Voyager was my favourite ST. However, I didn't like the sudden ending when they reached Earth. Would've been good if they had a few episodes portraying the events that followed once they came home.
From what I've read it's the biggest regrets of the writers and actors that they didn't do that, have some parade for them, giving all the character a ending rather than "ohh I see earth, all's fine now, the end". If I remember correctly it was in part due to network stuff and other episodes already being planned.
Don't get me wrong.....I grew up watching Next Gen and it will always be "MY" Star Trek, but watching Voyager is like hanging out with an old friend!! Love it!!
There's something nostalgic and relaxing about that hum of the ship and console noises, the background music, that you only get in Voyager. TNG has its own soundscape that I love too, but Voyager's is different somehow.
Good for you, not listening to others badmouthing what you like. You should still be open to constructive criticism to see and accept the flaws in this very flawed show.
I think it's because they never gave it a chance. After finishing a series, I always hated the next crew. I was the same way, but throughout each series, I really liked each crew. Only person I couldn't stand was Sisko from DS9. Complaining about oppression in the 24th century? 😂😂
Didn't give it a chance? Ok. After watching the entire series 3 times, I'm still in the "this is terrible" camp. Like the Gene-era Treks, Voyager was frequently pitting their crew up against moral dilemmas. Unlike those other shows, they would frequently pick the GREATER of two evils in those situations. Janeway was incompetent. The beep-boop sci-babble was cranked up higher than any other Trek. Oh, and ONE WORD: Tuvix. QED.
"It may be possible to occupy every single point in the universe simultaneously" She just described the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. All they needed to do now was figure out the question to which the answer is 42.
Can you imagine unleashing Janeway on the multiverse? My god, the sheer horror of it all. Every universe, mined for coffee by countless species that she has assimilated into her crew, all being fed by Neelix, being forced to endure his endless stories and proverbs and sayings.
You know someone who really HATES Neelix ? Is someone who starts playing STO, gets to Delta quadrant missions and purposefully fails the Neelix missions, just to hear him scream in agony as he dies in phaser fire. Then repeats them !
I wonder how Janeway & the USS Voyager crew would have reacted to somehow learning about the USS Discovery, it's spore-drive... & Starfleet's coverup..?
Well....I figure that how they handled discovering Capt. Ransom and the Equinox using those lifeforms as fuel would be a similar reaction to the revelation about Starfleet developing the DASH (the spore drive's official name is the Displacement Activated Spore Hub) drive....it gets them home and near-instantaneously, but at what cost? The spores used to work the drive had to be collected/harvested and at a much more frequent rate than what dilithium needs to be obtained at for powering the warp drive. So, I could see a healthy debate about the morals of using it and why Starfleet hid the tech from everyone.
@@seanbirch9663 what is a good fan? Accept anything shown on screen without logical thinking? Of course you're right about lizards and reptiles, but I never said they are different creatures. I'm a Star Trek fan, but not a Voyager fan specifically.
Voyager returns, Janeway is promoted to Admiral, and she's reading some classified documents "What's a spore drive?" Oh it's this thing that.. ahem.. could instantly jump across the galaxy over and over and over. "It. Could. Do... What?!"
Aside from Spock, Worf and Jadzia Dax, I always felt Voyager had the best characters: Chakotay, Seven, the Doctor, B'elanna... and Tuvok was a welcome addition to understanding what made Vulcans tick.
What if Voyager was SUPPOSED to take as long as she did getting back to Earth? What if someone or something they interacted with or contacted or whatever between where the Spore Drive took them and Earth didn't happen and it was either beneficial toward humanity or not? What if Voyager's interactions with the Borg or Species 8472 impacted either one and changed humanity for the better/worse from there on?
That is sorta what Q implied when he refused to return Voyager to Earth. Considering how they "defeated" the Borg, it makes sense they had a purpose in the Delta Quadrant.
The reason Voyager couldn't use the spore hub drive to get home… …Its saucer wasn't circular, so it couldn't spin. "Make it spin!" -Puppet George Hammond, Stargate SG-1 episode "200".
They didn't need to get home because they weren't really lost. You can't say you're lost when stumbling on Klingons & Ferengis all the time. Also, they managed to get home at least once a year while trying to get back home...
@@fenrislegacy Uh, what? The Alpha species they encountered were just as stranded as they were, in the case of the Ferengi, they were from a TNG episode about a wormhole that had an unstable terminus. The Enterprise was negotiating against the Ferengi for exclusive access to the Alpha terminus of the wormhole and both sent an exploratory shuttle to the other side as part of the negotiation. The Enterprise shuttle detected unusual readings from the Delta terminus and realized it was about to shift and tried to warn the Ferengi shuttle, who ignored the warning and were surprised when the Delta terminus shifted and they were stuck in the Delta Quadrant. The Klingons were on a religious crusade, following an ancient prophecy that told them to seek the "kuvah'magh" in a distant part of the galaxy and had left the Klingon Empire before the signing of the Khitomer Accords, so at least 80 years prior to the episode. The cruiser was turned into a generational ship, as evidenced by the children and families on board, and considering the most conservative estimates for Voyager returning home put their own journey at 70 years, it tracks that the Klingon ship, which was slower because of its more primitive warp drive, would have taken 80-100 years to reach that part of the Delta Quadrant. Other than that, the only other Alpha Quadrant ships they encountered was the USS Equinox, which was also brought to the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker several years before Voyager and the Voth, who descended from intelligent dinosaurs from Earth. There was also their contact with the Romulan commander through the unstable wormhole in Season 1, but considering that wormhole also traveled back to the past, and given tensions between Romulus and the Federation at that time, there's no guarantee (nor evidence) that the messages left with the Romulan commander were ever sent to the Federation. Project Pathfinder wasn't instituted until Voyager was much closer to the Alpha Quadrant and even then the distance was so great that they could only send one-way burst transmissions as real time communication wasn't possible due to the massive distances involved.
@@fenrislegacy You're full of shit. Those ferengi were stranded. And how did they "manage to get home at least once a year?" You mean the time travel one where they were stuck in the 90's? Rewatch the series...
Oh yeah, and the gene editing tech to give basically anyone spore drive navigation capabilities but despite it being a really minor and benign modification, Federation law prevents it from being used everywhere in the galaxy. Pretty sure the Rommies, Cardies, Emerald Chain, and Klinks wouldn't have such scruples but apparently their collective scientific abilities over a thousand years are inferior to this one dude from the 22nd century named Stamets. The way all Trek shows sweep their own MacGuffins under the rug like this routinely reaches absurd levels.
@@tanja8930 When Discovery vanished at the end of Season 2, Spock recommended erasing all records of the spore drive's existence, thus preventing any further suffering. Not only does that explain why the technology vanished with Discovery, but it also keeps with the Federation's activities during that period.
She didn't go quantum though, she went to subspace. I always thought that was a different dimension. Quantum is our dimension but really really small. :)
The writers of Voyager just threw away "Suspiria" in a one off episode, instead of making the search for Caretaker's counterpart a subplot. Wasted potential. Of course part of that probably was the studio insisting on the episodic format.
