Cool video brother! I remember drooling over the Reference 405, 604 and 705 amps back in the early 90's. I think they are from 1993/4 time frame. The 1000s was 1995/6 I think. This shows the quality of the old amps as these are 25 years old (plus) and still work!
My grandpa gaved me his bad ass system. 90s Phoenix gold. There still in the 95 Silverado 1500. With 4-10s strokers. The bass is insane and still sounds amazing
Man, that is truly beautiful. I have been in car audio since the late 80's, and these are from the absolute golden age of the industry. Thank you for sharing!
Nice!!! In the late 90s I bought a Soundstream 700sx and had a custom box built for three JL Audio 8 W6 subwoofers, for the back of my 87 Camaro. It slammed so hard, thanks for the great memories!
Yeah Old School! Soundstream, Phoenix Gold, Zapco, Linear Power, Precision Power, Orion HCCA's were all top of the line gear then. I still have an old Zapco that I need to clean up and sell.
Very nice find. I believe I have bought from you before on ebay a couple of times over the years? Car parts. Take care, and I'm glad I found this channel. I used to vibrate the ground back in the day. LOL. Two kicker comp 12's and a Phoenix Gold amp. I had two separate Kenwood amps running my mids and highs back then. My box was rear facing in the hatch of a '96 Ford Probe GT. The amp board was between the rear of the box and the back seats. I think the box, install, two subs, and amp was like $1100, but this was 23 years ago. Like your find, I sold it for $300 a few years later. The kid bumped all around his high school before class one morning, and by the time he got out of class the Phoenix and Subs and box were stolen. No alarm system in his car either. Not that that would of stopped them.
Yeah. Probably not. lol. I know the lady that has it put in her eclipse in the 90s. She bought everything brand new. And paid for the fabrication. $4500 after everything
Both those amps are a great find .. those subs if not blow are solid gold. I still run my 12" series 2 Olympian and at 250watts still thumps like a 600watt.
When I was young, during the late 80's early 90's, Autotek by zed audio was sold in a local store. So that was what I had. Now I collect old school Autotek amps, and crossovers. Still have an mx1300, mean machine 333, model 88, a 7006eq, fx-5a crossover. Several sx amplifiers, and too much to list :). Good job nabbing that stuff.
I live in the high desert up the road from where that factory use to be. Autotek/Lanzar/HiFonics. Man those were the days. I had the Lanzar 500 & 240 and then found a Zeus and Isis. I miss those days.
I Look For Rockford Fosgate Punch DSM Amps And The Punch 45,75 And Any Of Those Series And I Have Some That I Bought New In The DSM Series In Same As New Condition With The Security Seals Still On Them
You lucky bastard !!!!! Seller : “yeah I’ll take $300 for this junk” Buyer : “SHIT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY !!!” Well done mate, well done ! Please don’t sell them, promise the world of fellow audiophiles like me that you’ll install them and crank the shit out of them !!! F A N T A S T I C !!!
I blew the output ICs of my ref 500 and ref 405 when I was in HS in 1994. I’m sure I used too small of wire and too much voltage drop. I didn’t know better. They sounded great on 2 8w6s.
yeah old school amps are nostalgic brings you back to high school days and college. I had sound streams, Orion and Precision Power. I just miss being young lol
The nice thing is hifonics is coming back around. Their newer hi end subs and amps are actually pretty decent. They are realizing better quality is where the money is at in car audio
I had a reference 500 back in the early 90's running 2 sound stream SPL 12'S wired to one ohm. The sound quality was amazing. Everybody wanted a soundstream reference amp back then. Man those were the days. There were other good products out there too. JL audio subs were popular. PPI amps were also great. Lanzar, etc, etc...
I remember dream about owning one of these amps. I had to have them. Lol. I even offered $100 more than asking to make sure!! Otherwise they were gone.
"And its turned maybe a quarter of the way up. That thing's got 75% more power." It doesn't work that way. Gain is not a volume knob. Don't clippedy clip the living shit out of your equipment and end up breaking it.
Yes it does lol. If I used a and and turned that amp all the way up to just before clipping it’d blow this subs instantly. Lmao. Gain is a power knob. I know what you are referring to but you are wrong
@@KBMOTORSchannel I understand what you're saying now but gain is not a power knob either way and an amp doesn't "have more power" just because there's more gain knob. Gain is used to match the input voltage to the output voltage. If you have a 1000w amp with very low input voltage you need more gain to get your 1000w. If the input voltage is high you need less gain to get your 1000w. The amp cannot put out more clean power just because the gain knob is lower. Saying it has "75% more power" because you're at a quarter gain is simply wrong. It may well already be clipping at 25% gain. Do whatever the hell you want to your equipment though..
Idk man, but if I’d cranked the gain up to 50% it would blow those subs. So yes you are correct in part of what your saying. But it also determines how much power is going to the subs. So I’m having a hard time trying to follow what your trying to say I did wrong
@@KBMOTORSchannel I am 100% correct in everything I'm saying. I've been installing car audio systems for 22 years. Talking about the gain like a volume knob is where you're getting lost here. 50% gain is meaningless unless you know the input voltage of the RCAs. My SFB-1000 has the gain up 10% and the output wattage is 1400w. That's full clean power for the amp. The gain doesn't go up anymore or there's no more clean power. This is because the gain is matched to the input voltage. Many amps even have the input voltage stamped on the gain knob the same way the frequency is stamped on the LPF knob. You're talking about how cranking the gain up to 50% would burn up the speakers, it may well, but you might already be clipping them with the gain at 25% because you're just willy nilly cranking on the gain. There is a proper way to tune a subwoofer amplifier using test tones rather than just turning it up to some arbitrary 25% or 50% based on nothing. If you're going to make car audio videos please get this straight, it will improve your listening experience and will keep old pricks like me from correcting you lol. knowledge.sonicelectronix.com/what-is-the-gain-setting-on-an-amplifier/
@@Thezuule1 I think what isn't understood is wording. The words like power gain and volume are the same thing to most that don't know the difference in a clean vs dirty signal. My system holds 15.8v 15.2 if i play in the lower 20hzs long term. My gains on mine are 1/8 up , volume on radio clips at 44 so full tilt longterm at 42, amps stay cool and subs do great. Now i can gain a few dbs turning amps up but i can only play a few songs and amps get hot.. So i guess in the end a dirty signal can be looked at as more power lmao.
