Dice Control Championship
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มี.ค. 2020
- Dice Control Championship is the first 5 rounds where I challenge King Dice to a friendly match to show the results of dice control vs. random throw. This small amount of rolls could never prove one way or the other if dice control is real, but it was a fun way to show the differences as we discuss the topic. King Dice was very kind to invite me into his home, and teach me some pointers. Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion of rounds 6 -10 in part 2.
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“That’s a controlled shot” rolls a 7
Excellent Jeremy. Pure entertainment is what it was meant to be, and that’s what you delivered. Good stuff.
Much appreciated!
Great video! Can't wait for part 2! Thanks for teaming up guys. You both are doing wonders for the game. I really enjoy both your channels. Keep it up!
More to come!
This is great. Can't wait to see a strategy video. Should have both of you shooting at the same time for that so KD has to deal with your random rolls for his disadvatage. You would have disadvantage with his rolls because he would know what he would be shooting. Keep up the work CU.
That was way cool! Can’t wait for part II.
thanks for the video! excited to see the part 2, and the video of your dice control training
Me and King Dice have a great deal in common. We both sux are throwing the bones
Ha, that’s cold...he did really well when we went to casino afterwards
@555 he also was not pleased with how he threw
@@ColorUp he had 10 rounds....he couldn’t make adjustments after his first 3 rounds?
@@ColorUp like KD's shooting in this vid. 😆
@ so if it doesn't hit the wall, I can avoid the 7????
Thanks for the video!! I loved the production value!! The lighting and camera angles are great.. The dice controller vs the random shooter debate will never cease. It's all about what's comfortable to you. I like to set the dice but I don't hate on random shooters. I've made and lost plenty of money on both styles of shooters. The math is the math but sometimes someone gets on a hot roll. i play the DarkSide but with place and field bets. Shooting dice is a great game and should always be fun!! Can't wait to get back to the tables!! Roll on my brothers!!
Yeah, I’m not sure where the hate for the other side comes from? Different opinions is great, if you believe or not, that’s fine. I guess human nature and pride, people always want to be right and think everyone else is wrong. Oh well ha, thx for watching and your comment
So I have tracked around 42,000 rolls with bone tracker. I agree with people in the comments he's hitting the corner of the wall. I use a camera with slow motion to see my throws. One thing I'll say is, I don't think dice control offers insane amounts of protection from the 7. People are expecting that if you practice hard enough, you can just go out and throw 20 times whenever you want. That just isn't mathematically possible. I firmly believe you can throw less sevens than random, but it will never average out to be that amazing. Currently, I average around 10/10.5 throws per round. Now, one thing that setting and dice control does 100% work on, and in my opinion, is the real gift, is getting on average the numbers you want more often. When I set har ways, I easily outpace the random amount of hardways. When I set 6/8 I easily outpace the amount of 6/8 I would throw if it was random. At the same time, I believe controlling bets is just as important as setting dice and controlling. You need to understand when to press, when to take some money.. when to understand you are hitting a number more often than random. I think it is also important to know when to come, and when to go. I've seen people be up 5x-10x...20x+ the amount of money they brought with them to the casino and give it all back.
Personally I like to set the dice to the hardways & have had some long rolls over 30, but I'll
be honest, I've had plenty of short rolls, under 10.
recently I was at a table in Reno, I was on One end of the table, & One other guy at the opposite end. (just us two) On My 1st roll, I went 36 rolls, pretty good. The other guy was up next &
He went an astonishing 62 rolls before Seven out! what blew my mind was that He did not
roll a single Seven the entire roll, no come out 7's!!! AND.... He was a Random Roller!
He rolled at least 10 Sixes & He said He made over $1K just on the Sixes, & $2K total on that roll.
Two weeks later, I was at another casino, and that very same guy walks up to the table I was at, And waits for His turn to shoot. He begins His shoot rolling a Six point.
His very next roll was a Seven Out!!! He left the table, cursing!!! lol
I guess those mathematical laws were evening things out after that 62 roller He did!!!
