At the age of 12 in 1988 I wasn't even allowed to leave the cul-de-sac where I lived with my parents. I wasn't allowed to be walking the streets or hanging about on street corners let alone be carrying knives and machetes. Then people try to tell me that this country hasn't changed. What a load of garbage. This country has gone way downhill since my childhood.
We don't know when but we will see the last day of the remnants of this society and the civilisation Europe has built. Just like all that have come and gone before. It's a cycle. It's already happening.
No Cane , no Capital Punishment, No Stop and Search ,no fear of the consequences of misbehaviour in schools , . .How's that for a start as to why our country is going down the toilet ?
So your answer to CHILDREN becoming lost to society (because society and adults have failed them) is to be violent to children.🙄 Would you like to be beaten? If you lie to your boss and they find out would you be ok with them beating you?
No. Because then you set a precedent which means ALL Minors caught up in the legal system, whether victims or criminals can thereafter be named. Or did you not think of that? Did you think at all? Children are not named legally in such cases for a reason, and it is less to protect them than to protect others in the legal system. Problem is if you waive those protections for one, you waive them for ALL.... And before you argue, much of our legal system is set by PRECEDENT. You do something that sets a precedent. Allowing these two to be named sets that precedent for all, and that INCLUDES children who are being kept anonymous because they are at risk for example. I suggest you THINK before you demand....
@@alganhar1 It's a simple matter to permit the disclosure of the identities of under-age killers if convicted. Precedent? The tragic Jamie Bulger case. That demonstrated that, inter alia, the publication of the names of convicted killers has NO impact on other minor children charged with crimes.
Why are you surprised? The Bulger criminals were 10 and 11. There was a girl who was 10 Mary Belle and her pre teen accomplice who stalked and killed also. The asbo yobs who killed a homeless man. This has been going on for years. With and without machetes. It's sad but let's not act shocked.
I would agree with you in part. I have 4 children aged 14,17, 19 and 37. My 19 year old daughter is high functioning autistic and is kind to a fault, my 14 year old daughter is a little lazy madam with a thing for mascara and my 17 year old son is the comedian who'll bring his washing to the machine and run an errand at the drop of a hat. My 37 year old daughter has A-levels and a degree in science and is doing great in her career, but has the character and intent to get her sisters and brother put into the care system. You can't always lay the blame at the parents feet.
@@barryalangroves8759 For what reason? Then all children convicted of a crime would be known. That is wrong. Millions of people, adults, have committed crimes and their crime has not been 'named and shamed' in the media. Children under a certain age do not think like adults, they can make bad choices, why should they be punished for the rest of their lives for something they would not have done if they were older?
@@jennigee51 Perhaps parenting today requires more than just one approach? Perhaps parenting in a civilised society is actually more difficult than just pushing them out for benefits and shouldn't be left to the hopeless and useless? In less 'civilised' times, parenting skills may not have been as important, as misfits would have been quietly disposed of rather than 'rehabilitated' and 're-integrated'. We need to re-think what parenting is about and whether it really is a 'human right'.
Having drug dealing grandparents surely provided a stable and disciplined environment! Seriously, its an absolute disgrace and such unspeakable acts that should ensure thet never walk the streets again. No doubt the weaklings defending them will say they've changed in 10 years time and are contrite. God help us! Name them, now!!
And then you set precedent to force the naming of ALL children in the justice system, including those being protected. Way to go. People like you should THINK before espousing such crap. The anonymity of children in the Justice system is not just there to protect the guilty, its also there to protect the innocent and those at risk. By naming those two you set the precedent to naming ALL those who are innocent and at risk.... Way to go dipshit...
Should you then say, schools/teachers held to account as the child is at school more so than home! A child knows lets say, from the age of 10 what is right and wrong. Accountability is the childs responsibility 🤔
@crowmagpie and this why they are like they are people like you who think parents are not responsible for the kids they give birth to ,they had them they can frigging bring them .
Criminal damage they should be arrested. If you can be arrest for flying the British flag, then defacing a portrait of our king should be a sentence not a smack on the hand.
No apparently defacing is ok and actively encouraged as during serious covid lockdown with riots up and down country with encouragement of BJ as are currentnpro islamist rioting ..this govt has its agenda
The average life sentence here in the U.K. is twelve years, and yes, they will, when released be on a life licence. When this country decided to end capital punishment, the public were told that an imposed life sentence would be a whole life sentence, definitely not twelve years.
I agree but we were not however told what would happen to kids, because we never thought we'd have an issue like this. What do we do with kid like this when the most studied young criminals are Venables and Thompson, Venables has reoffended time and again, Thompson has been rehabilitated. What do we with youth offenders?
@@libertasdemocratiam887We treat them as adults in the courts if they commit crimes like adults. The youth offender prisons usually keep them until they're 21 then they go to the adult prisons.
The parents are what's gone wrong. Either lack of discipline, lack of a parent. People shoud have to take a suitability test before having kids. My adoptive mother had to 55 years ago.
You know what's gone wrong! No discipline in the home, no discipline in the schools. The boys should be named so that the parents and teachers can be shamed.
I had a wallop on both hands with a tawse, by a Scottish teacher when I was 13. I didn't repeat that particular misdemeanor and I can still feel that strap after 60 years!! 😢
Don't shame the teachers... they have their hands tied. They are not allowed to discipline and discipline policies in schools are not good enough. A childs personality is set by the age of 4. That means that it is set before they start school. It's the parents fault. I would imagine these boys teachers have had enough of them and are probably scared of the boys and the parents?!
It's easier for the parents when the kids go out for a few hrs, so they can avoid anything which might be hard work to stimulate their child's, so much laziness in this fucking country
Don’t blame the teacher. Discipline is the parents responsibility not teachers. I’ve got two boys 18 and 7 years both well behaved in school. My eldest hasn’t had a discipline report from school since he started primary till today. It all starts at home, parents need to discipline your kids stop trying to be their best friend.
Agree about parents needing to be held responsible for their children. Dog owners need a licence and are criminally responsible for their dogs’ behaviours. Same must apply to humans. There are no excuses that correct parenting could not have avoided. Enough of the “I didn’t know”. If your child is feral, or you have concerns, there are people, even police, you can call. If you don’t call or make contact with someone who could help you, you are equally culpable in their behaviour and should be equally responsible as their adult supervisor.