Pop bottoms off replace capacitors with new quality caps like nichicon again same as whats in them and tgey will play crystal clear another 20 years. When he said holy grail it is a literal statement. Those amps were dependent upon the model number 850 to 1600 dollars in 1994 when they came out. They were designed by the elite legend audiophile engineer Nelson pass who was one of the few to have the knowledge and experience capable of designing class ab amplifiers to produce 500 watts plus back then. Pass also engineered the elite class of adcom pro amplifiers like the gfa5500. 200 watts rms per channel for pa. Unreal powerhouse. Back then 1994 proor and after unless you had an amplifier such as these or Phoenix gold m class such as m44 you would have subwoofers made that could not be pushed. Amplifiers just were not evolved enough yet. Those amps power ratings may sound small in this age but they produced their power exceptionally well. Todays people are hung up on mass power of class d but have no clue how class ab ran circles around class d in terms of sound quality. There are very few class ab amps today that can stand within a mile of sound quality those would still play at today at their age. These amps will out perform any amplifier of today thas a class d in sound quality of the same power rating. Incredible score for sure. I would have not had a problem paying 1500 in a heartbeat for that equipment today.
You should make a video on what brands to look out for, when searching for these subwoofers on Facebook or other apps. Because I have no clue what to look for because I'm young and don't know anything.
Any Phoenix gold from the 90's, and Rockford Fosgate punch amps from the 90's. They were super under rated. A punch 60 was rated at 30x2 but would easily push 2 12's and made more like 250+ watts. Old school MTX thunder amps also pushed way more than they were rated. Look at Big Ds amp dyno williston audio channel. He does alot of the old school amps. Crazy thing about old school audio is 300 watts and two 12's are loud. I remember having a cheap urban audio amp that was 75x4 or 150x2 bridged. I had it on two jbl 12's and it hit real hard. Alot of mainstream stuff now days dont hit the super lows. My friend had the clone of that urban amp, called a targa. Both were hexfet amps. He had his on two Pioneer IMPP 12's from 1996. It hit hard as hell. I have two kicker comp c 12's in a sealed box same size as his with a jbl1001ez. The 501ez dynoed 717watta certified, my 1001 does around 1300 real watts and it still doesnt hit the lows likely friends did in high school despite way more power and the same type enclosure. You have to go with the competition subs and a ported box to get low these days. Back then a good mosfet amp a decent pair or 12 inch subs in a sealed box would still slam the lows. Everything these days goes hard at 35hz and drops off drastically below 35hz. I got the kicker CompR box and had it hooked to my jbl 1001ez and lows were non existent. It punched hard and had hard bass at 30-34hz but fell on its face below that. I was disappointed. Back in 2003 I had two cvr 12's and even in 2007 I had a single cvr 12 in a sealed hatchback box that was about 1cubic foot hooked to an old phoenix gold xs2150 (75x2) and it really slammed the lows but still was accurate. Still cant seem to get the sound I used to get with old school audio. Seems like these class d amps wont go low either. At least not the mainstream ones.
The way you get caps back for those kind being paper start with normal scotch tape then if more pulling power needed try duck tape but start with skinny thin strips cause you don't wanna maybe pull done off,anyways cool deal keep that system clean it's nice seeing old school stuff very nice and still producing the beat
Holy grail? They are blue not even polished aluminum competition. Come on guy those are top of the line soundstream. I ran two competition amps and 4 15s in a Mazda mini truck. Loud af!
I was gifted an ol school punch 500 amp and two 12" power punch Series One's. I had them in the back of my 2004 Dodge Durango RT for about 6 years. Never had any problems with any of it and it sounded amazing. I built a sealed box at 1 cubic foot for each sub. I gave them to nephew and they're still sitting in my sister's attic
Thats once in a lifetime you'll ever see shit like that anymore, and oldschool soundstream ,Hi Fonics etc. is getting rare to find as time goes on.,those woofers especially, i had one 18 inch Zeus sub back years ago i wished I still had it
A good trick to clean the bottom of the fins of the Soundstream amps is to spray some Windex or Fantastik into the bottom of the fins and drag a paper towel through the fins with an old gift card or credit card. Repeat until the powder coating is clean.
Lucky dog,I've got 2 of the hifonics brutus 12s under my back seat in my Sierra cab n half. The older ones with white cone and can light up,but them amps and the best part.
These were right before soundstream went down. My buddy had the reference 1100 on 2 of the reference 12s that just said soundstream on front with the blue baskets and large motors and it was the hardest hitting 212s with 1 amp system I've ever heard.
I believe the 405 is stable to 1/4ohm. I used to wire mine into the dirt. Bought it in 1994 for $650.00 because I took the one off the wall. Man I miss that 5 channel, its ability to run high power or high current
Very nice my dude. I have a planet audio p2502 that is 1 ohm stable that I use on my mids n highs at 4 ohm per channel haha i also have those same subs in my home theater
Those soundstream amps are great but IIRC some models in that era had a lot of reliability issues. Mostly Rubicon. I had soundstream exact components and 10" subs, two drivers failed repaired under warranty. Wanted a da vinci bad until my local dealer told me the several he had sold had failed and repaired at least once each.
The reliability issues were with the Reference S series. The issue was with the High Power/High Current auto switching. The original Reference series has a switch on the bottom of the amp but the marketing department demanded an auto switch feature on the S series Reference amps. The issues were addressed for the Reference Sx series. Of course due to the damaged reputation of Soundstream, any faulty amps were associated with the original S series problems which of course WERE addressed. Rubicon amps were and still are rock solid amps. The failure rate of the Rubicon’s was no greater than any reliable amplifier line of the time. I have a closet full of MINT boxed Rubicon’s that still operate 100%.
The rubicons are nowhere near the same class as the mc class. They shared the same chassis and heatsink but there is no comparison on performance or quality between the two models. Rubicon was almost a retro failure. People bought them expecting the same sound and capabilities quality and nope. Also rubicon was not engineered by nelson pass like the mc models were.