I prefer the episodic format. I can watch any Voyager episode (as long as it's not a part 2) from any point and enjoy it. Sure, you get your good and bad episodes, but they're mostly very good - and episodic means so much more variety. Discovery is like a bad episode that never ends. In fact, I would rather watch a 10 hour version of TNG's The Outcast.
I just realized that "Two Broke Girls" was formated after Voyager, where after each episode of Voager they were so much closer to home (or not), while TBGs was so much closer to their $$$ goal (or not).
2:06 Tuvok... in the words of Seven of Nine: “You are in error.” Beyond the subatomic are the parts that make up subatomic particles: Quarks; and the things that bind quarks into subatomic particles: Gluons, or, perhaps, the gluon field. Also, beyond the subatomic is the smallest meaningful length possible: The Planck length, and beyond THAT are things that exist, but have no dimensions; ie photons, singularities, and ringularities.
@@pianoman1379 LOL , Some time ago a frieng gave me Discovery season one on a usb memory stick ,I watched enough episodes to 'discover " they were changing star trek history.Jist don't like it all would never pay for it .Same goes for the Picard series
@@lenkubiak3051 Not really, it is based on events in the star trek universe, it is just what is called divergent reality. As for Picard, it is set way after the TNG and Voyager, how is is "changing star trek" other than it not being in the traditional TV show format? Discovery has also changed a lot since season one, events in season 2 mean season 3 starts with them being in distant future where the federation is basically dead. I think its a fun show to watch even if it does not go with "traditional" star trek episodic content, its a product of the internet age.
Somewhere out there in a temporal displacement ,Voyager and it's crew still continue on in our imaginations and in our hearts traveling on towards home
Makes me think of the episode where another voyager crew gets almost home, but then disintegrates at the last second because they were just a copy. One of my favorite episodes.
But if this had happened the Borg would not have been weakened. Vpyager's long time away from home was sad, but the crew's destroying of the Borg transwarp hub was a huge set back for the Borg and secured security from the Borg threat for the Alpha and Beta quadrants (at least for a while.). Perhaps it was just chance, or perhaps it was always meant to happen!
"We are the Borg, lower your..." Janeway: *cuts transmission* "Not this time. Janeway to Discovery, now!" Saru: "Stamets, engage the spore drive!" Stamets: "I love you Huge, I'll always love you" Saru: "STAMETS!!" Stamets: "Whilst the stars still shine, my love for you will burn bright, Hugh" Janeway: "Chakotay... Arm the self destruct"
I’m rewatching Enterprise right now, after having gone through DS9, VOY, TNG and TOS. I can’t believe how much I’m liking Enterprise. It definitely feels like quality Star Trek to me.
This does actually raise an important point: the spore drive worked. I know the Mirror Universe one poisoned the network, but the Discovery one seemed to work fine. And really, the only 'bad' thing about it is needing a human navigator. But are we really to believe that Section 31 would ignore the spore drive over that? "Sloane, if we build a spore drive ship, we can instantly transport to any Dominion base and destroy it from the inside. We can go to the homeworld of the Founders, and destroy them without warning. We could send the ship into the Romulan sector, and destabilize the Reman mines just like we messed up Praxis..." "Yes, but it involves making a human being mildly uncomfortable so they can navigate the ship. So clearly, we're not gonna do that, are we Burke?" Give me a fucking break.
Well to DIS's leaps in logic. The sad thing is, the series would be about half as bad as it is if they hadn't insisted on making it a prequel. The storytelling still would have been messy but at least it would make some amount of sense in continuity.
@@quinnsinclair7028 Not only that, they could explain that the research was started as an resque option to Voyager. Also when Voyager returned with info about more advanced civilizations, that are willing to trade it was pushed toward completion. Entire series would be a dillemma between exploration (TNG style) and gains from it (Section 31 agents onboard).
@@crank1985 Now you see, THAT is something I would watch. In two comments, you and Quinn have basically turned Discovery from piss-poor canon-breaking rubbish into a really interesting, fun concept. And Jordan B - yeah, exactly. Doctor Who, Star Wars (at least the Kathleen Kennedy-led stuff), Star Trek, all ruined by people who just don't know about the franchises and don't care.
Voyager was known as ST: VOY or just VOY, but never STV Enterprise was known as ST: ENT or just ENT, but never STE So Discovery should be known as ST: DIS or just DIS, but not STD
@@mavoc3094 deep space 9 = DS9. The next generation = TNG. It's really up to the fans, and "discovery" is silly, because it shares its name with too many other things, including a TV channel.
@@rockspoon6528 Exactly the pattern goes, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS. If the conversation happens outside of the topic of star trek then ST: can be added before it for context.
@@rockspoon6528 Here are a few examples for you then. th-cam.com/video/nzJ6hKdiFJ0/w-d-xo.html arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/02/if-you-grew-up-watching-st-tng-then-youll-love-this-new-podcast/ www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/gf0ua/best_episode_of_stds9_vote/
Just more proof that STD takes place in a parallel universe, not the "prime" timeline. No way in hell would the Federation "forget" that kind of technology. I REALLY hope that rumor about NBC buying the rights to Star Trek from CBS is true.
You're confused, atari. Prime means FIRST. What series came first? TOS came first. It started the Geneverse. TNG, DS9, and VOY are all part of the Geneverse/Prime Universe. ENT made a temporal mess of things, but at least it still had the Spirit of Star Trek. I guess Agent Daniels fixed the messes after the show's cancellation. But I digress. That said, STD has NEVER had the spirit of StarTrek. Gene's vision of a brighter utopian future went right out the window. At least Star Trek's Spirit lives on. It found a new home with The Orville.
Star Trek's "Prime" timeline, as a concept, was invented for the 2009 reboot movie. It only exists as a means to compartmentalize the different series' for CBS/Paramount's rights issues. When folks say STD and Picard are in the "Prime" timeline, that doesn't mean they're in the classic TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT timeline. They're in the Red Matter Spock "Prime" timeline, which is in the EdgyCool reboot universe.
So why didn't _Voyager_ reverse engineer a cloaking device and just stay invisible all the time to avoid trouble with the Kazon, the Borg, etc? I guess TOS/DS9/ENT aren't prime timeline, either?
Love Voyager, love the cast more than any other trek. There's literally no one to dislike. From the Captain to every member of the senior staff it truly is an amazing lineup. In every other trek there is at least one if not more than one main character I just don't enjoy at all. Furthermore I just like the premise of voyager better. No Federation to call for backup, no typical overplayed storylines about untrusting Vulcans and overly aggressive Klingons.. It was new, fresh. Lost in space in a sense. With hostile species attacking them every few episodes or more. And it just got better over the seasons. Isn't that something to miss right? Shows these days seem to get progressively worse until they get cancelled. By the last couple seasons of voyager we were getting movie quality specials pretty often. It truly is a shame we get Picard all these years later but not Voyager
didn't dislike him, but Chakotay was way to bland for my taste, especially for such a central character. comparing him to Riker he might as well be a pole, but at least they don't have to deal with Diana Troy...ugh
0:03 That was Admiral Hays. The same Starfleet higher-up who briefed Picard about the Borg in "First Contact." By the next movie, Janeway took Hays' place! 😂😂😂
I thought it was the episode where Janeway had to decide, in an episode where another Q was released from a comet prison and wanted to die, whether he was to go free as a human, or be put back into the prison comet.
