Gonna have to disagree with your conclusion on a professional level.. all the wires you tested except for the Lincoln wire are E71T-GS wires. The G designation stands for general purpose and the S stands for single pass use, which essentially means the flux composition can vary widely from manufacturer to manufacturer. On a practical note, that means if you can't do the weld in one pass you can't safely put another layer of weld on the joint without risk of dilution of base metal or risk of cracking. This is why flux core gets a bad rap and is often only considered for light duty applications. The Lincoln wire is a E71T-11 wire, which means it's a general purpose wire however it's rated for a 5/16" thick multipass application, and thicker with larger diameter wires. This is a wire designation that's pre-approved for limited structural steel use according to AWS D1.1 welding code. On a practical note, you can more reliably use this wire to weld thicker metal in multiple layers if required. I'm a welder that's held certifications to weld to AWS D1.1 code, API 1104, and ASME B31.3. However my primary sources are AWS D1.1 welding code, The Lincoln Electric Website article where flux core wire classifications are explained in detail, Hobart Filler Metals web article on the same subject, and AWS standards for filler metal classifications. Good video, but I wouldn't throw away the Lincoln wire based on how user friendly it is and price. You very much get what you pay for in this case and I hope this information helps someone somewhere.
I do wish the GS was pointed out. I would also have liked a comparison of the Hobart E71T-11. I tried the Vulcan junk once. Ripped a new roll out of my welder cause it wouldn't burn good, and fed horribly. Been running the Hobart E71T-11 since.
Rob, I agree with you 100%, the Lincoln innershield has been my go to wire for years, i wouldn't buy a gs rated wire simply because of you can't make a 2nd pass if needed and sometimes its needed. Thanks!
@@luiskay2487 I don't know why but i could not get the hobart fabshield to run worth a crap, idk if it was just a bad roll but got the Lincoln and never looked back.
That's great info. I never knew that. I was doing multi pass with Vulcan the other day. I've welded stick for almost 30 years and just bought a wire feed.
The moment you pulled the trigger on that Forney wire I knew it was going to be the best one of your test. Fabbed and welded for years I weld with my ears as well as my eyes. Thanks for the video
Flux core wire can also dirty up your whip liner, making feeding inconsistent. Try cleaning out your liner. It made a WORLD of difference for me. Also add a 'scrubber' to your spool just before the feed rollers. I use a clothes pin holding an earplug wrapped around the mig wire. Helps keep from dirtying up your liner.
I've only used Lincoln flux cored in past and could never get a decent weld. Thanks for the video again. Great stuff. I honestly use your advice when buying welding stuff.
I've been a Forney sales rep for 9 years now. One of my favorite things about my job is that I never have to feel bad about selling something to someone. Our products are manufactured to high standards, and when we do occasionally get a bad one (inevitable with mass production), we replace it. My customers (store managers and owners) all know that I'm going to treat them right, and it makes my job easy. One of my biggest customers also has a Lincoln display, about half the size of mine, and they sell far more Forney. I'm glad you mentioned the 1lb roll weight of the Lincoln wire- lots of folks don't notice that, and think it's cheaper.
Right on Steve 🙂 I was definitely impressed with the Forney wire 👍 I haven’t gotten the chance to try out any Forney welders yet, maybe someday I will buy one and test it out ? Take care 🙂
Mike I learned by watching your videos. i picked up a HF titanium 125 on discount and jumped quite a bit at the first spark but have learned a lot since then by just doing it..now I am converting an old school bus into an rv and have done a lot of welding already and most likely will do a lot more. not the prettiest but solid welds for the most part...I get better a learn more with every weld. I could not have and would not have tried without your instruction. just wanted to say thanks man!
Mike, about 6 years ago I switched to INE brand flux core welding wire ( bought off of Amazon ). INE is made in Italy and produces less splatter and the weld puddle is a little more fluid with good flux coverage all though the flux seams to be thinner and is smooth welding, crisp start and good looking results and strong welds. There are several TH-cam videos on this brand of wire and is how I learned about it. You might want to try it out, I love this wire !, you won't be disappointed ! ! ! Great video !
I have a Lincoln welder so I thought the Lincoln wire would be the best. I came back to watch your video again because my 1lb of wire lasted close to 36". I used a 10 lb spool for years. Mainly because my welds looked so bad that I've avoided welding with that machine. After watching this and a few other videos I'm welding a bit better. I really appreciate the effort you took to make this video. I couldn't believe people could actually get a bead with these. Now I will check Amazon to see if they have that Fortney wire. Thank you
Mike thanks for doing this video. I had a friend over tonight that welds and was explaining a similar situation with welding rods for ARC. I explained that not all ARC rods behave the same. I pulled out a brand new package of Blue Demon 7014 rods and had him weld some lines. He was amazed with how much better the rods burned and didn't stick or fail to ignite. Not all rods, or wires are the same. So I really appreciate your effort and hope people understand this effort on your part.
Ain't it great that you put out a video to help people and half of the comments are about how you did this or that wrong or that you don't know what you're talking about, etc. I thank you for the information you've provided and truly appreciate the effort.
I don't think I've ever seen a review video done so well. I felt like an appropriate amount of time was spent on each section and product. Very informative and easy to follow. Thank you.
Good Video. Been welding flux core for over 30 years. My Lincoln was from 2002 and still going strong. Maybe they don't make em like they used to. I recently tried Kiswel, 40 bucks for 10 lbs, MADE IN USA. Welds great on a Lincoln. Flux core issues are al about the spatter. Its a PIA. The Kiswel product has been going strong from sheet metal all the way to 1/4 steel plate. I would recommend it. Especially since its made in USA. I am in no way affiliated with the company. Just recommending a good product.
I'm never going to get better through practice, so the last thing I need is poor-performing wire on top of bad technique. That makes this video A+ for usefulness!
Glad to see someone show off different brands of wire. Especially so people can have a comparison of good wire vs the Lincoln stuff. You can get it easily at the big box stores but that doesn't mean it's good.
Well, since you've been pleasantly surprised by the performance of the flux core wire, perhaps you could do a beginner level video on welding 110v, flux core and share some tips with beginners on how to get better results?
Always love your non biased views and actual hobby user feedback for all to see. I have a couple of comments on this video, I really wish you would of cut the coupons thru the weld and seen the actual depth of weld. Different wire will have different reactions to material and heat settings. The other thing is to remember flux core wire is very simular to sticks in stick welding. The flux still absorbs moisture while exposed to the atmosphere so keep your bags sealed until you need them. The advantage of the 1# and 2# spools is the less they sit collecting moisture. Even non flux wire will rust if exposed to the atmosphere too long. Living in the southwest is better than up north where we're usually in single didgit humidity levels. When I lived up in Northern Illinois we welded about 2x a month, had 40# spools that we only used about 7# of before having to throw out the rest, it just wouldn't weld for crap. We switched to 2# spools and would use all of them up. Just what we noticed. Old school fabricator here, at work our welders ran 2 full shifts 5 and 6 days a week. Wire didn't have time to turn bad there.
Cheers Mike. Thanks for doing that comparison. That was a good deal of time and effort as well as purchasing the wire in the first place. Greatly appreciated.
Great video Mike. I have a cheap 110vt flux core wire feed welder and used both the Vulcan and Lincoln wire and I will say I don't know to weld properly but both had a ton of splatter and BBs on the stuff I did so maybe I am better than I think and it was the wire. Who knows? I always learn something from your videos. Thanks for making them.
The lincoln wire is E71T-11 versus E71T-GS. E71T-GS is more common. I was told E71T-GS is single pass and isn't standardized. E71-T11 is multi pass and has to meet standards. So E71T-GS can vary greatly between brands. I think brand and freshness makes a big difference. Moisture can be an issue. Especially for us up here in the great north wet. I usually run hobart E71-T11 wire because it is convenient to get and runs better than some I've tried. Ultimately it's flux core and I'm not to worried about it being perfect.
