She’s the stereotypical mage type characters in movies. Nerfed with low speed just for being “magical” and to allow the boring melee characters in the movies shine brighter 😆
Having played her in Zhongli's trial, she absolutely needs that level of shield to be viable. Else, she is way too clunky, slow, and runs out of stamina too easily.
The thing is that Mihoyo tends to waste constellations on design problems. Lisa could have a much better const. if her elemental skill was a little faster, this way she wouldn't need a shield to protect her while she's charging to attack.
Another thing: her high stamina waste is probably because she is pictured as lazy. Still, when we put it side to side with gameplay issues it brings, this characterization just isn't worth it.
@@heitorramos2671 Not really wasting constellations. They were designed to make people want to pull more for quality of life rather than strictly DPS (as the latter leads to power creep). I've heard it described as they're looking to sell you a fix to a problem that they intentionally created.
I disagree. I contributed some of the footage for the video (I played the Lisa EC comp in Spiral Abyss and Maguu Kenki and Signora) and I would like to say that as long as you have Xingqiu she will be fine. His rain swords have some properties of a shield but it isn’t exactly a shield. Additionally you can compensate largely for stamina issues with mainly using your ults to Iframe. In my experience playing her for this video I have not run into any stamina issues with her. This is partly due to me using her with Xingqiu meaning that if I use CAs instead of AAs it would be a dps loss. Also building stacks 2NAs followed by 1E resulted in better damage for me and no stamina consumption.
Wish they would include the starter characters like Lisa in free four star rewards, like what they do with lantern right or something, because their constellations are so much harder to get than regular four stars. Would make it more fun to play characters like Lisa if most of us had more than C0 and could make her more viable.
Just by having the 3 free characters as featured 4stars on the standard banner would already be so good since you can get a lot of free pulls from the bp, sakura tree, leveling characters, etc. If i had c6 lisa i would definitely build her just to try some nuke builds with that massive dmg multiplier she has
My personal theory, but I have a feeling that when we get second Mondstadt annual event, Ludi Harpastum, there will be similar to Lantern Rite thing of "chose your free Mondstadt 4*".
@@joey_f4ke238 yeah i think many players wait to try and build certain 4 stars until they have at least 4+ constellations to be worth it. can't build starters if so many of us aren't pulling on the standard banner and they're not even easy to get on standard like you said lol!
I am a Kaeya main(a f2p at that too)and I am Ar54 didn't even get him at C1 :( I got three limited 5 * characters,C1 Keqing and two 5 * weapons and yet I only got C1 Lisa,come on Mihoyo
Thing about catalysts is that they are really good range option for mobile players. It’s harder to aim on mobile, so bow users are less consistent, esp with elemental damage.
I have no bow character built Cuase im on mobile And I have like 6 Catalyst characters either built or in process of lvl 80 at least I may not find them so fun if I was playing on pc, but I adore them
I don't get what is so hard to aim on mobile? Since day one i looove bow characters. And no i don't find aiming is that torturing difficult. Yes it does take time to get used to it. But hey, it is not the end of the world. Just as we get used to the timing to skill and to dodge, with time, aiming will be a breeze. The only problem is, there r so many other characters that r good but doesn't need to aim,so most players gave up on aiming i supposed.
Couple days ago found one thing that made me fall in love with her. Lisa's elemental skill and burst abilities don't have any height restrictions. For example you can go to Qingxu Pool (ruins in bottom left of Liyue), climb to the highest point, use her burst and it would be zapping all enemies on the ground level. Same for enemies higher than Lisa. There is 3 abyss mages in Lingju Pass (a bit higher than previous point) standing on a platform. You can get under that platform and with combination of burst and skill destroy them all (tho they will send a lot of bubbles and icicles in your way). My point is, this is one of the best mechanic in game, and might be most fun I ever have playing Genshin Impact and trying something new. But I found about it just by coincidence after playing game for 16 months. Only cuz it's underrated character. Also, this ability is so good against new mobs. Ghosts, rifthounds, and Wolflord, no matter how high they go Lisa will reach them.
Yeah! That’s how I take down the oceanid birds Jandhfjfjfjr, no matter how much higher than me they fly, no floating enemy can escape the rage of my beautiful witch.
Lisa is definitely my favorite starter character. She's really pretty and purple is just a great colour on her. I used her as a sub dps for a while, but ended up replacing her with Rosaria.
Im ar 50, still grinding to get my characters to 80. Most of my arts is purple. And she is lvl 8. I stopped using her when I got Keqing at AR 5-10. Even if Ive tried Lisa many times, I still cant understand what her Ult and tactical is supposed to do.
Honestly you can use Lisa and Rosaria together with great results. Rose's crits hit hard and combo them with a hydro applicator and an Anemo healer. Mmm. Delicious dmg. High invest to make great but most of those characters are great to lvl. And using her is almost a must on a team with any form of physical dps.
*Fun Fact* : You can complete the Electro stone puzzles in Inezuma using Lisa’s burst. - I used Lisa as I 100% explored each section of Inzeuma and about 75%+ of the time, her burst auto solved the puzzles in one single activation.
I really like when Vars goes in depth with these analysis of why the character can be rather difficult for people to use based on their kits and effectiveness
As someone who likes to battle from a distance I quite enjoy a yanfei-Lisa combo for main dps. Just swapping back and forth causing elemental reactions over and over. I find it’s especially good for ruin guard type enemy’s!
Hi as a Lisa main i agree on everything, but you forget to mention that when The enemy is affected by pyro or cryo if Lisa use her normal e , she will instantly put 2 stacks on The enemy that she hit and 1 to the nearby enemies and she transmit The reaction to them too. Before saying this i wanted to be sure about it : apparently when enemies are trapped in venti and traveler bursts she does The same thing (2 stacks generally but sometimes happened to me to see 3 stacks) but if The burst is affected by pyro or cryo she put directly 3 stacks. I don’t know if works with sucrose and kazuha too. Another thing she does is that if The enemy is affected with hydro her charged E will trigger 4 hits of electrocharge.
agree but for me it's still considered long setup since you still have to trigger the long hold charge atk (and let's hope the enemies stay in her circle area and your Lisa isn't get too hurt during that process), plus her normal E stack isn't that consistent too because sometimes they just trigger 2 two stack instead of 3 , and sometimes even the near enemies not affected even if you use her as support she isn't that good considering she require 80 energy for her burst off field damage
@@enma9359 Thats why I use Amber and Xiangling for Lisa's support Amber provides distraction and enemies stay in field and attack bunny instead of Lisa and Xiangling for off field pyro to trigger overloads
What I don’t like about Lisa is the fact that the stacks in her kit are both applied and used by her elemental skill. It would make more sense if her skill applied the stacks, and her burst consumed the stacks, causing massive damage from her burst.
They could easily just add a free constellation reward for clearing the spiral abyss. If mihoyo wants to be nice they could make it cost a certain amount of stars so that people who are starting out could still get them without having to dump money on primos just to get the 5 stars to clear it easily. This would give the players a goal to try to get as many stars as possible in the abyss since some people actually want to play the free units.
@@Yuuria_ with regards to how beautiful the game is, mechanics, updates and events every now and then plus you can actually acquire characters as long as you manage to plan your pulls, even without paying a single buck, mihoyo is quite decent or even above decent compared to other gacha games out there.
@@perfectprinting3021 Most of these things are quite irrelevant. All Gacha and Live Service games run events and have constant updates because that’s what keeps the game alive and going. As for the world what does that have to do with them being nice? Nothing, it’s one of the selling aspects of the game and that’s it. Generosity is an other thing entirely; they have been extremely stingy for over a year now, their community events have us doing them promotion so they can get more people to join the game, artists are rewarded for hours of their time (and free promotion for the game through their creations) with a laughable amount of Primos, their anniversary was an absolute joke, they seldom give players gifts, the game lacks critical features even after all this time and they hardly ever listen to feedback (Electro still sucks, Abyss keeps getting harder and harder with no incentives to play it and pretty much only whales can comfortably tackle it since it also often has rules that favor the latest released unit, some characters are atrocious to play, etc.). Also, you can get characters if you plan your pulls in pretty much all Gacha games, even those that don’t have a 100% pity they usually have Spark system so you can plan accordingly. I get loving Genshin and whatnot, I’ve been playing since Day 1, but some things are just undeniable. I enjoy the game and play it daily, building characters can be fun (if you exclude artifact RNG) but I’m not blind to all of the shortcomings. How the game is viewed by the outside, by the non-playing people, is a good indication of how the game really is and all the outside people I know that don’t play it only know about Genshin because of the Anniversary blunder, the Elon Musk stunt and the bad Aloy collaboration. One last thing is the fact that even when they listen they try to maximize their own interest; we asked for artifact rerolls and we literally got a system so bad that literally nobody uses it, weapon banner too hard? Well, you can save 240 pulls for that weapon you want now. Being nice doesn’t mean supporting the game since it’s what they’d do anyway given the fact that Genshin earns them Billions; being nice entails active listening to player feedback and concerns and good communication.. they do very little of all that. I joined the Arknights community after Genshin’s and they’re always hyped about something other than characters (which is all Genshin banks on), they have great Collaborations, they release music all the time, an anime is in the works, they have sick merch and they’ve just had a great anniversary event with tons of freebies and content. If only Genshin could be like that, instead all the craze that happens is always about the next character and only that; when I log into the game I’m done it 10 minutes, events included, due to how easy it is and then I’m back to waiting 2 more days until the next part releases. Went to a bit of a rant but yeah.. they can do much much better and I wish they did, the game has so much potential but since they know they can milk their players without going all out they settle for that and it’s a shame
@@Yuuria_ your comment deserve more likes. There are tons more issues but your comment highlight some of the most glaring issues with Genshin. I also appreciate the bit about loving the game but don’t be too blinded and not seeing said issues. It seems often people forget about these issues and have come to terms with it. Just a quick comment of mine.
@@eumeliaria7081 Thanks! I usually get labeled as a hater but I'm glad it didn't happen this time. I just truly believe that the game can be so much more, even the working shell we have right now is enough to have a good deal of fun but it's obvious to see that they aren't trying nearly as much as they can and it's mostry because the community is just down for whatever happens. The bar has been set so low that anything is fine for many people. This is the first time I've seen an overly loyal fanbase being a hindrance to a game's progression. On another note, today I rolled the Vortex Vanquisher so I'm extra sad LOL, it's beyond me how they reworked Zhongli due to popular demand but forgot to change his weapon accordingly so now the weapon isn't even good on him, the signature character; if only they fixed it but I don't really see them doing it. To conclude though, thank you for the kind comment, I really appreciate it! ^^
One thing I would see as a huge improvement is if her hold E doesn't require you to channel fully to use. That means we could do hold E on smaller AOE hence quicker casting time. Shorter CD from shorter channels would also be nice.
Yeah, something like that would be quite nice, in situations where you are fighting really close targets you could deliver insane damage numbers with almost no charge time That combined with her c6 would make her a really nice nuke style sub dps
My first main and now only Buffer and Debuffer her ULT+C4 is so good to bad she's rarer than 5 star unit hope they give Lisa spot on some banner i am willing to pay Mihoyo...
I really wonder if the backlash for putting the starter trio on some event banners would actually be that huge at this point. Most players love Amber, Kaeya and Lisa, at least as characters, and it would do a lot for them. Alternatively, free Stella Fortunas would indeed be a great solution. Or maybe their odds could be boosted in the standard banner.
It's also really inconsistent that those three are not put on banners since every player has them, but other free characters exist (Barbara, Xiangling, to an extent Noelle) that do get put on banners.
They should give the stars as rewards for completing their hangout storylines. That way while their free theres still an element of working for them. I understand not doing that for paid for characters but for free characters there should be a way to gain them same as traveler. It not only introduces the hangout mechanic but gives you an initial reason to actually do it. Iignored the hangouts for so long until i did them purely for the primos
I’m a Lisa main and honestly her skill is so powerful but her being electro and having to apply stacks is too slow but she can dish out some strong damage with c6 and a shield
@@wahyuwirawan727 I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but her C6 itself does not apply electro, only the skill stacks. You'd still need to either press E or Q on Lisa to overload.
