But OMGosh I love-love-love the scene where Gansey calls Blue at the party so he can hear what's happening in Henrietta. That was, to me, by far the best part of the book.
My favorite bit is when the Gangsey was fetching blue and she was wearing the dress shaped like a lamp shade and it said the bit about Ronan not liking lamps! Gold, my baby is so gay and he's in love with Adam
I was a bit of a dingus and didn't notice all the very obvious hints in this book that he is gay. I think because so much happened I didn't notice the kinda more smaller details that addressed that. I did get that kinda spoiled for me while reading the 3rd or 4th. I didn't mind that I got it kinda spoiled that Ronan is gay but I also got who he ends up with spoiled. I would have liked to keep who he end up with a bit of a secrete and go through that journey with Ronan instead of already knowing that outcome
I don’t think Kavinsky was a bad person. He got obsessed with power and could’ve been made redeemable in later books. He was just a kid and didn't know how to handle this much power. I get why he died but at the same time I feel he didn't have to. I kind of read the book like he and Ronan were going to be together bc it seemed obvious to me he liked Ronan (although after Blue Lily Lily Blue I ship Ronan and Adam)
Kavinsky wasn't really *bad* so much as too chaotic and self-destructive to be handled because by the time Ronan came along, Kavinsky was too angry and too much about himself vs the world in a way Ronan wasn't there yet, and he refused to step forward out of the deepest depths of his anger to be with Ronan. If Kavinsky had made that step, it might've worked, but he was too angry and afraid. :(
@@LAKnightAuthor Kavinsky was too chaotic. If he was more willing to change and not as destructive. I think Ronan and Kavisnky could have possibly had something for a bit but I don't think it would be good for them to be an endgame couple even if Kavinsky did calm down because they are a bit too similar and they wouldn't balance each other out. I also love Ronan and Adam ship so much. If Kavinsky had a redemption arc I would be so down for that
RONAN AND ADAM OTP Anyway, I liked the The Dream Thieves more then The Raven Boys.....and I can't stop talking about how great the cover looks....we have very different opinions lol
I think I also like The Dream Thieves a bit more than the Raven Boys because it was more on the fantasy side and I loved getting to know Ronan more and see how complex of a character he is. I loved seeing the process of what happens when he dreams and going into his dreams
[spoilers for the dream thieves] i fucking LOVED this book my favorite in this series so far, ronan is my favorite character probably although i love all the raven boys + blue and also i LOOOOOVED kavinsky and i feel like almost EVERYONE hates him but i love him and I'm still not over his death
I watched the review on Raven Boys, and I was glad to see you liked it. I watched this review, since Dream Thieves is my favorite out of the series so far, and was disappointed that you didn't feel the same. It happens, to each their own. However, I really, really think you missed the point of what this book was about. While some of the questions you have are answered in Blue Lily, Lily Blue, I'm going to go ahead and answer some of the things you mentioned that relate to Dream Thieves, so that you can better understand and hopefully you give this book another chance. This is also for everyone that is confused about this book. (Also, it's GANsey, not GAINsey. It rhymes with "can". Very minor thing that bugged me.) SPOILERS FOR DREAM THIEVES BEYOND THIS POINT: When you said that you couldn't relate to Ronan because he was the main focus of the book, that's what made me believe you didn't quite catch /why/ he was the main focus of this book. It wasn't just so Maggie could develop his character for the readers to understand him better, but also to explain exactly what his role is in the big picture. Ronan's father died because he was a Greywaren, and there were people like Greenmantle, and then the Gray Man, that thought the Greywaren was a thing, and not a person. With Niall Lynch dead, Ronan is the /sole/ Greywaren. As you read in Raven Boys, when they all discover Cabeswater, the trees repeat the word "Greywaren". In Dream Thieves, you find out it's Ronan that they're calling out to. You find out that Ronan has been "dreaming" of Cabeswater for most, if not all, of his life. For whatever reason, Cabeswater needs Ronan to do something. Cabeswater is basically the servant of Ronan, which is why Ronan can take things from there, from his "dreams". Keeping on the subject of Cabeswater, the sacrifice Adam made was to become the "eyes and ears" of Cabeswater, which is to say he gave up his free will. His purpose is to make sure that Cabeswater stays around, so in a way, he is Cabeswater in human form. Cabeswater speaks to him, telling him where he needs to go to repair parts of the ley line. That's why Persephone gives him the tarot cards, so Adam can better understand what Cabeswater tells him. The "spirits" he sees are people in Cabeswater telling him that he needs to keep his end of the bargain, since he wasn't doing so until Persephone talks him through everything. You mentioned thinking that since Aurora Lynch is a "dream thing", are the Lynch brothers all "dream things"? Everything Ronan dreamed up was made physical, they functioned as if they had always existed. When Ronan and the gang go back to the Barns, and find all the "dream things", with Ronan explaining how his father created all of these things, it makes sense that if Niall and Ronan can make "dreams" into realities, that means Aurora is an actual human being, and you can take it from there. Ronan himself asks that question once he discovers the truth about his mother, whether or not him, Declan, and Matthew are "dream things" or not. Then there's the line right after, where he says that they all have baby books, blood types, and that whole deal, and that since none of them fell asleep when Niall died, they must not be "dream things". Then there's the deal with Kavinsky. Kavinsky reveals to Ronan that he himself is a Greywaren, but he has to take drugs in order to help