Normal everyday GERMAN THINGS that I really don't understand
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Hey guys, thanks for all the great feedback I can always count on you all for clearing things up for me. I just want to be clear that I didn't mean I actually had to wait in line for an hour. I was just using it as an example to represent waiting a long time, but I understand how some of you may have taken that literally.
Hey Antoinette,
Why dont u make a Patreon acc so we can support you?:^)
By the way Standard German exists just since the beginning of the 20th century and is therefore just round about 110-115 years old..a guy named Konrad Duden together with some other linguistics did initiate that...that´s why for example "the very most valid german book of words" is called Duden..because he did the main work back then although based on already existing researches of the way earlier living Brother´s Grimm...before that mainly every kind of today´s german dialects was considered as the right way to speak and write German regarding to the local area which most of them were more than less independent duchys or kingdoms (therefore own small states with their own language) anyway with their specific way of writing and speaking German and it was simply part of their identity as duchy or kingdom...so the German language was for over thousand years simply a mess regarding of many ways of spelling/writing and pronuncation of words respectively by having many different words for the same things (which is today also the case but considered as dialect) but in matter of states it doesn´t matter at all because the language of law was Latin anyway...but most of those duchys and kingdoms became today´s Germany unified under Prussians rule and became the "Deutsches Reich" so therefore it was just a matter of time that the language got unified respectively standardized as well as an effort to build a unified german national mindset..by the way Bismark himself was all of his lifetime against that and had even forbidden to do so as Duden made an enquiry to do so because he was not really a german nationalist but a hard line prussian nationalist...so therefore that standardization just happened after Bismark´s death..
And because Switzerland and Austria never was part of that unified Germany under Prussian´s thumb they´ve got a different standardized German than Germany although they took part of Duden´s approach and adopted many things in matter of grammar respectively they took already part during the whole process of developments which all were worked out together..but those 2 simply also kept a lot of their local for over thousand years valid own peculiarities as part of keeping their identity as an independent nation.
There is no logic in the queuing up as far as I'm aware, it's first come first serve. I think, quite often the person at the end of a long line is the quickest to act and to "run" to the counter that opens. Another reason, I believe is, Germans are just less disciplined when it comes to queuing up for things. You can notice that at bus or train stations or the like, when in England or so people queue up, in Germany it's usually a bunch of people trying to get in first. We just don't queue up, everyone is in for their benefit first, whoever is quickest benefits first. It's sad but true.
They are especially mean to Ossies
@Antoinette Emily I must agree with what @blagblahbalh said, in case of queueing, germans just lack of manners. BUT!
What you CAN do is, if you have way less articles to buy than the person in front of you, just ask the friendliest possible way if he/she would let you pass. Most people will have the kindness, cause they're too ashamed to do "the asshole". 😂
"Wer glaubt, dass es keinen Kampfgeist mehr gibt, der sollte mal darauf achten,
was sich im Supermarkt abspielt, wenn plötzlich eine neue Kasse aufgemacht wird."
ich bleib immer an "meiner" Kasse stehen... sollen die doch ihre Strapie abziehn. ich bleib da standhaft. sieht immer affig aus wie die Leute dann da rüber stürzen und sich manchmal anmeckern... dem geh ich aus dem Weg. und häufig ist dann meine Schlange kürzer als die an der neuen Kasse xD
Man kann auch einfach die Kassiererin beobachten, die an der bereits offenen Kasse sitzt. Denn die haben - je nach Supermarktkette unterschiedlich - einen "Rufknopf". Wenn die da hingreift und klingelt, kann man sich schon mal in Position begeben, denn dann steht die Öffnung eine weiteren Kasse unmittelbar bevor.
Ja ihr seid ja alle unfreundliche Menschen.
@@ThatSux Das stimmt ja so eigentlich nicht. Es ist eher so, dass viele Menschen in Deutschland gar keine Zeit haben, um überhaupt darüber nachzudenken. Die meisten sind nämlich vorwiegend mit der Rettung der Welt beschäftigt und können auf ihre Mitmenschen daher keinerlei Rücksicht nehmen. Manche weil sie das wirklich von sich glauben. manche werden in einer Art kollektivem Wahn geradezu gezwungen und würden sich ganz schlecht fühlen, wenn sie dem Irrsinn nicht hinterherlaufen. Es gibt aber auch ganz andere Verhaltensweisen. Wenn ich etwa zuweilen in so einer Schlange steht und hinter mir steht jemand, der nicht so viele Sachen hat, oder auch jemand der Arbeitsklamotten anhat, weswegen es klar ist, dass er gerade Mittagspause hat und diese nicht in der Schlange verbringen sollte, dann spreche ich die Leute an und frage, ob sie vor mich in die Schlange wollen.
@@CGohlkeMixes mir musst du das nicht erzählen. Ich bin Jung, ich hab Zeit, ich kann warten. Immer wenn mich ältere Damen vorlassen wollen, sind die immer wieder überrascht wenn ich ihnen sage, das alles okay ist. Das sie sich darüber keine Sorgen machen brauchen.
Aber letztendlich ist Zeitdruck auch kein sehr gutes Argument um nicht mehr Freundlich zu sein.
Und Menschen die der Meinung sind das ihr Persönlicher Zeitdruck (welcher meist selbst verschuldet ist) Grund genug ist um jegliche Umgangsform über Bord zu werfen, kann ich sowieso nicht ausstehen.
Ich fand es immer viel schlimmer, wenn es nach der Schule schon wieder dunkel war, bis ich wieder nach Hause gekommen bin.
Arbeiten gibt dem ganzen nochmal die extra würze.. gab schon Wochen in denen ich keine sonne gesehen hab.
Schule soll uns bloß früh brechen damit wir uns später nicht beschweren
@@Hitcho96 stimmt schon irgendwie
Ja wir haben schulbeginn um 8:15 und teilweise erst 17:10 schluss. Das ist echt soo deprimierend weil es immer dunkel ist.
Das nervt mich auch bei der Arbeit um 7:00 aus dem Haus, wenn es noch dunkel ist und um 16:30 dann nach Hause, wenn es schon wieder dunkel ist, das zieht einen echt runter, gerade wen es an jenen Tagen hell ist und noch auf der Arbeit sitzen musst.
Genau, dann war der tag schon wieder so gut wie rum.
We need to start in the dark to get mean and grumpy the whole day.
😂😂
😆😆
You made my day
getting out of school in the dark wouldn't help either. I remember having class till 15.00 some days of the week without a real meal. School cantinas weren't a thing even 10 years ago, because school ended at 13.10 for the lower classes at the latest. Going home in the dark on those days would completely destroy the will to live.
And since we got grumpy enough we can then complain about stupid dialects and skip the line at the new opening checkout! ;)
German is in the title...
Germans: ZUGRIFF!
Timon Claassen stimmt halt schon...
Timon Claassen hippity hoppity... comment section is now our property
@@SkyzzV_ Ah I see, you're a man of culture as well
Lustig
The problem is also, that if the school starts at 9 who would be at home and help the children to get up, most of the people are working already at this time
That's explaining one problem with another problem. The whole point is that nobody should have to leave the house in pitch dark, be it children or their parents. From a health standpoint, people shouldn't start working before 9am either. Besides, if your child has to be at school at 9, they have to leave the house early enough for parents to make it to work at 9 as well.
@@youknowwho9247 Well, with just around 7 to 8 hours of daylight in winter it is hard to imagine that everything, including the way to and from school, can be crammed in those few hours. And that is from sunrise to sunset, if there are clouds it will be dark until an hour or so later anyway.
That said, working times do depend on jobs. Many manual labour jobs start at 6:00 in the morning, some at 7:00, office jobs are usually not with a fixed starting time, but between 7:30 to 9:30 depending on specific circumstances. And of course there are shift workers jobs, those start at pretty much all times around the clock. Today i start my job at 15:30 for example, but won't clock out until 23:15 on the earliest. Next working block i will start working at 5:00 in the morning.
@@Soordhin You either didn't read or didn't understand my comment. Workers shouldn't start before 9am either. There's no reason why a manual laborer needs to start earlier than an office worker, for most of whom 9am is a perfectly acceptable starting hour.
For the special case of shift workers it's rather irrelevant whether school starts at 8 or 9, because they'll start work either way before, or way after that anyway.
Eight hours of daylight work out decently well for a healthy system that accounts for humans' natural, biological rhythm. Get up at dawn, start working at 9am and finish at dusk.
@@youknowwho9247 Oh, i did read your post. And i still think it is wrong. If the workers starts to work after daylight is up, then he ends in darkness and has only darkness in his free time, which both increases the risks of road accidents considerably and decreases happiness even further if your private life has to be lived in constant darkness. Better to start work a few hours earlier and then have a bit of daylight left to play outside with the kids or just do your normal stuff around the house.
We germans do value our work life balance, and a part of that is to have some of your private time in hours of daylight even in winter. Getting up at dawn in germany in winter means getting up around 8:30, then do your morning ablutions, breakfast, drive to work, arrive there around 10:00, work 8 hours, be back at 19:00. With school starting at 8:00 the sun will come up around half an hour later, and the time during daylight at school is actually maximised.
@@Soordhin Science does not support any of what you're saying. Read up on the studies that have been done on the topic. Getting up at dawn considerably improves mental and physical health compared to getting up earlier, whereas getting off work or school one hour earlier has no measurable effects whatsoever. Please also notice that I said "get up at dawn", not "get up at sunrise". With sunrise at 8:30, dawn as in civil twilight starts at about 7:30, meaning it'd be perfectly feasible to start school or work at 9am. Let me also add that here's no more free time in your day if you start school or work earlier, it's just distributed differently. Your day has 24 hours regardless.
Again, this is not an opinion, it's scientific facts. I believe people need to stop trying to find their own conclusions and start listening to the experts on the topic.
About the last one: this actually isn't a rule in Germany - it's the lack of a rule. It's not generally the last people in line that go to the front, but the people who first notice it and take the chance. Often it takes some time for the new register to actually start operating (in many markets they first open the line and then call out for an employee to take it), so if you almost made it to the belt, you might actually be better off just staying in your old line. This of course amplifies the impression of the last people getting to the front.
So yeah, it would be perfectly fair to make it a rule that the person who waitet the longest gets to the front. But somehow this rule wasn't established in Germany and people are generally selfish, so if they see a new line opening, they see the chance to save some of their own time and are happy to take it.
Tobias Berger, same here in the Netherlands.
Absolute lack of decency and common sense. Schlimm finde ich auch Menschen, die ziemlich weit vorne in der Schlage stehen dann ganz heldenhaft jemanden vorlassen ohne zu realisieren, dass sie mal eben für jeden einzelnen der hinter ihnen steht entschieden haben. Ich z.b muss dann damit leben, dass jemand vor mir dran ist obwohl ich länger anstehe. Man kann nur jemanden vorlassen wenn man der letzte in der Schlange ist!
@@schareneikakaschki what are you talking about?
If the first person is letting the second person go first and you are third in line, you are waiting the same eighter way.
I have never seen a person at the very front let someone from the back go first,
the person at back would have to ask all the people in between.