Agreed. 7 avoidance is a small part of dice control. And shouldn't be your primary focus. You'll just drive yourself nuts doing 7 avoidance only, and put more pressure on yourself when tossing
Great idea, looking fwd to part two and the strategy vid would be great too.
Thanks really enjoyed this 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! His strategy video has already been posted.
That was fun.. bring on the next round 🎲🎲
I would love to see you and KD go head to head in a game, with him playing his 5 and out strategy and you playing your favorite strategy.
Love these videos man. Went to the casino with $40 bucks walked out with $200. The Iron Cross baby!
Love that hat King Dice. Go nuggets! I really enjoy watching learning from you guys. Hope to see you guys in Blackhawk one day.
Bottom line.. CRAPs is a brilliant game that cannot be MASTERED. Dice control, Super Sets, Random throws.. It will all come back to the algorithm, MATH doesn't lie. Both of these guys are class acts, trying hard, and both know when it comes to this game it's ALL about Money management , protecting the bank roll, not being emotional, and taking what the day gives. Thank you both for your time and efforts to make these videos. Vic "Vicious" aka. Dr. Dice
Good analysis man
Well put
Wrong as wrong can be, that's what" dice control"is , or as they changed the definition of what its called now," dice influence" your changing the math of the game, avoiding the 7, if you are good enough,, this is very very hard to do consistently, the reason is because we humans are not machine like, we can not repeat the" same" motion over and over as a machine does, but, we can do it close enough and enough times, to change the math of the game, you just haven't run across someone who can actually do this, I've seen tons of people try it, but most can't do it, like 95 per cent, I understand why you don't believe it, but it's true!
Dice control and controlled mechanics or random rolls and mathematics. The beauty of craps is the debate can continue until the chickens come home to roost, but it is possible to wager on every outcome and someone will either lose a pretty penny or earn enough comps for a bakery pastry in any given window.
yes, that's why I love this game, everyone is right, yet everyone is wrong
Great video! Lot of fun it looked like.
I love this ! More A1 content from Color Up! Huge fan here from Massachusetts, hope you guys are getting through this health crisis ok! Much Love , - Waldo
Thanks! Stay safe
Man that’s a beautiful table it reminds me of Christmas and gives the same warm feelings
That's a controlled shot. Oh no it's not! HAHAHAHAH!
matt4787 😂😂😂😂
@funding department They could easily cherry pick evidence of a good roll though on a live game. And not show all the shitty rolls. But yes it is clear. If you can really influence the dice then you would not be telling everyone this. You would be making your money doing it and keeping quiet. Why would you want the casino to then realize it was possible and shut the game down?
Seven out
Big dice control tycoon
😂🤣😁👋😂🤣
That dude is so full of himself I cringe every time I see him and hear him. “I’m an athlete” psh.
This guy is a joke,every time I tune in to watch any video he's in,He sucks. Always talking shit and then the excuses start rolling in.lmao🤣
An*
Geez I know. When he says, let's get to work, to himself. Cringe. So many excuses too
Collab is great! Keep them coming.
really like the idea of the Random Vs. Setter, but we all know any given day it can go either way.. thx
Yep, short video means nothing
@@ColorUp No. It doesn't. But a longer video would make it even more obvious that dice influencer is complete and utter trash.
@@matt4787 Exactly right.
Color Up is shooting hot! Lots of 7’s on the come out rolls
Oh yeah!!
@@ColorUp yup get those 7 out of the way during the come out is the best
I think you best mode color up u taught me how to play and multipule strategies my biggest mistake I always make is knowing when to switch stragies and how to stay away from field I kill myself all the time I play the field it's hard to stay away lol anyways keep up the good work and get that win
Thanks for the vids to get us through the panicdemic. 😷 I'm a dice setter who generally fares better than the random shaker. But no one I've seen is consistently "7 proof". For me, craps is more about betting strategies to make a profit before the inevitable 7 out.
In other words, last month I had a 45 minute roll and some people lost money (field bettors and hoppers!) and left the table cussing while I made 5k. But also notice us dice setters never mention the numerous times we go point > out. Tons of people set the dice, but most of us don't have the dexterity and accuracy to overcome the odds.