You'll get the bleeding heart liberals saying their parents were too busy working all hours to put food in their mouths. When the reality is the parents ( if the dad is still around ?) Are benefit bums.
@@Emporior. Or they could be hard working parents who work three jobs and don't have time to watch their teens 24/7. Blame the government. They create poverty. Child poverty is at 70%. Children learn there is no hope when they see their parents suffering endlessly. That's the problem.
I believe that in the case of the parents being charged in the United States for the gun attack, it was found that the parents had given this child a gun as a birthday gift. And had not kept it locked away from his random use. I believe the boy was around 6 or 7 years old and had indicated several times his intent might have been to kill. It was horrendous. The two parents did not even take responsibility or express regrets until it looked like they were going to be charged. I believe this child had given clear indications at school that he was obsessed with killing and the parents refused to pick up their kid and take him out of school for psychiatric evaluation. He had brought the gun in his backpack. It was, I believe, his teacher, whom he shot. His parents had taken him to a gun range to learn how to use the gun. When the crime happened, the parents did not make themselves available to be reached and seemed more interested in avoiding any responsibility being placed on them.
This is down to the parents of the two 12 year old's clearly they lack any discipline or have any parenting of any kind, a chaotic and dysfunctional upbringing. The parents need to be punished as well as the boys.
That's bull. You can't smack kids! You have to treat children from a very young age as respected personalities , give them love and feel of security and be a role model. So basically you as a parent have to be an example of how you want your children to behave. You are the role model so watch yourself constantly.
True dat. The recent 30 years, news mention names if they are native to the country, if they’re not, then no names. This distorted type of news has been going on for decades.
@@TheOcean777this is completely false. You Made this up with your own racist thoughts. Look at t he picture of the 2 boys who did the crime. They are not immigrants …
The fact there is no names makes it blindingly obvious. If it was white/European they would be named, full address, inside leg measurement, what they had for breakfast and ever website they have ever visited.
Pretty sure any normal kid who has good parents knows it's not normal or accepted to run around the streets with 15inch swords/knives killing people or having "beef"
Back in the mid 50s from the age of 8 my friends and I carried sheath knives and sometimes axes when rambling in the countryside or camping. Even in primary school most boys carried a penknife and teachers would often ask to borrow one. The shame if yours was not sharp. To my certain knowledge non of us stabbed anyone in my local area. I can't speak for those in the big towns and cities as I have always preferred living in small towns or villages. Later in the late 50s/early 60s I attended a local grammar school and we were able to take our knives for sharpening and air rifles for maintenance in the metal workshop. Again nobody was stabbed or shot. Were did society go wrong? At the age of 77 I am severely restricted by government in many activities that I once considered normal and harmless.
People like you and I registered our guns and observed proper safety regulations, and were tightly monitored. I don't think those people who are taking part in criminal activities and planning to maim and murder, will be legally obtaining and registering their weapons.
They checked to see what was the worst you could do without being deported. Go read what their internet searches were. Use the Ann Coulter method applied to the UK
Yes. Good old Brit brats. Let's not act like asbo was not formed off the back of the latter. Out of control British thugs with lowlife parents parents who threw bricks through Asian shop keepers windows, stolr copper and drank cheap cider whilst their children stole cars and joy rode. The selective amnesia and outrage is very indicative of the hypocrisy and deflections I have come to expect from some of the ignorant here. Mary Belle, The Bulger Monsters to name but a few.
Quite apart from any points, the sheer availability of machetes must be banned and the suppliers should be charged with joint responsibility for crimes committed.
What does that even mean ? There is no 'sheer availability ' machetes are a symbolic cultural thing. These are the children of the ppl who left Somalia, Nigeria etc.. mid 2000's were given a security ,a home, money and the chance of a future and chose to say 'thank you' by having kids they raised to behave in ways they would never dared dream of in their super strict homeland and apparently the rich tradition of butchering ppl with farming tools has been passed onto their kids intentionally because this same situation is happening in Canada Australia and across Europe..
@@ClaireGarrard why not! When 12 year olds go out and murder someone they are just like 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 (and even older) year olds who go out and murder someone, murder is murder, the end result being someone loses their life regardless of the perpetrators age. These kinds of people have no use in society anywhere!
I had a knife when I was twelve. I used it for cutting wood, rope, stuff when I was up in the woods or exploring etc. It was a tool. I would never have thought to or use it as a weapon. Those were clearly different times. Parenting and families are not the same anymore.
We had this game with the brazilian stabber being called white english by extremists on youtube. And of course the press pretebded that the Polish guy stabved to death was by a white racist youth. James obrien said farage had blood on his hands probably already knowing that the killer was a black youth. James thought it would be a few years before his id was given as he was i think 15 at the time. The id of these kids will out after the extremists on the left have continued to lie insinuations that they are white, then theyre be a single line when their ids are revealed.. this has gone on for decades, deptford fire, daminola, the list goes on for blaming whites for ethnic murders
One of the problems that no one seems to be addressing is the violent computer/ console games kids are either playing themselves or watching others including their parents play, they are being desensitised by the constant violence in them…… We all know the names of so many of these games & although they have age restriction on the cover, just like videos or dvd in the past kids will watch them…..
I'm pretty sure that was researched and found little correlation other than if they were already predisposed to mental health issues, I doubt these kids were indoors very often playing games unfortunately, most likely groomed into gangs.
You ppl have been blaming video games for nearly half a century now when the reality is games are bigger than music TV and the movie industry combined with hundreds of millions of ppl across the planet all playing the same games with no problems ! In fact the home of the most hardcore hyper violent games ,comics and general media come from one of the safest least violent most civilised countries on earth....And what did you lot blame when teddy boys, Mods, Rockers ,grebs and punks were slashing and stabbing each other during the 50/60/70/80's ? I bet a million quid you don't have the first clue about gaming culture
@@HULLGRAFFITI I am 50 years old & during my childhood there was nothing like the consoles or games like that of the last 20 years & nothing like the violence by the youth of today at each other. As for my own experience with gaming over the last 20 years or so , I have had a couple of ps consoles & computers etc so I’m not completely alien to it
Machetes? If that picture they showed was the murder weapons, those were two full on swords. Are the news people really that stupid to call those machetes? How in the world do two twelve year old boys walk down the street with those and nobody say anything?