@@Alienking01 thank you, I was afraid I woulf be the only person confused by his complaint xD
Good to see that someone else thinks it's weard and unlogical
@@Alienking01 ich habe das tatsächlich schon gehabt. Ich war der dritte in der Schlange und die Frau vor mir hat jemanden der hinter mir mit einem Artikel stand vorgelassen. Stört mich persönlich auch nicht, da ich mit Warten kein Problem habe. Wenn zb ne neue Kasse öffnet, bleib ich fast immer an der Kasse stehen und Lauf nicht los nur um an der neuen Kasse vielleicht 3 Minuten früher abgefertigt zu werden^^
oh and about "austrians speaking german": if you can understand them then they have not been speaking their local dialect.
Bavarian is pretty similar to Austrian, so I don't have much trouble understanding them. For swiss however, this is very much true. I love listening to german with swiss accent, but if they are talking "regular swiss german" I'm totally lost and don't understand a thing.
Stechus Kaktus This is actually true within Switzerland too! I’m from Zurich and can barely understand people from other cantons. I think “Züridütsch” is one of the easier dialects to understand though.
Some Austrians speak very easy dialects kr an mixture of standard german and dialect. Ppl from Tirol, Vorarlberg or some part at the porders are these ppl you could have meant, but most of the Austrian dialects or really understandable!
@@Jimmy-hc7qw I'm from Vienna and I can understand people from Tirol and Vorarlberg fine... IF they speak slowly enough. If they just rattle on at normal speed I can make out only a few words though.
But there are parts of Germany, where I can't understand what they are saying even if they speak slow. The area around Frankfurt is one such example. I have a friend from there and when he speaks his dialect he might as well speak Klingon. ^^
i recently moved to vienna for university and i noticed that many people at uni don't understand me when i speak my dialect so i simply dropped it
I have never come across anybody that we are getting mean. I think we are just making fun of each others accent which is nothing more than a tease. Never experienced rudeness. 😊
I love to make fun of dialects too, and with the cringey German accents of, say, certain German politicians, but always in a fun and never in a mean way, I have not experienced others being mean for accents either.
Maybe what she percieve as rude is just the German bluntness of remarks?
@@naneneunmalklug4032 Das wird es sein. Wir können ja schon recht derbe sein, wenn wir uns übereinander lustig machen. Das kann man dann als Außenstehender durchaus als "rude" verstehen.
This ,,accent war" is more like a joke. At least for me.
Haha für mich auch
naja also man mag ja jeden her
außer die Franken
nicht mal die Franken mögen die Franken
Außer Bayerisch das ist kein Deutsch
@@e.l.b6435 genau, bayrisch is ganz klar besser als Deutsch ;)
Suki haha eher das Gegenteil.
@@e.l.b6435 Ich kann Schwäbisch nicht leiden. Muß wohl daran liegen, daß ich Badener bin ;-)
Schools start at 8 here in Sweden too. In the winter it's dark when you go to school and dark when you go home.
Well, in Swedish winter this is supposed to be normal, being pitch dark almost all day long... LOL 😅👍
Same in Lithuania
The same as in Germany.....
And I be honest, I loved it as a kid I would even aim to leave for school early, because in my rural area, street lamps would be turned off until 7 in the morning. And when they were still off, you could count stars on your way to elementary school. So much better than counting in class :)
Same in St Petersburg, when I had been living there for three years. But the "White Nights" in summers make up for it.
The school starts so early, because "Der frühe Vögel fängt den Wurm" ;-)
Stimmt schon, aber halt auch nur den Idiot von Wurm der früh aufgestanden ist. 👍
@@florian3482 Gibt es denn Faulenzer in Wurm-Welt?
Der späte Wurm entflieht dem Vogel 😎
Aber: "Vögel, die früh singen, fängt zeitig die Katz’." (oder wahlweise der Habicht, je nach Version des Sprichworts)
Aber die zweite Maus nimmt den Käse.
The Problem with the dialects origins from the fact, that "Deutschland" is a rather new thing. Before the "Deutschen" used to live in an awful lot of different, mostly very tiny states with a lot of rivalry between them.
Check outs: New line -> new game. Simple as that.
Accent shaming: That is a huge topic. You need to know German history. What you know under the term nationalism can be seen on a smaller scale called regionalism. For a German the region comes first, then the nation. You are foremost a Berliner, Hannoveraner, Hamburger, Dresdner, then Sachse, Bayer, Ostdeutscher, before you are a German. As you might know the German nation state is rather young, it formed in 1871, while regional states are much older, so the region is much more important than the greater good of the country, only if you go higher up, Germany comes first before the EU or the world.
As for accent shaming there are two things that you have to be aware of, which is perception and regional pride. Regional pride means your region is better than any other region. Perception means there is a certain standard in your mindset and anybody who doesn't reach it is less, as for accents if you don't speak standard German flawlessly you are perceived as less educated. I don't really know where that comes from, but I would take the bet that it's the school system. The higher your education the more likely you will speak standard German as your standard dialect. If you don't you are more likely to be perceived as less educated. Be aware that dialects aren't teached in school nor encouraged to be spoken, only minority languages are teached.
The thing is a cultural mindset doesn't change quickly, for example we still tell our children to eat everything from the plate. This comes from times of war and starvation, this "tradition/rule" isn't necessary anymore but nonetheless forwarded from generation to generation.
Eating all from the plate is also considered good manners with regards to not produce food waste. If you also fill your plate more than you actually eat it is considered as greed.
While I mostly agree with you there's at least one point about the dialects that should be considered. The dialects in Germany are way more different from each other than many English ones. It has to do with the history of the German language which for centuries has been divided into two main branches, Low German (Northern Germany) and High German (South Germany). A person from Friesland and a person from Bavaria would not understand each other if they were speaking their regional dialects. Sometimes you don't even have to travel far to not understand another dialect. Depending on the history or simply geographic obstacles of a region, the dialects of two nearby towns can be completely different.
Therefore it makes sense to know "standard" German.
On top of that, back in the past dialects had a bad reputation and were not allowed to be spoken in school (not even in private conversations). Even today, I only know of Bavaria actually teaching their dialect in school. But today's teachers are more relaxed when it comes to students speaking dialect.
@@berniem.6965 I gave you 10 out of 10 and would only add a few additional thoughts to your explanation.
With the start of the German Empire, there was a need to have a common language and this need is still reflected in the way we have named the correct orthography (Rechtschreibung). Rules/the law have to be explicit for everyone, so as the German Empire was made up from different regions with different dialects they did now need one language that counts for all and as this one language was only taught in school you did show that you are educated by mastering the so-called "high German" language. Anyone who could not master it was outclassed as less educated. But as the radio did become more and more popular, this kind of separation started to fade away as even an uneducated person could speak "high German" by listening to the way the radio folks did sound and copy it.
With that, the educated class or at least the once of them who needed to be separated from ordinary folks were in need of a new tool to class the others out. And as the most academic things were published in English since World War one was over and most of the international trade contracts were written in English, they picked??? Wait for it, Oxford English, in contrast to the daily English folks from NZ, Australia, North America or even Britain did speak the Oxford English did have it written rules, so you are always able to say if a word or expression is right or wrong regardless of the fact that your counterpart could understand it or not. And this is the case we still face today, look it up at youtube how many vlogs are around that favored the correct pronunciation or mistakes that ??? made in English.
Mr. Schäuble had made the point a few years ago by stating: "that the real world language is ugly English" and as someone who had traveled the world for years to sell my business I could assure you he is absolutely right with that. I have negotiated contracts in Latin America or far east Asia in a language that would drive every English teacher crazy.
In contrast, our German society did have detected that if you loose your regional dialect, you although loose some of your regional heritage and to fight against that we started to save/rescue the reginal dialects. With the most famous version acknowledged by the state of Baden Würtemberg that advertised themself with the line: "We master everything, except high German" literally "Wir können alles außer Hochdeutsch".
@@lotharschepers2240 Baden Württemberg bringt einem mittlerweile Hochdeutsch bei zumindest im Deutschunterricht …allerdings reden nicht mal die Lehrer außerhalb des Unterrichts Hochdeutsch somit lernt man es so gut wie nicht …ich hab das Glück das meine Eltern nicht direkt aus Deutschland kommen und bei mir zu Hause deshalb nur Hochdeutsch gesprochen wurde allerdings muss ich sagen man lernt es nicht in der Schule und auch sonst nirgendwo in Bw 🙄
@@berniem.6965 I think the dialects just within Britain are just as diverse as the ones in the entire German speaking world, if not more so. And then if you weigh in the Englishes of other countries, at the end of the day English is more dialectally diverse.
In Germany it is:
“Wer zuerst kommt malt zuerst”
Mahlt*
@@Hamoa Arbeitest du in ner Mühle oder wie ? xD
@@xXBenutzer235Xx diese "Regel" kommt aus der Zeit, in der alle Bauern zur Mühle gehen mussten, um ihr Getreide mahlen zu lassen. Wer zuerst da war, durfte auch zuerst sein Getreide mahlen.
@@xXBenutzer235Xx du glaubst ernsthaft, dass "malen" mehr Sinn ergibt?
@@zwanzigzwanzig Wirklich ? Wieder was gelernt :D
The accent shaming is mostly just a joke as far as the people I know think. There are accents like the Saxony accent that just doesn't sound nice to a lot of people. Then there are people from Baden jokingly making fun of the swabian accent because there was this stupid feud between the two regions and especially the younger people just make light of that. There is also making fun of accents because you can't understand them but it's all really light hearted and I've also seen that in the UK like people making fun of the Scouse accent because nobody outside of Liverpool can understand it or people making fun of the scottish accent because it's really thick
1. Early school start: The parents are able to bring their children to school and go to work after that on time at 8-9.00 am. If school started later, many parents wouldn't be able to have a job.
2. I don't experience the bad habit of being rude because of verbal dialect. That's not nice and unnecessary. Shouldn't be done!
3. Overtaking in supermarket: I hate this rude behaviour. I always approach those people.
well, overtaking in a supermarket:
there is a saying here: die letzten werden die ersten sein - the last will be the first.
it stands for the situations where every circumstance gets turned around, all cards are shuffled new(and god knows germans experienced that a lot) and you can be the lucky one profiting from that...
try to see the other side of it, you don't always have to wait long even if it's crowded, YOU can be the lucky one. and you don't get shamed for taking this opportunity...
Ich antworte jetzt einfach mal auf Deutsch (ich hoffe das ist auch okey).
Viele Eltern können ihre Kinder auch nicht zur Schule bringen, wenn sie um 8 Uhr startet. Ich arbeite in einem Hort und zu uns kommen an die 8 Kinder morgens vor der Schule und wir schicken dann die Kinder in die Schule (ist bei uns quasi ums Eck).
Our school starts at 7.15 and when you have to drive by bus, it drives at 6.15...😱😱😱😱
The answer to 1 is part of the problem. Parents don't need to take their children to school. Elementary schools are nearly always within walking distance, and after that there are busses and bikes.
good answers mate, especially for 3) I ALWAYS scold those people, loud and if they say something bad, well parents cover your little ones ears; that is just rude, bad manners, absolutely disgusting behaviour, cutting in line in general, passing waiting people, especially; there is on little exception I make; sometimes people ask the other cashiers or an other employee, if it weren't possible to open another register; THAT person and ONLY that person may as well "cut" in line, because it made something happen, all others make my day and get scolded; and when I am in the right mindset, I even hope, they start arguing ;-))
Für mich als Norddeutschen ist es sehr schwer Dialekte aus Österreich oder Bayern zu verstehen, vorallem da wir hier teilweise regional gleiche Wörter verwenden für eine andere Sache, daher ist es erforderlich das beide Seiten Hochdeutsch sprechen (können). Ansonsten macht das die Kommunikation sehr schwierig.
