I've been looking for a comparison for awhile between the two and glad to finally have found one. I've got myself the carbon black 2022 and after seeing the comparison I'm even happier that I made that choice. The fit and finish of the black carbon in my opinion is better and the 2,4 extra liters on tank will indeed make a difference. The bike is thirsty. In terms of the 6 axis IMU its s good addition on the new one, however, will most likely be unecessary in the road as opposed to track. The breaks in my opinions are the most noticble chang even if it's not much of a difference, better breaking system is always nice to have. However, for the road even the breaking system from the original R are more than fine. The quickshifter on the new RS I haven't tested yet but would like to see for myself how it work. All in all, you can't go wrong with either and I think it comes down to personal preference. Personally, I love the black carbon as it was the final version of 2022 as well as the bits of details on the finish like the carbon tip on the exhaust pipe as you mentioned and the aluminium on the radiator guard etc. Make it feel more like a premium bike.
Both awesome machines. Really fancy the new Cosmic one though. Continuous improvements, balance of power and usability, even the triple looks have grown on me. Great video👍
I have the Cosmic Yellow and it’s my 3rd Street Triple and undeniably the best so far. Styling is a personal thing but I like it more than the previous bikes. I like the fact they’ve made the front end similar to the Speed Triple and got rid of the flyscreen as standard which always looked like a badly fitting toupee. I love the new tank design and colour choices. Got sick of the same old black, silver, white choices. But the main performance differences are the raised rear height giving a quicker turn in and the gearing changes which make the bike a lot more fun and pull more in the mid range. Brakes have more feel than the M50 on my last bike as well so that’s another improvement. Overall I can’t fault the bike.
100% agree with you, so far the best street triple ever, but for someone who can't afford the new any previous generation will be a good choice and good fun 👍
No, I didn't notice any speed difference between my 2022 ST and the new model, the only difference which I've noticed is that the new model has a higher resolution display, and obviously the whole dash is different, it's fixed, when the previous generation dash you can adjust up or down.
The reason why the new Street Triple is "more poppy, more quicker, more hooligan", is because of the 1 tooth smaller front sprocket and 2 teeth larger rear sprocket. This is also why the bike gets much worse fuel mileage. TH-camrs are getting around 40 mpg--down about 5 mpg from previous year. In my opinion, this wasn't a good trade off considering that the 890cc MT-09 SP is getting at least 50 mpg and it's a 900. I still love the new Triumph 765 though and it's a relatively easy fix to put different sprockets and a new chain.
Unless you’re doing long motorway hauls in 6th gear this shouldn’t make much difference to mpg. Obviously using higher revs does increase mpg, but changing the final drive is more about making the gearing suitable for its intended use.
I love these comments and the naysayers. Let me tell you, I have a 2024 765, and have it fairly “juiced up”; full spark exhaust, D N A air filter, rapid bike fuel management (FULL DYNO TUNED) an aluminum rear sprocket and a 520 conversion kit. I ride the heck out of this thing. However, in sixth gear, it feels like I’m looking for another gear. I recently installed a 46 tooth rear sprocket, and it is AWESOME!!! I for 132/60 from the dyno, so power wasn’t an issue, hence that punch a 48 t rear sprocket would offer. The 46 t keeps the revs in the sweet spot without the feeling of always hitting the rev limiter.
@@ridepastu1418I've noticed that too in 6th gear when test riding them. The transmission would be perfect if it had a 7th gear but no one makes any such thing for a motorcycle. When you went down to a 46 tooth sprocket, was it noticeably less torque(y)? I don't know if you know this, but (completely stock) the 2024s engine is even a full 500 rpms higher (5500 rpms) at 65 mph in 6th gear than the smaller engine of the Trident 660 -- which is at 5000 rpms at 65 mph in 6th. The 765 RS can get away with it because it has a much higher rpm redline but it's still crazy to think about. It's also much smoother than the Trident; especially at the higher revs.
@@lateralus9244-2 was too much. I lost a lot of the bikes power. Maybe-1 rear sprocket would be a bit more optimal. I top mine out about 142, and that’s literally all she has, with stock (15f/48r) stock gearing. Unsprung and sprung weight reduction is where it’s at; “lighter is better”, power to weight ratio. Titanium hardware, lithium battery and dymag wheels are the sweetspot performance upgrades that really makes this bike shine… Interesting tid-bit of information, the 2023 765 rs has a factory built engine for this new model year; forged pistons and rods, and titanium valve train. 💪
Yes I did noticed, sorry I didn't mentioned it in the video. Also there is different tail light on the new model ST, the shape and size it's exactly to same as the old one, however the new ST light has different LED lights inside the tail lights, so lights up different way.
Will the seat on a 2020 fit properly onto the newest model? I have a Corbin seat being made for my 2020 RS and may get one made for a new bike when I buy it.