@@Michael-lu6oz thats kinda the way I recall it. There may be some truth to the other users claims I just remember in the rec.audio.car usenet forums a lot of complaints around the time Rubicon was released. I had thought of replacing an a/d/s p840 with a reference 5 channel at the time. Kept the a/d/s and competed in IASCA with it though it repeatedly saw the fuseholder melt itself loose from the board. Still worked for 10 more years and the flexibility of that amp is unmatched even today. I had it set up so all controls were reachable from the drivers seat. It ran my front set up (soundstream 6.5s, image dynamics HLCDs, soundstream tweeters) and I had 3 more amps for 3 subs.
To fix your dustcaps, if you can't straighten them out with Duct Tape; try using a small gauge sewing needle. Poke a small hole in the middle of the dent, then carefully work your way around to reinflate the cap. Finish it by using Silicone to seal the hole to make sure it's air tight. 👍
For that car, the box was perfect. To much airspace in your Cherokee. The last system I built was for two 12" kickers that was built behind the seat of my Wrangler rock crawler with 2 punch amps from the late 90's when amps weren't all class D, so current trash. I used the seat to prevent the collision from the front wave and rear wave from the speaker as well as figured the volume of the Jeep itself to counter the box. It was a rolling port. Box and vehicle is way more important than most people give it credit. It was the most time consuming box I've ever built because it had to handle crawling around on 40's with an 8" lift. Two weeks after I finished that system, I was hit by an illegal and the box stayed in place after 4 tire to tire rolls. 17k in lift, axles, transfer case, lockers, ring and pinions all gone because ALLSTATE will only pay half the value of the vehicle. Offered me 7k in place of my 14k and I was never able to recover my gear! Lost it all to those greedy bastards! One 400 to 500 watt amp(forgot my original models number, but I matched it with a nice one from eBay if you want to know the specific model) was was pushing a constant 853 and the other was going at 832, both bridged. I went through to sets of 12's because I asked the shop owner, you think these drivers will take these amps. He assured me, if they don't... Return them. He was a good guy and swapped my 12's everytime. Those amps were notoriously strong, too strong because they would eat a driver that wasn't beyond twice the power RMS. The punch line that looked like a */M\* with the end caps was the one right before your square block punch. Those were still good, but quality control got to them following the square blocks and then they overrated the output. Those were the days back then and everyone was bumpin' something! Great video down memory lane bro!
Sounds awesome! Insurance companies suck. Sorry to hear. I’m waiting on coils on the mail for my hx2 15s. I’ll film rebuilding them. You’ll have to check it out!!! Thanks!
If I were hell-bent on raising those dust caps back up... You can use a syringe for injecting great into CV joint rubber boots. You'll have to use an air wand to do it at low pressures of course. Do them all in the same spot and as the air blows back out, you'll get the flap to epoxy the puncture back shut. Hell, you could probably just use a big syringe from a livestock feed and supply store and do it by hand. You can always use the syringe from the supply store with a valve stem stuck in the end and glued on place so that you can manually pump it back out! That approach would leave hardly any marks at all from your recovery. Just epoxy the smaller flap shut afterwards and you're good to go! It may still show a folded mark from where they were pushed down. Good luck!
Man were did you find that soundstream amp ,nice man .i traded a soundstream amp like that about 18yrs ago with a set of 15s and a Kenwood cd player for a 312k 1977 pontiac grand prix 350 2barrel with no rust .
Igot some old school Soundstream amps highs,mids and low amps if interested in seeing them I will post video of them.. oh 😂 I got all 3 amps plus crossover for $15 or $10 it came in a bundle of $25 highest end wires and some level adjusting crossover thing I don't know about basically it has tweeters with crossovers built into the speaker wires, mids amp with crossovers built in to the wires aswell 2 channel mids were I am guessing the level adjusting block thing hook up for 4 more mids and a final bass amp with bridged wires for two subs I am guessing I have not turned them on cuz I want to hook up a hcca 12inch with my old school Orion 2400D chrome amp but no extra money for mids and highs if a lot of people are interested I will hook up my Soundstream amps first then the bass and do videos of install don't know what to hook up first so motivation from people might make me do both next week I am starting on the 3 Soundstream amps
Great video brother, one man's trash is another man's treasure... Alot of hidden gems... I have a pair of jl audio 12s and they need recone and new surrounds but I don't have the slightest clue on where to take them to get them fixed.
No clue why you have ANY dislikes, your channel is like food to my eyes. I've literally copied you in buying subs and amps from marketplace and they sale no matter what. Please make more vids showing money-making projects or projects period, it's fun being young and inspired to make money while most of my generation is stuck inside on their phones.
Trenton Pasley That’s awesome man. You’ll do just fine with that mentality, my son is 15 he bought some small car audio and sold two things and made $80 in one day. Lol. That’s huge to a kid! Keep grinding man. Good work
Awesome find! I had two 12 zeus subs 23 years ago,didn’t take much but were soo loud. I found a pair of mint 10’s on ebay i bought all the way in Greece a year ago,then just bought two more i found on facebook on thanksgiving. 😎 do you still have yours?
Hello Michael again.i understand you can't sell cars right now. But What is your opinion about buying cars from the auction?? Rather then from an individual seller
If the subs are all identical then just switch them so the ones that were converted are now showing the face and the ones with the dented dust caps are Now inverted
Use cheap masking tape to pull the dust covers out. Be careful not to stick the tape too much so you don't pull any of the wording/logo off. Do about 1sq inch at a time.
Nice find! I'd love to have found those amps...I'd give a couple of super careful quick shots from a blow gun from pole vent to pop the dust cap back may pop cap off tho, or if you can easily pop the screen out of pole then you would be able to carefully push them out... I hate seeing deals on FBMP when it's bill paying time, I just see a nice big ported box clad with brushed s/s in engine turned pattern except the center slot ported baffle is painted wood looks actually pretty sweet also painted steel angle on all corners with 2 old American Bass DX10s for $100! I have no idea how old the subs are I can't find that version online all the DX10s on Google images are different. They have mega roll surrounds with a big yellow DX logo on dust cap and a highly textured cone almost dimpled looking. I hope there not available or blown! Lol I don't need it I need the money! but....
Holy cow! You could make $150 off that easy! My way of thinking I’d offer $80 go pick it up clean it post it for sale make money pay bills and have play money! Lol. I try to reach that on my channel as much as possible. Everyone loves a little extra money!! So I try to buy things and fix them just to show people that they can easily do what I do. TH-cam is an amazing platform.