Very timely wire review. Just yesterday my Yes Welder MP200 5 in 1 welder just came in the mail. I ordered it back in Oct knowing it wouldn't come in for some time. I've never welded before (we'll once, but only someone letting me try to weld). I bought the Yes Welder because my son is starting a small hobby farm so we'll need a welder and plasma cutter around. Already have a couple of jobs we'd like to try it out on so now we'll need to get some wire. Guess I'll be using your Yes Welder coupon to get some of that wire after your review. Love your channel and as a new person to welding I really appreciate all the work you've done to show us how to weld properly.
It would be interesting to see a "cut and etch" to see penetration characteristics. There is another flux wire to consider: Blue Demon E71T-11 X .030. Question is how do they do on a re-weld over test. Maybe do a part two? Thanks Mike.
@@delmas15 Possibly In a future video? Unfortunately I lost over 50 subscribers when I posted this video. I may make a cut and etch video like I have on some of my other videos in the past, but 90% of my subscribers don’t watch this stuff anyways. 😔
@@Mikefestiva that’s unfortunate Mike as I find your opinion and experience valuable as I start welding for the first time since high school (1984). Maybe those folks are more experienced welders only interested in your projects but still no reason to unsub.
Watching this a couple of hours after amazon delivered 10lb spool of Yeswelder. All I can say is YES! Also your flux core welds look better than most people's MIG welds. 👍
Love this topic. I used harbor freight wire and was always disappointed with the welds and chalked it up to my inexperience or cheap welder. Upgraded to Lincoln and was vindicated. I’m glad there are even better products as well
Thank you for the excellent comparison of wires. I have welded with MIG, TIG, and Stick mostly. I have a little Walmart flux machine that I use on thin stuff. Clean is the first item. If it's any thicker stuff preheating with the propane torch helps lots. I don't do any serious welding with the thing, but I do find it is real good for tacking pre-weld for my 36 year old Craftsman AC/DC 225 stick welder. I've put that machine through hell. I'd recommend it to anyone if it was just as good today. It was made by Century. I did use the flux machine to weld patches in my friends mower deck and liked the results. I need to get a more serious flux machine in the future and I know whose videos I can reference to make a good decision. Cheers Terry from South Carolina
Really good review, Mike. Fair, consistent, and no nonsense comparison. Lincoln obviously makes some fantastic machines but I'm with you 100% on their wires, just not my first choice either. Vulcan, Yeswelder, and Hynade, I've never used so I can't comment. Forney however, absolutely my go to brand of wire throughout their entire line. They've never let me down,
As someone who is just getting into welding (starting with a Titanium 125 Flux welder from HFT) I thank you VERY much! I'll order some of the Yeswelder to learn with. Thank you again! +1 Sub!
Great video. I also love the Forney wire as it does run really smooth. The Lincoln wore is a little different as it is the 71T-11 instead of the GS wires like the others. It is the only one rated for multiple pass welds.
I’m 100% a novice to welding. Have a craftsman 140amp gas less I have used for years making ugly welds. Never thought it could be the wire hampering me. Always figured it was just me. Going to give some different wire a chance to help me improve next time I need to put down a bead. Thanks for the info. Great video. 👍
Mike, You are the architect of my welding education! Thanks for all the comparison videos and instruction. they are appreciated greatly. Keep it up! (I also enjoy watching the "going out to have fun" videos)
Hey Mike, I got the Hynade 155 today. That's a fine machine. I like the synergic mode. Works nice. Nice clean weld with the included .030 flux wire. I like it. I also tore into the Yeswelder flux 135 and found found a cold solder joint on the inverter board. Works great now, so that issue is over with. But now I have 3 flux core welders: Titanium 125, Yeswelder 135 and the new Hynade 155D. My shop is starting to look like a welding supply store, lol. I'll email Yeswelder Monday and tell them to close the ticket. I'm going to donate the Titanium to one of my neighbors. Like you say..pay it forward. Take care and thanks.
I’m glad you got the Hynade and like it! I’m also glad you found the problem on the Yeswelder, it is a bummer you even had to take it apart to fix a brand new welder. I did send a message to Yeswelder the on Friday with your order # and problem, I told them they need to make it right with you and I mentioned I’m extremely disappointed in Yeswelder for not promptly taking care of your problem. I would hope they contact you come Monday. If you hear back from them I would be interested to hear what they say? I haven’t had any problems with there products so far but hearing they didn’t take care of your problem makes me question how much more I want to work with that company. Paying it forward is awesome Timothy! I think your friend will be really happy 😊
@@Mikefestiva Yeah, it works great...nice beead using the .030 wire that was included. Ana@yeswelder was going to ship me a replacement welder and told me to keep the other one. I replied that she can skip that since I repaired the one I have. Overall, it turned out OK. I would still buy their products, but they need to revamp their warranty process.
Thank you for this video. I had the very opposite experience: the wire spool supplied with the welding machine was really bad. As a newbie I had a hard time starting the job. I was trying multiple Amps, Wire speed, welding position...until the spool had to be replaced. The second spool (separately bought in the same place /brand) was so much easier to use... and I did not think even better may be available by changing wire brand / type. But now, I understand a little better and will probably experience with more wire types.
I just ordered Forney. Thank You!! I'm finally at my welding level where I'm worried about the wire. I'm welding on a Vulcan MigMax 215. Solid. Never hit duty cycle.
When I started welding, using a flux core wire, I didn't know diddly. All I knew is that I couldn't see anything. I spent a lot of time trying different things to see the puddle. I used the wire that came with the machine until I got tired of dealing with the rats nest ( I told you I was a beginner). After a long time I finally changed wire. Now I can see. It was smoke. The original wire produced copious amounts of SMOKE.
This was a great video on something I always took for granted. I’ll definitely try some different wire once the spool I currently have is gone. And the best part of it is your setup and technique tricks - “If it’s got slag, you drag” and your thought to increase the stick out when welding with flux core wire. Your videos are always well worth watching, Mike! Thanks again!
Try using a fan where you are welding. I've found out. The flux core wire welds better in the wind. Blow the smoke out. You can see better. Less splatter and better welds. I found that out one time I was welding. Run out of gas. On a Saturday. No gas store was open. I had some flux core. Loaded it up. Spit spattered couldn't see very well. Opened up my shop doors. Pretty Wind that day. As I was welding. Gusts of wind blew in the shop. I could see well. Hardly any splatter, and it just brushed off. The wind would stop. I couldn't see again and the spit and spattered. The ones I did before the wind. I had to grind off. So now I use a fan. Does great! When you get just enough air to blow the smoke away. I used a box fan at first. I had to turn it at an angle. Now I have a small fan with 3 settings. The lowest setting is great. Welds are really close to using gas. Try it sometime!
yeah I just tested out my new flux welder today, and I got the flux wire Vulcan from harbor freight (think I should start looking online for that Forney wire) ... your'e NOT kidding about slowing down! I have never used a flux welder in my 42 years on earth, never even knew there was mig welders without tanks till a few days ago haha "I'm old" but my son's truck is rotting, and I gotta figure out how to use this thing to save his truck! Gotta make good use of my mothers day present, and get the fender on this Chevy fixed
I've been using the Yeswelder wire for a little over a year now and have been very happy with it. Was running the readily available Vulcan before that and was not impressed with it. Thanks for the video
I know it's not dual voltage. But, the titanium 125 Flux core welder is a great machine as well. In my opinion. Will try the Forney wire as well. Thanks for the video on the different wire. Very helpful.
Yesterday I got a HF email saying the Titanium 125 was on sale so I went to check it out and I saw a friendly face in the customer video section, I said hey that's Mike Festiva. I had already watched your unboxing and review video for that welder but I decided I could use some more good common sense information in my night and I saw this new video. I'll be watching for that Hynade welder review but I think this video was enough to sell me on it thank you very much Michael.
