@@johannmeiring4208 Why do say this? He is well qualified and explains everything fully. He proves the science and keeps no secreters and asks us to take no liberties. No tricks here just raw science. He even explains that we can prove the earth is not million or billions of years old. If you have no reason to say what you said maybe rethink it?
Well, sadly he is just another apologist, defending the bible against science. You might believe otherwise, but the truth is what the facts are, and the facts are that the earth is 4,5 billion years old, evolution is true, and many things in the bible are known to be wrong thanks to science :/ Noah's flood didn't happen for instance. Job an isaiah both talk about a flat earth by the way... you can interpret the scripture orherwise, but they say circle for a reason. They thought the earth was flat. Which it definitely isn't. I can't believe Lisle talks about light-years claiming that "the speed of light must have changed"... Like his example with the grand canyon and the flood.. Every people saying "fast sedimentation" and so on, all fake, not scientific consensus. Apologists consensus This is literally trying to adjust reality so it matches your bible. It's the most dishonest thing to do as a scientist... Nobody assumes that the rates are constant, they just learn physics. Even his supposedly modelisation to see how galaxies spin etc, that has been done already and he is wrong. Sorry folks. Just to be clear, I am not denying Christianity here, just some bible claims that we know are wrong because we now have the technology to observe much more than we did 2000-4000 years ago. Science is not trying to explain the soul, so religion shouldn't try to explain cosmology, because it can't. Peace
Jesus Gave His All for us. Paid with His LIFE. Can we do the same and tell the world Jesus is our Saviour. Bought with His life blood. Bought us to SAVE us for Eternity in Heaven’s Glory. Worship. joy comes. Praising our Creater in His Heaven for eternity❤
Well, I just became disenchanted with Dr. Lisle, since he seems to be a proponent of 'dark matter' which is obviously a rescue device with absolutely no evidence for its existence , except that it ' must' exist. Credit the kid who asked a question the way it should've been asked, I just wish he'd have asked Dr. Lisle about 'dark energy' as well , since it has the same amount of evidence as well, which is none except that it 'must.'
I am so impressed and joyful to see all these books being promoted to help teens as well. I really did not understand how in depth Dr Lisle's Ministry was. God is so good. I am getting teary eyed now after watching and I plan to get some of the books soon. I am also going to pass this on to my pastors. I would love to see this shown at my church.
@@FraudulentEarth68, I'm sorry you feel that way. The truth is never indoctrination. It is simply the truth. I sincerely hope that you value truth enough to keep an open mind and heart, because Jesus said "I am the TRUTH, the WAY, and the LIFE; Nobofy comes to the Father except by Me. That also is the truth. Have a Blessed day.
@@davidgraham2673 Your truth not mine! And your truth can be indoctrination. Other peoples truths make them become Hindus. You claim your truth is better than theirs, just because you were born in the US and you got a load of ''truth'' from other people, like parents and friends and relatives, spilled over you...
@@nickjones5435 Hey Nick. Thanks for sharing your opinion (which you are quite welcome to). No, I am not kidding. So, how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was pitiful?
God will prove himself with prophecy and he already has!!! Every prophecy that's time has come to pass has come true 100% exactly as it was written in the Bible!!! Only God could foretell the future like that and have 40 different men write it down without any contradictions whatsoever over thousands of years!!! God is so amazing!!!
@@Gary-fq8cxyou can’t use science to prove a transcendent being. It’s a category error. Science is for the natural world - like astronomy. However, we’ve seen in this lecture that science does prove that the Bible is true which should lead us to believe in the God of the Bible.
Surah al-Anbiya 30. Do the unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and We split them apart? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not believe?
I am posting again lol. I love the questions and answer also. At 1:48:03 A gentleman asks what the point of Dr Lisle's talk and I was so glad he asked because the answer made me think about how telling people the truth is not so hard because it is in them in their hearts. I see some argue because they are trying to convince themselves sometimes I am sure. There may be more hope than we sometimes might think for others to accept Gods truth and the most important truth that Jesus suffered and died for us that the debt of our sins could be wiped clean.
I like to listen to Dr. Jason Lisle because I find him a natural humble person, a spontaneous, and mature Christian. And by the way, he teaches with a joyful bright intense desire to be fruitful. Thank you all for supporting his testimony...
What an "astronomically" wonderful video! One of my favorite scientists in one of my favorite places in Colorado (I grew up in GJ). Very educational and reaffirming for our faith!
One thing Lisle failed to consider is gravitational potential energy of Jupiter. When Jupiter radiates more heat than it received, it cool a bit. But cooler gas will contract (as Jupiter is gas giant), as a result gravitational potential energy converted to internal energy and compensate the heat loss. A simple math can show that this mechanism is enough for Jupiter's heat loss to last billions of years.
I can kind of understand where most secular Scientists are coming from with the "1 light year is the equivalent of length light travels in 1 year. if the andromeda galaxy is ~2Million light years away, that means we are seeing what it looked like 2 million years ago." but its so obvious thats just not true, and it also shows they don't pay attention to the bible. Also great video! I really love astronomy so this is a very awesome video for me.
I can not help thinking that God sometimes designed things such as the one way speed of light to be impossible for us to calculate pr measure. Particles fired through slots also behave differently when observed preventing us from making another discovery in physics. Dr Lisle mentioned it seems sort of strange but maybe it is for our own good lol.
There is just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there?You clearly don't give a sh1t about the commandments?-or you would not piss on them as you do. I wonder if Lisle's autism contributes to his bigotry or vice versa?
My favorite statement from an Atheist on Creationism vs Darwinism/Evolution (Biological/Universal); They joke that our position is, "We can't explain it, so 'God did it'," followed by a condescending chuckle...It's fun because my reply is always, "Ah, Darwinism/Evolution...We can't explain it so, NOTHING DID IT...Or, We can't explain it so Dark Matter did it...We can't explain it so The Graviton did it...Shall I continue?" All of their "gods" are hypothetical, "working theories" LOL. Isn't it amazing how many humans think that the word "science" is mutually exclusive to the religion of atheism? How did that happen? Goofballs. The Theory of Relativity...Still a theory, folks. One last statement you should wrap a discussion up with, melts their brains - Just say, well, looks like we disagree, but at least we can agree on one fact, every time your say the word, "UNIVERSE" you can enjoy the fact that it means, "One Spoken Word" - Uni...Verse...Enjoy!"
@@slingslang2934 "A few gaps in what science can explain..." Out of touch, much? "Science" can't explain anything - Science is a process, a discipline...Not a person explaining things. "Science" is not an autonomous-being, but a word that gets used regularly as if it were. Every scientist has a point-of-view and agenda. Every publication and thesis has ulterior and counter-arguments. While yes, we now have penicillin as a result of people doing science, it cannot be said that "science gave us penicillin" - It was the scientist, which, through scientific methods discovered it. Alexander Fleming believed in God. Was his belief-system his motivation? Not likely, therefore his science was truly scientific. Can the average atheist say the same for their science? Absolutely not. They are typically more dogmatic than scientists of faith. "Why God did it?" Can I explain that? I wouldn't pretend to be able to convince you of anything. Cognitive-dissonance is a very big challenge. YOU might be able to do enough science for yourself, to get the answer.
didn’t realize I had to do your work for you, cupcake. I don’t expect you to understand this, but here goes nothing: Your question is loaded with the implication that someone DID something. No one except creationists use the nothing alternative, so that’s a strawman. Dark matter and gravitons have been detected, so I don’t know what you’re crying about, except you’re too simple to even remotely grasp a very complex set of topics. Finally, that’s not the etymology of the universe. You’ve use words from two different languages. But again great job sounding stupid. Josh Feuerstein said this years ago. “Verse” in universe, is from Latin “universus” or “combined into one”. So by this logic you’ve brilliantly laid out, the word fa (flower) and que (chair) literally means the English-sounding equivalent. So flower chair.
It's from Psalm 147! It's such a beautiful one, too. The exact verse is Psalm 147:4. Here it is from the NIV version: "He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name."
@@kirkkirkland7244 My hair quantity has changed so he must know the original amount plus the current amount... for everybody... that is better than any CPU
This is some question about genesis 1 v 1 . The first point was that -‘The creation of the Earth and the Heaven - the universe was in six, 24-hour days. 2.Light was then before the source of light - . 3. Three : - Day came into existence before creation of Earth. Point No. 4 - Earth came into existence before Sun. . 5 - Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight Point No. 6 - Light of the Moon is its own light. 7 - The earth - Will it perish or will it abide forever? . 8 - The earth has got pillars.
Conservation of Energy & Mass : What about entropy ? Isn't it true that all things decay so that in the case of gene's , as you've mentioned before in another video lesson, that before sin everything was good, perfect ? no death ? no 'entropy' !! But , after sin there was death. Death was the result of sin. I believe you mentioned that contrary to 'evolution' , change w/in kinds happened because of gene's being lost on some cases. It this is true , wouldn't we be loosing energy or mass in the form of gene's that were no more ?? Thank you for your generous consideration, Sincerely .................. God bless.
Question: If I'm moving faster than light inside a black hole and I move backwards through time, do I hit the beginning of the universe when I hit the singularity?
He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind. Quran , Surah Luqman, V10
I’m curious what is Dr lisles ethnicity ? Where and how did he come up with the numbers that produced the the fractals in the computer generated pictures. I’m serious I don’t know!
God created the things in the universe in 6 days, and then rested on the seventh day. He can add sometimes anytime He wants. You may have made your house in six months and then rested. It doesn't mean that you couldn't decide to add a room ten years later.
To me the speed of light is moot, because I think God created the Universe 6,024 years ago, simply with light in situ, and it's been expanding exponentially since the Creation. This is where Occam's Razor comes into play, since this is the simplest explanation. In addition, would God create Adam in His image, yet deny him a view of the heavens?
I got a question to the convention of the one way speed of light he proposed: What about the light of the sun we see after sunset? I thought this was because the rest of light would still be traveling? Would love some thoughts about this. Thanks!
Could we leave an instrument on Mars that will pick up and measure the time of when light we sent it from earth hit it? Have it send back to us the time the light first hit it. Next to it, have a mirror that light hits sent at the exact same time with its light sent back to earth. Measure the exact time the light came back to earth. Compare the two. The measurements may not be infinitely precise, but they may be able to show if there is a difference between the two. Also, at the same instance, send a light that originates on mars and measure when it reaches here.