Ich verstehe da nicht mal die Hälfte...
Gleiche Wörter für andere Sachen, ja das Problem kenn ich^^
"Ich hätte gerne 2 Pfannkuchen."
Völlige Verwirrung bei der Verkäuferin also zeig ich drauf.
Sie so "Ach sie meinen Berliner!"
Problem ist, Pfannkuchen sind für alle hier das, was ich als Eierkuchen kenne.
Tim ich lebe in Mitteldeutschland und verstehe gar nichts
@@nerevarchthn6860
So wie ich
Ostbrandenburg
The reasoning goes: If we get up an hour later, we'd still be in a hurry, but 1 hour of our day will be lost.
Most Germans and Austrians prefer to be done with school and work as early as possible, to enjoy the "Feierabend" - late afternoon and evening off work. We do have strong work ethics, but we work to live, we don't live to work.
But... then you'll have to go to sleep one hour earlier, so you've gained nothing
@@Faygris Your comment is that what every year I want to to say the "summertime-fanatics"...
I actually hate having to go to school so early but if school would start later then I would have to stay in school until like 5 or 6 pm so...
Lilly Vetten not really
Lilly Vetten and it would be better because when you work later it will be the same
@@nerevarchthn6860 Maybe but then I would've close to zero time to do my homework, sports or both because I would come out of school in the evenings
Lilly Vetten but you can go to bed later so you don’t lose time
Lilly Vetten and going to bed late and stand up late is more healthy for people between 12-20
I am from Austria, but I can't imagine, that you have to wait 1 hour at a supermarket to pay, even not half an hour. Maybe it feels like this. But I don't think that it is more than 10 minutes
It didn't literally mean I had to wait an hour it was just an example.
Go to Metro (maybe on a busy day) if you want to experience that. It is horrible
@@AntoinetteEmily I still cant comprehend your situation and I am a german .... if you wait in line and a new checkout opens you have to decide if it makes sense to you if you want to go there or not. If you waited longer than others its pretty likely you are very close to the other checkout so you should arrive there before the others do ... and if you didnt realize another checkout opened well then that is your own fault. But no one would ever accept someone actually cutting in line. And i really can not imagine that this works otherwise anywhere else, like who decides who is the first person to go to the other checkout?! Does the second guy in line pack up his stuff from the conveyor belt and demand to be the first one in the other checkout? In my experience it works like this: a new checkout opens and everyone who wants goes to the other checkout and they will stay in roughly the same order as they were before.
Sorry, I am not sooo good in English
@@@fr5161 exactly. I also noticed that those who are very close to their checkout with a full cart see that others have less and let them rush. I also noticed, that people with full carts often offer I pass and go first when I have very few items, and I do the same.
Das „Problem“ bei den verschiedenen Dialekten ist, dass es SEHR schwierig ist jemanden zu verstehen der seinen schwäbischen oder bayrischen Dialekt spricht, wenn man selbst zum Beispiel aus dem Ruhrgebiet kommt. Und das finde ich immer sehr frustrierend wenn man seine eigene Sprache nicht versteht 😂
Glaub mir, andersrum ist das auch nicht einfacher
Willy Wodka das glaube ich!!
Schon mal plattdeutsch gehört das versteht gefüllt niemand
@@samuelhinderer4072 Platt wird heute kaum noch gesprochen. Eine aussterbende Sprache. Leider. Es gibt aber wirklich ganz krasse Dialekte in Süddeutschland die man absolut nicht versteht. Ein Gespräch ist nicht möglich. Das Münchner Bayrisch oder Stuttgarter Schwäbisch is ja ok, aber fahr da mal ein wenig raus, nur 20 - 30km, und Du verstehst nichts mehr.
Natürlich gift dat noch Platt☝🏻
I am studying to become a primary school teacher. And we learned some days ago that school still starts so early even though scientists figured out that it would be better for children to go to school later because of their concentration. This is because the whole system of working people in germany starts so early. So a lot of adults need to bring their children to school early and pick them up later. Otherwise a lot of people would have problems to combine family with the working system. And my lecturer said that that is the big reason for the politics not to change it because it is too complex.
Da gabs auch einige abstimmungen von schülern, ob sie später mit der schule anfangen wollen. Die mehrheit hat für nein gestimmt (nicht pupertierende), da sie sonst nachmittags keine zeit mehr für ihre freunde hätten.
@TheBlackiwid Es ist belegt dass man besser lernt / sich besser konzentrieren kann wenn der Stoff bzw. das Thema regelmäßig (also alle 1 - 2 Stunden) wechselt. Und mehr Hausaufgaben+weniger Unterricht benachteiligt massiv Schüler aus instabileren Haushalten wo die Eltern entweder selbst nicht gebildet genug sind um die Kinder beim Stoff zu unterstützen (ist vor allem bei älteren Schülern) oder bei Haushalten wo die Eltern das Kind nicht zu anleiten, die Hausaufgaben zu machen, bzw. zu lernen (ist ein Problem für kleinere Kinder, zieht sich dann aber durch die komplette Schullaufbahn). Das ist jetzt schon ein großes Problem in Deutschland weil man ohne zu Hause Lernen / Hausaufgaben machen als normaler Schüler kaum in der Schule mitkommt. Dadurch fallen Kinder von Zuwanderern oder aus Hartz IV Familien usw. immer weiter hinter Akademiker- / Mittelschichtkindern her.
@TheBlackiwid Ich weiß nicht, wo du herkommst, aber ich war selbst Mittelschichtkind (Vater bei der Bereitschaftspolizei aber kompletter Rest des Familienumfelds Handwerker und co) und auf dem Gymnasium hatten wir pro Klasse vielleicht 3 - 4 Kinder von Nicht-Akademikern von 30 - 35 Schülern insgesamt. Das ist ca. 15 Jahre her.
Und wenn Arbeitgeber von Grundlagen sprechen, sprechen sie nicht von Kochen und Wäsche waschen sondern von Schülern, die unfähig sind einen zusammenhängenden Satz herauszubringen, einen normalen Text zu lesen oder winzigste Zahlen im Kopf zu überschlagen.
Ich habe Leute im Freundeskreis, die vor 1 - 2 Jahren Abitur gemacht haben und Sachen wie das Louvre nicht kannten oder noch nie von Goethe, Schiller & Co. gehört haben. Berufe wie Bäcker usw. finden keine Auszubildenden weil sie mittlerweile Realschulabschluss verlangen müssen weil der Großteil der Hauptschüler und QA-Absolventen komplett lebensunfähig sind und Realschüler noch das Bild von vor 20 Jahren im Kopf haben, dass man mit Hauptschule ins Handwerk geht, mit Realschule ins Büro und mit Gymi an die Uni.
Ich selbst bin frühzeitig vom Gymi runter und habe Realschulabschluss gemacht und wurde dort von Leuten komisch angeschaut weil ich in der Freizeit gerne mal Bücher lese oder weil ich Geschichtsunterricht interessant fand oder mich an der Ethik-Diskussion beteiligt habe.
Sportunterricht bringt so wie er derzeit existiert überhaupt nichts, weil man in der Regel als Junge 98% der Zeit Fußball spielt und als Mädchen tanzt. Stattdessen sollte man dort über gesunde Ernährung und Sachen wie Ausdauersport, vorbeugende Übungen die man leicht ohne Gerät zu Hause durchführen kann (Yoga, Calisthenics usw.) informiert werden. Dann kann man von mir aus auch gerne die Stundenzahl erhöhen.
Ich habe vor mittlerweile fünf Jahren ein paar Monate lange an einer Hauptschule als Hilfslehrkraft gearbeitet nachmittags (Englisch, Mathe und teilweise Deutsch). Das war quasi als Nachhilfelehrer für das Viertel der Hauptschüler mit den besten Noten, die gerne den QA- oder M-Zweig machen wollten. Wir mussten dort den "GUTEN" Schülern aus der 9. Klasse noch einmal die Grundlagen von Plus und Minus beibringen weil sie nicht in der Lage waren schriftlich oder im Kopf zweistellige Zahlen zu addieren oder subtrahieren. Und es wurden nicht die Leute verarscht, die das nicht auf die Reihe kriegen sondern die zwei oder drei Schüler, die genervt von der unglaublichen Dummheit (und ich meine hier die Einstellung der Schüler und nicht das fehlende Mathematikwissen) waren.
Wenn das das Ergebnis ist, wenn man Schüler zu einen Großteil über Hausaufgaben lernen lässt, sollte man die komplett streichen und die Unterrichtszeit verdoppeln und nicht umgekehrt.
Und was ist es bitte für ein Argument dass man in der Schule nicht aufs TH-camr Sein vorbereitet wird? Weiß du wie viele millionen Accounts es auf TH-cam gibt und wie viele tatsächlich von ihrem Kanal leben können? Das wäre ungefähr so effektiv für die Bevölkerung als würden wir in der öffentlichen Schule Popstar-Kurse geben statt Rechnen und Schreiben.
Parents don't have to take their children to school in Germany. Elementary schools are within walking distance, after that there are busses and bikes.
@Yazmir Deizehn Meine Schule war (sehr zum ärger der Lehrer) eine der letzten, bei der Samstagsunterricht abgeschafft wurde, weil die meisten Schüler es nicht so schlimm fanden, alle zwei Wochen Samstag zur Schule zu kommen und das lieber wollten, als am Nachmittag länger zu bleiben. Also haben wir immer wieder dagegen gestimmt bis die Abschaffung schließlich mit einer sehr knappen Mehrheit durchgedrückt wurde.
I don‘t know if it is just me, but i really like going to school in the dark. 😅 I can‘t really explane it but i think i just like looking at the stars in the morning.
Same. I loved going to school in the dark, too. And if I got to see the sun come out just before school that was so pretty. I felt truly like I had the wjjoke day in front of me.
Same here. A friend of mine always walks with me to school and it's always so relaxing
same and the tiny village I grew up in was still sound asleep when I walked to the bus stop at 6:30 in the morning to make it to school until 7:30. Looking back I don't know how I got up that early every day, now I struggle to stay awake before 9am lol
I feel like it's better that the school starts so early because if it starts a hour later we come home an hour later and don't have so much time for things
I'd say it like this!!
You obviously are a morning Person. A night owl like I am would not agree with you. :-)
@@petrahaslbeck22 im definitely not a morning person
What I find worse is when people put their stuff on the belt even though my cart is still full and I obviously need that room on the belt.
When this once happened to me, I simply shoved the other customer's goods backwards to get the required space - which she clearly did not like, but I did not care.
Then, you should be starting to put stuff at the back of the belt.
Okay... I never had that happen to me in my entire life. Neither in my homecountry of Austria nor when I visited Germany.
@@Norbert_Sattler Ikr? it's so annoying and rude! I saw a lady do that once, not to me but the guy in front of her. And you know what he did? He literally just put his stuff behind hers and bought it all. Hers too. She was kinda angry and it was really really funny to watch as he walked out of the store and the lady tried to complain about him to the cashier.
was born and raised in germany and loved the early start of the school for many reasons, and i guess some of them could explain to you why we have this system:
1. my school theoretically had a socalled frühstunde ie early lesson from seven to 7:45 then a five minute break, and then the socalled erste stunde or first lesson from 7:50 onwards. all lessons were 45 minutes, and i had to go to school on saturadays in addition to mondays to fridays. this meant for my working parents, that we left the breakfasttable and the house at approximately the same time! this is perfect for working parents because otherwise they would have to leave before us! work at their jobs started at similar times as our school, so of course they had to leave equally early. this made it easy for them.
so number one is because at least in my days in my region, work for parents starts at similar times, so parents and children leave the house at the same time.
