Flux Core VS Stick Welding | What Is The Best, and Some Controversy
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- There are a lot of videos out there comparing MIG welding to stick welding, and that's not really a fair comparison.
In this video we are going to discuss the pros and cons of Flux Core VS Stick Welding. What is the best option for the home garage user? Many home projects can be completed with either process, neither use shielding gas, and both are fairly inexpensive ways to start welding. Follow along and by the end of the video hopefully you will have a good idea of what will work for you.
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I am a hobbyist welder that has both machines. I first learned to stick weld many years ago before cheap flux core welders were available. I agree that a flux core welder is easier to use. As you say, the motion is simpler and you can get your head closer to the weld to see better. Practicing on scrap will get the machine dialed in. I only have a stick welder because it was cheap (used) and I think it is better for thicker steel, say quarter inch. One thing I have done sometimes is cut my rods in half to get me closer to the weld point.
Absolutely. It is important when starting out to be able to see what is going on at the weld. Great points!
Simple, clear, serious and without any stupid joke. Thank you ! (From Africa)
Thanks for watching 🤘
Such a great video explaining the differences. Really appreciated the down to earth approach.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Very much appreciate your video presentation! I am a newbie welder who has been acquiring a wealth of info on TH-cam vids such as yours. I have a stick welder with which I once used to try to repair a lawnmower body. Wasn't aware of the various sticks pertaining to specific metals at the time. Now I have a garage door rail I want to repair. I since bought a flex core capable welder much like yours. Your attention to details that the beginner should be aware such as proper diameter sticks, and their increasing of amps as it gets shorter, helps explain my failure to successfully weld that lawn mower chassis. The comparisons of machines were ideally laid out to me as to greatly simplify which machine I may want to use for the jobs I plan to do! Thanks again, added to my favorites list!
I appreciate the kind words! Don't get discouraged, step back and take a break if you are getting frustrated, and practice often!
I followed and agree with the old "learn stick first" philosophy if for no other reason than that its the hardest to master and generally least enjoyable process to perform. If you can stick with (pun intended) the worst kind of welding then you'll do fine with the rest.
I understand that thinking. Sometimes people just need a project done and don't have the time or patience to learn more complicated methods. It just depends on whether the person wants to put in the time and learn to weld and fabricate, or if they just need to get something done.
@@GarageHobbyist no matter which method chosen you’ll have to have some practice... strength in the weld is most certainly important to the job
I don’t particularly agree with that. Most people will never need to stick weld. Yes, it’s harder to master. It’s also filthy, and dangerous to inhale. It’s not needed indoors, nor it it a good idea to stick weld indoors. Flux core is in somewhat in the same boat as far as smoke and safety to breath. For most people mig is the easiest and cleanest. Yes, it requires gas, but really, it’s not a big thing. My esab emp 205 will do all the processes we’re talking about as well as AC/DC TIG. It’s not the machine, but the fact that being able to do the different processes, you can choose. But 90% of the time, it’s either mig or TIG for me. Flux core is useful at times, but I almost never stick. There’s just no need.
As far as the argument that if you know how to stick (well!), then you can more easily learn to weld with the other processes (except TIG, which is the hardest of all the processes), it’s not a good argument. Most home welders are never goi g to learn how to weld better than for the basic needs they have. They won’t weld often enough to develop more than a minor amount of skill, no matter what they’re welding. So trying to learn the skills for stick is a waste of time for them. Learning how to weld well with mig is easier and better suited to most home welders.
The reason I recommend mig rather than flux core is because flux core is harder to weld with than mig.
Telling them about needing to learn stick, is really a snobby argument, which I find that people who don’t actually weld themselves, but have heard somewhere, are espousing.
@@melgross Stick welding for many applications is superior to mig, when welding on the farm. But I mean, most people won’t encounter that scenario.
@@ryancorsaut5177 I’m not talking about farm work. Any outside work is better done with either stick, or fluxcore. But we’re talking about beginning welders welding for themselves (I hope!), at home. Stick is not best for that.
Just starting out. So thank you for the descriptions. I most definitely found it helpful. Thank you again.
Thanks for watching, Glad it was helpful! Practice and take a break if you start getting frustrated!
Great explanation and very helpful for beginners! I see you're channel is pretty new - keep it up and you will grow very quickly!
Thanks for watching, I appreciate the kind words!
very informative
thank you for sharing your thoughts
Very well explained and very information video thank you. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God bless.
Thank you for this video. Helps big time!!!
Thanks for watching 🤘 Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for the detailed explanation as a guy who's looking to get into welding
No problem, thanks for watching!
Great vid ! Learned what I need to do now for simple welding 😀
Right on! Practice and don't get frustrated!
Great explanation regarding the advantage and disadvantage of the two different types of welders.
Thanks, I'm glad it was helpful!
Thanks this is very helpful! Great video!
Thanks for watching!
I only used stick for 20 years before I tried flux core. If you are trying to decide, just go get a Titanium Flux 125. Trust me.
They dropped the price!
I've got a big TIG welder, and pretty much only use it for aluminum and stainless. The little flux 125 handles pretty much everything. Occasionally I'll stick weld just for the challenge, but flux core is so easy.