I just watched that episode lastnight, it wasn't the spore drive, it was bellana, Paris and Kim working on warp 10.... which they succeeded... with some issues afterwards
Despite being cobbled together from half a dozen episodes with entirely different plots, this made way more sense than any single episode of STD or STP.
Wow! That’s pretty cool. If only they had this “spore drive” thing in the Star Trek universe/franchise! It could have cut years off of Voyager’s trip home.
Tuvok : Something must have happened to the crew CBS Corporation late 2020 : We fired everyone (including Kurtzman) because we got tired of losing viewers and money.
@@tomitiustritus6672 If only they had but no so if you like this scifi show incorrectly named Star Trek sadly it's still running at least one more stinking year.
@@bigoz169 hmm. I mean i am totally not stoked about what they are doing with Star Trek now, but i personally probably wouldn't wish it cancelled. I vividly remember how ST Enterprise got snubbed by fans until it got cancelled. Now, most people consider Enterprise the last of the "good old Trek". If they cancel the current ones, the franchise is likely going to be considered revenue poison again, like after Enterprise. And after the second ouchi, the studios will steer clear of Star Trek for a loooong time. As long as they do shit with it, it can improve. Discovery and Picard have quite big problems in terms of writing and a bit in terms of identity. But i see a lot of improvements in STD (hehe, still love that abbreviation) in the second season. The "Mirror Universe" thing at the end of S1 did also help. There are a few relatively good episodes in S2. Blatant redconning and jarring inconsistencies were always part of Star Trek anyways. And i have to be honest, with the D9 back and the Klingons growing some pubes on their heads, I think their visual rework isn't that bad. Now only Burnham and the spore drive need to blow up in a season finale and all is well again. Still not stoked and i still haven't watched all STD and probably won't, but i think i'll take this round a little easy. I think we should remember that the Enterprise disaster was the ultimate reason for why the studios made newTrek how it is and didn't make one for so long. And that Enterprise disaster was caused by the fanbase loosing their minds that this isn't Star Trek anymore. I guarantee there are still 70 year old dudes that are mad about TNGs Klingon rework.
@@tomitiustritus6672 hey I wouldn't want people losing their jobs but the best way to fix this is for it to not be considered a Star Trek show and go on from there this show is too silly and I loved Enterprise compared to this and considering I grew up in the 70s with the original series oh you know how I feel about this then being considered Star Trek especially when I heard that Spock had dyslexia at that point I felt the show should be canceled but they can just say hey this was a joke sorry and just rename it something else. And that's for blaming Enterprise for ending up with this travesty it's a cop out because the formula still works look at the Orville. It's like Disney Paramount well just about everybody nowadays only care about their little activisms and literally have no ideas anymore making them creatively bankrupt and it's sad.
@@bigoz169 I'm not blaming Enterprise. I blame the failure of Enterprise to be the reason Star Trek was considered to be quota poison by the studios for quite some time. Not that it is, but that the Studios weren't or aren't willing to take that financial risk. To be fair, the quota decline started earlier. Possibly Voyagers relatively lukewarm reception didn't help. Some say the franchise was just oversaturated at that point. But it doesn't change that the studios considered Enterprise a failure. Nemesis also didn't do so well. That's why they avoid it in television. And that failure was in big parts due to the fan outrage for being 'not Star Trek enough'. A classic shooting your own knee scenario. What I am weary of is that these new series being cancelled, rather than improving to at least tolerable levels (they do show that they start to listen a bit to fans. Maybe that's something that can be expanded) may lead to the entire franchise being a pariah for the studios again for another 15 years or so.
Proves how propesterous the spore drive was in cannon, more advanced than any technology starfleet has possessed but was just a blaze plot point in Discovery
A blaze is a Minecraft mob dude. I'm sure you mean blazé. Also no more preposterous than slipstream or trans-warp conduits. Every new concept in Star Trek is considered "preposterous" by the people who hail to be fans of a series about open-mindedness and discovery, only to be eventually accepted as part of the canon just in time for those same fans to complain about the next new technology in a series about new technology. Also the spore drive appears to be based on an exaggerated version of quantum tunneling, which is at least feasible (in a sci-fi context). A lot more feasible, I'd say, than some tunnels of destiny running through some subspace dimension (yea, transwarp, I'm looking at you).
ST Discovery traveled a 1000 years into the future and the people there still didn't figure out transwarp. One would think they could have reverse engineered an abondened Borg cube or something in those 1000 years.
Given the moral implications why Discovery stopped using the Sprore drive, if Janeway found a way to recreate it and use it, she wouldn't. This should have ended with Voyager destroying Discovery.
It would be a right bitch if it didn't stop spinning in the same spot. There goes your short stroll to the bridge and that guy you liked across the hallway.
What about the 32nd century? ... Discovery jumped 900 years into the future, aka the 32nd Century, for season 3 (which is supposed to come out in 2 months).
Captain Hepburn Janeway, is awesome. The last episode from Voyager, she changed the course of history. I always think of the lives lost in that time line. I heard Janeway say, " cause and effect has no bearing on temporal mechanics."
Ohh, I watched Star Trek: Short Stories "Calypso" the vessel had to hold it's position for 1000 years. For Voyager! Dun Duh Dah! If that happened, they would have not been eaten by a Borg sphere and blow it's way out and not be called the "Janeway Protocol"
I want to see a video like this where Star Fleet explains to Voyager that they can get home using a “spore drive” - and then everybody on Voyager becomes incapacitated by uncontrollable laughter.
For anyone curious, the lore reason this doesn't happen is that as far as Starfleet knows (until the 32nd century) it had a 100% failure rate, destroying both ships with it equipped resulting in the loss of all hands, and as such was considered to risky. The only people who knew otherwise took the secret to their graves. Kinda stuff you have to come up with when doing prequels
The idea they would scrap the project entirely and never do it with smaller scale and lower risks is just silly. Imagine Sacrifice of Angels. "We can literally beat the Dominion and retake DS9 before the first Jem'Hadar ship even breaks formation!" "Nah."
In the 32nd century, they've upgraded the comm-badge to include transporter function. Why not make it BIGGER and install it on their ships??? It's like a "spore jump" and ships won't rely on warp drive alone for travel and missions
alot of his "RIPS" is BS misinformation he cuts videos to make things seem more incorecherant then they are constantly leaving out essential information if it dose not suit his BS quit follow like a sheep dumbass star trek has ALWAYS has continuity errors lots of them STD has not veered off anymore then any of the other fuck wad
Spore drive? Everyone knows Janeway's ship runs on coffee.
Lol
Make it yourself
Sperm drive.😝
Black Coffee Hot Matters !
Fire the Tricoffee torpedoes, maximum yield.
Voyager was my favourite ST. However, I didn't like the sudden ending when they reached Earth. Would've been good if they had a few episodes portraying the events that followed once they came home.
Agreed.
Voyager needed 1 more episode showing the crew at home, Harry seeing his ex girlfriend, Tom meeting his dad, Janeway seeing Mark and so much more.
You betcha!! After 7 seasons and that was it!!???? That’s it!!???? Come on!! What a frigging let down!!!
