The Unstoppable Ty Cobb
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- In this video I tell Ty Cobb's life story. Ty Cobb is often considered one of the best baseball players ever, but he has been much maligned as a human being. He certainly had a crazy life and was pretty intense, but perhaps the common misconception of him needs to soften.
Error 1: At 2:33 I say that Ty Cobb's mother 'shot and murdered' his father. Based on her acquittal of murder I should say that she 'shot and killed' his father instead.
The story at 8:30 is told here: th-cam.com/video/L7R-opRsH6s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CTyankee
Ty Cobb was born in Royston, Georgia. Get yer facts straight yankee boy!
While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I'm pretty confident that Ty Cobb was born in Narrows and his family moved to Royston while he was an infant. Because he was so young when he moved I understand the confusion.
Great Video 👍👍
Love this. I wrote my senior thesis on Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth. Oh so long ago, lol. But once I got to digging deep for info to compare those two guys; boy I was SO in there. I was diverted to books describing their "behind the scenes" actions. Great video: Mr. Cobb was always my favorite ballplayer.
The craziest Ty Cobb stat is this: he could've gone hitless in his last 2300 at bats and still finished with a .300 average. Insane
Ehhh, here’s another crazy stat. Had Ichiro Suzuki been allowed to play at 20, he would have had 5000 hits.
@@rudymartinez6242Not only that, but If Rickey Henderson would’ve played 2 seasons earlier than his debut, he would have more than double Cobb’s stolen bases.
@@antiguanetwork5726 The world isn't built on ifs. The world is built upon what actually happens; not what might have happened. On that same note, how many times did Henderson steal home? Cobb did it 54 times. How many batting records does Henderson have? Cobb has 90. What was Henderson's lifetime batting average? Cobb's was .367. Whatever the answers, as a player overall, Henderson couldn't carry Cobb's jockey strap. Cobb is simply the best player of all time, bar none, period.
@@timorthelame1 Please. Put Henderson in the DEAD BALL ERA and he has every single one of Cobb’s records. So please, STFU and go wash your hands for dinner.
@@timorthelame1👈😆
☝️😆 Triggered!
Ty Cobb would excel today. Twitter would hate him
He would have excelled in any era, but especially now, since pitchers all throw so hard, hitters will be more succesfull than sluggers, going forward.
They wouldnt have had a chance to hate him. Had he gone up into the stands to beat up an armless fan, MLB would have probably banned him for 5 years.
Ty cobb wouldve chewup mofern baseball pitching like pitching machine
Ty cobb wouldve batting practice with pitching machine i ty cobb played today of modern ñutchers
@@rudymartinez9019 The fan he beat up wasn't armless. He was missing a couple of fingers. This particular fan had been stalking Cobb from city to city over a long period of time. It was not uncommon at that time for fans to throw items at the players, even bottles, without any consequences. Cobb was far from the only one to go into the stands after a fan following such abuse. Cobb was the only one who was highlighted, because he was the first sports superstar and the press loved to jump on anything he did they thought would grad the public's attention. There were many other players whose actions were far worse than Cobbs. They just received no attention. Don't believe this "horrible human being" stuff about Cobb. Most of it is either nonsense or grossly exaggerated.
My great grandfather went to school with Ty Cobb in Royston, Georgia. They were close friends. They played baseball together before he played for the Detroit Tigers. In 1902, my great grandparents got married in a Ford Model A, which was a gift from Ty Cobb. It was given to my great grandfather before it was even available to the public. Only 1,750 were made.
That's awesome! What'd you think of the video?
Ty Cobb was like 15 or 16 years old in 1902.
Amazing. I Love it 👍👍👏👏
@@ThatMeansHesMad Different times .
When did He start playing Pro Ball ?
Ford Model A didn't come out until 1928.
not only did he win the triple crown, he's the only man in baseball history to lead the league in batting, hits, homeruns, stolen bases and rbi
Pretty sure he still leads the league in fans stomped in the bleachers as well
If that’s true then there must’ve been no competition in the league back then
@@ahdexter7688 it was an all white league. Nonetheless, still an impressive feat
@@Checkmate34851 don’t necessarily think it was a race thing. Not as many people played baseball as a profession (or try to). It wasn’t as good of money back then like now. Plus players and sports evolve as the years go on
The Great Ty Cobb 🥎
He drove in nearly 2000 runs, scored more than 2000, and drove in 144 one year with a dead ball and far deeper fences. Amazing.
against all white pitching that really sucked. He only batted .262 in 3 world series. Cobb was a giant of a man at 6 1" and 175lbs. Average height for a white man was 5 6" and 150lbs. It would be like a 200lb boxer against a 150lb boxer, the record would be inflated. See Sonny Liston
@@holdenmcgroin9774 you need to see the documentary labeled fastball. In that documentary, they kill your entire narrative about White pitching sucking. And they also kill your stupid little narrative about the guys throwing way slower back then.
Walter Johnson threw 94 mph on flat ground in a Sunday suit and dress shoes. You get that guy on the one foot tall mound with cleats on, he's throwing 98 mph. What kind of problems would a sidearm thrower hurling 98 mph give today's hitters? 98 on the corners with perfect precision and a nasty curveball? You need to get off that racial high horse and give the old guys some credit
@@paysonfox88 you should stop talking about one guy in Walter Johnson. Cobb only had to face 7 teams and not every one was Walter Johnson. Most of the white players had jobs in the off season like coal mining lumber yard horse smithing and ditch digging. They never worked out and most of them did not care for baseball. If they 23-0, no one cared. If was more like, hey zeke when is this game over? I am dying to find out what aunt Emma fixed today. My best guess would that Johnson was a giant of a man throwing to little boys. It’s the equivalent of a 16 year old playing against 13 year . Most of the guys in the record books were bigger and stronger than their opponents. Similar to the Yankees beating up on the pirates 16-0. Just padding the stats. But guyot no hit by the Astros.
