Dr. Jason Lisle: Understanding Genesis

Creation Weekend Session 4

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Great video! I love listening to Jason Lisle 😊✝️🙏

[@seedsower678]

NCIC,.....This is because you love deception. You love your false manmade religion of scientism.

[@seedsower678]

@@paulhaynes3688 ,...What is fiction, science fiction, is your 100% false manmade science fiction religion of scientism. God has blinded your evil eyes and has steeped you in darkness.
The Bible is the only truth the world has, and it is only understood by the few Jesus came to save, Gods chosen ones, his elect. To the rest, the brute beasts of the earth, the truth of God and his word the Bible is foolishness.
2 Peter 2:12
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;"
Jude 1:10
"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

[@davidgraham2673]

Jason Lisle is one of my favorite apologists.
I love listening to Chuck Missler as well.

[@axisofbeginning]

The Bible was written over a span of fifteen hundred years, by forty different authors, in three languages, on three different continents. And some authors were unaware of what was written before or what came after, forming sixty-six books of a single, God-inspired, integrated message: His perfect plan for our Salvation.

[@davidfaumuina9866]

Amen!

[@seedsower678]

@@paulhaynes3688 What is in reality superstition, fables of Godless men, and ignorance, is everything that goes against the truth of the Bible. The Bible was written by God, it has nothing to do with men, and is the only truth the world has.
You have only proven the Bible to be true by your brute beast ignorance, but are too blind to understand what you have done. But those few who have eyes to see can easily see what you have done. God has blinded you to the truths of the Bible. There is nothing you can do to be able to understand the Bible because as the Bible tells you, you are spiritually dead and cannot make yourself spiritually alive.
You were created to be a brute beast and a vessel of wrath to show those few God has made spiritually alive what they would be like without God. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!

[@SeanBeatsMapson]

⁠@@seedsower678literally bible says different to you… scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it’s definitely written by men.
Every book on earth was written by a human.

[@SeanBeatsMapson]

@@seedsower678you are very cynical… obviously the message of salvation in the bible, which is a gift to the whole world has gone over your head.

[@SeanBeatsMapson]

@@seedsower678god doesn’t blind people, people chose to be blind. Because the light of the Bible tells man who he really is and he runs from the light because his deeds are wicked.

[@jamesgordon8867]

Without His Word, we don't have civilization

[@jamesgordon8867]

Where do you think written language came from? What about days of the week? Why is gold important?
You think God is not real? Think this country would exist? Why are we devolving when the 10 Commandments and prayer were taken out of school?
Why don't you tell me why we have civilization at all?

[@jamesgordon8867]

How did our written language occur? Why did only Western Civilization cause so many changes in: medicine, education for the masses, and what about why I see God's blessings and you don't.
Why do I see how to make my blood pressure be in the normal range when docs never would suggest what I have done. I guess you think it's alright for people to kill or lie? Where does this come from? Why should I have marriage that works?

[@oksanagordon1989]

@@nickjones5435 Shred: Why don't you explain every detail of cell function? Prayer taken out & now they don't even know what a man & woman is. Did you know they still can't tell you how cells function? Why is our solar system on such a fine rotation around the sun that if off by 2 % and we don't exist! No prayer with Putin. Look at how Ukraine is treated! Credible: are you breathing? Please explain gravity! They still don't know why gravity exists! Why are our cities burning & falling apart? Where does the concept of honesty come from? Until God set limits, honesty, marriage, integrity don't matter! What matters to you? Why does that matter?
God says he gave some hearts of flesh when we are born with hearts of stone! Why do some kill & others fight for the right for babies to live? How come the masses get education? It was so everyone could read the Bible! Why is it you can read? Where does the written language come from? God gave the concept we use today of letters & construction from when God gave Moses the 10 Commandments! No cuneiform, no Hieroglyphics, no Chinese symbols!
Reseach how much faith early scientist had!
You don't want to look, it's up to you!
I need honesty, integrity, & real answers, not narrative!
What do you need?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@jamesgordon8867 I know where written language came from, and it came about long before the advent of your christian "god." The days of the week? I am glad you believe in these many gods: Tiu, Woden, Frigga, Saturn, or in Spanish Mars, Mercury, Jove, Venus. Gold? Long before god. This country exists precisely because the forefathers saw the evils of government tied to religion. And on the topic of gold, the god of the republican party; Our "devolution" is due to one thing, greed. Big corporations removed decent jobs through automation and offshoring. As livelihoods have disappeared, drug abuse, family fragmenting, violence (and no need to mention the huge financial contribution to right-wing candidates from gun manufacturers) all increased. Prayer and 10 arbitrary rules never kept us on the right track, but a sense of community and an ability to make a living and have a sense of self-worth did.