Good video guys!
One thing I noticed when KD throws, his dice hit in the hook area. This creates more spin and knocks the dice off axis. I generally try to aim for the center of the wall so that the dice hit a straight flat surface and then come back out straight (hopefully). If someone has chips on the pass line, I will aim right or left of that area but throwing in the hook diamonds increases the likelihood of a non-controlled throw off axis. Just my .02
Hitting the back wall randomizes it every time. Don't fool yourself.
I like to aim for the big 6/8 spot at the corner. Was able to perfect that from my beer pong days
I Love watching these videos to prefect my craft but I need more videos with the tables at casinos now which are more bouncy to get a better idea on new strategies
I like that Dice King is NOT hoping for a comeout-7, 11, craps they are a waste of time. I think dice King needed some money at risk and his roll starts clickin' like it's supposed to 😎
lost it after the 4th come out 7, MY MAN IS EMPLOYEING THE SAME STRAT. being calm and collected.
i have never been a huge believer in dice control. it has always seemed like one of the many casino tricks that do not really work. i live in Texas (no casinos), but we make 2-3 trips a year to either Louisiana or Vegas. In reality, i am usually a dark side player. It is just my comfort zone. So, i rarely shoot the dice. I most frequently pass. When I do shoot, I cant bet against myself, but usually lose my own money with betting on the pass line and rolling short.
I decided before my last trip to Vegas (went right before the Covid shutdown) to just watch a few videos. My trip started out as usual - playing the dark side and passing at my turn to shoot. This changed one morning when I stepped up to a dead table. I wanted to pass a little time waiting for the wife and decided to shoot. I tried to put some consistency to my set and my shot. I wasn't trying to be a pro and true dice controllers would have probably chewed my technique and set apart.
Here is where this story gets good....we went to old downtown that day. First stop Golden Nugget. Full table. I decided to shoot at my turn. It wasn't amazing, but it earned money for most of the table. I walked away almost doubling my money. Second stop Binions. This is where things get REAL good. i played for a while before dinner going back to the dark side and almost doubled my money again. Then after dinner I stepped up to a table that was opening. it opened as a full table. 2 shooters then my turn. I tried to do what I had done that morning in terms of set and consistency. I rolled for FIFTY minutes. I hit at least 8 points and the whole table (including myself) made a ton of money. Most cashed out right after I was finished. They all left with huge smiles and had massively colored up. As the dice went around the table again, I played the dark side and won more money. Then it was back to me again......i rolled for another TWENTY FIVE minutes. It was amazing!
By that point, my wife and mom in law were ready to head back to NYNY - our home hotel. I rolled a few times with average rolls the next day - not great, but not bad! BUT that night I was on a roll again. I "hit 'em all" on 1 turn and "all small" on another. And had several other good rolls.
In the end, I have to say that dice "control" is an awful term. Dice "influence" however is much more believable. One can never guarantee a great roll in my opinion. BUT I learned that a consistent set and consistent shot style can work. It turned this skeptic into at least a semi believer.
interesting video. would love to see more like it
Not many are willing to go on video
Where did you get the table?
Great video. Kudos to you both (CU and KD) for putting this together. Very entertaining. Aaron
I’ve done the math on this and I don’t see a difference between the two. Theoretically the odds should be the same. But that doesn’t mean I right. I would like to see this tested.
My best 2 rolls where chunking em down the table! 2k+ each time.
Color up is a laid back dude, Id love to roll dice with him in real life, I wouldn’t mind rolling with dice guy either though. Ive always been a shy person the the craps table is a very social place and i like just being there. And seeing how people bet.
Im much more shy in real life than I am on camera.
Buddy of mine,first time ever shooting dice was an hour and half roll. Harrah’s AC. It was unreal
Thats always fun, but dangerous, you may have created a monster addicted to the game like me haha
Color Up OHHHH yes, this was a couple years ago. That monster is now quarantined.
What's a good tip in chips to the table per hundred in winnings? I tipped 20 for 600, but now I'm thinking it I was cheap now. Rolled for 40 mins
That equates to a 3% tip. I’m not going to say what’s “good” as that’s up to you. It’s not required, and when losing not much is expected, but I’m sure whatever is toked is appreciated.