@@holdenmcgroin9774 Cornball
@@holdenmcgroin9774 Most of the greatest pitchers are white, also the law of transitivity proves you are wrong, player a played against player b who played against player c and so on, player a did good against player b who did good against player c so that means player a would do good against player c, like in the NBA Wilt played Kareem and was very good and Kareem played against Hakeem and Hakeem played Shaq, so this means Wilt could play Shaq.
My paternal grandfather was 81 when he passed away in 1962 and there were only 3 players' names he spoke of reverentially: Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb, and Honus Wagner. I always thought that he felt Cobb was the best as he would always talk of Cobb stealing bases or throwing out runners at first on balls hit to right field. I also remember that grandpa heard that Cobb had called Roger Maris a "busher" and grandpa also felt home runs were overrated. I still miss my grandpa and his stories about players he'd seen so long ago.
Cobb payed center field
And then the stories are what we have left of the great ones we knew
Home runs are overrated until your team hits one with 2 men on in the bottom of the 9th trailing 2-0...then they're the best thing since sliced bread!
@@jeromedavid7944 homeruns usually come from a pitching or pitchet mistake
@@jeromedavid7944 Home runs are a garnish. You might like parsley, but you don't eat a whole plate of it. The problems come when players go for the HR/K/BB and very little else, when the most fun part of baseball is what happens on the basepaths.
I love how this video was written. It was written, so that anyone, not just baseball fans can understand, but narrated without sounding like he was talking to children. Very well done.
Thanks! I’m really surprised by all the views this has gotten recently. I didn’t write this with an audience of more than a few in mind, so it’s great to hear that the tone works for everyone.
@@CTyankee You jumped up on the baseball thread algorithm somehow, because this randomly popped up on my home. I watch a lot of Orioles highlights and some random baseball vids. This popped along with Kerry Woods 20 K game.
@@Patriot4TheTree ll
When Cobb was on I've Got a Secret, at the end of his appearance he went over to shake the hands of the 4 stars on the panel. The first guy had his hand out to shake Cobb's hand, but Cobb walked by him to make sure he shook hands with the 2 ladies first before shaking the other 2 guys hands. He showed in that moment what a true gentleman he really was.
A drunk and a wife beater. What a class act.
@@jacknone1564 He very well may have been, or not. With all the myths and truths surrounding Cobb, who really knows. But his act of kindness during his appearance on that TV show, showed a decent respectful man and not this scowling, angry monster he's often portrayed to be.
A “gentleman”? He slapped a black groundskeeper for giving him a compliment.
@@rudymartinez9019 If that really happened, of course it's not being a gentleman. But as I stated before, he was a perfect gentleman during his appearance on that TV show.
@@rudymartinez9019 When, where, and according to who? Cite your source.
He wasn't a demon nor was he a saint. He was just a man who played baseball. I love that statement.
*just a man who played baseball better than anyone ever.
He did kidnap a black kid and made him a good luck charm, he was crazy
He was both! A complicated controversial man in a complicated time In our nations history. But a hell of a ballplayer
@@timorthelame1 Correct!!
@@kramarkml Source?
I'm an avid baseball fan and always admired Cobb's records. I'm glad to hear the, if not totally good, at least not negative things about him. Sad that most of what we know about Cobb is from Stump's accounts, which appear to be false. Thanks for this video and clearing up some of the myth.
I read that as a kid and it turned me into a mean ass player. Luckily for the other 12 year olds, I always seemed to miss when I threw pitches at batters. But I would run over a kid any chance I got on the bases. Luckily I had cleats instead of spikes or I am sure I would have been sharpening them
Why such a fuss about Ty Cobb when Rickey Henderson broke Ty's runs scored record the baseball world clammed up and acted as though Ty's record wasn't all of a sudden that important or spectacular, when in reality it was very important.
Also it seems the genuine issue with Cobb was being competitive to a fault.
Stump was not the only person who wrote about Cobb. Many, many others wrote about him. Its BASEBALL HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. Read other accounts. You guys are like those gullible tRumpistanis or QAnon followers, believing nonsense
Probably the coolest and possibly one of the hardest records to break would be 9 inside the park home runs.....nicely done on this video
Thanks! I thought that inside the park record was honestly one of the most coolest things in this video. He lead the league in home runs without every hitting a ball beyond the fence. Awesomely insane.
white guys were slow as shit when playing defense and had lollipop arms. for some, baseball was a hobby and most had to get second jobs in coal mines lumber yards horse smithing. They did not take it seriously like they do today. you are welcome for that intelligent insight and observation.
Hitting 74 home runs would be harder to do
@@Robsixx In these match boxes they play in today, even triples are hard to come by, let alone inside the park home runs.
@@wvu05 Candlestick park and Three Rivers stadium were no matchbox ball park
If players of the last 50 years played with half the passion as Cobb and Rose, we would have some very good things to talk about.
I'm 66 and have always viewed the man through a harsh lens of myth. But it's never too late and now I see a different man like you said, with respect. Thank you for a thoughtful well done video.
This is an awesome commentary on baseball itself.
Well done, Sir.
Glad you liked it!
I saw the movie about his life and best thing he said was when asked how he would do against today’s pitching and he said he’d hit in 290’s and the reporter who asked the question said that you would only hit 290 and Cobb said well I’m 70 years old.
In 1916, Cobb faced Ruth 13 times. In 11 AB, (two walks), he hit .273, OBP.385, slugging .273. OPS .657 , one SO. That year Ruth led league in ERA .175, shutouts 9, 23 complete games. 0 opponent HR and 170 SO. One of the greatest pitching years ever, bar none.
Said said said.....
Babe "said" that he could hit .600 anytime he wanted to but was paid to hit home runs. I'm not sure about .600 but his 0.343 could easily have gone up 25 points if he was hitting for average instead of swinging for the fences.....