2. also, this made us get used to leaving at this time for university classes and work later in life as all of them were at similar starting times at least for me in my region, so we got used to getting up this early.
3. this also enabled us to eat together as a family because we all left for school or work at the same time, so we had breakfast together of course.
4. regarding the sunlight, i live in the northern most region of germany, so we have even more darkness here plus lots of clouds all the time, so we are used to darkness, we do not mind at all. ask the norwegians who have months of entire darkness in some regions, they go to school then, too. it made me less afraid of the dark.
5. as someone mentioned already, starting early means finishing early, and that meant no need for a school cafeteria nor school lunches at my schools in my days. so in the lower grades, we only had lessons during the morning, ie finishing ariound 1pm at the latest, so we went home for lunch. we either cooked ourselves or warmed up something my parents had cooked the day before. also, parttime working parents arrive at the same time as the children and can have lunch together as a family.
6. this saved the state a lot of money on building school cafeterias, and it held the school free from annoying smells that would surely have distracted me from learning...
7. most importantly for me personally, this kept the afternoon free for hobbies! i would never have been able to learn and practice musical instruments or learn to dance or attend youth groups or science clubs like the local astronomy and electrical engineering clubs or the choir or even birthday parties if we had had classes all afternoon! such classes and activities cannot and will not be provided by schools and are often the only way of meeting young people from other schools or people of other ages. so they were very important for me. i am glad that school was mainly focussed on the mornings and the afternoons were kept entirely schoolfree for most years and only partly schooloccupied during the final years with still enough time to organize my youthclub meetings or dancing or musical instrument activities or choir sessions around the afternoon lessons.
I'm from Austria and we start school between 7:45 and 8, and I don't agree with almost anything you said ;)
1) Not all people in the german-speaking areas have to work at 8. In fact, it's pretty diverse where I live (Vienna). I don't have to be at work before 9 (but can start earlier if I want to, not that that is the case xD). My parents also worked and never had to be at work before 9 as well. They were pretty annoyed having to get up so early to make us breakfast etc. because we had to leave so early. So no, this does not apply to all parents.
Also: starting school at 7? That's way too early, we don't have that here thank god. It took me almost one hour to get to school, I would have had to leave the house at 6, which would have meant getting up at 5:15 etc, that can't be healthy for anyone.
2) This is a misconception and an old believe that you can get used to getting up early. However, nowadays it's scientifically proven that there are morning, evening and inbetween people. For the latter group, like I am part of, I will never get used to getting up early, even though I had to for most of my life. Read here: www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171114-why-you-shouldnt-try-to-be-a-morning-person
3) Makes sense for your situation! In my case, my sisters and me went to different schools in different cities and we had to leave at different times. Dinner together was way easier to achieve^^
4) agreeing with you on that one. Makes me sad that some people actually want to have "winter time" all year long.
5) Not necessarily. We also had school in the afternoon and sometimes I didn't get home until 5/6 or so. Not in the lower grades of course. Also, some schools provide lunch for kids or have cheap cafeterias.
For working parents it's actually better if the school day lasts longer because then they can stay at work longer without needing to think about who watches their children. In the northern countries this is done better. School in Finland starts between 9 and 9:45, see here: bigthink.com/mike-colagrossi/no-standardized-tests-no-private-schools-no-stress-10-reasons-why-finlands-education-system-in-the-best-in-the-world
6) Usually, not the whole building smells of food when there's a cafeteria in the building ;) We had a cafeteria and noone complained (having doors in the building can help stopping smell to get into classrooms). Also, it was privately operated (they were forced to offer cheap prices, but didn't have to pay rent, so that was a win/win for everybody).
7) Wow, apparently you didn't have that many school hours in one week. I had many and long hours even though school started at 7:45. However, I was still able to do stuff afterwards, as music schools etc don't close at 6pm.
Regional differences play a huge factor here.
Also, what I want to say here (and to many other comments): just because YOU liked getting up early and it fit in YOUR family's schedule, this isn't necessarily the case for everyone or implies others are lazy.
Apart from the fact that science has shown that it is better for most kids to start school later, the problem is of course another one: to make having kids compatible with having a job. The state as an employer is usually more flexible with working hours, like where I work I can start anytime between 7:30 and 9. This should be the case for all companies (wherever possible), so people can work according to their inner clock (which makes them more comfortable & productive) and also of course so they can adjust their schedule to their kids.
Other countries make this work, but in more conservative regions (which many german-speaking areas are) this is still frowned upon. Lastly, I want to make it clear that if you're a morning person, that's obviously fine - just please don't think it's "the norm" or "how it should be" because that's an ancient stereotype.
i never said that it is better for all kids to start early, but it was definitely better for me. i would have had much worse grades at school if i had been forced to go to school later. i am a morning person and so is my mom, so i guess it has a genetic component. i for my part would not have managed with a later school.
also, i would not have managed with school lunches. i have a rare condition that makes it impossible to eat out as i cannot digest most of the food. i am pretty sure that no cafeteria would have been able to cater to my condition. my mother managed to. i was always very sick and in great pain on class journeys when we had to eat at youth hostels because they could not cook anything i could digest. so, a cafeteria is also not ideal for everyone.
regarding working hours. lucky you that you have that flexibility i never had. i worked in different jobs and different employers and never had the luxury of being allowed to start that late. mostly it was somewhere between six and eight a m , definitely always before nine a m, once even before six a m. it may depend on the job, i can imagine, but i never had flexible hours. i heard that working hours are much more flexible in your region, so this might be a regional thing, or even a generational one as i graduated from high school in the nineties, so things might be different for more recent graduates. my working situation has always been bad, maybe things are better for others.
in any case, i am thankful that it was early when i went to school because it was best for my body and for my grades and for my freetime and hobbies. i would never have managed to get good grades if school had started later, and i would have suffered greatly from school lunches, and i would not have been able to do any of my hobbies if school had started later and finished later. i think we had a lot of lessons, really, but mainly crammed into the mornings, including saturdays, so that could keep most afternoons pretty free. i was glad to be able to eat at home , and we had breakfast , lunch and sometimes dinner together. due to meetings my parents had in the evenings and choir practice we childreen had, dinners were rarely possible together. the communal brakfast was very useful for planning the day.
as i said, i am not saying that it is or was good for everyone. i am thankful that it was as early as it was when i went to school, and it helped me a lot. and yes, if you are a morning person like myself, it does make you get used to those hours. i fully acknowledge that if you are not a morning person, you cannot get used to those hours like i could.
i personally think that we should accommodate all people in a truly inclusive society and threfore should have flexible working hours for everyone including children and students. i mean there should be identical lessons for morning and evening persons to make the classes accessible for everyone when they are at their best.
forcing everyone to start later would make people like me suffer. so that is not a good solution either. i understand that you people do not like the early system but i would suffer with the late system. i do not function later in the day, as you do not in the morning. therefore, a flexible system for all would solve the problem. i lived in japan for several years and attended university there. the university had exactly such a system. they offered the classes twice, once for morning persons, once for evening persons. not so much due to personality differences than due to availability because many took the classes in the evening after work or conversely in the morning to work in the evening. that would be a solution that would fit all of us.
at my school we had about sixty pupils per grade, and we were split into two or three classes and had more or less the same lessons at the same times. since we were split into several classes anyway, it would have been possible to spread the identical classes for pupils to choose or to split the groups according to best learning times. the teachers could be split accordingly, i mean morning person teachers for the mornings and later lessons for the later types. thus we would all have learnt at our best times. the school buildings were not used for any other purpose during the day anyway, so splitting the hours would not have posed any problem with the rooms, either.
so, such splitting with flexible time is what i propose for all schools, universities and jobs. for everyone s health, not just yours and not just mine. everyone s.
I think one of the reasons school starts so early is because most people start work at 8 themself?
The kids then usually come home at 12 or 1pm and if a parent works part time they will also be back in time
Also this way kids are home earlier and can enjoy the rest of the day
Esp in winter where there is only few daylight hours
For the supermarket thing
Its just that germans hate to wait?
We don't have time and want to finish things as soon as possible? Sometimes if they open a new counter it gets really messy and people are literally fighting for the good spots
I don't get it makes so much more sense for the people up front to go over first but no the moment they announce a new counter will be opened its like war everyone is getting ready to sprint over and stuff...
Its the same with getting on a bus or the subway during rush hour
People pushing each other out of the doorway just to get in
Ive lived in south korea for over a year and things like this NEVER happened theres a line then you enter in order of the line
Makes sense to me
But here in germany have you ever seen a line at a bus or subway station? Cause in my 36 years I haven't. Everyone is just standing wherever and if the bus comes they all push for the exit.....
German here about School start:
School in Germany is starting so early because it prepares waking up for the working later so it will not be harder later on
Which brings us to the next question: why does work have to start that early in the morning?! It's even worse than school...
@@sanablue well it get worse and worse because you get more shift work jobs where you need on moring shift to be on job at 6:00
also most work starts around 8:00 that you can have a free evening
reasons for early school start: 1. parents have to be at work early, too - who gets the children ready/ who looks after them till school starts? 2. if school starts an hour later, it ends an hour later = ruins their afternoons after homework. 3. winter/dark when leaving house: what should people in sweden do, if it is dark for 20 or more hours a day?
This argument is based on the misconception that there's more free time if you start work/school early and finish early. That's nonsense. The day has 24 hours, no matter which hours you work or sleep. If you start early, you have to go to bed earlier, which cuts into your free time just as much as coming home later.
@@youknowwho9247 if parents work, children have to get up with them, anyway. so who looks after them/what do they do between the parents leaving the house and themselves leaving the house if school starts later? and: ever heard of daylight hours? if you want children not to sit in their rooms in their spare time, you´d rather give them spare time with daylight =long free afternoons, not evenings.
I work at a supermarket and all I have to say about the check-out situation is: It's like war. And in war there are no rules!
Let's say there's a long queue at my colleague's check out. People in the back assume that she/he is going to open a second check out. They even shout from behind: "Kann man mal ne 2. Kasse aufmachen? (Open up a second check out!)" And then "Welche Kasse macht auf? (Which one opens?)" In the second you answer people just grab there stuff and run to the next check out. Imagine 6 people with shopping karts trying to be first in line at the next check out. It's amazing. But the best part is, when I come from the back of the store I even have to fight my way through the "line". People are blocking the way on purpose so nobody can sneak in from behind and even tell people off for trying to go first. Sometimes they start a fight. Funny thing is: when I can't get through the check out won't open anyway. And the best part is when the person first in the new line got the number of the check out wrong and all the people followed like chickens or geese and so are queuing in the wrong place. It's really a huge drama🙈 people start to complain but I can't do anything about it. sometimes I feel like in a sit-com....
oh what a rat race…
That is not quite true. Even in war there are rules, but not in an supermarket queue :-)
Susanne Beier as a Supermarkt employee maybe you can explain something to me. I am British living in Northern Germany, in the UK the cashiers will wait until a customer has finished packing before putting the next customers items through. Here I find that cashiers expect you to pay the minute they have rung everything up, whether you are finished packing or not. Then you must continue packing your last items while the next customers items are already being pushed through. It can get quite messy and the previous customer gets irritated because they feel you are in their way. I understand you are expected your throw your things in the trolley and pack up elsewhere but there usually is not enough space elsewhere and you have to wait there for customers to finish packing so that you can get a space to pack. Why not wait one minute longer until a customer has finished before processing the next customer?