Can you explain to me the hopping the 7s theory. He talks about it at about 14:00. I have two questions. One he stated he would make 1600.00 on his bet, how much is he placing to get that and second when does he start hopping...after the 4th roll of a random shooter?
I can’t explain his theory... but hopping the 7 pays 15:1 so if he hops a 7 for $100 he would get a $1500 payoff, not 1600, and you would think he would hop all three 7 combos which would cost 300, so maybe he just misquoted amount? As you heard in video, I was trying to figure out when he started hopping and it wasn’t made clear to me?
@@ColorUp Thank you for your response. I know you did a video explaining the hopping, perhaps you could do a "live roll" hopping the 7s after 4 or 5 rolls. Just a thought. Thank you for videos.
@@ColorUp When Hopping the Seven, There are 3 bets (6-1, 5-2, 3-4) so two of those will be losers if all three are bet & the 7 is rolled. in other words, The 15:1 payoff is reduced when
betting all 3 of the Seven hop bets. I usually bet all 3, eliminating the aggravation of betting on the incorrect seven combo. The Any 7 Bet does not pay as well, But is okay if you just want to throw a buck on it.
I wish you guys played for money or chips. Same buy in say 250 10 dollar table . Bet how you bet most money in the end wins 👍🏽👍🏽
That would be a different competition, this was just about "controlling dice"
@@ColorUp Well if that's the case . You got hella control. Kd lost his touch 🤣🤣 even Kd says it's about makin money. If yall had money up . You woulda really kicked ass 👍🏽
I feel like the 3v is not a safe set. If you are pitching even the slightest bit you'll 7 more often. It happened to me a lot with that set. Also I've done equally good/bad with setting vs just chucking them. It's fun to set and try for certain numbers. But ultimately it really doesn't matter
That’s because you didn’t read that 3V/2V are expert sets until you can reduce the revs/double pitching
For me when I see big red coming up with one dice set I change up and use a different one
Great video.
Sadly, so many comments are focused on mocking this guy instead of appreciating the content. Yeah, there's a lot of ego here, but it says a lot of positive of things about his ego that he participated in this KNOWING it could go like this. Why can't we just enjoy things? Why cant we accept that some people play for fun, and some people get super serious and call themselves pro? Who cares if someone isn't like you, or doesn't play like you?
Humans can be so petty and exhausting. If ya'll keep talking shit about this guy, it means we wont get interesting content in the future. Bravo.
Christian Lemon bravo, excellent point. I’m sure others are just super excited to get mocked like this...sigh
Try not to cry about hurt feelings
"appreciating the content" lol what does that mean in terms of blindly ignoring the entire premise of the content
honestly I haven't seen any hate at all. I do think it is fine to make fun of him haha And while I have generally positive feelings towards this guy, he could be criticized for dice control does go against the spirit of the game. The casino's deal with the player is that the player will be given a chance to be on the positive side of variance. This is of value, the player is given a fair deal (or at least, that's what the player decides by choosing to play the game) for the casino's payment. The player having an edge over the casino is against the spirit of this exchange and is taking advantage of the body that is giving them the opportunity to win. To be honest I kind of believed him that he could get consistent throws (although I didn't know how he avoided a number that could be added by combinations with every number, avoiding or hitting snake eyes or boxcars seems more likely). I was expecting the results to be inconclusive- within the normal range of variance. But then he went and rolled a bunch of sevens and I felt kind of dumb for ever believing it lol. I'm not laughing at him really but I do think it's certainly normal to want to talk about what just happened
Love it.........!!!!!!!
Thanks John!
Not a big fan of the concept but sure enjoy the video and seeing all sides of the game. Good job
thanks!
What dice set did you use?
Omg this is halarious
Better to be lucky than "good" especially in craps! 😂 lmao King Dice the dice control expert yeah okay.
How does the controller set
Great videos Color Up. I was wondering if anyone knows of an app or site where you can play craps online with friends?
