How to use a Tile Leveling System for Walls
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- Install tile with a tile leveling system on walls the right way.
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Hey bud I just did a job 8in x 4ft tile. I used spin doctor for the first time. Up to the grouting stage I was happy. But i knocked the stems out the next day on half the job and on the third day grouted and found that the spin doctors were forcing the tile under pressure and ends began popping up. I troweld and back buttered and never thought this would happen. The company set the job to install over a ardexed plywood that previously had smaller tile.
Any idea why this happened and how to prevent it...
@@jesussavedrjm6818 ... What do you mean by saying the ends popped up?
@@kylelove927 it lost its bond cause the tile was under pressure down to be level
@@kylelove927 the ends of the tile popped up in s few places
That link leads to a completely different tile levelling system which works on a wholly different principle.
Been a residential remodeler for over a decade. First used these 6 months ago on a large job for my new business. I'll never install large format tile again without these. Made the 24"x24" tiles go down completely flat and level. You can slide a 5 gallon bucket 30 feet across the tile without it catching a lip. Truly amazing. Saves so much time.
I'm familiar with getting cement to the correct consistency as I've been a mason for too long. A question I'm trying to cut a corner and removing my tub. Just having the space now a shower with 17" square tiles. Have a marine plywood floor. Before I put down the top bed ready to tile, could I use a wall board cut to size and screw it down like crazy instead of doing it by hand? Then put the 40 mil plastic down and then trowel it as it should be for the tile?
@@HellNoKamala im so confused by the question can you clarify more?
@@Titantitan001 I just did it the right way and just troweled it to slope to the drain and it does drain the water. I didn't want to make a mistake. Any flexing could cause a leak if I put wall cement board on the floor.
Thanks Mate. Watching your video helped solve my issue with removing the wedge clips with my first Tile project in my bathroom. Thanks also to everyone who made their positive comments and input because i learnt a lot more just feeding on your feedbacks.
These are awesome instructional videos. Minimal talk, clear explanation of the content and easy to watch in one sitting. Thanks for all you do!
Hello mate, Pro Tiler from England here. Just a little tip. Tile lippage clips help on near enough flat walls and floors, but some DIYers might watch this and use these on bumpy surfaces which is when problems occur, as the clips either raise up the previous low tile or bring down a raised tile, creating air sockets underneath. All you need to do is knock on the tile and you will hear the hollow points. Also dont knock the clips out with a rubber mallet especially on a lighter ceramic tile as the mallet can leave black marks which are a pain to clean off. Polished porcelain you might get away with but just a tip. Good luck mate wish you all the best 👍
Interesting to hear from a professional! Do you use a levelling system yourself? And why do you/do you not use it? Just being curious :D
@@mart9585 I’ve been tiling 11 years. I only use self leveling clips for anything larger than 12x24 because it helps to keep the tile plum and level. The cons to using it are if the wall isn’t plumb or flat than it will cause voids in the thinset behind the tile and causing the tile not to adhere properly.
Awesome point . Level or grind the high spots first . Good on ya
@@AllBayEveryDay The clips don't cause that the poor substrate does.
I use spin doctors exclusively and they are killer,you forgot to mention using a cap to run between tiles to check lippage and break a post of the base is ideal for cleaning grout lines.and one should always especially LFT use a rubber mallet and smack each tile a bunch from center out to release air it’s unreal how much is trapped great videos non the less,thank you!!
Having done tile for several years now on my own projects and projects for friends and family, Ive always used the wedge system, never the spindal, but plan on trying the spindal for my shower remodel coming soon! Awesome to see how the mud adheres with each system via the clear tiles. Awesome stuff brother! Appreciate it!
This is the 2nd video I've seen on the Rigid leveling clips....I'm glad that they've started to give us a break on doing ceramic, glass or stone walls and get them smooth.
The sky is the limit with this channel. You know ur stuff dude 👍🏻
Thank you sir! 👊
A lot of work to help your fellow man, thank you.
Thank you sir, appreciate the kind comment 👊
This is the first I’ve heard of these systems. Holy crap! Game changer here. I’m not up on the latest for sure, I’ll be loading up on these! Excellent demonstration, thanks!
I've also used a box of wooden matches these last decades at a cost of 50c/p for the whole job :)
Subscribed. I watched several of your videos. Love the way you cut to the chase. No bullshit. All killer, no filler.
I like the background music. Makes this video different then most tile videos
I can’t explain how important it is to back butter the tiles when installing tiles on any surface. Also, u definitely wants move the tile side to side too release all the air from under the tile before moving onto the next tile. I can’t tell you how many tiles I repair because of a simple step not taken.