Yes, the seat is exactly the same for all the ST RS from 2020 till the new model. Basically the whole rear end is the same except the new model has a small ring spacer over the rear shock, so that's why it's 10mm taller and has slightly different more aggressive geometry.
Yea dealer offered me a 2022 demo was 25% cheaper then the new model, but i still decide to go for new model. just despite its more sporty feeling, and stunning color choice of the new RS. but same thing if money is a concern to the purchase decision, just pick the old molder, still a excellent bike!
Very good review. Makes me really appreciate my 2018 rs even more. My mileage is already not good at 35-40 or so mpg. So, not really interested in even worse numbers. Yes, I’m heavy handed.
That's correct, I have on 2022 RS Evotech radiator guard, frame sliders, and rear axle bobbins, and front axle bobbins are from Triumph, and also Triumph engine covers.
I don't like the plastic tank or the fixed headlamp, rather have it attached to the forks, sticks out too much and bothers me its stationary. The passenger sits on the plastic?
Tank it's metal, but has plastic cover, this bike, same as the other naked bikes in this mid range category wasn't designed to carry pillion, those bikes are one person fun bikes, not turing bikes. The look is very subjective, and personal thing, but in my opinion it looks very sharp and aggressive, good looking bike 👍
It has rear foot pegs, RS model comes with a plastic rear seat cowl plus you will also get rear passenger seat, but I meant that the rear seat is small and not really comfortable to carry passengers for long distance.
Thank You. Should I get a used 2020 with 7000 miles for £15500($19500) or buy brand new 2024 for £20000($25000)? I have the cash to buy new. I am a beginner (used to ride 150cc 2 strokes in my 20s and 500c Royal Enfield) and starting riding classes just to get proficient. Please advise 🙏🏻 Thank You PS: I live in Denmark so Taxes here are rough.
I thought I lived in an expensive country, but £20k for a new ST RS that must be a joke 😱. If money is not an object buy the new model, but if you want to save some money look for the second hand bike. Also if you are looking for a naked bike, I'll strongly suggest you look at the Yamaha MT 09 SP, this bike offers you the same if not more than ST RS for less money. Best of luck with the new purchase .
@@darekz9777 i am total rookie so you have no idea how much I appreciate your advice. Thank you. BTW I was also suggested the Kawasaki Z900. And I am also considering the BMW R 1250 R as my Wife has also expressed interest to join me once I am totally hands on with the new bike. Btw I dont mind going used and can save some decent money. Denmark has 25% VAT on Bikes and charges a further 150% as Regusteration Tax. Its probably the most expensive place to own cars and bikes
Z900 is also a good bike, less futures and less advanced than ST RS, but also costs less money. If you are looking for a motorcycle that you can ride with passengers I wouldn't recommend buying a naked bike. These bikes are solo riding fun sports bikes, they have passenger seats but it's small, uncomfortable and there very unstable with extra load at the back. So if you plan riding with your wife then maybe Yamaha 9GT, or Tiger 900 GT Pro or similar sport turing bikes will be a better choice for you.
@@darekz9777 i like the look of the triumph 1200 speed twin and there is a used (1400km) for sale less than 20% of brand new price. Yes I need to test ride the bikes. But I am looking at the ST765 and Speed Twin as options
There are 2 different style bikes/ different riding experience, any bike test ride will give you more clear and quicker answer to your questions than any Internet suggestions and opinions.
I tested the new one and have the old one. But... How to say this? Upgrade on some aspects, sidegrade on a lot of stuff. For more money, at least in my country. I am probably on the minority here.
The 2017 to 2019 model has a really poor mid range which was sorted on the 2020 model so for early 765 street triples the R is a better bet as it had a great mid range.
I wouldn't say that they completely sorted the lack of the mid range, on 2020 to 2022, they slightly improved it, but this is not enough at least for my taste. That's why in the new model they have shorter gears and changed sprockets to give people the impression that the bike is more playful and has more bottom and mid range. Street triple doesn't need more power, it needs more torque, but this only can be sorted when they put on it bigger cc engine.
@@darekz9777 I bought the 2023 model in March after owning the 2020RS and 2017 R and the shorter gearing has really boosted low and mid range acceleration but I thought Triumph might follow the lead of KTM and Yamaha who both increased the capacity of their middleweight nakeds but I guess they have to keep the 765 capacity if they don't want to lose their Moto 2 contract.
Very interesting to watch the detailed comparison. Seems there is a bit more plastic. A tremendous shame that they did not redesign the dash board layout. The tach is unusable at pace and other numbers too small. It is poorly designed. Someone at Triumph needs a new career..