Pokerist app is a poker app but has online multiplayer craps
Thanks for the quick response. I know about Pokerist but the min/max and chip denomination isn’t setup for real table play.
@@dannydetore Yeah, im not a fan of it, just because the table interface is so cluttered.
Very entertaining video! I hate to say it but KD is full of it.
say whatever you want...to a certain degree
Hilarious video.
In Round #3, you hit your point of 10 and should have kept the dice after coming out again with the 7
What the heck is up with the apostrophe in "Don t Pas's Bar" at the 7:21 mark? :D I hope you got this table at a discount! :D
Nice catch, that is weird ha...the apostrophe just fell off and slid over 😲
plot twist, @ColorUp has been a dice controller this whole time, he's just 3 or 4 levels above everybody
Haha, exactly
@Color Up WTF is up with the field bets you have triple pay on 2 and on 12, the house has no edge on that field bet. There aren't any Casinos that offer this are there ?
A few have from time to time for promotional/marketing purposes.
@@ColorUp If you find any casinos that offer both triple 2 and triple 12 can you let me know ?
It was fun being the stickman😁😁😅😅😅
I’m glad you were there to help!
The hard way shot is the best dice set for avoiding the 7.
what's that? I don't get the joke
@@rickysmith6041 it's not a joke. He is saying that setting the dice in the hardway set (example 5,5 on top, 2,2 on bottom, 3,3 and 4,4 front and back) is the best way to avoid the 7
Great video, I switch back and forth, I do better at “random”. If you guys were working on come out the session would have been like ouch.
Nice table, where can they be purchased? Is that table a 12 foot?
I believe he said it came out of a native casino few years ago
King Dice. About your throw. If I might make a suggestion. IMO..You have a hitch in it. You set up, then your hand slides back in a partial PARR pendulum throw. Your throw ends up not axial. Get a set of barrel dice..glue two together perfectly and then try your throw. If the dice wobble in the air..that will tell you you need to work on keeping them flat to the back wall. Also make sure you just give one rotation to the dice since you are throwing from SL..not SO.,
Not sure he reads my comments, head on over to his channel, I’m sure he will appreciate
Good video thanks for sharing
You bet
I also applaud Color Up for standing up & defending his friend ( King), because it’s very easy to throw someone that teaches Dice Influencing under the bus when they aren’t shooting well!!!
Even though Color Up is not a proponent of Dice Influencing, he is still respectful to King Dice when King doesn’t do well tossing the dice!!
I hope King, & Color Up continue to display such a good friendship. WELL DONE ....gentlemen!!!!
I thoroughly enjoy when you guys post videos together!!
Great comment, thank you!
Your not so bad as i thought (personality wise lol), i realized that at 14:57 of the video. King Dice still a major fail dude was tryna call your sevens not realizing he has more than you 😂😂😂😂. This is hilarious!! Dice control is real to clear things up. Hes just the biggest clout chasing joke around (king dice). i seen him switch to a random roller last video, i think you inspired him color up lmao
I’m not a bad guy. And not against dice control, I hope it’s a real thing. Just waiting for someone to prove it.
@@ColorUp have you seen Bone Thrower's 92 roll dice control video? "Longest roll on TH-cam"?
Not sure about the control part, but the pro did hit the same same spot of the table consistently and kept the dice tight in the corner. So control the dice position, yes, I like it.
Actually, he didn't. Watch his throws over and stop it when they land. He was within a 10" circle for sure. But that is a huge variance when you still need to hit the wall.
@@WTPFirearms it's tough to control the bounce totally but landing zone was pretty consistant
@@jklivinlife each toss has a different axis and rotation while in the air.....
First of all thank you for share all the strategies. It’s very funny that people really think they can control dice
Btw regular player set it for few secs is fine. I’m talking about those dum fking retards waste over 15 secs for every roll and then hit the 7.
Look at this awesome dice controller. Set the dice. Make the pose then hit the 7. These people’s really bad at maths and physics. The set you made is going to change When you throw the dice higher then the table. Cause they bouncing !.!. And Don’t forget about the table edge is sharp. Which mean is even you roll the dice right on the table they still gonna randomly change the pattern when those dice hit the edge!.!.