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

His Word is Truth and Full

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

@@MrWeezer55 i believe all those stories are true!

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

@@MrWeezer55 i thought it was made up until this year, but i hope things go well for yall on Earth!

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

@@MrWeezer55 not if global warming still happens!

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

@@nickjones5435 the fact that a universe even exists is proof enough...and He did speak, its called The Bible

[@jesusdisciplemsyg]

LOL.. I don't have to justify Him, i don't have to prove anything.. It's the truth, reject Him or accept Him, I am not going to convince you of anything.. Everything in the Bible happened.

[@scienceandreligionden5903]

It bothers me that the Uk and Ireland aren’t on the globe behind him 😢

[@inthebeginning...4061]

Hey there, thanks for pointing that out. Honestly, I didn't even notice. I downloaded a globe template from Etsy, projected it on the material, and just cut it out. I'll figure out a way to add them both to the design. It shouldn't be that difficult.

[@axisofbeginning]

The Bible is not a science book. However, science is undoubtedly raising the curtain on the mystery of creation.

[@marciamcgrail5889]

@ truth?giver - you really must get past your scepticism & use a bit of logic...many scholars of Hebrew & Biblical studies have spent their careers (have you?) studying what you disparagingly call 'iron age stories' and not one of them has found it to be anything but laser correct in every aspect of geology, history, archaeology, biology, public health, hygiene, societal and family issues etc that it touches on. Don't worry, many others are guilty of ill-informed, myopic elephant throwing.

[@stevepierce6467]

Science has undoubtedly raised the curtain on many previously mysterious natural phenomena. It was just one century ago (1924) that we discovered that the Milky Way is not the whole universe! So far no one has posited a conclusion of creation.

[@Armygirl4Christ]

Scientific facts were in the Bible long before man figured them out. See Ray Comfort’s book, “Scientific Facts In The Bible.” 😊

[@jamesgordon8867]

How different medicine would be if God created us would be our foundation

[@jamesgordon8867]

Sickness: you never read Genesis.
We had perfect: DNA. No sickness then.
The tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil is where sickness comes from.
You want to live thinking you are God.
Then you can deal with everything God never wanted for mankind.
He also gave grace. Work hard and maybe you can deal with sickness.
Deal with hearts of flesh and hearts of stone. Your choice.
You want choice, you got it.

[@jamesgordon8867]

Since you're such an expert: explain gravity or how 2 cells have the ability to grow into a functional human being.
Then explain fully how a cell works.
How can the human brain grow into a functional system that allows you to even have thought.

[@marciamcgrail5889]

@truth?giver - go on, let me watch while you make one cell become you lol😘

[@stevepierce6467]

@@jamesgordon8867 It's called biology. Those of us who went to school and actually paid attention learned this. Check out any basic biology book and do the homework like the rest of us. All of what you ask is fully explained. It is your personal responsibility to take the steps to becoming less ignorant. Religious arguments from ignorance do not convince anyone, and I perceive that you want to convince us of the validity of your beliefs. Wrong way to start.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@marciamcgrail5889 You need a microscope to see that very first single cell, called a zygote. But soon you have ultrasound images and from then on countless pix taken by proud parents!

[@rickallen9167]

I understand that this is important, to you, comprehensive, to you, and archaically, encompassing to you.
I also understand that "lightning" for instance, is a natural occurrence, or natural phenomena, and is an exchange of positive and negative charges.
To you, it is God's wrath.
And therein lays down the problem.
"To You" does not translate to "To all of us".
The world exists physically, ...not metaphysically.
The way in which we interact with the world, is naturally, not supernaturally.
Please do, understand all your beliefs to their fullest extent...
Just leave those of us that didn't receive that supernatural information out of it.
Thank you.