Interesting comment on the size of the engine. We live in a world focused on climate changes and decarbonisation. Cars are generally getting smaller engines or heading to hybrids and BEVs. If Triumph was being responsible the Speed Triple would reduce back to 1050 CC and the Street Triple stay where it is. But the Moto industry seems to have its head in the clouds....
I'm in the same tessiture.... Old 2022 for 10.800€ or new for 13.250€ (red). I'm just worried about wheelie-control, tech pack, and the gearbox, as i tried the R 2023 and it was blast, it made me smile like a kid like none of the other bikes could ( not the monster, not the mt09 ). Any ideas if there is any difference in terms of handling, engine or gearbox to really consider the new one? The 2023 was butter smooth perfect shifter, up and down, i do not want to get disappointed by 2022 one if is really worse, to just save 2.5k€. Also, one thing i like about the old, is the metal tank, the new one is plastic, and feels kinda cheap, plus 2.5L less capacity. Suggestions?
If you can afford it go for the new one. The difference between the previous model and the new one apart from the look is that the new model got the electronic package IMU which is good to have, engine has lighter internal parts, but bigger compression ratio, gearbox has shorter gears and also front sprocket is smaller and the rear sprocket is bigger which gives you impression that the bike is more torque and playful, even the torque is the same between those 2 models. The new model also has a new type of quickshifter with a pressure sensor inside which is smoother than the previous gen. The handling between those 2 bikes is exactly the same. I didn't feel any difference, maybe because the whole chassis, suspension, and swing arms are the same. From the negative points, the new model has a smaller tank ( I've been told that the tank is metal, but only the outside cover is plastic), due to different sprockets bigger fuel consumption which will give you smaller range, and less top speed. For me the so-called "new model" is only evolution, but it's very hard to make a good bike even better, so when you calculate the cost of the new upgrades they've put on the new model it will be more than 2.5k€. If money is not an object 100% go for the new one. 👍
Can you test the 2022 model, or any ST from 2020? That will quickly answer your question. The fundamental basics of those 2 bikes are exactly the same, but the twicks they've done to the new model makes it more lively and more fun to ride than the previous model. 2.5k€ it's a lot of money to load a 2022 model with all the extras you can only dream about, but at the same time the cost of the whole upgrades that Triumph done with the new 2023 model will be way more than 2.5k€, and you want to be able to replicate them to the previous gen. Like I said the new model didn't feel for me that it's better to handle a motorcycle, but definitely felt more playful, more fun, more torque than the previous 2022 model, and the quickshifter is far more better too. I'll suggest you to find the previous gen and test ride it, that will save you future disappointment if you wouldn't like it.
@@darekz9777 Just ordered the Carbon Black 2022, the 17.5L capacity tank ( no plastic ) feels way nicer and the extra 2.5L i think will come in handy, also i know the new one feels more playful but i'm sure old one is good enough, i will be using it as a daily rider, for commuting, routes...etc. So i guess the 2022 power should suffice. I just hope quickshifter isn't really that much worse as you mention, the 2023 R i tried was really flawless, probably i will get disappointed, but overall i'm happy, and for the 10.8k i have paid, i can always sell it later on the year and buy the newer model, not loosing that much money compared if i bought the 2023 ( i think ). Thanks for the answers!
That was exactly the reason why I bought my 2022 ST RS Carbon Black 😉, and I love it. In my opinion the Carbon black looks much better than the new one ( much premium, less cheap plastics, and bigger tank), and it's also very special because there weren't many of them sold out worldwide ( I have only one sold in Ireland). You won't feel any power different, because the extra power seats very high at the rpm scale ( the old model has top power 500rpm lower than the new one), but the shorter gears and different sprockets makes the new model more playful. Quick shifter works better on the new model because it's a new generation , with old model is not too bad, you have to only remember it will works better with higher rpms. Every person is different, and chooses with different criteria, for me I am still 100% sure that I made the right decision at that point in my life. The bike gave me plenty of satisfaction with every single ride, and then I had enough money left to fully accessories it. Best of luck with the new purchase 👍 And even after a while if you don't like it, you can always sale it or trade it for the new one. I'm definitely stick with my Carbon black 😉. The new 2023 ST RS in Ireland cost 15180€, it's a rip off country 😭
Please help me decide, Brand new price : DKK 175000($25500) Used 2020 model with 10000km : DKK 135000 ($19665) Brand new Moto 2 Demo (white tank) : DKK 205000 ($29860) I have cash to purchase all 3 but not sure which is the best option. I am somewhere between beginner to an intermediate level rider.
@@darekz9777 the Moto 2 Demo is a limited edition Street Triple RS with only 765 units made I 2 colour ways. It is also better in many ways. More power, carbon fibre parts etc. It is sold out in most parts of the world.