You must be slow. A machete is a sword of type. Albeit an unrefined more wide bladed one. It pays to know what you are talking about. They are used internationally especially in the agricultural industry. The Caribbean ie West Indies use them. Are you stupid????? Armchair journalist or just a rebuttal for the sake of spouting off like a lot of cocky Brits?
A 12 year old male student started at our daughters school. On his first day, he went in with a knife, on the second day, he caused a fight with a grade 10 student, pulled his knife out, a teacher got involved and anded up getting punched. The police were called and took him away. Yesterday we found out he is being welcomed back to school. He had previously been expelled fron another school for the same behaviour, doesn't this sound similar?
Where is our army? The public AND the police, need REAL protection. Did these young boys ever have parents? Irresponsible or otherwise? How many people have to die before something is done to protect us all? Will the civil service stand in the way? I don't have the answers, but it's on the tory watch. Watched by the opposition labour party. They both have to go. TLDR - vote Reform and start praying.
You only have to go into your local supermarket and see how out of control some children are,their parents stand there and totally ignore what their doing as though it’s nothing to do with them. I really don’t know how teachers put up with some of these rowdy children. My granddaughter works in one of these school’s that cater for difficult children,they spit and kick out at her if things don’t go there way,I’ve got animals that don’t behave like that and these are ferrel kittens that adopted me after I fed them when they were starving, they sit quietly and patiently waiting for their food and they respond to a whistle at feeding time if I’m a little early feeding them,it’s amazing how they know the time that I feed them.
Afraid to walk through the streets now, anyone behind you, you jump in fright, name these so called kids, dont treat them like jamie bulgers'killers taken on holiday and to football matches,and actually spoiled, it is bad parenting , who are too busy to know what their kids are doing name them no hiding
Whats going on? Ans: You started punishing parents and teachers who disciplined their children!! And you took Bibles, prayers & moral studies out of schools for public appeasement!
Poor is no excuse!! Parents have a responsibility to know the thought process of their kids and behave like parents. If not, then their kids should go into care
3:56 the parents have nothing to do with this, because the parents have no way of enforcing this if the parents beat children it's a violation of their right. And what about kids who are raised by Foster or those kids who don't have parents.
You see the same pattern across the world. They never created their own civilization...but they're destroying ours. I'm sick of the bleeding-hearts making excuses for them.
Having worked with these type of children who were doing sentences longer than they have been alive and asked them what would deter them from walking around with a knife or killing another person. Most said if they faced the death penalty or incarcerated forever they might reconsider. The rest of them had a don't care kind of attitude and it was a case of either they get killed, or the other person does, so they would rather do the time and come out to restart their lives in their 40s. This country and the future of our children/grandchildren is doomed if sentences aren't toughened.
We live in the world our politicians have intentionally created,underclass poor,homeless,necessity of foodbanks,creating police state with undertrained constables,ignoring the electorates wishes etc.
Last year my small vegetable knife that I used daily ,finally after 10 years gave up, I tried to buy another on line, The hoops I had to jump through you would have thought I was a mass murderer, how did 12 year old get a Maschette? Someone has provided this.
Doesn't this story just epitomise how far this country has fallen. We must turn this around before this type of crime becomes common place. Time for our politicians to grow a pair. They've been turning a blind eye for far too long. Cowards.
Bring back some of Britain's long lost traditions like Capital Punishment = Gallows, Stocks ETC ETC, Why should the tax payers keep these individuals living in luxury gated apartments.
You can blame the government they've made it illegal to dicipline children, i got a good slap in the 90s if i was ever disrespectful, and i grew up and was working by the time i was 15 never been in prison, if were not allowed to discipline anymore then send them straight to the army maybe they will grow up then
This was the case in my country (Poland) in the 1980s. I was brought up in the belief that if I did something very wrong, my parents would also suffer the consequences. England is starting to become a failed country. It is getting worse and worse every year and apart from talking, nobody is doing ANYTHING about it. It's like the USA, access to guns and and regular crying and mourning.
No, look at this situation from a different perspective - the states where guns are allowed to the public have got a lot less crime because each criminal knows that people can have guns and shoot them back. More crime happens in states where people are winging about human rights and ban of the weapons. If we are people in the UK were allowed to have self protected weapons do you think that gay would not shoot that one in self-defence? Things are that the government is taking your basic right to defend yourself but criminals still got the weapons and always will be. And law very often on their side ....poor criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds......oh....
It's very obvious what's gone wrong. Poverty, tension, reduction in youth services, lack of hope, years of dreadful TV, Grand Theft Auto, etc. GTA literally features kids running through shopping centres with machetes; we have trained young people to see all this as normal. These games are our number one 'toys' - think about it. Our society - our whole society - has raised these children. Jail is a sign of a sick and failing society - it isn't a deterrent. We're capable of so much better than this.
Poverty does not make bad parenting.....parents who don't want responsibility make bad parents. The responsibility of parents has been taken away from them ...giving them free this and free that instead of making them work to keep families safe and well cared for.
You have clearly never ever even played a single GTA game ! Tell me 1 mission in any of the games that feature ' Kids running through shopping centres with machetes ' ?? You ppl have been blaming video games for nearly half a century now when the reality is games are bigger than music TV and the movie industry combined with hundreds of millions of ppl across the planet all playing the same games with no problems ! In fact the home of the most hardcore hyper violent games ,comics and general media come from one of the safest least violent most civilised countries on earth
Rap music has a lot to answer for. The soundtrack of their lives is the glorification of violent street crime. We'll never stop this now. Things have just gone too far.
2:44 - That's pretty interesting... If a dog attacks a member of the public, then the "owner" (or guardian) gets prosecuted, because the dog can't be held responsible, due to its limited level of intelligence. Well an underaged teen probably isn't held responsible, due to their limited level of intelligence, so maybe you're on to something.
