HOW TO CATCH MORE WAVES IN CROWDED SURF (without annoying anybody)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Crowded surf spots are becoming more and more common in this 'stay at home' work environment; surfers are less bound by the clock and less bound by location.
In this video I chat through, using some clear examples, strategies you can apply to increase your wave count (without annoying anybody!) amongst a crowded line up.
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I love this video! I’m an intermediate surfer and at times I’ll make a mistake in the line up. While working on my abilities is my obvious priority the vibe in the water with the other surfers is what makes my experience amazing or frustrating. Even if I have a bad day if the vibes are good in the water I always leave the water happy. We should all be looking for that unity over ego vibe in the water. I always appreciate a more advanced surfer educating me respectfully then someone entitled operating from their ego!
great comment
I wish I could show this video to everyone in the line up
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣in dyinnn
people still wouldnt get it right though thats how dumb the people are that dont know etiquette
@@webby6944 yeah but in my experience it's the better surfers who shit in etiquette to get more waves....advanced surfers and locals
@@dimaermolenko98 don't bite you don't eat
@@dimaermolenko98 this is true. They paddle back out right in front of the peak like there’s no line. I’m a local at my break and I don’t act like a spoiled ego kid. Most of the time they’re not even having fun. It’s pathetic
I was offering waves to others and they smiled and took it. One person kept taking every wave with no acknowledgement nor thank you to anyone else - just being in his own selfish world. I didn’t bother anymore to even try any form of communication and paddled somewhere else. I think a few others followed me because we were sick of him. Once he left, we were happy and peaceful again. We returned to that spot. Just because this person might have been stressed and needed a relief - what about the rest of us?
Lockdown has made surfing much more crowded.
I gave a wave to someone and they got mad at me and said I need to look better. okidoki
Some of the California beaches have been completely taken over by surf schools which I think is a little rude. I know there’s high demand right now to learn surfing, but it is a public beach. Leave some space for the public.
I know this is bad… but if someone is just taking every single wave without ever letting one through (talking to you long-boarders), I will drop in on them a few times to send a message to respect my space a bit. I almost never do this, but some people need to be reminded that etiquette is about mutual respect, and is not an obligation.
Amen Sarah Jane!
I definitely always chill for a few minutes after the paddle out and assess the crowd. I also look for the overly aggressive surfers so I can avoid them.
That part about paddling back out has to be one of the most important pieces of advice, I don't know how many times people haven't gotten out of the way and fucked up my line then had a go at me for not going around them. Mistakes are mistakes but Jesus, this kind of thing is common sense
kale - thank you for this video. i think more and more people need to see this. i am an intermediate surfer and have the occasional mistake in getting out of the way. i was at a spot in santa cruz and couldn’t read which way the guy was going to go. he pulled left as i was paddling to the shoulder and couldn’t make the duck dive. i totally owned up to my bad not reading him taking off to the left. well he got super aggressive in the water swearing at me, telling me to get out of the water, calling me a kook and all of his friends were in on it with him. i stayed in the line up as i know i need to stand my ground. i apologized again to him as i felt bad i couldn’t get out of his way. he grunted and paddled past me. i surfed the rest of my day and caught a few more waves. i am out there having a good time and don’t want to cut somebody off. if he could have paddled over and said hey i’m going to take lefts so watch out i would have been cool with that and totally respected him. but he felt being aggressive was the way to get his point across. i just blew it off, but if this would have been a beginner surfer then that may have ruined surfing for the person. i know when i get cut off and its disappointing but i have never been aggressive with somebody. i just usually say it’s cool and hey i’m going to be taking rights or lefts. just to let them know. i think it takes educating people in the water to make it better for everybody. i really like this post and how it is educating people on how to respect the line up. 🤙🏻
You can’t teach niceness!
Perfect advice for everyone. I think we are all guilty of being wave pigs sometimes but it’s always a better surf when everybody gets a wave🤙
Never stop a man in flow.
One mistake I used to do when I was less advanced is to let myself get cought by the anxiety of the crowd. Many intermediates and beginers just paddle everything around and bother each other not letting each other really surf. What you have to do is to stay cool, knowing that you are gonna catch much less waves than if you were alone. Just wait for your opportunity, use your body language when paddleing into the wave and then surf wisely. In that case you will catch a better wave for you, you won't mess around and you will gain respect in the line up.