BABE = GOAT
Just think of the assists from right field with that cannon's accuracy....
against all white pitching that really sucked. He only batted .262 in 3 world series. Cobb was a giant of a man at 6 1" and 175lbs. Average height for a white man was 5 6" and 150lbs. It would be like a 200lb boxer against a 150lb boxer, the record would be inflated. See Sonny Liston
Ruth was 6'2" 214. There weren't that many great black pitchers. Paige was the best. Smokey joe Williams. Buck O'Neil lamented the lack of pitching depth in the Negro leagues. Ruth stats against Negro Leagues .455 BA (25 for 55), **Slugging** 1.145 OPS 1600+ 12 HR 18 documented exhibition games
@@kenkaplan3654 no way Ruth was 215lbs, not with that gut. Ali was 6 3" and 215lbs. Historians are really being nice. I gotta a bridge I want to sell you.
Madison Bumgarner shattered Ruth's pitching record against an integrated lineup. Only 16 total teams when Ruth played and he only had to face 7 teams and majority of the teams were not very good. Philadelphia Athletics, Indians, Browns and Senators were terrible. Horrible.
Whenever Ty's story is told they should always mention Al Stump's lies. I too at one time believed those lies. Thank you for setting the record straight on one of the greatest baseball players to ever live. He was no saint but he sure as hell was no devil.
I too just realized that I was in the Stump created world regarding Cobb. His quote needs more attention. As much a competitor at the highest levels, I wonder if he was disappointed in not having the chance to go head to head with the best of his era, regardless of color.
It drives me nuts that whenever someone talks about a shady player in the hall of fame they always mention Cobb...especially since it's based off of lies and Cap Anson was a huge reason black players were excluded.
The documentary hack Ken Burns repeated the lie on PBS. For a historical documentary maker Burns is lazy and gets a great deal wrong. He owes Ty Cobb an apology.
Great to see an honest video about arguably the greatest of all time.
No argument about it. He was the best there's ever been and anyone saying otherwise, doesn't understand the game well enough to make a call about who is the best ever. The GOAT!
He played his first major league game just 40 years after the Civil War ended. Many of the older fans would have been Union veterans, often disabled. Also, most of the players at the time were Northerners. and I am sure many had fathers and uncles who fought in the war. The memories of the conflict were still fresh. As a Georgian, the young Cobb would have taken a lot of hostile treatment from fans and players alike. He certainly proved he would not take crap from anyone.
What crap? He’s the one that gave out crap. And he got his southern butt kicked by Honus Wagner quite a bit, didnt he?
@@rudymartinez6242 He admits he was a mild mannered Southern boy when he came up to the majors, but the hazing from teammates and verbal abuse from other teams and the fans turned him into a nasty, pugnacious man ready to use hos fists. As for Honus Wagner, he played in the National League while Cobb played in the American League, so their paths would never have crossed.
@@dennismiddlebrooks7027 except one World Series 1909
There was no teams South of Cincinnati.
Probably your point being right. Being a child in the 50s going South, there was still hatred. And the truth about that it's never ever been told.
What a great video, thank you for all the work that went into this. And I loved the bibliography at the end, I can't remember the last time I saw one other than my high school term papers. You did justice to the greatest player of all time.
Thanks! This video actually was submitted as a high school project, but I try to include sources in all my videos.
A very well presented video, CTyankee, this is worthy of the documentaries produced by the major media outlets. I really like your straightforward, factual presentation. No shouting, no fake drama, just a good solid overview of the player, along with a sense of the man. Thank you.
A view for the white mans. Fantasy's. ,.avg today. And below in. Negro league. Ty corn cobb my ass
It’s incredible that his total bases (ie the home run barrage mentioned here) record stood for so many years before it was matched and eventually broken. Ty was an amazing player. No one will ever break his career batting average. But that three day home run barrage has always amazed me. He proved that he could do whatever he wanted to do with the bat.
And, this was still in the dead ball era. Amazing.
This is a great video. It honestly made me question what I thought I knew about Cobb! You know, I doubt I could be friends with any super driven elite athlete. They really are a world apart.
I TOTALLY thought that "sharpened spikes" and "hard core racist" stuff was true.
@@stanleyslawski1339 Same
Thanks for a look back in time at a man that loved the game and had a competitive edge on his opponents!
Just the way he held the bat speaks volumes about how unique he was in his approach.
In a time when baseballs had no real active components ,a base hit was all that could be expected.
Much appreciated
1st man to be inducted into hall of fame. Enough said...
which means the competition really sucked and he only played against whites. Hit .262 in 3 world series .
@@holdenmcgroin9774 He would have played against blacks, but they smelled too bad.
Your mami smelled bad but the fellas had a great time with her
@@holdenmcgroin9774 regardless of the players he played amongst, he was from that Era and was considered the same league and playability as them. Thus, it's still well deserved and extremely impressive.
@@strikeforcek9149 the competition was terrible horrible and considered dog vomit. Players would have jobs as coal miners lumber yards horse smithing ditch digging and dog catching in the off season. Players did not care if they lost 23-0. Hey Zeke when is the game over? Maybe Aunt Emma has some good grub. No such thing as working out, the second job was there workout.
For another idea of how great Ty Cobb really was, when he was 12, he was a starter for the city team... against adults.
@David-rq1xj There are basically two ways of looking at it. If you take 1910 Ty Cobb and suddenly transport him to today, he probably doesn't have as much of a case for being an all-time great, because part of his greatness was in his innovation (he was probably the first player to keep detailed notes on opposing pitchers to study their tendencies), but he would definitely be very great, probably an Ichiro type.
If you transport a very young Ty Cobb and give him a chance to train with modern methods, it would be very interesting, although could you imagine any Little Leaguer today being good enough to compete against adults?
@David-rq1xj I think he was a couple months shy of his 42nd birthday. It's a shame he couldn't have lasted one more year, because the Athletics won the World Series the next year.
Indeed, the question is the philosophy that he approached the game with, because he was capable of hitting for power, but he didn't really like to. (The same could also be said for both Ichiro and Wade Boggs.) One thing that almost certainly would have changed was how he held the bat, because he used a split grip and would choke up or drop his left hand depending on how hard he wanted to hit the ball, and I'm not sure if he could have still done that in today's velocity-obsessed world. Phenomenal player. Personally, I rate him as the fourth greatest ever behind only Ruth, Mays, and Aaron.