@davidbutler1857 Do you have any idea how many conventional scientists disagree and argue over even fundamentals? They hardly concur on anything. The establishment may have its excepted points of view, but they are often far from a full concensus. How many times have they been caught substantiating hoaxes. How many times picking and choosing the statistics that fit their presupposes conclusion? Lots. You folks assume that scientists and academy is free from politics and agendas. Hardly. You pick and try to find anything you can to discredit creationists, ignoring the many problems among your own. Pretend, from your point of view, that you found out that God did create everything miraculously and quickly. How would that set with you?
Problem is the clock on this instrument would not be synchronized when you send it to Mars. Time is affected by gravity and speed. (Reason why astronauts in space experience different time relative to someone on earth) there are formulas to account for this but they themselves depend on the speed of light, the very thing you’re trying to measure.
I have encountered several people who claim that evolution is true and proven to be a fact. They are making up a story about the past that they were not there to see, using present-day rocks, layers, and fossils and the best they can do is to make educated guesses about what happened in the past, but look at many of their videos, showing dinosaurs in their environment grazing/hunting, feasting. They have all of these fancy videos of stuff they have never seen in real life; you would think they had a time machine and went back and filmed it all. The whole point of the fancy animated videos and pictures is that if all they put forward are various collections of bones in museums, people would be like oh that's nice and move on, but with slick animations and pictures now that's a real selling point, but who stops to ask is that really how it happened, did they really look like that, or is all of that nothing but best guesses and not the real thing?
The sun is moving as is the galaxy it is circling as well as the starcluster it is moving though etc etc. there is no other point of reference we can trust. It is subjective to many factors we can not test practically. We would be guessing.
@@davidbutler1857 OWS of light can be indirectly determined only if hyper-surface of simultaneity can be determined. If hyper-surface of simultaneity is defined as hyper-plane orthogonal to time axis under Minkowski metric then OWS of light is always c, this is the convention used by special reality. But Lisle argued that it does not have to be that way. The hyper-surface of simultaneity itself is determined by OWS of light, so this kind of indirectly measurement is just a form of circular reasoning. Hyper-surface of simultaneity can lie anywhere outside the past and future light cone to maintain the causality. If hyper surface of simultaneity is defined as aligned with past light cone, then light speed toward observer is always infinity. The key argument is that the idea of simultaneity between two different places in space is not objective, even under same reference frame, rather, it only exists in human's brain and subject to interpretation.
I love how Jason adorses Einstein, goes with his reasoning, even understands his math, and yet somehow missed that the two postulates for Einteinn's theory of general (and special) relativity to work are: 1. The laws of physics are everywhere the same 2. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light Yet here he proposes that light travels infinitely fast in one direction, to apologize for scripture's inconsistencies with observation. Sad :(
@@kirkkirkland7244 this statement “we know nothing about universe and all its secret” is contradict with bible teaching. God speaks to us in his creation so we can know many things about universe.
Einstein also said that we don’t know the speed of light in any one way direction. So if light is instant one way so is gravity and if it’s c/2 the other way so is gravity. So even if we assume God used natural causes in creation week his word is still consistent.
The Doppler effect on light as it comes back could make it much slower. Also consider light once it escapes a gravity well. The theory is gravity effects light, so even in the current theory, light in interstellar and intergalactic space could be near instantaneous. This dependence on a 'convention' is a huge hole in the theory of relativity. As a mathematician, just because the math works out does not mean all values and variables are correct or accounted for, it just means the error and omissions net out. Time dilation just doesn't sit well with me, and I think it is more something effecting the how we measure time than time itself in the practical applications of relativity.
Hope this finds you well Jason. Consciousness, what is it? How do we define it? "The ability to rationally ponder life or existence beyond the present perceived world and the perceptions of our own abilities" Luke 12:48 KJV
at about 1:49:00 a very good question wa asked " what is the point of all this learning? and, like just about every intellectual christian i have ever encountered he COMPLETELY glossed over the fact that our minds are FALLEN, that our appetties are corrupted and so we seek what is inordinate, and that therefore much of our searching for knowlege is corrupt. that is the problem, they wil not set limits to their own enterprise by acknowledging the fallenness of their own minds. i seriously contend that much of our curiosity is not the image of God but is our own gluttony, our own inordinate corruption of our appettites. i was disappointed that he fell into t typical trap of the intellectual o scientific christian. but it is ro be expected
Evolutionary morality: I'm just an accident and life is about doing whatever I want or have to to keep the species alive, and being the best, the richest. And I have all the money a person needs. My fortress is secure, so all I need to do is keep up appearances to keep the public happy, so they don't come after me for being rich while they're miserable, and.. look at that 15 year old, whoa. I will have her too. I'll surround myself with evolutionary purists like me and we'll keep it our secret while we had the best of everything in this universe - I had the best of everything this planet had to offer. Jesus is God.
Christian morality: Every thought I have is supplied by God, yet I can't solve a damn problem and I only believe what they tell me to believe. Jesus was perfect so that I can be a dick to everyone else and still enjoy eternal bliss when I die.
@@rogermills2467 vicarious redemption is one of the most useful ways one can feel good about being a terrible person. The way I look at it is the equivalent of you committing a crime and getting away with it because your friend agreed to serve your punishment.
COME ON, WAKE UP - THE EARTH IS FIXED AND IMMOVABLE!! Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. 1 Corinthians 3:18-19
oh really - then you've not even absorbed what Our Father tell us in the very first chapter of his Good Book. If the sun wasn't created until the 4th day then what was the earth and the waters above and below orbiting around for the first 3 days? And take a look at the stars with a nikon P900 or P1000 - they are no way lights from millions of light years away. They are local and in the waters of the firmament.
Amazing...that scientists, believe in the Oort Cloud. They ridicule the religious, who they say, is an invisible God in the sky. Yet...they do the exact same thing...when it comes to the Oort Cloud. Believing in something there is absolutely ZERO proof of. It is OK for them to have faith in that absurd notion...but not the religious who believe in a Creator/Designer. It is amazing to me...
I don't think you can say scientists "believe in" the Oort Cloud, at least not in the sense of "I believe in Jesus". When scientists think is that Oort Cloud hypothesis is a reasonable explanation for origin of comet. But being reasonable does not mean being absolutely true.
*Time speeds up in outer space where there is no matter.* That means time goes by faster in outer space where there is no matter. That means that there is no single rate or measure of time in the universe. That means the outer spiral arms don't need any extra matter or dark matter. Distance is also expanded in outer space where there is no matter causing redshift. That means that distance is expanded not expanding in outer space where there is no matter. That means there is no need for dark energy. It also means that billions of years occur at the same time as thousands of years occur in the same universe. (A day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day in reality.) There is no matter in outer space to slow down time or contract distance. That means that plasma beams of light are not seven times the speed of light. It does mean that distance is expanded and time speeds up in outer space the farther away plasma jets get from the center of the galaxy. It's simple general relativity.
@@therick363 See if you can follow this. Outline: Time Light *and Distance* Problem Explained I. Introduction The assumption people have is that light years in outer space equals the same measure of distance and passage of time on earth. This is the reason they think that an age can be assigned to the universe. This is curious knowing that there is no single measure of distance or rate of the passing of time in the universe. General relativity explains that the local rate of time and the measure of distance depend on the amount of matter or mass in the vicinity. Elsewhere in the universe the rate of time and measure of distance depend on the absence of matter in the vicinity. Assuming the math is correct and there is a singularity in a black hole, time is stopped and there is no distance. In contrast, the lagrange point between supermassive black holes is a place where there is the least amount of gravity in the universe and where the rate of time passes by very fast and the measure of distance is the most expanded. What the measurements are is unknown since no one is there to make a comparison. II. Differing Measures of Time and Distance due to GR The area of space in our line of sight between us and distant galaxies is mostly running at a much faster rate of time. Not only is time passing by faster between galaxies, the measures of distance are much larger effectively reducing the distance between galaxies. Observed phenomena in outer space such as redshift, superluminal motion measured to be seven times the speed of light, and apparent faster motion of outer spiral arms of galaxies are due to the faster rates of time and the expanded measures of distance the farther out from the center of the galaxy it is. Incidentally the asteroid that was knocked off course moved faster than expected. The expansion of the universe is not required to explain the observed redshift of light from distant galaxies because the expanded distance and faster rates of time explain both the redshift and the faster than expected motion of objects the farther away from the center of the galaxy that it is. It's not the same as our flat observations of cats and dogs locally here on earth where we don't observe differing measures of distance and time. III. Local Rate of Time and Measure of Distance due to GR Locally, the measure of distance and rate of time doesn't change much where we are inside of our galaxy. However, the area in our line of sight between us and distant galaxies is extreme and running at a much faster rate of time as well as an expanded measure of distance outside our galaxy compared to where we are near Sagittarius A, Milky Way's black hole (where our rate of time is much slower and our measure of distance is much more contracted). The same way the earth appears flat locally, our universe also *appears* to be relatively flat locally. However, over great distances throughout the universe there are vastly differing measures of distance and differing rates of time from black holes to the lagrange points between black holes where there is very little acceleration compared to our relatively flat contracted local frames of reference near Sagittarius A. The clocks are running faster outside of galaxies and the measuring sticks are larger meaning things are actually less distant than they appear to us to be from our position and our measurements near the center of the galaxy. *We can't project our measurements onto the rest of the universe.* Gravity drops off exponentially the *farther* it is from the singularity center of the galaxy. The more gravity drops off outside of the galaxy and in between galaxies, the more distance will be expanded and the faster the rate of time will be. It's also the reason distant galaxies *appear* to be ten times more massive than than closer ones. IV. Vacuum Energy of Space It turns out that the vacuum energy of space is due to the frame dragging of black holes that are growing in size from gobbling up spacetime regardless of the amount of matter being consumed. Recent findings of a team of scientists have found that dark energy or vacuum energy is associated with supermassive black holes that are all growing in size regardless of the amount of matter being consumed, as opposed to being associated with an ever expanding universe into oblivion for no reason. Supermassive black holes are the most powerful forces in the universe with far reaching effects of gravity and vacuum energy. The problem and solution is that between galaxies, all of the galaxies all around are all together pulling and drawing in spacetime, as well as exerting equal gravitational forces from all around on empty space. This is the reason there is very little acceleration between galaxies and where there is expanded distance and a faster rate of time. V. Conclusion The expanded space or distance between galaxies due to the absence of matter explains the observed redshift without the need for a nonsensical universe expanding into oblivion for no reason. It also means the distances between galaxies are not as far as they appear to us to be. This combined effect means that 13.8 billion years is the same as 6,000 years and vice versa *in the same universe.* A day is also like a thousand years and vice versa in the same created universe. The reason why people stumble over the "time light problem" in outer space is due to not taking general relativity into account.