You can overload and superconduct and best unit is Xiangling cause she can provide off field pyro and you can use Amber as support cause she can provide distraction so enemies can be in AOE while not attacking Lisa and having both of them provides pyro resonance :D Hope this helps! Btw I am also Lisa main
@@rastislavrutta9592 well she isn’t that good of a unit cuz her attacks are pretty slow and her kit is overall a lil bit clunky but if u have her c6 it literally negates all of this Even tho she is electro and blvlavla she has the second highest damage scaling in the game on her skill
Well she is preety much the first *released* character that actually powercreeped the whole game and since genshin players only cares about damage thats why they play her
@@shidzenrekun lemme add on to this dps thingy. His supposed signature weapon is a 5 star ATK% Substat that stacks more ATK% with the passive. Vortex Vanquisher, it's quite eh compared to other 5* polearms but dang does it look good on him
I've used her for a good year now and actually like her a lot. She feels different than other characters, a bit slower and floatier, but once I got the hang of her and the mid-range playstyle of catalyst users she was a blast! Having her and Kaeya makes oceanid a breeze, hands down the best antidote to the flying birds. Also as someone who actually has her at C6 as a by-product of my Kaeya-simpery I love swapping her in, hold E and destroy everything ⚡⚡⚡🌹 I highly recommend teaming her with Noelle for the shield and Jean, because she is her wife and they deserve to go on adventures together.
I wish to one day find the will to roll for the beginner character constellations I'm trying to reach 1000 fates (I probably won't reach it but, I'll try and hopefully end up with something around the hundreds) so maybe I can make about 100 standard fates
In my personal experience, I ditched her as fast as I could ‘cause of her overall feel. Her attacks feel slow and “floaty”, not as snappy and responsive as other catalysts - even Ninguang, who also is kinda slow, feels way better. It’s not even actual timing, it’s mostly animations.
As a Ningguang main, I wouldn't say Ningguang is slow. Perhaps you aren't holding forward for animation canceling? The only time she or most other characters feel slow (aside from Lisa) is when the game is set to 30 fps, but then everything feels like it is chugging. Ningguang has like an 8s downtime of auto-attack after her skill, burst, skill attack chain, which may also make her feel slow (during that down time, spool up support and switch to sub-dps for a few hits or just Venti Vortex to make best use of Ningguang's small AOE on her auto-attack).
@@pyro226 animation canceling makes her perform better, yes, but she still FEELS slow. It’s not about actual dps, it’s about the way character feels. MHY probably wanted to make her look graceful and regal, and she does, it looks really nice, but it’s not really working when actually playing her.
@@bloody4558 I haven't played enough Klee, but Ningguang is definitely has better movement and attacking than Lisa. Ningguang's movement skill where charged attacks don't consume stamina and better homing gives her the edge on most catalyst users.
enter the meta is probably not gonna happen in the same way that characters like zhongli, ayaka, ganyu, raiden, hu tao, etc are in the meta. But being viable is very possible, similar to how noelle got a massive buff with itto’s weapon and artifsct set. Itto is still better, but noelle is also insane now.
@@larryxiang822 Funny enough based on my napkin math if you had enough primos to either draw Itto OR Redhorn and you had c6 Noelle you actually would've gotten a slightly bigger DPS boost from drawing Redhorn and putting it on Noelle. The difference is very slight (less than 5%) but I was still kinda surprised by it. Of course if you have both then Itto is way ahead.
@@larryxiang822 Talking about noelle she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps and getting noelle's constellation is so easy she also appears in paimon's bargain. And of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star
@@amberbestdps2048 oh my that is some terrible logic "she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps" do you even know what subdps means? Sub dps = dps from off field. Good luck getting significant dmg from noelle off field Healer? Barely. The heals arent just extremely low (cant even outheal corrosion in most scenarios) it's also inconsistent (50% per hit unless you're in burst). Oh, not only that, but you also need a stupid amount of field time for those small heals Shield? Ehh, kinda. The shield downtime makes it useless for anyone except noelle. The only way to play noelle is as main dps. And guess what? Her damage output isn't even average. "getting noelle's constellation is so easy" LMAO that's blatantly false. having 1 extra copy of noelle doesnt make the next 6 noelles "easy" "she also appears in paimon's bargain" No shit literally every 4 star appears there "of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star" At this point you should just let yourself out. That's stupid on so many levels. Itto's dps is far worse than xiangling's for example. Xiangling is a 4*. Some of the best characters in the game are 4 stars. Your point is just wrong yet again noelle isnt underrated, she just sucks.
Awesome video!! A note from a Yanfei main though: I think the biggest problem with catalyst users is the fact they don't *feel* powerful. I adore Yanfei because she *feels* like she's doing a lot of damage with her charged attacks, with the big sound effects and the hammer of judgement. I've noticed that many, if not all, other catalyst users don't *feel* powerful, even if the numbers on the screen are gigantic, i.e Ningguang, I've seen plenty of videos showcasing her amazing damage at high talent levels, but I have Ningguang and I hardly touch her. The fun factor is a major part of gameplay, and when I pulled first pulled Yanfei, I couldn't swap off of her because of how awesome she felt to use. I also remember using Klee in her story quest, and I remember being really disappointed, cause I'd heard that Yanfei is just a budget Klee, and after using Klee, I definitely feel like Klee is just expensive (worse) Yanfei.
yanfei's also just really clean to use, her charges are very smooth in comparison to other dps like ningguang or klee. and her constellations make her more comfortable to use but they don't feel necessary.
I agree that Klee is clunky (although there are ways to overcome it) but Klee's charged attack animation is literally an explosion? How does that not feel powerful?
@@riottalisman4786 klee's visual effects look cooler for me though and the wayshe topples large enemies like lawlachurls too. I think people not liking catalysts has to do with the fact that Klee, despite being a dps cannot vape properly with xingqiu because of her over Pyro application and ningguangs burst jades and charged shots go into the ground/sky and don't hit the enemy properly. Yanfei, I don't think she has any problems or inconveniences except being stamina hungry at c0 but she's not broken by any means, shes fine. It also has to do with the scaling. None of the catalyst dps as of now have broken multipliers whereas every other weapon type has atleast one or more. I've seen so many people going for yae miko because she's said to be strong.
Yanfei is really cool but i feel like she's just too expensive for being a four star I have issues regarding her hp and she needs so much energy recharge and takes a lot of stamina for her charged attack rather than that she's pretty amazing i absolutely love her playstyle and she used to carry my team
I've been using Lisa as a support ever since i started playing, and I don't think i'll be switching her out anytime soon. I love her play style, and she feels so much better to play than any of the other electro characters. I use her for electro charged reaction with Xingqiu and it works very well for me
10K per charged attack is not huge, even Amber can hit 10K easily. given Lisa has highest charged atk multiplier, you might wanna get your build reviewed by Lisa Mains discord/ subreddit
@@RuneKatashima I never said I was talking about Melt or Vape dmg. My amber hits 12k per headshot, with a 3* bow, with Vape she hits 17K to 25K, with Melt, she hits 29k to 32K Highest I've hit with her is about 73K+ with bennett and sucrose buffs
She's a character that has a sort of learning curve. You have to get used to the feeling and coordinate/time her rotations perfectly, but once you get that down she's so good with EC. You also need ideal weapons and teammates, so not a lot of people can maximize her
@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. I put her on 4 oc thundering fury because her reaction damage gets really high if you got 300+ ele mastery on her dps build.
As a C6 Lisa main, I can tell you: she can deal some hard dmg. I know most ppl think of her just as a climbing meme, but really, with enough effort she becomes a beautiful off-field or even on-field dmg dealer
Imagine if Lisa got a colossal buff when the Sumeru update rolls around. You know she's gonna have a decent amount of screen time during the Sumeru story since she's originally from there.
Lisa is the most complex character you've ever encounter because there are so many of her kits that doesnt get explained in-game and u have to experiment it yourself to understand how good she is 1. Conductive Stacks. Instead of tap E for 3 times, u can just give Pyro/Cryo aura to enemies first then swap to Lisa to tap E once, the Conductive Stacks will automatically added by 3 and it'll be spread out to nearby enemies. If you understand this, her c6 is not mandatory anymore (but hey, C6 is for flexing :3) 2. Her hold E has really wide range. You can just hold her E and accidently hit enemies way above or way low of your Lisa. She'll even hit any hiding enemies that you missed with your eyes (even the invinsible one, only if they are in Lisa's range when she hold her E) 3. Yae Miko isn't *5 stars Lisa, she is 5* stars Fischl. Yae and Lisa have different kit. The only thing they share on similarities are they are catalyst user and female. Yae is more dealing constant damage per second while Lisa dealing high burst damage on their E. Yae's Q is burst yes, but required high energy cost unlike Lisa's burst ability on her hold E. Lisa's burst is one of the best debuffer out there since it shred enemies' def by 15%. 4. Her best Constellations are C1 and C4. C1 for energy recharge purposes and C4 for her burst to spread out to 3 more enemies. Makes it really good for mobs. In the end, her downfall is that she is one of the starter char, and everytime new char get release, she will fall behind even more. Only the true simp will stay by her side, like me
Hi! as a lisa main i ve been waiting for this vid for a while and want to share a tip about her tap E conductive stacks since it has ALOT of hidden mechanics! Her tap E has a small aoe that can be used to apply the stacks for clumped up enemies, however, triggering overload/superconduct can add 2-3 stacks instantly! So her bread and butter combo is this: -apply pyro/cryo to a single enemy - use an anemo unit to group them up -use a single Lisa Tap E - watch as ALL groupped up enemies gain 3 stacks - Use lisa hold E for massive damage :) this doesnt work with electro charged because it doesnt have an "explosion" when triggering it. so yeah C6 lisa is cool but its not necessary at all to make her smoother as u can instantly get 3 stacks with a single tap E.
I wish Lisa was more akin to Ningguang. Ning is a 4☆ with 5☆ dps. She's an amazing burst support or main dps, gets on main banners, and her normal atk can be animation canceled.
literally any normal attack can be animation cancelled ningguang's dps is pretty much single target yet still worse than even yoimiya's, unless you're talking about damage in like 5 seconds which is unrealistic regardless burst support? what? her burst has 0 support capabilities lmfao what are u on you mean burst dps? also, if "gets on main banners" is your argument for ningguang being good, you're just desperate.
@Amber best dps never said she wasn't, just stated I wish her normal and charge attacks were a bit quicker. Her skill's concept is cool. Just wish it didn't CC her in place.
@e normally I wouldn't bite on an obvious troll but, what the hell I'm bored. 1) Ningguang + Prototype Amber turns her into burst support. Add the right artifacts and the fact her elemental skill blocks projectiles and she is a really solid support. (Builds available on youtube) Before you say bullshit, I use her in my mono Geo Itto team before I got c4 Gorou as a healer to counter rift hounds. 2) Animation canceling is not good game mechanics. It's a shitty way to bypass shitty designs 3) Ningguang's attacks after c1 or c2 become AOE allowing her to not be strictly a single target dps 4) Reliably getting constellations is what makes most 4☆ usable. Some people have spent $4k+ on this game without getting a single constellation for Lisa, Kaeya, or Amber. Ningguang showing up on banners makes it a million times easier to obtain constellations for her even as f2p. That's not desperation, that's just a fact.
@@ingenuitypulse6254 From the leaks it seems Ayato benefits from vape teams since he deals single instances of big hydro dmg, he’s not like Xingqiu, Childe, Kokomi or Mona who can constantly apply hydro so I doubt he’d benefit from possible taser comps
Well... her burst is high cost and she reduces defence and she brings in a lot of energy. I tend to use her with my Raiden sometimes. I would say Lisa is Yae Miko with backwards skills and Yae works well with Shogun from what I've seen
A fun fact about Lisa's conductive stacks, you can apply more than 1 stack, in a large aoe, if the E triggers overloaded or super conduct, meaning she only needs 3 seconds to get the 1k% charged E damage
@@АК-32ОлексійКозакевич They mean if you use the press version of her elemental skill it it triggers superconduct or overload, the AoE explosion of the reactions will apply one conductive stack on the enemies hit, so if you use it just 3 times that way she'll have max power damage for her held elemental skill.
Seconded, so far Lisa is one of my heaviest hitters, though my Diluc and Yoimiya are close. They'd probably be better than her if they had some better artifacts lol
Me too (i have to gloat that i just got her c2 :D) Lisa is such a perfect character for me, i love the playstyle, but the lack of damage is a little underwhelming.
She's actually one of my favorite characters, I don't use the typical set ups that pros suggest. I just overload machine gun with Lisa and Yanfei because I'm an ape. I had no idea that's what her E did, I always thought it would apply electro when she was off field or something so I will be sure to try it out.