Do you find yourself adjusting current all the time, or keep it at one setting on Tig?
Great content on this channel! Appreciate you.
Thanks! Appreciate you taking the time to watch 🤘
Great video, thank you for sharing this information.
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. Well thought out and good clear explanation.
Thanks for watching!
Amazing explanation you've won yourself a new subscriber !
Thanks for watching and the subscribe!
Good info for the beginner and more technical than some of the typical 'emotional' machine decisions seen elsewhere on YT. One thing that got me right off the bat with my first MIG machine, running fluxcore was porosity and general crappyness of the weld bead. That has since gone away with maintaining proper WTCT stickout, proper travel speed, keeping the wire pointed into the molten puddle and a proper DRAG angle. I sometimes need to use a push angle due to limited access and in those cases, keeping the wire on the leading edge of the molten puddle produces a proper weld. Flux slag inclusion (getting slag caught in the molten weld bead) is always a potential problem that you need to pay attention to preventing.
Thanks for watching! Good words of advice!
Good straight forward assessment of flux and stick welding processes. I like to use both outdoors, but for different reasons. I mainly flux core outdoors because I can get into tight spaces with more accuracy than with my stick welder, and I think it easier to control while welding thinner metals (mainly old wrought iron fences and gates). The stick welder is better for thicker metal (3/8" to 1/2") using 110v. Both are great processes. With an inverter machine it's super easy to get welding with great results. For both processes buy a can of anti-spatter.
Thanks for the kind words! Each process has its purpose, and its good to know more than one!
I learned to weld using that Titanium Flux 125 about 2 1/2 yrs ago, and it has worked flawlessly on everything from little projects around the house up to car hauler repairs and ag equipment. I think wire selection is paramount with any wire welder, as there are some wires that work great for a specific person on a given machine and others that don’t. I also have a Titanium Stick 225 I use for big items, but 90% of the time it’s the flux core rig I grab when I have to fix something. Great video, keep them coming! 👍
Thanks for the kind words! You are 100% right on wire choice being important. The Flux 125s are great machines, and I’m sure many people, including myself, have gotten started on one.
I was thinking about grabbing a welder to start a small mobile gate repair gig. Is the titanium 125 something you would recommend?
@@v3nomou545 they are great little machines. If I am being honest I have been using the Simder Mig140 more since I have gotten it, and it is nice that it is 110/220, 140 amps over 125, and can stick weld as well. I think you would be happy with the Titanium 125, however look into the YesWelder or Simder flux core machines, they will give you more bang for your buck.
The Titanium 125 would be a great welder for that purpose. It’s lightweight and can handle any gate job out there. Get a generator large enough to provide 20A to it and you’re good to go.
@@GarageHobbyist thank you🤙 much appreciated
For me, a dummy😃 and a newbe, this video made perfect sense, always wished I had a welder at times but never did, and you’ve made my mind up for a flux core welder, less of a learning curve and at 78 I don’t have too much of that left, need to make brackets for a stove pipe install, really appreciate your down to earth approach so thanks for sharing 😃👍
That’s awesome, Glad I could help! Good luck, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Very good video, thank You
Thanks for watching!
thanks for the info! i have been watching a couple youtube videos to figure out what i want to start on. i'm personally going with the flux since it seams easier and don't want to get discouraged when i'm trying to have fun. one thing i would make sure to add to video's "when there is slag you drag", i heard that and then saw the difference on another video. thanks again for the info. you did help me decide. 👍
Yes, typically with slag you would drag. Good Luck!
@@GarageHobbyist i saw your yeswelder and decided to get the flux 135 model (flux, stick, tig dc i bought the electrode $45.00) no mig or tig ac but, sounds awesome for $189.00 + $45.00 for tig wand, also got the $100.00 berserker welding helmet. TOTALLY STOCKED, i'll keep watching and learning, thanks again for the info!! 👍👍
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now I understand more. thanks
I'm glad the video was helpful!
GREAT VIDEO,, MANY TRUE VIEWS ABOUT THE FLUX WELDER, MY FIRST WELDER WILL BE A FLUX CORE WELDER. THE STICK CORE WELDERS ARE A BIT TO INTIMIDATING FOR A FIRST-TIME USER. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME !!!!!!!!!
Practice and patience goes a long way!
Thanks man, trying to pick my first welder. Super helpful! Still trying to decide what price range to go for. Seems to start at the low $100's and goes way up. Not sure where its beneficial and where its not.
Nice video. Thanx.
Thanks for watching 🤘
I’ve always enjoyed starting with the hardest thing, so I started with stick. After a week or so of sticking the rod and burning holes in shit, I could make a bead with 6011.