Completely agree.
Thank you for your wisdom and knowledge 👊🏽💯
But you just explained it?
Damn right!!
The thinset he used was dry and not that wet. No need to back butter if you mix your thinset correctly
Excellent video. You made the process as clear as the glass tiles you installed. Thank you.
Thanks! Appreciate the comment and view 👊
Finally! A straight to the point video with great visuals! Thanks for sharing this!!
I learned something new. Will be applying it to my bathroom renovation project. Thank you.
Thank you, you are very talented.
Very professional demostration. Thanks for take your time using glass instead tile. I’m your new fan.
Thanks so much! 😊
Really appreciate you demonstrating the use both systems. Thanks!!
Only tiles greater than 450mm is recommended to be back buttered in my XP.
On the other hand the metric system is so much better! More precise!
This was so helpful as I never understood how to use the wedges and spindles. Thanks for demonstrating esp with glass tiles
Nice ,simple mock up....people that don't know how to set should be thanking you for this....Im glad I charge 10 $ a sq ft because I hate setting tile.
Thanks buddy! 👊
Great vid, showing usage
Nice demo, using glass sure makes it easier to grasp the concept..good job 👍
Thanks! It was a tricky demo and the glass definitely gives you a closer look with a leveling system 👊
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is that bob doyle lol 🤣🤣 smh
I agree. I just did my first shower tile job with LFT and bought both these systems but didn't end up using them because I wanted a 3/8" grout line and I never saw this demo. Great video, I will keep these kits for the next job..
With the glass demonstration it also shows that you can remove the systems without causing damage to the tile. I figured that glass would crack.
Great demonstration, 2 thumbs up.
nice loud and clear
Great video well explained.
Very well presented. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That’s a brilliant video well thought out with clear instructions. Thank you from the UK 🇬🇧
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You bet!
Outstanding!! Never thought these were necessary.. But will use on my bathroom.
Please don't
Watching from the Philippines ..thanks a lot for the nice idea!
Wow that was awesome! I almost feel like I can actually do this myself! I subbed and like
I've used the spindle type on floors. Its outstanding
I just use a short piece of batten placed across the tiles as I go, to check for height discrepancies. That's the old school method, add or remove adhesive if necessary.
Impressively and simple demonstration. Answered my question
Thanks so much, especially for the tip about removing some of the mortar next to the next tile to be installed. Very helpful video.
Nice demo. but for those who don't know...you have to move the tile slideway's, the thinset will spread and so you can have a better bonding coverage.
Yes sir, this was for demonstration purposes only. Thanks for watching!
awesome set up with the mock build and display with glass tiles thank you
Thank man. I am about to start tiling a wall, greate information.
Quality video. Using glass also shows the % of adhesive holding the tiles
@@l.k.3277 I'll write something less lame. He doesn't have the proper amount of adhesion if you look at the glass. He could of at least fooled the viewing public if he just used a tile product that you couldn't see through.
@@lostinmyspace4910 He doesnt have the proper adhesion because he laid the tile incorrectly. He should have rocked the tile back and forth perpendicular to the trowel lines to smooth it out and get as close to 100% contact as possible.
I like to save the used clips as a spacer on the end.
i do the same
Even though it wasn't your topic, using glass to show how thinset reacts to tile is ingenious!! Why hasn't someone shown this before?
One of the best tile demonstrations I have seen yet, especially for a short video.
This video is 8 minutes too long
I would have liked to get your opinion on which you like more and why, or at least do pros and cons of the two. I’ve heard a lot of people talking trash about the wedges but at the same time most people use them. Makes me think there’s some technique involved and you make it look easy. When you do this all day everyday you tend to overlook the subtle things that make or break a project.
We like the wedges. They are the most versatile for sure.
@@LandbergTileTV And you sell (or receive an Amazon commission) for the wedges, and not for Spin Doctor products.
Not getting very good tile coverage should slide the tile back and forth slightly to let the air out I’d say your only getting around 40% coverage even if you back butter still need that side to side movement opposite of your mudd lines
Didn't you listen to what he said man ? What a stupid fk. It was for show on the leveling system . geesh no wonder its so easy for the Russians to persuade stupid people.
Very good job
Fantastic demonstration!!! Thanks a lot~~~
Happy you liked it! 👊
Absolutely and won't ever fight the big tile issues again thanks you!
Loved the closeup at 7:04
Ha! Happy you noticed the small editing close up clip! 👍
you're a good man
Good job, go ahead.