The only one to win this game is use your brain. Avoid the 7. Really Hope all the players are going to practice how to avoid 7 but the stupid dice control waste decent players time in the casino
The longer I watched this video the more makes me piss off. Just listen to what that fking dude said to color up. And see what the fk he can do. Ohh my fking god. Seriously. dice controller just go home. You people useless but boring me
In the interview his face was pixelated, now it's not... Wonder why
? he changed his mind about it
Lol right
It’s a marketing tactic, it creates some credibility. “I’m so good I have to hide my face, because I don’t want to get banned from casinos” lol
Nice Table!
Yep, super nice
Lmfao!!! I am MR. HITTIN HARDWAYS aka Sir Hop-A-Lot, SHO NUFF, THE CRAPSASSIN, THE SHARP SHOOTER i'm a true Dice Controller and i can hop all the numbers. Hopping all the hardways or the horn bet are my go to bets. 30 to 1 or 15 to 1 EVERY roll fellas that is control....Otta-be Gotta-be!!!
Explaining to anyone with an education that dice control is bogus is like having to tell an adult that Santa Claus isn't real. They really should just know better.
Santa Claus 🎅 is not real? What about saint Nic?
@@ColorUp Interesting point
You would think that same rationale would hold up telling them about 'Jesus Christ' too? (just going along with that religious theme)... heh heh.. ;-) (stirring the pot)
So called 'Dice Control' is a well known casino hustle where the Professional Hustler gains the confidence of a tourist or non-hustler to: 1. Finance the hustler in a game of Dice and share the profits, 2. Be coached in how to toss the dice to have long rolls. Either way, the only one who makes money is the Hustler.
16:45 - 17:20
dealer was not taking too kindly to king dice lmao
What have we learned.
Pass line and any 7 on color ups first come out roll.
I've seen random and setters have good and bad days. Casino's change there tables daily to prevent streaks. One day its bouncy and the next there's very little to no bounce. Its all about luck and energy.
I really enjoy your videos, Jeremy, and I appreciate the way you present them in such an unpretentious manner and without bias.
But I think King Dice may have to think about changing his nickname. :) Another poor showing to say the least. Surprisingly the random roller had almost twice as many rolls as self described King Dice 39 to 20. And he would have had a few more rolls if he would have gotten credit for his point 10 winner and following come out 7 winner in round 4. Jeremy had 12 7s for an SRR of 1:3.25 (but 5 were on the come out) while KD had seven 7s for an SRR of 1:2.86.
I really wish you would have taken the time to actually make some bets during the rolls so we could see win/loss comparisons. But it wasn’t that hard to follow along with potential bets. Let’s say Jeremy flat bet $32 across since he is more conservative than KD. And of course he would be off on the come out. Over the five rounds Jeremy would have won $57. If KD had used his 5 and out system he would have lost over $2800! He didn’t make 5 rolls one time in five rounds without hitting a 7! Heck he would have lost approximately $2100 just flat betting with his $320 across and place bets turned on for the come out.
As some have pointed out, KD is upset with the CU come out 7 winner on the very first roll saying it would ruin some bonus bets!? I would be willing to bet a lot more players have pass line bets than bonus bets on the come out. In round 3 KD tries, maybe just playful teasing, to diminish CU by pointing out he had 3 7s in 9 rolls (actually 10, Mr B miscounted) but 2 were co 7 winners. Then in round 5 he says he is going to hop the 7 after 3 numbers (Gambler's Fallacy anyone?). He talks about hopping the 7 against random rollers (wait, I thought he played alone). He says he can hop the 7 three times and make a profit...what!? the odds of making a 7 are 5-1. The whole point of having a controlled throw is to have an advantage over the casino. I don’t know of any AP that would make a bet with an 11% HA. That’s a really bad bet!!
KD seems like a nice guy and a lot of fun, and I’m sure I would enjoy having a beer with him, but I’m not sold on his throw or his betting philosophy. At least 2 throws actually hit the back wall first and several short hopped it. I really don’t understand why people think he might be
nervous by being on camera. He has his own TH-cam channel, he is on camera all the time!