He really doesn’t get enough credit for how great he was
against all white pitching that really sucked. He only batted .262 in 3 world series. Cobb was a giant of a man at 6 1" and 175lbs. Average height for a white man was 5 6" and 150lbs. It would be like a 200lb boxer against a 150lb boxer, the record would be inflated. See Sonny Liston
The slimy prick gets far too much credit
Huh? People call him the greatest of all time. What are you talking about?
@@holdenmcgroin9774 Baseball was not segregated until Judge Kenesaw Landis was forced to do so by American League owners in 1920! Cobb campaigned for people of Color (Black players in general) to be included into baseball (as did John Mcgraw).
@@jeffreyjean4717 your statement makes no sense since landis was extremely racist . You only state an opinion regarding Cobb and McGraw wanted non white players. Just because they said it doesn’t mean it happened. Lot a hot air from you.
Glad I found your channel this is awesome please keep up the good work and don’t give up you’ll get there!
Very good overview of , Maybe, the best baseball player. Thank you.
Thank you for this take on the best ballplayer in the history of my beloved Tigers.
I grew up with the Al Stump story, believing it to be the case. Like with the movie “JFK”, inaccuracies and plain lies will color the next generation, thanks to the movie “Cobb”.
The fact is that Cobb’s upbringing was very liberal for late 1800’s Georgia. He praised the Negro League players, and was a fan of Willie Mays. This was no klansman. He had extremely high standards for ball players, which hurt him as a Manager. But, they were applied consistently.
I too am a lifetime tigers fan. I often go back and look at Cobb’s stats and am amazed at how great he was. Too bad he died extremely lonely. But even that is probably fictitious. He helped out many of his former teammates but maybe they all died. Either way if I was alive back then I would have wanted to talk with him if he allowed me too. Simply because I love baseball and Tigers baseball in particular. That being said I kinda wish the Tigers would move on from the Avila era!🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸🤙🏻
@@robert.m4676 He provided assistance to many former ballplayers who were down on their luck; Mickey Cochrane was one of them. He had lost his way after being a Commander in the Navy during WWII following his near fatal beaning from Bump Hadley in 1937. He became an alcoholic, and Cobb provided financial help. He was a much better person than what Al Stump claimed him to be.
jfk is the truth unless you're part of the cia
@@blueprint7 I’m interpreting this as my refusal to blindly accept Oliver Stone’s lies as fact makes me part of the Establishment.
@@robertbruce6865 lol yeah. I bet you think Regan was innocent in Iran Contra too
If this little video has piqued your interest in Ty Cobb you really need to read A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leerhausen. It is THE definitive Cobb biography.
Just ordered it... Thanks for the tip!
To have done such a hack job on him, it makes me wonder what Stump's motivation might have been.
@@SKBottom Accuracy was never a Stump priority. He also forged quite a bit of Cobb memorabilia. The dude was a cheat and a con.
@@oldcremona Probably an addict, too.
Debunks the scurrilous accusations of racism that continue to outrageously besmirch this undoubted baseball great. (Hint: His Southern family was known as abolitionist and Cobb wanted blacks to play in the big leagues, as well.) Get this book. Thanks to Old Cremona for the initial recommendation. Indeed, this is Cheers!
3:45 In today’s game, a single ball is only used for about 3-4 pitches before being replaced on average. And there’s a stringent process that each ball must go through over something like a 24 hour period.
That’s just one of the many differences between Cobb’s era and today, which makes it impossible to compare players of such different eras in my opinion.
I read Cobb’s biography (called “Cobb”, I think) and he was a fascinating character.
You should read "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" It is much more accurate than all of the other Cobb biographies and debunks some of the stuff about it and has a solid amount of baseball technicalities.
Well done documentary! So glad there at still those who cherish truth over money!
Baseball is all about numbers. This guy had the best career numbers of any player to EVER play the game.
Except Pete Rose
I love Pete Rose but he was nowhere close to Cobb
Rose career WAR: 79.6
Cobb: 151.5
@@subg8858 WAR 😆
Against an all white era, it’s inflated. He only faced pitchers with one skin tone and not every pitcher was Walter Johnson. Wilt chamberlain scoring 100 points against all white players. Sonny Liston knocking out guys 20 lbs lighter than him. Jim brown running over puny linebackers.
Dude, this video is really a cut above the rest. A lot of similar videos on youtube are amateurish by comparison, including those of much bigger channels.
Your sensitivity to structure and pacing is remarkable, and it’s clear to me that you have a real talent for writing.
Lastly, thank you for not blasting annoying music throughout the whole video like a lot of creators on here.
Best of luck and keep up the good work.
Thanks for you comment, hearing that means a lot. I’m trying to make a lot more videos like this one. Right now the only other similar one on my channel is 13 Innings, but more should be coming soon.
Glad I took 14 minutes out of my day to watch! Very informative, keep it up :)
This was excellent. You really captured his personality.
wonderful. too many people didn't support jackie robinson. ty doing so in the 40's and 50's makes me admire him...but i did already.
Well unless you played for the dodgers it wasn’t anybody’s job to support Jackie Robinson
Well done CTyankee! I am continually amazed at the propensity for dishonesty of journalists and historians.
A most outstanding video. Your research is thorough and concise. It is great to see a video on the old timers in MLB history. Keep up the good work.
Stump was a liar & capitalized, in many ways, on those lies. As a Detroiter n life time Tiger fan.... I bought his book & read his lies, believed them, as many other fans did. I thought they were true. Thxs to all the authors & writer's who rejected Stump's lies. They wrote the true story of the greatest baseball player in history.
I believed everything in Stumps book. So glad the record was cleared.
Check out the book "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" by Charles Leerhsen. Great book that really does a lot to correct all the wrongs from Stump's book.
Just found out Cobb was a Freemason. DISGUSTING AND DISGRACEFUL
Did actor Robert Wuhl ("Batman") play him in the movie "Cobb", with Tommie Lee Jones playing the title role?