As I always say, they should just massively upgrade the constellations of the free characters to make them on C6 as strong as every other C6 4*, Lisa's are good but should be even stronger to balance her weak C0 kit out. Then feature them just like any other 4* in event banners from time to time or give them a higher rate on the standard banner or make a 3rd Paimon's Bargain slot only for those 3. Good old Pot of Greed joke :D
7:26 Pot of Greed was so good that they banned it from usage in official capacity. Though Pot of Avarice might be better depending on your deck, but Pot of Greed was such a good card in general that it outshone everything else. In short, this comparison hits hard for Genshin's current state for character building. 🤣
Im a lisa main so im excited to see this! Edit: I Love Lisa as a character and i enjoy her play style. I have her crowned, lvl 90 and 5 star book, She's a Main DPS with her team being Zhongli, Xaingling and Sucrose :)
Her VA playing as her was the reason I played the game, also took me a year to play her with good resource. She and Rosaria became my current team combo, including Jean and will add Shenhe as a switch with Beidou for pure Ara Ara team.
I actually use Lisa in my geo team thanks to the shield giving her an easy way to use her elemental skill combined with her ult reducing enemy defense for my noelle to go ham
It is interesting, that from what we see of Yae Miko, she feels like reversive Lisa. Her elemental skill is smaller copy of Lisa's burst, which can be applied much easier due to 3 stacks, and her elemental burst is unconditional burst of damage. We still don't know about her constellations, but to my mind Lisa will be forever powercrept by Yae after she will be released.
I agree with the first part. Yae uses em for DMG bonus. The skills are reverse, Yae has really short range and Lisa's is a bit long, the cd also fit. But I genuinely think they are very different from each other, but I love them both and will use them together.
Yae’s kit is much more similar to Fischl, her skill drops turrets that do periodic, high electro damage, and her burst does high AoE electro damage that resummons 1 totem. Currently Lisa’s main competitor is actually Sara as a buffer in Raiden teams. Lisa with Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer’s is actually better than C0-5 Sara according to theorycrafting calculations, and is still competitive with C6 Sara. For a Raiden Hypercarry comp Lisa is actually one of the better choices, though TTDS definitely carries her.
Her E is real clunky especially without shield, her damage is good but not good enough to be worth using offensive catalysts over TTDS most of the time, EM ascension stat is generally bad for her, Electro has no good exclusive 4-piece artifact set (like crimson witch, heart of depth, blizzard strayer) and finally she really wants to get C4 (biggest dps increase with even quadratic scaling) and C6 (makes her less clunky) but suffers from the same curse as Amber and Kaeya. Making her hold E need way less cast time and press E bounce more generously so grouped enemies can easily get 2 or even 3 stacks without much setup would honestly fix her worst issues. Making her press E have almost no cooldown would also make her less clunky since waiting for hold E is awkward.
It doesn't add quadratic scaling. Just aoe scaling. Lisa will still do the same damage to each unit, she just does it to more units. Quadratic is when they do the same damage to each unit *per* each unit affected by it. Like if lisas hitting 5k Q ticks. Add a 2nd unit and shes hitting 5k still. Just on 2 units. Netting her 10k total damage and still doing the same damage to the original unit. Quadratic would be if she had 2 units so her 5k tick turned into 2 separate 5k ticks per unit. Making her do 10k to each of 2 units netting 20k total. Or 3 units each taking 5k 3 times, netting 15k to each of 3 units for 45k total damage. The reason swirl, childe, and ganyu get quadratic is cause they spawn AoE attacks onto individual enemies that can hit other enemies. Making each enemy take damage from the enemies around them effectively. one aoe anemo tick triggering swirl on 5 grouped enemies makes each enemy take 5 swirls. Not 5 different enemies taking one swirl each. In lisas case it just makes her pulses themselves do aoe damage practically. With a target cap. Is all. Which is still a massive bonus. the best she gets. But its not quadratic. Quadratic requires you to have an AoE that *spawns* more AoEs on a per target basis that can overlap onto enemies that are in the original aoe.
@@thatrashcan9993 It DOES add quadratic scaling, just remember that Electro reactions are AOE, her charged E skill allows you to immediately cause more EC or Overload reactions in a group of enemies in one single application than any other character could ever hope to match. Now, it is true that they have a limit to how many enemies can be affected by one single reactions and that is on of the many problems holding electro back.
@@thatrashcan9993 Her Q has a small AoE on each zap. Since with C4 you can get up to 3 discharges at the same time, if enemies are grouped it's quadratic scaling. It's worse than Ganyu's in several ways though. Edit: just to further prove my point, these are some quotes from Keqingmains' Theorycrafting Library: "Discharges from Lightning Rose have a small AoE on impact. In tight enemy groups, a lightning bolt can deal damage to multiple enemies at once." "In tight enemy groups, Plasma Eruption can quadratically increase the damage of Lightning Rose due to the AoE of each lightning bolt released." (When referring to C4) library.keqingmains.com/characters/electro/lisa
Agree and what sucks is her big dmg which is hold E has 16s cd, that’s already equivalent to a Q skill which others have stronger and rn w/ proper rotation most teams don’t suffer from energy issues. For comparison Raiden Q has 18s cd excluding electro infusion, outdamages Lisa’s E and batteries the whole team. Lisa’s hold E cd shouldn’t be that long
Of many of the unpopular characters, I believe the problem not to be their kit, but the metagame itself, basically everyone tries to pair them with the usual units, Bennet, Kazuha, etc., Maybe the problem is that we need to play differently with different compositions than the ones we are accustomed to see an play. Example: Ningguang (favoniuous) + Yelan (Favoniuous) + Lissa (Thrilling tales) + Noelle (unga bunga). Great videos !
I did start playing Lisa on my alt, and got few things out of expirience... She isn't very intuitive, it took my friend who is a Lisa simp to explain me that you stop holding her E after she laughs, not wait until it hits by itself... Can't really play her without a shield, it is very annoying and if the enemy is strong actually deadly... Her stacks seem to go away too fast... Overall I do still want to level her on my main, but she is in the bottom of the list of characters who I am leveling...
Thank you for actually informing Lisa's weakness layer by layer. It gives me ideas on how to play her better. Recently I'm feeling bored playing Ei, Fischl, and Razor, and also have built Kaeya, Amber and Xiangling, so I tried building Lisa to lv 69 for second talent. I must say her challenging playstyle is so much fun to use in coop, where I can make use of my teammates as bait. In the meantime, I can spam Q and E consistently from far away, so it's all good. 😂 Ofc the biggest challenge being Lisa is that not every player welcome a lv 69 Lisa, so sometimes they'd just kick me out the party or laugh at her.
Funny enough, a TCer I know have discovered Lisa's viability in Raiden. She can substitute for Sara and is even better than pre-Sara C6 from the calcs. She provides ttds and def shred and her burst energy problem are solved by Raiden.
i love these videos and i havent seen any other content creator try to do them! WNOP is my some of my favorite genshin creator content and I love how well you do them and how you maintain objectivity in your assessments. i could very easily see some creators turning the idea of WNOPs into "this character is trash" and you really successfully manage not to. Keep up the good work!
I just wanna say that Lisa and Mona's synergy is *chef's kiss*. Mona's E attracts enemies and keeps them closer to eachother + applies hydro. Mona's burst prevents enemies from moving and adds additional dmg. Add Kaeya and Bennett in here and u got a bomb team. It was mine for a long time, and still haven't found one that synergizes as well.
Dendro changed things completely. Once neglected, my Lisa now is level 80, Talents 7/7/8, and full elemental mastery. She is fun to play. I put ER on her so her Lighting Rose burst 3 to 4 times per domain cycle. I believe Lisa is much better now, after the addition of dendro.
Before the video start: - Lisa would be one of the starter char that i actually want to build and still waiting for a reason to build her. - Having a def shred in her kit already as a passive, not constellation, which make her seem really valuable to me (it like a budget c2 for Raiden and budget c6 for Yae) - But Lisa have quite a few problems ngl, i think the main problem with Lisa is her E cause it took too much time to charge up and really clunky to use. Her Q aoe is also bit small (atleast it bigger than Amber) but keep knocking back enemy away which is kinda a problems in certain scenario - Lisa constellation does solve some of her problem but getting them is a whole problem on it own - The only thing i can think of to help her would just rework her E, make it easier to use, to build stack and quicker to use as well or make her press E able to generate particle. If her E got improve, she would be a great pick for not just mono electro team but many quick swap team as well that just how good i think her def shred is After the video: - Great video as always - you definitely touch on all of her problems - She is definitely one of those char that just 1 small fix away to be really good - Our only hope for char like this would be smh in the future mhy release something like a rank up quest from fgo or awakening quest that raise level from 90 to 100 that will give char alternate skill or passive that would replace old one. That will help out a lot of the unpopular 4 star or even weaker 5 star (mostly the standard one)
@@ren_MY i know that why i said "it like a budget c2 raiden", mean it kinda a similar and downgrade version of raiden c2 but not exactly the same ofc. Different method but similar outcome, that why i said it was a budget version. The cool thing is Lisa def shred is still good combo with Raiden c2 Example: i don't know how dmg is calculate in genshin but this is how i see: - if an enemy have 100 def and Raiden c2 ignore 60% def that mean only 40 def of the enemy will be up against Raiden atk - if there is a char able to 60% def shred an enemy then the enemy only have 40 def left against an atk -> basically different method but similar outcome (ofc if the way they calculate dmg is different for both def shred and ignore then i would be wrong)
tbh lisa works really well in builds with eula or razor since youre gonna be focusing on superconduct and she's both a great app but also an er and debuffer
@@jakeail1995 id say lisa is a tradeoff to raiden C2. Yeah its a smaller shred than her ignore, however it does apply to the entire teams damage, reactions included. Raidens only applies to her personal talent % damage. Also while Lisa shred is welcome on a C2 Raiden cause of course its nice extra, its actually less effective on her than other units. The reason defense shred is so good is cause it hits a part of the damage formula almost no one touches. Making it an almost straight gain with no diminishing returns. Raiden not only hits that part of the formula, she hits it in a way that its actually hit by diminishing returns even worse than if raiden had just shredded 60% instead of ignoring 60%. The math to show this is lets just use 1000 defense as an example for easy math. Lisa would shred that to 850 defense. Thats nice. Raiden would ignore the 1000 down to the point its basically 400 defense correct? Okay so if they both just shredded itd effectively be 250 defense theyre left with because 75% shred. However raiden ignores instead of shredding. So lisa shreds it down to 850 and then raiden ignores 60% of that because defense ignore applies after and reads whats currently on the enemy's "stat card" which would be the already shredded defense. The 850. And taking a % out of a smaller number naturally nets you a smaller amount removed. Raiden is effectively ignoring 510 of the 850 because thats 60% of 850. Meaning theyre at 310 defense to raiden's attacks instead of the 250. She already had them at basically 400. So its not nearly as much of a gain to raiden as it is to other characters cause raiden already ignoring defense. Making lisa effectively shred only 90 extra instead of the 150 she does for other units not including that its on a defense stat youre already ignoring most of. So shes doing less shred combined with that part of the formula already being at diminishing returns. Now, extra is still extra so its not like thats bad. But the shred just scales worse with a C2 raiden than it does with other units. Kinda like how bennett scales poorly with hu tao, noelle and itto. Raiden C2 puts def so far into diminishing returns on top of it stacking inverse multiplicatively that lisa's shred just doesnt do as much. For that same reason tho thrilling tales does alot for raiden especially at c2 while shred is still shred. Making lisa a great raiden support either way. Lisa is less a good C2 raiden support from shred being good and more because shes one of the only units that provides something else on top of thrilling tales, making her just automatically better than other tales users. And even moreso for a C0 raiden because then its a raw shred not affected by the diminishing returns and not shaving off of defense already being ignored.
Being a Kaeya main is suffering because its so hard to get cons for him. I've got him at c3 since Sept '21 which is veeeeery lucky. I feel so bad for all the starter character mains.
He's strong, basically cryo Xiangling... but Xiangling only really needs c4 and he needs c6... and yea his cons are extremely hard to get. My Kaeya is at c4 and I've been playing since release, so I'll have him at c6 in another year or whatever lol
I use Lisa while pairing her with Noelle for shielding. Still building her but I get so happy when I see her crit damaging enemies with her 3-stack skill. I do like her personality and maybe her "floaty" fight style and long hold skill matches her "lazy" attitude. Everyone that knows her says she could be captain, but she doesn't want to. She's a "wasted potential". Her crit rate is her mood swings. When she's in the mood to punish naughty boys, and her crit kicks in, boom. When she just wants to stay home and drink tea, say bye to crit rate. Or maybe it's the other way around... the faster she ends the battle, the faster she gets to go back home. Either way, I'm willing to wait for Lisa's constellation because, as a wise one-san once told me: "No pain, no gain."
this was a super interesting watch, i love this series! since you’ve discussed lisa and amber, I’d be really interested to hear your thoughts on kaeya and his kit too :D i don’t think he belongs in the why no one plays series but would love to see his gameplay talked abt!
i think lisa, kaeya, and amber should be featured on banners bc other free characters, such as xiangling, collei, and barbara, are featured, so why not those 3?
