably not see this but I love your videos
I have a feeling you're a big fan of Deathstroke.
Hey man I just started your joker war video. Man the voices and expressions are amazing 😢🎉. 👏 please do more comic full story. And Thanks for you're effort and work. Keep going. 🎉
I don't keep up with comics, so I'm not going to claim to know these characters well; but that thieves guild does sound like something Catwoman would come up with. Thank you for putting out all these fascinating stories.
does it tho? in all media I've seen her she acted the way she did because she was selfish. Even when she helped Batman it was because she liked him (aka made her feel good) not because of wanting to help or stuff like that.
The only reasonable exception I can think of was the Injustice universe, but tons of people died there and her change of heart might've been due to that.
Catwoman: "Let's make violent criminals into non-violent criminals!"
Batman: "Let's make violent criminals go to jail."
Batfamily: Sides with Catwoman???
Selina, turning a criminal into another type of criminal is not the same as reforming them. What happens if they decide to go violent again after you've taught them all you know?
Batman's right. As usual.
And how well has Bruce's plans worked for 99 percent of his rogues gallery? All he has ever done is sent the people he took down into the revolving door that is Arkham or blackgate. Selina knows it's not that simple, and ironically enough she has done a better job reforming criminals like Harley and Ivy whenever the three of them are together than Bruce ever has. It's the same with Jason and his view on certain criminals.
Bruce's problem is he believes his way is the only way. And it drives many of the bat family away from him at one point or another.
@@darryljack6612Agree to a degree. While I personally align with Red Hood's usual, or original line of thinking, that it's death or reform, jail is pointless. But for this event or story I would have to side with Batman. Crime is crime, Batman cannot choose what crime is punishable or not. What is today's thief is tomorrow's murderer.
@@DeanVarney Crime is Crime, but Batman himself is (by the standards of the law) a criminal. Breaking and Entering, illegal surveillance, child endangerment, misappropriation of assets and or funds, at times assault. The list could probably go on and on. So to say his form of crime is okay, but hers isn't when both are in the pursuit to help people would be hypocritical. At the very least if trying to maintain the notion of "crime is crime". Especially when Batman's actions have led to death and murder.
@@darryljack6612yeah Bruce’s entire mission relies on him not thinking abt the fact that(unless vigilantism is legal in the DC universe and idk if it’s ever been stated to be so) he’s also a criminal
@@ianharrison5758he’s deputized insofar that he’s working with the police commissioner.
It was a good idea on paper but the fact that everyone turned on Batman made zero since and what he did to Jason Jesus... Batman has proven that he has the will to overcome pretty much anything so Zurrana should of been no different if I make a fanfiction on this story I taking what he did to Jason and making Batman use fear toxin instead
i will always laugh at the fact these comics try to act like catwoman is op and can take on anyone lmao
1:47:46 "He realizes with realization." 😂
15:05 No, this is nonsense. Bruce can't 1v1 Cassandra. Beating the entire Bat Family is nonsense. There is the long established canon point that every member of the family is superior to him at something. Barbara has tech, Dick has empathy, Jason has militarized tactics, Duke has sunlight (sorry man), Tim has detective skills, Damian has ninja skills, and Cassandra has _combat_ skills. She has beat him in 1v1. He didn't even teach all of them their skills. Cassandra? David Cain and Lady Shiva. Jason? Did the same thing as Bruce. Dick? His parents and Deadman are as much a part of his training as Bruce. Literally the only ones he taught himself were Duke, Steph, and Tim. Bruce should have been beaten into a bloody mess.
I don't know what make me hurt more him beating them or the idea of Batman getting beat up by his kids
This storyline suckes
Mom and dad are fighting over the kids
I havent been able to bring myself to watch on of these since it happened. Since we lost Benny. This is my first and it ripped the floodgates down to click on it. We miss you Benny.
Nice to see the Hypocritical, Narcissistic, I feel inferior around anyone with more money or social status than me crowd made it into comic writing. Took them long enough.
Scandal Savage got me rollin
I still don't understand catwomen plan? Training goons to be better, just makes all is villians stronger. It just seems they needed to have a reason for batman/catwomen fight?
The idea is that most criminals in Gotham aren’t violent bc they are crazy wack jobs like the main villains, just ppl who are doing what they need to in order to survive. That’s important bc it means that they are only violent when being the henchmen is their only real option.
So if you take these criminals, train them in non violent criminal skills(from what I’ve seen they aren’t given combat training just specifically theft) and then target the corrupt rich people and not the avg Gotham resident, you get a Gotham with less violent crime, safer civilians, and a criminal underworld ran by people who at least have standards.