What if God, before time existed in eternity past, conceived the cosmos fully complete, then when He spoke each day into existence, it came to be in a form that is billions of years old, as each day proceeds forward in real-time? That would satisfy the six days of creation, the distant starlight problem, and would not contradict the Biblical genealogy and prophecies of God's word.
Axis of Beginning is an excellent book, very informative and entertaining. I particularly like the “What if's...” The possibilities of how God may have made, formed, and created the universe.
How could you say he says anything against Gods word? He is one of our most valuable apologetics teachers. You did not mention one time he seeks against the Bible yet you claim he is actually deliberately going against the Bible when he is here to prove it is true. Listen to him and you will see it is all true. his ministry is to prove the bible is 100 percent correct to secular scientists and their followers. This man is serving the kingdome. You call him out for no reason it seems.
@@paulmerritt2484 This man supports the Heliocentric lie. In 1538 Martin Luther said this, "There is talk of a new astrologer who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must...invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth.” He knew that the Bible says we live under a firmament, that the earth does not move.
Everytime these guys post videos they block the comments. This is what they are afraid of. The Bible talks about “clouds” going up and down with people going in and out (Exodus 24:18 - Moses entered the cloud). Clouds do not make those movements described in the Bible, but spaceships do. Jesus ascended in a “cloud” (Acts 1:9). God rides in a “cloud” (Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3). Jesus will come back “with” the “clouds” (Mat 26:64, Rev 1:7). Jesus will come back commanding a fleet of starships. The church will be raptured “in” the “clouds” (I Thess. 4:17). Spaceships will be used to rapture the church. The ancient did not have vocabulary or knowledge to understand what they saw so they called the flying objects “clouds”, “chariots”, and “pillars”, because were the words they had to describe something flying in the sky. The Bible even tells in Psalm 68:17 how many spaceships are in the fleet “The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands” (about 20,000). There is a good research done by Patrick Cooke called “The Great Deception - The Bible UFO Connection” which has the original words describing spaceships. It is all over the Bible. Jesus is real. He is the savior of the world, but He is not seating in a puffy cloud. He is commanding a powerful army, which will take control of our planet and stop all wars. The Jews had contact with beings from another planetary system called The Elohim, commanded by The Most High God. The Elohim had to have a special covenant with humans to be able to save our planet from destruction. They got the agreement with the Jews, but the Jews were not faithful to the agreement so The Most High God sent Jesus to make a new covenant and have legal rights to save our planet from destruction. The Jews made a covenant with beings from another planetary system. Psalm 82:1-6 says that God presides over a great assembly. Something like a federation of planets. If you want to confirm what I am saying just look at a painting made in 1710 by someone that had access to the secret archives of the Vatican. Look at the paint " The Baptism of Christ" by Aert de Gelder. Now that we know more about science, we can understand the descriptions in the Bible. They described high technology but didn't have words to express. When they saw spaceships with strong lights they called "glory”. The "glory" of God was a spaceship with lights. In the interplanetary law the price to save us was innocent blood. That is why Jesus had to die for us. He was fulfilling a legal requirement.
@@chenyansong I think you don't like what I said, you don't have better arguments and as we learn in debate class, people that don't have an argument try to attack a person. I have made the same comment in other videos and smart people get it.
Why does it seem this way to you? And by referring to "leaving the Christian faith" are you referring to the west (North America, Western Europe, Australia etc.) more generally?
@@69eddieD Yes, xianity is bunk...but you should try Christianity...with Jesus Christ at the center of it all. He is humanity's answer par excellence :-)
I love listening to Jason Lisle, but I have no problem at all with the idea that God created the light from the stars already here from the very beginning. What would be the point of putting them there if the light took so long to get here that we would never be able to see them. As for defying the laws of physics, who cares? That's nothing compared to speaking the stars and everything else into existence in the first place.
"As for defying the laws of physics, who cares? " People with integrity, that's who. You just exposed your repulsive religion as nothing but a sack of lies. Congratulations.
“What would be the point of putting [distant galaxies and stars] there if the light took so long to get here that we would never be able to see them?” But that doesn’t address the problem that that light is depicting those galaxies and stars as they never were. The light is deceptive pictures, inaccurately depicting those objects, if you accept the creation of light in-transit as an explanation. I think that’s a real problem for those who believe Yahweh is not a deceiver.
@@timpieper5293 The whole concept of taking the bible literally defies the actual history of Abrahamic religions. There is no need to take it literally. It is absurd. And that's without the mental gymnastics required to reconcile a literal interpretation with demonstrable scientific facts. And prostitutes like Lisle exploit this ignorance for what? Fame? Money? The lack of integrity these quack academics demonstrate is repulsive.
@@timpieper5293. Assuming that you believe in the God of the Bible, do you believe that man knows everything there is to know about physics and the laws of nature, there is nothing that we do not know and we know as much as God. Do you believe that when God tells us something and it is beyond our understanding that He is being deceptive if he doesn't explain it to our limited minds? You must not have ever had any interaction with children. There is no ambiguity about the wording in the Bible in the account of creation and no fiddling with semantics changes what it says. You go right ahead and believe the word of man. I'll believe what God said and if I don't understand it, it's because I don't believe that I know as much as He does.
Richard Rogers All I’m saying is, if you believe the universe is around 6,000 years old, and that god created the light of distant objects to travel to our eyes, then it follows that that light isn’t accurately depicting the reality of those distant objects, which leads to billions of people being deceived into thinking they’re looking at images of the real past of an object millions or billions of years old. Unless you think god’s character is compatible with mass deception, this seems like a problem.
Cheese Wiz some of the most pressing opints you express so meekly Dr. Lisle. Star formation difficulty due to gas expansion & Blue stars... Can't we please gandstand that a little more??? please?
@@paulmerritt2484 Hey Paul, you might be missing the intent of my comment. I completely agree with Dr. Lisle. I want him to preach the truth harder, faster, & louder. Sorry for the confusing post. I am a very proud of Dr. Lisle's accomplishments as I am sure God is too.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. - Genesis 7 And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order prescribed. And these shall alter their orbits and tasks. And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them. And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners. And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them. And they shall be altered from all their ways. Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods. Enoch 78:6-7
The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to the appropriate (lit. ' that ') portal and 6 shines in the face of the heaven. In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which 7 is the fourth [those six portals in the cast]. And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in 8 their season. When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty, 9 mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven Enoch 72 5:9 I wonder why creationist don't like quoting these passages? Is it because they are completely wrong?
@@paulmerritt2484 agree, Enoch appears to be a fiction written to fill in some of the gaps in Genesis. It is a pity that some people think that it should be interpreted as being literally true.
Genesis 1 says god created day and night before He created the sun and the moon. He covered the Earth with a firmament solid enough to hold back water. He told us that He put the sun, moon and stars within that firmament. He also says that the moon has its own light, not that the sun shines on it. Over and over the Bible tells us that the Earth does not move. Believe God, not man.
Unless you can show the scripture that back what you are saying I could not even consider it. He understands the Bible very well .He is one of our top apologetics teachers to date. I see no reason to disagree with Dr Lisle. He would never speak against Gods word.
Genesis chapter one is not all about the creation of the whole universe. It's about the creation of this Earth and the sky/atmosphere/heaven. Genesis chapter one does not say God spoke the stars into existence on day 4. It is more like they that this is a comment by the writer to say "oh he also made the stars". Allow for The Bible to talk about the local heavens... what we see from the Earth. That is what was created on day 4, not everything in the whole universe. We know from elsewhere in The Bible that sin began before the Earth was created, sin began in heaven. Lucifer and his angels were cast out. This earth was created and this is "the stage" where sin is being dealt with. We are a spectacle to the whole universe. A young Earth, Sun, moon, solar system and maybe some nearby stars, yet an old universe. The Bible allows for this. Read the beginning of Genesis. The Earth was not spoken into existence in Genesis 1. The Bible allows for it to have pre-existed. The first thing spoken into creation was light. Let not preconceived ideas distort the scriptures by reading into them things that may not be there.
For a ‘fallen Angel’ the word Lucifer is used only once in the Bible and refers to the morning star as spoken by Nebuchadnezzar, (easily proven for those who want to know), not a supernatural evil being. God cannot look upon sin, do u think he would share his heavens with evil!