Right. Didn't get to see Janeway make admiral.
From what I've read it's the biggest regrets of the writers and actors that they didn't do that, have some parade for them, giving all the character a ending rather than "ohh I see earth, all's fine now, the end". If I remember correctly it was in part due to network stuff and other episodes already being planned.
Don't get me wrong.....I grew up watching Next Gen and it will always be "MY" Star Trek, but watching Voyager is like hanging out with an old friend!! Love it!!
There's something nostalgic and relaxing about that hum of the ship and console noises, the background music, that you only get in Voyager. TNG has its own soundscape that I love too, but Voyager's is different somehow.
CptSchmidt amen
I feel like voyager felt a bit homier than Tng in a way.
Listen to star trek sleep sounds for whitenoise.
I find Voyager to be the most enjoyable rewatch
Dale Sexton That’s a great point! I like clips of Tng on TH-cam, but I like rewatching voyager episodes more than any other trek
‘Looks like they’ve taken a whole new approach to starship design’ 😂
Benny Malone cracked me up too. Damn dry chakotey
Yeah, a fucking disgusting approach
Captain, it appears their technology is derived from pizza cutters.
Taken a HOLE new approach, get it? Get it?
Discovery is pretty much a literal Star Trek pizza cutter.
People always hate on voyager but It's still my favourite.
Good for you, not listening to others badmouthing what you like. You should still be open to constructive criticism to see and accept the flaws in this very flawed show.
I think it's because they never gave it a chance. After finishing a series, I always hated the next crew. I was the same way, but throughout each series, I really liked each crew.
Only person I couldn't stand was Sisko from DS9. Complaining about oppression in the 24th century? 😂😂
Didn't give it a chance? Ok.
After watching the entire series 3 times, I'm still in the "this is terrible" camp. Like the Gene-era Treks, Voyager was frequently pitting their crew up against moral dilemmas. Unlike those other shows, they would frequently pick the GREATER of two evils in those situations. Janeway was incompetent. The beep-boop sci-babble was cranked up higher than any other Trek. Oh, and ONE WORD: Tuvix. QED.
It was decent, and compared to recent offerings it's a god damn masterpiece...
@@shionkreth7536
Solid point.
I miss listening to those button noises and that intro. Voyager was fun to watch.
.... And, listen to!😀
same here i miss the buttons
I found the other treks boring. Voyager however entertaining
Mulgrew put lots of effort into bringing Janeway to life. The other Captains seemed bored at times. I rewatch Voyager once a year. Not even kidding.
@@I.Odnamra me 2 👍
The caffeine drive core is what truly moved Voyager
Copied the comment above this one, lame.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Not that serious dude.
"Beyond subatomic"
*Shows footage of tardigrades- real and very much not subatomic.
Definitely not the same as those in reality.
Kes went beyond the subatomic...
Should have edited in the Microverse from Ant Man
@@Johnny-rx4hs with Ant-Man in it
"I will show you how to manipulate the flame on the subatomic level"
Like flames are made up of atoms and have a subatomic level LOL
Lol I was just thinking this as I was watching it lol.
Even funnier when you realize Kirsten Beyer , who's writing the series bible for nuTrek, had scripts for Voyager rejected at least 4 times
We fucked.
Wow a Voyager reject... and 4 times? That's impressive.
VOY is the worst of Star Trek
STD is not Star Trek
Star Trek died in 2005
Her Voyager books are fantastic, though!
@@humankirk9196 Voyager was the best
I lost it when Kes looked deep into the flame (starting at 1:52 ) and saw Tardigrades doing laps.
@AmplifiedSilence Yeah, I did catch that. They shoulda been a few factors of ten up the mag. scale. Unless.... Lmao
Ant Man should have been there too. 😉
That was not the actual footage from the show. Whoever made this video pasted scenes together.
Michael Lee - always thought she was particularly sexy. Short hair and kind of a deeper sexy voice. Ah Yeah....
@@adammiller6606 yeah, hated when they replaced her with sue of nine.
"It may be possible to occupy every single point in the universe simultaneously"
She just described the Infinite Improbability Drive from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. All they needed to do now was figure out the question to which the answer is 42.
And two very hot cups of coffee.
@@molybdaen11 One cup of very hot tea aka brownian motion generator
@@CaptHollister 42?? you need to ask Marvin.. :E :P
hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite_Improbability_Drive
How much is 21 + 21 ?
@@stevenattanasso2003 Or- what is 7 x 6?
"Pass through every point in the Universe simultaneously.."? You mean an Infinite Improbably Drive?
As long as every crew member remembers a towel.
Next thing you know, you’ll turn into Salamanders and have kids with the Captain.
Fantastic.
infinite and plot drive systems? Missing writer papers maybe.
@@1D991 Hitchhikers Guide fan! I commend you sir!!!
Can you imagine unleashing Janeway on the multiverse? My god, the sheer horror of it all.
Every universe, mined for coffee by countless species that she has assimilated into her crew, all being fed by Neelix, being forced to endure his endless stories and proverbs and sayings.
You know someone who really HATES Neelix ? Is someone who starts playing STO, gets to Delta quadrant missions and purposefully fails the Neelix missions, just to hear him scream in agony as he dies in phaser fire. Then repeats them !
Don’t forget the Leola root stew 🍲.
😆
Ah yes the coffee borg queen Janeway. Your distinctive bevarages will be added to our own.
LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wonder how Janeway & the USS Voyager crew would have reacted to somehow learning about the USS Discovery, it's spore-drive... & Starfleet's coverup..?
Well....I figure that how they handled discovering Capt. Ransom and the Equinox using those lifeforms as fuel would be a similar reaction to the revelation about Starfleet developing the DASH (the spore drive's official name is the Displacement Activated Spore Hub) drive....it gets them home and near-instantaneously, but at what cost? The spores used to work the drive had to be collected/harvested and at a much more frequent rate than what dilithium needs to be obtained at for powering the warp drive.
So, I could see a healthy debate about the morals of using it and why Starfleet hid the tech from everyone.
Yeah like a century before
@@generalilbis Considering how much genocide that Voyager committed, the price seems rather low.
Time shinanigans involving Janeway blowing the Voyager the fuck up again.
They never would as STD is not star trek
Voyager had a lot of nonsense in it but at least some coherence
No one had to inject spore monster DNA into themselves.
@@ge2719 did you watch the Voyager episode where Torres, Kim and Paris break the transwarp barrier and devolve into lizards and reptiles?
@@braveintofuture It was only Paris and Janeway.
@@braveintofuture You're a bad fan. And lizards are a subgroup of reptiles. Also, they were amphibian.
Try harder next time.
@@seanbirch9663 what is a good fan? Accept anything shown on screen without logical thinking?
Of course you're right about lizards and reptiles, but I never said they are different creatures.
I'm a Star Trek fan, but not a Voyager fan specifically.
The Discovery looks like a damned cartoon when viewed against the backdrop of the Voyager bridge.
Eh... I'd say it looks more like a video game.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph yeah but it is a good show
@@kijiji9790 Hahaha
Its the lighting
Oh! That...I havent watched Voyager yet and was really confused why they had such...elaborately designed special effects...that didn't move haha.