@@SuperPuddingcat good question. I can understand your problem because sometimes I am in the role of a customer too and it annoys me too. The main thing is that most cashiers have to fullfill a quota of how many articles they have to scan in an hour or minute. So tobfullfill their quota they can't wait otherwise they will get in trouble.
Also it's just basic economy: more scanned articles means more money. Especially at discounters that's the case. That's also the reason why the check out desk is so small. It just says to the customer: We have your money so please just go!
Third reason is: when you need longer as a cashier at the check out because you are customer friendly and wait you most certainly will need another colleague to open up a second check out. That means over all you will need more people to work at the shop, that means higher costs for the shop that means higher product prices.
I don't know why this logic doesn't apply to british supermarkets. Maybe because we are very influenced by Aldi and Lidl and their market force is so strong that other chains have to keep up, while the discounter force in Britain isn't so strong yet, but that's the harsh German economical and rational way.
Susanne Beier A very interesting and insightful answer, thank you. Although Aldi and Lidl do not have as large a presence in the UK, there are 5 big supermarkets chains in the U.K. and competition between them is fierce. But instead of pushing customers out the door as quickly as they can, they try to attract customers by prices of course but also by the shopping experience and customer service. I think the attitude in the UK (and also in the US) is that customer service is paramount and so nothing would be done to make customers feel uncomfortable. Also, supermarkets tend to be much larger in the UK than in Germany and there are usually many more check-out aisles and also every store will have self checkout tills so even though more time is taken per customer at checkout, there is still a steady flow.
Actually, the person who waited for the longest time but hasn't put anything on the belt yet is supposed to be first in the new line, as nobody is gonna pick their things up again, it doesn't make sense. You'd basically be cutting the line right in the middle with a new "tip". Some people don't particularly care though, they see a new lane as a complete "reshuffle" so you'll have to be quick on your feet.
The dialects? 80% elitism, 20% old rivalries.
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Das liegt in unserer Natur
The early school thing comes from old prussian times, as our whole school system.
Honestly, the line thing is just people being selfish
I'm English and I lived in Germany for many years. I don't find it unnatural to start school or work at 8:00 a.m. Before I became a Gehaltsempfänger receiving a salary instead of a wage, I had to start work at 7:00 a.m.! So I think it's all about getting schoolchildren used to getting up early, because they're going to have to do that once they've finished their education. The upside is that they have most of the afternoon free. My work day finished at 4:00 p.m. which was brilliant.
Ich finde, wenn ich im Winter früh rausgehe, dann gehört es dazu, dass es dunkel ist. Ich brauch das, damit ich erst richtig in Winter und Weihnachtsstimmung komme xD
Dunkel startet aber schon im Oktober. Da ist noch nicht viel Weihnachtsstimmung. ;-)
Gesundheitstechnisch ist es aber Nachteilhaft
@@szoszk Klar. Es macht ja eig keinen Sinn aus dem Haus zu gehen, wenn es dunkel ist. Der Körper wird nicht wach, weil kein Sonnenlicht da ist. Das wirkt sich auf den Melatoninspiegel aus. Und bewirkt, dass wir im Winter immer so müde sind. (Gilt auch für Nachtschicht-Arbeiter. Das schädigt das Gehirn.)
Aber über diese Seite habe ich in meinem Kommentar oben, nichts erwähnt. Heißt nicht, dass ich dafür bin im Dunkeln rauszugehen. Es gibt aber auch Punkte, die dafür sprechen. Z.B. das man nach der Schule noch voll viel vom Tag hatte und man etwas mit Freunden machen konnte. Oder z.B. dass das Gehirn die höchste Leistungsfähigkeit in den Zeitraum hat (ca 10/11 Uhr) und diese um 12/13 Uhr einen ihrer Tiefpunkte (google mal "Leistungkurve Ablauf" und dann auf Bilder). (ich weiß, es gibt auch Studien, die das mit der Leistung angeblich wiederlegen.)
@@tantoura23 also bei mir war es erst im Dezember so richtig dunkel frühs.
@@chiara-7989 wann diese Punkte sind, kommt stark auf den Menschen an. Morgen Menschen haben zum Beispiel eine Leistungskurve, wo die lokalen Maxima immer tiefer sind über den Tag verteilt. Abend Menschen haben es andersherum, ihre lokalen Maxima sind immer höher über den Tag verteilt, mit der höchsten Leistung abends nicht lange vor dem Einschlafen.
my take on the early school thing:
we kids were expected to go to bed early (after Sandmännchen), so that the adults could enjoy the evening without having to deal with the kids, then in the morning get up early, prepare ourselves for school, while avoiding bathroom conflicts with the parents, who'd get up later. The benefit for us was that we'd get out of school earlier, too, and still have at least a few hours of sunlight left to enjoy our free afternoon outside. Because what good is sunlight to a kid stuck in a classroom?
In short, it's simply the way an outdoorsy, efficiency-minded people with decent night vision does it.
Early school: Germany is about productivity. If you start things early you can get more done in the day. Also it means that the younger children are usually home again at lunch time, which traditionally is 12 o'clock. Now, to understand all this you have to realize that all these things were decided int he 60s and 70s, so when there still was the classic family structure of the male brings in the moneys, the female stays at home and cares for the kids. So you could bring your kid to school, then go shopping or do housework, and make lunch so it is ready when the children return home
It's completely asynchronous to modern day society, but changes in Germany, oh boy, they take ages. "Das haben wir schon immer so gemacht!"
Also, "Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm". The Germans that made those decisions believed that getting up early is healthy and good and will make your day the best there is.
In short: it's arachaic concepts and archaic decisions that persists into the modern age. And any attempt to make them work with today are rejected, because it has always been that way.
I never really thought about our checkouts, but what you said is actually kind of true. It is kind of dumb that the ones that waited the longest don't get to go first, but at the other hand, they usually already have their goods out, and changing checkouts would just be unreasonable. Normally only the ones that don't have their goods out change checkouts and i guess that might seem weird to you, but I don't know any Germans who have a problem with that. We grew up with it, for me personally it's normal.
Nevertheless, there are shops that try to avoid this. The post office where I pick up my parcels uses a rope that fences of the counters so that only one long queue is formed and the people in front switch to the next free counter.
ok, reegarding dialects, there are some underlying problems that cause this meanness about dialects.
1. germany was first united in 1872, which is very late for a modern country. and even then, we were still divided into kind of subcountries, and we are to this day divided into bundesländer, ie. regions that are fairly independent regarding laws and politics within the fedaral republic of germany. it is a bit like the states of the usa. thus, we never really had a long history of being one people or one country. borders changed a lot, so we do not feel so much as one as other nations may.
2. this is aggravated by the fact that after the war, most of us were taught to dismantle any patriotic or nationalist or even traditional feeling towards germany or towards being german. this in turn lead to a kind of very local and very regional patriotism with germans being proud of being bavarians or berliners rather than being german, often even being ashamed of being german but proud being bavarian.
3. the lack of national pride and also bad experiences abroad like i experienced being called a murderer in both the us and the uk as soon as the locals realized that i was from germany and they had antigerman feelings due to the war i never fought in, we germans mostly tend to try not to disclose our german identity when abroad, or at least that is what i am doing. therefore, i put tremendous amounts of hours into trying to eliminate my german accent when speaking english, and so far it has paid off when i am abroad. less hatred is worth the pain of the thousands of hours of studying and working on my accent.
4. historically and culturally, germany is not a monolith but rather diverse with most regions being mentally closer to germany s nearest neighbours than to their fellow germans of other german regions. for example, i am from the very north and feel much closer to the scandinavians than to bavarians. due to the differences in mentality between especially north and south but also other regions, we have often some problems getting along well. for example in my region we only say it once when we make an appointment or fix a time and date for an activitiy, we do not reconfirm it, we just show up on time at the previously agreed time and place. in the south where i studied, this was not at all the case. they did not show up and did not consider it fixed before several repeated confirmations of that time and date, something we would never ever do in my native region! so, i often waited in vain in the south for the car to pick me up and got quite angry with my fellow german nationals for what to my eyes seemed laziness and unreliability. due to such quite considerable differences in mentality , germans often have problems getting along well with germans of other regions and this in turn may cause negative feelings towards people from other regions, and as you identify a german by their local dialect, this negative feeling often transfers to the dialect itself.
5. on top of this, there are also many a prejudice about certain regions. my region for example is industrially underdeveloped, and people from the south often think that we are dumb and tend to call us fischköpfe, fish heads, which is a swear word for me and i feel very insulted when called this word. it is true that income is generally much higher in southern germany than in my region and we are poorer but we are not less intelligent or dumber, i insist but they mostly do not understand. the overpriviledged seem to like to make fun of us underprivileged. no surprise then, when people from my region try to revenge such name calling with other expressions i do not want to repeat here.
6. there is a lot of rivalry between north and south and east and west for state money. we have some kind of system that gives some money from rich regions to poor regions but instead of helping to even out the diffrnces, it causes a lot of envy and negative sentiments. what a shame.
7. unfortunately, people from the east and north especially, but people from discriminated regions alltogether, tend to be discriminated against at work or when we look for a job or even at university because the prejudice that people from the north or east are stupid is still going much too strong. therefore, we try to hide our accent or dialect as much as possible. i was ridiculed at a southern university for speaking standard german instead of the local southern dialect! my parents refrained from talking in northern dialect to me because of fear of discrimination, i was even sent to speaking classes to speak the best standard german, and i am confident that i do, never the less i was almost constantly bullied by classmates and teachers alike at that southern university for not speaking southern german. this is why i would never take even try to get a job in the south. the bullying is unbearable. i do not see as much bullying of souuthern persons in the north, to be honest, probably because we mostly speak standard german anyway and do not place importance on our dialect if we speak it at all.
When a checkout opens, every German cries "CHAAAAARGE!" and starts to attack.
Yes, it's annoying even for me as a German. I mostly stay in line, and more often than not I'm earlier out than one of the 'chargers'. I think it's subliminal training by driving a car, where it's equally aggressive.
We Germans also like to behave like this at bus stops (and subway/tram stations).
Try that in Austria and enjoy the wonderful austrian accent as they exclaim: "Heast Gschissana, hint aunstön!"
Martin Beerbom you mean „Angriff“
@@jensalik You know you've been too long away from home, when reading a sentence like this makes you happy. ^_^
On the topic of school start: it's a big discussion in germany whether it should start later and I too think Scholl should start later.
Your point 3: I am German and I don't like that people are so reckless. You can watch this every day in every supermarket.
Point 2: I live in Palatina. I love the dialect and also other dialects. I find it nice to hear where people are from. So a "Grumbeer" in Palatina is a potatoe. And even if I try to talk Hochdeutsch you will hear that I am from Palatina. No problem for me.
Sorry for my English. I better understand it than I can speak it. Can understand you very good. That's great. Thank you.