bring things out of his dreams. You find out that Kavinsky is a "thief", and not a true Greywaren like Ronan is, which is why his own fire dragon creation kills him. Cabeswater knew Kavinsky wasn't a true Greywaren, so Cabeswater rebelled against him. It was strongly hinted that Kavinsky had some feelings for Ronan, but was under the assumption that Ronan had a thing for Gansey. Kavinsky was probably thinking that if Ronan and him were together, Cabeswater would allow Kavinsky to keep stealing things from it, since Ronan would just have to tell Cabeswater to allow it to happen. However, that didn't happen, so Kavinsky dies. Also, there's no more debate on Ronan's sexuality anymore. It's revealed quite clearly in the book that he's gay, and Maggie herself even said it right out to stop people from continuously denying that fact. Ronan is gay, and he's got a huge thing for Adam. His second secret is the secret that he doesn't talk about, doesn't think about, because it boils down to him being afraid of rejection. It says clear as day that his second secret is Adam. That's that, and anyone that's /still/ in denial about that....well, read Blue Lily, Lily Blue. In fact, if you've read Raven Boys and Dream Thieves, definitely read Blue Lily, Lily Blue. A lot of things that need further explanation in Dream Thieves, are elaborated on in Blue Lily, Lily Blue. If you must take at least one thing from this book, the /main/ point is this. Ronan Lynch had a good life, he had a great family, and he was happy with all of it. Then his father dies, his mother falls into what appears to be a coma, then his father's will comes out and Declan honors it to the letter, preventing him, Ronan, and Matthew from returning to their true home. To top it all off, Ronan is now, again, the /sole/ Greywaren, and Cabeswater is after him. Added to that is his whole thing with feeling ashamed that he's in love with Adam, and that he tried to replace Adam with Kavinsky, but realized that it was hopeless trying to push his feelings onto someone else, so he has to live with that shame of being in love with Adam, and having to see Adam fall for Blue, and realize that Adam may not return his feelings. If all of this happened to you, could you really blame Ronan for the way he acts? Could you not justify being as angry as he is, as /hurt/ as he is, so hurt that he has replaced any positive emotions with anger? You still get to see his inner struggles, revealing that the anger is a facade, it's his way of coping with everything that's happened, and is still going on. Please give Dream Thieves another chance, it's well worth it.
I know you wrote this ages ago, but I love your comment! You put perfectly into words why I love the book so much (the whole series really), but most importantly why Ronan is such an important, amazing and complex character.
With why Ronan was the main focus of this books I think it was to get to know Ronan more and it was also a lot of Ronan's growth happened in this book that lead him to what he does in some later books
CAN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE SEXUAL FRUSTRATION BETWEEN RONAN AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE DARN BOOK... OMG IT IS CRAY AND THAT CAR RACING SCENE WITH KAVINSKY AND THEN AFTER THE RACE... AND THEN THE PILL THING AND THEN BLUE AND GANSEY TOGETHER IN THE CAR AND THEN WHEN GANSEY GOT OUT AND THEN THEIR CHEEKS ONLY TOUCHED BUT IT WAS SO HOT
The Noah and blue kiss was adorable and I love Noah and I wish he was in this book more but I get if the lay line wasn’t working properly he wasn’t either But I love him 🥰
i have a very different opinion than you, I absolutely love maggie steivafater's (that was definitely spelled wrong) writing style and i loved this book. i do think the plot of this series in general is a little slow, and it takes me a long time to get through each book, but the whole time i'm reading i'm completely invested. i adore ronan's character and i really liked the mysteriousness and the subtleties we got from his point of view in this book. after finishing it though, i kind of feel like not a lot happened? there's so much buildup and development needed for the plot to actually go down which is cool cuz i like reading about it but I definitely wouldn't call it fast-paced. i also wish we got more of noah. i think my favorite character is adam even though he was so frustrating and heartbreaking in this book i just wanted to scream.
Omg I feel exactly the same way about the book!! I really like it but there is just something really tiring about it too. I think the issue is that the author goes off on tangents and neglects to nurture the primary hooks of the story (the Gansey/Blue relationship, Glendower quest and Blue telling Gansey that he is going to die). The tangents are all very interesting but when competing with the main hooks for air-time the reader just wants to move past them to get to main story line. At the same time I really like that this is not one of those books where the boy and girl completely shut everyone out and feed into an unhealthy relationship. Its a confusingly amazing but irritating series!!
My love for you're videos is so immense that sometimes I read books that you have book talks on just so I can watch you're discussion! You're such an inspiration! Thanks for making these amazing videos
My theory is that Glendower's spirit haunts Cabeswater and he saved Gansey in order to possess him. There are a lot of similarities between them too, like their ability to inspire loyalty. Didn't they mention that Glendower was attended by magicians? Kind of like how Gansey is always with Ronan, Adam, and Noah who all have mystical qualities to them. I keep worrying that Glendower is going to turn out to be evil and possess Gansey and Blue is going to have to kill him to stop Glendower.
Am I the only person who loves kavinsky and was actually sad when he died? I totally thought him and Ronan where gonna be a thing, I just loved his sense of humor and thought he could’ve redeemed himself in later books
Christine!!! Are you still planing on reading the next book blue lily lily blue?? (Oh my gosh! The blue flowers Ronan dreamt of and the ones at the barn! Coincidence!) please read the book and have a book talk!