@@KBMOTORSchannelhe replied he still had it but just a little while ago and it's 90 miles away n getting later in the day so not today. only problem is when it comes to electronics I'm a Horder! Lol, I see a use for every piece of equipment I have even if it's not now, and at the moment i have 2 single 15 and a single 12 subwoofer boxes for coffee tables! Man that sounds awful... makes me feel like a total hilllbilly... If It helps I do eat dinner on the back of amplifiers, eat cereal out of speakers and dry my clothes on speaker wire!
@@KBMOTORSchannel a guy at work said what do you do with all that stereo equipment? so I sent him a picture of my living room an said see it all gets used!
Take a vacuum to those dust caps if that dnt work use a vacuum and a safety pin with a bent angle on the end fix them puppies right up will look 100 times better awesome setup hell of a deal u got 🤘
I just got one of those amps a couple months ago for free like new condition. Did i do good? 😁 Good thing you didn't hook it up with all that inside the box!!!
Haha. 10yr old mous prefixes flying out the ports. Lol. Bro you scored huge!! I sold the 405 for $410 after shipping and the subs for $180 and I still have the 1000s. I love that thing. I thought about doing a giveaway at 10k subs with it. If I ever get there lmao
i would keep the soundstream amps get rid of the 4 subs and box probley ne hard to to get those amps ever again for that price love the rocfords to i had the old school punch power 12s and the punch dvc's 12s
Hifonics made weak subs. Their amps were known for being powerhouses, but their speakers couldn't compete against companies like JL Audio, Kicker, and Fosgate. I don't mean this as an insult, but I'm guessing you're not that familiar car audio.
$3500 how or where? I mean msrp on the amps back in mid 90s isn't even half of that? I know those amps are sought after and they are clearly in excellent shape. But where or what is the $3500 price tag from? Did some one tell you that?
Nice to see people still can appreciate old school. You go boy!
Cool video brother! I remember drooling over the Reference 405, 604 and 705 amps back in the early 90's. I think they are from 1993/4 time frame. The 1000s was 1995/6 I think. This shows the quality of the old amps as these are 25 years old (plus) and still work!
I still have the 1000s! It’s crazy the power that puts out. Plus two channels that can run less than 1ohm at the same time!!!! Crazy!!
Hi Derek! You did test this amp in 2016 didnt you? The shiny-chrome one? Is it the same amp ?
@@KBMOTORSchannel do u still have these amps?
I knew I’d see big D wiz in the comments
@@KBMOTORSchannel thats not crazy thats normal for a high currant amp
My grandpa gaved me his bad ass system. 90s Phoenix gold. There still in the 95 Silverado 1500. With 4-10s strokers. The bass is insane and still sounds amazing
That’s a wicked set up
Cerwin-Vega strikers!! Man that brings back some memories I had 2 18” strokers they moved some air in their day!
That's a bad ass grandpa dude
Man, that is truly beautiful. I have been in car audio since the late 80's, and these are from the absolute golden age of the industry. Thank you for sharing!
agreed!
Feel the bass Dj magic mike brought me back to the 90s. Thanks
Cowboiz4life #1 oh man I love it. Lol.
Nice!!! In the late 90s I bought a Soundstream 700sx and had a custom box built for three JL Audio 8 W6 subwoofers, for the back of my 87 Camaro. It slammed so hard, thanks for the great memories!
In my other video I built a W7 12-3 into a 15 and power it with the soundstream. It sounded amazing
Yeah Old School! Soundstream, Phoenix Gold, Zapco, Linear Power, Precision Power, Orion HCCA's were all top of the line gear then. I still have an old Zapco that I need to clean up and sell.
Don’t forget MTX
Try using a vacuum to suck the centers dome of those subs outs. Will make them look a little batter
I use grey tape...then clean residue with alcohol
Very nice find. I believe I have bought from you before on ebay a couple of times over the years? Car parts. Take care, and I'm glad I found this channel. I used to vibrate the ground back in the day. LOL. Two kicker comp 12's and a Phoenix Gold amp. I had two separate Kenwood amps running my mids and highs back then. My box was rear facing in the hatch of a '96 Ford Probe GT. The amp board was between the rear of the box and the back seats. I think the box, install, two subs, and amp was like $1100, but this was 23 years ago. Like your find, I sold it for $300 a few years later. The kid bumped all around his high school before class one morning, and by the time he got out of class the Phoenix and Subs and box were stolen. No alarm system in his car either. Not that that would of stopped them.
What a bummer!!! I had a probe too lol. I loved that car. Old Phoenix Gold stuff is awesome. Their subs were great too.
NOOO WAY WTFF! That’s my system I used to have lol I made the box myself and you were right about the subs
Ion believe it
All cap lol
Yeah. Probably not. lol. I know the lady that has it put in her eclipse in the 90s. She bought everything brand new. And paid for the fabrication. $4500 after everything
What happened, how did you lose your audio
Lol Yeah and that's my phone he Recording on then
Wow, what a find! Those Soundstream amps are amazing and very tough! I've had a few and they're very clean and powerful!
The amp DOES NOT have 75% more power.... gains are NOT volume knobs. They are input sensetivity match dials
Both those amps are a great find .. those subs if not blow are solid gold. I still run my 12" series 2 Olympian and at 250watts still thumps like a 600watt.
That setup was the best and the most expensive back in the day, very good find.
When I was young, during the late 80's early 90's, Autotek by zed audio was sold in a local store. So that was what I had. Now I collect old school Autotek amps, and crossovers. Still have an mx1300, mean machine 333, model 88, a 7006eq, fx-5a crossover. Several sx amplifiers, and too much to list :). Good job nabbing that stuff.
That’s so awesome. Thanks!!
I live in the high desert up the road from where that factory use to be. Autotek/Lanzar/HiFonics. Man those were the days. I had the Lanzar 500 & 240 and then found a Zeus and Isis. I miss those days.
Agreed, Autotek Mean Machine Series Amps Were Awesome
I Look For Rockford Fosgate Punch DSM Amps And The Punch 45,75 And Any Of Those Series And I Have Some That I Bought New In The DSM Series In Same As New Condition With The Security Seals Still On Them
You lucky bastard !!!!!
Seller : “yeah I’ll take $300 for this junk”
Buyer : “SHIT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY !!!”
Well done mate, well done !
Please don’t sell them, promise the world of fellow audiophiles like me that you’ll install them and crank the shit out of them !!!