I'll try some Forney wire...$16.99 on Amazon. My cheap Harbor Freight 170 flux core welder gets similar results using the Vulcan...never tried anything else. Thanks.
Thanks for posting. I'm a newbie welder and learning on a Titanium 125. I've watched some of your other videos about the 125 and also very insightful. I did notice quite a bit of splatter from this versus welding on a MIG machine with gas. I knew there would be splatter with the Flux core wire but seeing this video gives me a little hope that my welds with my little machine can be a bit cleaner. the wire that came with the 125 and it splatters quite a bit! Might also have to do with my inexperience. 😄 I build furniture and have been wanting to add metal work to the things I make. I just realized metal is a whole different, deep rabbit hole, just like woodworking! Love learning new things and glad I came across your channel! 😄☺ Keep up the great and informative work. Only helping me to get better!! Cheers!
Welded for many years all types of welding and when using the flux core tried other name brands but Always go back to the Lincoln wire. Every one is a little different but all will hold. You done a real good job welding. Thanks
Great timing on this video, I bought a cheapo flux welder like 5yrs ago and finally have my garage cleaned up enough to bust it out and practice, thanks for the tips and I think I’m gonna order some Forney wire… great videos always
Very informative. I've compared wires years ago and Forney had best results, plus Forney 140 amp Mig welder also accepts 2 or 10lb rolls bought on Amazon has worked over 5 yrs without any issues. Good video.
Watched this video before, but just noticed something this time that I didn't pick up on before. The Lincoln NR211 is the only wire of the five you tested, that is specified for single or multi-pass welds. The other four were all single pass only wires. Perhaps that might account for it being the most expensive?... Anyway, it is another consideration when looking at these wires.
I’ve been a pipe welder for 55 years I have to re-with you on your right choice. I have never used flux core Meg wire. I’ve used stainless steel flux core stick rod with flux inside and out side with a tig root and hot pass it passed X-ray and surprisingly made a really slick cover pass. That was on a nuclear powerhouse in Arizona late 70s . My question is how does it run in the overhead position? I have a Lincoln Meg welder where i used for small little jobs with gas shield and it runs good Nice video very informative
I found a few tips that would be very handy to know, Thank You for spending the extra money on the different wires so that we wouldn't have too. I purchased a 2 lb. spool flux cored wire from Tractor Supply for 9.98 regular price and it ran great with hardly any BB's. A week before I got a spool from HF ran really badly @ 14.99. Go figure.
I went and bought that same welder you used in the video and the yes welder wire and it works amazing even on 110. Works better then my Lincoln. Thanks for the tips. Love your videos.
I've used the Harbor Freight Vulcan and Hobart from Tractor Supply, for much the same reason that Mike used the Vulcan and Lincoln...it's what was close by and available. The Hobart always edged out the Vulcan, but not by much. I decided to try the WeldingCity wire because I read a good review and there was a really good deal (5 two pound rolls for $50.) It welds much better than the other two, with minimal, fine ball spatter, similar to the better wires in this video. All the wire I'm mentioning here was E71T-11 or GS in 2lb spools. The Hobart and Vulcan were just shrink wrapped, the WeldingCity comes in foil pouches. If you are an infrequent welder like me, running 2lb foil wrapped rolls no worries about a 10lb roll soaking up moisture and rusting away from disuse.
Thanks Mike!! I stumbled over this video literally the night before I ran out of my last roll of Lincoln flux core wire in my Hobart Handler 180 230 volt. Based on what Mike had demonstrated, I decided to try out a roll of Forney 0.030" FC wire on a project with 1/8" mild steel. Long story short - WOW what an improvement! I'm by no means a professional welder so take this with a grain of salt, but the Forney wire way outperformed the Lincoln wire - it simply made better-looking, more consistent welds, with way less spatter. I'll try the other two brands after I run out of the Forney, but I don't think that I'll ever return to the Lincoln wire.
Mike!!---Nice comparison video! Now store those spools in the cabinet for a couple months and test them again to see how well they keep. It might be very interesting for the average hobby welder that sometimes goes a while between projects. The YesWelder wire can be purchased around $3.50/lb on 10lb rolls----great value! P.S. avoid Kiswell
Now that's how you do an informative video. I have been using the Lincoln primarily. I've been wanting something better. I'll be buying the Forney. Thank you. I an need an inexpensive dual voltage machine. I'll also be picking up one of those. To all TH-camrs. This is how you present a video.
thank you...i had seen another video doing about what you had done with different flux cored...and lincoln...forney looks to be really the winner and easily available now....
Don't do much welding. I learned to stick weld 40 yrs ago and was decent at it. This wire welding is totally new and I'm just trying to make it stick. I wish I had seen this before I bought another HF 125. Oh well. Great info video and I will be trying some of the 3 suggested wire. Thanks Mike.
I have had a lot of people mentioning this, I was going to test out the Blue Demon but I had over $100 in flux wire ordered in my cart so I ended up putting the Blue Demon wire back. Thanks for sharing your wire recommendations Adam 🙂👍
Weird algorithm moment. Ran out of wire at work and boss had to run to home depot. I use the Lincoln wire because it was way better than welding store's wire but now I want this Forney stuff, I think it would help even more filling in rust holes on converters.
Unfortunately I could only justify spending so much of my money on this free content, I spent over $100 on wire and $150 on the welder, I would have liked to try other wire but it’s a lot to spend to make a free video. Thanks Paul for checking out my new video 🙂👍
@@Mikefestiva yeah I definitely understand I not doing lot of different things that use up lot of consumables not only welding a lot different thing’s. Heck who can afford it and when u do get little extra coins 🪙 Saved if u want to call them extra. Lol ur always out of gas ⛽️ now so. Oh no how can we have any pudding if we don’t have any meat 🥩 how can we add any meat 🍖 if we don’t have any gas ⛽️. Lol. I guess kick on some Floyd and watch ur videos. Oh by the way which ones PINK. lol later oh buddy. Stay safe.
Just looked up that welder and it came up $239. 11 days after this video came out. It sounds like a pretty amazing machine if all it's functions actually work. Might still be worth the extra hundred bucks. I used to weld professionally and my company had nice, powerful equipment. Now I'm a hobbyist trying to recover from being spoiled and find a good, usable machine for all around welding. Thanks for the video!
take about 10 loops off each spool and lay it flat on a table then cut all the loops in the same spot, if one end lifts off the table more than 2" or 3" it has a bad twist in it and that will effect how it runs through the welder and how it effects your bead, I worked at the Lincoln plant that makes that wire
New Becoming welder here.... Looking to weld some decorating frames together! Thank you my man on the video. You pointed me in the right direction when it comes to products and welding of choice. You gave a very concise comparison presentation Mike!!!
Thanks for checking out my videos 😊 Here’s an older video I made but it will probably be helpful for you especially when starting out. How to weld, Tips for Beginners th-cam.com/video/b-zI6OJe-ik/w-d-xo.html
I used up the spool that came with my hf 125 titanium. This is what i learned with. After my first weld with Fornay, i wish i bought earlier, way better. Spatter spray is great too. Now that my powerfile is broken, i realize how much i use it for metal. 3M cubitron 2, 60 grit, is the best ($2.50 /belt) is the best money i ever spent.
I had a flux core welder several years ago and got great results with Hobart wire. It was far superior over the wire that came with the machine from Harbor Freight.
Bought my first welder and laid my first beads today! Boy were they pretty rough lol. They make it look so easy, so you don't really understand how tricky it is until you're under the hood. But I'm definitely hooked!
Try putting a high power light source like a halogen near the object. It lets you see nicely what you are doing until you get used to things. It also helps seeing the puddle and tip better.
One thing to note is that the Lincoln flux-core is the only wire tested that is approved for multi-pass welding ('-11 type'). The other wires are '-GS type' and are only approved for single-pass welding. Hobart also has '-11 type' flux core wire.
