Been playing for about 6 weeks, went to my local shop, and he recommended a leopard and a diamond. Already had a leopard that has been really consistent for me, so I picked up the diamond. Didn’t search this review….. just showed up…. Thanks google, I guess. Loved this video. Definitely the perfect disc I needed, but are people really embarrassed by having it? Every person I’ve run into on the course has been so helpful and supportive, and I love this community
Absolutely LOVE the Diamond. It is everything it is said to be. When I found out I could ANhyzer flip this disc to turn corners and have it push back to center going straight to just land flat and stop, holy shit I fell back in love with disc golf again.
I've recently rediscovered the sapphire and now it's the only disc I can get over 400'. I thought I had out grown it, but I'd recommend it to anyone who can't throw 450.
Yes! My most trusty disc was a big Z avenger SS but I couldn't get it to glide and get above 330. I found sapphire and knowing the glide of diamond I was hoping it's gonna be like my more glidy avenger, and it's exactly that! Also opto and gold plastics are easier for me than bigZ so I finally got over 330 couple of times recently :D
There is not a more beautiful flight in disc golf then a diamond thrown with a lot of hyzer and watching it flip up and flip all the way over and never come back. My son took mine out of my bag but I still love it
I always bag the Diamond as I don’t have a forehand so it’s my utility disc for when the disc has to go right no matter what. Same reason I have a paradox. Call it a beginner disc, but it’s inked with ace signatures. Great review by foundation once again.
@@jamescarrier3372 Yep, I have one! It's great, I just turn it over to a roller too often so i switched to paradox. Pearl was my most used disc in my first 3-6 months of disc golf though, recommend it to anyone starting!
I’m bagging a Karat version of the diamond. Same numbers as the easy to throw version but more usable for intermediate players. The Diamond and Swan Reborn are my guaranteed to not fade discs.
I fell in love with this disc, I saw my friend throwing it and getting our max distance (we're all recreational so we're talking around 280-300 feet) with zero effort. This thing just doesn't like going towards the ground, it stays in the air forever. I don't use forehands so for me, on the course diamond is for going right, but recently I got new heavy one and it's very nice to throw like a nice full flex with it and get around 300 feet. It does fade more, its a little harder to turn but also still goes out of my hand like a dream so it's amazing. I guess that's why it says 170+ just above the flight numbers, cuz they were not available in that weight before, very interesting.
I love mine. At first I just turned it into the ground immediately, but I figured out I can throw it nice and easy flat and high for a 300ft wide turnover and get to spots where I can't with trying turnovers with midranges or forehands.
Two more uses: - Tomahawk: Can be thrown like an overhead anhyzer sidearm and will first go a lot right and then drop slightly to the left - great in the woods! - Spike hyzerish: Throw it with as much hyzer as possible and quite high and it will flip up to a hyzer and then going far left. It will continue to try to turn, which results in going pretty much straight after having turned left (if that makes sense). Great in fairways with a 90° dog leg left after about 100 ft or if you need to pass a mando on the right side but want to end up way left. Not an easy shot to pull of, but if successful will be better than a normal stable disc which will go left but crashes quickly.
Great tips, we have one of these holes at a local course. Takes a hard turn right, probably more than 90 degrees and super wooded. I throw a Tursas on a super steep hyzer(LHBH) it bends around the corner then goes straight, a long while. If you throw something overstable you'll never get there.
Got one for my wife and then for myself. You can also throw a low ceiling backhand roller that hits the ground 20 feet in front of you on a lot of angle, will go straight for 200 feet and then curl left. This throw can be done with like 20% power.
I bag 2 Diamonds. 2 different plastics. I started with the Opto plastic and when I started turning it over, I switched to a different plastic. Now I can hyzer flip it and get great glide out of it.
I traded someone for a Diamond about a month after shoulder surgery. I played forehand only, I don't have a good forehand, and it was actually pretty fun. It is also my first very understable disc. I'd suggest it if you have never tried it or want to learn more about angles.
the max weight diamond was a workhorse disc in my bag being a left handed player without good distance from forehands. My Dad fell in love with it too and stole it from me.