That’s one way to do it! It can get frustrating at first when you can only seem to make holes. The good news is that if you save those pieces you can practice filling them later. 🤣
I have two mig machines, the difference is they can both also do stick welding. The 130A mig will run flux core and a 3/32nd stick on 110V. The 220V machine (TooIOM brand for about $300) will run flux core, gas and 1/8th rods with ease.. both 6010 (although I use 6011's) and 7018.. I prefer the 7018AC rods from Forney. While I agree 100% that Mig is easier to learn there are situations (heavier material) where stick is more appropriate. If you have a machine that can run both for cheap then why not? The ToolIOM 200A Mig for $300 is an absolute beast and I have used the snot out of it for just under a year. It has a 60% duty cycle at 160Amps (from memory). Its a better deal than the HF in my opinion.
Wow. You helped me so much. I am doing scrap metal sculpture, just like you spoke about. I was looking into silver torch soldering, with the silver so expensive, & then this outrageous deal popped up right in front of me online for a combo stick/ flux mig/ some kind of tig welder. I felt it was probably a good idea for my goals, but beyond my understanding. I took notes on all you said, & can't comprehend that in less than 15 minutes, you helped me totally grasp what the machine is about & ideas of its purpose & how I might use it & why I'd want it. Yes, $30 for one troy ounce of silver solder sounds really awful now, when I saw a 2 lb roll of flux mig wire for close to half that pop up with the welder. Wow. Thanks. I'm still wrestling here a bit in this change of plan... but man... I just really appreciated this video
Glad the video was helpful! Keep in mind flux creates a lot of spatter that can be difficult to clean out of tight areas. I'm That's not to say don't use it, I use my flux core welders all the time, just be aware of that as it pertains to the current project or art piece.
After you get your feet wet with the flux wire, look into TIG welding and TIG brazing. TIG welding is very clean, and you don't necessarily have to add metal to the weld. TIG brazing uses the same machine, but utilizes silicone bronze filler rods that allow you to join dissimilar metals at a lower temperature!
@@GarageHobbyist Thank you so much. Do you think a welding blanket is helpful to deal with splatter? I was looking into those.. they sell some pretty big ones, like 6'x8' & so on.
And do you need to wear leather welding clothes?
@@GarageHobbyist And which type of TIG are you talking about? The machine I saw a great deal for is the same one you did in another video, for even much less at this time. It has lift TIG welding, which looks like it would be very difficult?
@@cchemmes-seeseeart3948 TIG is TIG. Lift TIG is just the method of starting your arc. You would touch the electrode to the metal you are welding and slightly lift off to start the weld. TIG definitely requires a lot of coordination, but it is worth it if you have the patience to learn!
Also, the amperage on a machine can vary ALOT! I started welding with a Telwin Force 165 and it welded thin square tube piping pretty nicely with 2mm 7018 at 90A. Later I got an Esab Rogue 180 Pro, and went to the same setting and same electrode on the same material, and it blew out the goods as soon as I struck an arc!!
I also have a super cheap flux core machine, I use it exclusively on very thin materials where it doesn't matter too much that it can't weld hot enough to get rid of the slag.
I'd recommend grabbing both since they aren't very expensive and with both there ain't much you can't weld.
Sound advice! I also see that the Yeswelder Flux machine comes with a stinger as well. For ~$200 that may be a great option for a beginner to have both flux and stick options available to them.
Man, I just learned so much from your video as I am just learning about these different systems.
Quick question, can you cut the sticks so if doing a small job you can work closer with the smaller piece of stick?
Thank you so much for taking the time to create this!
That’s a good question. Yes, you can, but you need to remove the flux as well so you can put it in your stinger and get good contact
@@GarageHobbyist when I just look at your grass I'll clip your electrode holder to the table and keep getting up
Yes you need to know all process for different applications
Absolutely. There is some overlap where almost any process will work, however there are definitely areas where certain processes will do it better. There are always trade offs!
I have the Titanium Flux 125 it’s a nice little welder. I like how small and lightweight it is, I plan to get the Titanium stick 225 as well
I’ve got a Simder multiprocess on the way. It will be cool to try.
Mig was always classed as semiskilled due to the fact that it was just a trigger and the wire came out unlike the Tig and Stick that took time to learn with freehand, walking the cup, feeding wire and burning the rod etc but most workshops today do use the mig on pipe because it’s fast and very neat
I think MIG/Flux Core is the perfect process for most hobby projects and garage users. I know some of the other welders tend to look down on it because it may be a little easier, but I also bet most of them have pick up trucks with back up cameras too 😂
Arc length changes VOLTAGE in stick welding. No matter low long that electrode is, the amperage will remain relatively constant.
That's why stick welders are called CC (constant current) and wire feeders are CV (constant voltage).
@@dakotadingo9083 Exactly. This is why if you try and long arc a cellulose based rod , like 6010/6011 with a little Chinese inverter machine, it can't raise the voltage much above maybe like 24-26 volts and the arc goes out.