The only difference between Moto2 edition and RS is mostly clip ons vs handlebar 😉, the engine, power chassis, suspension, brakes are exactly the same as on RS. Of course the Moto2 edition has a few extra carbon bits on it and a fancy paint job, but still the rest is exactly the same as RS, so you can't just say that some components on the Moto2 edition are better than on RS- they're the same. What makes the Moto2 edition so special is been the limited edition and clip ons, and much nicer paint job. I'm pretty sure the Moto2 edition will hold the value over the years and it will be the collectors bike. I'll suggest you, if you really want to own an ST RS, buy the new 2024 model.
Same as mine 2023, but the vin is 22 model, the Carbon Black RS was only offered for a couple of months from middle of 2022 to the end of the 2022, and then was replaced by 2023 RS models in: Cosmic Yellow, Carnival Red, and Silver Ice colours.
Yes, I think it will be. More or less it is the same bike. The biggest upgrade to the previous generation is the new gearbox and engine internals + new quick shifter. Outside changes are very small ( new tank and front end) gives it only more fresher and sharper look. I don't see why this new gen should be less reliable than any previous one.
@@darekz9777 I was considering the boost in HP and how it might effect the engine but it shouldn’t be a noticeable difference longterm unless you’re trashing it constantly. Planing on getting one sometime in December, looking forward to it since I’m jumping from an R3 onto a 765.
You won't be able to feel extra power on the road because peak power is at the 12k rpm, but because they shorter gears ratio bike feels more torque and lively between 1-3 gears compared to the previous generation.
Watched entire video, read 50 comments, no word of bikes weight. triumph says 2022 bike dry weight 168kg and 2023 bike wet weight is 189kg. Why did not talk about that. Is new model a bit heavier¿
Sorry, sometimes it's very hard to remember about all the details, which you want to talk about in the video. I spoke with a few Triumph technicians and they told me that the weight between the previous gen and the new one remains the same. If there is any difference, there will be + - 1kg or even less. The new model got the IMU and combined front and rear brake system which increased bike weight, but at the same time Triumph decreased the fuel tank on the new model to 15l vs 17.4l on previous model. The engine interior parts on new Street Triple RS are also slightly lighter, also the belly pan is smaller/lighter, the radiator side cover panels are made now from light plastic vs aluminum on previous generation. The front end on the new model is very minimalistic, where the previous model had a much bigger dash cowl and slightly different lights. So all that was done by Triumph to keep the weight as low as possible, and they definitely didn't want to have a new model weight more than the previous generation. Hope that answered your question.
The old one has more quality finish, the new one in some places has cheap looking plastics, but both bikes are great fun. The extra HP are not that important, because you don't really fill them on the road, I wish that ST RS has more Nm in the future because that's what really matter.
Yes, that's the only problem with Triumph bikes, all of them are more expensive than competitors, but at the same time the build quality, and the components are top class.
That´s an interesting point... Here in Brazil I was looking at the middle-range bikes since early 2023, and I found the Street RS ´22 to be the best "bang for your buck", IMO. Ohlins and Showa adjustable shocks, Brembo big brakes, Pirelli Supercorsa tires, TFT screen w/ BT, big gas tank, nice electronic aids, quickshifter up/down and the amazing 123hp 765cc 3cyl engine, not to mention the impressive lightweight body with 188kg curb weight. All this and the bike is a missile with a soundtrack to back the performance :)
That's exactly why I bought a 2022 ST RS, best "bang for your buck" , the next best choice will be MT 09 SP, both great bikes which won't disappoint you, and will give you a lot of satisfaction from riding them.
I've been looking for a comparison for awhile between the two and glad to finally have found one. I've got myself the carbon black 2022 and after seeing the comparison I'm even happier that I made that choice. The fit and finish of the black carbon in my opinion is better and the 2,4 extra liters on tank will indeed make a difference. The bike is thirsty. In terms of the 6 axis IMU its s good addition on the new one, however, will most likely be unecessary in the road as opposed to track. The breaks in my opinions are the most noticble chang even if it's not much of a difference, better breaking system is always nice to have. However, for the road even the breaking system from the original R are more than fine. The quickshifter on the new RS I haven't tested yet but would like to see for myself how it work. All in all, you can't go wrong with either and I think it comes down to personal preference. Personally, I love the black carbon as it was the final version of 2022 as well as the bits of details on the finish like the carbon tip on the exhaust pipe as you mentioned and the aluminium on the radiator guard etc. Make it feel more like a premium bike.
Both awesome machines. Really fancy the new Cosmic one though. Continuous improvements, balance of power and usability, even the triple looks have grown on me. Great video👍
I have the Cosmic Yellow and it’s my 3rd Street Triple and undeniably the best so far. Styling is a personal thing but I like it more than the previous bikes. I like the fact they’ve made the front end similar to the Speed Triple and got rid of the flyscreen as standard which always looked like a badly fitting toupee. I love the new tank design and colour choices. Got sick of the same old black, silver, white choices. But the main performance differences are the raised rear height giving a quicker turn in and the gearing changes which make the bike a lot more fun and pull more in the mid range. Brakes have more feel than the M50 on my last bike as well so that’s another improvement. Overall I can’t fault the bike.