I bag one I stole from a friend. He said it was unthrowable so i threw it once. Loved it. Stole it. Throw that thing flat to slight hyzer and it hits that roller angle just perfect.
Along the story of left (or off) hand throwing, playing the card game RIPT. This gives you the opportunity to have a good disc for left (or off) hand throws. I used the Latitude 64 Bolt for a 320' straight shot and nearly aced it with my off hand due to its under-stability.
my gold ice fuse has beaten in to be like a -3 turn. I was about to take it out of my bag but was on the course yesterday and threw 3 really sick lines with it!
I carried a few diamonds early on to learn back hand throws. My forehand was good enough but the diamond helped me along my way. I sold em all to a lady who still throws them.
I swore by my Latitude "Easy to Throw" discs for the first 6 months of learning. The Diamond was my max distance until my arm speed improved, then shifted to my Annie/turn over disc, but is now too much of a turn-n-burn. Hadn't thought of trying it for easy rollers. Looks like something to try for my next field day session.
Just bought one today to replace the roadrunner that hit the road and ran away... also had a sidewinder that winded it's way down the side of a hill and disappeared into the lake..
Chain Raider Disc Golf did a good review of this disc in the Carat line. He had a guy that is 71 years old and still smashing chains, join him for the review.
I recommend this disc for all beginners too! Trevor, try mvp's impulse for rollers. I've rolled mine 650' on a flat golf course. My max air distance is only 450'. You won't have to force it over too much and it doesn't curl out as fast as the diamond. Anyone looking for a "faster diamond" for air shots should try an orbital by mvp. I'm not sponsored by mvp. They are just great discs!
I've been playing for over 10 years and can't throw distance. I love short courses and can't score well on long or normal courses. I got a Rollo and still not impressive. distance but the disc goes where I want it to, like magic! Perhaps the Diamond is the answer for range?
Diamond is actually something you shouldn't think of as "way too flippy". It's definately flippy but you can control it. Not like a 300s F7. And with the Opto plastic it lasts a long time. It's purpose in the bag changes as a player gains armspeed.
I own a disc store in Japan, and Diamond is by far our most popular disc sold. Personally I advise against it, because I've seen far too many people achieve a normal flight from Diamond and then just call it quits, never bothering to learn proper form, and consequently hating "real" discs for being too OS and too heavy for their style, because their style relies entirely on a disc being light and flippy. For a beginner will it add a bit of distance and fun? Yes, probably. Will it cripple your long-term progression and reinforce bad form and habits? Also yes. The other disc guilty of this (but even worse) is Mamba. When I see someone with a 250 foot arm throwing a Mamba I know they're doomed. The disc I recommend instead is a 165-170g River (or Crave, now that everyone is drooling for MVP plastic). They are equally as awesome for total beginners, but the main difference is that when you're hitting 950 ratings or higher, you'll still be reaching for the River or Crave regularly, and not just for rollers (although great for that). Don't get me wrong folks, this isn't an attack, it's my well-intentioned opinion and advice for people wanting to learn and improve. Can you learn and improve while throwing a Diamond? Absolutely - just be sure to not fall into the trap of thinking you don't need to work on form just because your Diamond is working for you.