F A N T A S T I C !!!
That was "real" SoundStream back then.
Atmospheric Pressure yessir!! I still have the 1000s. I love that thing.
I agree Sound stream and Pheonix Gold were hand and glove
Ade Oredin yes! I even got all the Phoenix Gold wiring that went with it. And gold Phoenix gold battery clamps.
I blew the output ICs of my ref 500 and ref 405 when I was in HS in 1994. I’m sure I used too small of wire and too much voltage drop. I didn’t know better. They sounded great on 2 8w6s.
yeah old school amps are nostalgic brings you back to high school days and college. I had sound streams, Orion and Precision Power. I just miss being young lol
meeee too!
That’s a pretty incredible and literal barn find! Especially to find it intact with all the original wiring and everything
The nice thing is hifonics is coming back around. Their newer hi end subs and amps are actually pretty decent. They are realizing better quality is where the money is at in car audio
I'm in love with my power hx2 12s Rockford fosgate old-school power ,I collect old school amps too ,n hearing them ,it's a great feeling
Yes it is. I just bought two hx2 15s a week ago. Can’t wait to see what I do with them.
@@KBMOTORSchannel yeah it's super cool you posting videos of car audio ,n flipping them ,that's hella cool man
Old school sounds so much better with less power too.
I had a reference 500 back in the early 90's running 2 sound stream SPL 12'S wired to one ohm. The sound quality was amazing. Everybody wanted a soundstream reference amp back then. Man those were the days. There were other good products out there too. JL audio subs were popular. PPI amps were also great. Lanzar, etc, etc...
I remember dream about owning one of these amps. I had to have them. Lol. I even offered $100 more than asking to make sure!! Otherwise they were gone.
"And its turned maybe a quarter of the way up. That thing's got 75% more power."
It doesn't work that way. Gain is not a volume knob. Don't clippedy clip the living shit out of your equipment and end up breaking it.
Yes it does lol. If I used a and and turned that amp all the way up to just before clipping it’d blow this subs instantly. Lmao. Gain is a power knob. I know what you are referring to but you are wrong
@@KBMOTORSchannel I understand what you're saying now but gain is not a power knob either way and an amp doesn't "have more power" just because there's more gain knob. Gain is used to match the input voltage to the output voltage. If you have a 1000w amp with very low input voltage you need more gain to get your 1000w. If the input voltage is high you need less gain to get your 1000w. The amp cannot put out more clean power just because the gain knob is lower. Saying it has "75% more power" because you're at a quarter gain is simply wrong. It may well already be clipping at 25% gain. Do whatever the hell you want to your equipment though..
Idk man, but if I’d cranked the gain up to 50% it would blow those subs. So yes you are correct in part of what your saying. But it also determines how much power is going to the subs. So I’m having a hard time trying to follow what your trying to say I did wrong
@@KBMOTORSchannel I am 100% correct in everything I'm saying. I've been installing car audio systems for 22 years. Talking about the gain like a volume knob is where you're getting lost here. 50% gain is meaningless unless you know the input voltage of the RCAs. My SFB-1000 has the gain up 10% and the output wattage is 1400w. That's full clean power for the amp. The gain doesn't go up anymore or there's no more clean power. This is because the gain is matched to the input voltage. Many amps even have the input voltage stamped on the gain knob the same way the frequency is stamped on the LPF knob. You're talking about how cranking the gain up to 50% would burn up the speakers, it may well, but you might already be clipping them with the gain at 25% because you're just willy nilly cranking on the gain. There is a proper way to tune a subwoofer amplifier using test tones rather than just turning it up to some arbitrary 25% or 50% based on nothing. If you're going to make car audio videos please get this straight, it will improve your listening experience and will keep old pricks like me from correcting you lol.
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@@Thezuule1 I think what isn't understood is wording. The words like power gain and volume are the same thing to most that don't know the difference in a clean vs dirty signal. My system holds 15.8v 15.2 if i play in the lower 20hzs long term. My gains on mine are 1/8 up , volume on radio clips at 44 so full tilt longterm at 42, amps stay cool and subs do great. Now i can gain a few dbs turning amps up but i can only play a few songs and amps get hot.. So i guess in the end a dirty signal can be looked at as more power lmao.
Hifonics Zues subwoofers were made by Hollywood sound labs. So we're autotek gold and crunch pro subs. Killer old school stuff.
Buy it for nostalgia that's about all it's worth nowadays yesterday's technology is obsolete
These amps will never touch obsolescence.
Pop bottoms off replace capacitors with new quality caps like nichicon again same as whats in them and tgey will play crystal clear another 20 years. When he said holy grail it is a literal statement. Those amps were dependent upon the model number 850 to 1600 dollars in 1994 when they came out. They were designed by the elite legend audiophile engineer Nelson pass who was one of the few to have the knowledge and experience capable of designing class ab amplifiers to produce 500 watts plus back then. Pass also engineered the elite class of adcom pro amplifiers like the gfa5500. 200 watts rms per channel for pa. Unreal powerhouse. Back then 1994 proor and after unless you had an amplifier such as these or Phoenix gold m class such as m44 you would have subwoofers made that could not be pushed. Amplifiers just were not evolved enough yet. Those amps power ratings may sound small in this age but they produced their power exceptionally well. Todays people are hung up on mass power of class d but have no clue how class ab ran circles around class d in terms of sound quality. There are very few class ab amps today that can stand within a mile of sound quality those would still play at today at their age. These amps will out perform any amplifier of today thas a class d in sound quality of the same power rating. Incredible score for sure. I would have not had a problem paying 1500 in a heartbeat for that equipment today.
Those amps are so badass. I had a few amps and subs from soundstream. I loved them.
Glad you clean and vacuum it out first before bumping..can you imagine all that dead mice dust flying out them ports had you not cleaned it out? 😅
You should make a video on what brands to look out for, when searching for these subwoofers on Facebook or other apps. Because I have no clue what to look for because I'm young and don't know anything.
Super Zombie I might do that! Thanks!!