100% agree with you, so far the best street triple ever, but for someone who can't afford the new any previous generation will be a good choice and good fun 👍
Did you notice the speed of the menu / dash being faster on the latest generation? As the 2020 dash is very slow to select modes
No, I didn't notice any speed difference between my 2022 ST and the new model, the only difference which I've noticed is that the new model has a higher resolution display, and obviously the whole dash is different, it's fixed, when the previous generation dash you can adjust up or down.
Thx good comparison video 👍
The reason why the new Street Triple is "more poppy, more quicker, more hooligan", is because of the 1 tooth smaller front sprocket and 2 teeth larger rear sprocket. This is also why the bike gets much worse fuel mileage. TH-camrs are getting around 40 mpg--down about 5 mpg from previous year. In my opinion, this wasn't a good trade off considering that the 890cc MT-09 SP is getting at least 50 mpg and it's a 900. I still love the new Triumph 765 though and it's a relatively easy fix to put different sprockets and a new chain.
Unless you’re doing long motorway hauls in 6th gear this shouldn’t make much difference to mpg. Obviously using higher revs does increase mpg, but changing the final drive is more about making the gearing suitable for its intended use.
@P_Diddly I think you meant to say that "using higher revs" DECREASES "mpg", not " increases".
I love these comments and the naysayers. Let me tell you, I have a 2024 765, and have it fairly “juiced up”; full spark exhaust, D N A air filter, rapid bike fuel management (FULL DYNO TUNED) an aluminum rear sprocket and a 520 conversion kit. I ride the heck out of this thing. However, in sixth gear, it feels like I’m looking for another gear. I recently installed a 46 tooth rear sprocket, and it is AWESOME!!! I for 132/60 from the dyno, so power wasn’t an issue, hence that punch a 48 t rear sprocket would offer. The 46 t keeps the revs in the sweet spot without the feeling of always hitting the rev limiter.
@@ridepastu1418I've noticed that too in 6th gear when test riding them. The transmission would be perfect if it had a 7th gear but no one makes any such thing for a motorcycle. When you went down to a 46 tooth sprocket, was it noticeably less torque(y)? I don't know if you know this, but (completely stock) the 2024s engine is even a full 500 rpms higher (5500 rpms) at 65 mph in 6th gear than the smaller engine of the Trident 660 -- which is at 5000 rpms at 65 mph in 6th. The 765 RS can get away with it because it has a much higher rpm redline but it's still crazy to think about. It's also much smoother than the Trident; especially at the higher revs.
@@lateralus9244-2 was too much. I lost a lot of the bikes power. Maybe-1 rear sprocket would be a bit more optimal. I top mine out about 142, and that’s literally all she has, with stock (15f/48r) stock gearing. Unsprung and sprung weight reduction is where it’s at; “lighter is better”, power to weight ratio. Titanium hardware, lithium battery and dymag wheels are the sweetspot performance upgrades that really makes this bike shine…
Interesting tid-bit of information, the 2023 765 rs has a factory built engine for this new model year; forged pistons and rods, and titanium valve train. 💪
I don't know if you noticed ? the 2023 street triple has the front lights inserted inside, while the older models have them slightly protruding
Yes I did noticed, sorry I didn't mentioned it in the video. Also there is different tail light on the new model ST, the shape and size it's exactly to same as the old one, however the new ST light has different LED lights inside the tail lights, so lights up different way.
Will the seat on a 2020 fit properly onto the newest model?
I have a Corbin seat being made for my 2020 RS and may get one made for a new bike when I buy it.
Yes, the seat is exactly the same for all the ST RS from 2020 till the new model. Basically the whole rear end is the same except the new model has a small ring spacer over the rear shock, so that's why it's 10mm taller and has slightly different more aggressive geometry.
Yea dealer offered me a 2022 demo was 25% cheaper then the new model, but i still decide to go for new model. just despite its more sporty feeling, and stunning color choice of the new RS. but same thing if money is a concern to the purchase decision, just pick the old molder, still a excellent bike!
Thank you for this excellent video with great points
Very good review. Makes me really appreciate my 2018 rs even more. My mileage is already not good at 35-40 or so mpg. So, not really interested in even worse numbers. Yes, I’m heavy handed.
Good comparison. I am hooked on this new one.
You did an outstanding job. Thank you!
Awesome comparison. Both amazing! I think I spy some Evotech frame sliders and axle bobbins on that 2022 model 😎
That's correct, I have on 2022 RS Evotech radiator guard, frame sliders, and rear axle bobbins, and front axle bobbins are from Triumph, and also Triumph engine covers.