That’s more than Batman has ever achieved. Jason was right abt Batman, he never listened to them bc accepting an alternative destroys the need for a Batman, and he’s nothing without it
@@ianharrison5758that stupide ass plane they would eventually returns to the damn big time criminals when it gets too hards
Your not changing they're lifes your just making it easier for them
Also Jason has straight up said this plane is stupid in his own series
All these people in the comments who act like it’s okay to steal from people just because they have a lot of money or resources act like it’s impossible to earn or build something for yourself. Imagine if you gathered a lot of resources from stealing from other people because you felt like you deserved it more and then someone just came to take it all from you. You wouldn’t just be like oh well I had too much. You would feel wronged and want it back. It all comes from a victim mentality that is not healthy.
It is. They don't allow us to. They didn't gather it themselves anyways, it's built off stock and inheritance. They don't _build_ anything. You don't get rich by laboring, you get rich by taking the fruits of other people's labor. The rich don't gather resources, they take it from others. They are literally your hypothetical of the thieves mad other people stole from them.
Scandal Savage? May as well be called Fuggit McPhonedin
Brilliantly put.
6:58
Yea. Okay, Catwoman. Let’s see you stop Joker or Poison Ivy all by yourself.
She handled ivy before but as far as joker if she got the bat fam as backup she's good
@@davonross1022 Everyone’d beat Ivy. She has all this power and get beats by normal humans.
@@McKnighty she more of a eco psycho than a serial killer
I mean... Didn't she kind of do that by basically removing their manpower?
@@llamaczechivy use plant monster joker move back into town a lot of people will join up with him out of fear and looky here now his henchmen are better trained
This plane sucks in the long run
RIP to the goat🕊️
Lucky me I just finished knight of terrors fully series last night
I dunno if you're open to suggestions or even going to read this but I was wondering if you could do a video about Neil Gaimans Marvel 1602?
Does anyone know if there's going to be a comic coming out with this thief finding out Bruce is Batman and what he plans to do with this information?
Story was great until the whole Vandal Savage/meteor thing made it kinda lose track of the story
Two wrongs dont make a right
Thank you finally
If Tim Drake is Robin again, what is Damian going by as his hero allias?
Robin
They just both are Robin right now and if you ask me Damian the one who gotta change. Tim is the epitome of Robin to me anyway
@@IndraTyde I read somewhere Damian is going by "Prince of Crows".
@@shumworld probably just an alias. Similar to how Joker is known as the "crown prince of crime" in gotham. Everyone just calls him joker.
@@shumworldThe currently ongoing book titled Batman & Robin that is set in present day and started around the same time Gotham War did is about Bruce and Damian
This whole storyline cat burglar training feels brain dead and ill conceived
Batman Civil War.
This story was such garbage. The entire Bat family just goes against everything their Father taught them because he was unconscious for a bit.
...no?
A few of them tried seeing it from Selina's POV seeing as it was taking away the manpower from supervillains, but only Jason actually sided with her.
Then with how a possessed Batman reacted to that, Nightwing opposed him. Then when Batman tied them all up and left them all to the authorities like common criminals, the others opposed him.
All of this happened well after he woke back up.
Did you just not read or watch this?
@@llamaczech They meant that it's out of character for EVERY member of the batfamily save for Damien turning on Bruce. Jason isn't even siding with her, earnestly he points out that he was deliberately messing with that duo of thugs he was training because he knew they were just gonna go bad later anyways. He only pretended to side with Selina so he could have time alone with that duo, as they had prior work experience with the Joker. In typical Jason fashion, he's more looking out for himself while also trying to rile Bruce up as much as possible, but he definitely doesn't side with Selina.
@@llamaczechwait so Bruce stopped criminals tied them up for the police to get them...and he's suppose to be the bad guy? Dude is just being his normal self nothing out of character
What is the next issue after this that continues the next story after this one
Wasn't this one of the most recent comic stories
Yeah
yes
Batman isn’t really in the wrong. Could he go about his point better absolutely. But if anyone were to control crime in Gotham successfully it’d be Bruce as Matches Malone. Selina was just training killers and thieves to be even better killers and thieves. Batman would slowly control and take down crime in its entirety.
That what the red hood did while ago
Wonderful
Thank you.
May God bless your souls 🤞🍀❣️😢
How is anyone supposed to take this shit seriously? 😅🤣🤣
But good job at making it.👍
am i the only one that dosent like the new red hood suit?
Everything is not Black and White I hate how comics no longer just create just plain Evil Villains
I mean, there’s still quite a bit of that.
Wasn't Joker on his bullshit not even a year ago?