Voyager returns, Janeway is promoted to Admiral, and she's reading some classified documents
"What's a spore drive?"
Oh it's this thing that.. ahem.. could instantly jump across the galaxy over and over and over.
"It. Could. Do... What?!"
they aren't in same version of universe but leave that aside why they never used spore drive after the burn
@@Soly_SA there in the same universe what you on about
@@firstname9954 Discovery is before TOS, so in both since the Kelvin timeline changed from the Prime just before TOS.
@@firstname9954 Who gives a shit? Discovery sucks anyway. And at least for me, it will never, ever become canon....
@@firstname9954 wait, explain this again? Which timeline is Discovery set in???
"No sign of life aboard..." Yup, sounds just like the Discovery crew alright.
Incoming Transmission: "Ain't that f*
You write better oh you can't
@@tech83studio38 At least I can use punctuation.
Cap intercepted transmission from Discovery it says "I love science"
Captain- ohh we r fucked aren't we
They all died of acute wokeness.
"our speed is impossible"
like tom you literally went at infinite speed
We don't speak of Threshold.
This video needed a last scene where they're all lizards.
Without turning into lizards 😂
So is that the same as ludacris speed , before going plad.
@@VygerST Actually if you go past plad you go to scale print
Voyager was my favorite, I felt like the core crew were close, and I loved the idea getting back home being over 70 years away
Aside from Spock, Worf and Jadzia Dax, I always felt Voyager had the best characters: Chakotay, Seven, the Doctor, B'elanna... and Tuvok was a welcome addition to understanding what made Vulcans tick.
What if Voyager was SUPPOSED to take as long as she did getting back to Earth? What if someone or something they interacted with or contacted or whatever between where the Spore Drive took them and Earth didn't happen and it was either beneficial toward humanity or not? What if Voyager's interactions with the Borg or Species 8472 impacted either one and changed humanity for the better/worse from there on?
That is sorta what Q implied when he refused to return Voyager to Earth. Considering how they "defeated" the Borg, it makes sense they had a purpose in the Delta Quadrant.
@@Valkier_Kato PIC S3 more or less confirms this
The reason Voyager couldn't use the spore hub drive to get home…
…Its saucer wasn't circular, so it couldn't spin.
"Make it spin!" -Puppet George Hammond, Stargate SG-1 episode "200".
A stargate reference? Am I in love?
They didn't need to get home because they weren't really lost. You can't say you're lost when stumbling on Klingons & Ferengis all the time. Also, they managed to get home at least once a year while trying to get back home...
@@fenrislegacy Uh, what? The Alpha species they encountered were just as stranded as they were, in the case of the Ferengi, they were from a TNG episode about a wormhole that had an unstable terminus. The Enterprise was negotiating against the Ferengi for exclusive access to the Alpha terminus of the wormhole and both sent an exploratory shuttle to the other side as part of the negotiation. The Enterprise shuttle detected unusual readings from the Delta terminus and realized it was about to shift and tried to warn the Ferengi shuttle, who ignored the warning and were surprised when the Delta terminus shifted and they were stuck in the Delta Quadrant.
The Klingons were on a religious crusade, following an ancient prophecy that told them to seek the "kuvah'magh" in a distant part of the galaxy and had left the Klingon Empire before the signing of the Khitomer Accords, so at least 80 years prior to the episode. The cruiser was turned into a generational ship, as evidenced by the children and families on board, and considering the most conservative estimates for Voyager returning home put their own journey at 70 years, it tracks that the Klingon ship, which was slower because of its more primitive warp drive, would have taken 80-100 years to reach that part of the Delta Quadrant.
Other than that, the only other Alpha Quadrant ships they encountered was the USS Equinox, which was also brought to the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker several years before Voyager and the Voth, who descended from intelligent dinosaurs from Earth. There was also their contact with the Romulan commander through the unstable wormhole in Season 1, but considering that wormhole also traveled back to the past, and given tensions between Romulus and the Federation at that time, there's no guarantee (nor evidence) that the messages left with the Romulan commander were ever sent to the Federation. Project Pathfinder wasn't instituted until Voyager was much closer to the Alpha Quadrant and even then the distance was so great that they could only send one-way burst transmissions as real time communication wasn't possible due to the massive distances involved.
@@cadkls The best part was when they went through the gate in that scene...
@@fenrislegacy You're full of shit. Those ferengi were stranded. And how did they "manage to get home at least once a year?" You mean the time travel one where they were stuck in the 90's? Rewatch the series...
"We encourage you to try..." - Words that should be on a plaque in the STD writer's room.
There is no Try, only DO!
Who knew STDs could be so inspirational.
DSC not STD
God-Emperor of NPCkind inspirational?😂. It’s at least just as bad as the fake JJ Star Trek.
@@slimyyetsatisfying6637 Why not? People used DS9 without incident. TNG too, for that matter.
so the secret of space travel is "do a barrel roll"
What about spinning? That’s a good trick
It deflects phaser fire!
That's an aileron roll.
I just saw my life flash before my eyes!
Star fox?
Starfleet: We'll do everything we can to get you home.
Also Starfleet: refuses to reveal they have a functional spore drive.
Oh yeah, and the gene editing tech to give basically anyone spore drive navigation capabilities but despite it being a really minor and benign modification, Federation law prevents it from being used everywhere in the galaxy. Pretty sure the Rommies, Cardies, Emerald Chain, and Klinks wouldn't have such scruples but apparently their collective scientific abilities over a thousand years are inferior to this one dude from the 22nd century named Stamets.
The way all Trek shows sweep their own MacGuffins under the rug like this routinely reaches absurd levels.
You are confusing real Trek with the bad, w0k3 Fanfiction ST:D.
There is no hillarious spore drive in (real) Star Trek.
@@tanja8930 When Discovery vanished at the end of Season 2, Spock recommended erasing all records of the spore drive's existence, thus preventing any further suffering. Not only does that explain why the technology vanished with Discovery, but it also keeps with the Federation's activities during that period.
I wonder if Kes ever saw Ant Man and the Wasp during her mental forays into the Quantum Realm.....🤔
She didn't go quantum though, she went to subspace. I always thought that was a different dimension. Quantum is our dimension but really really small. :)
Im dead
@@interestedinstuff1499 Yeah, but the difference is that the Quantum Realm is REAL; Subspace is just a MacGuffin.
Maybe she saw Marvel's micronauts!!🤣🤣
one minutes it's a blob the next it's a rock cool🤣
The writers of Voyager just threw away "Suspiria" in a one off episode, instead of making the search for Caretaker's counterpart a subplot. Wasted potential. Of course part of that probably was the studio insisting on the episodic format.
Well it sort of makes sense. They had no leads. It makes more sense to head straight for home than meander around in the Delta quadrant.
@@Yusuke_Denton They could've stumbled across leads, instead they stumble across Suspiria and she's stupid and the episode is disposable.
I prefer the episodic format. I can watch any Voyager episode (as long as it's not a part 2) from any point and enjoy it. Sure, you get your good and bad episodes, but they're mostly very good - and episodic means so much more variety. Discovery is like a bad episode that never ends. In fact, I would rather watch a 10 hour version of TNG's The Outcast.