I apologize in advance for the long post, I’m just bored and killing time! LOL
You did apologize at the end for writing a book, so I won't give you flak for that, but KD's strategy as well as others have mountains of evidence for being accurate, just an off day
@@keithfreeman415 Hell, even I got tired rereading that! 😁
And thanks for your prompt reply, (good natured sarcasm).
I'm not sure I would use the word accurate to describe any strategy or system. Sure there's a lot of examples of winning strategies, any of them can get hot or lucky, but for the most part, there is more examples of them losing. As for him having an off day, his tosses would be like an NBA player having not one, but a few air balls from the free throw line in one game. But the best of luck to you! ✌️🤞
Seen that KD guy at the palm last week. He had zero control and a small bet guy. Kind of sad
This is why I hedge huge on big red
Awesome video. KD seems to have his strategies and tactics but he just seems out of mind when rolling with you. Maybe he's too nervous. 😆 hopefully i can roll dice with you one day in Vegas if we're ever there at the same time. I like to try and do dice control but i incorporate dice control with betting strategy and it keeps me at the table for hours, i just need fine tuning. Keep up the great videos, pretty much the best craps videos and editing out there.
If you ever get to throw with C.U., the J-man is a real stand-up guy. Only threw once with him @ Saratoga Casino (Blackhawk, CO) & he brought in quite a few players as a meet ''n' greet. Was a hell of an experience!
Cant wait to get another Black Hawk meetup if they open.
I've personally only seen dice control work in bubble craps
Daniel Herrera how you control it while u don’t touch it and the dice works with magnets 🧲
@@basemsayed3050 Where is the proof there is magnets? I've shot a couple 50 rolls, 40s and a ton of 30 rolls in bubble craps I'll likely never do that on a crap table. You will definitely find on average rolls are longer in bubble craps.
What's up KD and Color up! Found a $$$$ making STRATEGY that i would love to show you 1 day after this coronavirus is over. Enjoying the lesson and mind set!
You can submit it on my website www.colorup.club under the dice advice section if you like.
This KD guy is full of it. Period.
Ok, you can think what you like
Joshua Cross dice control is real do your research smarty pants
He looked to mechanical in that video. He must be pressuring himself to beat Color Up.
@@born2rolldice there really isn't conclusive proof either way, if it works for you great!
@@mthomas1877 He was nervous i think
I couldn't play at a table with King Dice. Craps is suppose to be a fun game, and with his strategy it seems he'd kill the tables vibe. 7's on the come out roll are a good thing, and to say it's bad cause of your strategy is no good. It's just like walking up to a table with a hot shooter and betting on the do not pass
The Vegas Paradise KD was pointing out that if half the table is playing Bonus Craps, even come out 7s kill that money. He said it and if anyone is come betting; those 7s wipe those 3-Point Molly shooters off too! If nobody is playing for Bonuses or come betting, then yeah, all the c/o 7s you want but if you’re trying to influence the dice, you just don’t want to see them at all. All valid points.
@@chriswiseman5985 his points are valid regarding the bonus bets. But at most craps tables majority of the people at the table, even those who are dice setters (including myself), are betting the pass and the place bets. So a c/o 7 is usually going to lead to cheers around, since it's the only time you want to see a 7. And his strategy includes working the place bets on the c/o, which most people don't do and again, goes against the table which is why I said I couldn't play at a table with him
@@TheVegasParadise I hear you. I can see it both ways. Personally, I am a short game better looking for just 2 hits and then a regression to lock up profit but still stay in the roll. I start full across - thus I like to work my come out on the 1st roll. If I go deeper into the roll, I might turn off come out rolls after the 1st point is made. With more craps tables having bonus type bets, nobody wants to see the 7 in any type of roll. That said, if I choose to work come out rolls and I'm not the one with the dice, then I do not get upset at the shooter rolling the come out 7s. Can't have it both ways, right? Appreciate the dialog. Hope you're well.