*Jesus falsely prophesied his return in the 1st century* Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom Matthew 16:28 Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God Luke 9:27 Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Mark 13:30 The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Matthew 24:29-34 There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Luke 21:25-32 *Jesus promised to return over 2, 000 years ago and he still hasn’t.* Jesus and the angels never appeared from Heaven, the stars never fell from the sky, none of these things happened. Nothing he prophesied happened. ***Apologists can try to spin this, but the simple fact is that Jesus was either wrong or misquoted.*** According to the Bible that makes Jesus a false prophet or misquoted (and if Jesus is misquoted than the Bible is not inerrant or the word of God) How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken Deuteronomy 18:21-22 *Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin* Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal) You will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** Matthew 26:64 Mark 14:62 Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing. *Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel* Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathanael when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.” Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** John 1:50-51 *Nathanael never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.* The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument. *Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23) Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Also, look up the following. *"13x Jesus was wrong in the Bible - Life Lessons"* *"End Times - Evil Bible .com"* *"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"* *"Resurrection - Fact or Myth - Omission Report"* *"What’s Missing from Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament? - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* *"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"* *"272: JESUS’S 5200 AUTHENTIC WORDS - zingcreed"* *"43: IS THE FOURTH GOSPEL FICTION? - zingcreed"* *"Jesus Predicted a First Century Return Which Did Not Occur - by Alex Beyman - Medium"* *"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
*"It needs to be emphasized that this line of reasoning isn't controversial among mainstream, middle-of-the-road NT critics.* I'm not talking about a view held by the Jesus Seminar, or earlier "radical" form and redaction critics like Norman Perrin. *Rather, I'm talking about the kinds of considerations that are largely accepted by moderates who are also committed Christians, such as Dale Allison and John P. Meier. Indeed, conservative scholars of the likes of none other than Ben Witherington and N.T. Wright largely admit this line of reasoning.* Why are they still Christians, you ask? I'll tell you: by giving unnatural, ad hoc explanations of the data. For example, *Meier gets around the problem by arguing that the false prediction passages are inauthentic (i.e., Jesus never said those things; the early church just put those words on the lips of Jesus, and they ended up in the gospels);* *Witherington gets around the problem by saying that what Jesus really meant was that the imminent arrival of the eschatological kingdom might be at hand(!); Wright gets around the problem by adopting the partial preterist line that the imminent end that Jesus predicted really did occur -- it's just that it was all fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem (Oh, really? So are we also to think that since he's already come again, he's not coming back? Or perhaps there will be a third coming?* But even putting these worries aside: why does Paul tell various communities very far *outside* of Israel about the same sorts of predictions of an imminent end that would affect *them* -- one that, like the one Jesus talked about, involved judgement, destruction, and the gathering of all the elect? And again, what about the author of Revelation's detailing the end-time judgment, which includes the Roman Empire *outside* of Israel, during the reign of Nero?). *Are you convinced by these responses? Me neither. And now you know why nobody outside of orthodox circles buys them, either."* *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
"When we say…Jesus Christ…was produced without sexual union, and was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, ***we propound nothing new or different*** *from what you believe regarding those whom you call Sons of God. [In fact]…if anybody objects that [Jesus] was crucified, this is in* ***common*** *with the sons of Zeus (as you call them) who suffered, as previously listed [he listed Dionysus, Hercules, and Asclepius].* Since their fatal sufferings are all narrated as not similar but different, so his unique passion should not seem to be any worse." *Note how Justin (Martyr) is less of a fool than modern Christian apologists. He admits that differences don’t matter.* Since each and every one of the suffering and dying gods are slain by different means, one cannot argue the mytheme requires exactly the same means of death. “But Osiris can’t have inspired the Jesus myth because Osiris wasn’t nailed to a cross” is a stupid argument. The mytheme is simply death. Being killed. Suffering and dying. The exact mode of death can vary freely. It makes no difference to the existence and influence of the mytheme. It’s simply the particular instantiation of a generic abstraction. *And Justin’s argument (that Satan invented these fake religions to confuse people) entails Justin agreed the mytheme existed: indeed, it was demonically promulgated, multiple times. Intentionally.* *Likewise, Justin notices the mytheme is not virgin birth, but sexless conception. Of which many examples had already been popularized in pagan mythology (there just happens to also have been examples of actual virgin born gods as well). And by his argument (that the Devil was deliberately emulating the Jesus mytheme, in advance), Justin clearly accepted the same principle for “rising again” after death:* the particular exact metaphysics of the resurrection could, like the exact method of death or conception, vary freely. The mytheme consists solely of the abstraction: returning to life. Somehow. Some way. We will say bodily, at the very least. But what sort of body (the same one, a new one, a mortal one, an immortal one), didn’t matter. *If it had, Justin would have made the argument that “those gods” weren’t really resurrected. But that argument, never occurs to him. Nor did it to any other apologist of the first three centuries.* *Ancient Christians well knew there was nothing new about their dying-and-rising god. Not in respect to the mytheme.* Their claims were solely that his particular instantiation of it was better, and the only one that actually happened. *They didn’t make up the stupid modern arguments that dying-and-rising god myths didn’t exist or weren’t part of a common mytheme everyone knew about. For example, in the same century, Tertullian, in Prescription against Heretics 40, makes exactly the same argument as Justin. Funny that. They had better access to the evidence than we do. They knew what was really and widely the case. We should listen to them.* Google *"Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Ehrman Errs: Yes, Bart, There Were Dying & Rising Gods - atheologica"* Watch *"Dying & Rising Gods: A Response to William Lane Craig"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica. *"The First Easters: Death and Resurrection Before Christ | atheologica"* *"The Christs Before Christ: Tammuz-Adonis | atheologica"* Watch *"Asclepius: The Pre-Christian Healer & Savior"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica *"Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"* *"5 Pagan Parallels to Jesus That Actually Aren’t Bullshit - Atheomedy"* *"Christian Apologetics: The Art of Deceit - Atheomedy"* *"Isaiah 53 & the Suffering Servant | atheologica"* *"Defending the Resurrection: It’s Easy if You Lie! - Atheomedy"* *"Rising Gods, Pagan Parallels, and Cultural Context: A Response to M. David Litwa | atheologica"* *"An Evidence Attested Resurrection? - chromosome two"* *"The Empty Tomb: A Rhetorical Dead End - atheologica"* *"Theological Dodgeball: On the Posturing of Faith over Reason | atheologica"* *"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* A good site written by an actual Biblical scholar. *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"* *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"* Also: *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
It doesn’t follow that because you are ignorant of biblical truth, and have copy and pasted ramblings from an atheist echo chamber, that your arguments are valid. Your responses are an example of cognitive dissonance, obsessed with the God you pretend not to know. True dichotomy, A or not-A. God or not-God. Are you prepared to defend your worldview?
If u read on in Matt Ch: 17 u will read that Peter & James did see the glory, in the Transfiguration. Mark 13: 30 - relates to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Sun, moon & stars taken figuratively to means those in high places; politically, ecclesiastically and peoples. A Bible student cross references verses throughout the Bible that only confirms the reliable truth of the Bible as, the meaning in context is consistent. Revelation in a symbolic Book but all the symbols can be cross referenced to other verses throughout the Bible. The followers of Christ have all expected the return of Christ in their time, keeps them ‘watching’ but Jesus Christ could not return until the Jews were back in the Land (since 1948), prophecy must be fulfilled. Events are moving towards Armageddon, Russia is the King of the North, Iran will never destroy Israel because it is their King, Jesus Christ who will return in glory with his Saints to save them from destruction and u just might see that day.
I think you need to read the Bible in content and you also need to have a little bit basic understanding of ancient Israel history and culture. Because you seems have absolutely no idea of Jesus said in the Bible. First generation of Christians believe Jesus Christ is the God of Israel who took on human form. Many of them were eye witnesses of the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus I strongly suggest that you read the new testament and think about it.
Nothing creationists have brought to the table of consideration, NOTHING has ever shown a thread of validity to back the ridiculous, FACTLESS juvenile notion of creationism. Nada, zilch, zero. Time to grow up
We are seeing the real universe but not literally see. As our eyes can only perceive a very narrow range of electromagnetic spectrum, we can not see many of God’s creation literally, but we can let instruments “see” for us and converted to images that we can literally see.
Happy to find this. Been looking for Mr. Lisle videos all over TH-cam. Wonderful.
Same here. I try and watch all his videos - he has a calm, relaxing demeanor.
@@coreylambrecht5797 and a deceiver !
@@johannmeiring4208 please do tell us what is deceptive from Dr L.
@@johannmeiring4208 Why do say this? He is well qualified and explains everything fully. He proves the science and keeps no secreters and asks us to take no liberties. No tricks here just raw science. He even explains that we can prove the earth is not million or billions of years old. If you have no reason to say what you said maybe rethink it?
Well, sadly he is just another apologist, defending the bible against science. You might believe otherwise, but the truth is what the facts are, and the facts are that the earth is 4,5 billion years old, evolution is true, and many things in the bible are known to be wrong thanks to science :/
Noah's flood didn't happen for instance. Job an isaiah both talk about a flat earth by the way... you can interpret the scripture orherwise, but they say circle for a reason. They thought the earth was flat. Which it definitely isn't.
I can't believe Lisle talks about light-years claiming that "the speed of light must have changed"... Like his example with the grand canyon and the flood.. Every people saying "fast sedimentation" and so on, all fake, not scientific consensus. Apologists consensus
This is literally trying to adjust reality so it matches your bible. It's the most dishonest thing to do as a scientist... Nobody assumes that the rates are constant, they just learn physics.
Even his supposedly modelisation to see how galaxies spin etc, that has been done already and he is wrong. Sorry folks.
Just to be clear, I am not denying Christianity here, just some bible claims that we know are wrong because we now have the technology to observe much more than we did 2000-4000 years ago.
Science is not trying to explain the soul, so religion shouldn't try to explain cosmology, because it can't.
Peace
Good job, Worship Team. 😊
Every time I hear this man I get pumped to grow in my apologetics. Thanks for all you do Dr. Lisle! God is working through you!
I like this feller! Great speaker
With the sound of his voice he created everything and yet he loves us and yet he calls us by name!
@@nickjones5435 Yes he does
Yah sometimes that's hard to grasp but it is true :) one day we will be with our Father...
What is man that God is mindful of us???
Jesus Gave His All for us. Paid with His LIFE. Can we do the same and tell the world Jesus is our Saviour. Bought with His life blood. Bought us to SAVE us for Eternity in Heaven’s Glory. Worship. joy comes. Praising our Creater in His Heaven for eternity❤
Well, I just became disenchanted with Dr. Lisle, since he seems to be a proponent of 'dark matter' which is obviously a rescue device with absolutely no evidence for its existence , except that it ' must' exist.
Credit the kid who asked a question the way it should've been asked, I just wish he'd have asked Dr. Lisle about 'dark energy' as well , since it has the same amount of evidence as well, which is none except that it 'must.'
Jason is just awesome and extremely intelligent!!! God bless him!!!
Sorry Psalm 147:4 still brings me to tears
I'm really impressed with the Q&A in this video. So many things to ponder! God is great. I can't wait to see the New Heaven and New Earth.
I am so impressed and joyful to see all these books being promoted to help teens as well. I really did not understand how in depth Dr Lisle's Ministry was. God is so good. I am getting teary eyed now after watching and I plan to get some of the books soon. I am also going to pass this on to my pastors. I would love to see this shown at my church.
HELP indoctrinate teens, you mean?!
@@FraudulentEarth68, I'm sorry you feel that way.
The truth is never indoctrination.
It is simply the truth.
I sincerely hope that you value truth enough to keep an open mind and heart, because Jesus said "I am the TRUTH, the WAY, and the LIFE; Nobofy comes to the Father except by Me.
That also is the truth.
Have a Blessed day.