@ananicetune I agree
I rather have the episodic format than a single dragged out story over an entire season with no substance and rewatchability of any 1 episode..
I just realized that "Two Broke Girls" was formated after Voyager, where after each episode of Voager they were so much closer to home (or not), while TBGs was so much closer to their $$$ goal (or not).
2:06 Tuvok... in the words of Seven of Nine: “You are in error.”
Beyond the subatomic are the parts that make up subatomic particles: Quarks; and the things that bind quarks into subatomic particles: Gluons, or, perhaps, the gluon field. Also, beyond the subatomic is the smallest meaningful length possible: The Planck length, and beyond THAT are things that exist, but have no dimensions; ie photons, singularities, and ringularities.
Quark even found a way to profit from subatomic particles?! lol
@@thunderspark1536 No he just put an ad of his bar on them
@@brbbiobreak Very good advertising if you ask me
Kes straight YEETed Voyager.
You know how the Discovery flips over whenever they use the Spore drive? That's caused by Gene Rodenberry turning over in his grave
Flipping over like that would be interesting to see if Janeways coffee stays in its cup
@@pianoman1379 LOL , Some time ago a frieng gave me Discovery season one on a usb memory stick ,I watched enough episodes to 'discover " they were changing star trek history.Jist don't like it all would never pay for it .Same goes for the Picard series
@@lenkubiak3051 remember what spock said it has always been easier to destroy than create.
@@pens8766 entropy
@@lenkubiak3051 Not really, it is based on events in the star trek universe, it is just what is called divergent reality. As for Picard, it is set way after the TNG and Voyager, how is is "changing star trek" other than it not being in the traditional TV show format?
Discovery has also changed a lot since season one, events in season 2 mean season 3 starts with them being in distant future where the federation is basically dead. I think its a fun show to watch even if it does not go with "traditional" star trek episodic content, its a product of the internet age.
Voyager: The fans don't like us
ST:Discovery: Hold my Romulan ale
Im sorry but i like discovery. So imma drink your romulan ale
@@tmyofficial1080 Discovery is pretty good if you ignore the politics
I do not understand why people hate Voyager. Voyager is my most favorite of the Star Trek series.
Somewhere out there in a temporal displacement ,Voyager and it's crew still continue on in our imaginations and in our hearts traveling on towards home
Makes me think of the episode where another voyager crew gets almost home, but then disintegrates at the last second because they were just a copy. One of my favorite episodes.
But if this had happened the Borg would not have been weakened. Vpyager's long time away from home was sad, but the crew's destroying of the Borg transwarp hub was a huge set back for the Borg and secured security from the Borg threat for the Alpha and Beta quadrants (at least for a while.). Perhaps it was just chance, or perhaps it was always meant to happen!
There were actually seven Borg Queens each with there own transwarp conduits.
I am sure Michael Burnham will beat the Borg. She can do everything.
"We are the Borg, lower your..."
Janeway: *cuts transmission* "Not this time. Janeway to Discovery, now!"
Saru: "Stamets, engage the spore drive!"
Stamets: "I love you Huge, I'll always love you"
Saru: "STAMETS!!"
Stamets: "Whilst the stars still shine, my love for you will burn bright, Hugh"
Janeway: "Chakotay... Arm the self destruct"
lol
Kkkkkkkkkkk
"It could change the very nature of our existance" she said a few hours before changing the very nature of her existance. That episode was so trippy
1:26 when the on screen images from their consoles are somehow higher resolution than the actual people watching those images.
Voyager is one of my favorite Star Trek series.
Voyager was the last series that actually felt like Star Trek.
Enterprise was okay too I thought.
Enterprise was okay after a while.
I’m rewatching Enterprise right now, after having gone through DS9, VOY, TNG and TOS. I can’t believe how much I’m liking Enterprise. It definitely feels like quality Star Trek to me.
The fact that you comb series upon series to create these awesome videos is incredible effort. I love it! 🔥👌
This does actually raise an important point: the spore drive worked. I know the Mirror Universe one poisoned the network, but the Discovery one seemed to work fine. And really, the only 'bad' thing about it is needing a human navigator.
But are we really to believe that Section 31 would ignore the spore drive over that?
"Sloane, if we build a spore drive ship, we can instantly transport to any Dominion base and destroy it from the inside. We can go to the homeworld of the Founders, and destroy them without warning. We could send the ship into the Romulan sector, and destabilize the Reman mines just like we messed up Praxis..."
"Yes, but it involves making a human being mildly uncomfortable so they can navigate the ship. So clearly, we're not gonna do that, are we Burke?"
Give me a fucking break.
Well to DIS's leaps in logic. The sad thing is, the series would be about half as bad as it is if they hadn't insisted on making it a prequel. The storytelling still would have been messy but at least it would make some amount of sense in continuity.
@@quinnsinclair7028 If it had been set after Nemesis, it could have been okay. But the people making it are incompetent, in so many ways.
@@quinnsinclair7028 Not only that, they could explain that the research was started as an resque option to Voyager. Also when Voyager returned with info about more advanced civilizations, that are willing to trade it was pushed toward completion. Entire series would be a dillemma between exploration (TNG style) and gains from it (Section 31 agents onboard).
This is the problem when you try to retcon decades worth of established universe when you neither know anything nor do you care about it at all.
@@crank1985 Now you see, THAT is something I would watch. In two comments, you and Quinn have basically turned Discovery from piss-poor canon-breaking rubbish into a really interesting, fun concept.
And Jordan B - yeah, exactly. Doctor Who, Star Wars (at least the Kathleen Kennedy-led stuff), Star Trek, all ruined by people who just don't know about the franchises and don't care.
Imagine naming your series STD.
Voyager was known as ST: VOY or just VOY, but never STV
Enterprise was known as ST: ENT or just ENT, but never STE
So Discovery should be known as ST: DIS or just DIS, but not STD
@@mavoc3094 deep space 9 = DS9. The next generation = TNG. It's really up to the fans, and "discovery" is silly, because it shares its name with too many other things, including a TV channel.
@@rockspoon6528 Exactly the pattern goes, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS. If the conversation happens outside of the topic of star trek then ST: can be added before it for context.
@@mavoc3094I have never heard someone say the "star trek" portion before TOS, TNG, or DS9.
@@rockspoon6528 Here are a few examples for you then.
th-cam.com/video/nzJ6hKdiFJ0/w-d-xo.html
arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/02/if-you-grew-up-watching-st-tng-then-youll-love-this-new-podcast/
www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/gf0ua/best_episode_of_stds9_vote/
Just more proof that STD takes place in a parallel universe, not the "prime" timeline. No way in hell would the Federation "forget" that kind of technology. I REALLY hope that rumor about NBC buying the rights to Star Trek from CBS is true.
Correct,this STD are more parallel timeline.
“Prime” Timeline isn’t what you think it is. TOS / TNG / DS9 / VOY / ENT are not Prime.
You're confused, atari. Prime means FIRST. What series came first? TOS came first. It started the Geneverse. TNG, DS9, and VOY are all part of the Geneverse/Prime Universe. ENT made a temporal mess of things, but at least it still had the Spirit of Star Trek. I guess Agent Daniels fixed the messes after the show's cancellation. But I digress.