When I first started my alt account I really wanted to start using characters I never gave a chance to on my main. So when I pulled razor of course I had to use him with Lisa. I pulled a 5 star catalyst early in the game and she was the only catalyst user I had so I used her for a while and she was…okay. She did the most damage for a while bc of her weapon. I leveled her to 70 because I like her as a character and got her talents up to like 4 I think but overall she was so clunky to use, which is a pity, her personality is so fun!
Her E just isn't satisfying. I love her burst and defense shred talent, and she's fun to actively play as. Standing still to use her skill just stops your momentum cold.
You raise a good point at the end about Catalyst users not being well liked in general. I myself don't like to use them unless they're a support that can hold Thrilling tales or Prototype Amber, but as a dps, they just feel so slow and clunky and I know animation canceliing is a thing, but for a casual its not ideal to learn when far more pratical units exists. They also tend to be very squishy most of the time, unless they're Barbara or Kokomi who are healing tanks. And I have noticed that Whales tend to use their c6 Klee as support to hold Thrilling Tales and Def shred constellation. Be a very interesting to watch your take on the subject manner.
I love playing Lisa. As another comment mentioned, she feels 'floaty', which is my favourite kind of playstyle. I run her with Xingqiu and Diluc, both of which allow her EM to really shine, especially since I hate farming artefacts.
Either that or they could have it work similarly to his Gravity Field. Have every third or fourth discharge that hits the target apply a stack of Conduction and when a discharge hits a target with full three stacks it triggers the stun. That would allow for her Burst to cut down on the wait time to really profit from her Violet Arc damage, while also making her C6 feel all the more powerful to reach by letting Rose immediately proc the stun to flow directly into Arc's channel. Obviously this would give her an incredibly strong damage output at C6, but with the general difficulty it takes to reach that I'd argue it's fair.
please do “WHY EVERYONE PLAYS BENNETT” 😂😂😂😂😂 hes statistically the most picked character in spiral abyss and even i personally can’t craft a team without him
Well.There is nothing much to analyze there.The answer is simple.Fantastic fucking voyage.Attack buff,healing,Pyro application,Energy recharge...he has it all.
@@jiyanmehta7250 yeah but there are newbies or idiots out there that refuse to read the character skills descriptions or stick to waifu>meta so much that i think it will be helpful to those people not us already experienced players 😂😂
I feel like I should change my name to "nobody", because I play (or have plans to build and play) every character reviewed in this series thus far. Yes, even Aloy. I feel like I'm a rare breed of player that derives joy by bringing out the potential of any and all characters in the game, regardless of how much or little they may have.
You're a gigachad. I want to do the same as well specially the entire roster of The Knights of Favonius. I've built Noelle, Albedo, and Sucrose so far. I really want to build Kaeya and Lisa too. Amber's last on the line 'cause I can't be bothered in that crimson domain. Don't have Eula and Klee unfortunately.
I’m a triple crowned c5 Lisa main actively using her in spiral and clearing it full stars and I can say I was very much looking forward to this video and I 100% agree with what u say I remember seeing her in beta and instantly loving her design and character lore. I feel my love for her is forever strong due to her being underrated compared to any other character since she is a starter character. But yea Tysm for being so respectful and actually be informative making valid point instead of screaming “SHES TRASH” I rly Ely enjoyed this video❤️😊
I remember I used her a lot in earlygame, I really love her as a character and as for usability, well, after getting Raiden I lost any reason to use her but she served me till then. The funny thing is later I built her as a ttds buffer, so she's there.
7:07 are you sure raiden doesnt have as much burst damage? 4p emblem + c0 + the catch alone would outclass lisa's nuke (with full resolve), if not then at the very least c2 raiden + 4p emblem + the catch.
The amount of things I'm fighting on standard banner just to get a single con is criminal. I really wish Lisa would get featured on a limited banner. I would totally wish for her as many times as I can even though I know getting a 4 star is harder. At least the odds are better
Hey at least it would be 16.67% chance to get Lisa on a purple and 33.34% if you lost the 50/50 on the purple first compared to the abysmal probably not even 1% on the standard banner purple.
love this video series as always, and i thought i’d chime in as a lisa main on my second account. characters with problems like them being slow, easy to interrupt, all that sorta stuff can be kinda annoying to use. klee makes me feel like i’m fighting my keyboard to get her to do the things i want! but there’s a lot of value in these characters in the way they really can teach you to be quite skilled. since klee is so squishy and i have no shield on my second acc, i learned how to i frame every enemy attack. amber taught me how to play it safe and from a distance, keqing taught me how to best optimise my stamina, and lisa basically taught me all that at once. even though genshin is a very easy game, i think it’s rewarding to get really good just for the sense of personal accomplishment. i do think that using starter characters and such can make you a better player in the end, and so they have value in not only their personalities and fun factor. again, really enjoy this series and i can’t wait to watch more
Lisa is amazing Her damage scale is insane (it's not the best but it's still better then other dps) And the elemental reactions the damage is amazing superconduct and overloaded are (in my opinion) thr best elemental reaction for electro characters
Wait a minute. Superconduct is just one of the better reactions for supporting but the reaction itself benefits PhysicalDmg carries so someone like Lisa herself doesn't benefit from it. Electro-Charged & Overload are generally better for Electro units since majority of them are ranged/mid range.
Your video quality is always brilliant, I'm so glad you finally made a video exploring and explaining pot of greed! the background genshin gameplay was a great addition as well!!
I love using Lisa in my team with Eula. I first shield my team with Diona, swap to Lisa for the burst, and swap to Eula to destroy everything. But I acknowledge that Lisa works there because Eula is doing all the heavy lifting lol
The amount of pain (and primos) I’ve gone through to buy all the starter characters when they come into the shop is immense. I had to scrounge up 34 starglitter every single month between september and november because I’m trying to build amber, kaeya, and lisa. I would be so happy if we could just get them through in game quests and shops like the traveler constellations, then I could finally do stuff like buy other character cons or starglitter weapons.
When I played her during Zhonglis trial I was so annoyed by just how long you have to hold her E skill to get the full effect. She's definitely not for someone who prefers a quick swap playstyle and it's sad because I know she can be pretty strong
I would reduce the charge time to 1.5s , reduce her CD to at most 12s , have her CA apply Lighting Rose stacks by default and make her C2 part of her base kit
I'm proud to clear the abyss with Lisa and Xinyan my fav 4* units. There's probably only 1 in a 1 000 player that does it and I must say I love you, you other 1 in 1 000 crazy bastards.
She actually hits like a truck. Just incredibly slow and clunky
... just like a truck
Like a truck
like a steamroller
She’s the stereotypical mage type characters in movies. Nerfed with low speed just for being “magical” and to allow the boring melee characters in the movies shine brighter 😆
Imagine if she's a Pyro or Hydro or Cryo
A vape or melt triggered from her 3 stacks hold ES would be so satisfying
Giving free cons for the starter characters just by progressing the story honestly sounds like a great idea
Kaeya would be op
@@chilairearts4238 yeah! I mean, the guy has a cryo shield in c3
@@call_Arapy C4* but yes very op
Of course they never will because MiHoYo hates free-to-plays
@@chilairearts4238 well, at least he'd be used. Now most people just use Rosaria or Diona instead
Having played her in Zhongli's trial, she absolutely needs that level of shield to be viable. Else, she is way too clunky, slow, and runs out of stamina too easily.
The thing is that Mihoyo tends to waste constellations on design problems. Lisa could have a much better const. if her elemental skill was a little faster, this way she wouldn't need a shield to protect her while she's charging to attack.
Another thing: her high stamina waste is probably because she is pictured as lazy. Still, when we put it side to side with gameplay issues it brings, this characterization just isn't worth it.
@@heitorramos2671 Not really wasting constellations. They were designed to make people want to pull more for quality of life rather than strictly DPS (as the latter leads to power creep). I've heard it described as they're looking to sell you a fix to a problem that they intentionally created.
@@pyro226 Exactly
I disagree. I contributed some of the footage for the video (I played the Lisa EC comp in Spiral Abyss and Maguu Kenki and Signora) and I would like to say that as long as you have Xingqiu she will be fine. His rain swords have some properties of a shield but it isn’t exactly a shield. Additionally you can compensate largely for stamina issues with mainly using your ults to Iframe. In my experience playing her for this video I have not run into any stamina issues with her. This is partly due to me using her with Xingqiu meaning that if I use CAs instead of AAs it would be a dps loss. Also building stacks 2NAs followed by 1E resulted in better damage for me and no stamina consumption.
Wish they would include the starter characters like Lisa in free four star rewards, like what they do with lantern right or something, because their constellations are so much harder to get than regular four stars. Would make it more fun to play characters like Lisa if most of us had more than C0 and could make her more viable.
Just by having the 3 free characters as featured 4stars on the standard banner would already be so good since you can get a lot of free pulls from the bp, sakura tree, leveling characters, etc. If i had c6 lisa i would definitely build her just to try some nuke builds with that massive dmg multiplier she has
My personal theory, but I have a feeling that when we get second Mondstadt annual event, Ludi Harpastum, there will be similar to Lantern Rite thing of "chose your free Mondstadt 4*".
@@RolandLory would love that!
@@joey_f4ke238 yeah i think many players wait to try and build certain 4 stars until they have at least 4+ constellations to be worth it. can't build starters if so many of us aren't pulling on the standard banner and they're not even easy to get on standard like you said lol!
I am a Kaeya main(a f2p at that too)and I am Ar54 didn't even get him at C1 :( I got three limited 5 * characters,C1 Keqing and two 5 * weapons and yet I only got C1 Lisa,come on Mihoyo
Thing about catalysts is that they are really good range option for mobile players. It’s harder to aim on mobile, so bow users are less consistent, esp with elemental damage.
It’s even harder to aim w/ a controller
@@zodiacsagittarius344 there is literally zero aim assist for controller, it's sad
THIS!
I have no bow character built Cuase im on mobile
And I have like 6 Catalyst characters either built or in process of lvl 80 at least
I may not find them so fun if I was playing on pc, but I adore them
I don't get what is so hard to aim on mobile? Since day one i looove bow characters. And no i don't find aiming is that torturing difficult. Yes it does take time to get used to it. But hey, it is not the end of the world. Just as we get used to the timing to skill and to dodge, with time, aiming will be a breeze. The only problem is, there r so many other characters that r good but doesn't need to aim,so most players gave up on aiming i supposed.
Couple days ago found one thing that made me fall in love with her. Lisa's elemental skill and burst abilities don't have any height restrictions. For example you can go to Qingxu Pool (ruins in bottom left of Liyue), climb to the highest point, use her burst and it would be zapping all enemies on the ground level. Same for enemies higher than Lisa. There is 3 abyss mages in Lingju Pass (a bit higher than previous point) standing on a platform. You can get under that platform and with combination of burst and skill destroy them all (tho they will send a lot of bubbles and icicles in your way).
My point is, this is one of the best mechanic in game, and might be most fun I ever have playing Genshin Impact and trying something new. But I found about it just by coincidence after playing game for 16 months. Only cuz it's underrated character.
Also, this ability is so good against new mobs. Ghosts, rifthounds, and Wolflord, no matter how high they go Lisa will reach them.
Yeah! That’s how I take down the oceanid birds Jandhfjfjfjr, no matter how much higher than me they fly, no floating enemy can escape the rage of my beautiful witch.
Yess i used this to fight ruin gaurds at the beginning of the game all the time
Lisa is definitely my favorite starter character. She's really pretty and purple is just a great colour on her. I used her as a sub dps for a while, but ended up replacing her with Rosaria.
Favorite Starter pokemon xD
She's pretty and purple. That's all good she got lmao
Agreed I made her before I got another characters
Im ar 50, still grinding to get my characters to 80. Most of my arts is purple. And she is lvl 8. I stopped using her when I got Keqing at AR 5-10. Even if Ive tried Lisa many times, I still cant understand what her Ult and tactical is supposed to do.