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Man, I love the philosophy behind your videos. Everything you said is spot on. I did once, as a paddler coming back out, accidentally triple hesitated left and right and ended up almost crashing with a surfer and ruined his wave. I was soooo embarrassed. I apologised, he was pissed for 30 seconds but then realised I really made a mistake. We ended up striking a nice conversation, and when I saw a screaming right hander coming my way, I looked at him and said: "it's yours!".
We go to a beginner break and work on various skills - usually on the inside. We'll be in the water a half hour and some "experienced" surfer will snake us along with some "beginner" friends and try to take every wave. So we'll be courteous to a point then just go back to it. They know what they're doing is wrong so usually don't say anything - often just move on. Doesn't always happen but enough to be annoying and prove that many "beginners" aren't being taught the basics of surfing courtesy. I've even heard surf school instructors say "just take off - they'll miss you"! Ah good old Doheny! Thanks for giving the topic much needed attention!
"Regardless of experience or ability." I wish. If the locals perceive you as anything less than pro, you'll get back paddled. And the other Wave Hog Bholes who hog the peak. This is the guideline, but different spots will adhere to this to varying degrees.
I grew up surfing Scripps and Windansea in SoCal, and learned positioning and communication was key.
Never been a cutoff sort of surfer - hate it when others do it to me.
Not a total snake, but wasn’t afraid to paddle around people to get the goods (as ethically as possible).
Now a grumpy old longboarder that still gets his share. 🤙
Good advice, most breaks are zoos these days. Socal checking in.
Good stuff Kale. I like good vibes coupled with good etiquette. Just one important note: The "look" to see if someone coming down the line is gonna make it, should not be done if the waves are barreling. You'll snowball the surfer every time. If someone is going down the line on a barreling wave you've just gotta let that wave go and give them every chance to make it.
Yep no paddles or movement unless they’re already fallen off 👊🏾👊🏾
i appreciate your attitude. it’s never easy to surf with so many people
This video and the thumbnail felt all too relatable. As someone who’s only been surfing for half a year, I don’t always catch every wave I paddle for so I tend to start sitting on the sides of the lineup so I don’t get in anyone’s way in case I fall. Similar to the beginner you pointed out in the video. Thanks for sharing all these tips, Kale. Can’t wait to get back out there.
Need more Kales in the lineup. It can be so frustrating even as long time intermediate if there are quite a few really good surfers in the lineup that just take off on everything. I usually go in and hate on life. lol
I remember about a month ago the waves were firing and there was a surfer taking off and I didn’t know we’re to go to avoid him then I messed him and he was pissed but he said next time just paddle to the white wash 🤙🏽
A friendly way of calling you a kook🤣
@@RickyReneGarciaJr lol
It's true. If in question, it's the better choice to take it on the head. Aka, brave the white wash and duck behind the surfer.
if you don't have space or time to shoulder it to you gotta take it on the head..
Kale you've made a lot of great videos but I think this is my favourite. Lots of nuance in the line up and being active and showing your intention whether going for the wave or paddling out are things that aren't taught people very often. I think this video is incredibly useful, thanks so much!
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Beautiful job explaining etiquette 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 i hope you can add in a future video too, for people not to get greedy either and think that just because they're deeper than everybody and sitting the furthest out that they can catch any wave that passes by them, especially if they already caught a bunch or blew a bunch
How to avoid crowds: foil
I’ve gotten to the point where I can now ride a wave and get in some turns, then exit at full speed, before I even reach a lineup of surfers. It’s truly magical.
But if you HAVE to surf in a crowd, COMMUNICATE! Ask which way people are wanting to go. Be friendly. Make a joke. Laugh. Ask to party wave. You’ll be surprised how many people will party wave with you. Just don’t do it every wave.
Love this episode Mate! It's so true everything you said about negotiating the lineup, & being cool with beginners and establishing whose gonna go before.. the other day at Malibu I said to another surfer " I'm gonna go left!" Rarely get a good left on the inside.. I find it also good to move around at the breaks or point that offer multiple take off zones besides the obvious point or points.