@@origin0000 I think it's *better welders* that create better welds. Flux core has better penetration than MIG and avoids the initial costs of a bottle and gas. Getting a MIG machine allows one to start welding with flux core and wait until needs change and/or funds accumulate before starting MIG welding.
YES. BUT WHAT IF they (LincolnElectric) only paid a huge amount of cash just to get that paper certificate, and it possibly is just that: A nice beautiful paper certificate to be framed and hung on the wall ??? Look, since the FASHION of the costly "Certify-Everything", many ready to become bankrupt Classification Societies, like Lloyd's of London, Germanische-Lloyd's, Bureau-Veritas, DNV-Det Norske Veritas, or TÜV transformed their business of Classifying marine vessels and large petroleum installations into a much more profitable "Crazy Certifying Everything"... but their precious Certifications mean little in reality, like all the ISO-9000, 14000 or whatever-thousands costly trends. Until some sensible people (like "Project-Farm") proceeds to actually testing if the Lincoln E-71T-11 to reveal IF it is truly "better" at multi-pass, away from any large government organism, as we could very well be paying double for an almost meaningless paper certificate!
I recently bought some Vulcan FluxCore because I needed some in a pinch. Welds OK but I think the alloy is soft. It is easier to dent with a hammer than the Hobart wire I've used before.
I got a small buzz box do to the fact of digging out the big one. I used the. Lincoln wire. Since It was the fasted to find local . The wire was a night and day difference. Even though both of them was purchased at the same time. I will buy some of the forney wire since I have the welder and you recommend it. 😊.
I've been using Forney for years but on a couple occasions I have used the HF wire for the same reason as you, it was readily available and couldn't find Forney wire locally anymore. I will mention one fact that i didn't hear you mention, out of all the wires in your test group, the Lincoln is the only wire rated for multi-pass, what the means your guess is as good as mine because i have made multiple pass welds with Forney wire on many occasions without and problems but then again i always use a wire wheel to clean the welds between passes. i just thought i'd mention that fact so that maybe if someone has knowledge about the milti-pass thing they can share it with us.....
As a farm welder/ grinder, I've always taken responsibility for my poor welds. I'll try the Forney and see if it does improve my welds. Thank You for the insight. Hoka Hey
In total agreement with others to cut and inspect. Subscribers come and go like the wind. Do the videos that you want as well as how you want and you will find loyal folks wanting to learn and we will pass it on. And I just subscribed. Thank You
So glad you made this video. Been using Vulcan since I’ve had a mig welder. Never really thought it welded good. But good enough. So I bought some Lincoln flux core and thought it welded the exact same so I was under the assumption it was me or the machine. My next wire is Forney. If that welds bad I guess I can chop it down to my skills. Lol thanks again Mike.
Like a librarian, i fell in love with the Fourney even before she got cleaned up! No more lincoln for me! I just thought I was a halfass welder after so many years away.
I've tried Hobart, Blue Demon, Vulcan, and Forney. I have had good results with all of them, but the Blue Demon is not only made in America, but it is by far less expensive than the other brands, so that is what I order online. I do have a 10lb roll of Lincoln that I bought locally, but have not ran it yet. My welder is a Hobart 210mvp.
Hey Mike! Thanks for the tips and I hope you're having a great weekend. I bought my first welder, a really cheap flux core welder a few months ago and made a snow plow from an old oil drum for my lawn tractor. Turned out really good actually. A lot of this interest and curiosity in making things is actually from your awesome build videos which I appreciate a lot, so thanks for that!
Hi. Really liked this video. There was much more to learn as you went along. I'm new to flux and needed to know I've been using lousy flux core (Vulcan). I now know what to look for. I wish you had done this on 110 volts to know if the performance is the same. I wouldn't be surprised if you got different results at different voltage. Thanks.
Good as always Mike. Saved me some time. My local hardware store carries Forney. I'm just learning MIG and TIG so your videos are very helpful and to the point. Keep up the good work. It takes time to make and edit the videos so thanks for your time and effort my friend it is appreciated.
Love the video... next video suggestion. since you have all the wire and a dual voltage machine, do the same tests but at 110v. Many of us don't have 220v and are into flux core because of all the 110v options available for it. Thank you in advance.
I have a forney 110 flux core welder and it runs the forney wire he's using awesome. I use it for small projects around the house instead of dragging out the leads on my welding truck. I have over 30 years welding in the oil,gas,and aerospace industries and I love that little machine. It makes small jobs on thinner metals a breeze. Not the best choice for something you want to show off your craftsmanship on but,if decent looking and strong welds is what your after it's awesome. Hope this helps.
@@claudegosselin2449 put .30 flux core destructive test in the search bar. There are several channels that have done it on the single and multipass wires. Sometimes videos will show up on a Google search that don't show up on a TH-cam search so try Google first 👍. Bend tests and etching are both done on most of them. The forney wire is usually in the top two on the single pass wires depending on the machine used,some like different wires better,hopefully you'll find one with your machine and can find out what it digests best.
I have an ancient Forney stick welder. I love that 500 lb tank. I like their welding wire. I never cared for Lincoln wire, it always seemed to run odd to me.
Thank you. I just welded up a bumper kit with Vulcan (bought it with my little green welder from the same store), and the beads are good, but good lord the splatter. Glad to know that it isn't me, and I will be buying some Forney to keep on hand. 30 and 35
Gonna have to disagree with your conclusion on a professional level.. all the wires you tested except for the Lincoln wire are E71T-GS wires. The G designation stands for general purpose and the S stands for single pass use, which essentially means the flux composition can vary widely from manufacturer to manufacturer. On a practical note, that means if you can't do the weld in one pass you can't safely put another layer of weld on the joint without risk of dilution of base metal or risk of cracking. This is why flux core gets a bad rap and is often only considered for light duty applications. The Lincoln wire is a E71T-11 wire, which means it's a general purpose wire however it's rated for a 5/16" thick multipass application, and thicker with larger diameter wires. This is a wire designation that's pre-approved for limited structural steel use according to AWS D1.1 welding code. On a practical note, you can more reliably use this wire to weld thicker metal in multiple layers if required. I'm a welder that's held certifications to weld to AWS D1.1 code, API 1104, and ASME B31.3. However my primary sources are AWS D1.1 welding code, The Lincoln Electric Website article where flux core wire classifications are explained in detail, Hobart Filler Metals web article on the same subject, and AWS standards for filler metal classifications. Good video, but I wouldn't throw away the Lincoln wire based on how user friendly it is and price. You very much get what you pay for in this case and I hope this information helps someone somewhere.
I do wish the GS was pointed out. I would also have liked a comparison of the Hobart E71T-11. I tried the Vulcan junk once. Ripped a new roll out of my welder cause it wouldn't burn good, and fed horribly. Been running the Hobart E71T-11 since.
Rob, I agree with you 100%, the Lincoln innershield has been my go to wire for years, i wouldn't buy a gs rated wire simply because of you can't make a 2nd pass if needed and sometimes its needed. Thanks!
@@luiskay2487 I don't know why but i could not get the hobart fabshield to run worth a crap, idk if it was just a bad roll but got the Lincoln and never looked back.
Thanks for the detailed explanation of what those codes mean.
That's great info. I never knew that. I was doing multi pass with Vulcan the other day. I've welded stick for almost 30 years and just bought a wire feed.
Excellent... just after I bought 4.5kg of flux core! 🙈 Love flux core. Nothing to beat it for outdoors work.
The moment you pulled the trigger on that Forney wire I knew it was going to be the best one of your test. Fabbed and welded for years I weld with my ears as well as my eyes. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching Brent
Flux core wire can also dirty up your whip liner, making feeding inconsistent. Try cleaning out your liner. It made a WORLD of difference for me.
Also add a 'scrubber' to your spool just before the feed rollers. I use a clothes pin holding an earplug wrapped around the mig wire. Helps keep from dirtying up your liner.
Thanks for the tip👍
How do you clean your liner ?