I believe she didnt quite understand the difference between a dialect and an accent. I dont care if some Pälzer Bub talks "Hochdeutsch" with an accent but it gets annoying if someone only knows their regional dialect (pretty rare in the younger generation i guess). I grew up in Palatina (altough my parents are from NRW and we only spoke Hochdeutsch) and can therefore kind of understand "Pfälzsich" but when i visit northern Germany for example and someone only speaks "Platt" I literally cant understand them and that is pretty annoying.
#marionheld-gerau Grumbeere sagt man auch in Baden. Na, was sind Sonnewirbele und Gelariwä?
@@mauertal Sonnewirbele, keine Ahnung. Gelariwä sind Karotten. Bitte um Auflösung. Danke 😊
#marionheld-gerau Feldsalat. Bitte.
It's called palatinate not palatine. Jetzt wirst du an die wand gestellt :D
I am German, but I also think school should start a bit later. But I think our whole school system is so outdatet.....
@@AnnaLee33 How will you know I don't have Kids??????
I AM a mother and I go to work. I think for those who have to work early there could be an extra care in the Morning before school starts.
@@AnnaLee33 As I told you, I am from Germany. I was born in a village called Groß-Umstadt and lived in a small town near Frankfurt my whole life. At the moment I live near Freiburg. I cannot imagine how you come to all of these conclusions. I'm not a Mom, I'm not from Germany...... ? ^^
I always liked getting up early for school because with our school day you still have time left to play outside when it's DateTime and bright sunlight
Also, the line thing; seems like a case of "Wer zuerst kommt, mahlt zuerst"
Chilopoda freut sich wie ein Schnitzel Genau so und nicht anders 😂
Yes. If you are the last in the line, and nobody in front moves to the new check out, they either didn't pay attention or chose to stay in their line. It's their choice. The new line doesn't have to be faster. From them announcing the opening of another line, to the casheer arriving with the change to getting the computer ready, could be 1-2 minutes. It's usually faster to stay, if you are third or 4th in line for example.
@@Psi-Storm Hoffentlich malt zuerst
@@mariamann8292 Nein, mahlen ist schon richtig. Das kommt vom Getreide mahlen. Wer früher zuerst vor der Mühle stand, durfte auch zuerst sein Getreide mahlen.
1) When I was at school, we've had a thing called "Nullstunde", a lesson before the first lesson, which started as early as 6:50. Also the regular first lesson started at 7.45, so we've had to be there around 7.30. It was never a big deal for me hence my school was literaly around the corner, but some of my class mates had a 30 minute bus travel to get there.
Studies showed that starting school later is actually better, children can better concentrate and learn more easly then. But it's not going to change because "that's how we've always done it".
2) The more away from you native region you are, the more you're shamed for your accent. I'm from east germany and when I worked in baden-württemberg, fellow workers from there would always mock me for how I pronounce the word "Ich"... which is strange because there's so many things they pronounced "funny" from my point of view (or compared to standard german)... Oh and also I once was at a job interview in Hamburg where at one point the interviewer asked "But do you really want to work here? Because coworkers will for sure make fun of you accent."
3) This actually annoys me a lot, because it's just reckless. No one really cares about how long others had to wait, they just want to get their shopping done as quick as possible. You see that in all aspects of the german grocery checkout process, from people cutting in line when a new checkout opens through the lack of small talk and the cashier scanning the items as fast as if it was an olympic discipline to people beeing annoyed when others need more than 3 seconds to pay...
Oh Gott, die Nullstunde hatte ich schon komplett verdrängt. Das war so furchtbar.
@@AnSe902 Was ist die Nullstunde? Gab's bei uns nicht...
@@UntotesSchaf Na was ich oben erklärt hab: eine Unterrichtsstunde vor der ersten Stunde. Beginn gegen 6.50 Uhr.
@@WSandig Das habe ich eben so nicht verstanden. Was wurde denn in der Stunde unterrichtet? Irgendwas außerhalb des normalen Unterrichtsstoffes? Entschuldige, wenn Dir die Frage dämlich vorkommt, ich habe nur noch nie davon gehört.
Hatten wir auch, begann aber um 7:30 (normaler start war 8:15).
Die Kinder sollen sich früh an das Arbeitssklaventum gewöhnen. Denn "Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm" oder die "Faulen werden am Abend fleissig"..
Ja aber die meisten Arbeitstage beginnen nicht um 7:30
YOU_CANT_HIT_US ESL meiner hat in der Ausbildung um 7 begonnen 🙃
Also wenn du dich als "Arbeitssklave" siehst, hast du anscheinend ein sehr miserables Leben. Ich liebe meinen Job und gehe sehr gerne zur Arbeit, auch wenn ich um 6 Uhr anfange und um 4:30 Uhr aufstehen muss. Ich bin definitiv kein Sklave.
Der frühe wurm ist für den Vogel 😉
@@AHeike-sp2eq ..da hatte die Erziehung wohl vollen Erfolg!
getting up at six or after six seems very late to me. i mean we had breakfast at 6:25 in my family , and no food if you were late! so, of course we had to get up earlier. i got up much earlier and for several years even fit in an hour of organ practice at the local church plus a 1km run at the local athletics ground before even having breakfast!
in the years i did not do those activities before brakfast and school, i did homework during at least one hour before breakfast.
i later had jobs that started at 6am,
my univesity had some classes that started around 7am,
so it all felt normal to me.
i still wake up early , and the morning hours are my most productive.
I live in Austria and school also starts at 8 o'clock. From where I come (Romania) it's the same thing. Being used with this sistem, I never thought of this, but actually it's good, because they are so many people who must go at work and if school will start later would be difficult for them. And kids must be prepared for the adults life, that implies also to wake up early in the morning and have a schedule.
Brit living in Germany here, yes supermarket etiquette or rather the lack of it is really crazy in Germany. For us Brits too, the last people in the queue will be the ones that move to the newly opened till. The first few people at the beginning of the queue will stay where they are. Here they all run like a heard of elephants to the new till! Whats also strange at supermarkets is that the cashiers expect you to pay before you have finished packing your items. So you pay and then they immediately start checking the next customers items through even though your items are still lying there. Then the customer behind you starts packing up their things while you are still packing and it gets really messy. (and the next customer keeps giving you angry looks because your last 10 items are still lying there) In the UK cashiers will wait till the customer has finished before putting the next customers items through. And if you throw all your items back into the shopping trolley in order to pack up elsewhere, there is never enough space elsewhere as loads of other people are already at the few tables there are, and you end up waiting anyway. Can someone tell me what the point of this is? Why not wait 1 Minute longer at the till while the previous customer finishes packing? Also, in the UK there are express checkouts for 10 items or less or self checkouts. This way people with small amounts f goods can be processed quickly. I have never seen an express checkout till here and although some larger supermarkets have self checkouts, it’s not that common. For me it doesn’t make sense as germans are usually all about efficiency.
I'm really surprised about the accent-shaming thing - almost never experienced that here in germany
I often hang out online with Germans from different regions and there's a lot of jokes and jabbs at each other's accent. While it's all done in good humour it can appear hostile to someone only taking a quick peek (or rather listen). Maybe it's that.
I experienced as a 6 year old frin Bavarian Swabia. I hab a very string dialect but in school every other kids spoke Hochdeutsch or at least what they believed to be Hochdeutsch. Nowadays Bavarian is somehow accepted but just that standard Munich Semibavarian, but Bavaria has alemannic dialects as well.
on dialects: first of all there is a huge difference between an accent and a dialect and we have both in germany an accent is why even someone speaking high german from hamburg will sound different than someone from Hannover. Dialects, on the other hand, are own languages.
I grew up with my grandparents, in the Pfalz, so as a child I learned pälzer Platt which is a dialect from that region, to be exact I did learn the variant that was spoken in that particular village, just a village over they would have a slightly different dialect, and three villages away I'd have a hard time understanding people.
Lucky for me I went to school in northern germany, where then I could learn a pretty standard high german, which is our official language AND what we teach children in school (in fact children who are raised with a full-on dialect have a disadvantage in school, speaking from experience).
My father then had a girlfriend who didn't speak our dialect, however, when my grandparents visited we'd automatically fall into dialect - well apart from my fathers girlfriend, who at those gatherings, usually sat on the side, unable to understand, excluded by dialect.
And that's the issue with dialects: people who speak full on dialect raise their tradition, and their small home-place over the ability to communicate and form a community, they create an exclusion bar for everyone whos not from their area right there. Some do it on purpose, others simply because they neglect the education they got in school. In the end, both good reasons to be ashamed.
Yeah we might make fun of accents but dialects are the real annoying part. I remember getting into a taxi in Ostfriesland and the guy only spoke Platt. During the entire 20 minute drive he kept talking and I was sitting there nodding and not understanding a single word he was saying.
Starting school a 7:50 or 8 am is really dragging, but when I was a student, I'd rather have it that way and then get out of school between 1 and 2 pm, than starting later and going home at 4 or 5, to be honest. And I guess they decided to start school that early, because most parents have to be at work at 8am, too.
I wouldn't say it's not natural to start your day in the dark, it's just something you have to get used to.
Exactly!
Well, my english is not the best but i try to explain that last point:
When someone already waited for an hour in the supermarket, without giving up in the line, he probably has the time to wait another hour.
I don't.
Grüße.
They first made these times for school so it fits with "normal" work time. Like this, parents can bring their kids to school or to the bus before going to work. That's the thought behind it, but I don't think it worls out.
The sad logic behind the last thing is pure egoism. It's like every german has the feeling, he would be treated worse than others and must fight for every bit of quality in life. Just watch german car traffic. As soon as a german is driving a car he feels like he has no time at all and must get to his goal asap.
To the 'accent shaming': i think that most people that do this to other germans are just thinking that that person that has the strong accent just hasn't been speaking enough english (since when they speak it enough the accent kind of dissapears) or doesn't put any effort in to sound english or 'understandable' (in our minds)… especially with our german 'hard work'-mentality it's just a mystery to us when someone just doesn't put in the effort in to something that wouldn't be a problem if we ourselves had to do it…
To the 'line-rule': that isn't a rule, its just 'first come first served' so you have to be quick because if you arent quick, you arent the one getting first served… and most people don't care about being 'decent' and letting someone else in front first because as another commenter pointed out, they are too selfish. I also often adopt that and am too selfish… but thats because i havent seen many people being decent, just the opposite and in a world where the 'fittest survive' i dont see the point in me doing the first move since the other people are most likely not to do the same or just abuse that kindness… Don't get me wrong, i do often let someone else go first but that does not make me not selfish…
Honestly I've seen the new line opening thing where people at the back of the line go first a lot in NZ too.
I think it's just a case of whoever sees the line first can go, sort of like first come first serve. Doesn't seem that right to me but I guess that's the mentality
We do this all the time in England, but only in Aldi or Lidl supermarkets. The main supermarkets (Tesco etc) hardly ever open a new till, so the issue doesn't arise.
We do this in my country as well. I have no idea why it should be considered rude or illogical. New line = new game.
You aren't necessarily served earlier in a new line. I really don't have to patience to wait until the people in front of me have finally decided where they want to go.