+daddeezgirl626 actually in the first book at least he's in love with Gansey and crushing on Kavinsky. I'm only halfway through with book 2, but I could see his preoccupation with Adam not dying being a catalyst for him falling in love with him.
daddeezgirl626 well I know they end up together. I'm on Tumblr; it's impossible to keep almost any book secret there. But at least in the first book it reads like Ronan's crushing on Gansey. But it's also possible to crush on 2 people at the same time. In book 1 and part of book 2, Blue had a thing for Adam and Gansey until Adam pitched his little fit.
daddeezgirl626 finished book 2 and 3. So I revise my statement about Ronan and Gansey, but I think Ronan was totally pining for Kavinsky until Kavinsky went after peeps Ronan cared about. He just was ashamed of it. Otherwise why would he feel guilty all those times he looked at/thought about Kavinsky and his pulse spiked?
I adored this book. I'm confused by it a little and wish there was more character interaction sometimes, but I really am loving it. Gansey and Blue... Gah... Wish we could have seen more of that, but I ship them, definitely. Bring on Book 3... :)
I just finished this book and I am so glad to see in your video that I'm not the only one that finds myself reading the words but not actually absorbing them....but at the same time I'm really liking the story!!!!
I actually really love this book and I'm obsessed with the series. Ronan was one of my favorite characters so I loved that we got to focus on him this time around.
YOUR BOOKSHELF IS GOING CRAZYYYY :O I have the same feelings as you about this book , I didn't enjoy reading it but it was very interesting , I gave it 3 stars.
I totally get you. I fell in love with this series, I'm completely obsessed with it, but I agree that there are a lot of things that we don't understand yet. I love Maggie writing, but sometimes I felt a bit lost. Well, there are two more books, hopefully everything will come together.
AN UPDATED BOOKSHELF TOUR IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. it looked like this for like a day and now it's literally an exploded mess there are books all over my room and and my floor and my closet floor. *le sigh* it's not pretty
I really love Maggie's way of writing, really! I don't know; if you can really get into the way she writes, it isn't that bad. And I think that the whole Kavinsky-Ronan-you're-gay thing was because Kavinsky liked Ronan and Ronan was like "eew." And I really think that the reason Adam was so mad was because Gansey has everything Adam wants, and now he has Blue, too.
I personally really do like the series. It's really interesting, and I can't get enough of the characters. And I am really attached to all of them, and how they don't just have one side to them. I just really love the concept and characters. I don't know, it's honestly one of my favourite series. I don't know how to explain it, but I really do love it.
I agree with everything you’ve said. It’s such an interesting plot but like you said, I’m not just enthralled by it. The characters are fantastic and I’m excited to see where Ronan and Adam go. I want Blue to just let fate decide her relationship with Gansey, but I also don’t want him to die...
and also, I LOVED this book! I found the Raven Boys slow, but this seemed to pick right up and I got super into it. I've noticed these are better books to reread once you've already read it because there's so much going on, and I actually liked TRB a lot better when I reread it. definitely my favorite ongoing series right now. definitely.
Christine u have a new bookshelf!!?!?!?!!? YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!! CHRISTINE MAKE A NEW BOOKSHELF TOUR!!!! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! IT LOOKS SO DARN AWESOME!!!
Did you end up finishing the series? I am having all the same thoughts about these first two books and now I'm torn because I want to know what happens but I'm tortured by Maggie Stiefvater's writing style... Decisions!
......now I'm even more curious about this series, so because of you Christine, I shall check it out. Also, YOU GOT THE BURNING SKY! YAY! Is that a new bookcase I spy? You could do a book arranging video where you move your new books and/or old books into the two bookcases.
This was a great book talk! I agree with you. I'm hoping this is just a second book slump and things start coming together in the next one. Does anyone have any idea about when we can expect the third one to come out?
i'm always much nicer on the percentage scale because grades feel so real and judgy. But like i said a bagilliion times in this video, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT HOW I FEEL. XD when i was reading it I felt like it was a 3/5 and in perspective it's an 80%
my favorite book, aside from possibly the first. I loved hearing from Ronan, it was such a new and fresh perspective. Also, he has been one of my favorite characters for the past two years. I do understand it being confused, but I do, however, think it is intentional. can't wait to read the next one, Blue Lily, Lily Blue.
I know exactly what you mean about the love-hate thing. The more I think about the book AFTER reading, the more I like it, but as I'm in the midst of reading it I'm annoyed and want it to end. it's s weird that that happens. edit: apparently I commented this exact same thing like four months ago on my other account but I have no memory of that. Alas.
This book is great. I just loved it so much. Oh, and by the way I finally found out how the autor's name is pronaunced. It's Maggie Shtieffater. I think it's German, because in German Stiefvater means step-father!
Como a única não vidente em uma família bastante mediúnica, ela tivera o seu futuro contado repetidas vezes, e cada vez ele dizia que ela mataria o seu verdadeiro amor se tentasse beijá-lo. Além disso, fora previsto que ela se apaixonaria naquele ano. E tanto Blue quanto sua meia-tia vidente, Neeve, tinham visto um dos garotos caminhando ao longo do caminho invisível dos corpos agora em abril, o que significava que ele deveria morrer nos próximos doze meses. Tudo isso se encaixava em uma equação temível. Por ora, aquele garoto em particular,
Na teoria, Blue Sargent provavelmente mataria um daqueles garotos. - Jane ! - O grito veio do outro lado da colina. Era dirigido a Blue, embora Jane não fosse o seu nome verdadeiro. - Vamos!
I felt the same way about this book: it was definitely harder to relate to Ronan, and I prefer The Raven Boys because of Blue and Gansey's quirkiness in it. Hopefully, the last two books will be better!
I totally disagree with "getting into it". In the Raven Boys, I found that it took me 3/4 of the book to really get invested in it. But in the dream thieves, I was instantly hooked. And I also disagree with the cover; I prefer the dream thieves cover.