I know this video is “stick or flux core”, but for home use I don’t recommend either. I recommend a good quality ac/dc TIG welder of at least 250 amps with a water cooled torch. If your like me you will be working on thin metal, aluminum, and lots of automotive/motorcycle projects. Tig is so clean a process you could weld in your living room without your wife having a clue what you did! Personally I have a few welders at home and 99 percent of what I do at home is TIG. You can stick weld with a Tig machine so it covers all your needs. The only downside to tig is it is a slow process and uses gas so welding outside is a issue, but we’re talking about home use here not a production shop so it shouldn’t matter. Anyway I really don’t see the need for wire feeders (flux core, MiG, dual shield) outside a production environment. Good old stick is easier and more reliable than wire feeders. It’s not easy to get bad penetration running 7018. But as a former shipyard Forman I can assure you wire feed welding is a quality control nightmare, sure it’s a faster more efficient process but it requires a proper welding process to be followed to the T if consistent results are to be obtained. It requires constant supervision as well, these quality control issues don’t happen with stick welding. The equipment is less complicated and therefore more reliable. Every welding lead connection and foot of cable is a work delaying problem waiting to happen. That’s my opinion on wire feeders.
I love TIG welding, it is by far my favorite process. It has a relatively steep learning curve though. Almost my entire first bottle of argon was used practicing, and the cylinder and regulator cost more than my welder itself. I was OK with that cost because I knew it was something I wanted to do and was going to use. For the beginner or occasional welder, the cost and learning curve may be more than they'd like to invest, at least at first.
Thanks for the comments, and your experience!
Good video
Thanks! 🤘
Very helpful advise, thank you. See a million different brands. Wonder how much it matters? As long as parts available, and have a good chart for settings. Seems the harbor freight machines get the most attentions.
My harbor freight welder has been pretty decent, however I did have a relay get stuck on. All it took was a tap to get it unstuck, but by that point I had already cut into the lead to check the switch.
Thanks man. Very helpful
Absolutely, thanks for watching!
Flux core and stick...as a backyard do it yourselfers these are the best methods for me...can do exhaust work with both :)
I think so too. I enjoy TIG welding the most, it’s quiet and relaxing, but gas can get expensive and it’s not the best solution for most home projects.
Thanks for the straightforward info. I’m just getting into hobby welding and to do minor repairs/mods on my equipment as I’m closing up on retirement. Did Acetylene welding in aircraft tech school but never got further than that. Just got a mig/tig/stick machine for Christmas and looking forward to having fun!
Nice! It will open a lot of doors when it comes to projects and repairs you can do! Have fun👍
Only reason I think stick is great to learn first with is that it teaches you the fundamentals of welding that transfer over to ALL the other welding processes. But this also doesn't mean it's the only way to learn, every one learns differently.
I highly doubt that current gets higher when the rods get shorter. The stick welder machine is, by design, a 'constant current source', i.e. it is internally electronically regulated to keep current as stable as possible. Cheap welders of course does not perform this function as well as more expensive brands. What you typically see at the end of a longer bead is higher temperature, which affects the process. A MIG machine is 'constant voltage source' which is why you have a voltage nob compared to the current setting on a stick welder.
Most folks ive heard recommend stick for learning has nothing to do with simplicity. Quite the opposite actually. I chose to learn stick first because its more difficult and its believed if you can learn to stick well, everything else is easier. Frankly, mig is the hot snot glue gun. Pretty straight forward. If you cant be bothered to learn something new or dont have the time, sure mig is the way. But stick seems more versatile from everything ive seen. And yeah, once i could lay a decent stick bead, mig is super easy.
Also, youre not going to break the core of a stick electrode bending it, now the flux on the outside is a different story. But great vid buds 😂😂
I agree with your takes. One of the reasons I have 4 different processes available in my shop. Can’t beat a little 110 flux core to grab and go do little jobs out on property
Exactly. I find TIG to be the most enjoyable for me, but it’s too expensive and slow for basic tasks.
You are a saint sir!
I’m not so sure about that, but thank you for watching!
You hit it on the head, some channels are saying MIG is harder than stick, sounds like they have never used stick!, as you say positioning, angle, arc distance and so on are very hard to master, MIG is not as fussy, learn stick and MIG is a walk in the park.
I started with an old stick welding Craftsman AC. Got me a Forney Easy Weld flux core machine to learn wire welding. Sold both and got me a multiprocess Lincoln 210MP, best decision. The machine does most of the guesswork for you. Now is 90% solid wire welding, 8% flux core and 1% stick welding.
Those are nice little machines! Glad to hear you are happy with the purchase.
I had a similar start, leaned stick in high school and at neighbours farms bought got a cheap 110v flux core. After the cheap one died I got the 210MP. I wish I had got the 210 years ago. It's a great unit and will do anything that I need.
Really appreciate the videos...very helpful. So I am embarrassed to admit this. However, I need some direction on how to proceed. I am currently restoring a 70 Mach 1. To date, most of the effort has been welding thin sheet metal patch panels (spot welds). I have now moved onto more structural welds along the frame. I noticed my welds were not penetrating well. In a bonehead maneuver I never switched the polarity of my Hobart 187 when I switched over from flux cored to shielding gas. Needless to say I am now scratching my head if my project is completely ruined....Thoughts?
That’s a tough one. Depending on where they are, I would probably try to grind as much as I could and re-weld if possible to be safe.
Thanks for watching!
I learned on stick years ago in metal shop but I must say Flux is the way to go.
Great points. I didn't take this as controversial at all... Your points are EXACTLY the way I look at both too. Good vid, thanks for sharing.