@@johnhatchel9681 translation: please argue with me, I have no friends and your responses are the closest thing to human interaction I can get. 👍
If you want attention , accomplish something
Great video and thank you for the history lesson.
Thank you for producing this video. I have long had a fascination with Ty Cobb so it's nice to hear a neutral unbiased narration of his life.
A very watered down version of his mean personality.
One of the sad things about Stump's book is that Tommy Lee Jones gave one of the best performances of his life in the film "Cobb" based on the book. Incredible film, even if it is mostly lies. Academy Award level acting by Tommy Lee, and he wasn't even nominated.
braveheart is more historical than cobb lol
Who says its mostly lies? Cobb sycophants? People who nothing of baseball history?
@@rudymartinez6242 it's pretty well known that Al Stump's work was a good deal of fiction. If you don't know that much already then you yourself one of the people who nothing of baseball history. Project much?
Richard 3rd was also mostly fiction-- still, Lawrence Olivier was riveting !--Yes, "Cobb" was pretty strange..
petition to rename MVP Award to Ty Cobbs Awards
He really did craft the modern game, devoid of meatheads mashing "dingerz" and calling it a career. He would have really thrived, had he played anywhere from 1960-1985.
60-'88 or 89.
Technically he did but he changed his name to Pete Rose lol.
I think that hand eye coordination plays in any era,, even today. 366 over a couple decades is just insane, dude was born to hit
@@jameshughes6049 Rose was a different type of hitter though. He didn't slap at the ball, he hit hard line drives in the gaps. Thay is how he hit like 750 doubles and lots of triples. He wasnt fast enough to leg out singles although he was a very smart baserunner with great instincts . Rose gets shit on for playing too long but he accumulated his first 3000 hits quickly and in an era of low ERAs and batting averages. Rose hit .331 in the ' year of the pitcher' , 1968. His only competition for batting titles in those days were fast Ichiro/ Cobb type hitters. Rose hit the ball hard though. He was a pleasure to watch
He would have stole maybe 50 bases a year, hit .300, gotten punched out by several players, and thats about it. A very good player but nothing out of the ordinary. However, train him for a year, modern weight training, batting, strategy etc., Maybe he becomes a .310 hitter. And he’d still get beat up by other players, especially black and latin players. You cant change Southern DNA.
Thank you for the retraction. There is a difference between 'murder' and 'killing'.
Tyrus Cobb ⚾️ A disciplined and talented baseball player. He was great at his game but loudy off the field.
Excellent video. Please make more. You deserve recognition.
Nah, I love Ty Cobb. His on the field ferocity goes unmatched to this day.
That's because there are rules making you act as a human being. His ferocity bordered on assault, if not actual assault.
@@chadbennett7873 Fuck that. On the field, all bets are off. It's war. The weak fail, and the strong are victorious. And today these candy ass momma's boys can learn a thing or two about toughness from watching a war machine like Ty Cobb wage battle against every opposing soul on the field. Every sport should have a penalty box like hockey, for the goons and enforcers that play for a different kind of glory. Respect and compassion for our fellow man gets put on hold for the length of the game, and immediately resumes after. This should go for all sports too.
My grandpa knew Bart Starr on a personal level. He said Bart was the kindest dearest soul he had ever known. A true gentleman by EVERY stretch of the word. A god fearing man. But on Sunday after church when it was game time, he was the toughest dirtiest son of a bitch on the field. He couldn't wait to rip your heart out of your chest and show it to you.
@@aspiceronni4462 Oh, you're one of those! Okay. It's not a war, it's a game, but to some people, everything is a war.
@@chadbennett7873 I was a boxer at a young age and a hockey player so I guess I am one of those.
The thing about Cobb...whenever he was up to bat, the fans would just go nuts...they knew that Cobb was going to make something happen!
When Cobb died in 1961, I read that his Coca-Cola stock was worth more than 11 million dollars. That's about 107-108 million dollars in 2022. 😳😳😳
@Alien Observer Cobb may have been nasty, but he was one smart cookie.
@Alien Observer Cobb was the best ever. But he was also a titanic A-hole. He will always be remembered for the latter instead of the former - too bad. I would have loved to see him play.
And yet he seemed to be such an angry man, even in retirement...He once mentioned that he was so hell-bent to be good at baseball, to please his father, who had not approved of his career choice...but just as he was accepted into the major leagues, his dad was shot by his momma!...You can imagine that would leave him feeling bitter...for life!
@@curbozerboomer1773 Agreed. Cobb was a tortured soul for sure.
Thank you for showing your sources at the end of your presentation.
Your welcome!
Shoeless Joe Jackson belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
As well as Peter Rose, Don Mattingly, and Steve Garvey.
@@gregb6469And Thurman Munson
Ty Cobb is frequently misunderstood. He wasn’t perfect, but he wasn’t a demon either. Recent books look at his documented history and show his compassionate side as well.
Exactly!
How about his other famous Cobb, corncobb🤓👍😁🤔🧐🤗🌽🌽
Yes, so misunderstood. Such a gentleman he went into the stands and attacked a nearly man clearly disabled.
@@juliewoods6534, He certainly made mistakes (even terrible ones), but who doesn’t? Look at his whole life. He was a real person and not a caricature.
@@UnderhillKoufax Doesn't that sound like the rest of us?
I read about Ty Cobb he was a baller. Coming into second base if the throw beat him he yelled tag him. He would dance around the swipe.
Certainly one of the best bios on TH-cam. Congratulations!
Thank you!
Thank you for this video! Excellent research and narrative as well as use of pictures. The content was so interesting especially having known of Ty Cobb since little league but not really knowing the history. Great job and keep them coming you have a new subscriber.
Cobb's stats are like no other. He was the best pro baseball player to ever play the game.
"no. the best of all time is mike trout who no one can pick out of a lineup" -some analytics asshole
When there was no blacks or Latinos
@@Unborn-Stillborn Well...there have been a whole lot of blacks and latinos playing Major League Baseball for the last 75 years now. And with all those great minority players, none of them have bested Ty Cobb's stats and performance. That is long after Cobb's career ended and his death in 1961.