Thank you. great video.
Glad you liked it!
Should have use those in my bathroom project 😫
I am so happy that I paid attention in class when it comes to tiling and being in the tile business for 20 years and only being 37 years old thank God I don't have to waste unnecessary time with those stupid self leveling spacers and clips firm up and level my wall out and use the right trial for the job they won't show you what happens when you tear the tile down and have to replace the backer board and there is a huge difference from one side to the other lol nice video though for people that are in tile business that have been in the tile business if you went backwards and started using this method get out of the tile business the old way was never broken so don't fix it maybe it's the tile installer you're hiring just saying this also goes for floor tile as well way too many other methods out there putting all these spacers in one area would drive me absolutely nuts so much better way to do it
Ever hear of punctuation? Run on sentences? These leveling systems are far superior to old school installers, who refuse to get with the times. Things change and improve over time.
"Lippage" my new favorite term.
lol
Nice demo. Super clear instructions and is sure to come in handy in my upcoming renovations! Thanks for creating the content.
thank YOU for the watch and comment. 👊
I wish you had shown us how you remove the plastic from the grout lines that DIDNT break off cleanly. Those drive me nuts.
For me it works better to tighten the vertical wedges first, tiles won't slide around as much when doing the horizontal ones. Nice vid though.
verticals move too
so far I have to see anyone using these on a brick pattern layout, obviously sides by side they can work but how about any other pattern!?! Also before grouting how do u get the shims out or they will poke thru the grout
I agree, this was a great demonstration.
Thanks!!
You're welcome, thanks for watching and the cool comment! 👊
Great demonstration thanks 🙏
I love all of the comments saying, “that’s not the way I learned so it’s wrong.” I’ve been in the tile industry for 14 years and have seen many technological advancements in that short time. Old dogs, new tricks etc...
Yes sir, you are absolutely correct! 👊👊👊 thanks for watching and the comment
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. Great stuff.
Wow. Awesome demonstration!
Glad you liked it!
I started wearing my sunglasses inside and my skills improved dramatically.
lol I know...
great video! The glass tiles are a great idea to teach us how to install tiles in a proper way :) The rigid system looks to be a pain if you have a large amount of tile to install. Getting screwed to unscrew :D
Yes sir, I was hoping for a glance inside with the glass, and a wedge system is much easier to gather after they are knocked off. Thanks for the watch and comment 💯
Good video. The sound level of the music in background was perfect; not too loud. It would’ve been nice if you’d done a little “B” roll footage, showing the close-up detail of each of the clips. Nice job!
thank you sir! Adding b roll into the tile video's more and more now...thanks for the watch
Great straight-forward demo and illustration on using leveling clips! Thank you!
Very very nice 👍💞
A very clear presentation how it works. Thank you !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you!
Thanks so much this information has helped me greatly as I have several projects coming up.
You're welcome! Thanks for the kind words 👊
Cleaaan 👍🏽👍🏽 nice video
I thought the Rigid ones go at the cross section of the tiles leaving less clips needed. That is why the spindle is so large. This cuts down the amount of time placing them and cost of the of the clips you need to buy.
Great video. Clear glass was a great idea for visual.
Thanks!
Thank you for this informative video. I am doing a shower with 1/2"x23x47 tile. Pretty thick tile. What size clip should I use for these large tiles as it will be 1/2" tile and 1/2" thin set ? Thank you.
Great video man, thank you for the demo. Now I am confident in remodeling my bathroom.
Glad I could help
Very informative thank you so much I learned something today
Very helpful video. Thank you SO MUCH!!!
Ace video dude
Removing excess mortar closes it off from releasing the air. Probbly why tile isn't making good contact
Yes, plus he said he wasn't butterbacking them just to show it more clearly.
I think after wiping the excess off from the previous tile's edge, he should trowel it one more time upwards there.
Great videos all the times with lots of positive energy, thank you very much.
Amazing!
The glass really shows how important back buttering tiles is with a leveling system
True! keep in mind, thinset mortar also sticks better to stone, ceramic and porcelain than it does to glass 👊
Nope glass shows you need bigger notch for trowel back buttering tiles is just slow and stupid way to add more thinset.
Yes, you are correct. Always use a half inch trowel for large format with a tile leveling system, I didn't have one at this time of demo. Also, back buttering large format is always a must and helps tremendously.
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Very professional and time saving system !
Thanks!! Informative video!