I absolutely adore Maggie Stiefvater's style, but I've noticed A LOT of people can't get into her either, and that what you were saying towards the end is true for a lot of people who read her books. I find it helps to not expect conclusions or endings or anything definite, and just sort of go with the storytelling more so than the story. I absolutely want more Blue/Gansey, but I'm kind of indifferent to Ronan/Adam...I don't really care for either of them that much as people.
I had a really hard time reading this book and I was actually going to stop at about 1/4 of it. So I came here and watched your video because I love your booktalks, and then you said Ronan was gay I was like "WHAT?!" (didn't see that coming) and I just had to finish it. I totally agree with the "I don't actually enjoy myself when reading it" part. But thanks to Ronan I enjoyed myself a little anyway. He is just such a complex and interesting character.
I was just curious if you ever finished this series and if so, what you thought of how everything ended. I felt the ending was very rushed and left me disappointed, though the concepts were still intriguing. What did you think?
I just finished the raven cycle, and I found the scenes of blue and gansey so few :(( I wanted more scenes with them but the series mainly focused on ronan and adam until the end. I really loved gansey and blue's relationship and I agree with Christine about wanting more scenes with them
I love ur book talks,u should read Kelly Armstrong's the Darkest Powers series. I absolutely love the darkest powers series!! It's my favorite after the mortal instruments series
I had a hard time reading the 1st book like you. Just the way she writes is hard to read for me. There was the audio book at my library and I got that for the last half of the 1st book and this one. I really loved Will Patton reading it to me. I am not one that likes audio books at all, but this one worked for me. It made the books better. With The Raven King coming out soon, maybe give it a try.
I was so tired when I was reading the last hundred pages but I was determined to finish the book, and the whole dragon/Ronan's dream monster fight was so confusing to my half awake brain xD
Basically my telepathic thoughts!! It was so frustrating at parts and so much more seemed like it could have evolved within it. I'm probably way off too but I'm sort of convinced the gray man will end up being Butternut with his whole "I never stay for long" bravado. Most likely not but you honestly never know with this series! Also laughed a good deal at the part when Ronan pushed Noah out the window, but other than that I agree is was definetly too serious.
I actually really liked this book! I am still really confused with the whole Adam thing, I think I am actually more confused with it now. What is happening to Maura? And the whole glen dower thing is still basically in the same spot as in the last book, BUT I LOVED ALL THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT it was so awesome! I love the characters! I'm excited for the next book, I feel like over the next two books more things might connect better and come together.
I thought the same thing about everything! Especially the interesting but hard to get into thing and the character developments and wanting more BLUExGANSEY!! I really hope the next book has some real BluexGansey action. Please review Blue Lily, Lily Blue!
I really really LOVED the Raven Boys and I did loved Ronan, so I think I will enjoy so much The Dream Thieves and I'm so EXCITED TO READ and OMG Ronan and Adam? HOLY SHIT I AM TOTALLY OK.WITH THISS!!!!! *run around* Ronan has a protective feelings by Adam since the first book! And is so sso sooo cute I can't... Xtine I love u 3 kisses from Brazil hohoho
Didn't Ronan throw Noah out a window?
I LOVE RONAN SO MUCH UHH
Yes and it was hilarious!!
I WAS LAUGHING SO MUCH THEN
my fav part of this book haha!
'YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD"
But OMGosh I love-love-love the scene where Gansey calls Blue at the party so he can hear what's happening in Henrietta. That was, to me, by far the best part of the book.
My favorite bit is when the Gangsey was fetching blue and she was wearing the dress shaped like a lamp shade and it said the bit about Ronan not liking lamps! Gold, my baby is so gay and he's in love with Adam
Ikr
I was a bit of a dingus and didn't notice all the very obvious hints in this book that he is gay. I think because so much happened I didn't notice the kinda more smaller details that addressed that. I did get that kinda spoiled for me while reading the 3rd or 4th. I didn't mind that I got it kinda spoiled that Ronan is gay but I also got who he ends up with spoiled. I would have liked to keep who he end up with a bit of a secrete and go through that journey with Ronan instead of already knowing that outcome
i find it really interesting that you found gansey and blue to be the most relatable - for me adam and ronan are the most relatable
Thats what I like about this series. There are so many different characters that anyone can relate to someone.
agreed, not a BIG fan of Gansey or Blue myself
I don’t think Kavinsky was a bad person. He got obsessed with power and could’ve been made redeemable in later books. He was just a kid and didn't know how to handle this much power. I get why he died but at the same time I feel he didn't have to. I kind of read the book like he and Ronan were going to be together bc it seemed obvious to me he liked Ronan (although after Blue Lily Lily Blue I ship Ronan and Adam)
Kavinsky wasn't really *bad* so much as too chaotic and self-destructive to be handled because by the time Ronan came along, Kavinsky was too angry and too much about himself vs the world in a way Ronan wasn't there yet, and he refused to step forward out of the deepest depths of his anger to be with Ronan. If Kavinsky had made that step, it might've worked, but he was too angry and afraid. :(
@@LAKnightAuthor Kavinsky was too chaotic. If he was more willing to change and not as destructive. I think Ronan and Kavisnky could have possibly had something for a bit but I don't think it would be good for them to be an endgame couple even if Kavinsky did calm down because they are a bit too similar and they wouldn't balance each other out. I also love Ronan and Adam ship so much. If Kavinsky had a redemption arc I would be so down for that
I think Ronan's for sure gay, I think he and Kavinsky were both attracted to each other
def
RONAN AND ADAM OTP
Anyway, I liked the The Dream Thieves more then The Raven Boys.....and I can't stop talking about how great the cover looks....we have very different opinions lol
I am 100% with you
I think I also like The Dream Thieves a bit more than the Raven Boys because it was more on the fantasy side and I loved getting to know Ronan more and see how complex of a character he is. I loved seeing the process of what happens when he dreams and going into his dreams
[spoilers for the dream thieves]
i fucking LOVED this book my favorite in this series so far, ronan is my favorite character probably although i love all the raven boys + blue
and also i LOOOOOVED kavinsky and i feel like almost EVERYONE hates him but i love him and I'm still not over his death
I watched the review on Raven Boys, and I was glad to see you liked it. I watched this review, since Dream Thieves is my favorite out of the series so far, and was disappointed that you didn't feel the same. It happens, to each their own.