Absolutely, thanks for taking the time to watch!
I take flux core mig over stick welding any day. Stick welding can be more frustrating, especially when you get the rod stuck to the workpiece. The good thing is that if you can get good with stick welding, mig welding even with flux core would be a walk in the park. Most modern 3 in 1 mig welders also have stick welding capabilities, so its a no brainer. Get the mig machine, pay a little more and you get both options. With a stick only welder, you're stuck with stick welding only. The good advantage of a stick welder is that its light and portable so its easier to transport. The mig machine is bigger, but it also does more. The good part about a mig machine with gas is you don't have to deal with the slag and chipping away at the flux.
Well, that, and the fact that around here flux core wire is crazy expensive. Gas, can get a refill for roughly $40 for 125 cuft cylinder, but a 10# roll of Lincoln .035 innershield wire at Lowe's is like nearly $140, but a spool of Hobart 0.030 solid wire at Rural King is like $50. The time saved in cleaning the mess flux core wire I think pays for the gas pretty easy, especially with welds that require multiple passes, just remove any small bits of glass slag, and run another pass.
Great video, I agree with everything you said. I think flux core has a bad reputation from the cheap A/C machines and users not flipping the polarity on a MIG machine when using flux core. I have seen some big things welded with a MIG welder using dual shielded flux core wire. You should have the correct wire rollers when using flux core wire in a MIG welder.
Well said!
Yep. We use dual shield wire on ships. That stuff can get hot as hell lol.
Test plates are done with fluxcore and the plate gets so hot you gotta let it cool down after each pas to prevent to much bowing and to cool down. Even grinding between passes may not be long enough when you get through the hotpass, good thing is theres actually less passes on a mig test plate then there are on a arc test plate. You only have the root pass hot pass 2 filler and then the cap. Here the only weave we're allowed is onthe hot pass and there's a stop start on that aswell. Oh and then a backgrind which has to been absolutely clean before the weld is put in a single pass.
@@BonusHole no when you drop start you grind the stop and restart good thing about might is you can start at the stop because there's no arc strike like stick.
I agree with your entire take on Stick vs. Flux core. Another reason for flux core getting a bad rap, just due to its nature, it's hard to make your bead look as pretty as a true mig weld.
Also, stick welds can be multi-pass, stacking one bead on top of another and it's allowed by the AWS. Most of those 2lb flux core wire spools are rated for single pass only, Lincoln does make a multipass flux core wire but it's a 1 lb spool and effectively double the price of all of the other singlepass 2 lb spools. So if you're doing a heavier-duty and thicker material project, using stick makes more sense.
I own a titanium 125, it's a perfect little unit for the home hobbyist like myself. I have built many small and medium-scale projects with it, and it really is beneficial to have a means to replace broken or rusted through metal.
Lol I can lay that flux core like a machine…..you need to learn to set your welder
@@jaycleveland6910 Good for you.
Hobart among others make E71-t11 wire that you can run multi pass in your machine
Stick welding is the easiest to learn...they teach that first cuz of simplicity and ease of use...
@@OU812NVME lol obviously you sir are not a very good welder….all process all materials or I do not call you a welder….
Great video Im looking at buying a Mig / Stick welder question I have is Im doing patches on a truck frame body and cab corners my concern is the heat either one produces when welding. What would you suggest for a beginner learning to weld. 👍
I would prefer MIG in that situation.
I'll stay with flux core, it can penetrate better, still have to chip and wire brush between each pass just like stick welds.
I've noticed more flux core hate coming from old welders that did mostly stick, they think that stick is superior and kinda "hate" how flux core has made it easier.
Then, there's the few people who hate flux core due to the mess it makes lol, now, some might spend money on gas but not everybody knows that gas gives you better looking welds.
If I buy a welding machine (hopefully next year), I will probably get a multi process one to learn both stick and flux core.
There is a lot of gatekeeping in the welding communities online unfortunately. It’s a great skill to learn, no matter what process you decide to learn.