As a ten speed armed 55yo with a max330ft throw... I got 340ft with my Gold Orbit 10 Year Anniversary Diamond. Near 45deg Hyzer and full effort (see 55 comment above) and it flips up to straight, a little high, and runs right (from my RHBR). This is also my go-to disc for uphill tail or cross wind.. BONUS TIP... In a Cross Wind... you MUST try throwing something flippy like a Diamond with the wind to your BACK on a high cross wind.. Throw it flat to slight Hyzer... I promice.. Get it right (and it's actually very easy)... and you will NEVER throw an overstable in a crosswind again. I practiced this in a 40+kph wind and was hitting the fence on a 250ft wide playing field even with forearm (and I have no sidearm at all over 200ft and wrench my back muscle on the left so reserve it for a narrow with hard kick right forest shot with my Tesla (and DFx Resistor at night with a bit more effort and maybe even a little Anhyzer) Oh and I tried overstable in my tests. The resistor (on the day I got it incidentally), The Tesla, A new Rive, and 'Mr broken' (I have an RPM Kotare that I can throw 45deg Anhyzer INTO that 40+ wind and it WILL fade out, often to 45deg opposite lock... In a gale it's pretty to watch when the others have all thrown their Beefs on Hyzer... and I proclaim.. "Lets throw this sucker on Anhyzer". I had it fight a howling gale uphill to a ridge about 30ft above and 270ft away... Threw 45 Anhyzer so it wouldn't fade left... and it immediately flipped to flat then jumped up and down in the wind all the way to the top.. equalling any other condition shot I have done there...
I bought a Diamond when I was first starting and within a month realized I was Turing it over all the time. I was about to remove it from my bag but after seeing that it can be used for specific shots it may stay in. Thanks for the review and the information on how it can be used for everyone.
mine goes out flat for about 75-100 feet then takes a hard turn to the right, almost turning vertical then rolls straight right from my target. doesn't turn itself over for a straight roller, only 90 degrees right.
Phenomenal point there with the “guaranteed” discs - not a lot of people mention that under stable discs can be reliable and predictably flippy just like your flattop firebird is predictably stable. Biggest reason I love my F5s is because I know exactly how they’re going to turn every time
I'll never understand why many advanced players don't throw these discs. All the flights you demonstrated are so useful on technical courses, maybe its due to where I come from (Northeast) needing those shots all the time.
Diamond is insanely flippy. Its a utility disc for me. I use it for those steep uphill flip to flat shots in the woods. Unless Im throwing it nose up and hyzer, its basically useless. I actually find the Pearl to be more useful, since at least its not suggesting itself as a 'driver'. Fwiw, Im just a noodle arm 250'-280' tosser from the 90's scene.
if you are new to disc golf or have trouble getting arm speed and youre trying to force s turns with overstable discs, please please please, understable and low speed!! i try to emphasize this to everyone i introduce this sport to
I had a F7 in this spot I lost. Might replace it. Loved that thing. Could hyzer flip jump putt for flip to flat 90' then hard fade and ground. Such a great utility.
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I love the idea of throwing lefty for demonstrating beginners
Yes would love to see this in other reviews!
Same lol I was wishing he’d do more lefty throws with it! Bought one for my wife for Christmas
I love my diamond as an older disc golfer. I also highly recommend the Westside Discs Underworld. It's like a diamond, but with more glide.
Wish they had them in lighter weight like the diamond, my diamonds are between 137g and 150g.
I was bagging both and need to add my Underworld back in.
I have just recently started to use Underworld, and it's great at turnover throws
Been playing for about 6 weeks, went to my local shop, and he recommended a leopard and a diamond. Already had a leopard that has been really consistent for me, so I picked up the diamond. Didn’t search this review….. just showed up…. Thanks google, I guess. Loved this video. Definitely the perfect disc I needed, but are people really embarrassed by having it? Every person I’ve run into on the course has been so helpful and supportive, and I love this community
Absolutely LOVE the Diamond. It is everything it is said to be. When I found out I could ANhyzer flip this disc to turn corners and have it push back to center going straight to just land flat and stop, holy shit I fell back in love with disc golf again.
I LOOOOVE the Diamond. It's so amazing. Can through it straight as heck and it glides forever. Such a great disc.
I've had a blue one in my bag for years! No other disc like it that I've found, for the same reasons Trevor described.
Thanks for the video!
I've recently rediscovered the sapphire and now it's the only disc I can get over 400'. I thought I had out grown it, but I'd recommend it to anyone who can't throw 450.