Also great shower 🚿 barrel !!🌊🐬🌟✨🏄🏽♂️
Shampoo tube!
Agreed, Nowhere in this video did I hear anything about how long you’ve been surfing at a certain spot and ur entitlement to it
One situation I often encounter is with a peak that is splitable. Oftentimes, another surfer will try to basically backdoor it, rather than splitting it.
Like being ony the far right shoulder and calling LEFFT! God i hate those people
this sounds more like an instructional video on how to serve tea properly during lunch. you aussies are so polite and classy!
I'm currently just using a Science boogie board and getting a feel... I appreciate these types of videos, I really want to surf
Love your attitude and the vibe you spread!
Thanks for another great video Kale. I'm learning to surf in crowded San Diego and I def. go out of my way to the shoulder avoid the better surfers. My main thing is to never hurt anyone or myself and then hope to not ruin others rides. All these tutorials def. help in the learning process.
Such a great educational video that I feel EVERY surfer should see. Very well explained. I think if everyone can learn to be patient and courteous surfing can be enjoyable for everyone. Hope people can change their attitudes some day.
Simple and easy to understand. Obviously, with a lack of experience, it is more difficult to decide in the lineout sometimes but what a great starting point. Thanks Kale!!!!
Great video and explanations man. Loved the bit about committing to your line when your paddling back out. Made that exact mistake last time I was out and me and the guy getting up to ride did the "which way you going?" dance. I felt bad I kinda messed up his wave because of my hesitation and apologised but he was cool about it. Great advice!
In some spots there is a point where it gets so crowded that all etiquette and rules go out the window, want a wave today? Get ready from some heavy negotiations 🤪
Super helpful to this beginner who finds surfing in a crowd a bit scari. Thanks!
Great video, it’s amazing how much surfing can teach you about communication at all levels.
Really like your content, Kale! Amazing vid
Lovin'n that sharpeye! Looks sic.
The mid gets hectic but not crazy goldcoast style, cheers for the tips Kale🤙
Hey Kale, I watch your videos since some time now and usually don't comment, but I most say thanks for this video. :) Also, the waves are so freaking awesome over there in Australia, loving the crowded first person shot where the wave breaks absolutely perfect. Keep up the great content, cheers from Germany and soon Fuerteventura :)
Great video Kale! You really helped me pick up my surf game! Still learning but catching more waves. Now learning to turn. Turning at the shoulders like you say. Great stuff! Greetings from SF Bay Area/Santa Cruz Surf Spots. 🌊🤙🎨
We use the same tactic: space
Everything you say is spot on
8:12 nice finish
great message at the end, and so many good Infos and tips! thank you very much!!!
This was a good one! 😊
Love this. Nice break down and great tips.
Man I love your videos. As a beginner, this one really helps. 🙏
dealing with crowded surf on oahu is a big thing, thanks for this mate!
Solid breakdown.
I love your videos dude! I have been really trying to improve my surfing this summer so I’ve been binging your videos😁
Awesome! Tim The Kook no more; intro Tim The Shred Lord
@@KalesBroccoli lol that feels awesome coming from you😂🤙
Gracious as always, dude.
I lived and surfed at Rincon and all points in between for over 30 years so I got really good at this!
One of your most helpful videos so far, always tricky. As an intermediate, I hope that the more experienced really take this to heart as I often witness them using their advanced skills to take unfair advantage. At least here in Spain. Great video!
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D-bar is amazing! You really tore it up! There is actually an etiquette board a couple of beaches north at Snapper Rocks. Even the best surfers there don't always observe these rules but it's a pretty good guide.
Great positive attitude!! 🙂
Such a great channel man. Thanks for all the work you do!
Glad you enjoy it!
Sharpeye looking good mate!!!! 🤙🏽
Top notch advice Kale. I just wish people would do as you say. I surf a crowded break here in Wellington, NZ and etiquette of this kind is completely void. I am Int/Adv surfer and it does my head in how disrespectful and arrogant very good surfers are at the break to others not of their abilities. It makes it dangerous and aggressive. An additional factor is the best peak is a left off a sea wall so makes take off zone and crowd very compacted. :(
You’re awesome kale!