Honestly you can use Lisa and Rosaria together with great results. Rose's crits hit hard and combo them with a hydro applicator and an Anemo healer. Mmm. Delicious dmg. High invest to make great but most of those characters are great to lvl. And using her is almost a must on a team with any form of physical dps.
*Fun Fact* : You can complete the Electro stone puzzles in Inezuma using Lisa’s burst. - I used Lisa as I 100% explored each section of Inzeuma and about 75%+ of the time, her burst auto solved the puzzles in one single activation.
That's funny, and clever!
If they’re close enough, kuki’s skill has done the same for me lol
Cool I will try this
and Beidou's shield will work as a relay for the puzzles.
I really like when Vars goes in depth with these analysis of why the character can be rather difficult for people to use based on their kits and effectiveness
@@zeosummers3984 how so?Prove it.Coz what he said applied to me as well while playing Lisa.Extremely clunky
@@jiyanmehta7250 th-cam.com/video/tgPBxdUDYRU/w-d-xo.html
@@zeosummers3984 what the guy above said, where exactly is this not in-depth? enlighten us :)
@@mr.rumpartos3106 i dont get it, what does the vid have to do with the comment?
@@arashi302 it's a bot
As someone who likes to battle from a distance I quite enjoy a yanfei-Lisa combo for main dps. Just swapping back and forth causing elemental reactions over and over. I find it’s especially good for ruin guard type enemy’s!
That's what I do when I have both of them in my party too!
The Lisa-Yanfei combo is criminally underrated. It actually made Dragonspine bearable.
Casual...
@@cynnamonroll666 it's really not but ok
@@e554 yeah it's better to use melt or vaporize with Yan fei
Hi as a Lisa main i agree on everything, but you forget to mention that when The enemy is affected by pyro or cryo if Lisa use her normal e , she will instantly put 2 stacks on The enemy that she hit and 1 to the nearby enemies and she transmit The reaction to them too.
Before saying this i wanted to be sure about it : apparently when enemies are trapped in venti and traveler bursts she does The same thing (2 stacks generally but sometimes happened to me to see 3 stacks) but if The burst is affected by pyro or cryo she put directly 3 stacks. I don’t know if works with sucrose and kazuha too. Another thing she does is that if The enemy is affected with hydro her charged E will trigger 4 hits of electrocharge.
Bennett, Ayaka, Ganyu would work well with her I heard...
Actually, considering her E has AOE, she can get all 3 stacks if that happens while hitting two+ characters. Also, her Charged Attack is quite good.
agree but for me it's still considered long setup since you still have to trigger the long hold charge atk (and let's hope the enemies stay in her circle area and your Lisa isn't get too hurt during that process), plus her normal E stack isn't that consistent too because sometimes they just trigger 2 two stack instead of 3 , and sometimes even the near enemies not affected
even if you use her as support she isn't that good considering she require 80 energy for her burst off field damage
Apply cryo, group with an anemo character, tap e Lisa, everybody's 3 stack, watch the world burn with held e.
@@enma9359 Thats why I use Amber and Xiangling for Lisa's support Amber provides distraction and enemies stay in field and attack bunny instead of Lisa and Xiangling for off field pyro to trigger overloads
What I don’t like about Lisa is the fact that the stacks in her kit are both applied and used by her elemental skill. It would make more sense if her skill applied the stacks, and her burst consumed the stacks, causing massive damage from her burst.
Emm...thats kinda the reason yae miko feels bad to play tho, it would be another handicap to lisa tbh
@@mariacancino95 yeah I made this comment before I realized how bad Yae was. Good in theory, very bad in practice
They could easily just add a free constellation reward for clearing the spiral abyss. If mihoyo wants to be nice they could make it cost a certain amount of stars so that people who are starting out could still get them without having to dump money on primos just to get the 5 stars to clear it easily. This would give the players a goal to try to get as many stars as possible in the abyss since some people actually want to play the free units.
Mihoyo and being nice don’t really go that well together
@@Yuuria_ with regards to how beautiful the game is, mechanics, updates and events every now and then plus you can actually acquire characters as long as you manage to plan your pulls, even without paying a single buck, mihoyo is quite decent or even above decent compared to other gacha games out there.
@@perfectprinting3021 Most of these things are quite irrelevant. All Gacha and Live Service games run events and have constant updates because that’s what keeps the game alive and going. As for the world what does that have to do with them being nice? Nothing, it’s one of the selling aspects of the game and that’s it. Generosity is an other thing entirely; they have been extremely stingy for over a year now, their community events have us doing them promotion so they can get more people to join the game, artists are rewarded for hours of their time (and free promotion for the game through their creations) with a laughable amount of Primos, their anniversary was an absolute joke, they seldom give players gifts, the game lacks critical features even after all this time and they hardly ever listen to feedback (Electro still sucks, Abyss keeps getting harder and harder with no incentives to play it and pretty much only whales can comfortably tackle it since it also often has rules that favor the latest released unit, some characters are atrocious to play, etc.).
Also, you can get characters if you plan your pulls in pretty much all Gacha games, even those that don’t have a 100% pity they usually have Spark system so you can plan accordingly.
I get loving Genshin and whatnot, I’ve been playing since Day 1, but some things are just undeniable. I enjoy the game and play it daily, building characters can be fun (if you exclude artifact RNG) but I’m not blind to all of the shortcomings.
How the game is viewed by the outside, by the non-playing people, is a good indication of how the game really is and all the outside people I know that don’t play it only know about Genshin because of the Anniversary blunder, the Elon Musk stunt and the bad Aloy collaboration.
One last thing is the fact that even when they listen they try to maximize their own interest; we asked for artifact rerolls and we literally got a system so bad that literally nobody uses it, weapon banner too hard? Well, you can save 240 pulls for that weapon you want now.
Being nice doesn’t mean supporting the game since it’s what they’d do anyway given the fact that Genshin earns them Billions; being nice entails active listening to player feedback and concerns and good communication.. they do very little of all that.
I joined the Arknights community after Genshin’s and they’re always hyped about something other than characters (which is all Genshin banks on), they have great Collaborations, they release music all the time, an anime is in the works, they have sick merch and they’ve just had a great anniversary event with tons of freebies and content.
If only Genshin could be like that, instead all the craze that happens is always about the next character and only that; when I log into the game I’m done it 10 minutes, events included, due to how easy it is and then I’m back to waiting 2 more days until the next part releases.
Went to a bit of a rant but yeah.. they can do much much better and I wish they did, the game has so much potential but since they know they can milk their players without going all out they settle for that and it’s a shame
@@Yuuria_ your comment deserve more likes. There are tons more issues but your comment highlight some of the most glaring issues with Genshin. I also appreciate the bit about loving the game but don’t be too blinded and not seeing said issues. It seems often people forget about these issues and have come to terms with it. Just a quick comment of mine.
@@eumeliaria7081 Thanks! I usually get labeled as a hater but I'm glad it didn't happen this time. I just truly believe that the game can be so much more, even the working shell we have right now is enough to have a good deal of fun but it's obvious to see that they aren't trying nearly as much as they can and it's mostry because the community is just down for whatever happens. The bar has been set so low that anything is fine for many people.
This is the first time I've seen an overly loyal fanbase being a hindrance to a game's progression.
On another note, today I rolled the Vortex Vanquisher so I'm extra sad LOL, it's beyond me how they reworked Zhongli due to popular demand but forgot to change his weapon accordingly so now the weapon isn't even good on him, the signature character; if only they fixed it but I don't really see them doing it.
To conclude though, thank you for the kind comment, I really appreciate it! ^^
One thing I would see as a huge improvement is if her hold E doesn't require you to channel fully to use. That means we could do hold E on smaller AOE hence quicker casting time. Shorter CD from shorter channels would also be nice.
Yeah, something like that would be quite nice, in situations where you are fighting really close targets you could deliver insane damage numbers with almost no charge time
That combined with her c6 would make her a really nice nuke style sub dps
This is what made my attempts to play her end very quickly. I was shocked this wasn’t a thing with her
that's how I thought she would work the first time I saw her
My first main and now only Buffer and Debuffer her ULT+C4 is so good to bad she's rarer than 5 star unit hope they give Lisa spot on some banner i am willing to pay Mihoyo...
The rarity of Lisa's constellations and the fact that her c6 is the most busted thing on earth after Ganyu's makes me soooooo sad
I have C2 Lisa and man she is a good support if built well
she's never gonna have a spot on a banner bc she's a story character along with kaeya and amber
Just buy cons from the paimon shop ????
@@Citrin1s excuse me sir you high?
I really wonder if the backlash for putting the starter trio on some event banners would actually be that huge at this point. Most players love Amber, Kaeya and Lisa, at least as characters, and it would do a lot for them. Alternatively, free Stella Fortunas would indeed be a great solution. Or maybe their odds could be boosted in the standard banner.
It's also really inconsistent that those three are not put on banners since every player has them, but other free characters exist (Barbara, Xiangling, to an extent Noelle) that do get put on banners.
They should give the stars as rewards for completing their hangout storylines. That way while their free theres still an element of working for them. I understand not doing that for paid for characters but for free characters there should be a way to gain them same as traveler. It not only introduces the hangout mechanic but gives you an initial reason to actually do it. Iignored the hangouts for so long until i did them purely for the primos
@@corhydrae3238especially when HSR devs had no problem with including March, Dan Heng and Serval in the event banner
I’m a Lisa main and honestly her skill is so powerful but her being electro and having to apply stacks is too slow but she can dish out some strong damage with c6 and a shield
If you could abuse her c6 ability with klee swap ability, we could create instant overload and max stack just by switching.
@@wahyuwirawan727 I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but her C6 itself does not apply electro, only the skill stacks. You'd still need to either press E or Q on Lisa to overload.
You can overload and superconduct and best unit is Xiangling cause she can provide off field pyro and you can use Amber as support cause she can provide distraction so enemies can be in AOE while not attacking Lisa and having both of them provides pyro resonance :D Hope this helps! Btw I am also Lisa main
Im new to this game. Is she worth investing in? Looks cool to me
@@rastislavrutta9592 well she isn’t that good of a unit cuz her attacks are pretty slow and her kit is overall a lil bit clunky but if u have her c6 it literally negates all of this
Even tho she is electro and blvlavla she has the second highest damage scaling in the game on her skill
The thing with Lisa is I think a lot of people know she’s strong. They just don’t have the constellations to enable it.
Since we have a "Why everyone plays" for Zhongli, why not one for Raiden?
Her rerun may arrive in the next update
Well she is preety much the first *released* character that actually powercreeped the whole game and since genshin players only cares about damage thats why they play her
@@raulfigas20 wasn't that Zhongli during his initial release? I remember people being pretty mad before he got buffed haha
@@raulfigas20 Yeah but everyone thought she was garbage until C2 during her banner.
@@Gxmwp They were mad because of how lackluster he felt and how he was marketed as a dps despite being a support character.
@@shidzenrekun lemme add on to this dps thingy. His supposed signature weapon is a 5 star ATK% Substat that stacks more ATK% with the passive. Vortex Vanquisher, it's quite eh compared to other 5* polearms but dang does it look good on him
I've used her for a good year now and actually like her a lot. She feels different than other characters, a bit slower and floatier, but once I got the hang of her and the mid-range playstyle of catalyst users she was a blast! Having her and Kaeya makes oceanid a breeze, hands down the best antidote to the flying birds. Also as someone who actually has her at C6 as a by-product of my Kaeya-simpery I love swapping her in, hold E and destroy everything ⚡⚡⚡🌹 I highly recommend teaming her with Noelle for the shield and Jean, because she is her wife and they deserve to go on adventures together.
everything about this comment is great
Kaeya and Lisa are my go to for oceanid aswell
I wish to one day find the will to roll for the beginner character constellations
I'm trying to reach 1000 fates (I probably won't reach it but, I'll try and hopefully end up with something around the hundreds) so maybe I can make about 100 standard fates
@@formyagerestriction6708 1000?? That is a huge level of commitment and resistance. Props to you, hope you fulfill your goal!
@@moonawilks8240 I have wayyy too many characters and have ignored building them until now, so I have a lot of distractions
In my personal experience, I ditched her as fast as I could ‘cause of her overall feel. Her attacks feel slow and “floaty”, not as snappy and responsive as other catalysts - even Ninguang, who also is kinda slow, feels way better. It’s not even actual timing, it’s mostly animations.