Yes! My most trusty disc was a big Z avenger SS but I couldn't get it to glide and get above 330. I found sapphire and knowing the glide of diamond I was hoping it's gonna be like my more glidy avenger, and it's exactly that! Also opto and gold plastics are easier for me than bigZ so I finally got over 330 couple of times recently :D
There is not a more beautiful flight in disc golf then a diamond thrown with a lot of hyzer and watching it flip up and flip all the way over and never come back. My son took mine out of my bag but I still love it
I always bag the Diamond as I don’t have a forehand so it’s my utility disc for when the disc has to go right no matter what. Same reason I have a paradox. Call it a beginner disc, but it’s inked with ace signatures. Great review by foundation once again.
Need to get a Pearl
@@jamescarrier3372 Yep, I have one! It's great, I just turn it over to a roller too often so i switched to paradox. Pearl was my most used disc in my first 3-6 months of disc golf though, recommend it to anyone starting!
Try a River as well. It is an amazing turnover disc that will almost always finish a bit left. (for rhbh throwers)
I’m bagging a Karat version of the diamond. Same numbers as the easy to throw version but more usable for intermediate players. The Diamond and Swan Reborn are my guaranteed to not fade discs.
I fell in love with this disc, I saw my friend throwing it and getting our max distance (we're all recreational so we're talking around 280-300 feet) with zero effort. This thing just doesn't like going towards the ground, it stays in the air forever. I don't use forehands so for me, on the course diamond is for going right, but recently I got new heavy one and it's very nice to throw like a nice full flex with it and get around 300 feet. It does fade more, its a little harder to turn but also still goes out of my hand like a dream so it's amazing. I guess that's why it says 170+ just above the flight numbers, cuz they were not available in that weight before, very interesting.
I love the diamond. Great disc. Holds whatever line you throw it at
I love mine. At first I just turned it into the ground immediately, but I figured out I can throw it nice and easy flat and high for a 300ft wide turnover and get to spots where I can't with trying turnovers with midranges or forehands.
Two more uses:
- Tomahawk: Can be thrown like an overhead anhyzer sidearm and will first go a lot right and then drop slightly to the left - great in the woods!
- Spike hyzerish: Throw it with as much hyzer as possible and quite high and it will flip up to a hyzer and then going far left. It will continue to try to turn, which results in going pretty much straight after having turned left (if that makes sense). Great in fairways with a 90° dog leg left after about 100 ft or if you need to pass a mando on the right side but want to end up way left. Not an easy shot to pull of, but if successful will be better than a normal stable disc which will go left but crashes quickly.
Great tips, we have one of these holes at a local course. Takes a hard turn right, probably more than 90 degrees and super wooded. I throw a Tursas on a super steep hyzer(LHBH) it bends around the corner then goes straight, a long while. If you throw something overstable you'll never get there.
I've had one for forever it was one of the disc's i started with
Got one for my wife and then for myself. You can also throw a low ceiling backhand roller that hits the ground 20 feet in front of you on a lot of angle, will go straight for 200 feet and then curl left. This throw can be done with like 20% power.
I bag 2 Diamonds. 2 different plastics. I started with the Opto plastic and when I started turning it over, I switched to a different plastic. Now I can hyzer flip it and get great glide out of it.
I love the 9 speed Sidewinder for long hyzer flip turnovers. I've been looking for an 8 speed disc that does the same thing!!!
I traded someone for a Diamond about a month after shoulder surgery. I played forehand only, I don't have a good forehand, and it was actually pretty fun. It is also my first very understable disc. I'd suggest it if you have never tried it or want to learn more about angles.
Really good disc to throw when you have good tail wind and throw it with a slight hyzer and will go fairly straight.
the max weight diamond was a workhorse disc in my bag being a left handed player without good distance from forehands. My Dad fell in love with it too and stole it from me.
I bag one I stole from a friend. He said it was unthrowable so i threw it once. Loved it. Stole it. Throw that thing flat to slight hyzer and it hits that roller angle just perfect.
Trevor's closing monologue was fantastic. 🤣
if you can find it--the opto air diamond is pretty awesome for a light left right turning disc.