@@kllisk little isopropyl achol..then air blow out....its ok to use a foam ear plug before the rollers to wipe wire.
I've only used Lincoln flux cored in past and could never get a decent weld.
Thanks for the video again. Great stuff. I honestly use your advice when buying welding stuff.
Thanks for checking out my new video Rick! I definitely liked the top 3 wires, they weld far better for me then the HF or Lincoln wire. Take care 👍
I've always used Anti spatter to help with flux core. it just makes things easier to clean up. Great Vid!!
What anti spatter do u use
Check out fireball tool channel. He did an exhaustive tests of anti spatter
@@TheKajunkat cool thanks for the tip
I've been a Forney sales rep for 9 years now. One of my favorite things about my job is that I never have to feel bad about selling something to someone. Our products are manufactured to high standards, and when we do occasionally get a bad one (inevitable with mass production), we replace it. My customers (store managers and owners) all know that I'm going to treat them right, and it makes my job easy. One of my biggest customers also has a Lincoln display, about half the size of mine, and they sell far more Forney. I'm glad you mentioned the 1lb roll weight of the Lincoln wire- lots of folks don't notice that, and think it's cheaper.
Right on Steve 🙂 I was definitely impressed with the Forney wire 👍
I haven’t gotten the chance to try out any Forney welders yet, maybe someday I will buy one and test it out ? Take care 🙂
I bet Steve could hook you up 😁
Thanks.
Thanks for taking the time to edit and narrate this video to help us.
Your voice overs were helpful
Right on I appreciate it Scott 😊👍
Mike I learned by watching your videos. i picked up a HF titanium 125 on discount and jumped quite a bit at the first spark but have learned a lot since then by just doing it..now I am converting an old school bus into an rv and have done a lot of welding already and most likely will do a lot more. not the prettiest but solid welds for the most part...I get better a learn more with every weld. I could not have and would not have tried without your instruction. just wanted to say thanks man!
John hearing things like this really makes my day! Right on Man 👍
Mike, about 6 years ago I switched to INE brand flux core welding wire ( bought off of Amazon ). INE is made in Italy and produces less splatter and the weld puddle is a little more fluid with good flux coverage all though the flux seams to be thinner and is smooth welding, crisp start and good looking results and strong welds. There are several TH-cam videos on this brand of wire and is how I learned about it. You might want to try it out, I love this wire !, you won't be disappointed ! ! ! Great video !
Thanks for your suggestion David! You are probably the third person to mention that brand of wire, they have all recommended it 👍
I have a Lincoln welder so I thought the Lincoln wire would be the best. I came back to watch your video again because my 1lb of wire lasted close to 36". I used a 10 lb spool for years. Mainly because my welds looked so bad that I've avoided welding with that machine. After watching this and a few other videos I'm welding a bit better. I really appreciate the effort you took to make this video. I couldn't believe people could actually get a bead with these. Now I will check Amazon to see if they have that Fortney wire. Thank you
Mike thanks for doing this video. I had a friend over tonight that welds and was explaining a similar situation with welding rods for ARC. I explained that not all ARC rods behave the same. I pulled out a brand new package of Blue Demon 7014 rods and had him weld some lines. He was amazed with how much better the rods burned and didn't stick or fail to ignite. Not all rods, or wires are the same. So I really appreciate your effort and hope people understand this effort on your part.
Thanks a lot John!!!
Ain't it great that you put out a video to help people and half of the comments are about how you did this or that wrong or that you don't know what you're talking about, etc.
I thank you for the information you've provided and truly appreciate the effort.
Thank you Michael! I really appreciate it reading your comment 😊👍
Ya Mike.... Every year a welder learns something new..... So everyone here has different years experience... It's love in a wierd way
I don't think as I read down so far that anyone really dissedhim; just provided more correct information. I'm soaking it ALL up!
I purchased my welder from forney and have only used their wire. Results have always been good.
I don't think I've ever seen a review video done so well. I felt like an appropriate amount of time was spent on each section and product. Very informative and easy to follow. Thank you.
Good Video. Been welding flux core for over 30 years. My Lincoln was from 2002 and still going strong. Maybe they don't make em like they used to. I recently tried Kiswel, 40 bucks for 10 lbs, MADE IN USA. Welds great on a Lincoln. Flux core issues are al about the spatter. Its a PIA. The Kiswel product has been going strong from sheet metal all the way to 1/4 steel plate. I would recommend it. Especially since its made in USA. I am in no way affiliated with the company. Just recommending a good product.
I'm a Flux-Core welder and still getting the hang of it.
Your video was really helpful.
Thanks a bunch.
Eric in Kissimmee Florida.
Right on! I’m glad my videos are helpful to you Eric 🙂 Thanks man 👍
Keep on welding and having fun 🙂
I'm never going to get better through practice, so the last thing I need is poor-performing wire on top of bad technique. That makes this video A+ for usefulness!
I just picked up a Forney flux core welder to start learning to weld with, so this video was very timely. Thanks for the great content.
Glad to see someone show off different brands of wire. Especially so people can have a comparison of good wire vs the Lincoln stuff. You can get it easily at the big box stores but that doesn't mean it's good.
Well, since you've been pleasantly surprised by the performance of the flux core wire, perhaps you could do a beginner level video on welding 110v, flux core and share some tips with beginners on how to get better results?
Always love your non biased views and actual hobby user feedback for all to see.
I have a couple of comments on this video, I really wish you would of cut the coupons thru the weld and seen the actual depth of weld. Different wire will have different reactions to material and heat settings. The other thing is to remember flux core wire is very simular to sticks in stick welding. The flux still absorbs moisture while exposed to the atmosphere so keep your bags sealed until you need them. The advantage of the 1# and 2# spools is the less they sit collecting moisture. Even non flux wire will rust if exposed to the atmosphere too long. Living in the southwest is better than up north where we're usually in single didgit humidity levels. When I lived up in Northern Illinois we welded about 2x a month, had 40# spools that we only used about 7# of before having to throw out the rest, it just wouldn't weld for crap. We switched to 2# spools and would use all of them up. Just what we noticed. Old school fabricator here, at work our welders ran 2 full shifts 5 and 6 days a week. Wire didn't have time to turn bad there.
Cheers Mike. Thanks for doing that comparison. That was a good deal of time and effort as well as purchasing the wire in the first place. Greatly appreciated.
Thanks for checking out my new video!
Also thanks for appreciating the effort to make this video 👍🙂
Have a wonderful weekend!
I shut my tank off and reversed the polarity on my Lincoln mig welder and it welds great now!.
Mike, this is probably THE best welding tips video I’ve ever watched! I’m just an amateur/DIY guy, but I learned SO much from this video! Thanks!😊
Glad you found it helpful 😊👍
Great video Mike. I have a cheap 110vt flux core wire feed welder and used both the Vulcan and Lincoln wire and I will say I don't know to weld properly but both had a ton of splatter and BBs on the stuff I did so maybe I am better than I think and it was the wire. Who knows? I always learn something from your videos. Thanks for making them.
Thanks Tom!
The lincoln wire is E71T-11 versus E71T-GS. E71T-GS is more common. I was told E71T-GS is single pass and isn't standardized. E71-T11 is multi pass and has to meet standards. So E71T-GS can vary greatly between brands.
I think brand and freshness makes a big difference. Moisture can be an issue. Especially for us up here in the great north wet. I usually run hobart E71-T11 wire because it is convenient to get and runs better than some I've tried.
Ultimately it's flux core and I'm not to worried about it being perfect.
Very timely wire review. Just yesterday my Yes Welder MP200 5 in 1 welder just came in the mail. I ordered it back in Oct knowing it wouldn't come in for some time. I've never welded before (we'll once, but only someone letting me try to weld). I bought the Yes Welder because my son is starting a small hobby farm so we'll need a welder and plasma cutter around. Already have a couple of jobs we'd like to try it out on so now we'll need to get some wire. Guess I'll be using your Yes Welder coupon to get some of that wire after your review. Love your channel and as a new person to welding I really appreciate all the work you've done to show us how to weld properly.