@@davidgraham2673 Your truth not mine! And your truth can be indoctrination. Other peoples truths make them become Hindus. You claim your truth is better than theirs, just because you were born in the US and you got a load of ''truth'' from other people, like parents and friends and relatives, spilled over you...
🎼🎶❤️🔥🎶🎼thanks Jason
Love you dear Dr. Liyle. So glad you are on the front lines
Thank you for this, God bless!
@@Gary-fq8cx Oh I see Gary. You do not believe science or religion.
Another wonderful presentation and Q & A time with Dr. Lisle. Praise God for this ministry!
@@nickjones5435 Hey Nick. Thanks for sharing your opinion (which you are quite welcome to). No, I am not kidding. So, how did you arrive at the conclusion that it was pitiful?
Romans 1:21 to 32 explains everything that is happening today.
@@Gary-fq8cxreally now , yeah your right , dudes comment is only 99.99999 percent correct , so.....
Speed of light... Interesting topic and not too common for followers of Christ. Thanks Dr Lisle. God bless.
When science is mature, it will ultimately prove the word of God
I think it already is but it will keep on proving it in more and more ways.
@@paulmerritt2484
What is the evidence to support your assertion?
God will prove himself with prophecy and he already has!!!
Every prophecy that's time has come to pass has come true 100% exactly as it was written in the Bible!!!
Only God could foretell the future like that and have 40 different men write it down without any contradictions whatsoever over thousands of years!!!
God is so amazing!!!
@@Gary-fq8cxyou can’t use science to prove a transcendent being. It’s a category error. Science is for the natural world - like astronomy. However, we’ve seen in this lecture that science does prove that the Bible is true which should lead us to believe in the God of the Bible.
Surah al-Anbiya
30. Do the unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and We split them apart? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not believe?
I am posting again lol. I love the questions and answer also. At 1:48:03 A gentleman asks what the point of Dr Lisle's talk and I was so glad he asked because the answer made me think about how telling people the truth is not so hard because it is in them in their hearts. I see some argue because they are trying to convince themselves sometimes I am sure. There may be more hope than we sometimes might think for others to accept Gods truth and the most important truth that Jesus suffered and died for us that the debt of our sins could be wiped clean.
Beautiful harmony worship 😅
It is good to have educated people who believe in God Almighty with their education.
Looking into the universe is like zooming into a mondol brot set. Both are infinite.
I like to listen to Dr. Jason Lisle because I find him a natural humble person, a spontaneous, and mature Christian. And by the way, he teaches with a joyful bright intense desire to be fruitful. Thank you all for supporting his testimony...
What an "astronomically" wonderful video! One of my favorite scientists in one of my favorite places in Colorado (I grew up in GJ). Very educational and reaffirming for our faith!
Ladies and gentlemen put your hands together for the Band.
Beautiful worship 😃
Its a miracle to have that many names
Creation Reveals Fantasy.
Would love to see YEC Jason Lisle and Martyn Iles debate OEC Frank Turek and John Lennox re the age of the earth.
One thing Lisle failed to consider is gravitational potential energy of Jupiter. When Jupiter radiates more heat than it received, it cool a bit. But cooler gas will contract (as Jupiter is gas giant), as a result gravitational potential energy converted to internal energy and compensate the heat loss. A simple math can show that this mechanism is enough for Jupiter's heat loss to last billions of years.
I can kind of understand where most secular Scientists are coming from with the "1 light year is the equivalent of length light travels in 1 year. if the andromeda galaxy is ~2Million light years away, that means we are seeing what it looked like 2 million years ago." but its so obvious thats just not true, and it also shows they don't pay attention to the bible.
Also great video! I really love astronomy so this is a very awesome video for me.
I can not help thinking that God sometimes designed things such as the one way speed of light to be impossible for us to calculate pr measure. Particles fired through slots also behave differently when observed preventing us from making another discovery in physics. Dr Lisle mentioned it seems sort of strange but maybe it is for our own good lol.
@@Gary-fq8cx flee you devil
It's the glory of God to hide things!!!
There is just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there?You clearly don't give a sh1t about the commandments?-or you would not piss on them as you do.
I wonder if Lisle's autism contributes to his bigotry or vice versa?
My favorite statement from an Atheist on Creationism vs Darwinism/Evolution (Biological/Universal); They joke that our position is, "We can't explain it, so 'God did it'," followed by a condescending chuckle...It's fun because my reply is always, "Ah, Darwinism/Evolution...We can't explain it so, NOTHING DID IT...Or, We can't explain it so Dark Matter did it...We can't explain it so The Graviton did it...Shall I continue?" All of their "gods" are hypothetical, "working theories" LOL. Isn't it amazing how many humans think that the word "science" is mutually exclusive to the religion of atheism? How did that happen? Goofballs. The Theory of Relativity...Still a theory, folks. One last statement you should wrap a discussion up with, melts their brains - Just say, well, looks like we disagree, but at least we can agree on one fact, every time your say the word, "UNIVERSE" you can enjoy the fact that it means, "One Spoken Word" - Uni...Verse...Enjoy!"
Nope. Not the explanation or position from an atheist. But thanks for playing, cupcake.
Why not just explain all the evidence of why God did it instead of continue to poke at the few gaps in what science can explain?
@@Bomtombadi1 Comments this...Then doesn't explain the position relative to the topic...Mmmmmm cupcakes!
@@slingslang2934 "A few gaps in what science can explain..." Out of touch, much? "Science" can't explain anything - Science is a process, a discipline...Not a person explaining things. "Science" is not an autonomous-being, but a word that gets used regularly as if it were. Every scientist has a point-of-view and agenda. Every publication and thesis has ulterior and counter-arguments. While yes, we now have penicillin as a result of people doing science, it cannot be said that "science gave us penicillin" - It was the scientist, which, through scientific methods discovered it. Alexander Fleming believed in God. Was his belief-system his motivation? Not likely, therefore his science was truly scientific. Can the average atheist say the same for their science? Absolutely not. They are typically more dogmatic than scientists of faith. "Why God did it?" Can I explain that? I wouldn't pretend to be able to convince you of anything. Cognitive-dissonance is a very big challenge. YOU might be able to do enough science for yourself, to get the answer.
didn’t realize I had to do your work for you, cupcake. I don’t expect you to understand this, but here goes nothing:
Your question is loaded with the implication that someone DID something. No one except creationists use the nothing alternative, so that’s a strawman. Dark matter and gravitons have been detected, so I don’t know what you’re crying about, except you’re too simple to even remotely grasp a very complex set of topics.
Finally, that’s not the etymology of the universe. You’ve use words from two different languages. But again great job sounding stupid. Josh Feuerstein said this years ago. “Verse” in universe, is from Latin “universus” or “combined into one”.
So by this logic you’ve brilliantly laid out, the word fa (flower) and que (chair) literally means the English-sounding equivalent.
So flower chair.
He calls all them by their name? what is the verse? That bring me to tears.
It's from Psalm 147! It's such a beautiful one, too. The exact verse is Psalm 147:4. Here it is from the NIV version: "He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name."
He also knows how many hairs on on all our heads!!! What is man that God is mindful of us????
@@kirkkirkland7244 My hair quantity has changed so he must know the original amount plus the current amount... for everybody... that is better than any CPU
This is some question about genesis 1 v 1 . The first point was that -‘The creation of the Earth and the Heaven - the universe was in six, 24-hour days. 2.Light was then before the source of light - . 3. Three : - Day came into existence before creation of Earth. Point No. 4 - Earth came into existence before Sun. . 5 - Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight Point No. 6 - Light of the Moon is its own light. 7 - The earth - Will it perish or will it abide forever? . 8 - The earth has got pillars.
God is still doing creative healing miracles like my reformed heart valves into perfection at 65 am 76.
Conservation of Energy & Mass :
What about entropy ? Isn't it true that all things decay so that in the case of gene's , as you've mentioned before in another video lesson, that before sin everything was good, perfect ? no death ? no 'entropy' !! But , after sin there was death. Death was the result of sin. I believe you mentioned that contrary to 'evolution' , change w/in kinds happened because of gene's being lost on some cases.
It this is true , wouldn't we be loosing energy or mass in the form of gene's that were no more ??
Thank you for your generous consideration,
Sincerely ..................
God bless.
I think astronomer Danny Faulkner has the best explanation in this light travel problem.1:11:02
He is teaching evolution.
What you came here to watch starts at 13:05. Yo welcome.
Lisle sees proof of creation everywhere...
Question: If I'm moving faster than light inside a black hole and I move backwards through time, do I hit the beginning of the universe when I hit the singularity?
How does the electromagnetism that permeates the universe affect light?
It doesn’t as light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum
How can gas that is usually spreading out , come together on its on?
I always knew God was the man in the moon.
He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind.
Quran , Surah Luqman, V10
He mentioned gas , when there’s enough of it will start to form into a sphere. I’m confused
I’m curious what is Dr lisles ethnicity ? Where and how did he come up with the numbers that produced the the fractals in the computer generated pictures. I’m serious I don’t know!
Black holes exist. White holes probably exist.
Rabbit holes can have a greater variety of sizes and shapes than either.
Anyone one know the name of the presentation software he is using?
I'll demonstrate real seraphim in my video 'Begining of understanding '
Godspeed
Dr. Lisle could please explain what is the 1/137 number
God created the things in the universe in 6 days, and then rested on the seventh day. He can add sometimes anytime He wants.
You may have made your house in six months and then rested. It doesn't mean that you couldn't decide to add a room ten years later.
To me the speed of light is moot, because I think God created the Universe 6,024 years ago, simply with light in situ, and it's been expanding exponentially since the Creation. This is where Occam's Razor comes into play, since this is the simplest explanation. In addition, would God create Adam in His image, yet deny him a view of the heavens?
I got a question to the convention of the one way speed of light he proposed:
What about the light of the sun we see after sunset? I thought this was because the rest of light would still be traveling? Would love some thoughts about this. Thanks!
He does address this in other videos I do not remember which one though.
Light of sun after sunset is refraction of sun light by atmosphere
31:10 formulas on his website to prove the earth is round
Could we leave an instrument on Mars that will pick up and measure the time of when light we sent it from earth hit it?
Have it send back to us the time the light first hit it.
Next to it, have a mirror that light hits sent at the exact same time with its light sent back to earth. Measure the exact time the light came back to earth.
Compare the two. The measurements may not be infinitely precise, but they may be able to show if there is a difference between the two.