What do you do about the little pieces of plastic that remain in the grout line -- like the piece that is real obvious at 9:17? Using a chisel to remove it seems a bit dangerous to the tile. How do you do it? Maybe just a razor knife?
By the way, so nice of you to do this. You clearly spent time and money to make this for us. My thanks to you.
The plastic pieces remain in and under the grout line. They are low enough that the grout line can accept the grout. You should definitely try these systems if you install tile!
Also, thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them and thanks for watching!
I agree there are obvious pieces that are above the grout line. This would show once grouted. I like the system but would be better if the clips had a weak point built into then when manufactured to ensure they break at the same point consistently which was obvious you were not getting. These systems are not used here in the UK if they were I’d definitely give them a go 👍🏻
The "obvious pieces" that you see is thinset mortar squishing through the grout line. Also, the clips do have a weak point that allows you to knock them out. These systems definitely work and make your life easy when installing.
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David and Oliver you guys are correct as many of these break above or flush with the tile surface as is obvious in this video where I count at least 4 that will not allow grout to be smooth. I use these everyday as well and after I bust them off with a mallet I inspect to see whats what and Ill either cut the rest out with a Ulfa knife or use a multi tool with the drywall cutting blade on it and cut the remainder of the clip out.
well, I like the way these things seem to work even though I have never used them myself over the 35 years that I have been doing construction, but, the real problem is what the wall is doing behind the tile. Walls are never straight... so,you can use these levelers till the end of time but it will not really work with a wall that is not flat..It will follow the wall basically..And I know you will come up with reasons to prove me wrong...But since I have not used this system,I don't really know for sure what will happen...Next job,I will try it though
Give em a shot buddy!
i will, thanks for the reply.. are the ones at home depot any good? if not, what do you recommend?
Yup, Home depot sells QEP and they work. Make sure to purchase the pliers as well 👊
Your air channels need to be collapsed more: you need to move your tile left to right more in order to push all the air out of the grooves. Essentially, you need to move the tile about 1.5 x the width of the groove. so in this case, it needed to be moved at least 3/8" from left to right, several times, to ensure all the air has been pushed out.
It's better to use the 1/2" notched trowel like he said. Back buttering isn't necessary and is a waste of time in my opinion. But you need to use the right trowel. Definitely need to move it side to side. To check it I tap it with a screwdriver handle. You can hear the difference between hollow and solid. If you check for coverage after back buttering by removing the tile it may be deceiving.
@@RollingThunder808 You ALWAYS backbutter large format tiles: only way you know for sure you have good adhesion. The width of the notch increases with the length of the air channels created by the trowel. This is to allow the air to escape when you're seating the tile.
Watch this video where they did side by side tests: bF2SgLBF6qI (not sure how to share links, but do a TH-cam search for that)
Super-tiler to the rescue! But super-tiler doesn't comprehend verbal instructions very well. How many time does the guy have to say it? The video wasn't about mortar applications and setting tile. It was to demonstrate different tile leveling systems.
Thanks for taking the time to make that great video.
Aren't you supposed to slide the tiles perpendicular to the trowel lines and then back into position to collapse the hills/valleys and get full thinset contact?
I’m not a fan of the glass tiles! but great video and good explanation.
Thanks!
Oh man does this guy sound like Dan Aykroyd!!!!!
How to remove remaining pieces of the tile leveling system that are not completely broken out?
I UNDERSTAND this is a video comparing the two types of "lippage" systems but couldn't help but focus on the ridges of your thin set. Based on the CLEAR glass showing that the ridges of your thin set were not collapsed as desired (required) to get 95% coverage in a wet area. MAYBE as you mentioned a 1/2 x 1/2 might of given better coverage. NOT TRYING to be too critical but I think I would of waited and had the proper trowel so that your video was absolutely the best information you could of presented.
Keep in mind, I have over 250 videos on my channel.
Here is a video on trowels: th-cam.com/video/UpmIAuGlgSM/w-d-xo.html
Here are two videos on collapse ridges:
th-cam.com/video/2z5UbWawBAY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/UpmIAuGlgSM/w-d-xo.html
I do appreciate all criticism! Thanks for watching 👍
I used the spindle system they are really good, the only problem is some don't snap off properly and they are really hard to get out, I had to get a Stanley knife and cut them out it was a nightmare.
For subway tiles backslash in bathroom, what's a good-sized spacer? 1/8 or 1/16?
When you use this system does the tile that is pulled out disconnect from the adhesive 🤔
GreAt aspect bit I learned how to do tile with out that stuff we call that shit training wheels lmao but they are for first timers good luck and don’t forget to back butter