As a Ningguang main, I wouldn't say Ningguang is slow. Perhaps you aren't holding forward for animation canceling? The only time she or most other characters feel slow (aside from Lisa) is when the game is set to 30 fps, but then everything feels like it is chugging. Ningguang has like an 8s downtime of auto-attack after her skill, burst, skill attack chain, which may also make her feel slow (during that down time, spool up support and switch to sub-dps for a few hits or just Venti Vortex to make best use of Ningguang's small AOE on her auto-attack).
honestly if you dont cancel that is 100% true
@@pyro226 I hold forward on Ningguang and I still think she is the slowest and clunkiest of all Catalyst users, this coming from a Klee main
@@pyro226 animation canceling makes her perform better, yes, but she still FEELS slow. It’s not about actual dps, it’s about the way character feels. MHY probably wanted to make her look graceful and regal, and she does, it looks really nice, but it’s not really working when actually playing her.
@@bloody4558 I haven't played enough Klee, but Ningguang is definitely has better movement and attacking than Lisa. Ningguang's movement skill where charged attacks don't consume stamina and better homing gives her the edge on most catalyst users.
i'm really hoping that lisa will finally enter the meta with yae's weapon. If it works with lisa's press E it would be INSANE.
enter the meta is probably not gonna happen in the same way that characters like zhongli, ayaka, ganyu, raiden, hu tao, etc are in the meta. But being viable is very possible, similar to how noelle got a massive buff with itto’s weapon and artifsct set. Itto is still better, but noelle is also insane now.
@@larryxiang822 Funny enough based on my napkin math if you had enough primos to either draw Itto OR Redhorn and you had c6 Noelle you actually would've gotten a slightly bigger DPS boost from drawing Redhorn and putting it on Noelle. The difference is very slight (less than 5%) but I was still kinda surprised by it. Of course if you have both then Itto is way ahead.
@@larryxiang822 Talking about noelle she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps and getting noelle's constellation is so easy she also appears in paimon's bargain. And of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star
@@amberbestdps2048 oh my that is some terrible logic
"she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps"
do you even know what subdps means? Sub dps = dps from off field. Good luck getting significant dmg from noelle off field
Healer? Barely. The heals arent just extremely low (cant even outheal corrosion in most scenarios) it's also inconsistent (50% per hit unless you're in burst). Oh, not only that, but you also need a stupid amount of field time for those small heals
Shield? Ehh, kinda. The shield downtime makes it useless for anyone except noelle.
The only way to play noelle is as main dps. And guess what? Her damage output isn't even average.
"getting noelle's constellation is so easy"
LMAO that's blatantly false. having 1 extra copy of noelle doesnt make the next 6 noelles "easy"
"she also appears in paimon's bargain"
No shit literally every 4 star appears there
"of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star"
At this point you should just let yourself out. That's stupid on so many levels.
Itto's dps is far worse than xiangling's for example. Xiangling is a 4*. Some of the best characters in the game are 4 stars. Your point is just wrong yet again
noelle isnt underrated, she just sucks.
"insane" yeah nah ttods is still a better option lmfao
Awesome video!! A note from a Yanfei main though: I think the biggest problem with catalyst users is the fact they don't *feel* powerful. I adore Yanfei because she *feels* like she's doing a lot of damage with her charged attacks, with the big sound effects and the hammer of judgement. I've noticed that many, if not all, other catalyst users don't *feel* powerful, even if the numbers on the screen are gigantic, i.e Ningguang, I've seen plenty of videos showcasing her amazing damage at high talent levels, but I have Ningguang and I hardly touch her. The fun factor is a major part of gameplay, and when I pulled first pulled Yanfei, I couldn't swap off of her because of how awesome she felt to use. I also remember using Klee in her story quest, and I remember being really disappointed, cause I'd heard that Yanfei is just a budget Klee, and after using Klee, I definitely feel like Klee is just expensive (worse) Yanfei.
yanfei's also just really clean to use, her charges are very smooth in comparison to other dps like ningguang or klee. and her constellations make her more comfortable to use but they don't feel necessary.
I agree that Klee is clunky (although there are ways to overcome it) but Klee's charged attack animation is literally an explosion? How does that not feel powerful?
@@timefortakeoff1447 It's more to do with the sound effects for me, cause Yanfei has a big like "BOOM" sound and Klee's is quieter and slower.
@@riottalisman4786 klee's visual effects look cooler for me though and the wayshe topples large enemies like lawlachurls too. I think people not liking catalysts has to do with the fact that Klee, despite being a dps cannot vape properly with xingqiu because of her over Pyro application and ningguangs burst jades and charged shots go into the ground/sky and don't hit the enemy properly. Yanfei, I don't think she has any problems or inconveniences except being stamina hungry at c0 but she's not broken by any means, shes fine. It also has to do with the scaling. None of the catalyst dps as of now have broken multipliers whereas every other weapon type has atleast one or more. I've seen so many people going for yae miko because she's said to be strong.
Yanfei is really cool but i feel like she's just too expensive for being a four star I have issues regarding her hp and she needs so much energy recharge and takes a lot of stamina for her charged attack rather than that she's pretty amazing i absolutely love her playstyle and she used to carry my team
I've been using Lisa as a support ever since i started playing, and I don't think i'll be switching her out anytime soon. I love her play style, and she feels so much better to play than any of the other electro characters. I use her for electro charged reaction with Xingqiu and it works very well for me
I just finished building my Lisa, nothing to crazy but it still surprises me every time I hit 10K per charge attack.
10K per charged attack is not huge, even Amber can hit 10K easily.
given Lisa has highest charged atk multiplier, you might wanna get your build reviewed by Lisa Mains discord/ subreddit
@@thelookofdisapproval8234 To be fair Amber can amplify and Lisa can not.
@@RuneKatashima I never said I was talking about Melt or Vape dmg.
My amber hits 12k per headshot, with a 3* bow,
with Vape she hits 17K to 25K,
with Melt, she hits 29k to 32K
Highest I've hit with her is about 73K+ with bennett and sucrose buffs
i have been maiming amber for a while (she’s slow af) and she does 10k per charged without buffs, so the free ones can be effective too lol
@@thelookofdisapproval8234 umm ok
She's a character that has a sort of learning curve. You have to get used to the feeling and coordinate/time her rotations perfectly, but once you get that down she's so good with EC. You also need ideal weapons and teammates, so not a lot of people can maximize her
This one time I played with a Lisa in Co-op with a C2 Zhongli and every 5 seconds I kept seeing a purple 90k flash on my screen 😭
Put her with xiangling , Kokomi and zhong li in abyss. She's deadly with Kokomi.
@@zkart8038 time to build lisa!
@@zkart8038 this my team but replace xiangling with Raiden. Perfected my rotations for them only recently
@@zkart8038 With 2p Glad and 2p Thunder?
@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. I put her on 4 oc thundering fury because her reaction damage gets really high if you got 300+ ele mastery on her dps build.
As a C6 Lisa main, I can tell you: she can deal some hard dmg.
I know most ppl think of her just as a climbing meme, but really, with enough effort she becomes a beautiful off-field or even on-field dmg dealer
Wait...C6? How?
Have her at c5 myself and I agree wholeheardtedly :D
@@engweiminhi
Screenshots or didn't happen.
@@thewanderingartists how tf are you gonna post screenshot in youtube??
Imagine if Lisa got a colossal buff when the Sumeru update rolls around. You know she's gonna have a decent amount of screen time during the Sumeru story since she's originally from there.
She's actually from mondstadt (hence her name) but studied in sumeru when she became a grand mage. Im hoping they get buffs. Like kaeya from khanriah
She's probably going to have tons of deathflags just to lol nope everything anime protagonist style like Kazuha.
Lisa is the most complex character you've ever encounter because there are so many of her kits that doesnt get explained in-game and u have to experiment it yourself to understand how good she is
1. Conductive Stacks. Instead of tap E for 3 times, u can just give Pyro/Cryo aura to enemies first then swap to Lisa to tap E once, the Conductive Stacks will automatically added by 3 and it'll be spread out to nearby enemies. If you understand this, her c6 is not mandatory anymore (but hey, C6 is for flexing :3)
2. Her hold E has really wide range. You can just hold her E and accidently hit enemies way above or way low of your Lisa. She'll even hit any hiding enemies that you missed with your eyes (even the invinsible one, only if they are in Lisa's range when she hold her E)
3. Yae Miko isn't *5 stars Lisa, she is 5* stars Fischl. Yae and Lisa have different kit. The only thing they share on similarities are they are catalyst user and female. Yae is more dealing constant damage per second while Lisa dealing high burst damage on their E. Yae's Q is burst yes, but required high energy cost unlike Lisa's burst ability on her hold E. Lisa's burst is one of the best debuffer out there since it shred enemies' def by 15%.
4. Her best Constellations are C1 and C4. C1 for energy recharge purposes and C4 for her burst to spread out to 3 more enemies. Makes it really good for mobs.
In the end, her downfall is that she is one of the starter char, and everytime new char get release, she will fall behind even more. Only the true simp will stay by her side, like me
What's hold E mean on mobile
@@dontaskmeforusernamehold skill
thank you
Hi! as a lisa main i ve been waiting for this vid for a while and want to share a tip about her tap E conductive stacks since it has ALOT of hidden mechanics!
Her tap E has a small aoe that can be used to apply the stacks for clumped up enemies, however, triggering overload/superconduct can add 2-3 stacks instantly!
So her bread and butter combo is this:
-apply pyro/cryo to a single enemy
- use an anemo unit to group them up
-use a single Lisa Tap E
- watch as ALL groupped up enemies gain 3 stacks
- Use lisa hold E for massive damage :)
this doesnt work with electro charged because it doesnt have an "explosion" when triggering it.
so yeah C6 lisa is cool but its not necessary at all to make her smoother as u can instantly get 3 stacks with a single tap E.
Curious why the explosion matters? Wouldn't the stun from electro-charged work on mobs who don't have shields?
That's very true, that's what I sometimes do as well
@@ingenuitypulse6254 I dont really know tbh. sadly the stun from EC doesnt do anything for spreading stacks. it has to be an explosive reaction
Thanks. Very helpful.
I wish Lisa was more akin to Ningguang. Ning is a 4☆ with 5☆ dps. She's an amazing burst support or main dps, gets on main banners, and her normal atk can be animation canceled.
literally any normal attack can be animation cancelled
ningguang's dps is pretty much single target yet still worse than even yoimiya's, unless you're talking about damage in like 5 seconds which is unrealistic regardless
burst support? what? her burst has 0 support capabilities lmfao what are u on
you mean burst dps?
also, if "gets on main banners" is your argument for ningguang being good, you're just desperate.
I use Lisa I really like her and she is underrated :D
@Amber best dps never said she wasn't, just stated I wish her normal and charge attacks were a bit quicker. Her skill's concept is cool. Just wish it didn't CC her in place.
@@dkrise6738 No, I was just giving my opinion on Lisa that she is underrated
@e normally I wouldn't bite on an obvious troll but, what the hell I'm bored.
1) Ningguang + Prototype Amber turns her into burst support. Add the right artifacts and the fact her elemental skill blocks projectiles and she is a really solid support. (Builds available on youtube) Before you say bullshit, I use her in my mono Geo Itto team before I got c4 Gorou as a healer to counter rift hounds.
2) Animation canceling is not good game mechanics. It's a shitty way to bypass shitty designs
3) Ningguang's attacks after c1 or c2 become AOE allowing her to not be strictly a single target dps
4) Reliably getting constellations is what makes most 4☆ usable. Some people have spent $4k+ on this game without getting a single constellation for Lisa, Kaeya, or Amber. Ningguang showing up on banners makes it a million times easier to obtain constellations for her even as f2p. That's not desperation, that's just a fact.
The only character I see benefiting from support lisa now is eula. Anyone else just seems like she would cause more harm than good.
This is just my speculation but we'll see if Ayato Kamisato might benefit from Lisa depending on his kit.
@@ingenuitypulse6254 From the leaks it seems Ayato benefits from vape teams since he deals single instances of big hydro dmg, he’s not like Xingqiu, Childe, Kokomi or Mona who can constantly apply hydro so I doubt he’d benefit from possible taser comps
@@zodiacsagittarius344 Ah, thanks for the info.
Well... her burst is high cost and she reduces defence and she brings in a lot of energy. I tend to use her with my Raiden sometimes. I would say Lisa is Yae Miko with backwards skills and Yae works well with Shogun from what I've seen
Raiden is also one who benefits from Lisa TTDS Lisa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre C6 Sara
A fun fact about Lisa's conductive stacks, you can apply more than 1 stack, in a large aoe, if the E triggers overloaded or super conduct, meaning she only needs 3 seconds to get the 1k% charged E damage
May you explain this more detail, please
@@АК-32ОлексійКозакевич They mean if you use the press version of her elemental skill it it triggers superconduct or overload, the AoE explosion of the reactions will apply one conductive stack on the enemies hit, so if you use it just 3 times that way she'll have max power damage for her held elemental skill.