That said, STD has NEVER had the spirit of StarTrek. Gene's vision of a brighter utopian future went right out the window. At least Star Trek's Spirit lives on. It found a new home with The Orville.
Star Trek's "Prime" timeline, as a concept, was invented for the 2009 reboot movie. It only exists as a means to compartmentalize the different series' for CBS/Paramount's rights issues.
When folks say STD and Picard are in the "Prime" timeline, that doesn't mean they're in the classic TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT timeline. They're in the Red Matter Spock "Prime" timeline, which is in the EdgyCool reboot universe.
So why didn't _Voyager_ reverse engineer a cloaking device and just stay invisible all the time to avoid trouble with the Kazon, the Borg, etc? I guess TOS/DS9/ENT aren't prime timeline, either?
That was fantastically well put together. Well done.
Upon seeing 0:29. Meh 😕, the Delta quadrant isn’t so bad.
Love Voyager, love the cast more than any other trek. There's literally no one to dislike. From the Captain to every member of the senior staff it truly is an amazing lineup. In every other trek there is at least one if not more than one main character I just don't enjoy at all. Furthermore I just like the premise of voyager better. No Federation to call for backup, no typical overplayed storylines about untrusting Vulcans and overly aggressive Klingons.. It was new, fresh. Lost in space in a sense. With hostile species attacking them every few episodes or more. And it just got better over the seasons. Isn't that something to miss right? Shows these days seem to get progressively worse until they get cancelled. By the last couple seasons of voyager we were getting movie quality specials pretty often. It truly is a shame we get Picard all these years later but not Voyager
didn't dislike him, but Chakotay was way to bland for my taste, especially for such a central character. comparing him to Riker he might as well be a pole, but at least they don't have to deal with Diana Troy...ugh
Neelix was pretty insufferable for the first couple years
Neelix and Kes
@@Funknwanker Nah I love both of them
There are little fat worms at a subatomic level that help you travel across space.
Tardigrades*
Zorro9129 *fat disgusting worms
Also, add all the possible jokes about peyote and shrooms to the script, because nothing sells futuristic utopia better than drug addiction.
*below subatomic lvl
So unless you feed these fat little worms, the ship won't make it all the way thru the wormhole?
very good fan edit. those who haven't watched the whole series would be confused
How many fricking shuttles did voyager had....
As many as their torpedoes.
@@freezetasticvoyage19 theres coffee in that nebula
Yes.
they hid them around the turbolift roller-coasters in the ship's chasm
@@NitpickingNerd oh ! i Forgot about that
To quote Senator Vreenak, "It is faaaaaake!"
Always loved the intro music 🎶 of Voyager.
Janeway looks good in the Discovery-era uniform
The new uniforms are the only acceptable thing on that show.
@@TheZapan99 i agree the disco uniforms felt like an nice evolution from the enterise ones, but not sure how they moves to the TOS ones.
No one looks good in that uniform
Zzzzzzzz!
Now Now control yourself
0:03 That was Admiral Hays. The same Starfleet higher-up who briefed Picard about the Borg in "First Contact." By the next movie, Janeway took Hays' place! 😂😂😂
I swear Reg Barclay was in the wrong century lol. I think he'd really groove with Stamets and Tilly on Discovery 😂
Didnt Q offer to just wisk janeway back home but she refused becuz she didnt want to be indebited to Q? or something like that!
That was retarded tbh
Yes, but that explained the crazy Q Continuim. I wouldn't stay there either.
I wouldn’t want to be indebted to crazy gods either lol, Q are assholes.
I thought it was the episode where Janeway had to decide, in an episode where another Q was released from a comet prison and wanted to die, whether he was to go free as a human, or be put back into the prison comet.
@@samuelmatheson9655 No it wasn’t.
Lol. Defaults the whole 6 years of Voyager. The ship could have gone home in the 4th episode.
They needed to send a message home before they could have discovery sent to them
Could've gone home in the 1st, actually. Following after Picard, Janeway made a huge stupid mistake in the first episode.
@@madmanmapper That's very true. In some cases she made it worst.
Voyager's drive drove on episodes - if it had been decided to domore series then voyager would still be in the delta quadrant Lol
I just watched that episode lastnight, it wasn't the spore drive, it was bellana, Paris and Kim working on warp 10.... which they succeeded... with some issues afterwards
Despite being cobbled together from half a dozen episodes with entirely different plots, this made way more sense than any single episode of STD or STP.
I've played video games in languages I can't read that made more sense to me than an episode of STD or STP.
Wow! That’s pretty cool. If only they had this “spore drive” thing in the Star Trek universe/franchise! It could have cut years off of Voyager’s trip home.
No more episodes no more series - you got to admit it, Janeways ship's core drive ran on episodes thats why they took a long time to get home Lol
"Our speed is....impossible"
That's right after "Amazing" and "Fantastic"
Tuvok : Something must have happened to the crew
CBS Corporation late 2020 : We fired everyone (including Kurtzman) because we got tired of losing viewers and money.
What? is this just a dig or did they actually fire everyone?
@@tomitiustritus6672 If only they had but no so if you like this scifi show incorrectly named Star Trek sadly it's still running at least one more stinking year.
@@bigoz169 hmm. I mean i am totally not stoked about what they are doing with Star Trek now, but i personally probably wouldn't wish it cancelled. I vividly remember how ST Enterprise got snubbed by fans until it got cancelled. Now, most people consider Enterprise the last of the "good old Trek". If they cancel the current ones, the franchise is likely going to be considered revenue poison again, like after Enterprise. And after the second ouchi, the studios will steer clear of Star Trek for a loooong time. As long as they do shit with it, it can improve.
Discovery and Picard have quite big problems in terms of writing and a bit in terms of identity. But i see a lot of improvements in STD (hehe, still love that abbreviation) in the second season. The "Mirror Universe" thing at the end of S1 did also help. There are a few relatively good episodes in S2. Blatant redconning and jarring inconsistencies were always part of Star Trek anyways. And i have to be honest, with the D9 back and the Klingons growing some pubes on their heads, I think their visual rework isn't that bad. Now only Burnham and the spore drive need to blow up in a season finale and all is well again.
Still not stoked and i still haven't watched all STD and probably won't, but i think i'll take this round a little easy. I think we should remember that the Enterprise disaster was the ultimate reason for why the studios made newTrek how it is and didn't make one for so long. And that Enterprise disaster was caused by the fanbase loosing their minds that this isn't Star Trek anymore. I guarantee there are still 70 year old dudes that are mad about TNGs Klingon rework.
@@tomitiustritus6672 hey I wouldn't want people losing their jobs but the best way to fix this is for it to not be considered a Star Trek show and go on from there this show is too silly and I loved Enterprise compared to this and considering I grew up in the 70s with the original series oh you know how I feel about this then being considered Star Trek especially when I heard that Spock had dyslexia at that point I felt the show should be canceled but they can just say hey this was a joke sorry and just rename it something else. And that's for blaming Enterprise for ending up with this travesty it's a cop out because the formula still works look at the Orville. It's like Disney Paramount well just about everybody nowadays only care about their little activisms and literally have no ideas anymore making them creatively bankrupt and it's sad.