However, I really, really think you missed the point of what this book was about. While some of the questions you have are answered in Blue Lily, Lily Blue, I'm going to go ahead and answer some of the things you mentioned that relate to Dream Thieves, so that you can better understand and hopefully you give this book another chance. This is also for everyone that is confused about this book.
(Also, it's GANsey, not GAINsey. It rhymes with "can". Very minor thing that bugged me.)
SPOILERS FOR DREAM THIEVES BEYOND THIS POINT:
When you said that you couldn't relate to Ronan because he was the main focus of the book, that's what made me believe you didn't quite catch /why/ he was the main focus of this book. It wasn't just so Maggie could develop his character for the readers to understand him better, but also to explain exactly what his role is in the big picture.
Ronan's father died because he was a Greywaren, and there were people like Greenmantle, and then the Gray Man, that thought the Greywaren was a thing, and not a person. With Niall Lynch dead, Ronan is the /sole/ Greywaren. As you read in Raven Boys, when they all discover Cabeswater, the trees repeat the word "Greywaren". In Dream Thieves, you find out it's Ronan that they're calling out to. You find out that Ronan has been "dreaming" of Cabeswater for most, if not all, of his life. For whatever reason, Cabeswater needs Ronan to do something. Cabeswater is basically the servant of Ronan, which is why Ronan can take things from there, from his "dreams".
Keeping on the subject of Cabeswater, the sacrifice Adam made was to become the "eyes and ears" of Cabeswater, which is to say he gave up his free will. His purpose is to make sure that Cabeswater stays around, so in a way, he is Cabeswater in human form. Cabeswater speaks to him, telling him where he needs to go to repair parts of the ley line. That's why Persephone gives him the tarot cards, so Adam can better understand what Cabeswater tells him. The "spirits" he sees are people in Cabeswater telling him that he needs to keep his end of the bargain, since he wasn't doing so until Persephone talks him through everything.
You mentioned thinking that since Aurora Lynch is a "dream thing", are the Lynch brothers all "dream things"? Everything Ronan dreamed up was made physical, they functioned as if they had always existed. When Ronan and the gang go back to the Barns, and find all the "dream things", with Ronan explaining how his father created all of these things, it makes sense that if Niall and Ronan can make "dreams" into realities, that means Aurora is an actual human being, and you can take it from there. Ronan himself asks that question once he discovers the truth about his mother, whether or not him, Declan, and Matthew are "dream things" or not. Then there's the line right after, where he says that they all have baby books, blood types, and that whole deal, and that since none of them fell asleep when Niall died, they must not be "dream things".
Then there's the deal with Kavinsky. Kavinsky reveals to Ronan that he himself is a Greywaren, but he has to take drugs in order to help bring things out of his dreams. You find out that Kavinsky is a "thief", and not a true Greywaren like Ronan is, which is why his own fire dragon creation kills him. Cabeswater knew Kavinsky wasn't a true Greywaren, so Cabeswater rebelled against him. It was strongly hinted that Kavinsky had some feelings for Ronan, but was under the assumption that Ronan had a thing for Gansey. Kavinsky was probably thinking that if Ronan and him were together, Cabeswater would allow Kavinsky to keep stealing things from it, since Ronan would just have to tell Cabeswater to allow it to happen. However, that didn't happen, so Kavinsky dies.
Also, there's no more debate on Ronan's sexuality anymore. It's revealed quite clearly in the book that he's gay, and Maggie herself even said it right out to stop people from continuously denying that fact. Ronan is gay, and he's got a huge thing for Adam. His second secret is the secret that he doesn't talk about, doesn't think about, because it boils down to him being afraid of rejection. It says clear as day that his second secret is Adam. That's that, and anyone that's /still/ in denial about that....well, read Blue Lily, Lily Blue. In fact, if you've read Raven Boys and Dream Thieves, definitely read Blue Lily, Lily Blue. A lot of things that need further explanation in Dream Thieves, are elaborated on in Blue Lily, Lily Blue.
If you must take at least one thing from this book, the /main/ point is this. Ronan Lynch had a good life, he had a great family, and he was happy with all of it. Then his father dies, his mother falls into what appears to be a coma, then his father's will comes out and Declan honors it to the letter, preventing him, Ronan, and Matthew from returning to their true home. To top it all off, Ronan is now, again, the /sole/ Greywaren, and Cabeswater is after him. Added to that is his whole thing with feeling ashamed that he's in love with Adam, and that he tried to replace Adam with Kavinsky, but realized that it was hopeless trying to push his feelings onto someone else, so he has to live with that shame of being in love with Adam, and having to see Adam fall for Blue, and realize that Adam may not return his feelings.