And mind you..most of Cobb's career was playing "dead ball" instead of what the modern game ball is used nowadays. So with 75 years of blacks and latinos playing live ball, why haven't they destroyed Ty Cobb's playing stats?
@@Unborn-Stillbornhes the goat of all..
@@TavonneLeleaall whites
One thing people don't know is how often he also lead the league in slugging: 8 times, 6 times in a row. He was also the best power hitter of the dead ball era.
against all white pitching that really sucked. He only batted .262 in 3 world series. Cobb was a giant of a man at 6 1" and 175lbs. Average height for a white man was 5 6" and 150lbs. It would be like a 200lb boxer against a 150lb boxer, the record would be inflated. See Sonny Liston
@@holdenmcgroin9774 What All White pitching Sucked 😆Guess every Black pitcher would have been in the Majors Right ? Bullshite! Yea was race Period ! But not many Teams in that era , So don’t be racist !
@@darylhoskins5696 you must be white because opportunity was not there for black players, good enough to die for America in wars but not good enough to play America's pastime. They say Satchell Paige was that good but because of AMERICAN RACISM he was not allowed to play until he was in his 40s. I really think there is 2 AMERICA, one for the whites and one for the non whites.
@@holdenmcgroin9774 Yes Sir , Was an Crime , Think Josh Gibson one of greatest Players ever and I’m White but Would not Blatantly say those White Pitchers not very Good ! I played on an Black State Softball Team , Whom could have 2 White Players ,was an Blast ! So I Don’t think Like That , Just Like the Bias against Black Quarter Backs , Loved Warren Moon and He had to play what 4 Years in Canadian League , But Sir that has been a long time now and Just wish everyone could get Along, Just too much Talk about Racism all the Time and now The War is against Men of My Coulor! Being pushed by Mostly White people of an certain Political Power , and Did You know that the fewest race on this Planet is White People! Wish You Well by the way nice Sudo name!! PS my Son in Law is Black!
This is great. Hats off to you for making this short documentary. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks! I hope to release new videos in January
Great presentation!……..Ty was a man that lived life through guts and determination and that’s just fine . He did it his way .
Fantastic piece. Cobb deserves to be mentioned amongst the game's very best: Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Christy Mathewson, Barry Bonds, Shohei Ohtani, Pete Rose, Lou Gehrig, Mickie Mantle, Walter Johnson, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax and Ricky Henderson would be my top picks.
Cobb is always mentioned among the legends of baseball.
Pretty good list...just get rid of steroid Barry and Ohtani
And the greatest hitter of all time Pete Rose.
@@harveyperleberg6459 Rose sucks
And also...Ichiro Suzuki!!...a small man, who hit for a very high average, hit 15-20 homers every year, stole many bases, and made some great defensive plays in the outfield.
I wonder what Ty Cobb would have achieved if 1. He could hit the "lively ball" used in Majors in 1969? That year a number of players hit around 50 homers! 2. He could hit that lively ball with a "Corked Bat" heavily covered with pine tar. 3. Wear special "frog man's gloves" so that he feels no pain when his bat hits the ball!!!. 4. Play on Astro Turf so when he hits a hard ground ball it will "rocket" past the infielders!!!!! 5. Play in parks with the fences drawn in!!! 6. Watch video tapes over and over of pitchers and players to study their tendencies!!! I strongly suspect his numbers would vastly improve!!!!! Lol!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!
His name still rings 100 years later, there will not be TH-cam videos, books, or debates about you being the greatest in whatever you do. Regardless of what he was, he ls better at something than we are.
The film doesn't mention the fact that Cobb may have helped more retired players financially than any other. He always did so anonymously.
He wasint kicking the catcher in the gut, he was kicking the ball out of his glove. Great move.
If you ever played infield you know every baserunner will always try to
jar the ball loose from your glove. Either sliding into a base, or just plain
elbowing you as they are passing you on a ground ball. Of course they
never say excuse me, or I'm sorry about that. You hang on to that ball and
make the smart play that gets the all important out.
Total bush league......the man was a racist punk
Plus if he was a dirty player, one needs to keep in mind it was the "Dead Ball" era and there's bound to be dirty plays being had. Some base runners would even spike the infielder's foot and some of these kinds of plays even carried for another few decades.
I support everything Cobb was about
Coolest part for me was learning that he actually (sort of like babe ruth style) called out that he could hit home runs, but chooses not too (then proved it several games) put his money where is mouth was, then went back to his hitting style on demand (that's legendary stuff right there); I wonder when he did this home run challenge, in comparison to his rivals behaviors (whatever date/week it historically happened, and try to find out what or who fueled him to do that (likely gaslight from teammates, other star players, or the media). Knowing that there was a murder (or accidental murder, which sounds to me like an abusive household! Meaning it was likely not an accident!); Cobb's teammates hazing him out of jealousy, tells me that he is likely the victim of psychological grooming, and childhood abuse; Cobb likely developed comorbidity of psychological symptoms (bpd, C-ptsd for starters, I would have to learn more about his story.). Great video, keep at it brother! "Ty Cobb wanted to play, but none of us could stand the S.O.B. while he was alive, so we told him to stick it!" (Field of Dreams) lol
Thank You. Excellent & interesting. I always tried playing like Cobb when I was a kid. (I didn't quite succeed) He was like a mythological figure to me.
Interesting. As a casual fan, I shared those ideas about Cobb, probably because of Stump's book.
Stumps book should be in the fiction section of any library.
I have a bunch of letters from ty cobb to my grandfather who also played mlb. They are mostly about forming a players association to help retired players.
Wow, that’s awesome! Who’s your grandfather?
@@CTyankee Larry Gardner
Hope to see more long form video essays from you. Your style is incredible
Thank you! I'm working on more like this and "The Man who May Connect All Assassinated US Presidents". What type of topic would you be interested in seeing?