@@chriswiseman5985 2 hits then regression, that's smart and I respect that. And yes, 7's aren't a number anyone wants to see, I just feel bonus bets are for fun, and I don't feel it's something the table will hate you for on a c/o (even though some would be sick if they're 1 number away from AS/MA/AT lol). I just prefer playing with the table because I like to see everyone win while having fun, but you're right, can't have it both ways. Greatly appreciate your input, all is well and I hope you're well and safe
@@TheVegasParadise I don't do bonus bets often ... but when I do, and I get to just 1 number left (especially a point number), I HEDGE IT! Cya VP
i have alot of success from far end of table with smooth spin 6 inches from the wall dice setis { X } 3/2 2/3
No matter what numbers you place on the right, left, top, bottom, front or back there are only three ways for the 6 & 8 Two ways for the 4,5,9 &10 and two ways for the seven, on the Do side when dice setting That's it!!! Your best odds ( yes your best odds) is when you roll and set the dice from the Don't side and less than 5% of players know or use those dice sets. Good Luck at the tables. 🧐☯ P.S. Learn your six "Master dice sets" stay on Axis and hope for a little luck.
Because I am usually a "dont pass" player, I hop big red (7's) on the come out roll all of the time, so I still like seeing 7's on the come out rolls. At a $10 table come out roll; $10 don't pass, $6 Hop big red (7), $2 yo (11) , $2 twelve (12). If one of the come out "action numbers (2,3,7,11,12) hit, you will profit. If a point is established, you only lose $10. If you hit the 12, it works out because you keep your don't pass bet and gain the money from the 12. ($2 @30-1 = $60 - minus $8 to stay up on your hop big red and yo = $52 profit) . After the point is established, place a $10 on the point to not lose any more money - remember, the don't pass covers the 7.
Controlled throwing and dice setting won me $1,250 two nights ago.
The reason people believe dice control is fake, cause there are very few people that can actually do it the proper way, it takes years of practice and hours a day, Iv been playing for 2 years now and Iv honestly only seen one true controller at a casino and I play a lot. Iv been practicing it since The first month I started and still have a ways to getting it down and not a single throw Iv seen in this video was controlled the landing zone way to close to the wall and to much energy coming off the back wall
I misread your comment, you didn’t say fake, you said some people believe fake. I agree, if real it is rare who can be successful with it.
"That's a controlled shot".
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Dice King made the same excuses in his first video with Color Up....."an off day" haha
“Don’t bet against Color Up!”
All I do is win! 😂
Age 50 surprised the hell out of me lol
He is doing good it appears
I think Mrs. King would have embarrassed both of you. Lol
Possibly
I'm open-minded to dice control, but not sold. Here's what I'll say about this session....while the "dice-controller" had more sevens, it seems to me that it was pretty obvious to tell a "good" throw from a "bad" throw. Just so happens that most of the "dice-controller's" "bad" throws came up big red this time...very interesting, but not sold yet.
I'm confused why there is no dice setting. It just looks like random rolls to me.
Ha
@7:25 - 7:35
Some accuracy with the shot he got there
I hate shooting from the side I’ll only shoot if I’m directly across. Idk nothing to do with setting or anything just feel like imma smack somebody
I would love to play a come out roll with Color Up. You would have made me enough money to cover all of my place bets with you as the shooter.
I play a $15 game with $5 on the world and $2,1,2 on the tall/small/all. With each seven and craps number rolled, I press the world by $5. The pass line win with the seven covers the $5 world press and puts the $2,1,2 back up with $5 to rack. The craps number world wins covers the $15 pass line bet and the $5 world press with the extra being racked. The ‘Yo’ is a bonus hit with the $15 pass line win and the world bet win, but still press the world by $5 and rack the rest.
Ha, yep this series of rolls would have worked out for ya
You definitely are my favorite type of shooter. You hit the wins on the come out. You hit several points; I’m a max odds pass line player. I wish the mistake wasn’t made early on in the video. I had a feeling that was going to be a monster roll.
8:30 spinner!
The diamonds on the wall are there
I seen a guy roll 141 rolls at a long roll free roll at a casino in North Dakota about 20 years ago.
That has to be the record
154 is the record. 2009. A grandma and beginner