If all of this happened to you, could you really blame Ronan for the way he acts? Could you not justify being as angry as he is, as /hurt/ as he is, so hurt that he has replaced any positive emotions with anger? You still get to see his inner struggles, revealing that the anger is a facade, it's his way of coping with everything that's happened, and is still going on.
Please give Dream Thieves another chance, it's well worth it.
I know you wrote this ages ago, but I love your comment! You put perfectly into words why I love the book so much (the whole series really), but most importantly why Ronan is such an important, amazing and complex character.
This post cleared up a lot of my confusion with The Dream Thieves.
Cosplayer276 PREACHHHH and thanks for clearing some things up!!💕🙌🏻✨
With why Ronan was the main focus of this books I think it was to get to know Ronan more and it was also a lot of Ronan's growth happened in this book that lead him to what he does in some later books
tysm this cleared everything up for me but raven boys personally was more understanding
CAN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE SEXUAL FRUSTRATION BETWEEN RONAN AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE DARN BOOK... OMG IT IS CRAY AND THAT CAR RACING SCENE WITH KAVINSKY AND THEN AFTER THE RACE... AND THEN THE PILL THING AND THEN BLUE AND GANSEY TOGETHER IN THE CAR AND THEN WHEN GANSEY GOT OUT AND THEN THEIR CHEEKS ONLY TOUCHED BUT IT WAS SO HOT
The Noah and blue kiss was adorable and I love Noah and I wish he was in this book more but I get if the lay line wasn’t working properly he wasn’t either
But I love him 🥰
book two RONAN AND ADAM this this is what im here for love it, book two was SO much better for me than book one.
Yeah, it felt the same for me LOL
i have a very different opinion than you, I absolutely love maggie steivafater's (that was definitely spelled wrong) writing style and i loved this book. i do think the plot of this series in general is a little slow, and it takes me a long time to get through each book, but the whole time i'm reading i'm completely invested. i adore ronan's character and i really liked the mysteriousness and the subtleties we got from his point of view in this book. after finishing it though, i kind of feel like not a lot happened? there's so much buildup and development needed for the plot to actually go down which is cool cuz i like reading about it but I definitely wouldn't call it fast-paced. i also wish we got more of noah. i think my favorite character is adam even though he was so frustrating and heartbreaking in this book i just wanted to scream.
I love the Ronan Adam connection!!
What connection? I havent read the 2nd one yet :(((
Omg I feel exactly the same way about the book!! I really like it but there is just something really tiring about it too. I think the issue is that the author goes off on tangents and neglects to nurture the primary hooks of the story (the Gansey/Blue relationship, Glendower quest and Blue telling Gansey that he is going to die). The tangents are all very interesting but when competing with the main hooks for air-time the reader just wants to move past them to get to main story line. At the same time I really like that this is not one of those books where the boy and girl completely shut everyone out and feed into an unhealthy relationship. Its a confusingly amazing but irritating series!!
PLEASSSEEE do a review for Blue Lily, Lily Blue and The Raven King! I would love to hear your thoughts! Especially about the last book!!!
My love for you're videos is so immense that sometimes I read books that you have book talks on just so I can watch you're discussion! You're such an inspiration! Thanks for making these amazing videos
The weirdest thing I thought was a thing was I thought that Adam was going to get together with Persephone
My theory is that Glendower's spirit haunts Cabeswater and he saved Gansey in order to possess him. There are a lot of similarities between them too, like their ability to inspire loyalty. Didn't they mention that Glendower was attended by magicians? Kind of like how Gansey is always with Ronan, Adam, and Noah who all have mystical qualities to them.
I keep worrying that Glendower is going to turn out to be evil and possess Gansey and Blue is going to have to kill him to stop Glendower.
I totally ship Ronan and Adam lol!
HAVE YOU READ BLUE LILY LILY BLUE YET?? IT'S REALLY REALLY GREAT =D
Am I the only person who loves kavinsky and was actually sad when he died? I totally thought him and Ronan where gonna be a thing, I just loved his sense of humor and thought he could’ve redeemed himself in later books
Christine!!! Are you still planing on reading the next book blue lily lily blue?? (Oh my gosh! The blue flowers Ronan dreamt of and the ones at the barn! Coincidence!) please read the book and have a book talk!
Ronan is totally gay, and he is totally in love with Adam and it's beautiful!!#PYNCH!!!
+daddeezgirl626 actually in the first book at least he's in love with Gansey and crushing on Kavinsky. I'm only halfway through with book 2, but I could see his preoccupation with Adam not dying being a catalyst for him falling in love with him.
Cathryn Martin finish book 2 and you'll find out exactly how Ronan feels about him or in Ronans word what Gansey is to him...
daddeezgirl626 well I know they end up together. I'm on Tumblr; it's impossible to keep almost any book secret there. But at least in the first book it reads like Ronan's crushing on Gansey. But it's also possible to crush on 2 people at the same time. In book 1 and part of book 2, Blue had a thing for Adam and Gansey until Adam pitched his little fit.
Cathryn Martin Just finish book 2. Trust me, a totally stranger. But a totally stranger that is currently reading the last book...
daddeezgirl626 finished book 2 and 3. So I revise my statement about Ronan and Gansey, but I think Ronan was totally pining for Kavinsky until Kavinsky went after peeps Ronan cared about. He just was ashamed of it. Otherwise why would he feel guilty all those times he looked at/thought about Kavinsky and his pulse spiked?