As a Lisa main, I am very excited to see this :D
Seconded, so far Lisa is one of my heaviest hitters, though my Diluc and Yoimiya are close. They'd probably be better than her if they had some better artifacts lol
@@kylestreet7641 Ayyo I have Yoi as the sub dps on my Lisa team 👁️👁️
Me too (i have to gloat that i just got her c2 :D) Lisa is such a perfect character for me, i love the playstyle, but the lack of damage is a little underwhelming.
Count me in.
Same, I have her as a sub dps with my Yanfei! She definitely has a few minor issues tho, I wanna see if any of my problems with her get mentioned
She's actually one of my favorite characters, I don't use the typical set ups that pros suggest. I just overload machine gun with Lisa and Yanfei because I'm an ape. I had no idea that's what her E did, I always thought it would apply electro when she was off field or something so I will be sure to try it out.
As I always say, they should just massively upgrade the constellations of the free characters to make them on C6 as strong as every other C6 4*, Lisa's are good but should be even stronger to balance her weak C0 kit out. Then feature them just like any other 4* in event banners from time to time or give them a higher rate on the standard banner or make a 3rd Paimon's Bargain slot only for those 3.
Good old Pot of Greed joke :D
7:26 Pot of Greed was so good that they banned it from usage in official capacity. Though Pot of Avarice might be better depending on your deck, but Pot of Greed was such a good card in general that it outshone everything else.
In short, this comparison hits hard for Genshin's current state for character building. 🤣
Im a lisa main so im excited to see this!
Edit: I Love Lisa as a character and i enjoy her play style. I have her crowned, lvl 90 and 5 star book,
She's a Main DPS with her team being Zhongli, Xaingling and Sucrose :)
Hah I have the same team in abyss except Kokomi instead of sucrose.
In regular game I replace xiangling with yanfei.
Her VA playing as her was the reason I played the game, also took me a year to play her with good resource. She and Rosaria became my current team combo, including Jean and will add Shenhe as a switch with Beidou for pure Ara Ara team.
that is a valid reason, just play for fun XD
Happy to see some play just for the hell of it. People get too much focused on meta that they lost sight of what a game's true purpose is
@@peekafch I'll try and make a vid just in case, sad I forgot to post most of the shenanigans I recorded in YT.
@@oienu It is a game to start with, it's best to find enjoyment in any form.
I actually use Lisa in my geo team thanks to the shield giving her an easy way to use her elemental skill combined with her ult reducing enemy defense for my noelle to go ham
I love how your subtle Like and Subscribe promo popped up but then got covered by an actual ad...
It is interesting, that from what we see of Yae Miko, she feels like reversive Lisa. Her elemental skill is smaller copy of Lisa's burst, which can be applied much easier due to 3 stacks, and her elemental burst is unconditional burst of damage. We still don't know about her constellations, but to my mind Lisa will be forever powercrept by Yae after she will be released.
It's not powercreep if Yae's a more accessible 5-star
She’s a starter and yae is a limited 5*.
The fuck are you even comparing them for?
When Raiden released they "randomly" decided to nerf Lisa's energy generation.
They really just hate their own starters lol
I agree with the first part. Yae uses em for DMG bonus. The skills are reverse, Yae has really short range and Lisa's is a bit long, the cd also fit. But I genuinely think they are very different from each other, but I love them both and will use them together.
Yae’s kit is much more similar to Fischl, her skill drops turrets that do periodic, high electro damage, and her burst does high AoE electro damage that resummons 1 totem.
Currently Lisa’s main competitor is actually Sara as a buffer in Raiden teams. Lisa with Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer’s is actually better than C0-5 Sara according to theorycrafting calculations, and is still competitive with C6 Sara. For a Raiden Hypercarry comp Lisa is actually one of the better choices, though TTDS definitely carries her.
Nothing changes the fact that she is still a mommy 🫠
Her E is real clunky especially without shield, her damage is good but not good enough to be worth using offensive catalysts over TTDS most of the time, EM ascension stat is generally bad for her, Electro has no good exclusive 4-piece artifact set (like crimson witch, heart of depth, blizzard strayer) and finally she really wants to get C4 (biggest dps increase with even quadratic scaling) and C6 (makes her less clunky) but suffers from the same curse as Amber and Kaeya.
Making her hold E need way less cast time and press E bounce more generously so grouped enemies can easily get 2 or even 3 stacks without much setup would honestly fix her worst issues. Making her press E have almost no cooldown would also make her less clunky since waiting for hold E is awkward.
Electro 4 set makes her hold E CD bascally 7s ngl
It doesn't add quadratic scaling. Just aoe scaling. Lisa will still do the same damage to each unit, she just does it to more units. Quadratic is when they do the same damage to each unit *per* each unit affected by it.
Like if lisas hitting 5k Q ticks. Add a 2nd unit and shes hitting 5k still. Just on 2 units. Netting her 10k total damage and still doing the same damage to the original unit. Quadratic would be if she had 2 units so her 5k tick turned into 2 separate 5k ticks per unit. Making her do 10k to each of 2 units netting 20k total. Or 3 units each taking 5k 3 times, netting 15k to each of 3 units for 45k total damage.
The reason swirl, childe, and ganyu get quadratic is cause they spawn AoE attacks onto individual enemies that can hit other enemies. Making each enemy take damage from the enemies around them effectively. one aoe anemo tick triggering swirl on 5 grouped enemies makes each enemy take 5 swirls. Not 5 different enemies taking one swirl each. In lisas case it just makes her pulses themselves do aoe damage practically. With a target cap. Is all. Which is still a massive bonus. the best she gets. But its not quadratic.
Quadratic requires you to have an AoE that *spawns* more AoEs on a per target basis that can overlap onto enemies that are in the original aoe.
@@thatrashcan9993 It DOES add quadratic scaling, just remember that Electro reactions are AOE, her charged E skill allows you to immediately cause more EC or Overload reactions in a group of enemies in one single application than any other character could ever hope to match. Now, it is true that they have a limit to how many enemies can be affected by one single reactions and that is on of the many problems holding electro back.
@@thatrashcan9993 Her Q has a small AoE on each zap. Since with C4 you can get up to 3 discharges at the same time, if enemies are grouped it's quadratic scaling. It's worse than Ganyu's in several ways though.
Edit: just to further prove my point, these are some quotes from Keqingmains' Theorycrafting Library:
"Discharges from Lightning Rose have a small AoE on impact. In tight enemy groups, a lightning bolt can deal damage to multiple enemies at once."
"In tight enemy groups, Plasma Eruption can quadratically increase the damage of Lightning Rose due to the AoE of each lightning bolt released." (When referring to C4)
library.keqingmains.com/characters/electro/lisa
Agree and what sucks is her big dmg which is hold E has 16s cd, that’s already equivalent to a Q skill which others have stronger and rn w/ proper rotation most teams don’t suffer from energy issues. For comparison Raiden Q has 18s cd excluding electro infusion, outdamages Lisa’s E and batteries the whole team. Lisa’s hold E cd shouldn’t be that long
Of many of the unpopular characters, I believe the problem not to be their kit, but the metagame itself, basically everyone tries to pair them with the usual units, Bennet, Kazuha, etc., Maybe the problem is that we need to play differently with different compositions than the ones we are accustomed to see an play. Example: Ningguang (favoniuous) + Yelan (Favoniuous) + Lissa (Thrilling tales) + Noelle (unga bunga). Great videos !
EXACTLY, Bennett,Kazuha and Xiangling *are not* the only characters in the game. People need to stop tunnel visioning on those op supports.
I did start playing Lisa on my alt, and got few things out of expirience...
She isn't very intuitive, it took my friend who is a Lisa simp to explain me that you stop holding her E after she laughs, not wait until it hits by itself...
Can't really play her without a shield, it is very annoying and if the enemy is strong actually deadly...
Her stacks seem to go away too fast...
Overall I do still want to level her on my main, but she is in the bottom of the list of characters who I am leveling...
"They should to get some serviceable 4 stars in there" me with my fully built noelle dominating spiral
EVERY time I see this I get so hyped and instantly click on it, only to remember it hasn’t premiered yet…
Vars: maybe catalyst is only good for supports
Wanderer: Allow me to introduce myself.
I really enjoy using her
Except the fact that her E takes forever and she keeps being interrupted
Thank you for actually informing Lisa's weakness layer by layer. It gives me ideas on how to play her better.
Recently I'm feeling bored playing Ei, Fischl, and Razor, and also have built Kaeya, Amber and Xiangling, so I tried building Lisa to lv 69 for second talent.
I must say her challenging playstyle is so much fun to use in coop, where I can make use of my teammates as bait. In the meantime, I can spam Q and E consistently from far away, so it's all good. 😂
Ofc the biggest challenge being Lisa is that not every player welcome a lv 69 Lisa, so sometimes they'd just kick me out the party or laugh at her.
I always ran her with the Widsith and pair her with Xiangling to fully take advantage of the weapon's passive.
Funny enough, a TCer I know have discovered Lisa's viability in Raiden. She can substitute for Sara and is even better than pre-Sara C6 from the calcs.
She provides ttds and def shred and her burst energy problem are solved by Raiden.
i love these videos and i havent seen any other content creator try to do them! WNOP is my some of my favorite genshin creator content and I love how well you do them and how you maintain objectivity in your assessments. i could very easily see some creators turning the idea of WNOPs into "this character is trash" and you really successfully manage not to. Keep up the good work!
I just wanna say that Lisa and Mona's synergy is *chef's kiss*. Mona's E attracts enemies and keeps them closer to eachother + applies hydro. Mona's burst prevents enemies from moving and adds additional dmg. Add Kaeya and Bennett in here and u got a bomb team. It was mine for a long time, and still haven't found one that synergizes as well.
7:38 this is why in most games you want to prioritize dps over dph (damage per hit) its also why people tell you to get a 1:2 crit ratio.
Dendro changed things completely. Once neglected, my Lisa now is level 80, Talents 7/7/8, and full elemental mastery.
She is fun to play. I put ER on her so her Lighting Rose burst 3 to 4 times per domain cycle.
I believe Lisa is much better now, after the addition of dendro.
Before the video start:
- Lisa would be one of the starter char that i actually want to build and still waiting for a reason to build her.
- Having a def shred in her kit already as a passive, not constellation, which make her seem really valuable to me (it like a budget c2 for Raiden and budget c6 for Yae)
- But Lisa have quite a few problems ngl, i think the main problem with Lisa is her E cause it took too much time to charge up and really clunky to use. Her Q aoe is also bit small (atleast it bigger than Amber) but keep knocking back enemy away which is kinda a problems in certain scenario
- Lisa constellation does solve some of her problem but getting them is a whole problem on it own
- The only thing i can think of to help her would just rework her E, make it easier to use, to build stack and quicker to use as well or make her press E able to generate particle. If her E got improve, she would be a great pick for not just mono electro team but many quick swap team as well that just how good i think her def shred is
After the video:
- Great video as always
- you definitely touch on all of her problems
- She is definitely one of those char that just 1 small fix away to be really good
- Our only hope for char like this would be smh in the future mhy release something like a rank up quest from fgo or awakening quest that raise level from 90 to 100 that will give char alternate skill or passive that would replace old one. That will help out a lot of the unpopular 4 star or even weaker 5 star (mostly the standard one)
raiden c2 ignore def... not def shred, just telling :v
@@ren_MY i know that why i said "it like a budget c2 raiden", mean it kinda a similar and downgrade version of raiden c2 but not exactly the same ofc. Different method but similar outcome, that why i said it was a budget version. The cool thing is Lisa def shred is still good combo with Raiden c2
Example: i don't know how dmg is calculate in genshin but this is how i see:
- if an enemy have 100 def and Raiden c2 ignore 60% def that mean only 40 def of the enemy will be up against Raiden atk
- if there is a char able to 60% def shred an enemy then the enemy only have 40 def left against an atk
-> basically different method but similar outcome (ofc if the way they calculate dmg is different for both def shred and ignore then i would be wrong)
@@jakeail1995 ahhh I see... anyway thanks for the explanation!
tbh lisa works really well in builds with eula or razor since youre gonna be focusing on superconduct and she's both a great app but also an er and debuffer
@@jakeail1995 id say lisa is a tradeoff to raiden C2. Yeah its a smaller shred than her ignore, however it does apply to the entire teams damage, reactions included. Raidens only applies to her personal talent % damage.