I can promise you whatever they get for sentence it will NOT BE JUSTICE a young man's life has been taken, his family has a loss which is not fixable 🙏🏻
At the age of 12 in 1988 I wasn't even allowed to leave the cul-de-sac where I lived with my parents. I wasn't allowed to be walking the streets or hanging about on street corners let alone be carrying knives and machetes.
Then people try to tell me that this country hasn't changed. What a load of garbage. This country has gone way downhill since my childhood.
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You've never heard of Mary Bell? The kids that killed James Bulger? Myra Hindley and Ian Brady? Fred and Rose West?
@edaleman2758 The difference is back then murder was rare. Murder is far more common place in the UK in 2024 than 1974 !
Punishments don't suit the crime in my opinion. The law needs to be changed and punishments should too. Life should be life as it is in USA.
We don't know when but we will see the last day of the remnants of this society and the civilisation Europe has built. Just like all that have come and gone before. It's a cycle. It's already happening.
And you wonder why there is a shortage of teachers,,, who in their right mind would want to work with kids like this.
Exactly, you got the point!
@xgreenjacket Thank you for sharing that! I exactly know what to do! 💖👍 Thank you!!!!!!
The parents should be held accountable
Kids even try killing teachers look at that girl in Wales
Is personal safety for teachers a problem in the UK?
I can guarantee these two had been in trouble for years before this murder. The social services do nothing until it is too late.
They were known to police..
Too true. But how much is due lack of/under trained staff
Lack of giving a shite@@tonyburgham4322
@@tonyburgham4322more like they can’t do the job because they’ve got to tick every box for fear of “offending”.
No blame for social services here 😂 just typical white useless evil degenerates along with their family and community
No Cane , no Capital Punishment, No Stop and Search ,no fear of the consequences of misbehaviour in schools , . .How's that for a start as to why our country is going down the toilet ?
in the west usa has the most of that and by far have the most problems out of them all so not the solution
So your answer to CHILDREN becoming lost to society (because society and adults have failed them) is to be violent to children.🙄
Would you like to be beaten?
If you lie to your boss and they find out would you be ok with them beating you?
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The OP enjoys violence against children. 🙄
There is stop and search in the UK you d**bass.
Banning American TV would be a good solution. Kids have always wanted to copy the sht that goes on in the states.
Damn right. Name them. 12 YEARS OLD??? WTF???
No. Because then you set a precedent which means ALL Minors caught up in the legal system, whether victims or criminals can thereafter be named. Or did you not think of that? Did you think at all?
Children are not named legally in such cases for a reason, and it is less to protect them than to protect others in the legal system. Problem is if you waive those protections for one, you waive them for ALL....
And before you argue, much of our legal system is set by PRECEDENT. You do something that sets a precedent. Allowing these two to be named sets that precedent for all, and that INCLUDES children who are being kept anonymous because they are at risk for example.
I suggest you THINK before you demand....
@@alganhar1 It's a simple matter to permit the disclosure of the identities of under-age killers if convicted. Precedent? The tragic Jamie Bulger case. That demonstrated that, inter alia, the publication of the names of convicted killers has NO impact on other minor children charged with crimes.
Why are you surprised? The Bulger criminals were 10 and 11. There was a girl who was 10 Mary Belle and her pre teen accomplice who stalked and killed also. The asbo yobs who killed a homeless man. This has been going on for years. With and without machetes. It's sad but let's not act shocked.
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Nope name picture and shame!
The parents should be prosecuted.
One lived with its grandmother.
@@nikkijayne4451who dealt cocaine funnily enough
@@nikkijayne4451 Her too
I would agree with you in part. I have 4 children aged 14,17, 19 and 37. My 19 year old daughter is high functioning autistic and is kind to a fault, my 14 year old daughter is a little lazy madam with a thing for mascara and my 17 year old son is the comedian who'll bring his washing to the machine and run an errand at the drop of a hat. My 37 year old daughter has A-levels and a degree in science and is doing great in her career, but has the character and intent to get her sisters and brother put into the care system. You can't always lay the blame at the parents feet.
@@nikkijayne4451 jail the old bat. only joking. i lived with my gran and i was a rouge. i never hurt anyone though.
Name them and shame their parents who are responsible
They will get protection because of their age a scandal!
Wont be fathers
What a load of bs. 🙄
Spot on totally agree with you
@@barryalangroves8759
For what reason?
Then all children convicted of a crime would be known. That is wrong.
Millions of people, adults, have committed crimes and their crime has not been 'named and shamed' in the media.
Children under a certain age do not think like adults, they can make bad choices, why should they be punished for the rest of their lives for something they would not have done if they were older?
Poor parenting is the root cause of all this.
THE PARENTS WERE ALSO BRAINWASHED BY THEIR PARENTS WAKE UP PEOPLE WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE WE JUST DONT KNOW THEIR NAMES
Not necessarily, one child, out of other very well behaved children, can be the only one who’s bad, how can you blame the parents in that case!!?
@@jennigee51 Perhaps parenting today requires more than just one approach? Perhaps parenting in a civilised society is actually more difficult than just pushing them out for benefits and shouldn't be left to the hopeless and useless? In less 'civilised' times, parenting skills may not have been as important, as misfits would have been quietly disposed of rather than 'rehabilitated' and 're-integrated'. We need to re-think what parenting is about and whether it really is a 'human right'.
And as a PS, accepting that it was something that could be done by a single parent was also a big mistake.
More like no parenting.
The parents were held guilty for "procurement" of the firearm for him despite the fact that they knew he had uttered intentions to kill people
Where TF does a 12 year old get a machete from?
Gangs!
Probably his gang leader!
I didn't even know what a machete was when I was 12.
@myeye.6462and it’s all thanks to Tony Blair and every progressive out there who took away the rights of parents and replaced Dads with benefit books
I'll be honest all weapons on the street I reckon they are all from weapons galore you can get a 8" machete for £30 quid no verification
Having drug dealing grandparents surely provided a stable and disciplined environment! Seriously, its an absolute disgrace and such unspeakable acts that should ensure thet never walk the streets again. No doubt the weaklings defending them will say they've changed in 10 years time and are contrite. God help us! Name them, now!!
Name Them.