Any Phoenix gold from the 90's, and Rockford Fosgate punch amps from the 90's. They were super under rated. A punch 60 was rated at 30x2 but would easily push 2 12's and made more like 250+ watts. Old school MTX thunder amps also pushed way more than they were rated. Look at Big Ds amp dyno williston audio channel. He does alot of the old school amps. Crazy thing about old school audio is 300 watts and two 12's are loud. I remember having a cheap urban audio amp that was 75x4 or 150x2 bridged. I had it on two jbl 12's and it hit real hard. Alot of mainstream stuff now days dont hit the super lows. My friend had the clone of that urban amp, called a targa. Both were hexfet amps. He had his on two Pioneer IMPP 12's from 1996. It hit hard as hell. I have two kicker comp c 12's in a sealed box same size as his with a jbl1001ez. The 501ez dynoed 717watta certified, my 1001 does around 1300 real watts and it still doesnt hit the lows likely friends did in high school despite way more power and the same type enclosure. You have to go with the competition subs and a ported box to get low these days. Back then a good mosfet amp a decent pair or 12 inch subs in a sealed box would still slam the lows. Everything these days goes hard at 35hz and drops off drastically below 35hz. I got the kicker CompR box and had it hooked to my jbl 1001ez and lows were non existent. It punched hard and had hard bass at 30-34hz but fell on its face below that. I was disappointed. Back in 2003 I had two cvr 12's and even in 2007 I had a single cvr 12 in a sealed hatchback box that was about 1cubic foot hooked to an old phoenix gold xs2150 (75x2) and it really slammed the lows but still was accurate. Still cant seem to get the sound I used to get with old school audio. Seems like these class d amps wont go low either. At least not the mainstream ones.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix i actually found an urban audio at goodwill for 3$ 😆 havent tried it out yet...
The way you get caps back for those kind being paper start with normal scotch tape then if more pulling power needed try duck tape but start with skinny thin strips cause you don't wanna maybe pull done off,anyways cool deal keep that system clean it's nice seeing old school stuff very nice and still producing the beat
Holy grail? They are blue not even polished aluminum competition. Come on guy those are top of the line soundstream. I ran two competition amps and 4 15s in a Mazda mini truck. Loud af!
Those are some of the most rare amps. To find them for what I did. Yes, that is the holy Grail.
@KBMOTORSchannel I still have 2 of them in my basement. They cost a lot of money back then and we're worth every penny. I'm giving jl audio 2nd place
@@benjaminderousse3297 us amps is by far better
I was gifted an ol school punch 500 amp and two 12" power punch Series One's. I had them in the back of my 2004 Dodge Durango RT for about 6 years. Never had any problems with any of it and it sounded amazing. I built a sealed box at 1 cubic foot for each sub. I gave them to nephew and they're still sitting in my sister's attic
They are worth their weight in gold!!!
@@KBMOTORSchannel The Power Punch Series One's???
Thats once in a lifetime you'll ever see shit like that anymore, and oldschool soundstream ,Hi Fonics etc. is getting rare to find as time goes on.,those woofers especially, i had one 18 inch Zeus sub back years ago i wished I still had it
A good trick to clean the bottom of the fins of the Soundstream amps is to spray some Windex or Fantastik into the bottom of the fins and drag a paper towel through the fins with an old gift card or credit card. Repeat until the powder coating is clean.
I don't know about sound stuff but I can appreciate the flip. have a good day
Chad Davis Thank you sir!!
Lucky dog,I've got 2 of the hifonics brutus 12s under my back seat in my Sierra cab n half.
The older ones with white cone and can light up,but them amps and the best part.
Thanks!
Soundstream Rubicon amps are awesome. I've got one on the shelf I've had for over 15 years.
These were right before soundstream went down.
My buddy had the reference 1100 on 2 of the reference 12s that just said soundstream on front with the blue baskets and large motors and it was the hardest hitting 212s with 1 amp system I've ever heard.
I believe the 405 is stable to 1/4ohm. I used to wire mine into the dirt. Bought it in 1994 for $650.00 because I took the one off the wall. Man I miss that 5 channel, its ability to run high power or high current
Amazing amp
Can you repair a kicker 18” solo baric?
I was in high school in the late 90's. I dig the music. Just started a 84 yota low rider build and ive been bumping DJ magic mike.
Badass!! Love tha yodas. DJ manic Mike still the best
Very nice my dude. I have a planet audio p2502 that is 1 ohm stable that I use on my mids n highs at 4 ohm per channel haha i also have those same subs in my home theater
If it doesnt sell, you can always use it as a mice trap! Nice truck. That should bring in a good amount
Haha. Yup!!! It’s a good one😂😂
what was that bass music he was playing when he was putting the adhesive
Those soundstream amps are great but IIRC some models in that era had a lot of reliability issues. Mostly Rubicon. I had soundstream exact components and 10" subs, two drivers failed repaired under warranty. Wanted a da vinci bad until my local dealer told me the several he had sold had failed and repaired at least once each.
The reliability issues were with the Reference S series. The issue was with the High Power/High Current auto switching. The original Reference series has a switch on the bottom of the amp but the marketing department demanded an auto switch feature on the S series Reference amps. The issues were addressed for the Reference Sx series. Of course due to the damaged reputation of Soundstream, any faulty amps were associated with the original S series problems which of course WERE addressed. Rubicon amps were and still are rock solid amps. The failure rate of the Rubicon’s was no greater than any reliable amplifier line of the time. I have a closet full of MINT boxed Rubicon’s that still operate 100%.
The rubicons are nowhere near the same class as the mc class. They shared the same chassis and heatsink but there is no comparison on performance or quality between the two models. Rubicon was almost a retro failure. People bought them expecting the same sound and capabilities quality and nope. Also rubicon was not engineered by nelson pass like the mc models were.
@@Michael-lu6oz thats kinda the way I recall it. There may be some truth to the other users claims I just remember in the rec.audio.car usenet forums a lot of complaints around the time Rubicon was released. I had thought of replacing an a/d/s p840 with a reference 5 channel at the time. Kept the a/d/s and competed in IASCA with it though it repeatedly saw the fuseholder melt itself loose from the board. Still worked for 10 more years and the flexibility of that amp is unmatched even today. I had it set up so all controls were reachable from the drivers seat. It ran my front set up (soundstream 6.5s, image dynamics HLCDs, soundstream tweeters) and I had 3 more amps for 3 subs.
To fix your dustcaps, if you can't straighten them out with Duct Tape; try using a small gauge sewing needle. Poke a small hole in the middle of the dent, then carefully work your way around to reinflate the cap. Finish it by using Silicone to seal the hole to make sure it's air tight. 👍
Great idea!