I adored this book. I'm confused by it a little and wish there was more character interaction sometimes, but I really am loving it. Gansey and Blue... Gah... Wish we could have seen more of that, but I ship them, definitely. Bring on Book 3... :)
I just finished this book and I am so glad to see in your video that I'm not the only one that finds myself reading the words but not actually absorbing them....but at the same time I'm really liking the story!!!!
FINALLY I'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE I FINISHED THE BOOK
I love the complexities of this series. I love how there is 'more than one puzzle.' Gets me thinking.
I actually really love this book and I'm obsessed with the series.
Ronan was one of my favorite characters so I loved that we got to focus on him this time around.
the battle at the end felt like a digimon battle 😂
Please read the rest of the series
Girl that bookshelf of yours is going CRAAZY!
I've been waiting for this!
YOUR BOOKSHELF IS GOING CRAZYYYY :O
I have the same feelings as you about this book , I didn't enjoy reading it but it was very interesting , I gave it 3 stars.
I have a feeling that in the next book the Raven Boys and Blue will find out that Blue's father is actually Glendower
Noah is so cute! He’s hilarious 😂
I totally get you. I fell in love with this series, I'm completely obsessed with it, but I agree that there are a lot of things that we don't understand yet. I love Maggie writing, but sometimes I felt a bit lost. Well, there are two more books, hopefully everything will come together.
AN UPDATED BOOKSHELF TOUR IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. it looked like this for like a day and now it's literally an exploded mess there are books all over my room and and my floor and my closet floor. *le sigh* it's not pretty
I really love Maggie's way of writing, really! I don't know; if you can really get into the way she writes, it isn't that bad. And I think that the whole Kavinsky-Ronan-you're-gay thing was because Kavinsky liked Ronan and Ronan was like "eew." And I really think that the reason Adam was so mad was because Gansey has everything Adam wants, and now he has Blue, too.
I personally really do like the series. It's really interesting, and I can't get enough of the characters. And I am really attached to all of them, and how they don't just have one side to them. I just really love the concept and characters. I don't know, it's honestly one of my favourite series. I don't know how to explain it, but I really do love it.
Ronan is my favorite charecter of the whole book!!!!! I love him, like Loe from heros of olympus
Ugh I'm so in love with these books.
I agree with everything you’ve said. It’s such an interesting plot but like you said, I’m not just enthralled by it. The characters are fantastic and I’m excited to see where Ronan and Adam go. I want Blue to just let fate decide her relationship with Gansey, but I also don’t want him to die...
and also, I LOVED this book! I found the Raven Boys slow, but this seemed to pick right up and I got super into it. I've noticed these are better books to reread once you've already read it because there's so much going on, and I actually liked TRB a lot better when I reread it. definitely my favorite ongoing series right now. definitely.
Christine u have a new bookshelf!!?!?!?!!? YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!
CHRISTINE MAKE A NEW BOOKSHELF TOUR!!!! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! IT LOOKS SO DARN AWESOME!!!
You are my favourite booktuber ever i've watched ALL of your videos
Did you end up finishing the series? I am having all the same thoughts about these first two books and now I'm torn because I want to know what happens but I'm tortured by Maggie Stiefvater's writing style... Decisions!
I just finished The Dream Thieves, I feel exactly the same about the series. I didn't really ENJOY reading it, but I'm sort of interested...
......now I'm even more curious about this series, so because of you Christine, I shall check it out. Also, YOU GOT THE BURNING SKY! YAY! Is that a new bookcase I spy? You could do a book arranging video where you move your new books and/or old books into the two bookcases.
This was a great book talk! I agree with you. I'm hoping this is just a second book slump and things start coming together in the next one. Does anyone have any idea about when we can expect the third one to come out?
I'm really curious if you've read Blue Lily Lily Blue and The Raven King. The series does get so much better after The Dream Thieves
i'm always much nicer on the percentage scale because grades feel so real and judgy. But like i said a bagilliion times in this video, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT HOW I FEEL. XD when i was reading it I felt like it was a 3/5 and in perspective it's an 80%
PLEASE DO BLUE LILY LILY BLUE
my favorite book, aside from possibly the first. I loved hearing from Ronan, it was such a new and fresh perspective. Also, he has been one of my favorite characters for the past two years. I do understand it being confused, but I do, however, think it is intentional. can't wait to read the next one, Blue Lily, Lily Blue.
I love Mathew so much he is such a precious bean
I fell the same way...I takes me forever to get into the books! And I love how she's developing the characters.
i got this book today and can't wait to read it!!!
Are you going to do a review of Blue Lily, Lily Blue?
I know exactly what you mean about the love-hate thing. The more I think about the book AFTER reading, the more I like it, but as I'm in the midst of reading it I'm annoyed and want it to end. it's s weird that that happens.
edit: apparently I commented this exact same thing like four months ago on my other account but I have no memory of that. Alas.
This book is great. I just loved it so much. Oh, and by the way I finally found out how the autor's name is pronaunced. It's Maggie Shtieffater. I think it's German, because in German Stiefvater means step-father!
Please read the third book! THE 4th and final book was just released! Please it was amazing! Please read the third book and do the review.
When are you going to read Blue Lily, Lily Blue?
Como a única não vidente em uma família bastante mediúnica, ela tivera o seu futuro contado repetidas vezes, e cada vez ele dizia que ela mataria o seu verdadeiro amor se tentasse beijá-lo. Além disso, fora previsto que ela se apaixonaria naquele ano. E tanto Blue quanto sua meia-tia vidente, Neeve, tinham visto um dos garotos caminhando ao longo do caminho invisível dos corpos agora em abril, o que significava que ele deveria morrer nos próximos doze meses. Tudo isso se encaixava em uma equação temível. Por ora, aquele garoto em particular,
Na teoria, Blue Sargent provavelmente mataria um daqueles garotos. - Jane ! - O grito veio do outro lado da colina. Era dirigido a Blue, embora Jane não fosse o seu nome verdadeiro. - Vamos!