Along the story of left (or off) hand throwing, playing the card game RIPT. This gives you the opportunity to have a good disc for left (or off) hand throws. I used the Latitude 64 Bolt for a 320' straight shot and nearly aced it with my off hand due to its under-stability.
my gold ice fuse has beaten in to be like a -3 turn. I was about to take it out of my bag but was on the course yesterday and threw 3 really sick lines with it!
Fury is a great step up from a Diamond, once you can throw a Diamond 300ft. Love these discs
I carried a few diamonds early on to learn back hand throws. My forehand was good enough but the diamond helped me along my way. I sold em all to a lady who still throws them.
Just aced with my diamond on Thursday!
I swore by my Latitude "Easy to Throw" discs for the first 6 months of learning. The Diamond was my max distance until my arm speed improved, then shifted to my Annie/turn over disc, but is now too much of a turn-n-burn. Hadn't thought of trying it for easy rollers. Looks like something to try for my next field day session.
Could be beat in also
@@FearTheWeird300 For sure, although I tried a new one recently and it was too floppy for turnovers. Using a Maverick for that shot now.
Just bought one today to replace the roadrunner that hit the road and ran away... also had a sidewinder that winded it's way down the side of a hill and disappeared into the lake..
Chain Raider Disc Golf did a good review of this disc in the Carat line. He had a guy that is 71 years old and still smashing chains, join him for the review.
Diamond was the first disc I ever got to fly like a disc should the day I started playing disc golf.
I recommend this disc for all beginners too! Trevor, try mvp's impulse for rollers. I've rolled mine 650' on a flat golf course. My max air distance is only 450'. You won't have to force it over too much and it doesn't curl out as fast as the diamond. Anyone looking for a "faster diamond" for air shots should try an orbital by mvp. I'm not sponsored by mvp. They are just great discs!
I've been playing for over 10 years and can't throw distance. I love short courses and can't score well on long or normal courses. I got a Rollo and still not impressive. distance but the disc goes where I want it to, like magic! Perhaps the Diamond is the answer for range?
Found one brand new on a random course with no number.I hit the jackpot
I love the diamond as a guy that plays from a wheelchair it's probably my favorites disc in my bag
Diamond is actually something you shouldn't think of as "way too flippy". It's definately flippy but you can control it. Not like a 300s F7. And with the Opto plastic it lasts a long time. It's purpose in the bag changes as a player gains armspeed.
I bag one for tight line wooded turnover shots . You can really do some fun stuff with it .
Great review!!
I own a disc store in Japan, and Diamond is by far our most popular disc sold. Personally I advise against it, because I've seen far too many people achieve a normal flight from Diamond and then just call it quits, never bothering to learn proper form, and consequently hating "real" discs for being too OS and too heavy for their style, because their style relies entirely on a disc being light and flippy. For a beginner will it add a bit of distance and fun? Yes, probably. Will it cripple your long-term progression and reinforce bad form and habits? Also yes. The other disc guilty of this (but even worse) is Mamba. When I see someone with a 250 foot arm throwing a Mamba I know they're doomed.
The disc I recommend instead is a 165-170g River (or Crave, now that everyone is drooling for MVP plastic). They are equally as awesome for total beginners, but the main difference is that when you're hitting 950 ratings or higher, you'll still be reaching for the River or Crave regularly, and not just for rollers (although great for that).
Don't get me wrong folks, this isn't an attack, it's my well-intentioned opinion and advice for people wanting to learn and improve. Can you learn and improve while throwing a Diamond? Absolutely - just be sure to not fall into the trap of thinking you don't need to work on form just because your Diamond is working for you.
As a ten speed armed 55yo with a max330ft throw... I got 340ft with my Gold Orbit 10 Year Anniversary Diamond.
Near 45deg Hyzer and full effort (see 55 comment above) and it flips up to straight, a little high, and runs right (from my RHBR).
This is also my go-to disc for uphill tail or cross wind..
BONUS TIP... In a Cross Wind...
you MUST try throwing something flippy like a Diamond with the wind to your BACK on a high cross wind..
Throw it flat to slight Hyzer...