For that car, the box was perfect. To much airspace in your Cherokee.
The last system I built was for two 12" kickers that was built behind the seat of my Wrangler rock crawler with 2 punch amps from the late 90's when amps weren't all class D, so current trash. I used the seat to prevent the collision from the front wave and rear wave from the speaker as well as figured the volume of the Jeep itself to counter the box. It was a rolling port. Box and vehicle is way more important than most people give it credit. It was the most time consuming box I've ever built because it had to handle crawling around on 40's with an 8" lift. Two weeks after I finished that system, I was hit by an illegal and the box stayed in place after 4 tire to tire rolls. 17k in lift, axles, transfer case, lockers, ring and pinions all gone because ALLSTATE will only pay half the value of the vehicle. Offered me 7k in place of my 14k and I was never able to recover my gear! Lost it all to those greedy bastards!
One 400 to 500 watt amp(forgot my original models number, but I matched it with a nice one from eBay if you want to know the specific model) was was pushing a constant 853 and the other was going at 832, both bridged. I went through to sets of 12's because I asked the shop owner, you think these drivers will take these amps. He assured me, if they don't... Return them. He was a good guy and swapped my 12's everytime.
Those amps were notoriously strong, too strong because they would eat a driver that wasn't beyond twice the power RMS. The punch line that looked like a */M\* with the end caps was the one right before your square block punch. Those were still good, but quality control got to them following the square blocks and then they overrated the output.
Those were the days back then and everyone was bumpin' something! Great video down memory lane bro!
Sounds awesome! Insurance companies suck. Sorry to hear. I’m waiting on coils on the mail for my hx2 15s. I’ll film rebuilding them. You’ll have to check it out!!! Thanks!
Those amps man are beautiful. I had a reference 405s for many years. I'd love to own both of those amps.
I still have the 1000s. I regret selling the 405. But I’d never use it you know?
If I were hell-bent on raising those dust caps back up... You can use a syringe for injecting great into CV joint rubber boots. You'll have to use an air wand to do it at low pressures of course. Do them all in the same spot and as the air blows back out, you'll get the flap to epoxy the puncture back shut. Hell, you could probably just use a big syringe from a livestock feed and supply store and do it by hand. You can always use the syringe from the supply store with a valve stem stuck in the end and glued on place so that you can manually pump it back out! That approach would leave hardly any marks at all from your recovery. Just epoxy the smaller flap shut afterwards and you're good to go!
It may still show a folded mark from where they were pushed down. Good luck!
I used gorilla tape and a shop vac lol. It worked!
Hey its the end caps on that Fosgate that's worth alot . Everyone can get the amps but the end caps are hard to come by
Man were did you find that soundstream amp ,nice man .i traded a soundstream amp like that about 18yrs ago with a set of 15s and a Kenwood cd player for a 312k 1977 pontiac grand prix 350 2barrel with no rust .
Yeah buddy!! One of my lucky finds.
Igot some old school Soundstream amps highs,mids and low amps if interested in seeing them I will post video of them.. oh 😂 I got all 3 amps plus crossover for $15 or $10 it came in a bundle of $25 highest end wires and some level adjusting crossover thing I don't know about basically it has tweeters with crossovers built into the speaker wires, mids amp with crossovers built in to the wires aswell 2 channel mids were I am guessing the level adjusting block thing hook up for 4 more mids and a final bass amp with bridged wires for two subs I am guessing I have not turned them on cuz I want to hook up a hcca 12inch with my old school Orion 2400D chrome amp but no extra money for mids and highs if a lot of people are interested I will hook up my Soundstream amps first then the bass and do videos of install don't know what to hook up first so motivation from people might make me do both next week I am starting on the 3 Soundstream amps
Use a low power vacuum on those dust caps unless they are stiff dust caps then use a decent vacuum
All American made great find dude 👌
Great video brother, one man's trash is another man's treasure... Alot of hidden gems... I have a pair of jl audio 12s and they need recone and new surrounds but I don't have the slightest clue on where to take them to get them fixed.
PSI car audio
@@davidlarue5713 really appreciate that, im hoping you have more video's like this one because I really enjoy watching your content.🔥
No clue why you have ANY dislikes, your channel is like food to my eyes. I've literally copied you in buying subs and amps from marketplace and they sale no matter what. Please make more vids showing money-making projects or projects period, it's fun being young and inspired to make money while most of my generation is stuck inside on their phones.
Trenton Pasley That’s awesome man. You’ll do just fine with that mentality, my son is 15 he bought some small car audio and sold two things and made $80 in one day. Lol. That’s huge to a kid! Keep grinding man. Good work
To pull the dust caps back out just use a shop vac an gently touch the hose end to the dented in dust caps an it'll pull em back out
You HIT GOLD BUDDY you would of regretted it if you would’ve got them good job
Thanks!
Is it still for sale I’ll take it if you ship it all love the hifonics Zeus subs and those amps
They are sold sorry.
I used old Nakamichis for highs this amp for mids and bass mids and a Fosgate power 650 for 15 Fosgate power subs...killin the game !
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Man! I had that soundstream when I was in high school and had NO idea what I had. I'm running a zapco 750 and 350 now
Love the zapco!!
Nice buy. I'm looking for old school MTX
Awesome find! I had two 12 zeus subs 23 years ago,didn’t take much but were soo loud. I found a pair of mint 10’s on ebay i bought all the way in Greece a year ago,then just bought two more i found on facebook on thanksgiving. 😎 do you still have yours?
What a great score!!!!! I rmbr these items being sooooo expensive back in the day
Thanks!
Hello Michael again.i understand you can't sell cars right now. But What is your opinion about buying cars from the auction?? Rather then from an individual seller
Risky but very profitable
Bro awesome find!
I come up like crazy all the time as well lol
People always say I'm so lucky lol
Kenneth Cooper I always say it’s my horseshoe tattoo on my elbow, I have no idea how I do it.
I had two Soundstream chrome 10.0s on eight JL Audio 15s. That setup pounded.
If the subs are all identical then just switch them so the ones that were converted are now showing the face and the ones with the dented dust caps are Now inverted
I used a vacuum and fixed them! Couldn’t believe it worked
@@KBMOTORSchannel NICE!