And then you set precedent to force the naming of ALL children in the justice system, including those being protected. Way to go. People like you should THINK before espousing such crap. The anonymity of children in the Justice system is not just there to protect the guilty, its also there to protect the innocent and those at risk. By naming those two you set the precedent to naming ALL those who are innocent and at risk....
Way to go dipshit...
Probably muhammed and muhammed
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@@danhurst9048the killers were black.
And the victim was Indian
There are people called psychopaths. They are born this way.
Wired like this genetically true. Add unstable criminal mum and absent incarcerated unstable dad...well what couldgo wrong
@@davidsadler7047only the best ones 😅
Nonsense
Sometimes people learn these things on social media
Satan possessed their parents as well as these kids. Its the End Times of satan.
The parents should be punished as well for raising up such a monsters....
We also need to take away comforts from prison.
Surely they can have a PS5
Bring back hard labour
@@bsleds4585 bring back Sheriff Lobo
Now unemployable FOR EVER. Get your wallet out taxpayers.
They will be out in 5 years and have the best education in the land what are you talking about
Unemployable For Ever! Wow i never thought of that. Talk about a bunch of deplorables,
Irredeemable. A miserable life for us all.
And a new identity
Forever is one word? Looks like you're unemployable too
@@SnesBox5 yeah good one shame its not my name now isnt it. Clown
Parents should be prosecuted for child neglect.
100%
Says the person with no children grown up yet. What a ridiculous and inexperienced statement 😂
Parents should also be punished
Why
Because they're 12 years old@@crowmagpie
@@ColonelCompton so why should their parents be responsible for their actions?
Should you then say, schools/teachers held to account as the child is at school more so than home! A child knows lets say, from the age of 10 what is right and wrong. Accountability is the childs responsibility 🤔
@crowmagpie and this why they are like they are people like you who think parents are not responsible for the kids they give birth to ,they had them they can frigging bring them .
Blame the parents when the stupid system doesn’t allow parents to properly discipline their children
😂😂. Discipline your children. Don't listen to officials in la la land .
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Absolutely.
Clearly the parents are to blame or a large part of the blame.. who the hell let's their 12 year old out dressed like that complete with a Bally..
What do u mean
Criminal damage they should be arrested. If you can be arrest for flying the British flag, then defacing a portrait of our king should be a sentence not a smack on the hand.
No apparently defacing is ok and actively encouraged as during serious covid lockdown with riots up and down country with encouragement of BJ as are currentnpro islamist rioting ..this govt has its agenda
Its the absolute lack of respect that strikes me. Not so much of th monarchy yet the historical artwork that it is, for all time
Once again this country demonstrates it's inability to make the punishment fit the crime. Life should be life!
Not for kids. They were only 12
They didn't act like children @@RogerMellie-yk3gw
@@exomake_mehorololo so what. They are children. Infants often don't act like children. Doesn't mean they should be treated as adults
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwwhen it costs someone’s life then yes they should be punished like adults.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwSo what should they get? A slap on the wrist?
The average life sentence here in the U.K. is twelve years, and yes, they will, when released be on a life licence. When this country decided to end capital punishment, the public were told that an imposed life sentence would be a whole life sentence, definitely not twelve years.
I agree but we were not however told what would happen to kids, because we never thought we'd have an issue like this. What do we do with kid like this when the most studied young criminals are Venables and Thompson, Venables has reoffended time and again, Thompson has been rehabilitated. What do we with youth offenders?
@@libertasdemocratiam887We treat them as adults in the courts if they commit crimes like adults. The youth offender prisons usually keep them until they're 21 then they go to the adult prisons.
@@thelastofus2872 Did Venables and Thompson?
12 year olds doing this what world do we live in 😢
yea just as horrific as 2 10 year olds murdering a toddler
I read that one of them was living with his grandmother no mention of mum and dad.
same world it's always been ....
We live in a world where kids have been given free rein to do what they like, and it’s not going to get any better!
The parents are what's gone wrong. Either lack of discipline, lack of a parent. People shoud have to take a suitability test before having kids. My adoptive mother had to 55 years ago.
I know plenty people with questionable parents that are not monsters! Whatever they find out it's never gonna be an excuse
@@exomake_mehorololo I see. So the figures for single parent blacks and juvenile criminality is due to what?
Imagine what it's going to be like in this country in 10 years once we're even more culturally enriched.
"Culturally enriched," interesting. 😅
Most likely there will be a civil war caused entirely due to the incompetence and arrogance of the politicians who have facilitated this mess.
Your cultural enrichment stops at fake bake and black hair dyes 😂😂😂
This will lead to civil war caused by the incompetence and arrogance of the politicians who have facilitated this mess. Remember that!
This will lead to civil war caused by the incompetence and arrogance of the politicians who have facilitated this mess.
It's a lack of discipline and proper understanding of actions and consequences
Yes but if they were black they are more inclined to be violent.
You know what's gone wrong! No discipline in the home, no discipline in the schools. The boys should be named so that the parents and teachers can be shamed.
Why should the teachers be shamed ??? Their job is to TEACH & educate,not to parent.
I had a wallop on both hands with a tawse, by a Scottish teacher when I was 13. I didn't repeat that particular misdemeanor and I can still feel that strap after 60 years!! 😢
Don't shame the teachers... they have their hands tied. They are not allowed to discipline and discipline policies in schools are not good enough. A childs personality is set by the age of 4. That means that it is set before they start school. It's the parents fault. I would imagine these boys teachers have had enough of them and are probably scared of the boys and the parents?!
It's easier for the parents when the kids go out for a few hrs, so they can avoid anything which might be hard work to stimulate their child's, so much laziness in this fucking country
Don’t blame the teacher. Discipline is the parents responsibility not teachers. I’ve got two boys 18 and 7 years both well behaved in school. My eldest hasn’t had a discipline report from school since he started primary till today. It all starts at home, parents need to discipline your kids stop trying to be their best friend.
Things are getting out of hand in our country
Getting?
And its not just Britain.
"GETTING" !!? 😯😳😨
We know who likes machetes
White Europeans
@@run2cat4runb
White europeans
Why do you assume is immigrants. Two baby killers were English.
It is Birmingham. Also nobody mentioned immigrants.