Pete thank you so much for saying that! I hope your and your son enjoy the many projects to come 👍
It would be interesting to see a "cut and etch" to see penetration characteristics. There is another flux wire to consider: Blue Demon E71T-11 X .030. Question is how do they do on a re-weld over test. Maybe do a part two? Thanks Mike.
I agree, cut it open and see.
@@delmas15 Possibly In a future video?
Unfortunately I lost over 50 subscribers when I posted this video.
I may make a cut and etch video like I have on some of my other videos in the past, but 90% of my subscribers don’t watch this stuff anyways. 😔
I watch. In fact you are the reason I bought a flux core welder and hobby around with it.
@@Mikefestiva that’s unfortunate Mike as I find your opinion and experience valuable as I start welding for the first time since high school (1984). Maybe those folks are more experienced welders only interested in your projects but still no reason to unsub.
I have the blue devil stuff. Im a noob welder so dont know if i matter or not but blue devil seems to work like vulcan and lincoln
Watching this a couple of hours after amazon delivered 10lb spool of Yeswelder. All I can say is YES! Also your flux core welds look better than most people's MIG welds. 👍
Thank you- none of these other videos discuss different wires- very difficult for a beginner to muddle thru this
Love this topic. I used harbor freight wire and was always disappointed with the welds and chalked it up to my inexperience or cheap welder. Upgraded to Lincoln and was vindicated. I’m glad there are even better products as well
Thank you for the excellent comparison of wires. I have welded with MIG, TIG, and Stick mostly. I have a little Walmart flux machine that I use on thin stuff. Clean is the first item. If it's any thicker stuff preheating with the propane torch helps lots.
I don't do any serious welding with the thing, but I do find it is real good for tacking pre-weld for my 36 year old Craftsman AC/DC 225 stick welder. I've put that machine through hell. I'd recommend it to anyone if it was just as good today. It was made by Century.
I did use the flux machine to weld patches in my friends mower deck and liked the results.
I need to get a more serious flux machine in the future and I know whose videos I can reference to make a good decision.
Cheers
Terry from South Carolina
Thanks for watching Terry!
Terry,I have just acquired a Century 100 amp to do thin mower decks,info on #wire,speed greatly appreciated, thanks, Ken
Really good review, Mike. Fair, consistent, and no nonsense comparison. Lincoln obviously makes some fantastic machines but I'm with you 100% on their wires, just not my first choice either. Vulcan, Yeswelder, and Hynade, I've never used so I can't comment. Forney however, absolutely my go to brand of wire throughout their entire line. They've never let me down,
Really a good, straight-up comparison, Mike, thank you. I'll be procuring that Hynade welder for my nephews b-day, based entirely upon your review.
As someone who is just getting into welding (starting with a Titanium 125 Flux welder from HFT) I thank you VERY much! I'll order some of the Yeswelder to learn with. Thank you again! +1 Sub!
Great video. I also love the Forney wire as it does run really smooth. The Lincoln wore is a little different as it is the 71T-11 instead of the GS wires like the others. It is the only one rated for multiple pass welds.
I’m 100% a novice to welding. Have a craftsman 140amp gas less I have used for years making ugly welds. Never thought it could be the wire hampering me. Always figured it was just me. Going to give some different wire a chance to help me improve next time I need to put down a bead. Thanks for the info. Great video. 👍
Mike, You are the architect of my welding education! Thanks for all the comparison videos and instruction. they are appreciated greatly. Keep it up! (I also enjoy watching the "going out to have fun" videos)
Right on! I really appreciate it Gregory 🙂👍
Hey Mike,
I got the Hynade 155 today. That's a fine machine. I like the synergic mode. Works nice. Nice clean weld with the included .030 flux wire. I like it. I also tore into the Yeswelder flux 135 and found found a cold solder joint on the inverter board. Works great now, so that issue is over with. But now I have 3 flux core welders: Titanium 125, Yeswelder 135 and the new Hynade 155D. My shop is starting to look like a welding supply store, lol. I'll email Yeswelder Monday and tell them to close the ticket. I'm going to donate the Titanium to one of my neighbors. Like you say..pay it forward.
Take care and thanks.
I’m glad you got the Hynade and like it!
I’m also glad you found the problem on the Yeswelder, it is a bummer you even had to take it apart to fix a brand new welder. I did send a message to Yeswelder the on Friday with your order # and problem, I told them they need to make it right with you and I mentioned I’m extremely disappointed in Yeswelder for not promptly taking care of your problem.
I would hope they contact you come Monday. If you hear back from them I would be interested to hear what they say? I haven’t had any problems with there products so far but hearing they didn’t take care of your problem makes me question how much more I want to work with that company.
Paying it forward is awesome Timothy! I think your friend will be really happy 😊
@@Mikefestiva Yeah, it works great...nice beead using the .030 wire that was included. Ana@yeswelder was going to ship me a replacement welder and told me to keep the other one. I replied that she can skip that since I repaired the one I have. Overall, it turned out OK. I would still buy their products, but they need to revamp their warranty process.
Thank you for this video. I had the very opposite experience: the wire spool supplied with the welding machine was really bad. As a newbie I had a hard time starting the job. I was trying multiple Amps, Wire speed, welding position...until the spool had to be replaced. The second spool (separately bought in the same place /brand) was so much easier to use... and I did not think even better may be available by changing wire brand / type. But now, I understand a little better and will probably experience with more wire types.
I just ordered Forney. Thank You!! I'm finally at my welding level where I'm worried about the wire. I'm welding on a Vulcan MigMax 215. Solid. Never hit duty cycle.
When I started welding, using a flux core wire, I didn't know diddly. All I knew is that I couldn't see anything. I spent a lot of time trying different things to see the puddle. I used the wire that came with the machine until I got tired of dealing with the rats nest ( I told you I was a beginner). After a long time I finally changed wire. Now I can see. It was smoke. The original wire produced copious amounts of SMOKE.
I’m curious what wire you’ve used that didn’t seem to create as much smoke?
This was a great video on something I always took for granted. I’ll definitely try some different wire once the spool I currently have is gone. And the best part of it is your setup and technique tricks - “If it’s got slag, you drag” and your thought to increase the stick out when welding with flux core wire. Your videos are always well worth watching, Mike! Thanks again!
Thanks Todd!
Try using a fan where you are welding.
I've found out. The flux core wire welds better in the wind.
Blow the smoke out. You can see better. Less splatter and better welds.
I found that out one time I was welding. Run out of gas. On a Saturday. No gas store was open.
I had some flux core. Loaded it up. Spit spattered couldn't see very well.
Opened up my shop doors. Pretty Wind that day. As I was welding. Gusts of wind blew in the shop. I could see well. Hardly any splatter, and it just brushed off. The wind would stop. I couldn't see again and the spit and spattered. The ones I did before the wind. I had to grind off. So now I use a fan. Does great! When you get just enough air to blow the smoke away. I used a box fan at first. I had to turn it at an angle. Now I have a small fan with 3 settings.
The lowest setting is great. Welds are really close to using gas.
Try it sometime!
THANK YOU! I need all I can get, new to MIG, not stick.
Nice job on doing this comparison. I am about to pull the trigger on a flux core as my first welder. Very informative.
Appreciate it Tom
yeah I just tested out my new flux welder today, and I got the flux wire Vulcan from harbor freight (think I should start looking online for that Forney wire) ... your'e NOT kidding about slowing down! I have never used a flux welder in my 42 years on earth, never even knew there was mig welders without tanks till a few days ago haha "I'm old" but my son's truck is rotting, and I gotta figure out how to use this thing to save his truck! Gotta make good use of my mothers day present, and get the fender on this Chevy fixed
I've been using the Yeswelder wire for a little over a year now and have been very happy with it. Was running the readily available Vulcan before that and was not impressed with it. Thanks for the video
I know it's not dual voltage. But, the titanium 125 Flux core welder is a great machine as well. In my opinion. Will try the Forney wire as well. Thanks for the video on the different wire. Very helpful.