I would like to put in my unsolicited two cents on this topic as I actually have some relevant experience with the topic! Now, I am a Mason by trade, so I am no welding expert, and I am TOTALLY agreeing with this gentleman here on this topic, 100,000%. However, I think you are underestimating the strength of your argument about the imbalance of simplicity between the two processes. Meaning, you don't know how correct you are, and because of that, you haven't quite fully sent home your side of the argument. Let me give you a little assistance! lol. Not that you asked for it, or need it for that matter! I taught myself how to weld roughly two and a half years ago on that exact flux core machine. With no one to assist me whatsoever other than youtube's finest, even with its simplicity it was a struggle at first. That difficulty was compounded by my complete idiocy, and for nearly the entire first year of welding, I was doing so with one of the three, (three seriously harbor freight!?!?!) protective stickers still on my helmet's lens! When I discovered this, after getting over the complete and utter devastating embarrassment and realization that most of the struggle I endured was caused by ME and ME alone. I swear on everything I love, that literally a nanosecond after removing that sticker, my welding skills improved tenfold! It all came together at that very moment! And, in an instant I was laying almost perfect dimes.... Now, I am actually okay with this having happened. Because as much as it sucked, it forced me to get the physical movements, and correct settings, ETC. for a year! Which I feel as if that struggle and having to be so strict with my technique, prep, and settings for so long was the reason that two and a half years after teaching myself to weld, I will put my welding skills up against some of the local "pros" who weld for a living! Now, Flux core, and that machine in particular are my go to for almost everything and anything! But, as a Mason, often times I need to weld thick plate and angle to create brick shelf angles, lintels, and foundation support columns. The flux core can do it, with a lot of work, prep, time and wire, but it is not efficient or ideal. So, as much as I love my flux core machine, about a month ago I purchased a 200amp dual voltage MMA/lift tig unit. I immediately upgraded my stinger and clamp, due to the research I did prior to purchasing the machine, The day it was set to arrive, I spent the entire morning running around purchasing every electrode available in my area, accessories, ETC. I was so stoked! And, then, that old familiar sting sunk in, only worse. Learning flux core, even with a sticker ensuring I was blind to what I was really doing, was frustrating, but I was still able to lay something down! The entire first two hours of me trying to teach myself to stick weld, was frustration and no welding! I managed to strick one solid arc and keep it going long enough to run a whole rod! The second session I was at about 50/50 stuck to success, and about three weeks later, I am at about 90 success 10 stuck. The flux core may have one more setting than the stick machine you have, but my stick welder has amperage, hot start amperage, arc force amperage. Making it actually the loser in that category, And, I feel as though that is a horrible way to classify ease of use and simplicity! Flux core may have two diameters wires to choose from, but that is absolutely child's play compared to electrode choices, sizes, difference from brand to brand, dealing with proper storage conditions, and the wide amperage range each electrode can be run at! Combine that with the more complex (bilateral movement), and the frustration of sticking to your workpiece! Forget about it, Flux core wins a million times over even with your eyes closed! And, like I said, I KNOW! lol. Lastly, I think your main point is the most important of anything to take away. It shouldn't really come down to anything other than what you are going to primarily need to be using the machine to do., Because if you are using a machine that is not ideal for your use case, then your going to have a hell of an experience regardless of your natural skill, ability to learn, ETC. Match your choice of machine to your primary use and you will be a head of the game before you even start welding! Thanks for the video, and your welcome for the unsolicited assistance with your perfectly acceptable and correct argument! lol ! best regards!
oh, forgot one other factor, making stick welding less simplistic, that not many people mention I have found! Flux core comes in one main type, and therefore everytime you weld something, its going to be very similar! Now, when you stick weld, this is not the case! Not only are their a vast amount of electrode choices and sizes to choose from, and each of them having a correct settings to surmise.... but, each and every electrode, and their particular diameter, run completely differently than any other electrode. And, I am not talking they are somewhat differently nuanced, I mean, they are completely and utterly DIFFERENT! Now I am done! lol
I agre wire feed is better for a diyer stick is better for heaver stuff but if you dont weld much and dont keep your rods in a temp controlled space they go bad still usableish i have had the same roll of .30 in my old centry 80 for 5 years once dint bother it one bit thank you for the good video
I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching!
Great video. I think I would buy a multi process welder first purchase then all processes are covered with 1 purchase.
That's not a bad way to go. There are some great options out there for multiprocess machines now!
I went that way and don't regret at all. These days I use most C100 (cheaper) gas and solid wire but if I have to build something outside I go with flux core, sometimes, rarely stick.
Umm all great info except for one,as you weld,the rod gets hotter and hotter as well the material is getting hotter and hotter as you keep pumping heat into,the amps stays same,but it melts faster and faster due the heating up the rod,the weld,the parent metals,all together heats up meanwhile the rod is melting away,getting it shorter and shorter,many were confused and belive that the amps are going up yet they all wrong,grab a clampmeter and check for the pure fact,amps are not actually getting higher and higher as the rod melts away and getting shorter,there's 21 years of stickweld experience in field and emergency critical repairs on farming machines and irrigation installations and rock sorting stations in quarries along my life,get it straight ma' man,love your presentation here,all the best from Romania,keep that rod burning bro
I appreciate the response and corrected info. I will research it a little further so I am better informed. Thanks for the constructive advice!
Goood info
How is the green machine holding up
Would you recommend that one ?
I need to build handrails for inside
Thanks
It’s alright. I think the better buy would be either the Simder Mig130 or the Arc Captain flux core machine. Both of those offer stick welding as well as flux core.
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The "wire welder" or Flux Core machines are the way to go for beginners or just hobby type occasional welding. This is especially true if one buys the correct wire. My brand is made in Italy. While the "stick welders" seem simpler, actually they're far more complex when used to their full potential.
Well said, and I agree. Thanks for watching!
Thank you.
I had been deciding for last few weeks between stick and flux core wire, I have only ever seen stick with my own eyes, but from internet research I was almost decided on flux core.. this video and your comment confirmed the decision for me, no more second guessing
@@Bizzon666 Glad I could help, Thanks for watching!