Agree about parents needing to be held responsible for their children. Dog owners need a licence and are criminally responsible for their dogs’ behaviours. Same must apply to humans. There are no excuses that correct parenting could not have avoided. Enough of the “I didn’t know”. If your child is feral, or you have concerns, there are people, even police, you can call. If you don’t call or make contact with someone who could help you, you are equally culpable in their behaviour and should be equally responsible as their adult supervisor.
You'll get the bleeding heart liberals saying their parents were too busy working all hours to put food in their mouths. When the reality is the parents ( if the dad is still around ?) Are benefit bums.
It should be the parents who are charged. Who lets their 12 year old son out at night, they should be in bed?
These kids are feral members of gangs!
I wonder if the police see them and bring them in/home or do they drive on?
Some children cannot be disciplined by weak parents.
they’re parents could be drug addicts or alcohol abusers so there is barely any discipline
@@Emporior.
Or they could be hard working parents who work three jobs and don't have time to watch their teens 24/7.
Blame the government. They create poverty. Child poverty is at 70%. Children learn there is no hope when they see their parents suffering endlessly.
That's the problem.
I believe that in the case of the parents being charged in the United States for the gun attack, it was found that the parents had given this child a gun as a birthday gift. And had not kept it locked away from his random use. I believe the boy was around 6 or 7 years old and had indicated several times his intent might have been to kill. It was horrendous. The two parents did not even take responsibility or express regrets until it looked like they were going to be charged. I believe this child had given clear indications at school that he was obsessed with killing and the parents refused to pick up their kid and take him out of school for psychiatric evaluation. He had brought the gun in his backpack. It was, I believe, his teacher, whom he shot. His parents had taken him to a gun range to learn how to use the gun. When the crime happened, the parents did not make themselves available to be reached and seemed more interested in avoiding any responsibility being placed on them.
I'm not being funny but if there big enough to do something as horrific as this bloody name, shame and let the public see who they are.
This is down to the parents of the two 12 year old's clearly they lack any discipline or have any parenting of any kind, a chaotic and dysfunctional upbringing. The parents need to be punished as well as the boys.
This is what no smacking has done and letting in the uncivilised Lessons never learned Change your leaders. vote REFORM.
sorry this is garbage!!! you don't have to abuse your children in order to teach right from wrong! I know more violent people who were smacked
That's bull. You can't smack kids! You have to treat children from a very young age as respected personalities , give them love and feel of security and be a role model. So basically you as a parent have to be an example of how you want your children to behave. You are the role model so watch yourself constantly.
Nah. I don't like racism
@@luz9979 Dislipen! Children in the fifties behaved better than they are today.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw Children will copy what they see even on our streets.
We know why they won't be named
Exactly the great cover up of what a multi cultural society actually brings.
True dat. The recent 30 years, news mention names if they are native to the country, if they’re not, then no names. This distorted type of news has been going on for decades.
@@TheOcean777this is completely false. You
Made this up with your own racist thoughts.
Look at t he picture of the 2 boys who did the crime. They are not immigrants …
The fact there is no names makes it blindingly obvious. If it was white/European they would be named, full address, inside leg measurement, what they had for breakfast and ever website they have ever visited.
@@djjestermark you can actually see what they look like from some pics. You are completely wrong. It’s the opposite of what u think
Diversity being embraced.
Are native British criminals like Jimmy Saville, Wayne Cozens, Levi Belfield and more part of the diversity too?
What does that have to do with anything ? The 12 year olds were white. You’re just a racist pig
U do know them 2 little bastard's are Caucasian?
@@janeilsley7702how would you know that?... there's been a complete shutdown on information regarding these two little animals!!!
@@englanduk6131it hasn’t. There are pics.
I think the death penalty should be reinstated.
This is where we are. Peter b speaks so much sense this is how a police should be now
Since when did poor parenting cause a child to even think of such an act? This is on a completely different level.
💯 thus is poor parenting.
You must have lived a sheltered life.
Pretty sure any normal kid who has good parents knows it's not normal or accepted to run around the streets with 15inch swords/knives killing people or having "beef"
Import third world values, get third world values. It's easier to destroy than to build.
venebles and thompson were named
And they were even younger
Different colour 😂
@@harold6863Wrong. 🤡
And then freed later with new identities.
@@MauriceDunstanto commit more crimes under new aliases
Do we all feel enriched? That's what Tony Blair said
I hope you eat your racist words when it comes out that the culprits are white and from broken homes.I'll bet you anything you want.
There bastards kids are yt. They’re your people not imported immigrants that do the jobs that the English are too lazy to do
12 years old! Ffs how bad can things get!
If you bring in third world people with third world values and customs you will end up with a third world country
What about James Bulgers killers?
Babies with bazookas?
If they think they are old enough & hard enough to use weapons which isnt hard at all then they should be named & shamed
Youngest since the 10 year old murderers of James Bulger. 1993.
Back in the mid 50s from the age of 8 my friends and I carried sheath knives and sometimes axes when rambling in the countryside or camping. Even in primary school most boys carried a penknife and teachers would often ask to borrow one. The shame if yours was not sharp. To my certain knowledge non of us stabbed anyone in my local area. I can't speak for those in the big towns and cities as I have always preferred living in small towns or villages. Later in the late 50s/early 60s I attended a local grammar school and we were able to take our knives for sharpening and air rifles for maintenance in the metal workshop. Again nobody was stabbed or shot.
Were did society go wrong? At the age of 77 I am severely restricted by government in many activities that I once considered normal and harmless.
People like you and I registered our guns and observed proper safety regulations, and were tightly monitored.
I don't think those people who are taking part in criminal activities and planning to maim and murder, will be legally obtaining and registering their weapons.
I'm getting the word's "non white"
I thought they were white?
@@bevbreeze-stancliffe7514 rhymes with black
@@bevbreeze-stancliffe7514They are one is Irish one is a Jewish American
@@drhfuhruhurr4253 eh?
@@drhfuhruhurr4253 sack?
Should be life in the prison
No it shouldn't. They kids
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwLethal injection 💉
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw So, what should happen then. You keep saying this but there has to be a punishment
Everyone thinking they are gangsters is the problem
Old enough to do the crime, old enough to be named and shamed
I remember when parents were told that they weren't allowed to smack their children... I thought then that it wouldn't end well...