@@CTyankee anything really. That video sounds like a great watch
@@_Yedd_ Thanks! That video already exists on my channel: th-cam.com/video/WagcEqlzK48/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CTyankee
Read "The Glory of their Times" . A GREAT book about that era in baseball
It really is a great read. Also a CD set was put out years ago with some of the interviews Mr. Ritter did. I.e. Sam Crawford, Rube Marquard, Lefty O'doul, Smoky Joe Wood and many others.
@@fridgeratorsam4042 amen
Thank you Sir, for this fair and factual documentary about Ty Cobb. I think you said it best that, “ You probably would like him, but you had to respect him.”
Not what he said
He said you probably wouldn't like him. He was a mean racist son of a bitch. I don't consider him great. Many other ball players to immulate.
Great video! I appreciate research that sets the record straight.
Thanks! If you liked videos like this, check out the Harvey Haddix video (13 Innings)
It’s easy to be negative about someone who isn’t around to defend themselves. This was well done.
It was not unusual for players to fight fans in the stands, even Ruth went into the stands after a heckler
Some fans need to be smashed and stomped. As a public service.
First in HOF, higher vote count than Ruth, and most of all...Ruth admitted Cobb was the best ever. Nobody is touching his lifetime BA. Maybe 1 guy matches it in a season. Lifetime??? 😆
Number of season over 400? Again Cobb. Last over was Spledid Splinter. Only 1 time for Ted. Cobb is GOAT
against all white pitching that really sucked. He only batted .262 in 3 world series.
@@holdenmcgroin9774 you're really hung up on this Caucasian stuff aren't cha?
@@robertallenhurst8448 and are you not hung up on yours? One thing I have noticed is that white people will always say nice things about other white people . Seen it all my life. That I why I have to say good things about myself because I know whites won’t.
@@holdenmcgroin9774 you live a sheltered life if you think white people always say nice stuff about other white peoples and never say anything nice about black people….I can name tons of famous black people who white people praise and worship and I can name white people other white people loathe…
@@holdenmcgroin9774 it's people like you who keep racism alive with that huge chip on your shoulder. Yet you still blame the white man who are simply just enjoying themselves without a thought of race until you bring it up
What Stump did to Cobb is Criminal Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player in history
Arguably the greatest baseball player ever. Once when asked about hitting for power he told a reporter he could lead the league in HR’s but his average would suffer. He then did just that. Led the league in HR’s. The very next season he went back to hitting for average and getting on base. The man was a bastard, no doubt, but was the best to ever play the game.
I agree with this.i think he was the gretaest player of all time.I read somewhere, that at one time,he held over 90 major league baseball records.A lot of them have probably been broke.But i doubt anyone ever breaks his .367 lifetime batting average.
@@snave59 I doubt anyone ever breaks 73 home runs in a season 🤔
@@Robsixx Barry Bonds deserves Hall of Fame recognition. PERIOD
@@Robsixx The juice
Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player of all time. He was the greatest left-handed pitcher in the league when he was with the Red Sox and had a 3-0 record pitching in the World Series.
Among pitchers who have pitched 1,000 or more innings in their career Ruth is among the top 10 in winning percentage.
For about 40 years he held the record for most consecutive world series innings pitched without giving up an earned run (around 29 innings).
He also has the highest career OPS in baseball history, a measure of both his high batting average and his tremendous power and he has the highest WAR of anyone who ever played. I don't consider juicer Bonds who was a great player but only achieved his greatest stats after taking performance-enhancing drugs.
Hank Aaron needed over 4,000 more ABs to hit 41 more HRS than Ruth.
And if you compare Ruth's stats with the Yankees to Ted Williams's stats with the Red Sox, Williams has more ABs than Ruth but Ruth hit more HRs, had more RBIs and a higher BA and OPS than Williams.
Even Ted Williams in his famous list of the 100 greatest listed Ruth at no. 1
THANK GOD you mentioned Al Stump's fantasies. Far too often it's overlooked and Ty takes the usual unfair beating.
*"YOU PROBABLY WOULDNT LIKE TY COBB".*
Actually I believe I would seeing as my great Uncle Bill played against him for over a decade with the Cardinals, and from what my Grandpop and Uncles told me, he really liked Ty as a man and thought he was by far the GOAT in terms of all around baseball talent.
The mythos from one embittered writer shaping the character of Ty combined with a dysgenic Internationalist NeoLiberal modern media gaslighting is the real sin. He was hardnosed on the field but a real Southern Gentleman off it. You wanted him as a teammate and a friend, so yes, I would like Ty Cobb.
*"HE WAS DISLIKED BY ALMOST EVEYONE"*
Also a lie, as stated Cobb was beloved by every player. They hated him on the field but afterwards there was not another guy who was more affable off the field
Quite a bit in fact
According to Leerhausens book which I read ,your statement is spot on. " When the legend becomes fact,print the legend". The facts are much better, thanks Charles Leerhausen!
I feel like a lot of people compare the players from the beginning years to now. Thats just not fair. Of course players are better now, on both sides. The training regimen back then was a joke compared to today. The league was still figuring itself out, and there were nowhere near as many teams as there are today. Just imagine what the early years of baseball would be if they changed baseballs more often, or the baseballs were made of better material that allowed it to travel farther.
Baseball players today are in much better physical condition then those from the early 1900’s. Mound height, distance from home plate, games in a season, roster depth, minor league systems, technology, everything changes the way they played back then as compared to now.
I understand that it was a limited game back then, but I always felt that made it special, nostalgic. Watching reels in black and white of players long gone, in the beginnings of a great pastime, its majestic. I dont need to look down on somebodys accomplishments, because it wasnt done today. We can appreciate baseball from the beginning to now. Its awesome.