Also, at the same instance, send a light that originates on mars and measure when it reaches here.
@@davidbutler1857 So, have they done it?
@davidbutler1857 Do you have any idea how many conventional scientists disagree and argue over even fundamentals? They hardly concur on anything. The establishment may have its excepted points of view, but they are often far from a full concensus.
How many times have they been caught substantiating hoaxes. How many times picking and choosing the statistics that fit their presupposes conclusion? Lots.
You folks assume that scientists and academy is free from politics and agendas. Hardly.
You pick and try to find anything you can to discredit creationists, ignoring the many problems among your own.
Pretend, from your point of view, that you found out that God did create everything miraculously and quickly. How would that set with you?
@@kathleennorton7913
Nope
Peer review is the filter
Something creationism lacks
Problem is the clock on this instrument would not be synchronized when you send it to Mars. Time is affected by gravity and speed. (Reason why astronauts in space experience different time relative to someone on earth) there are formulas to account for this but they themselves depend on the speed of light, the very thing you’re trying to measure.
" we" being you and which specific identifiable interlocutor?
He says we can run the Earth’s magnetic field backwards to it’s creation but we can’t run the expansion of the universe backwards to a starting point.
This man does not agree with the Word of God. Bring all things captive to Christ.
@@jannaswanson271 That is not true at all. He is here to defend Gods word.
the pain !
I have encountered several people who claim that evolution is true and proven to be a fact.
They are making up a story about the past that they were not there to see, using present-day rocks, layers, and fossils and the best they can do is to make educated guesses about what happened in the past, but look at many of their videos, showing dinosaurs in their environment grazing/hunting, feasting. They have all of these fancy videos of stuff they have never seen in real life; you would think they had a time machine and went back and filmed it all.
The whole point of the fancy animated videos and pictures is that if all they put forward are various collections of bones in museums, people would be like oh that's nice and move on, but with slick animations and pictures now that's a real selling point, but who stops to ask is that really how it happened, did they really look like that, or is all of that nothing but best guesses and not the real thing?
I didn’t know that the sun rotates too
It indeed does! Pretty fast too!
Couldnt we use the sun to determine the one way speed of light? The light from the sun appears before we actually see the sun.
The sun is moving as is the galaxy it is circling as well as the starcluster it is moving though etc etc. there is no other point of reference we can trust. It is subjective to many factors we can not test practically. We would be guessing.
Your comment is embarrassingly stupid. Did you not learn anything in school/high school?
@@davidbutler1857 OWS of light can be indirectly determined only if hyper-surface of simultaneity can be determined. If hyper-surface of simultaneity is defined as hyper-plane orthogonal to time axis under Minkowski metric then OWS of light is always c, this is the convention used by special reality. But Lisle argued that it does not have to be that way. The hyper-surface of simultaneity itself is determined by OWS of light, so this kind of indirectly measurement is just a form of circular reasoning. Hyper-surface of simultaneity can lie anywhere outside the past and future light cone to maintain the causality. If hyper surface of simultaneity is defined as aligned with past light cone, then light speed toward observer is always infinity.
The key argument is that the idea of simultaneity between two different places in space is not objective, even under same reference frame, rather, it only exists in human's brain and subject to interpretation.
1:26:29 But wait there's more.
I love how Jason adorses Einstein, goes with his reasoning, even understands his math, and yet somehow missed that the two postulates for Einteinn's theory of general (and special) relativity to work are:
1. The laws of physics are everywhere the same
2. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light
Yet here he proposes that light travels infinitely fast in one direction, to apologize for scripture's inconsistencies with observation.
Sad :(
God created light and we know nothing about the universe and all its secrets!!!
Never speak in absolutes because we don't know!!!
@@kirkkirkland7244 you ignored what was said
@@kirkkirkland7244 this statement “we know nothing about universe and all its secret” is contradict with bible teaching. God speaks to us in his creation so we can know many things about universe.
Einstein also said that we don’t know the speed of light in any one way direction. So if light is instant one way so is gravity and if it’s c/2 the other way so is gravity. So even if we assume God used natural causes in creation week his word is still consistent.
The Doppler effect on light as it comes back could make it much slower. Also consider light once it escapes a gravity well. The theory is gravity effects light, so even in the current theory, light in interstellar and intergalactic space could be near instantaneous.
This dependence on a 'convention' is a huge hole in the theory of relativity. As a mathematician, just because the math works out does not mean all values and variables are correct or accounted for, it just means the error and omissions net out.
Time dilation just doesn't sit well with me, and I think it is more something effecting the how we measure time than time itself in the practical applications of relativity.
Hope this finds you well Jason.
Consciousness, what is it?
How do we define it?
"The ability to rationally ponder life or existence beyond the present perceived world and the perceptions of our own abilities"
Luke 12:48 KJV
at about 1:49:00 a very good question wa asked " what is the point of all this learning?
and, like just about every intellectual christian i have ever encountered he COMPLETELY glossed over the fact that our minds are FALLEN, that our appetties are corrupted and so we seek what is inordinate, and that therefore much of our searching for knowlege is corrupt.
that is the problem, they wil not set limits to their own enterprise by acknowledging the fallenness of their own minds.
i seriously contend that much of our curiosity is not the image of God but is our own gluttony, our own inordinate corruption of our appettites.
i was disappointed that he fell into t typical trap of the intellectual o scientific christian.
but it is ro be expected
Evolutionary morality:
I'm just an accident and life is about doing whatever I want or have to to keep the species alive, and being the best, the richest.
And I have all the money a person needs. My fortress is secure, so all I need to do is keep up appearances to keep the public happy, so they don't come after me for being rich while they're miserable, and.. look at that 15 year old, whoa. I will have her too. I'll surround myself with evolutionary purists like me and we'll keep it our secret while we had the best of everything in this universe - I had the best of everything this planet had to offer.
Jesus is God.
Christian morality: Every thought I have is supplied by God, yet I can't solve a damn problem and I only believe what they tell me to believe. Jesus was perfect so that I can be a dick to everyone else and still enjoy eternal bliss when I die.
Nope. But thanks for appealing to emotion. You must feel superior now.
@@Bomtombadi1 🤣. It’s reality. Nothing like third party forgiveness.
@@rogermills2467 vicarious redemption is one of the most useful ways one can feel good about being a terrible person. The way I look at it is the equivalent of you committing a crime and getting away with it because your friend agreed to serve your punishment.
Lay off the crack pal
COME ON, WAKE UP - THE EARTH IS FIXED AND IMMOVABLE!!
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.
1 Corinthians 3:18-19
oh really - then you've not even absorbed what Our Father tell us in the very first chapter of his Good Book. If the sun wasn't created until the 4th day then what was the earth and the waters above and below orbiting around for the first 3 days? And take a look at the stars with a nikon P900 or P1000 - they are no way lights from millions of light years away. They are local and in the waters of the firmament.
Amazing...that scientists, believe in the Oort Cloud. They ridicule the religious, who they say, is an invisible God in the sky. Yet...they do the exact same thing...when it comes to the Oort Cloud. Believing in something there is absolutely ZERO proof of. It is OK for them to have faith in that absurd notion...but not the religious who believe in a Creator/Designer. It is amazing to me...
I don't think you can say scientists "believe in" the Oort Cloud, at least not in the sense of "I believe in Jesus". When scientists think is that Oort Cloud hypothesis is a reasonable explanation for origin of comet. But being reasonable does not mean being absolutely true.
This video has more adds than any video I’ve ever seen and doesn’t go back to where I left off.It’s very annoying.
We're sorry to hear that, TH-cam automatically puts ads on any videos on the platform.
@@CalvaryChapelgj I’m not mad I like Dr Jason Lisles meterial
@@CalvaryChapelgj I just hate they are trying to make me buy TH-cam red
You really think the moon can be seen that far away?
Considering it’s the size of the United States, yes!
@@JonathanMyron You think you can see the US from 250,000 miles away?
@@leojames559 it’s 240,000 and yes I do
More bunk to support the fairytale.
Would you care to provide evidence?
we know spirit exists we can't see spirit either
@@Gary-fq8cxyeah in a bottle of vodka.
too much going on.....focus, on the topic, not all the particulars....of your subject...
*Time speeds up in outer space where there is no matter.* That means time goes by faster in outer space where there is no matter. That means that there is no single rate or measure of time in the universe. That means the outer spiral arms don't need any extra matter or dark matter. Distance is also expanded in outer space where there is no matter causing redshift. That means that distance is expanded not expanding in outer space where there is no matter. That means there is no need for dark energy. It also means that billions of years occur at the same time as thousands of years occur in the same universe. (A day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day in reality.) There is no matter in outer space to slow down time or contract distance. That means that plasma beams of light are not seven times the speed of light. It does mean that distance is expanded and time speeds up in outer space the farther away plasma jets get from the center of the galaxy. It's simple general relativity.
Oh look just like Jason you too cherry pick
@@therick363 See if you can follow this. Outline: Time Light *and Distance* Problem Explained
I. Introduction
The assumption people have is that light years in outer space equals the same measure of distance and passage of time on earth. This is the reason they think that an age can be assigned to the universe. This is curious knowing that there is no single measure of distance or rate of the passing of time in the universe. General relativity explains that the local rate of time and the measure of distance depend on the amount of matter or mass in the vicinity. Elsewhere in the universe the rate of time and measure of distance depend on the absence of matter in the vicinity. Assuming the math is correct and there is a singularity in a black hole, time is stopped and there is no distance. In contrast, the lagrange point between supermassive black holes is a place where there is the least amount of gravity in the universe and where the rate of time passes by very fast and the measure of distance is the most expanded. What the measurements are is unknown since no one is there to make a comparison.
II. Differing Measures of Time and Distance due to GR
The area of space in our line of sight between us and distant galaxies is mostly running at a much faster rate of time. Not only is time passing by faster between galaxies, the measures of distance are much larger effectively reducing the distance between galaxies. Observed phenomena in outer space such as redshift, superluminal motion measured to be seven times the speed of light, and apparent faster motion of outer spiral arms of galaxies are due to the faster rates of time and the expanded measures of distance the farther out from the center of the galaxy it is. Incidentally the asteroid that was knocked off course moved faster than expected. The expansion of the universe is not required to explain the observed redshift of light from distant galaxies because the expanded distance and faster rates of time explain both the redshift and the faster than expected motion of objects the farther away from the center of the galaxy that it is. It's not the same as our flat observations of cats and dogs locally here on earth where we don't observe differing measures of distance and time.