@@darekz9777 Very nice. Sweet bike!
Awesome Comparison!
I don't like the plastic tank or the fixed headlamp, rather have it attached to the forks, sticks out too much and bothers me its stationary. The passenger sits on the plastic?
Tank it's metal, but has plastic cover, this bike, same as the other naked bikes in this mid range category wasn't designed to carry pillion, those bikes are one person fun bikes, not turing bikes. The look is very subjective, and personal thing, but in my opinion it looks very sharp and aggressive, good looking bike 👍
@@darekz9777 oh thought I saw rear foot pegs. So wow that be the whole point of buying it to take hot chicks for a ride.
It has rear foot pegs, RS model comes with a plastic rear seat cowl plus you will also get rear passenger seat, but I meant that the rear seat is small and not really comfortable to carry passengers for long distance.
Thank You. Should I get a used 2020 with 7000 miles for £15500($19500) or buy brand new 2024 for £20000($25000)? I have the cash to buy new. I am a beginner (used to ride 150cc 2 strokes in my 20s and 500c Royal Enfield) and starting riding classes just to get proficient. Please advise 🙏🏻 Thank You
PS: I live in Denmark so Taxes here are rough.
I thought I lived in an expensive country, but £20k for a new ST RS that must be a joke 😱.
If money is not an object buy the new model, but if you want to save some money look for the second hand bike.
Also if you are looking for a naked bike, I'll strongly suggest you look at the
Yamaha MT 09 SP, this bike offers you the same if not more than ST RS for less money.
Best of luck with the new purchase .
@@darekz9777 i am total rookie so you have no idea how much I appreciate your advice. Thank you. BTW I was also suggested the Kawasaki Z900. And I am also considering the BMW R 1250 R as my Wife has also expressed interest to join me once I am totally hands on with the new bike.
Btw I dont mind going used and can save some decent money.
Denmark has 25% VAT on Bikes and charges a further 150% as Regusteration Tax. Its probably the most expensive place to own cars and bikes
Z900 is also a good bike, less futures and less advanced than ST RS, but also costs less money.
If you are looking for a motorcycle that you can ride with passengers I wouldn't recommend buying a naked bike. These bikes are solo riding fun sports bikes, they have passenger seats but it's small, uncomfortable and there very unstable with extra load at the back.
So if you plan riding with your wife then maybe Yamaha 9GT, or Tiger 900 GT Pro or similar sport turing bikes will be a better choice for you.
@@darekz9777 i like the look of the triumph 1200 speed twin and there is a used (1400km) for sale less than 20% of brand new price. Yes I need to test ride the bikes. But I am looking at the ST765 and Speed Twin as options
There are 2 different style bikes/ different riding experience, any bike test ride will give you more clear and quicker answer to your questions than any Internet suggestions and opinions.
I tested the new one and have the old one. But... How to say this?
Upgrade on some aspects, sidegrade on a lot of stuff. For more money, at least in my country.
I am probably on the minority here.
Thank you
You're welcome
The 2017 to 2019 model has a really poor mid range which was sorted on the 2020 model so for early 765 street triples the R is a better bet as it had a great mid range.
I wouldn't say that they completely sorted the lack of the mid range, on 2020 to 2022, they slightly improved it, but this is not enough at least for my taste. That's why in the new model they have shorter gears and changed sprockets to give people the impression that the bike is more playful and has more bottom and mid range.
Street triple doesn't need more power, it needs more torque, but this only can be sorted when they put on it bigger cc engine.
@@darekz9777 I bought the 2023 model in March after owning the 2020RS and 2017 R and the shorter gearing has really boosted low and mid range acceleration but I thought Triumph might follow the lead of KTM and Yamaha who both increased the capacity of their middleweight nakeds but I guess they have to keep the 765 capacity if they don't want to lose their Moto 2 contract.
Happy to be corrected but I believe the ealier bikes do not have a 6 Axis I.M.U like on the 2023 model.
Good for Triumph to incude same
Yes, the IMU on ST is only from the 2023 model.
@@darekz9777Thanks for confiriming. In my mind that is a significant difference between the two bikes
Love my carbon black!
Me too 😉👍
Very interesting to watch the detailed comparison. Seems there is a bit more plastic. A tremendous shame that they did not redesign the dash board layout. The tach is unusable at pace and other numbers too small. It is poorly designed. Someone at Triumph needs a new career..
Interesting comment on the size of the engine. We live in a world focused on climate changes and decarbonisation. Cars are generally getting smaller engines or heading to hybrids and BEVs. If Triumph was being responsible the Speed Triple would reduce back to 1050 CC and the Street Triple stay where it is. But the Moto industry seems to have its head in the clouds....
I'm in the same tessiture....