[@inthebeginning...4061]

It is interesting that you are commenting on a video posted on a public platform that you willingly watched even though you clearly knew going in that you would disagree with the content. Yet, in your comment, you asked to be left out of these kinds of conversations. So, you willingly violated your own standard while trying to impose it on others. That's not a very consistent position to take if you are trying to make a reasonable argument. Yet, you interjected your own reasoning into a discussion you claim to not be interested in, even repulsed by. At the same time, you make a few very inaccurate, borderline naive assumptions about people who hold to a Biblical Worldview. No one would believe that lightning is God's wrath; that is a childish argument that shows a severe lack of understanding of the topic at hand. The information Dr. Lisle presents is by no means archaic as he is one of the top researchers in his field, as are the rest of the hundreds of Ph.D. researchers who hold to a biblical view of origins. You should look into the "Darwin list" and see the growing number of scientists from around the world walking away from Darwinian theory. Obviously, not all promote the creation view, but many do, and the list is growing. Clearly, the material is far beyond archaic to the point that unguided, random chance views of Darwinism are becoming the archaic view of the origin question as science grows in its understanding of the insurmountable level of complexity of life. While I appreciate your "approval" of allowing those who believe to explore their faith to its fullest extent while leaving others out of it, it is demonstrably clear that you have no desire to hold yourself to that standard; otherwise, you would have simply scrolled past the video. At the same time, neither do we. We will preach the message of the Gospel to any and all who will listen, using every available platform, including TH-cam, for as long as they are available. We do this because the message is too important not to. The difference is that we are also more than happy to dialogue with those who disagree. To spend time looking at the questions of life, meaning, morality, and death without the need to belittle and berate those who hold different views. In that light, do you have a logical or scientific question or objection from the video that we can discuss?

[@rickallen9167]

@@inthebeginning...4061 It is interesting that you are commenting on my comment by disagreeing that my comment is valid on the grounds of content.
At no stage did I ask to be left out of the conversation, but merely the preferred conclusion arrived at by those of choice without evidence.
So, no, I did not violate anything nor did I impose anything.
I do not care if others follow critical thinking or not, or follow agnosticism nor atheism, it is there for those who wish to do so, just as you wish to follow Christianity.
That is my consistent position on reasonable argument, whether you accept it or are offended by it.
Again, it is the conclusion without evidence I'm interested in, not the discussion, and you Interject repulsion without my mentioning.
You say my statement about lighting is childish and severley lacks understanding...let's put that to the test shall we?
Do you believe that the earth, solar system, the milky-way and the universe was made:
1) in that order or simultaneously
2) in six days
And 3) about 6,000, years ago
I know already what you should say, but what you actually say is going to be interesting to see.

[@inthebeginning...4061]