Use cheap masking tape to pull the dust covers out. Be careful not to stick the tape too much so you don't pull any of the wording/logo off. Do about 1sq inch at a time.
heat gun the center cap to get glue to release the caps then fix and re glue
Wow! Nice find!!
A very nice find you have there bro awesome CLASSIC/RARE OLD SCHOOL CAR AUDIO MY FAV YOU LUCKY BASTARD YOU :D LOL
Hahaha. I know!! I still have the 1000s I want to give it away at 10k subs. So share!! Help the channel grow! I’ll give it away
@@KBMOTORSchannel Awesome I will share this vid
Had 1 of these. 500 watts man. 2 Kicker 10 Stillwater Design box used to hit. 92 ish
They slammed!!!
Man them amps gold treausures.❤❤❤
verry verry GOOD DEAL bro😉👍👍
Do you still have this ? are you willin to sell it and also what else do you got available ?
Sold them. I don’t have anything old school at the moment.
Nice find! I'd love to have found those amps...I'd give a couple of super careful quick shots from a blow gun from pole vent to pop the dust cap back may pop cap off tho, or if you can easily pop the screen out of pole then you would be able to carefully push them out... I hate seeing deals on FBMP when it's bill paying time, I just see a nice big ported box clad with brushed s/s in engine turned pattern except the center slot ported baffle is painted wood looks actually pretty sweet also painted steel angle on all corners with 2 old American Bass DX10s for $100! I have no idea how old the subs are I can't find that version online all the DX10s on Google images are different. They have mega roll surrounds with a big yellow DX logo on dust cap and a highly textured cone almost dimpled looking. I hope there not available or blown! Lol I don't need it I need the money! but....
Holy cow! You could make $150 off that easy! My way of thinking I’d offer $80 go pick it up clean it post it for sale make money pay bills and have play money! Lol. I try to reach that on my channel as much as possible. Everyone loves a little extra money!! So I try to buy things and fix them just to show people that they can easily do what I do. TH-cam is an amazing platform.
@@KBMOTORSchannelhe replied he still had it but just a little while ago and it's 90 miles away n getting later in the day so not today. only problem is when it comes to electronics I'm a Horder! Lol, I see a use for every piece of equipment I have even if it's not now, and at the moment i have 2 single 15 and a single 12 subwoofer boxes for coffee tables! Man that sounds awful... makes me feel like a total hilllbilly... If It helps I do eat dinner on the back of amplifiers, eat cereal out of speakers and dry my clothes on speaker wire!
@@KBMOTORSchannel a guy at work said what do you do with all that stereo equipment? so I sent him a picture of my living room an said see it all gets used!
Trade the ones that are cone up for the ones that are cone down. I’m sure the center caps are fine in the ones upside down.
I used to have a Soundstream Continuum. Beautiful chrome amp. Wish I still have it.
Oh man the money that’d be worth now!!
You got to know what size box to have per subs you have and what hertz and db they can handle
Take a vacuum to those dust caps if that dnt work use a vacuum and a safety pin with a bent angle on the end fix them puppies right up will look 100 times better awesome setup hell of a deal u got 🤘
The vacuum worked!
@@KBMOTORSchannel kinda figured it would since they have never really been bothered with prolly helped alot glad to hear bro
Blow through the pole vent on the bottom and you can push them back out
I just got one of those amps a couple months ago for free like new condition. Did i do good? 😁
Good thing you didn't hook it up with all that inside the box!!!
Haha. 10yr old mous prefixes flying out the ports. Lol. Bro you scored huge!! I sold the 405 for $410 after shipping and the subs for $180 and I still have the 1000s. I love that thing. I thought about doing a giveaway at 10k subs with it. If I ever get there lmao
Nice.not bad.i havent look mine up yet to see what its worth.its reference 700sx..so probably little less than what you got out of yours
Just take the subs that are upside-down and flip them to the front and mount those other ones upside-down so u don't see the dust caps
If they were dvc you could wire
them to 2ohm.
i would keep the soundstream amps get rid of the 4 subs and box probley ne hard to to get those amps ever again for that price love the rocfords to i had the old school punch power 12s and the punch dvc's 12s
I still have the 1000s! Was thinking about a giveaway at 10k subs.
@@KBMOTORSchannel that would be awsome ya i wish i would of kept the punch dvc's now sence i know how to re do surounds now lol
BRYAN MEIER272XP I buy them up cheap and fix them. You can make good money doin that. I need to learn how to fix amps lol. I’d be friggen rich
@@KBMOTORSchannel i agree gotta be good with a multie meter and soldering to figure that stuff out i subbed to your channel ill be watching
I swear I saw that in one of my car stereo magazines back in the day in the 90s.
Hifonics made weak subs. Their amps were known for being powerhouses, but their speakers couldn't compete against companies like JL Audio, Kicker, and Fosgate.
I don't mean this as an insult, but I'm guessing you're not that familiar car audio.
So basically your assuming the guy doesn't know what he's talking about and you do.. basically
As I said, I didn't mean it as an insult, I was asking a question.
But, thank you for jumping in and saving the day.
$3500 how or where? I mean msrp on the amps back in mid 90s isn't even half of that? I know those amps are sought after and they are clearly in excellent shape. But where or what is the $3500 price tag from? Did some one tell you that?
Look how clean and new the carpet is where the amps where
wow. badass amp back in the day best amps . you very lucky.
You don't need to pull the dust caps out just swap those two with the inverted sub's !
You just put the hose from a vac on them before turning it on. Once on, just pull gently and they’ll pop right back out.
I’m jealous of you your lucky man 👏👏👏👏
Wow . What a score . I don't know that I would run them low ohm without recap
How much you want for the soundscreen
Amazing score 👌🙃👍
Ive got 2 Reference 1000's in the trunk of my 08' DTS. One bridged to each Kicker L7 15" at 2ohm.
I can only imagine how loud that is.
Theres a trick to undenting the dust caps since it's so common. Theres videos on it all over yt
I used tape and a shop vac. It worked pretty good
If you decide to sell that 405 I would love to own it I used to have one
those 1000sx's are the coolest amps ever... damn.. i broke a 2door jeep cherokee with two sundown 15's and a 1000sx.... 👍👍
I know that was slamming.
Be VERY careful with older subs.especially ones that are worth anything. The surrounds could be rotten to hell.
Omfg those amps love those.