I love this series
I felt the same way about this book: it was definitely harder to relate to Ronan, and I prefer The Raven Boys because of Blue and Gansey's quirkiness in it. Hopefully, the last two books will be better!
Loved this book by the way is there gonna be a video about who won the contest
i saw your burning sky book in the back round
omg i love that book it is 1 of my favorite books of 2013
I loved this book so much
So would you give the book 60% (3/5 converted to a percentage) or 80% (which is 4/5 when converted to a fraction)?
I loved The Dream Thieves a lot more than I did The Raven Boys 3
I totally disagree with "getting into it". In the Raven Boys, I found that it took me 3/4 of the book to really get invested in it. But in the dream thieves, I was instantly hooked. And I also disagree with the cover; I prefer the dream thieves cover.
11:00 I also thought that for a bit as well when I read it. I was like did she like fully kill him by kissing him
I absolutely adore Maggie Stiefvater's style, but I've noticed A LOT of people can't get into her either, and that what you were saying towards the end is true for a lot of people who read her books. I find it helps to not expect conclusions or endings or anything definite, and just sort of go with the storytelling more so than the story.
I absolutely want more Blue/Gansey, but I'm kind of indifferent to Ronan/Adam...I don't really care for either of them that much as people.
Where’s ur blue lily book talk?
I had a really hard time reading this book and I was actually going to stop at about 1/4 of it. So I came here and watched your video because I love your booktalks, and then you said Ronan was gay I was like "WHAT?!" (didn't see that coming) and I just had to finish it.
I totally agree with the "I don't actually enjoy myself when reading it" part.
But thanks to Ronan I enjoyed myself a little anyway. He is just such a complex and interesting character.
You are the best person on TH-cam and I totally agree
I was just curious if you ever finished this series and if so, what you thought of how everything ended. I felt the ending was very rushed and left me disappointed, though the concepts were still intriguing. What did you think?
I just finished the raven cycle, and I found the scenes of blue and gansey so few :(( I wanted more scenes with them but the series mainly focused on ronan and adam until the end. I really loved gansey and blue's relationship and I agree with Christine about wanting more scenes with them
i can't believe this is your least favorite book in the series it's my absolute favorite this is crazy its so beautiful
this book was my fave in the series so far omg it made ronan my fave raven boy too
by the by did u go to the book festival here in boston? She came and gave a good talk along with the author of cinder
Can you do an updated bookshelf tour?!;)
I love ur book talks,u should read Kelly Armstrong's the Darkest Powers series. I absolutely love the darkest powers series!! It's my favorite after the mortal instruments series
I had a hard time reading the 1st book like you. Just the way she writes is hard to read for me. There was the audio book at my library and I got that for the last half of the 1st book and this one. I really loved Will Patton reading it to me. I am not one that likes audio books at all, but this one worked for me. It made the books better. With The Raven King coming out soon, maybe give it a try.
I was so tired when I was reading the last hundred pages but I was determined to finish the book, and the whole dragon/Ronan's dream monster fight was so confusing to my half awake brain xD
have you read blue lily lily blue yet? if so when will you do a book talk
I just finished this book last night and I didn't love it quite as much as The Raven Boys, but I still am dying for the next book.
You should read Pure and tell us about it, I'm having trouble getting past the beginning IT'S SO SLOW but I dunno if it's worth going deeper....
This has nothing to do with this video but I'm DYING to see a book talk on Champion!!! OMG OMG OMG
When are you going to announce the winners of the giveaway?
Have you read Half Blood by Jennifer L Armentrout?? Please do a book talk it's sooo good!!
When are you going to make another Vampire Diaries discussion video?
Basically my telepathic thoughts!! It was so frustrating at parts and so much more seemed like it could have evolved within it. I'm probably way off too but I'm sort of convinced the gray man will end up being Butternut with his whole "I never stay for long" bravado. Most likely not but you honestly never know with this series! Also laughed a good deal at the part when Ronan pushed Noah out the window, but other than that I agree is was definetly too serious.
I actually really liked this book! I am still really confused with the whole Adam thing, I think I am actually more confused with it now. What is happening to Maura? And the whole glen dower thing is still basically in the same spot as in the last book, BUT I LOVED ALL THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT it was so awesome! I love the characters! I'm excited for the next book, I feel like over the next two books more things might connect better and come together.
I thought the same thing about everything! Especially the interesting but hard to get into thing and the character developments and wanting more BLUExGANSEY!! I really hope the next book has some real BluexGansey action. Please review Blue Lily, Lily Blue!
Gansey is the main reason I read this series so I can't wait until the book that centers around him (which will probably be the last)
I really really LOVED the Raven Boys and I did loved Ronan, so I think I will enjoy so much The Dream Thieves and I'm so EXCITED TO READ and OMG Ronan and Adam? HOLY SHIT I AM TOTALLY OK.WITH THISS!!!!! *run around* Ronan has a protective feelings by Adam since the first book! And is so sso sooo cute I can't...
Xtine I love u 3 kisses from Brazil hohoho
please do a video on
"the selection" movie cast.
i dont think they casted the right person for maxon.
READ BLUE LILY LILY BLUE PLEASE IT WAS MY FAVORITE OUT OF THE SERIES