I’ve been watching and reading a lot about this welding stuff… it’s very interesting! I’m trying to get to a point I can fix some holes on my jeep floors and rocker panels… I’m more concerned about how to set up the car… do I need to disconnect the battery? What about the computer? I’m thinking the flux core wire will be my choice… looking for suggestions!
Disconnect the battery for sure. The manufacturer may specify a certain radius in which sensors and modules need to be removed. It is best to check with them for your specific vehicle. If you know someone who works at a body shop, they may be able to give some more insight.
@@GarageHobbyist thank you for the reply. Does the power dissipate as it goes through the body? Sorry if that’s a dumb question… just a newbie for sure! 😆
Been flux core welding for a while now, and I'm fed up with the flux making such a mess, particularly as I'm doing intricate sculptures. So fed up with wire brushing after just a tac weld. I just looked at gas prices for the argon, and it's insane in the UK. Back to wire brushing it is then.
Look into CO2 for mig welding. Much cheaper
@@GarageHobbyist Thanks. Didn't know that was an option. Does it produce worse results as it's cheaper?
It is slightly dirtier that the 75/25 mix traditionally used, but much cleaner than flux core.
@@GarageHobbyistGood to know, thanks.
Yup I would not consider buy a flux core welder only, much better off with a mig that can do both gas or no gas!
It is a good way to go if you have the budget for it from the start.
In comparison there is no comparison shielded metal arc welding is way way different than gas metal arc welding and then there's flux core which uses gas metal arc welding equipment can be shielded or is self shielded depending on the electrode however the reason people from the old school set say people should learn stick welding first is because it teaches you how to feed your electrode and watch your puddle more efficiently and when I went to school for welding the first electric process I was taught was shielded metal arc welding then gas metal arc welding then flux core and then finally TIG welding or gas tungsten arc welding the process people should have it home if they only want to learn one thing is not flux core I suggest gas metal arc welding I e MIG welding
hello! im planning to take welding lessons here in the philippines & my question is, is it an issue if like me i have an amputated finger (the left topmost joint in my index finger) can i still study or practice welding? thanks!
I don't see why not. As long as you can get a comfortable grip you should be just fine!
Most people run the polarity wrong on flux core. I run gas but lite field work flux core is awesome.
I have a question. I have a flux core welder, Titanium Flux 125, and I have some stick weld sticks from a friend. I would like to use that stash of sticks on the flux core welder until they are gone. Can I modify the welder tip to accept the sticks? If so how? Thank you for any answer you can give me.
Unfortunately, no. You would need a machine capable of stick welding with an electrode holder (stinger) and amperage control to use them.
I have a cheap 110v stick and flux core welders .. it seems to me that 110v is just not enough to use stick rods larger than 1/16". I have no problem with using 1/16 but anything larger just doesn't seem to flow easily even at the highest power. Flux core wire is much smaller, so there's no problem there.. 110v flux core welds seem to come out much stronger, penetrate deeper, but i surely am not a fan of the sputter they produce. I would probably prefer a stick welder if it had enough power, penetration and strength.. but it seems you have to go 220V to get that 😕
getting 220 installed was the best upgrade I have done in the shop. Welding on 110 is doable, but so much easier with 220.
Tim I need your advice. I’m in the market for a smaller packable welder for my farm. New to welding. I have fencing as well as farm equipment. What type of welder/type do you recommend and why. I’m leaning towards either Miller or Hobart. Thank you and appreciate the continued knowledge. I’d be able to hook up to 110 & 220 via generator and socket no problem.
It’s hard to beat a stick welder for portable farm use. Any of the big names will do just fine, but check into Primeweld or Everlast as well. They are solid units at a more affordable price. Of course you could check out YesWelder or some other imports if budget is a concern.
I would get a 110/220 unit. That way you have the extra power when you need it, but aren’t tied to a 220 only power source.
@@GarageHobbyist what about max amps for my needs?
That depends on how thick you need to weld. If you are planning on 220v, I would go with something around 180-200 amps or better. You can dial the machine back, but you can’t add amperage to a lower powered machine. 👍
@@GarageHobbyist thank you sir. I’m liking the spec on the Prime Weld 180 and the Everlast POWERARC 200STI. I’d like the capability to weld as think as possible to be honest.
@@GarageHobbyist The Prime Weld has 180amps and Everlast has 200amps.
in my opinion Flux core seems to be harder because When I use it I get many wormholes to form when stick welding I have never had slag inclusions but porosity only when I was first doing it and after 1 day of welding I knew how to properly stick weld Flux core seems to be a hit and miss sometimes you get wormholes other times your bead will look amazing and for people wondering I used the settings on the side of the machine what may be the issue is Worm hole porosity really started happening when I changed my nozzle tip from the Mig head to the flux core plastic head which may be doing it
It’s all about settings and wire. View the recommendations on the machine as a starting point that requires fine tuning. Getting it dialed in is key. Having super clean metal helps also.
Also 💯 % perfect welds aren’t the norm for most people that aren’t welding as a profession. Don’t sweat it, as long as you get good penetration.
@@GarageHobbyist true
My opinion stick and Flux core is the same difference. I've used both. Flux core is a stick welder in a mig body.