@@marie-andreebourgeois3335 This has nothing to do with who is stronger. If there's only one line, the person who arrives first will be also served first. I think even you don't dispute that. Why is it then so hard to understand that the same rule applies to any newly opened line - whoever arrives in that particular line first will be served first? It may be a person who has been standing at the end of the first line, or it may be someone completely new. Each line is independent, and the fact that someone has been standing in line A for a while doesn't entitle him to get a better spot in new line B.
What if there were three lines and then a fourth opened? Who would be supposed to go first - people in line A, line B or line C? Is someone keeping tabs on whether people in line A waited longer than people in line C?
And what about new people who have just arrived and are deciding which line they should join? Maybe line C is shorter than lines A and B because people in line C have fewer items and so it goes quicker. Of course new people would prefer to join the shortest line. But by your logic they wouldn't be allowed to do that because people in the other lines have waited longer, and so anyone new who would choose the shorter line would have an "unfair" advantage over them. This just sounds like overly complicated nonsense to me.
I hate it so much that our school starts so early... I don‘t understand it and I hate it since I was a kid. In winter you start school when it‘s dark and it‘s over when it‘s dark again. Just depressing
My school always started at 7.30 ... I'm not a morning person at all!!
wish the dialects: I'm from bavaria and don't actuslly accent shame anyone but I know what you are talking about 😂
and omg your last pint is sooooo true!! It makes me so angry sometimes!!!!
I lived in Cologne for 10 years and when I visited people in Berlin (West), their friends commented, "Ah, so you're from Cologne, aren't you?" They were gobsmacked when I replied "No, actually I'm from England!"
I just wanted to say how refreshing it is to see your perspective on Germans! And judging by many of the comments here, many of your subscribers are German like me, and your kindness brings out the best in us as well -- even a sense of humor and self-irony! ;) I thought your accent-shaming comment was fascinating. Of course it's mostly good fun, but there is research about how some accents/dialects are perceived as more or less positive or negative or made fun of more. Saxonian for example is one that has a tough stand, although many intellectuals from the past were from Saxony. Friedrich Nietzsche for example apparently had a really strong accent from Sachsen-Anhalt, which I find fascinating to imagine. I am also very interested in the part about shaming German accents in English, that is so true! Deep in my heart of hearts I find the German accent in English horrifying and have such a strong urge to shame it! :D If it wasn't so unkind I would be shaming it all the time! But I love the fact that non-Germans don't mind it or even like it .... I wonder why that is, maybe it's some deeply instilled self-hatred ...
As a German Girl living in America I just realized how rude germans are compared to Americans.
People in America open doors for you, say thank you and ask how you are, while in Germany people run right before the door shuts.
So if there is a new queue people are just being super selfish.
That’s actually not how it works since I know that Bc I have worked at a store as well. There is no such a rule. People just do that and we are used to the selfish way of thinking.
I wished I was In America xD i'm German too and it's pretty hard for me here the other Countrys seem so easy like in School and In Germany we have Hauptschule,Realschule and Gymnasium and it's pretty unfair when you were not going to a Gymnasium you can't have any important Jobs and that's pretty odd
I often see people holding doors open and I've always been thaught to say "thank you" so I don't really see that rudeness.
Americans are fake and Germans are realistic (you should know that). Here is more about what do you prefer? A beautiful lie or the truth?
Born and raised in Germany, so I try to explain the reason behind this, even if I think you are right on all of this topics:
School starts that early: in the past, most workers (meaning mostly men) were starting their daily job between 7 and 8. Women at that time were doing the housework (the “good” ones) at that time without having anyone at home. Also they were doing the grocery shopping and preparing the meal. Most schools end around 13 o’clock and it was time for lunch at that time, which was seen as the most important meal of the day. So school was integrated into the working process of the average worker. Today i would say that this hasn’t any meaning anymore. Both parents could be in a job at absolutely different times, so it would be more logical to put the timetables in a more natural way of living. It’s still a part of the patriarchy system Germany got in the 50’s.
I have no explanation for the second part with the dialect thing. But I tell you a secret: even high German was nothing more than a dialect, which was made to the standard German. I don’t know who, but at sometime in the 19th century someone only decided that the Hanover-dialect is the purest German. Before that time, there were many little states in nowadays Germany. I’ve got no clue why people see dialects as a bad thing and why there are insults at your daughter. I remember that video. The only thing I saw was that she was supercritical with your pronunciation and that was somehow funny. I don’t mind it, she is just a little girl and she don’t have to get it that there are so many different dialects. It’s just cute to watch...
I have a short answer for the third topic: a new line is open, grab your stuff and run. Personally I like the one-queue-system. You have one line before all the counters and when one is available the first in line get it. I see it more often in electronic markets here in Germany, but I don’t know if this works for grocery stores. In Germany when a counter opens for most Germans it’s a new line that has to be build up new, which seems really unfair to me.
Something different which confuses me in my own country: I have learned as a child to let people out of any vehicle of the public transportation (busses, trams, trains) and after everybody’s off then go in. This rule seems to be forgotten, it’s like a big chaos. The people are more about them selfs when you look at this and the grocery shop problem with the new opened counter at the checkout.
regarding supermarket checkouts and the situation you describe, i understand your frustration. to be honest, i have experienced it in my region rather like this: the supermarket checkout lane has a roped off or even stealed off front and a loose open end. i mean the first x people stand in a very rigid line that is closed on either side by steal barriers, so they physically cannot move out of that line to another line. also, they usually have alreay put their shopping onto the conveyer belt, so they cannot pick it up easily to change lane anyway. at the end of this fencedoff front part of the queue, the supermarket lane often opens up to a wider field. those who wait with their trolleys here, are able to change lanes much easier than those waiting at the front. so, what i have been whitnessing is that mostly those in that open area will make a dash towards any newly opening lane. often the first person in the open area being the closest to the newly opening lane and therefore the first to be served there. so, basically, the tail of the queue moves to the newly opened checkout without changing order, i mean person x plus one will be the first to be served etc.
however, in supermarkets where the lanes are quite difficult to break free from , almost the entire lane might be in a gridlock and unable to move towards the newly opened checkout. so in such a situation, it might be only the last trolley that is even able to move. so, that will be the trolley to go for the newly opened checkout. only then, the secondlast trolley becomes able to break free backwards from the lane and follow into the newly opened line.
this is the practical explanation.
there is, however, also a psychological or moral explanation i have heard and been taught as a child although i do not know if this mentality is limited to my family or my region or not. this reasoning goes as follows: once you have committed to a checkout line, you do not change! under this type of ethics, i am not allowed to move over to a newly opening line at all. thus, only newly arriving carts can move to the newly opened checkout line. this newly arriving cart may seem to look like the latest arrival in the existing queue but to someone adhering to this type of ethics it may be the not yet committed shopper who is still free to choose a lane. as soon as a lane is chosen, you stick with it to the end. i know a number of people who adhere to this principle. the majority of younger people, however, seem to go by practicality, it seems to me, so it is more about getting through to that new lane than about an unwritten rule. i witnessed even races between customers from the open field to get to a newly opening checkout earlier than others . so that looks more like get there as fast as you can, than like a rule or principle.
edit: in the north where i live, we do not adhere that much to such rules, we are more practical about these things, i think. southern germany seems to me much more strictly governed by such unwritten rules. so this supermarket thing might be different and more of a rule in the south than in the north. when i lived in the south for several years, i was very much annoyed about all kinds of unwritten rules that were thrown at me that i did not know from the north. i felt much more restricted in the south and felt that the rules did not make sense. to me it seems less strict and less authoritarian in the north and more pragmatic. but, well, some southerner may feel the opposite.
Austrian here. The only "rule" regarding priority at supermarket checkouts we have is that people with only a handful of items may sometimes skip people with a full cart. Most of the time, a cashier will ring for a co-worker to come and open up a new checkout, and they'll tell you which one it'll be. Chances are it'll take so long for the other cashier to arrive that it would have been faster if you'd stayed in your old queue.
While it is certianly nice to start school later, I'v had school days last up unti 6 in the evening.
Also, Austrian German is a Bavarian dialect - we understand Bavarians perfectly fine, but there can be communication issues with other Germans, as we use different words - similar to the differences between BE and AE.
You are always a breath of “frische Luft” with your videos. LOL.
I’m an American. Where I live, public schools start at 7:30 AM. I started school at 8:30 but that was also 30 years ago when I was in primary school.
The "early birds" make the schedules, the "night owls" are deemed lazy or weak if they can't go against their body's rhythm.
The accents and dialects show a person's home area, dividing "us" vs. "them", and it's been a long tradition of teasing each other and to over-accentuate dialects to create a comedic effect (search for Tegtmeier on TH-cam for examples of the Ruhrpott dialect).
haha, the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. there is a saying for everything^^
Jens Goerke well if it’s still dark you could still consider it night time.
Also chill about that night owl thing your sleep rhythm can actually be adjusted
Why starts school so early: because of Prussian tradition. It's a kind of "Prussians have to be eager, strong and early awake so they can attack the Austrians..." or something like that. Yes, it sounds stupid but a lot of educational things go back to Prussian tradition, which grew from military standards. After all, it was Prussian King Friedrich II. who introduced compulsory schooling in Germany.
If you are a night person, like I am, you always have problems justifying yourself; people who are long awake and get up late are often seen as lazy in Germany, despite what science says.
The dialect thing is just a thing of "we are better than them" and historical hostility between the different regions; before 1871, there was no real Germany but dozens of little princedoms (Fürstentümer), who fought war against each other, often due to international conflicts with Sweden, France (Napoleon...), Russia and so on, who tried to get some of the princedoms on their side.
Then, some dialects sound like somebody was stupid because some dialects are very slow spoken while others (like in Mannheim were I come from) are very fast. So a Saxon or a Bavarian, who talk rather slow, sound to them like they've had some serious brain surgery :D (OK, this ist not serious now...but there's something to it), and after all: for most people here, it's also just fun and games ;-) And the rest are idiots^^
Waiting on a checkout is war in Germany. It always was. For the Germans, rules are important. Written rules. For checkouts, there are no written rules. Skip logic.
/Alex
And us Austrians also prefer to be up very early, just in case the Prussians are coming for us! :-)
@@angelikaeder6391 :-D
@@angelikaeder6391 Hahah ^^ Nah, I think it has more to do with Maria Theresia borrowing a guy from Friedrich III. so he could overhaul her educational system.
Concerning the 3rd point: it‘s not necessarily the last person in the first queue who comes first in the second one. It is actually the one being the fastest who‘s first in the new queue. Somehow like „survival of the fittest“ 😂
😂 mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit ist er auch noch der schnellste 😂
When my friends and I go to Helvetica for cross country skiing, we always go to the French speaking part, because we just can't understand Schwyzerdütsch. On the other hand when I cross the border here (I'm Dutch) I can speak in Lower Saxon to Germans and we understand each other with no trouble.
For the school start I don’t understand this but the history of this is.
In the ‘Weimarer Republic’ it was created idk why, but it’s terrible.
Another thing about German supermarkets that was hard for me is how FAST everything goes. The checkers scan so fast and the items come too fast to put in your bags in an organized way. Then if you pay with cash and the checker gives you change, there is no time to put it in your wallet because you have to make way for the next customer and his or her items. I would often walk away with my change in my hand and have to find an out-of-the-way spot where I could get myself organized. Here in America we have to wait much longer, but when you finally reach the cashier, you are not rushed on your way either. You have time to put all your cards and cash away, load your cart the way you like, even chat a little, and move away at your own pace.