I solved the crowds with catch surf 😊
Makes sense now ! I was that body boarder taking it personally thinking the surfers where against me. 😆🤦🏽♂️ now I know and will be aware while I’m out there 🤙
"Take if you want a slice, if you want a piece, if it feels alright. Don't come over here, and piss on my gate. Save it just keep it, off my wave"
- Chris Cornell, Soundgarden.
Superunknown was our fave album to crank on our weekend surf trips to the Goldie back in the mid to late 90s when we sometimes scored perfect 2-3 foot winter barrels at Kirra all to ourselves late in the arvo after rocking D'bah most of the day. How times have changed...
Perfect advice for all Californian surfers especially.
Growing up on the gc this is a skill u learn very quickly
As a novice surfer trying to get some medium to bigger waves at Snapper Rocks, a common scenario is that I stake my place, waiting for a good wave and an advanced surfer paddles just behind me right before I'm about the catch the wave, and due to etiquette, I then have to bail out.
The etiquette rules really don't much account for this, despite not being supposed to snake waves, advanced surfers don't see it that way because they just think of the rules you have mentioned.
However, I don't take it to heart and I'm just going to keep improving until I can out-position those advanced surfers.
Main thing I deal with is waiting for a set or a wave, and someone paddles from inside or outside and cuts the lineup. How do you negotiate in that situation?
In Australia we call it snaking and you should call out the offender
@@KalesBroccoli in Hawaii it’s called ‘pecking order’. Best to know where you stand before calling people out. I recently called out a snake at my local spot (full of groms, btw) who ran into me, ruining both our chances at catching the wave and it nearly caused him to burst a blood vessel.
@@skylerwaite Fuck pecking order ..If youre lucky enough to be the inside man youre in .
Good, insightful, vid, Thanks.
Great attitude
Awesome advice as I surf a very local and small take off zone 👍Only thing I'd say is DONT be that shoulder hopper peeking into my shoulder when I'm coming down the line...those guys get sprayed if possible but at Dbrah I don't think u have a choice too crowded...Another tip LOOK CRAZY ,they won't mess w u lol
Cool guy and great info
Great video Kale! Just learnt about shampoo barrels! haha!
Thank you for this! 👍🤙
Crowded surf?! come down to Southern Cali, ill show you what crowded is! :)
I’ve been all over and that session in the clip is crowded based on anyone’s standards
You right Matt, in Siargao (Philippines), Indonesia, Eurpe, it is un uncrowded perfect session...
Pfffffft. Try new smyrna on the ONLY day in july ABOVE 1 foot. Thats not crowded mate, THIS is crowded mate!
Looking at that on-board footage I am actually surprised by how relatively few accidents happen in crowded spots
This video really helped me and I wonder if you saw the recent comment I left on one of your videos about a Snapper Rocks session I had that inspired this vid? Thanks for the in depth explanation Kale. I appreciate the time and effort.
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Big thing to touch on also is “back paddling”. Became a huge problem in SoCal during lockdown. Lots of young bucks taking their 6months of developed paddle prowess and jumping the “line” by frantically paddling towards a wave, naively ignoring folks who’ve been occupying space / waiting in the ideal take off zone only to get jumped by some goof who paddled around everyone and to the untrained eye, took off closest to the peak. Only way to deal with this in the moment is confrontation as explanation typically leads to confusion… but some more education around the concept will hopefully amend this plague over time
Hello, I hope you could answer this please because I am thinking of buying the inferno 72 thanks to you but I would like the difficulty of catching the wave with the board, thank you
New surfer in Malibu here (crowded waves).
It is totally ok to correct our behavior. As long as you’re not abusive we welcome the feedback.