Those were criminals not villains
What's the difference lol@@Slipperyslope333
Yet this story acts as if Bruce is the bad guy because he doesn't want to allow crime in Gotham...like every other damn heros in Dc
You didn't take away the black and white aspect you turn it upside downc
35:00 , 43:45
Boy this was a bad story through and through like the entire Bat family turns against Bruce because Catwoman starts a thieves guild? She didn't even make a good case as to why it's healthy for Gotham.
what the hell is up with batman's hand?! what did i miss?
He lost it because Ghostmaker cut his hand off. This happened during the last story where Batman was teleported to another universe because of Failsafe.
@@edwinseda897 thank you!
Catwoman's plan may not have been the best idea but Batman still went too far when it comes to Jason
Let's face it DC is just looking for a way to kill him off again like before I gotta say the Jason Todd hype has fallen off since the red hood movie for me seriously if DC just up and killed off Jason again that would be the only way to get him back to prominence
This comic was interesting in that it showed the mission doesn't care about results, and that that fact is probably the unhealthiest thing about Batman's outlook. Also, the entire Batfamily grew up with Batman playing cat and mouse with Selina - why would they accept her but not her proteges?
It not like Bruce let her committed crime
They're letting crime be committed
You played this already
I wanna know what that meteor is
So is Gotham war before or after joke or war?
I think Gotham war is after the joker war, having been the most recent comic saga that involves the bat family as a whole. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jason Todd (Red Hood) should still have a strained relationship with Bruce due to the mind control thing. Honestly, I can't forgive Bruce for that
@@LuisHernandez-yy4yvngl I think Jason is always going to have a strained relationship with Bruce, brainwashed or not
Been looking forward to this one for a while because I actually read it and liked it. I don't care what others say about it, I know most of it's been negative.
I mean if you enjoy it good for you…it simply stupide and bad writing for everyone else
Epic
Nice.
32:26 is that fucking JoJo reference??
I don't like the illustration in the conclusion of Gotham War. I also agree that everyone is acting out of character. As for Batman's alter ego, totally unnecessary.
I'm kinda siding with Bruce there is no way looking the other way with criminals is ever going to end well.
Hello there!
writers in the 90's being told "Make batman an literal nekomata" : "NO, NO NO NO, AND FUCK! YOU!"
Writers today being told "Make Batman an literal nekomata" with much more pressure: *Sigh* "Fine, but you get ONE issue!" ;
"And make him a girl"
Writers: **INTERNALLY SCREAMING**
You can't make story and could you do some plastic man? He's good some interesting comics
We up
Even comics has to follow a theme based on the story of the characters to be something to enjoy. When you break the molds, your break the story.
Not a very good Batman story at all. Hope they got fired for this.
What a terribly stupid story. Comics are trash nowadays. The heroes are worse than the villans half the time.
I think with so much history it’s just more difficult to create something new while audiences have become older and more sophisticated. It’s no longer kids reading it.
I know Gotham war wasn’t well received but I liked it it was a good idea at the time 🤷🏾♂️
Batman was in the wrong in this story and it's so obvious to anyone who doesn't have Bruce's balls down their throats to see that Selina made Gotham better
I agree. I don't like how Bruce's has been solely about him stopping crime because while that's understandable, it's tainted by his own trauma that he refuses to get help for. What I mean is that he sees everything in black and white. Crime is bad and playing vigilante is good. Ok but what about the other people that are doing this to survive? What about the people who need the money to pay for hospital operations, medical bills, who are literally on their last legs? Fathers and mothers doing whatever they can to provide for their kids? What about kids who are starving and dying on the streets?
He may be saving people but at the end of the day, he's leaving behind more victims, some even more desperate than before, who turn into more criminals. He's just making a never-ending cycle when he should be doing more to fix Gotham. Hell, become mayor even! Because being Batman seems to be becoming pointless at this point. At least Selina's method of stealing from the rich without violence works far better than continously beating up criminals and leaving victims to fend for themselves.
True but you forget Joker and all the other villains can kill their henchmen in retaliation and court of owls wouldn't stand for an upstart prostitute stealing from them and Go to war with Selina killing her people too plus telling Bruce to leave them alone means he wouldn't help her either
@@talon532meh if Batman beyond taught me anything Bruce would have just stayed in the brown stone away from everyone and let Gotham fall
@@StarKaiser2 Selina took most henchmen away from their former groups. That was the point. Also, COOs would never intervene as they know how protected they were with how Gotham was being run
@@yellowbones tell that to the new chapters but also they are rich and wouldn't like be robbed by anyone, also Scarecrow was able to kill that fat guy and Joker surprised his ex henchmen it wouldn't be to hard to for them to find and kill them also Pyg can turn them into dolltrons, and even without henchmen they can cause trouble and another factor is most other Gotham villains were out during the Joker vs Joker thing and Joker will cause chaos with or without henchmen
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