I promice.. Get it right (and it's actually very easy)... and you will NEVER throw an overstable in a crosswind again.
I practiced this in a 40+kph wind and was hitting the fence on a 250ft wide playing field even with forearm (and I have no sidearm at all over 200ft and wrench my back muscle on the left so reserve it for a narrow with hard kick right forest shot with my Tesla (and DFx Resistor at night with a bit more effort and maybe even a little Anhyzer)
Oh and I tried overstable in my tests. The resistor (on the day I got it incidentally), The Tesla, A new Rive, and 'Mr broken' (I have an RPM Kotare that I can throw 45deg Anhyzer INTO that 40+ wind and it WILL fade out, often to 45deg opposite lock... In a gale it's pretty to watch when the others have all thrown their Beefs on Hyzer... and I proclaim.. "Lets throw this sucker on Anhyzer".
I had it fight a howling gale uphill to a ridge about 30ft above and 270ft away... Threw 45 Anhyzer so it wouldn't fade left... and it immediately flipped to flat then jumped up and down in the wind all the way to the top.. equalling any other condition shot I have done there...
I bag a 170 gram diamond now and it's a great fairway if you can only throw 300 feet max!
I've only been playing a few months and the Diamond is my favorite fairway driver. I can't throw a 9 speed.
I use a genius for some shots and just throw it soft on a crazy spike hyzer angle and it will flip up a bit not quite to flat and go so far left
I bought a Diamond when I was first starting and within a month realized I was Turing it over all the time. I was about to remove it from my bag but after seeing that it can be used for specific shots it may stay in. Thanks for the review and the information on how it can be used for everyone.
mine goes out flat for about 75-100 feet then takes a hard turn to the right, almost turning vertical then rolls straight right from my target. doesn't turn itself over for a straight roller, only 90 degrees right.
Phenomenal point there with the “guaranteed” discs - not a lot of people mention that under stable discs can be reliable and predictably flippy just like your flattop firebird is predictably stable. Biggest reason I love my F5s is because I know exactly how they’re going to turn every time
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Another similar disc that is just a little more stable the Jade, also by Lat. 64.
I bag a diamond and essence love both.
I'll never understand why many advanced players don't throw these discs. All the flights you demonstrated are so useful on technical courses, maybe its due to where I come from (Northeast) needing those shots all the time.
The shot shape is not the same when thrown with pro power.
Nice review. I’m a huge proponent of the Diamond
A lot of old timers shred the fairways with these around here.
I used to throw this disc a lot.
Diamond is insanely flippy. Its a utility disc for me. I use it for those steep uphill flip to flat shots in the woods. Unless Im throwing it nose up and hyzer, its basically useless. I actually find the Pearl to be more useful, since at least its not suggesting itself as a 'driver'. Fwiw, Im just a noodle arm 250'-280' tosser from the 90's scene.
Diamond was my sons 1st disc. We have since passed it down to another new kid.
I use it for sharp rollers in the woods
Bought one for my buddy's wife, he wasn't sure what to get so I got it for her birthday.
Its easy to use.
I love the diamond especially since my forehand isn’t the greatest
if you are new to disc golf or have trouble getting arm speed and youre trying to force s turns with overstable discs, please please please, understable and low speed!! i try to emphasize this to everyone i introduce this sport to
I have 3 bagged.
I had a F7 in this spot I lost. Might replace it.
Loved that thing. Could hyzer flip jump putt for flip to flat 90' then hard fade and ground. Such a great utility.
Sadly, my Diamond is under about 30 feet of water. I miss it because I don't have a forehead.
I only throw diamonds in the dark when no one’s around
Lat discs are money--when I introduce new players I let them use my opto diamond... then I tell them the next step is an opto Saint not pro.
Check out the maul or river.
Bro.. that’s my roller disc lmao
Way too understable
first! :P
I think I lost a few rating points watching you am3's throw these discs.
Beginners are so embarrassing
Hey...crazy thought....what if you ACTUALLY brought a beginner out there to throw it...