Took off on a ~5ft wave at San Onofre and some guy was in the water in front of me with his arms draped over a very shiny, very long board, and the whole thing was perpendicular to the direction of my travel so there was no way I could avoid him. I turned into the wave to ditch and drifted toward him we had a slow collision in the whitewater. Me: "Hey, are you alright?" Him: "WHAT THE F WERE YOU THINKING?" (while frantically going over his shiny board trying to find a ding) I was thinking I was going to catch a wave... I find myself wondering a lot if there was anything I was doing wrong in that situation other than taking off on the wave when there was someone in my path that couldn't paddle... Whatever the case, it's just incredible that there are people who will can be in a collision and won't bother to check if the other person is OK. (I'm intermediate, been surfing several times a week for about 2.5 years)
Funny stuff, was at San O a week ago same conditions . Not only did girl not choose a direction just sat there, she was practically holding hands with a friend so as I caught the wave I had no where to go except bail. Boards hit. Luckily no harm except her hand on the board a tad. I ask are you ok?and likewise she looks at me like wtf? I find paddlers sit inside hoping for outside riders to whiff...but then fail to move if they guess wrong. Not sure what to do about that....a lot of times I just let waves go....and then I say time for people to learn the hard way.
Riding a normal surfboard greatly advanced your surfing!
i am a totally beginner surfing with a couch and last session we got a lot of noobies from other schools and it is caotic. To me that just "surf" the end of a wave, its ok but i can see how this can make life really hard trying to get up out there.
it can be really hard for beginner surfers to drop in on that steep section which means they never have right of way on peaky waves because only advanced surfers can take the early steep drop. Ive seen beginners patiently waiting off the shoulder for a free wave and literally not getting a single one a whole session because advanced surfers paddle straight up the que to the peak
So true! A little kindness and sharing would be most welcome in this sort of situation!
Hi Kale, thanks for the vid. Im looking at getting a twinny. I am an intermediate surfer currently riding a 6.1 thruster 32 litres. I surf once a week on average. I am 5,7 and 58kg what dims would you recommend for a twinny? I was thinking 5,9 keel fins 32-35litres. Thanks!
Hey Kale. Random, but what’s the song playing at around 8:23? Love your videos. I’m learning so much. Thank you!!
Will, our sound designer, made all these track. His link is in the description 🙏🏽
Great video, though idk why i watch your how to videos after +20years surfing, i wish every beginner saw that one ! Emphasis on "don't get instantly mad for a stolen wave", try to talk to the wave stealer he's most likely not an asshole, probably made a mistake or doesn't even know about priorities and now it's your time to shine and educate him !
Can you please do a version of this in Bondi at some point?
That looks like Fanning at 0:08 ............................ to say that's an advanced group is understatement I would suggest.
you love that inferno!
What happened at 7:22. It seems that u almost kill a paddler?! :-D
Just dodged someone who at least committed to paddling straight 👊🏾
Hey need some advice on reef breaks. I'm a driver n intermediate surfer.
That board looks sweet. What is it? (spec's)?
What's your take on those whom paddle back out to a line up after catching a wave then paddle further out than other surfers waiting their turn and try to catch the next wave? I think this should be covered in this video also......it's not cool.
I have covered it in the previous video - no it’s not acceptable
Can you please do a vid explaining how to get out of a wave, if you take on a wave to big and don’t want to surf it how to get out, thx mate 🤙
Wish you'd focused more on paddling to the white water rather the shoulder to get out of the way of a rider. momentarily crossing paths significantly reduces the risks of collision compared to when both the paddler and surfer are heading in the same direction to the shoulder.
You should translate this into Portuguese, if you know what I mean…
We’re working on it
the best strategy for surfing in crowded lineups is to not surf in them to begin with. find an uncrowded place and surf there. always works for me. crowded lineups require too much thinking and are destructive of wu wei.
Hello Kale, how do you create “space” (as u mentioned) so that other surfers are far away on the inside and u have plenty of space and priority?
Look for it - move into it
@@KalesBroccoli ok, great, thanks!
Love the final comment. Outside of cities there are lots of places to get a wave.
But don't get bullied away by antisocial people.
7:00 If i commit to One Direction. Should it be "night changes" or "what makes you beautiful"?
Hi, how tall are you? And wich size you ride on a shortboard.
Greetings from Germany
Legend
What do you do if you are in a crowded point break (let's say a left) and there's an arrogant surfer that after getting a wave when he comes back he always take the most right spot in the lineup?
Im calling drop in shenanigans on the grom at 5:41
7:20 How did that not ended up in some fin cuts ?