Yesterday I got a HF email saying the Titanium 125 was on sale so I went to check it out and I saw a friendly face in the customer video section, I said hey that's Mike Festiva. I had already watched your unboxing and review video for that welder but I decided I could use some more good common sense information in my night and I saw this new video. I'll be watching for that Hynade welder review but I think this video was enough to sell me on it thank you very much Michael.
ha ha thanks Robert 👍
Thank you so much for your video I just bought a Titanium 125 and haven't even bought wire yet so it really helps out. Thanks again.
That titanium 125 is a great little welder! You will like it 👍
Awesome tips on flux core and gas. I never figured out why when I switched to gas my welds went to crap. Thank you so much!
Thanks for watching William
Also remember to flip your pos/ground wires inside. My Lincoln has instructions inside that show this, if you don't flip it, your welds will be worse
I'll try some Forney wire...$16.99 on Amazon. My cheap Harbor Freight 170 flux core welder gets similar results using the Vulcan...never tried anything else. Thanks.
Thanks for posting. I'm a newbie welder and learning on a Titanium 125. I've watched some of your other videos about the 125 and also very insightful. I did notice quite a bit of splatter from this versus welding on a MIG machine with gas. I knew there would be splatter with the Flux core wire but seeing this video gives me a little hope that my welds with my little machine can be a bit cleaner. the wire that came with the 125 and it splatters quite a bit! Might also have to do with my inexperience. 😄 I build furniture and have been wanting to add metal work to the things I make. I just realized metal is a whole different, deep rabbit hole, just like woodworking! Love learning new things and glad I came across your channel! 😄☺ Keep up the great and informative work. Only helping me to get better!! Cheers!
Welded for many years all types of welding and when using the flux core tried other name brands but Always go back to the Lincoln wire. Every one is a little different but all will hold. You done a real good job welding. Thanks
Thanks man I really appreciate it 😊👍
Great timing on this video, I bought a cheapo flux welder like 5yrs ago and finally have my garage cleaned up enough to bust it out and practice, thanks for the tips and I think I’m gonna order some Forney wire… great videos always
Awesome thanks Levi 👍
Hey Mike, watched your video a few days ago, then ran out of wire. Tried the Hynade wire, what a difference the wire made. Thanks for the videos!!
Very informative.
I've compared wires years ago and Forney had best results, plus Forney 140 amp Mig welder also accepts 2 or 10lb rolls bought on Amazon has worked over 5 yrs without any issues.
Good video.
Thanks for watching Allyn!
Watched this video before, but just noticed something this time that I didn't pick up on before. The Lincoln NR211 is the only wire of the five you tested, that is specified for single or multi-pass welds. The other four were all single pass only wires. Perhaps that might account for it being the most expensive?... Anyway, it is another consideration when looking at these wires.
I’ve been a pipe welder for 55 years I have to re-with you on your right choice. I have never used flux core Meg wire. I’ve used stainless steel flux core stick rod with flux inside and out side with a tig root and hot pass it passed X-ray and surprisingly made a really slick cover pass. That was on a nuclear powerhouse in Arizona late 70s . My question is how does it run in the overhead position? I have a Lincoln Meg welder where i used for small little jobs with gas shield and it runs good Nice video very informative
I found a few tips that would be very handy to know, Thank You for spending the extra money on the different wires so that we wouldn't have too. I purchased a 2 lb. spool flux cored wire from Tractor Supply for 9.98 regular price and it ran great with hardly any BB's. A week before I got a spool from HF ran really badly @ 14.99. Go figure.
I went and bought that same welder you used in the video and the yes welder wire and it works amazing even on 110. Works better then my Lincoln. Thanks for the tips. Love your videos.
Right on 👍 I’m glad you are happy with it 😊 thanks Scott!
I've used the Harbor Freight Vulcan and Hobart from Tractor Supply, for much the same reason that Mike used the Vulcan and Lincoln...it's what was close by and available. The Hobart always edged out the Vulcan, but not by much. I decided to try the WeldingCity wire because I read a good review and there was a really good deal (5 two pound rolls for $50.) It welds much better than the other two, with minimal, fine ball spatter, similar to the better wires in this video. All the wire I'm mentioning here was E71T-11 or GS in 2lb spools. The Hobart and Vulcan were just shrink wrapped, the WeldingCity comes in foil pouches. If you are an infrequent welder like me, running 2lb foil wrapped rolls no worries about a 10lb roll soaking up moisture and rusting away from disuse.
Thanks Mike!! I stumbled over this video literally the night before I ran out of my last roll of Lincoln flux core wire in my Hobart Handler 180 230 volt. Based on what Mike had demonstrated, I decided to try out a roll of Forney 0.030" FC wire on a project with 1/8" mild steel. Long story short - WOW what an improvement! I'm by no means a professional welder so take this with a grain of salt, but the Forney wire way outperformed the Lincoln wire - it simply made better-looking, more consistent welds, with way less spatter.
I'll try the other two brands after I run out of the Forney, but I don't think that I'll ever return to the Lincoln wire.
Thanks.
Mike!!---Nice comparison video!
Now store those spools in the cabinet for a couple months and test them again to see how well they keep. It might be very interesting for the average hobby welder that sometimes goes a while between projects.
The YesWelder wire can be purchased around $3.50/lb on 10lb rolls----great value!
P.S. avoid Kiswell
Now that's how you do an informative video. I have been using the Lincoln primarily. I've been wanting something better. I'll be buying the Forney. Thank you. I an need an inexpensive dual voltage machine. I'll also be picking up one of those. To all TH-camrs. This is how you present a video.
granted I ended up paying like 25 for the 2lb spool but I lik supporting local business
thank you...i had seen another video doing about what you had done with different flux cored...and lincoln...forney looks to be really the winner and easily available now....
Don't do much welding. I learned to stick weld 40 yrs ago and was decent at it. This wire welding is totally new and I'm just trying to make it stick. I wish I had seen this before I bought another HF 125. Oh well. Great info video and I will be trying some of the 3 suggested wire. Thanks Mike.
I have a snap on mig 110 and out of all the flux core wires I have used I am really happy with the blue demon wire
I have had a lot of people mentioning this, I was going to test out the Blue Demon but I had over $100 in flux wire ordered in my cart so I ended up putting the Blue Demon wire back. Thanks for sharing your wire recommendations Adam 🙂👍
@@Mikefestiva your welcome
Weird algorithm moment. Ran out of wire at work and boss had to run to home depot. I use the Lincoln wire because it was way better than welding store's wire but now I want this Forney stuff, I think it would help even more filling in rust holes on converters.
Hobart left out. I have 140 Hobart handler. I like it great video.
Unfortunately I could only justify spending so much of my money on this free content, I spent over $100 on wire and $150 on the welder, I would have liked to try other wire but it’s a lot to spend to make a free video.
Thanks Paul for checking out my new video 🙂👍
@@Mikefestiva yeah I definitely understand I not doing lot of different things that use up lot of consumables not only welding a lot different thing’s. Heck who can afford it and when u do get little extra coins 🪙
Saved if u want to call them extra. Lol ur always out of gas ⛽️ now so. Oh no how can we have any pudding if we don’t have any meat 🥩 how can we add any meat 🍖 if we don’t have any gas ⛽️. Lol. I guess kick on some Floyd and watch ur videos. Oh by the way which ones PINK. lol later oh buddy. Stay safe.
Just looked up that welder and it came up $239. 11 days after this video came out.
It sounds like a pretty amazing machine if all it's functions actually work. Might still be worth the extra hundred bucks.
I used to weld professionally and my company had nice, powerful equipment. Now I'm a hobbyist trying to recover from being spoiled and find a good, usable machine for all around welding.