There is definitely some overlap
Hmm never heard of amperage increase as the electrode shrinks.
How does the cost of flux core wire compare to stick electrodes?
What flux core wire do you recommend for multi-pass welding ? I need to weld 1/4 steel.
Its about $15-$25 a 2lb spool depending on what you buy. Rods are around $20 or so for 5 lbs. Rods put more metal down so you go through them quicker I feel. I like the Forney wire for value and performance. amzn.to/3ZeoTtF
Multipass won't be a huge deal, just make sure you clean up the slag from previous passes! Thanks for watching!
@@GarageHobbyist Thanks for the info. My welder will do mig, stick and flux core. Mig works well for indoor welding but I have a couple of projects coming up where I will be welding outdoors. I've been trying to decide on using stick or flux core and your video was helpful.
@@rksando1 I like stick for larger welds and things that have some gaps.
Flux core is much easier moving the torch and simpler, less complication selecting correct rods than stick, bar none.
I definitely agree!
Is it absolutely necessary to use rods out of the oven to get the strongest weld?
Technically, you don't want the rods to absorb any moisture, whether opening a new package or taking them out of an oven. Low hydrogen rods (**18) are more susceptible to moisture than others, but you should keep all rods dry and in sealed containers out of direct sunlight if possible.
Comparing the two methods of welding, the flux core is actually the most difficult, there are more variables in this process compared to stick welding
There are some more variables, however I find the actual mechanics of wire welding easier for me. Use what works best for you!
Keeping rod on the puddle is maybe why
my welds aren't right. I circle about too much instead of waiting straight ahead 'whip & pause'. Smoke way back in shop
with little room for fan is frightening w flux core. Thank you , Palle ; car repair
unfamiliar in itself as steady 220 volt practice on old type sail hull requires a lot of careful SMAW. Tryin' to keep rain
flowing off !
I would add if bodywork is on the list go with mig with a gas bottle not flux core.
Yes! I would agree.
IMHO , you need both
I agree, they all have their place and purpose!
Not looking to invest much. I'm between a 20-75 stick and a 80A flux core welder or maybe buy both, they're pretty reasonable.
It depends on what you’re doing. That amperage range is going to limit you pretty substantially on metal thickness. But if you don’t think you’ll need more, go for it!
Rule of thumb is 5mm and up stick , 1mm to 5mm MIG
I usually go up to 1/4" with Flux core. Not a bad rule!
both are same , only difference is stick is bigger diameter than wire so not suitable for thin stuff .. as for thick stuff cheap welder do not have huge amps so you can not weld thicker regardless of stick or wire .. also with stick slags can ruin your weld if you not angle it right
It's easier to pick up tig if you started with stick.
I could see how having stick down could make learning tig a little easier. The hardest part for me was having both hands and one foot all doing different things in sync.
I started on stick, then mig, then tig. I feel like tig is easier than stick.
Tig is like GAS WELDING, but with foot added for TRIGGER
BOTH HANDS ARE DOING SOMETHING
easiest for the home user. flux core welder from harbor freight. it's not expensive and you don't need to know what each rod does.
your normal home hobby welder won't understand 6013 for thinner metal and 7018 restarts
Being able to get one roll of flux core and leave it in the machine is a pretty big plus for the average garage welder!
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Thanks for watching 🤘
When it comes to welding things can get pretty heated.
Don't want to get burned!
@@GarageHobbyist then I’d have a meltdown.
If a person only uses wire welding machines and can’t stick weld… you’re not a welder. I learned to stick weld and passed 3G/4G and passed MIG test in less than 8 hours of picking it up… you’re barely getting a halfway decent bead going in 8 hours with stick. Wire feed was fun but it’s like using a hot glue gun and takes way less skill. Again, if you can’t stick weld, you’re not a welder.
just learn to weld mma stick welding is the best and cheapest way for beginner than invest to mig and tig but stick is the base
What no welding? Show me !
There are some welding videos coming!
Flux core = for jobs that require a more refined application of welds, stick = for quick and dirty jobs or those that require extreme melting.
As a someone who uses stick, I also want to try this flux core, it seems comparable to soldering wires (which is something I'm familiar with too). At least in the melting part, of course soldering wires does not melt the wire, it just super glues it to the PCB or component.
Rebranded junk! Lookup Keygree welders. Can be had for 150-200 all day online. This one is a rebranded Keygree 250 as far as I can see. I have a error 1 code on display. Units only been used for 30 min since ai bought it...They said out of warranty nothing they can do.. which I get.. however they also would not allow me to talk to support direct, only a call center. They also blocked my email when I tried to ask them about what part needs replacing or what error code meant... Buyer beware. Hope my incident was a fluke. Really liked the welder when it worked but feeling a bit hung out to dry.
I'm sorry to hear that. I've never needed to use their customer support and my machine has been great so far. The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the TIG torch that's included. It is kind of a funky design. I swapped it out for a more conventional cheap flex head torch and have been really happy with it.
You want to master welding, Learn stick welding and yor will master all other ones.......
Flat cap, sleeve tattoos, and a big ass beard
Yep, he's a welder
Or at least plays one on TH-cam 😂