No real discipline anymore!
Sadly life licence means they can’t leave the country, that’s a shame.
With a machete? Were they even Anglosaxons?
I've heard it was racially motivated and whites weren't involved.
They checked to see what was the worst you could do without being deported. Go read what their internet searches were.
Use the Ann Coulter method applied to the UK
Yes. Good old Brit brats. Let's not act like asbo was not formed off the back of the latter. Out of control British thugs with lowlife parents parents who threw bricks through Asian shop keepers windows, stolr copper and drank cheap cider whilst their children stole cars and joy rode. The selective amnesia and outrage is very indicative of the hypocrisy and deflections I have come to expect from some of the ignorant here. Mary Belle, The Bulger Monsters to name but a few.
Yes, they were yt
@@JoeMama-rf6ys Is that Young Turks
Quite apart from any points, the sheer availability of machetes must be banned and the suppliers should be charged with joint responsibility for crimes committed.
Go down this line and you'll have to ban all knives. The most common knives used in knife crime are the 6in kitchen knife, and the Stanley Knife.
What a load of rubbish I use them for garden work and bushcraft and I’ve never so much harmed a fly with one.
What does that even mean ? There is no 'sheer availability ' machetes are a symbolic cultural thing. These are the children of the ppl who left Somalia, Nigeria etc.. mid 2000's were given a security ,a home, money and the chance of a future and chose to say 'thank you' by having kids they raised to behave in ways they would never dared dream of in their super strict homeland and apparently the rich tradition of butchering ppl with farming tools has been passed onto their kids intentionally because this same situation is happening in Canada Australia and across Europe..
Anyone can make a machete, a spear, a blade...
If they are old enough to be committing crimes, then they are old enough to be named and shamed
Death Penalty needs to be re considered. REFERENDUM PLEASE.
Not for 12-year-olds. We have advanced since mediaeval times.
@@ClaireGarrard why not! When 12 year olds go out and murder someone they are just like 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 (and even older) year olds who go out and murder someone, murder is murder, the end result being someone loses their life regardless of the perpetrators age. These kinds of people have no use in society anywhere!
calm down Adolf
@@ClaireGarrardwhy should these monsters get a second chance in life?
I’ll be real if your 19 years old and you can’t defend yourself from two 12 year olds how’s that even happened
Why are the parents not being prosecuted?
You have to search hard to find a report on the BBC news in certain cases.
I had a knife when I was twelve. I used it for cutting wood, rope, stuff when I was up in the woods or exploring etc. It was a tool. I would never have thought to or use it as a weapon. Those were clearly different times. Parenting and families are not the same anymore.
Aren't machetes allowed for yardwork???????
If illegal, where are they purchasing these machetes.????
The fact that they're not releasing pictures of the killers or mentioning their ethnicity, means we know what their ethnicity is.
White English
They have released pictures..they are white 🤦♂
We had this game with the brazilian stabber being called white english by extremists on youtube. And of course the press pretebded that the Polish guy stabved to death was by a white racist youth. James obrien said farage had blood on his hands probably already knowing that the killer was a black youth. James thought it would be a few years before his id was given as he was i think 15 at the time. The id of these kids will out after the extremists on the left have continued to lie insinuations that they are white, then theyre be a single line when their ids are revealed.. this has gone on for decades, deptford fire, daminola, the list goes on for blaming whites for ethnic murders
Yeah. White British. 🙃
100% Guaranteed not white
This country will look like Bosnia by the end of the century.
It already does
One of the problems that no one seems to be addressing is the violent computer/ console games kids are either playing themselves or watching others including their parents play, they are being desensitised by the constant violence in them……
We all know the names of so many of these games & although they have age restriction on the cover, just like videos or dvd in the past kids will watch them…..
I'm pretty sure that was researched and found little correlation other than if they were already predisposed to mental health issues, I doubt these kids were indoors very often playing games unfortunately, most likely groomed into gangs.
You ppl have been blaming video games for nearly half a century now when the reality is games are bigger than music TV and the movie industry combined with hundreds of millions of ppl across the planet all playing the same games with no problems ! In fact the home of the most hardcore hyper violent games ,comics and general media come from one of the safest least violent most civilised countries on earth....And what did you lot blame when teddy boys, Mods, Rockers ,grebs and punks were slashing and stabbing each other during the 50/60/70/80's ? I bet a million quid you don't have the first clue about gaming culture
@@HULLGRAFFITI I am 50 years old & during my childhood there was nothing like the consoles or games like that of the last 20 years & nothing like the violence by the youth of today at each other.
As for my own experience with gaming over the last 20 years or so , I have had a couple of ps consoles & computers etc so I’m not completely alien to it
Machetes? If that picture they showed was the murder weapons, those were two full on swords. Are the news people really that stupid to call those machetes? How in the world do two twelve year old boys walk down the street with those and nobody say anything?
You must be slow. A machete is a sword of type. Albeit an unrefined more wide bladed one. It pays to know what you are talking about. They are used internationally especially in the agricultural industry. The Caribbean ie West Indies use them. Are you stupid????? Armchair journalist or just a rebuttal for the sake of spouting off like a lot of cocky Brits?
@SOULKEEPAHHi, were the youths or their parents, immigrants?
@@mwarner3409Nope
Trying living in Wolverhampton it's been a international war zone 4 10 years now
Little Britain is lost
A 12 year old male student started at our daughters school. On his first day, he went in with a knife, on the second day, he caused a fight with a grade 10 student, pulled his knife out, a teacher got involved and anded up getting punched. The police were called and took him away. Yesterday we found out he is being welcomed back to school. He had previously been expelled fron another school for the same behaviour, doesn't this sound similar?
Where is our army? The public AND the police, need REAL protection. Did these young boys ever have parents? Irresponsible or otherwise? How many people have to die before something is done to protect us all? Will the civil service stand in the way? I don't have the answers, but it's on the tory watch. Watched by the opposition labour party. They both have to go. TLDR - vote Reform and start praying.
The public needs to be armed, not robbed by inefficient enforcers
They always seem to protect the wrongens 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ The system is broken 🤨
They were 🥛
the perants should be prosecuted as well! Unbelievable that the perants also.arnt held responsible
PARENTS!