Thanks for the video!
take about 10 loops off each spool and lay it flat on a table then cut all the loops in the same spot, if one end lifts off the table more than 2" or 3" it has a bad twist in it and that will effect how it runs through the welder and how it effects your bead, I worked at the Lincoln plant that makes that wire
Interesting test Jim 👍
Good to know! Backwards reels always drove me nuts.
Interesting, thanks. I use the INE flux core welding wire AWS E71T-GS. It's very easy to use for great looking welds.
Great idea to test! Antispatter spray has changed my world when it comes to Flux core welding. I will be getting some Forney to try.
New Becoming welder here.... Looking to weld some decorating frames together! Thank you my man on the video. You pointed me in the right direction when it comes to products and welding of choice. You gave a very concise comparison presentation Mike!!!
Thanks for checking out my videos 😊
Here’s an older video I made but it will probably be helpful for you especially when starting out. How to weld, Tips for Beginners
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I used up the spool that came with my hf 125 titanium. This is what i learned with. After my first weld with Fornay, i wish i bought earlier, way better. Spatter spray is great too. Now that my powerfile is broken, i realize how much i use it for metal. 3M cubitron 2, 60 grit, is the best ($2.50 /belt) is the best money i ever spent.
I had a flux core welder several years ago and got great results with Hobart wire. It was far superior over the wire that came with the machine from Harbor Freight.
Bought my first welder and laid my first beads today! Boy were they pretty rough lol. They make it look so easy, so you don't really understand how tricky it is until you're under the hood. But I'm definitely hooked!
Try putting a high power light source like a halogen near the object. It lets you see nicely what you are doing until you get used to things. It also helps seeing the puddle and tip better.
One thing to note is that the Lincoln flux-core is the only wire tested that is approved for multi-pass welding ('-11 type'). The other wires are '-GS type' and are only approved for single-pass welding. Hobart also has '-11 type' flux core wire.
@@origin0000 I think it's *better welders* that create better welds. Flux core has better penetration than MIG and avoids the initial costs of a bottle and gas. Getting a MIG machine allows one to start welding with flux core and wait until needs change and/or funds accumulate before starting MIG welding.
YES. BUT WHAT IF they (LincolnElectric) only paid a huge amount of cash just to get that paper certificate, and it possibly is just that: A nice beautiful paper certificate to be framed and hung on the wall ???
Look, since the FASHION of the costly "Certify-Everything", many ready to become bankrupt Classification Societies, like Lloyd's of London, Germanische-Lloyd's, Bureau-Veritas, DNV-Det Norske Veritas, or TÜV transformed their business of Classifying marine vessels and large petroleum installations into a much more profitable "Crazy Certifying Everything"... but their precious Certifications mean little in reality, like all the ISO-9000, 14000 or whatever-thousands costly trends. Until some sensible people (like "Project-Farm") proceeds to actually testing if the Lincoln E-71T-11 to reveal IF it is truly "better" at multi-pass, away from any large government organism, as we could very well be paying double for an almost meaningless paper certificate!
I recently bought some Vulcan FluxCore because I needed some in a pinch. Welds OK but I think the alloy is soft. It is easier to dent with a hammer than the Hobart wire I've used before.
I got a small buzz box do to the fact of digging out the big one. I used the. Lincoln wire. Since It was the fasted to find local . The wire was a night and day difference. Even though both of them was purchased at the same time. I will buy some of the forney wire since I have the welder and you recommend it. 😊.
The best video for a beginner yet. Thx.
I've been using Forney for years but on a couple occasions I have used the HF wire for the same reason as you, it was readily available and couldn't find Forney wire locally anymore. I will mention one fact that i didn't hear you mention, out of all the wires in your test group, the Lincoln is the only wire rated for multi-pass, what the means your guess is as good as mine because i have made multiple pass welds with Forney wire on many occasions without and problems but then again i always use a wire wheel to clean the welds between passes. i just thought i'd mention that fact so that maybe if someone has knowledge about the milti-pass thing they can share it with us.....
As a farm welder/ grinder, I've always taken responsibility for my poor welds. I'll try the Forney and see if it does improve my welds.
Thank You for the insight.
Hoka Hey
In total agreement with others to cut and inspect. Subscribers come and go like the wind. Do the videos that you want as well as how you want and you will find loyal folks wanting to learn and we will pass it on. And I just subscribed.
Thank You
So glad you made this video. Been using Vulcan since I’ve had a mig welder. Never really thought it welded good. But good enough. So I bought some Lincoln flux core and thought it welded the exact same so I was under the assumption it was me or the machine. My next wire is Forney. If that welds bad I guess I can chop it down to my skills. Lol thanks again Mike.
GREAT informative video! Rookie welder. Even though the video was about wire choice I learned that you should always pull your welds.
Semi true depending on what and where it is. Heat, Travel direction, angle, speed are your most important things to consider
Like a librarian, i fell in love with the Fourney even before she got cleaned up! No more lincoln for me! I just thought I was a halfass welder after so many years away.
I've ran both and I like the Lincoln better.
I've tried Hobart, Blue Demon, Vulcan, and Forney.
I have had good results with all of them, but the Blue Demon is not only made in America, but it is by far less expensive than the other brands, so that is what I order online.
I do have a 10lb roll of Lincoln that I bought locally, but have not ran it yet.
My welder is a Hobart 210mvp.
Same here,Blue Demon,all the way !
Wow. The results speak for their selves.
Great video Mike,
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 👍
Hey Mike! Thanks for the tips and I hope you're having a great weekend.
I bought my first welder, a really cheap flux core welder a few months ago and made a snow plow from an old oil drum for my lawn tractor. Turned out really good actually. A lot of this interest and curiosity in making things is actually from your awesome build videos which I appreciate a lot, so thanks for that!
Hi. Really liked this video. There was much more to learn as you went along. I'm new to flux and needed to know I've been using lousy flux core (Vulcan). I now know what to look for.
I wish you had done this on 110 volts to know if the performance is the same. I wouldn't be surprised if you got different results at different voltage.
Thanks.
Good as always Mike. Saved me some time. My local hardware store carries Forney.
I'm just learning MIG and TIG so your videos are very helpful and to the point. Keep
up the good work. It takes time to make and edit the videos so thanks for your
time and effort my friend it is appreciated.
Love the video... next video suggestion. since you have all the wire and a dual voltage machine, do the same tests but at 110v. Many of us don't have 220v and are into flux core because of all the 110v options available for it.
Thank you in advance.
I have a forney 110 flux core welder and it runs the forney wire he's using awesome. I use it for small projects around the house instead of dragging out the leads on my welding truck. I have over 30 years welding in the oil,gas,and aerospace industries and I love that little machine. It makes small jobs on thinner metals a breeze. Not the best choice for something you want to show off your craftsmanship on but,if decent looking and strong welds is what your after it's awesome. Hope this helps.
I would very much appreciate a stress test for each product,THANKS!!!
@@claudegosselin2449 put .30 flux core destructive test in the search bar. There are several channels that have done it on the single and multipass wires. Sometimes videos will show up on a Google search that don't show up on a TH-cam search so try Google first 👍. Bend tests and etching are both done on most of them. The forney wire is usually in the top two on the single pass wires depending on the machine used,some like different wires better,hopefully you'll find one with your machine and can find out what it digests best.
I have an ancient Forney stick welder. I love that 500 lb tank. I like their welding wire. I never cared for Lincoln wire, it always seemed to run odd to me.
Thank you.
I just welded up a bumper kit with Vulcan (bought it with my little green welder from the same store), and the beads are good, but good lord the splatter. Glad to know that it isn't me, and I will be buying some Forney to keep on hand. 30 and 35
Anti spatter spray is a life saver for inner shield flux core
@@averycintura9118 I've been using spray Pam, which was suggested long ago.
Always very informative Mike. I really like your videos.
Any good weld you made is good for me. I dont know how to weld but im learning. Good video.
This should win an award for "How to Make a Good Welding Video."