Old 2022 for 10.800€ or new for 13.250€ (red).
I'm just worried about wheelie-control, tech pack, and the gearbox, as i tried the R 2023 and it was blast, it made me smile like a kid
like none of the other bikes could ( not the monster, not the mt09 ).
Any ideas if there is any difference in terms of handling, engine or gearbox to really consider the new one? The 2023 was butter smooth
perfect shifter, up and down, i do not want to get disappointed by 2022 one if is really worse, to just save 2.5k€.
Also, one thing i like about the old, is the metal tank, the new one is plastic, and feels kinda cheap, plus 2.5L less capacity.
Suggestions?
If you can afford it go for the new one.
The difference between the previous model and the new one apart from the look is that the new model got the electronic package IMU which is good to have, engine has lighter internal parts, but bigger compression ratio, gearbox has shorter gears and also front sprocket is smaller and the rear sprocket is bigger which gives you impression that the bike is more torque and playful, even the torque is the same between those 2 models.
The new model also has a new type of quickshifter with a pressure sensor inside which is smoother than the previous gen.
The handling between those 2 bikes is exactly the same. I didn't feel any difference, maybe because the whole chassis, suspension, and swing arms are the same.
From the negative points, the new model has a smaller tank ( I've been told that the tank is metal, but only the outside cover is plastic), due to different sprockets bigger fuel consumption which will give you smaller range, and less top speed.
For me the so-called "new model" is only evolution, but it's very hard to make a good bike even better, so when you calculate the cost of the new upgrades they've put on the new model it will be more than 2.5k€.
If money is not an object 100% go for the new one. 👍
@@darekz9777 I'm really in doubt, if difference are negligent i may go for the 2022, which one would you pick personally?
Can you test the 2022 model, or any ST from 2020? That will quickly answer your question.
The fundamental basics of those 2 bikes are exactly the same, but the twicks they've done to the new model makes it more lively and more fun to ride than the previous model.
2.5k€ it's a lot of money to load a 2022 model with all the extras you can only dream about, but at the same time the cost of the whole upgrades that Triumph done with the new 2023 model will be way more than 2.5k€, and you want to be able to replicate them to the previous gen.
Like I said the new model didn't feel for me that it's better to handle a motorcycle, but definitely felt more playful, more fun, more torque than the previous 2022 model, and the quickshifter is far more better too.
I'll suggest you to find the previous gen and test ride it, that will save you future disappointment if you wouldn't like it.
@@darekz9777 Just ordered the Carbon Black 2022, the 17.5L capacity tank ( no plastic ) feels way nicer and the extra 2.5L i think will come in handy, also i know the new one feels more playful but i'm sure old one is good enough, i will be using it as a daily rider, for commuting, routes...etc. So i guess the 2022 power should suffice.
I just hope quickshifter isn't really that much worse as you mention, the 2023 R i tried was really flawless, probably i will get disappointed, but
overall i'm happy, and for the 10.8k i have paid, i can always sell it later on the year and buy the newer model, not loosing that much money
compared if i bought the 2023 ( i think ).
Thanks for the answers!
That was exactly the reason why I bought my 2022 ST RS Carbon Black 😉, and I love it. In my opinion the Carbon black looks much better than the new one ( much premium, less cheap plastics, and bigger tank), and it's also very special because there weren't many of them sold out worldwide ( I have only one sold in Ireland).
You won't feel any power different, because the extra power seats very high at the rpm scale ( the old model has top power 500rpm lower than the new one), but the shorter gears and different sprockets makes the new model more playful.
Quick shifter works better on the new model because it's a new generation , with old model is not too bad, you have to only remember it will works better with higher rpms.
Every person is different, and chooses with different criteria, for me I am still 100% sure that I made the right decision at that point in my life. The bike gave me plenty of satisfaction with every single ride, and then I had enough money left to fully accessories it.
Best of luck with the new purchase 👍
And even after a while if you don't like it, you can always sale it or trade it for the new one.
I'm definitely stick with my Carbon black 😉.
The new 2023 ST RS in Ireland cost 15180€, it's a rip off country 😭
2023 is also safer now with cornering ABS thanks to the IMU
Please help me decide,
Brand new price : DKK 175000($25500)
Used 2020 model with 10000km : DKK 135000 ($19665)
Brand new Moto 2 Demo (white tank) : DKK 205000 ($29860)
I have cash to purchase all 3 but not sure which is the best option.
I am somewhere between beginner to an intermediate level rider.
What is Demo 2, and why is it so expensive?
@@darekz9777 the Moto 2 Demo is a limited edition Street Triple RS with only 765 units made I 2 colour ways. It is also better in many ways. More power, carbon fibre parts etc. It is sold out in most parts of the world.
@@darekz9777 The prices are more expensive because in Denmark, we pay 25% VAT and 150-180% Tax.