Maybe the tragedy of losing his father as his mom shot him mistakenly was the inspiration for Ty Cobbs amazing career, he loved his mom and he knew his success would make her happy , such a great tragedy probably caused him to be that much more great to ease her pain ,with my mom living in poverty it caused me to form my foundation to end poverty once and for all , its kinda like Gayle sayres giving his mvp to Brian piccolo , it wasn’t as much he felt sorry for his friend as he saw that he Gayle Sayres was mortal and coming off an injury he saw with pic he only had one shot left , kind like the Eminem song , hay some of us only get one shot and in this ruthless world some kids don’t even get that and of all things Justin bieber just recovered from injury and blew out his shoulder this week , requiring Tommy John surgery , ending his season ! So sad and he was so glad to be back before he got hurt , my friend Lea is a physical therapist , I wonder her thoughts on this and if she even has ever watched baseball?
Such a good video!!
What a fantastic video! I'm so glad that you deconstructed the myth perpetuated by that hatchet job of a book. He was not a nice guy, but he was not a racist either. Furthermore, he was one of the first players to use psychological games to gain an advantage. Just an all-round puoneer and great ballplayer.
So he was basically baseball's Laimbeer, with more talent.
Cobb was the best competitor in baseball history.He was too much!
I hear stories ty cobb had to win at everything : ty cobb & pete rose 4000 naseball hits will last forever together
What up CT, I just posted a Show I did on Ty Cobb today. Then your excellent program popped up on my feed. Nice job. My story is the same. I show Ty's autograph my dad has in his autograph book. Take care
That's really cool! I just watched your video and left a comment.
At least ty had his dogs. Better friends than people. ❤
They say records are made to be broken I'd like to see anybody steal home nine times in one season ever again you are the greatest ever ty
Pete Rose was a better hitter
I'd like to see someone hit 74 home runs in a season Barry is way better than Ty Cobb
@@Robsixx barry bonds Is A Turd That Cheated The Game I Love. Your Hat Size Doesn't Get Bigger When You're In Your 30s If You Aren't Doing Steroids, Or Some Other Performance Enhancer. He Had All The Tools Man. An Absolute Hall Of Famer. Then His Jealousy Of McGwire And Sosa Got The Best Of Him. They Were Getting All The Attention, And bonds Hated It. He Would Have Been A First Ballot Hall Of Famer. Now I Hope He Never Gets In.
@@Robsixx and way more juiced...
Ricky Henderson’s career SB record will likely never be broken
I was born and raised in Detroit and its suburbs--rode the Boblo boat every summer, remember the '67 riots, saw Milky the Clown at the Twin Pines dairy, ran home from school to have Lunch with Soupy Sales every week-day, and visited the old Tiger Stadium at Michigan and Trumbull like my father before me. Ty Cobb is revered here, but not as much as Al Kaline, and Cobb was a controversial player. Home plate was originally where right field ended up being in the original Navin Field (Tiger Stadium), but it was moved to the spot we all knew because the sun was in the eyes of the batters and some of the fielders alike. He may not have sharpened his spikes, but he certainly slid into bases with his spikes high. He played very much in the style of Pete Rose. There were rumors that he killed one or two men back in Georgia during the off-season. He had an unorthodox way of gripping the bat with his fists spread apart. He wore no number to retire, although an old man once told me he wore number 3 at the very end of his career (maybe his last year?). He physically fought fellow players and fans in the stands alike, as the stands were very close to the field and the players could hear even the talking of people in the seats. Tiger Stadium is gone now, and all that is left of it is the flagpole that was on the center field warning track about a foot in front of the fence (at 440 feet). The field is still extant on the original spot (without the stadium) although the Police Athletic League has refurbished the field with some stands that are actually very, very nice.
You grew up in a good time, I’ve talked to guys that grew up around there and played pro ball also. I was fascinated with all the history and having people that actually were part of it.
I did not realize he was born in Narrows, Ga. He must have grown up in Royston, Ga. when you enter the town there is a big sign that says home to the immortal Ty Cobb. His parents house still stands, he has a museum in his honor, the hospital that he paid out of pocket to build, and his final resting place. The museum does a great job at trying to clear his name of the bad reputation he received in baseball from being the best in his chosen profession. They also have one of his uniforms, bronze plated cleats that he wore, awards from his accomplishments and gifts from friends. Yes, he had friends.
Cool! I hope to go to that museum one day.
Not many. Maybe gamblers.
Before watching this video I was prepared to dislike it. I thought it would be another video bashing Cobb. I thought it would be another video calling Cobb a racist. I was very surprised. Thanks for this evenhanded video. I subscribed.
And thank you for subscribing!
Same.
same thing with the NBA, yes i know these dudes would get smoked if they played against current players.. but you have to give it to them they are pioneers of the game and in that case legends so thats why they will always be in the "goat talks"
No doubt
Player's today still haven't beat his record's
No necessarily. Cobb was big enough to play competitively today. He also had speed. He was an extremely smart player as well. No reason to think he wouldn't be good now. He also trained: that's why he played well into his 40s.
@Grizz Lee Bear 🧢
I would say that the more average players back then could not play in the NBA now...However, the superstars--Wilt, Dr. J, Pistol Pete, Russell, Baylor, etc...they could play today, and even dominate...I mean, Wilt for example was just an athletic freak of a man--run like the wind, strongest man in the league, averaged 50 points in a season, etc....and also had a 40" + vertical leap. And the other dudes I mentioned were just as gifted!
The famous and adored sports writer, Grantland Rice (Granny) wrote a chapter about Ty in his last book "The Tumult and the Shouting". Granny was a friend of Ty and often played golf with him. Granny described Ty as a likeable gentleman, who ran like a deer and played to win but did not play dirty.
If he, Cobb's father, was sneaking around the home and she "thought he was a thief, it wasn't murder. "Regardless of the murder..." It wasn't MURDER.
Ty Cobb is the greatest meanest SOB in Baseball and he is my super villian of baseball and Nolan Ryan is my super hero.
❤️nolan ryan 100 mph plus ❤️;ty cobb master hitter
One of MLBs Mount Rushmores alongside Ruth, Mays, and Aaron!
In 100 years there will be a video that starts with "you probably wont like Pete Rose, Barry Bonds to name a few, but you should respect them".
One and Only.
All the respect to the "Greatest Baseball Player."
Thanks for uploading this video.
You're welcome!