@rickallen9167 • 21 hours ago
@inthebeginning...4061 It is interesting that you are commenting on my comment by disagreeing that my comment is valid on the grounds of content...
- I never actually said that.
"At no stage did I ask to be left out of the conversation, but merely the preferred conclusion arrived at by those of choice without evidence. So, no, I did not violate anything nor did I impose anything."
- Actually, you did say that "Just leave those of us that didn't receive that supernatural information out of it."
- If that is not what you meant, then I recommend being more specific with your language.
- Also, to ask others to leave you out of a conclusion while pushing your own is by nature to impose your views on others while exempting yourself from the same standard.
- At the same time, to claim you are asking to be "left out of a conclusion" while being part of a discussion is not a logically consistent request in any area of rational debate. To be involved in a conversation is to be subject to a conclusion that you may disagree with; whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. This is the very root of what a reasonable debate is.
- To claim that those who hold to a creation viewpoint do so by choice without evidence is not only wrong, you are also doing what you are accusing them of doing. Do you have proof (evidence) that the creation view is without evidence? I have hundreds of books in my own personal library filled with hundreds of years of observations that not only support the biblical view but contradict the evolutionary view. The hundreds of Ph.D. researchers who do hold to a view of supernatural, or design origins would disagree with you, and rightfully so. They would also note that in every area of scientific discipline, evidence is just the start: evidence must be interpreted. Interpretation will always begin in the worldview of the one reviewing it. Try Creation.com, ICR.org, or even the Discovery Institute (which is agnostic) for 10's of thousands of peer-reviewed, published articles on the subject. These papers cover every scientific discipline. Another good resource is the video "Evolutions Achilles Heel." Most of the scientists in that video were staunch evolutionists. Religion did not change their mind, the science did. So, to claim that there is no evidence is just inaccurate. It is there for those who are willing to look.
"I do not care if others follow critical thinking or not, or follow agnosticism nor atheism, it is there for those who wish to do so, just as you wish to follow Christianity. That is my consistent position on reasonable argument, whether you accept it or are offended by it."
- I would argue that your claim here is not consistent with your actions.
- The very fact that you are commenting on material that you already know you are biased against shows that you not only care but that you have a hostile bias toward those who do not have the same views that you claim to have. Otherwise, you would have asked questions to help in your understanding or simply scrolled on. You did neither; this makes your claim that this is "your consistent position on reasonable argument" to be observably false.
"Again, it is the conclusion without evidence I'm interested in, not the discussion, and you Interject repulsion without my mentioning."
- If I inferred repulsion incorrectly, then I would withdraw the comment. However, your continued comments seem to validate my assumption.
- Once again, you claim that those who hold to a view of supernatural or design sources of origins have made a conclusion without evidence, without offering any evidence for your own conclusion.
- Do you have a logical or scientific objection that you feel no evidence has been offered. I can easily supply you with ample resources from peer-reviewed, published materials for any material question you may have.
- At the same time: Has the question of abiogenesis in light of the law of biogenesis been resolved in relation to Darwin's single common ancestor claim? Has the mystery of genetic and epigenetic programming to the degree of over 90% immutable material been solved? Has the divide between the observable microevolutionary and the never-be-observed macroevolutionary processes been resolved? Has the Big Bang been replaced with a more viable theory now that the Webb Telescope has thoroughly destroyed it? Has the conundrum within the discovery of soft tissue, blood vessels, and intact genetic material in dinosaur fossils supposedly 60-100 million years old finally been reconciled?
- As much as you may want to believe that those who hold to a supernatural view of origins are the ones lacking evidence, it is simply not the case. The question is whether you are willing to honestly look at the other side of the argument or just continue to belittle it from a distance. If you are being honest when you say that the "conclusion without evidence" is what you are interested in, then you would be willing to research the opposing evidence
"You say my statement about lighting is childish and severley lacks understanding...let's put that to the test shall we?
Do you believe that the earth, solar system, the milky-way and the universe was made:1) in that order or simultaneously 2) in six days And 3) about 6,000, years ago. I know already what you should say, but what you actually say is going to be interesting to see."
- We both know that you have no actual interest in an honest dialogue here in regard to this topic. You are simply looking for an opportunity to mock and belittle. This is of no value to anyone. My position is very clear, and I make no apologies for it, as I am sure you make none for yours. Engaging in a fruitless back-and-forth is of no value to me, so I will simply decline. With that, I will step away and leave you with your views and I with mine. If you ever decide to have an honest conversation around these topics, I am always open, but arguing for the sake of arguing serves no purpose. I wish you well and that one day your eyes will be opened.

[@rickallen9167]

@@inthebeginning...4061 "It is interesting that you are commenting on a video posted on a public platform that you willing watched even though you clearly knew going in that you would disagree with the content."
And that my friend is not only an attempt at censorship, it's also one of exclusion, and arrogance(my opinion valid, yours is invalid).
So yes actually you did say that, whether you wriggle or jiggle or not.
I don't actually know if you can understand what the difference is between the epistimological or proselytising positions of faith and those that on inquiry and conclusion choose not to believe, but I'll try and assist you.
It is your duty of the church(Bishop at head lead) and your practice to convert.
Matt. 28 Verses 19 to 20
[19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.
The evolutionist or non-theist makes no claims either for, or on behalf of others.
Is that finally clear to you?
Oh yes....and by the way....
Brilliantly dodged on my question of YEC..
but predictable.

[@inthebeginning...4061]

Wow, wrong again on three counts. No, you were not censored, or excluded. I simply pointed out the obvious logical conflict in your statement. The only person claiming an opinion was invalid was you, the only arrogance on display is yours. The platform is, and remains, open to all… so wrong in point 1.
As far as you attempt to define the ministry of the gospel, epistemological proselytizing as you put it and the apparent non existence of the atheistic or evolutionary version of proselytizing. Wrong again. While the church does, without hesitation, bring the message of hope and salvation through the forgiveness of sin to any and all who are willing to listen, and on any platform available in all corners of the world. The simple fact that you are going to such effort in something as simple as this post proves how completely inaccurate your claim of neutrality is. Not to mention people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and thousands of others who regularly put out regular calls to “bring the message of scientific atheism into the world”. So wrong on point 2.
To your almost sincere question: nothing was dodged at all: if you watched the video, my position is very clear. So, wrong again… Dr Lisle did a great job laying out the argument. So I have to ask: did you even watch the video or are your comments just blindly added without any understanding or context?