The only difference between Moto2 edition and RS is mostly clip ons vs handlebar 😉, the engine, power chassis, suspension, brakes are exactly the same as on RS. Of course the Moto2 edition has a few extra carbon bits on it and a fancy paint job, but still the rest is exactly the same as RS, so you can't just say that some components on the Moto2 edition are better than on RS- they're the same. What makes the Moto2 edition so special is been the limited edition and clip ons, and much nicer paint job. I'm pretty sure the Moto2 edition will hold the value over the years and it will be the collectors bike. I'll suggest you, if you really want to own an ST RS, buy the new 2024 model.
Have a look at one of my videos, I've done a close comparison between the Moto2 edition and the new ST RS.
carbon black
Same as mine 2023, but the vin is 22 model, the Carbon Black RS was only offered for a couple of months from middle of 2022 to the end of the 2022, and then was replaced by 2023 RS models in: Cosmic Yellow, Carnival Red, and Silver Ice colours.
You think this RS will be as reliable as the previous generations?
Yes, I think it will be. More or less it is the same bike. The biggest upgrade to the previous generation is the new gearbox and engine internals + new quick shifter. Outside changes are very small ( new tank and front end) gives it only more fresher and sharper look. I don't see why this new gen should be less reliable than any previous one.
@@darekz9777 I was considering the boost in HP and how it might effect the engine but it shouldn’t be a noticeable difference longterm unless you’re trashing it constantly.
Planing on getting one sometime in December, looking forward to it since I’m jumping from an R3 onto a 765.
You won't be able to feel extra power on the road because peak power is at the 12k rpm, but because they shorter gears ratio bike feels more torque and lively between 1-3 gears compared to the previous generation.
Watched entire video, read 50 comments, no word of bikes weight. triumph says 2022 bike dry weight 168kg and 2023 bike wet weight is 189kg. Why did not talk about that. Is new model a bit heavier¿
Sorry, sometimes it's very hard to remember about all the details, which you want to talk about in the video.
I spoke with a few Triumph technicians and they told me that the weight between the previous gen and the new one remains the same. If there is any difference, there will be + - 1kg or even less. The new model got the IMU and combined front and rear brake system which increased bike weight, but at the same time Triumph decreased the fuel tank on the new model to 15l vs 17.4l on previous model. The engine interior parts on new Street Triple RS are also slightly lighter, also the belly pan is smaller/lighter, the radiator side cover panels are made now from light plastic vs aluminum on previous generation. The front end on the new model is very minimalistic, where the previous model had a much bigger dash cowl and slightly different lights. So all that was done by Triumph to keep the weight as low as possible, and they definitely didn't want to have a new model weight more than the previous generation.
Hope that answered your question.
I forgot to also mention about the lighter exhaust on the new Street Triple Rs
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i've got street triple rs 2021 , amazing bike !! it smokes most middle class bikes vs mt09, z900 , r6 , etc
Yes, you're right about ST RS, it's a real street and track weapon, amazing motorcycle 👍
Good video in general but please don‘t end every other sentence with „okay?“. That shit‘s irritating, okay? 😂
I'll remember not to say it in the future 😉
This is very misleading and confusing. Triumph still makes BOTH bikes, neither one is newer or an older one. Either “Street Triple” or the 765.
It's not the same engine...there are plenty of differences...
I much prefer the older ones, better in every way except 5hp boohoo
The old one has more quality finish, the new one in some places has cheap looking plastics, but both bikes are great fun.
The extra HP are not that important, because you don't really fill them on the road, I wish that ST RS has more Nm in the future because that's what really matter.
@@darekz9777 true, I'm very happ with my 2022 regardless
So do I. If I'm gonna replace it it has to be completely new generation of ST RS with bigger engine.
@@darekz9777 true maybe an 850cc, my close second choice was the ducati streetfighter 848
MT09 SP will be also a very good choice, and MT09 will be a more road focused bike.
Triumph is over priced
Yes, that's the only problem with Triumph bikes, all of them are more expensive than competitors, but at the same time the build quality, and the components are top class.
That´s an interesting point... Here in Brazil I was looking at the middle-range bikes since early 2023, and I found the Street RS ´22 to be the best "bang for your buck", IMO. Ohlins and Showa adjustable shocks, Brembo big brakes, Pirelli Supercorsa tires, TFT screen w/ BT, big gas tank, nice electronic aids, quickshifter up/down and the amazing 123hp 765cc 3cyl engine, not to mention the impressive lightweight body with 188kg curb weight. All this and the bike is a missile with a soundtrack to back the performance :)
That's exactly why I bought a 2022 ST RS, best "bang for your buck" , the next best choice will be MT 09 SP, both great bikes which won't disappoint you, and will give you a lot of satisfaction from riding them.