III. Local Rate of Time and Measure of Distance due to GR
Locally, the measure of distance and rate of time doesn't change much where we are inside of our galaxy. However, the area in our line of sight between us and distant galaxies is extreme and running at a much faster rate of time as well as an expanded measure of distance outside our galaxy compared to where we are near Sagittarius A, Milky Way's black hole (where our rate of time is much slower and our measure of distance is much more contracted). The same way the earth appears flat locally, our universe also *appears* to be relatively flat locally. However, over great distances throughout the universe there are vastly differing measures of distance and differing rates of time from black holes to the lagrange points between black holes where there is very little acceleration compared to our relatively flat contracted local frames of reference near Sagittarius A. The clocks are running faster outside of galaxies and the measuring sticks are larger meaning things are actually less distant than they appear to us to be from our position and our measurements near the center of the galaxy. *We can't project our measurements onto the rest of the universe.* Gravity drops off exponentially the *farther* it is from the singularity center of the galaxy. The more gravity drops off outside of the galaxy and in between galaxies, the more distance will be expanded and the faster the rate of time will be. It's also the reason distant galaxies *appear* to be ten times more massive than than closer ones.
IV. Vacuum Energy of Space
It turns out that the vacuum energy of space is due to the frame dragging of black holes that are growing in size from gobbling up spacetime regardless of the amount of matter being consumed. Recent findings of a team of scientists have found that dark energy or vacuum energy is associated with supermassive black holes that are all growing in size regardless of the amount of matter being consumed, as opposed to being associated with an ever expanding universe into oblivion for no reason. Supermassive black holes are the most powerful forces in the universe with far reaching effects of gravity and vacuum energy. The problem and solution is that between galaxies, all of the galaxies all around are all together pulling and drawing in spacetime, as well as exerting equal gravitational forces from all around on empty space. This is the reason there is very little acceleration between galaxies and where there is expanded distance and a faster rate of time.
V. Conclusion
The expanded space or distance between galaxies due to the absence of matter explains the observed redshift without the need for a nonsensical universe expanding into oblivion for no reason. It also means the distances between galaxies are not as far as they appear to us to be. This combined effect means that 13.8 billion years is the same as 6,000 years and vice versa *in the same universe.* A day is also like a thousand years and vice versa in the same created universe. The reason why people stumble over the "time light problem" in outer space is due to not taking general relativity into account.
Astronomy certainly doesn't prove anything about religion, except that religion is always wrong.
Saved and modest😂 creationists prove evolution.
What if God, before time existed in eternity past, conceived the cosmos fully complete, then when He spoke each day into existence, it came to be in a form that is billions of years old, as each day proceeds forward in real-time? That would satisfy the six days of creation, the distant starlight problem, and would not contradict the Biblical genealogy and prophecies of God's word.
Well, then god would be a deceiver.
Axis of Beginning is an excellent book, very informative and entertaining. I particularly like the “What if's...” The possibilities of how God may have made, formed, and created the universe.
Sounds Bonkers to me.
Pseudo science
And, we have cameras that would be able to see a flag on the moon, had there been one
So you think you know more than God? You would stand in a church and refute His Word??
How could you say he says anything against Gods word? He is one of our most valuable apologetics teachers. You did not mention one time he seeks against the Bible yet you claim he is actually deliberately going against the Bible when he is here to prove it is true. Listen to him and you will see it is all true. his ministry is to prove the bible is 100 percent correct to secular scientists and their followers. This man is serving the kingdome. You call him out for no reason it seems.
@@paulmerritt2484 This man supports the Heliocentric lie. In 1538 Martin Luther said this, "There is talk of a new astrologer who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must...invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth.”
He knew that the Bible says we live under a firmament, that the earth does not move.
Everytime these guys post videos they block the comments. This is what they are afraid of. The Bible talks about “clouds” going up and down with people going in and out (Exodus 24:18 - Moses entered the cloud). Clouds do not make those movements described in the Bible, but spaceships do. Jesus ascended in a “cloud” (Acts 1:9). God rides in a “cloud” (Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3). Jesus will come back “with” the “clouds” (Mat 26:64, Rev 1:7). Jesus will come back commanding a fleet of starships. The church will be raptured “in” the “clouds” (I Thess. 4:17). Spaceships will be used to rapture the church. The ancient did not have vocabulary or knowledge to understand what they saw so they called the flying objects “clouds”, “chariots”, and “pillars”, because were the words they had to describe something flying in the sky. The Bible even tells in Psalm 68:17 how many spaceships are in the fleet “The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands” (about 20,000). There is a good research done by Patrick Cooke called “The Great Deception - The Bible UFO Connection” which has the original words describing spaceships. It is all over the Bible. Jesus is real. He is the savior of the world, but He is not seating in a puffy cloud. He is commanding a powerful army, which will take control of our planet and stop all wars. The Jews had contact with beings from another planetary system called The Elohim, commanded by The Most High God. The Elohim had to have a special covenant with humans to be able to save our planet from destruction. They got the agreement with the Jews, but the Jews were not faithful to the agreement so The Most High God sent Jesus to make a new covenant and have legal rights to save our planet from destruction. The Jews made a covenant with beings from another planetary system. Psalm 82:1-6 says that God presides over a great assembly. Something like a federation of planets. If you want to confirm what I am saying just look at a painting made in 1710 by someone that had access to the secret archives of the Vatican. Look at the paint " The Baptism of Christ" by Aert de Gelder. Now that we know more about science, we can understand the descriptions in the Bible. They described high technology but didn't have words to express. When they saw spaceships with strong lights they called "glory”. The "glory" of God was a spaceship with lights. In the interplanetary law the price to save us was innocent blood. That is why Jesus had to die for us. He was fulfilling a legal requirement.
"Everytime these guys post videos they block the comments" enough said. You posted did you not? Right.
@@paulmerritt2484 That is what you read? What about the rest? I think you didn't get the point.
@@airplane800 I think your statement is self-contradictory as it disapproves itself. Or you don't really know what the term "everytime" mean.
@@chenyansong You are wrong and don't have an argument.
@@chenyansong I think you don't like what I said, you don't have better arguments and as we learn in debate class, people that don't have an argument try to attack a person. I have made the same comment in other videos and smart people get it.
Funny how they believe in an ice machine in space crafting large ice balls and spewing them out. Oort Cloud. Pure comedy.
It seems the stronger the evidence becomes for the Creator, the more people are leaving the Christian faith ... why is that I wonder ...
Why does it seem this way to you? And by referring to "leaving the Christian faith" are you referring to the west (North America, Western Europe, Australia etc.) more generally?
Well its because they actually read all the bible not like priests who cherry pick and lie
Anyone that reads the bible with an open mind knows xtianity is bunk.
@@69eddieD Yes, xianity is bunk...but you should try Christianity...with Jesus Christ at the center of it all. He is humanity's answer par excellence :-)
@@Shabeck100 Derpy
Good jokes… 😂
I love listening to Jason Lisle, but I have no problem at all with the idea that God created the light from the stars already here from the very beginning. What would be the point of putting them there if the light took so long to get here that we would never be able to see them.
As for defying the laws of physics, who cares? That's nothing compared to speaking the stars and everything else into existence in the first place.
"As for defying the laws of physics, who cares? " People with integrity, that's who.
You just exposed your repulsive religion as nothing but a sack of lies. Congratulations.
“What would be the point of putting [distant galaxies and stars] there if the light took so long to get here that we would never be able to see them?” But that doesn’t address the problem that that light is depicting those galaxies and stars as they never were. The light is deceptive pictures, inaccurately depicting those objects, if you accept the creation of light in-transit as an explanation. I think that’s a real problem for those who believe Yahweh is not a deceiver.
@@timpieper5293 The whole concept of taking the bible literally defies the actual history of Abrahamic religions. There is no need to take it literally. It is absurd.
And that's without the mental gymnastics required to reconcile a literal interpretation with demonstrable scientific facts. And prostitutes like Lisle exploit this ignorance for what? Fame? Money? The lack of integrity these quack academics demonstrate is repulsive.
@@timpieper5293.
Assuming that you believe in the God of the Bible, do you believe that man knows everything there is to know about physics and the laws of nature, there is nothing that we do not know and we know as much as God. Do you believe that when God tells us something and it is beyond our understanding that He is being deceptive if he doesn't explain it to our limited minds? You must not have ever had any interaction with children.
There is no ambiguity about the wording in the Bible in the account of creation and no fiddling with semantics changes what it says. You go right ahead and believe the word of man. I'll believe what God said and if I don't understand it, it's because I don't believe that I know as much as He does.
Richard Rogers All I’m saying is, if you believe the universe is around 6,000 years old, and that god created the light of distant objects to travel to our eyes, then it follows that that light isn’t accurately depicting the reality of those distant objects, which leads to billions of people being deceived into thinking they’re looking at images of the real past of an object millions or billions of years old. Unless you think god’s character is compatible with mass deception, this seems like a problem.
Absolute nonsense. His doctorate should be nullified for this BS.
Cheese Wiz some of the most pressing opints you express so meekly Dr. Lisle. Star formation difficulty due to gas expansion & Blue stars... Can't we please gandstand that a little more??? please?
You have some better science? Do you know his qualifications?
@@paulmerritt2484 Hey Paul, you might be missing the intent of my comment. I completely agree with Dr. Lisle. I want him to preach the truth harder, faster, & louder. Sorry for the confusing post. I am a very proud of Dr. Lisle's accomplishments as I am sure God is too.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. - Genesis 7
And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order prescribed. And these shall alter their orbits and tasks. And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them. And the whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners. And the thoughts of those on the earth shall err concerning them. And they shall be altered from all their ways. Yea, they shall err and take them to be gods. Enoch 78:6-7
The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to the appropriate (lit. ' that ') portal and 6 shines in the face of the heaven. In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which 7 is the fourth [those six portals in the cast]. And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in 8 their season. When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty, 9 mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven
Enoch 72 5:9
I wonder why creationist don't like quoting these passages? Is it because they are completely wrong?
For the record Enoch us not and does not qualify as a book of the bible. It was not written by Enoch either or in his time.