Das geht nach dem Prinzip:
1, 2 oder 3 - Letzte Chance vorbei
Und: neues Spiel, neues Glück 🍀 😁🤗
Ad Schoolstart: same thing in Austria: my primary school started even at 7:30 and grammar school at 8:00. I also believe it has originally something to do with the fact, that in prior times children had to help their parents in the afternoon in the fields, when it was still daylight. So the „early bird thinking“ and the fact that jobs of the parents also start early and the advantage of a „free afternoon“ are probably the main reasons. However, I totally understand your point and getting up this early was also always a pain for me. There is even a scientific proof that this early start is everything but ideal for children and their metabolism - but it seems to be impossible to change, as our society works like this.
As for the „check-out war“-mess: some electronic shops in Austria (eg Saturn) have changed to one single long check-out queue, which opens up to 3 or more check out desks only at the and - just like on an airport, which prevents the situations that you describe. Same for the self-check-out queue in Merkur (Rewe Supermarket chain) as well as in IKEA. It only seems that with the check-out carts in a supermarket the „single queue concept“ its harder to implement as it would use up too much space. But this „survival of the fittest mentality“is clearly a German (and unfortunately also Austrian „heritage“), whereas the „fairness for whom has been there first“ seems to be a more anglo-saxon concept that Germans do not seem to have in their DNA. (Simply warch people getting on a bus or the train...)
Frankonian ist a very nice German dialect. I like to hear that very much.
And i am from the north.
School starting time in the UK varies from school to school, it’s usually between 8am and 8:45. An 8am start is not really unusual. I believe in the USA school can even start as early as 7:45 am.
My opinion: school and work both start too early in Germany. My brain only starts to work at 10am. 😶 Before that I'm closer to a zombie than to a human. My work now starts at 8.30. That's later than usual but still very early.
1. I think making fun of each others accent/dialect is also more like teasing, it's not like we really dislike a person just for that reason. Maybe the German way of teasing seems a bit more mean/serious because we are as direct with the teasing as we are with anything else.
2. When a second line opens up, usually the people that can reach it first will go there. It is just the most efficient way to fill both lines as quickly as possible. It would be chaotic if people would start to re-organize the entire line just to get the person that waited a few minutes longer to that first position. In general you shouldn't have to wait longer than a few minutes anywhere anyways so people generally don't mind it anyways.
my dialect theory:
We make fun of others spekaing their dialect because they shouldnt do that. -hear me out!
As you mentioned there are a lot of em. And it is seen as standard to speak high german when you encounter someone else. There are dialects which are very hard to understand. like "platt" or some heavy bavarian stuff. So its considered a matter of respect and common sense to switch to high german when there are ppl from other regions/dialects around. So everyone understands everyone.
If someone doesnt do that (or isnt capable, like a lot of bavarian and especially austrians) thats (seen as) a rude thing and gives "permission" to let them know dialect isnt the best thing at the moment.
Apart from that theory, I d say people make fun about differences all the time. In germany we have the dialect aspect, so there r also a ot of possibilities to pick that up.
But basically my theory matches the "first impression" germans make on foreigners. We arent that chatty or close to someone new. So if you want to gain "permission" to speak ya dialect around me -first become a friend of mine. Other than that -keep your gibberish to youself and speak high german ;P
cant be bothered with a random persons rudeness to force me to try to undertsand what the hell he wants. its the duty of the sender of a message to make sure everyone gets it.
Thank you so much for advocating for accent tolerance! And finding the Austrian accents cool!
Yes, there is no need for shaming someone for the way they speak, especially with all the immigration, which has expanded the types of accents dramatically.
And I could not agree more on starting school a bit later and the jump-the-line routines of some people when a new checkout opens.
Omg!! That checkout thing bothers me so much as well!! 😂😂 I did not notice how unfair this is until I moved to Barcelona where you always change to the new checkout in the same order the line was before. So the person who was waiting the longest is the first to pass to the new checkout. Anything else is just not fair and not nice at all in my opinion. 🙄😁
the way schooldays in germany are structured is the outcome of many decades of changing "science" about what is best for the economy and the state, etc.
it started with full day schools in prussia with about 32 full hours per week, generous breaks between the lessons and 3 full hours lunch break. then science back then discovered that teaching after noon is less effective, so lunch break was terminated and school was only held before noon. but since lessons had to be the same substantially, full hours became three-quarter lessons, breaks were shortened and school had to start early not to reach noon, it's like that since 1911
“ScHoOl StArTs So EaRlY” *starts at 8 AM - luxembourg be like: *class starts at 7:30AM*
The school I went to in Germany would start at 7:35 am. It depends on the "Bundesland", so in Bavaria where they live school starts at 8am.
Laura Sieben luxembourg is a whole country tho
@@brinova5210 I know :D I meant so say, that not all germans start school at 8 am and some start with you in luxembourg ^^
For me, school starts 7:15. I really hate it XD but school is out at 12:20 or 13:30 so thats neat
The rule at the queue in the supermarket is relatively easy. If you have been waiting for 20 minutes and now e.g. with only three people standing in front of you, it makes no real sense to change the cash register, as the time saved is negligible. So you just stay in line. If you are in the back third of the queue, there are no clear rules on how to behave. It is up to you whether you want to change the cash register quickly or simply stay in the queue.
I don't understand either why I need to be at school at 8 o clock, my brain is still sleeping at that time...
Ok, in Serbia school also starts at 7:30, 8:00. During the winter if you go so early in the school when you finish your shift you can go and play by the day, and then do homework when night fall down. If you go in school at 9:00 you will go home by night... If children must go in school in two shift then you can not do differently. I went in school in 7:00, my classes started at 7:30 and ended at 13:00. If I was 2nd shift my classes would started at 13:30 and finished around 19:30. Also, if children go so early in the school, and parents work first shift everything is ended by 15:00. Then you have enough time to spend with your family, around 6-7 hours if you go in bed around 21:00. If you and your child have obligation from 9 to 17 then you have at most 4 hours every day for family. You do not have family lunch, you must choose between your child, husband or housework. I personally love to start my day at 17:00 but it is not so piratical.
About the supermarket:
I think it works in this way:
When you want to pay in a supermarket you chose the shortest line. Everyone does. You are stupid to take the longest one. And when a new counter opens, there is a surprisingly short line. Now, there is little difference between newly arriving and take the shortest line or already standing in a long line for half a minute. You don’t lose your rights when you have waited for half a minute so you can switch to a shorter line at any moment, having been waiting or not having been waiting. It is your God.given right to opt for the shortest line. You simply don’t calculate how long some other people will be standing there waiting. That is of their business. Besides, if they are quick enough, they can be the first ones in the new line as well.
I absolutely agree with you about German schools starting too early. For me it also feels like getting up and leaving the house in the middle of the night. It is so unnatural! 😅
I dont get it, when school starts at 9 in New Zealand, does work start even later then? Do people work until really late in the evening then?
nah they are just way more into gender roles with one parent not having to work - most of the time the mom.
i also wonder if she ever worked... millions of people get up at 3-4 so they can start their shift at 6 in the morning.. her world seems to be made out of comfy 9 to 5 jobs only
crappiefisher13 wow, medieval times 😀
@@tinajack444 Nothing wrong with women who don't work if that's their choice. Far worse to have to work and hate your job.
greenknitter it‘s their choice when they are married and the husband brings in the money. They depend on their husbands. Like back in the day.
@@tinajack444 Some women want to bring up their kids full time and if they and their husband or partner are fine with that what's the problem? we live in countries here in Europe with welfare states that would take care of a woman if she needed financial support to do so, so no, not like back in the day when there was no financial support net there.
Regarding school start: It is an unfortunate habbit in Germany that everything starts early. A "9 to 5" job in Germany usually statrts at 7.30 or 8.00 h. Me being an "owl" starting my work at the latest possible time cannot really understand why. As there are scientific results that a later school start would be better, there are discussions to have school starting later.
Regarding the queue thing: There is only one rule in a supermarket queue when a new line opens up: First come first serve - the one who gets there first will start the new line. And frankly, I did not think about this until now. For me it was simply the way it was since I was a child. I never came to mind that there may be other ways to queue. I think it is just the German way of queueing while all English speaking countries have the British queue influence.
3: totally true, I find this so confusing (rude) - and I am German 🤷🏻♀️
I also lived abroad in Spain and Sweden for studies and I have only ever seen this (rude) behaviour in Germany...
Especially the Spanish are so very polite when it comes to "who goes first when a new cashier opens" and do not try to get ahead of you -> sounds like a total contradiction to any stereotype out there, right 🤣
Line checkout: So in US, it depends on the people. There's no social rule, but in most grocery or dollar stores, people with the least wait usually hop over to a new checkout because they are closer to the entrance for that new checkout. If there's no separator between cash registers, like at Lowes (tools/lumber/etc) then it just depends on where you are. In the south, people tend to be more considerate and think the person next in line should go because they've waited the longest and they were still next. If someone is elderly, it is more likely people will let them go into the new line.
If a german speak english with a german accent and he also talks like that in school, you get blamed for it and also you’re like: why can’t he spell „The“
Did you know that many businesses and shops in Germany start working at seven in the morning already? But you're right, starting your day in the dark feels wrong. I fully agree, even as someone who grew up with dark boreal winters and only knows it like that. German winters are a challenge, but there are also sides about the winters here, especially in the southern parts of Germany which I would not want to miss. My advice is, get as much sun as possible, try to leave the house as soon as the sun shows up or find a sunny spot. Even a few minutes of sunshine in your face out in the cold can help a bit to fight winter depression. But: "Es geht alles vorüber, es geht alles vorbei, nach jedem Dezember kommt wieder ein Mai" 🙂
I always hated it that school starts so early. My kids have to get up at 6 o clock. And I think that it's way too early!!
Always ask the cashier what’s the best day and times to shop. Plan ahead, avoid crowded times. (This tip is essential in Berlin, don’t remember how necessary it would be elsewhere)
Also: if you are not trained in ‚Rushing your groceries in the bags‘ and get a little flustered (my american family has their problems) always put your most exotic/rare fruits and vegetables at the end of the line, loose no plastic bag, let them roll around a little, it slows down the cashier significantly, giving you comfortable extra time to pack your things neatly rather than rushed.
"Being mean" about other dialects is usually meant playfully, at least that is my experience.
/amen .. it's so funny that she calls it "all in good fun", when mentioning that new zealanders and australians mock each other, because of their accent, but somehow it has to be mean when germans do it among themselves.. weird perception
Agreed. My best friend is bavarian and I‘m from Ruhrgebiet aka. Asi-Deutsch. We make fun of each other all the time. And this is the usual case because some words are just funny for someone else. But I‘ve never met someone who was really mean. I get a lot of shit because of the way I talk. Of we would be really upset the we would switch to high german.
Agreed, just think of the Nockherberg "derblecken" and the Büttenreden at Fashing....the Politicians that are being mocked usually sit in the audience, the camera captures them, when they get targeted, but they're expected to laugh with the others about themselves.
Germans are pretty much still Prussians ... so yeah, things like school start early. Add to that, that our bureaucracy is really slow. The science is already in saying that starting school so early is not a good idea. But getting changes implemented will still take ages.
Being mean about accents maybe stems from the time when there was no Germany yet but many little states and principalities etc. You would naturally make fun of your enemies.
New check-out, new queue, whoever is first is first. :D