@@dave710lol. Ruddy perants. They're the worst.
I was stationed in the Congo for a good while, quite common over there, even younger than 12 !
What were THEY doing out at 1.30 in the morning . They knew EXACTLY what they were doing . Name and Shame .
Name and shame them ,as for the parents they should be charged with child neglect
Who are their parents and who are looking after these children?????
You only have to go into your local supermarket and see how out of control some children are,their parents stand there and totally ignore what their doing as though it’s nothing to do with them. I really don’t know how teachers put up with some of these rowdy children. My granddaughter works in one of these school’s that cater for difficult children,they spit and kick out at her if things don’t go there way,I’ve got animals that don’t behave like that and these are ferrel kittens that adopted me after I fed them when they were starving, they sit quietly and patiently waiting for their food and they respond to a whistle at feeding time if I’m a little early feeding them,it’s amazing how they know the time that I feed them.
What's the indentities of these two?
West Midlands and no name usually means Pakistanis
British. Through and through.
yt English
Lack of discipline is why these kids can do what they want. Bring it back and stop preventing parents and teachers from punishing wrong behaviour,
Afraid to walk through the streets now, anyone behind you, you jump in fright, name these so called kids, dont treat them like jamie bulgers'killers taken on holiday and to football matches,and actually spoiled, it is bad parenting , who are too busy to know what their kids are doing name them no hiding
Whats going on?
Ans: You started punishing parents and teachers who disciplined their children!!
And you took Bibles, prayers & moral studies out of schools for public appeasement!
Poor is no excuse!! Parents have a responsibility to know the thought process of their kids and behave like parents. If not, then their kids should go into care
So true, many of us came from deprived childhoods , but we never behaved like that.
3:56 the parents have nothing to do with this, because the parents have no way of enforcing this if the parents beat children it's a violation of their right. And what about kids who are raised by Foster or those kids who don't have parents.
It’s a certain demographic that never get named! All the problems came along with them
You see the same pattern across the world. They never created their own civilization...but they're destroying ours. I'm sick of the bleeding-hearts making excuses for them.
Having worked with these type of children who were doing sentences longer than they have been alive and asked them what would deter them from walking around with a knife or killing another person. Most said if they faced the death penalty or incarcerated forever they might reconsider. The rest of them had a don't care kind of attitude and it was a case of either they get killed, or the other person does, so they would rather do the time and come out to restart their lives in their 40s. This country and the future of our children/grandchildren is doomed if sentences aren't toughened.
Old enough to do the crime, old enough to go some sort of prison, so old enough to be named and shamed.
We live in the world our politicians have intentionally created,underclass poor,homeless,necessity of foodbanks,creating police state with undertrained constables,ignoring the electorates wishes etc.
Last year my small vegetable knife that I used daily ,finally after 10 years gave up, I tried to buy another on line, The hoops I had to jump through you would have thought I was a mass murderer, how did 12 year old get a Maschette? Someone has provided this.
Life should mean life .
Doesn't this story just epitomise how far this country has fallen. We must turn this around before this type of crime becomes common place. Time for our politicians to grow a pair. They've been turning a blind eye for far too long. Cowards.
Bring back some of Britain's long lost traditions like Capital Punishment = Gallows, Stocks ETC ETC,
Why should the tax payers keep these individuals living in luxury gated apartments.
You can blame the government they've made it illegal to dicipline children, i got a good slap in the 90s if i was ever disrespectful, and i grew up and was working by the time i was 15 never been in prison, if were not allowed to discipline anymore then send them straight to the army maybe they will grow up then
Tony smith and John brown at it again
Why the F does life not mean life in this stupid country!!
Umbongo and smith ?
People in the area must know who they are?
This country is lawless
I personally believe name and shame should be applied, plus parents should be questioned on their child in front of a judge
This was the case in my country (Poland) in the 1980s. I was brought up in the belief that if I did something very wrong, my parents would also suffer the consequences. England is starting to become a failed country. It is getting worse and worse every year and apart from talking, nobody is doing ANYTHING about it. It's like the USA, access to guns and and regular crying and mourning.
No, look at this situation from a different perspective - the states where guns are allowed to the public have got a lot less crime because each criminal knows that people can have guns and shoot them back. More crime happens in states where people are winging about human rights and ban of the weapons. If we are people in the UK were allowed to have self protected weapons do you think that gay would not shoot that one in self-defence? Things are that the government is taking your basic right to defend yourself but criminals still got the weapons and always will be. And law very often on their side ....poor criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds......oh....
It's very obvious what's gone wrong. Poverty, tension, reduction in youth services, lack of hope, years of dreadful TV, Grand Theft Auto, etc. GTA literally features kids running through shopping centres with machetes; we have trained young people to see all this as normal. These games are our number one 'toys' - think about it. Our society - our whole society - has raised these children. Jail is a sign of a sick and failing society - it isn't a deterrent. We're capable of so much better than this.
You missed three: gang culture, an obsession with ‘respect’ and drill rap.
Poverty does not make bad parenting.....parents who don't want responsibility make bad parents. The responsibility of parents has been taken away from them ...giving them free this and free that instead of making them work to keep families safe and well cared for.
You have clearly never ever even played a single GTA game ! Tell me 1 mission in any of the games that feature ' Kids running through shopping centres with machetes ' ?? You ppl have been blaming video games for nearly half a century now when the reality is games are bigger than music TV and the movie industry combined with hundreds of millions of ppl across the planet all playing the same games with no problems ! In fact the home of the most hardcore hyper violent games ,comics and general media come from one of the safest least violent most civilised countries on earth
@@HULLGRAFFITIJapan
Rap music has a lot to answer for. The soundtrack of their lives is the glorification of violent street crime. We'll never stop this now. Things have just gone too far.
2:44 - That's pretty interesting...
If a dog attacks a member of the public, then the "owner" (or guardian) gets prosecuted, because the dog can't be held responsible, due to its limited level of intelligence.
Well an underaged teen probably isn't held responsible, due to their limited level of intelligence, so maybe you're on to something.
they should be named!
I can promise you whatever they get for sentence it will NOT BE JUSTICE a young man's life has been taken, his family has a loss which is not fixable 🙏🏻