@@paulmerritt2484 agree, Enoch appears to be a fiction written to fill in some of the gaps in Genesis. It is a pity that some people think that it should be interpreted as being literally true.
Genesis 1 says god created day and night before He created the sun and the moon. He covered the Earth with a firmament solid enough to hold back water. He told us that He put the sun, moon and stars within that firmament. He also says that the moon has its own light, not that the sun shines on it. Over and over the Bible tells us that the Earth does not move.
Believe God, not man.
Unless you can show the scripture that back what you are saying I could not even consider it. He understands the Bible very well .He is one of our top apologetics teachers to date. I see no reason to disagree with Dr Lisle. He would never speak against Gods word.
What’s the weather like on your planet?
And over and over reality doesn’t show what you’re claiming.
Genesis chapter one is not all about the creation of the whole universe. It's about the creation of this Earth and the sky/atmosphere/heaven. Genesis chapter one does not say God spoke the stars into existence on day 4. It is more like they that this is a comment by the writer to say "oh he also made the stars". Allow for The Bible to talk about the local heavens... what we see from the Earth. That is what was created on day 4, not everything in the whole universe.
We know from elsewhere in The Bible that sin began before the Earth was created, sin began in heaven. Lucifer and his angels were cast out. This earth was created and this is "the stage" where sin is being dealt with. We are a spectacle to the whole universe.
A young Earth, Sun, moon, solar system and maybe some nearby stars, yet an old universe. The Bible allows for this.
Read the beginning of Genesis. The Earth was not spoken into existence in Genesis 1. The Bible allows for it to have pre-existed. The first thing spoken into creation was light.
Let not preconceived ideas distort the scriptures by reading into them things that may not be there.
Does it hurt being that stupid
For a ‘fallen Angel’ the word Lucifer is used only once in the Bible and refers to the morning star as spoken by Nebuchadnezzar, (easily proven for those who want to know), not a supernatural evil being. God cannot look upon sin, do u think he would share his heavens with evil!
*Jesus falsely prophesied his return in the 1st century*
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom Matthew 16:28
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God Luke 9:27
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Mark 13:30
The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Matthew 24:29-34
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Luke 21:25-32
*Jesus promised to return over 2, 000 years ago and he still hasn’t.*
Jesus and the angels never appeared from Heaven, the stars never fell from the sky, none of these things happened. Nothing he prophesied happened.
***Apologists can try to spin this, but the simple fact is that Jesus was either wrong or misquoted.***
According to the Bible that makes Jesus a false prophet or misquoted (and if Jesus is misquoted than the Bible is not inerrant or the word of God)
How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken Deuteronomy 18:21-22
*Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal)
You will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** Matthew 26:64 Mark 14:62
Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathanael when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** John 1:50-51
*Nathanael never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.*
The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument.
*Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23)
Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman*
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Also, look up the following.
*"13x Jesus was wrong in the Bible - Life Lessons"*
*"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
*"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
*"Resurrection - Fact or Myth - Omission Report"*
*"What’s Missing from Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament? - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
*"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"*
*"272: JESUS’S 5200 AUTHENTIC WORDS - zingcreed"*
*"43: IS THE FOURTH GOSPEL FICTION? - zingcreed"*
*"Jesus Predicted a First Century Return Which Did Not Occur - by Alex Beyman - Medium"*
*"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
*"It needs to be emphasized that this line of reasoning isn't controversial among mainstream, middle-of-the-road NT critics.* I'm not talking about a view held by the Jesus Seminar, or earlier "radical" form and redaction critics like Norman Perrin. *Rather, I'm talking about the kinds of considerations that are largely accepted by moderates who are also committed Christians, such as Dale Allison and John P. Meier. Indeed, conservative scholars of the likes of none other than Ben Witherington and N.T. Wright largely admit this line of reasoning.* Why are they still Christians, you ask? I'll tell you: by giving unnatural, ad hoc explanations of the data. For example, *Meier gets around the problem by arguing that the false prediction passages are inauthentic (i.e., Jesus never said those things; the early church just put those words on the lips of Jesus, and they ended up in the gospels);* *Witherington gets around the problem by saying that what Jesus really meant was that the imminent arrival of the eschatological kingdom might be at hand(!); Wright gets around the problem by adopting the partial preterist line that the imminent end that Jesus predicted really did occur -- it's just that it was all fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem (Oh, really? So are we also to think that since he's already come again, he's not coming back? Or perhaps there will be a third coming?* But even putting these worries aside: why does Paul tell various communities very far *outside* of Israel about the same sorts of predictions of an imminent end that would affect *them* -- one that, like the one Jesus talked about, involved judgement, destruction, and the gathering of all the elect? And again, what about the author of Revelation's detailing the end-time judgment, which includes the Roman Empire *outside* of Israel, during the reign of Nero?). *Are you convinced by these responses? Me neither. And now you know why nobody outside of orthodox circles buys them, either."*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
"When we say…Jesus Christ…was produced without sexual union, and was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, ***we propound nothing new or different*** *from what you believe regarding those whom you call Sons of God. [In fact]…if anybody objects that [Jesus] was crucified, this is in* ***common*** *with the sons of Zeus (as you call them) who suffered, as previously listed [he listed Dionysus, Hercules, and Asclepius].* Since their fatal sufferings are all narrated as not similar but different, so his unique passion should not seem to be any worse."
*Note how Justin (Martyr) is less of a fool than modern Christian apologists. He admits that differences don’t matter.* Since each and every one of the suffering and dying gods are slain by different means, one cannot argue the mytheme requires exactly the same means of death. “But Osiris can’t have inspired the Jesus myth because Osiris wasn’t nailed to a cross” is a stupid argument. The mytheme is simply death. Being killed. Suffering and dying. The exact mode of death can vary freely. It makes no difference to the existence and influence of the mytheme. It’s simply the particular instantiation of a generic abstraction. *And Justin’s argument (that Satan invented these fake religions to confuse people) entails Justin agreed the mytheme existed: indeed, it was demonically promulgated, multiple times. Intentionally.*
*Likewise, Justin notices the mytheme is not virgin birth, but sexless conception. Of which many examples had already been popularized in pagan mythology (there just happens to also have been examples of actual virgin born gods as well). And by his argument (that the Devil was deliberately emulating the Jesus mytheme, in advance), Justin clearly accepted the same principle for “rising again” after death:* the particular exact metaphysics of the resurrection could, like the exact method of death or conception, vary freely. The mytheme consists solely of the abstraction: returning to life. Somehow. Some way. We will say bodily, at the very least. But what sort of body (the same one, a new one, a mortal one, an immortal one), didn’t matter. *If it had, Justin would have made the argument that “those gods” weren’t really resurrected. But that argument, never occurs to him. Nor did it to any other apologist of the first three centuries.*
*Ancient Christians well knew there was nothing new about their dying-and-rising god. Not in respect to the mytheme.* Their claims were solely that his particular instantiation of it was better, and the only one that actually happened. *They didn’t make up the stupid modern arguments that dying-and-rising god myths didn’t exist or weren’t part of a common mytheme everyone knew about. For example, in the same century, Tertullian, in Prescription against Heretics 40, makes exactly the same argument as Justin. Funny that. They had better access to the evidence than we do. They knew what was really and widely the case. We should listen to them.*
Google *"Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Ehrman Errs: Yes, Bart, There Were Dying & Rising Gods - atheologica"*
Watch *"Dying & Rising Gods: A Response to William Lane Craig"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
*"The First Easters: Death and Resurrection Before Christ | atheologica"*
*"The Christs Before Christ: Tammuz-Adonis | atheologica"*
Watch *"Asclepius: The Pre-Christian Healer & Savior"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
*"Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
*"5 Pagan Parallels to Jesus That Actually Aren’t Bullshit - Atheomedy"*
*"Christian Apologetics: The Art of Deceit - Atheomedy"*
*"Isaiah 53 & the Suffering Servant | atheologica"*
*"Defending the Resurrection: It’s Easy if You Lie! - Atheomedy"*
*"Rising Gods, Pagan Parallels, and Cultural Context: A Response to M. David Litwa | atheologica"*
*"An Evidence Attested Resurrection? - chromosome two"*
*"The Empty Tomb: A Rhetorical Dead End - atheologica"*
*"Theological Dodgeball: On the Posturing of Faith over Reason | atheologica"*
*"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
A good site written by an actual Biblical scholar.
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"*
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*
Also:
*"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
It doesn’t follow that because you are ignorant of biblical truth, and have copy and pasted ramblings from an atheist echo chamber, that your arguments are valid. Your responses are an example of cognitive dissonance, obsessed with the God you pretend not to know.
True dichotomy, A or not-A. God or not-God. Are you prepared to defend your worldview?
If u read on in Matt Ch: 17 u will read that Peter & James did see the glory, in the Transfiguration.
Mark 13: 30 - relates to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Sun, moon & stars taken figuratively to means those in high places; politically, ecclesiastically and peoples.
A Bible student cross references verses throughout the Bible that only confirms the reliable truth of the Bible as, the meaning in context is consistent.
Revelation in a symbolic Book but all the symbols can be cross referenced to other verses throughout the Bible.
The followers of Christ have all expected the return of Christ in their time, keeps them ‘watching’ but Jesus Christ could not return until the Jews were back in the Land (since 1948), prophecy must be fulfilled. Events are moving towards Armageddon, Russia is the King of the North, Iran will never destroy Israel because it is their King, Jesus Christ who will return in glory with his Saints to save them from destruction and u just might see that day.
I think you need to read the Bible in content and you also need to have a little bit basic understanding of ancient Israel history and culture.
Because you seems have absolutely no idea of Jesus said in the Bible.
First generation of Christians believe Jesus Christ is the God of Israel who took on human form. Many of them were eye witnesses of the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus
I strongly suggest that you read the new testament and think about it.
Nothing creationists have brought to the table of consideration, NOTHING has ever shown a thread of validity to back the ridiculous, FACTLESS juvenile notion of creationism.
Nada, zilch, zero.
Time to grow up
Are the colors of solar system from the James Webb telescope created by software or are we seeing real Universe?
We are seeing the real universe but not literally see. As our eyes can only perceive a very narrow range of electromagnetic spectrum, we can not see many of God’s creation literally, but we can let instruments “see” for us and converted to images that we can literally see.
...we don't really know anything...we're just guessing
No. No it doesn't.