[@djsarg7451]

The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).

[@inthebeginning...4061]

I'm sorry but that is the worst argument I have ever heard for long ages. Let's look at the first problem. You are claiming that Hebrews, a book written in Greek, is explaining a passage in Genesis, a book written in Hebrew, and your reasoning is that the Hebrew terms can be used in more than one way? That is terrible reasoning. At the same time, Hebrew Scholars would universally disagree with the application. While studying Ancient Biblical Hebrew at the Israeli University of Biblical Studies, I asked my professor the question of the interpretation of YOM and its applications. Not only is the application universally understood to be a day, but it is also universally understood to be a day of 24 hours. I asked the same question to Dr. James Allen, professor of Hebrew language at Dallas Theological Seminary, who does not believe in the young earth theory and he agrees that it can only mean a day of 24 hours. As for the reason why there is no mention of sunrise or sunset on day 7 is because the pattern had already been established in the previous 6 days. I am curious where you found the support for this view? Was it a published commentary, a denominational view, or something that you came up with on your own?

[@djsarg7451]

If do not think the complete Bible is the Word of God. OK. In Genesis 2:4. The entire time span of God’s creative activity is called a “day”. If you do not want to enter into the 7th day as the Bible ask OK.

[@inthebeginning...4061]

So, just to be clear, are you assuming that because I do not view a passage the way you do, you think I do not believe the Bible is the Word of God? That is a very strong claim about someone you have never met. But, setting that aside, you are still wrong. Context matters, and clearly, you are not paying attention to it. As you mentioned in your first comment, Yom can mean different things depending on the context of the passage it is used in. Genesis 2:4 does not use Yom as a 24-hour day; it uses it in a general sense, such as "In my father's day." If, as you are assuming, it were to mean a regular day, then you would also be assuming that all of Genesis 1 is false because, according to you, Genesis 2:4 says god created in one day. This is clearly not the case. So, in view of the very clear context of the passage, Genesis 2:4 is using the word in a general sense and not in the sense of a 24-hour day. This is also made clear when you examine additional translations that render the passage as "When the Lord God made" NLT, "at the time the Lord made" (HCSB). If you examine the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, you will find it referenced as a generic usage of time. As I said, context matters.

[@djsarg7451]

Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains" Young Earth creationist "no that is not what it says.
Romans 1:20" For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God." Young Earth creationist "no that is not what it says, science (the study of everything God made) is the enemy of the Bible and God.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God. Young Earth creationist no the stars in the heavens deceive us. The speed of light is wrong and deceives us. And on and on. I have yet to hear from a Young Earth creationist that has entered into the 7th day and trust the Bible. Young Earth creationist are followers of Ken Ham, not Jesus. YEC rather than trust the Bible, trust Ken Ham, and says the Earth is young, 6,000 years, and that there are only two views: Ken Ham YEC and atheism evolution. Truth there are many old Earth Creationists, that do not believe in evolution, and Ken Ham says they do not exist.

[@inthebeginning...4061]

Wow, young earth creationists are followers of Ken ham… that’s rich… and completely ignorant. Do you have any evidence for this? Have I invoked the “word of Ken” at any point? The answer would be no. I became a creationist because of science, long before I even knew who Ken Ham was. As for the passages you claim to site. Ancient mountains do not hurt the young earth view. Romans 1:20 has no effect of the topic at all other than telling us that creation testifies to its creator. As for the speed of light, also known as the horizon problem, it is an issue, and every secular scientist will tell you the same thing. The speed of light, rather you believe it or not, is still being debated on many levels. So, other than tossing out scriptures you take out of context, making accusations with no evidence to back them up, and tossing out a ridiculous claim of the venerable ending 7th day, do you have any evidence to support your claims other than your opinion?

[@CJFCarlsson]

Noone stops and asks what" a thousand years being like a day and a day being like a thousand years means". Do not skip over it. Do not trivialize it. God has a relation to time that you and I do not have is what it means. He is not bound by time but exists eternally, yet creation does not flash by.

[@marciamcgrail5889]

Six 24 hour days. Literally. Really. Miraculous. Dontcha think?

[@CJFCarlsson]

@@marciamcgrail5889 Yes miraculous. just keep in mind from where you have got your vocabulary and for what you normally use it, when you try and describe something miraculous. It is no longer your kitchen or your week in spain we are talking about.