@@bigoz169 I'm not blaming Enterprise. I blame the failure of Enterprise to be the reason Star Trek was considered to be quota poison by the studios for quite some time. Not that it is, but that the Studios weren't or aren't willing to take that financial risk. To be fair, the quota decline started earlier. Possibly Voyagers relatively lukewarm reception didn't help. Some say the franchise was just oversaturated at that point. But it doesn't change that the studios considered Enterprise a failure. Nemesis also didn't do so well. That's why they avoid it in television.
And that failure was in big parts due to the fan outrage for being 'not Star Trek enough'. A classic shooting your own knee scenario.
What I am weary of is that these new series being cancelled, rather than improving to at least tolerable levels (they do show that they start to listen a bit to fans. Maybe that's something that can be expanded) may lead to the entire franchise being a pariah for the studios again for another 15 years or so.
Nice editing. Rarely do I see these edits run so seamlessly together.
This is the Infinite Improbability Drive!
I wish they would make a movie of Voyager and it's crew
They should have done just that 10 years ago
Correcting: You wish they *had* made
Imagine the mess if Kurtzman touched into Voyager today
@@rewe3536 thanks mr.troll my bad
@@mudpawsvoom6132 I wasn't really correcting you, just pointing it out that anything they touch now will be destroyed
I think I will go to the end of my days and still never be able to forget the theme in Voyager.
Good to see your edits are still coming. Love them all!
I WON'T LET YOU NETHERWORLD ATTORNEYS CONVICT GENE RODDENBERRY OVER SUPPOSED 'REALITY MANIPULATIONS'! HE'S A GOOD MAN!
Proves how propesterous the spore drive was in cannon, more advanced than any technology starfleet has possessed but was just a blaze plot point in Discovery
Sci-Fi written by idiots.
This video is a parody, this is edited together, a fabrication. This is not a Voyager episode.
A blaze is a Minecraft mob dude.
I'm sure you mean blazé.
Also no more preposterous than slipstream or trans-warp conduits. Every new concept in Star Trek is considered "preposterous" by the people who hail to be fans of a series about open-mindedness and discovery, only to be eventually accepted as part of the canon just in time for those same fans to complain about the next new technology in a series about new technology.
Also the spore drive appears to be based on an exaggerated version of quantum tunneling, which is at least feasible (in a sci-fi context). A lot more feasible, I'd say, than some tunnels of destiny running through some subspace dimension (yea, transwarp, I'm looking at you).
I loved watching Star Trek Voyager and I loved the episodes with Q in them, he made it feel so much better
That was next generation
@@moose2719 Q was also in Voyager too but not as much
ST Discovery traveled a 1000 years into the future and the people there still didn't figure out transwarp. One would think they could have reverse engineered an abondened Borg cube or something in those 1000 years.
One WOULD think so. But in good news, the warp nacells can detach. Woop woop. LOL
Thanks to whomever put this together, very explanatory.
haha, keep going Major.
Well that was a short tv series 🤔
Major Grin you are doing some fine work in these videos keep it coming😊
Dude. You are a legit genius the way you put all of these together!
1:18 Saul Goodman joined Starfleet
The spore drive was classified information that wasn’t known about apparently well into the 31st century.
It's for fun.
Oh for sure , just speculating. The video had me at Kes and Tuvok
@@kkdannykk I liked the idea of using kes' abilities to navigate. I thought they might plug Seven in
Given the moral implications why Discovery stopped using the Sprore drive, if Janeway found a way to recreate it and use it, she wouldn't. This should have ended with Voyager destroying Discovery.
Imagine explaining to Garak that billions of Cardassians might not have died in the Dominion War if Starfleet utilized this on a single runabout.
The whole "spin warp" thing that Discovery has just rubs me the wrong way.
It would be a right bitch if it didn't stop spinning in the same spot. There goes your short stroll to the bridge and that guy you liked across the hallway.
This is the issue with prequel or a ST series that takes place in earlier years. I'd love to see a 27th century and a 30th century series.
What about the 32nd century? ... Discovery jumped 900 years into the future, aka the 32nd Century, for season 3 (which is supposed to come out in 2 months).
@@richard3365 Really excited for it!
Captain Hepburn Janeway, is awesome. The last episode from Voyager, she changed the course of history.
I always think of the lives lost in that time line. I heard Janeway say, " cause and effect has no bearing on temporal mechanics."
Awesome you saved me the trouble of watching 7 seasons of this stuff that doesn't go anywhere. Mission accomplished. Thanks!
I'd love another season of real star trek
Anyone remember when Voyager discovered a starship that could leap through space using alien embryos?
Ugh.
Yeah, sucking animals dry and killing them for fuel is not a thing that ever happens. Food is not a thing.
@@douggale5962 imagine feeding your car chicken legs and hotdogs lol.
@@What-he5pr you mean you all don’t do that?
@@snailsth102 whenever there's a deal.
wow where was this in january ? Only now getting recommended ... and its march i watch star trek fan stuff all day.
Ohh, I watched Star Trek: Short Stories "Calypso" the vessel had to hold it's position for 1000 years. For Voyager! Dun Duh Dah! If that happened, they would have not been eaten by a Borg sphere and blow it's way out and not be called the "Janeway Protocol"
"47" trial runs
Oh.. If only this was an actual episode!
Why didn't they show who the Cadet is on The Both with John Lancie? Never even new this movie existed , loved it.
I want to see a video like this where Star Fleet explains to Voyager that they can get home using a “spore drive” - and then everybody on Voyager becomes incapacitated by uncontrollable laughter.
Thank you for putting this together for us die-hard Trekkers. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
For anyone curious, the lore reason this doesn't happen is that as far as Starfleet knows (until the 32nd century) it had a 100% failure rate, destroying both ships with it equipped resulting in the loss of all hands, and as such was considered to risky. The only people who knew otherwise took the secret to their graves. Kinda stuff you have to come up with when doing prequels
The idea they would scrap the project entirely and never do it with smaller scale and lower risks is just silly. Imagine Sacrifice of Angels. "We can literally beat the Dominion and retake DS9 before the first Jem'Hadar ship even breaks formation!"
"Nah."
Mm. Is this something the production actually explained, or did they not bother?
In the 32nd century, they've upgraded the comm-badge to include transporter function.
Why not make it BIGGER and install it on their ships???
It's like a "spore jump" and ships won't rely on warp drive alone for travel and missions
Nice job on this video. Very creative.
Man you just love ripping into STD, love it!!!
alot of his "RIPS" is BS misinformation he cuts videos to make things seem more incorecherant then they are constantly leaving out essential information if it dose not suit his BS quit follow like a sheep dumbass star trek has ALWAYS has continuity errors lots of them STD has not veered off anymore then any of the other fuck wad
U MADBRO ?
@@romulusquirinus4766 Trolls will troll. :D
@@LemonSoulz what a load of bullshit
Trump should ban discovery! it's the Worst coward democratic dumb ass 😆🤣🤣🖕star Trek show!
"it's beutiful"
me wanting to throw up every time I see a waterbear.
Bloody great video. Great editing too.
Also a Rick and Morty Easter egg. Unintentional?
They need to make a new voyager series using the spore drive to go back to the delta