Also while Lisa shred is welcome on a C2 Raiden cause of course its nice extra, its actually less effective on her than other units. The reason defense shred is so good is cause it hits a part of the damage formula almost no one touches. Making it an almost straight gain with no diminishing returns. Raiden not only hits that part of the formula, she hits it in a way that its actually hit by diminishing returns even worse than if raiden had just shredded 60% instead of ignoring 60%.
The math to show this is lets just use 1000 defense as an example for easy math. Lisa would shred that to 850 defense. Thats nice. Raiden would ignore the 1000 down to the point its basically 400 defense correct? Okay so if they both just shredded itd effectively be 250 defense theyre left with because 75% shred. However raiden ignores instead of shredding. So lisa shreds it down to 850 and then raiden ignores 60% of that because defense ignore applies after and reads whats currently on the enemy's "stat card" which would be the already shredded defense. The 850. And taking a % out of a smaller number naturally nets you a smaller amount removed. Raiden is effectively ignoring 510 of the 850 because thats 60% of 850. Meaning theyre at 310 defense to raiden's attacks instead of the 250. She already had them at basically 400. So its not nearly as much of a gain to raiden as it is to other characters cause raiden already ignoring defense. Making lisa effectively shred only 90 extra instead of the 150 she does for other units not including that its on a defense stat youre already ignoring most of. So shes doing less shred combined with that part of the formula already being at diminishing returns.
Now, extra is still extra so its not like thats bad. But the shred just scales worse with a C2 raiden than it does with other units. Kinda like how bennett scales poorly with hu tao, noelle and itto. Raiden C2 puts def so far into diminishing returns on top of it stacking inverse multiplicatively that lisa's shred just doesnt do as much. For that same reason tho thrilling tales does alot for raiden especially at c2 while shred is still shred. Making lisa a great raiden support either way.
Lisa is less a good C2 raiden support from shred being good and more because shes one of the only units that provides something else on top of thrilling tales, making her just automatically better than other tales users. And even moreso for a C0 raiden because then its a raw shred not affected by the diminishing returns and not shaving off of defense already being ignored.
You write a good script. Please lend me your wisdom so I can write a good essay next month.
Being a Kaeya main is suffering because its so hard to get cons for him. I've got him at c3 since Sept '21 which is veeeeery lucky. I feel so bad for all the starter character mains.
Same problem. I have 2 Accounts and both Kaeya's have C0 ... 😕😭
@@Jil1807 the fact that I got two cons from rolling is absolutely nuts. lots of other kaeya mains are much less lucky ):
@@EStarstruck Haha I hope that more Kaeya Main get lucky :D
He's strong, basically cryo Xiangling... but Xiangling only really needs c4 and he needs c6... and yea his cons are extremely hard to get. My Kaeya is at c4 and I've been playing since release, so I'll have him at c6 in another year or whatever lol
I use Lisa while pairing her with Noelle for shielding. Still building her but I get so happy when I see her crit damaging enemies with her 3-stack skill. I do like her personality and maybe her "floaty" fight style and long hold skill matches her "lazy" attitude. Everyone that knows her says she could be captain, but she doesn't want to. She's a "wasted potential". Her crit rate is her mood swings. When she's in the mood to punish naughty boys, and her crit kicks in, boom. When she just wants to stay home and drink tea, say bye to crit rate. Or maybe it's the other way around... the faster she ends the battle, the faster she gets to go back home. Either way, I'm willing to wait for Lisa's constellation because, as a wise one-san once told me: "No pain, no gain."
this was a super interesting watch, i love this series! since you’ve discussed lisa and amber, I’d be really interested to hear your thoughts on kaeya and his kit too :D i don’t think he belongs in the why no one plays series but would love to see his gameplay talked abt!
I really don’t think kaeya should be apart of this series but should make a video on him
@@toots9315 yes definitely agree! :]
Yeah Kaeya deserves a vid too. Noelle and yanfei got one even tho I’m pretty sure they see more use than kaeya
i think lisa, kaeya, and amber should be featured on banners bc other free characters, such as xiangling, collei, and barbara, are featured, so why not those 3?
When I first started my alt account I really wanted to start using characters I never gave a chance to on my main. So when I pulled razor of course I had to use him with Lisa. I pulled a 5 star catalyst early in the game and she was the only catalyst user I had so I used her for a while and she was…okay. She did the most damage for a while bc of her weapon. I leveled her to 70 because I like her as a character and got her talents up to like 4 I think but overall she was so clunky to use, which is a pity, her personality is so fun!
Ahah I'm pleased! Barely get to see anyone talk about Lisa, and I love using her sm, the way you discuss about this is very chef kizz, thanks!
Her E just isn't satisfying. I love her burst and defense shred talent, and she's fun to actively play as.
Standing still to use her skill just stops your momentum cold.
Having her E hold be a channeled ability like Anemo traveler would be fun
her def reduction passive is pretty cool tbh.
Me with my triple crown, C6, level 90, and maxed friendship Lisa: “Oh boy! I can’t wait to find out why Nobody plays Lisa!”
Man I bow before you
@@ThoseFerrets May your Lisa constellations like the proverbial library books be returned to you on time. (u_u)
Luckyyy, I’m building her but I only have a C1 from the standard banner
dendro: gets released
lisa's skin: gets released
players: the past stays in the past
You raise a good point at the end about Catalyst users not being well liked in general. I myself don't like to use them unless they're a support that can hold Thrilling tales or Prototype Amber, but as a dps, they just feel so slow and clunky and I know animation canceliing is a thing, but for a casual its not ideal to learn when far more pratical units exists. They also tend to be very squishy most of the time, unless they're Barbara or Kokomi who are healing tanks. And I have noticed that Whales tend to use their c6 Klee as support to hold Thrilling Tales and Def shred constellation. Be a very interesting to watch your take on the subject manner.
Hm? I see preference is your point even boarding on practicality but in the case of being DPS's I think it takes a heavy investment for some of them.
I love playing Lisa. As another comment mentioned, she feels 'floaty', which is my favourite kind of playstyle. I run her with Xingqiu and Diluc, both of which allow her EM to really shine, especially since I hate farming artefacts.
Mihoyo should make Lisa’s burst similar to Viktor’s ult in league where it follows the enemy. I think it will be a fun idea.
Either that or they could have it work similarly to his Gravity Field. Have every third or fourth discharge that hits the target apply a stack of Conduction and when a discharge hits a target with full three stacks it triggers the stun. That would allow for her Burst to cut down on the wait time to really profit from her Violet Arc damage, while also making her C6 feel all the more powerful to reach by letting Rose immediately proc the stun to flow directly into Arc's channel. Obviously this would give her an incredibly strong damage output at C6, but with the general difficulty it takes to reach that I'd argue it's fair.
On the topic of good DPS four stars, I think Yanfei nails it. Granted, I have C5 on her, but my team of Kazuha, Yanfei, Bennett, and Zhongli is killer
literally any elemental dps + those supports would deal good damage lmfao
please do “WHY EVERYONE PLAYS BENNETT” 😂😂😂😂😂 hes statistically the most picked character in spiral abyss and even i personally can’t craft a team without him
the video would just be, “have you seen him?!”
He is the second now after Kazuha
Fantastic Voyage 👍
Well.There is nothing much to analyze there.The answer is simple.Fantastic fucking voyage.Attack buff,healing,Pyro application,Energy recharge...he has it all.
@@jiyanmehta7250 yeah but there are newbies or idiots out there that refuse to read the character skills descriptions or stick to waifu>meta so much that i think it will be helpful to those people not us already experienced players 😂😂
"Why NO ONE Plays: Lisa"
Me, a Lisa main: aight😔 * disappears *
tazer teams can allow lisa to work sometimes but let's see what you got
yep she’s pretty good in them from my experience. i run her with fischl, xingqiu, and kokomi and she does pretty damn well
I feel like because of her kit consisting of mostly widespread electro, she'd be good for early hyperbloom teams.
I feel like I should change my name to "nobody", because I play (or have plans to build and play) every character reviewed in this series thus far. Yes, even Aloy. I feel like I'm a rare breed of player that derives joy by bringing out the potential of any and all characters in the game, regardless of how much or little they may have.
You're a gigachad.
I want to do the same as well specially the entire roster of The Knights of Favonius. I've built Noelle, Albedo, and Sucrose so far. I really want to build Kaeya and Lisa too. Amber's last on the line 'cause I can't be bothered in that crimson domain. Don't have Eula and Klee unfortunately.
I’m a triple crowned c5 Lisa main actively using her in spiral and clearing it full stars and I can say I was very much looking forward to this video and I 100% agree with what u say I remember seeing her in beta and instantly loving her design and character lore. I feel my love for her is forever strong due to her being underrated compared to any other character since she is a starter character. But yea Tysm for being so respectful and actually be informative making valid point instead of screaming “SHES TRASH” I rly Ely enjoyed this video❤️😊
I remember I used her a lot in earlygame, I really love her as a character and as for usability, well, after getting Raiden I lost any reason to use her but she served me till then. The funny thing is later I built her as a ttds buffer, so she's there.
7:07 are you sure raiden doesnt have as much burst damage?
4p emblem + c0 + the catch alone would outclass lisa's nuke (with full resolve), if not then at the very least c2 raiden + 4p emblem + the catch.
The amount of things I'm fighting on standard banner just to get a single con is criminal. I really wish Lisa would get featured on a limited banner. I would totally wish for her as many times as I can even though I know getting a 4 star is harder. At least the odds are better
Hey at least it would be 16.67% chance to get Lisa on a purple and 33.34% if you lost the 50/50 on the purple first compared to the abysmal probably not even 1% on the standard banner purple.
love this video series as always, and i thought i’d chime in as a lisa main on my second account. characters with problems like them being slow, easy to interrupt, all that sorta stuff can be kinda annoying to use. klee makes me feel like i’m fighting my keyboard to get her to do the things i want! but there’s a lot of value in these characters in the way they really can teach you to be quite skilled. since klee is so squishy and i have no shield on my second acc, i learned how to i frame every enemy attack. amber taught me how to play it safe and from a distance, keqing taught me how to best optimise my stamina, and lisa basically taught me all that at once. even though genshin is a very easy game, i think it’s rewarding to get really good just for the sense of personal accomplishment. i do think that using starter characters and such can make you a better player in the end, and so they have value in not only their personalities and fun factor.
again, really enjoy this series and i can’t wait to watch more
Lisa is amazing
Her damage scale is insane (it's not the best but it's still better then other dps)
And the elemental reactions the damage is amazing superconduct and overloaded are (in my opinion) thr best elemental reaction for electro characters
Electro charged is easily the best reaction for damage on electro characters. And it provides decent CC cause it staggers a little.
Wait a minute. Superconduct is just one of the better reactions for supporting but the reaction itself benefits PhysicalDmg carries so someone like Lisa herself doesn't benefit from it. Electro-Charged & Overload are generally better for Electro units since majority of them are ranged/mid range.
Your video quality is always brilliant, I'm so glad you finally made a video exploring and explaining pot of greed!
the background genshin gameplay was a great addition as well!!
I love using Lisa in my team with Eula. I first shield my team with Diona, swap to Lisa for the burst, and swap to Eula to destroy everything. But I acknowledge that Lisa works there because Eula is doing all the heavy lifting lol
"if you were a day one player you only have lisa at c3". Laughs in 3 lisa pulls in a row.
Imagine if they just made the free characters perma available in paimon shop. Simple change that would make them more viable
I wasn't expecting the Yu-Gi-Oh! bit but you were very, very right about that.
The amount of pain (and primos) I’ve gone through to buy all the starter characters when they come into the shop is immense. I had to scrounge up 34 starglitter every single month between september and november because I’m trying to build amber, kaeya, and lisa. I would be so happy if we could just get them through in game quests and shops like the traveler constellations, then I could finally do stuff like buy other character cons or starglitter weapons.
Why would you build amber? Jk, but you’ve made things difficult for yourself by going for everyone.
Okay listen i know this isn't the topic of the video but you have no idea how HAPPY i got when you pronounced Signora's name the correct way, oml-
I have a soft spot for her cause in early game she was one of the only reasons I got past get Tianque Valley trials
4:48 I thought he was goin to say “we have no shortage of anemo units who can crowd enemies into tight spaces, we just have a shortage of anemo units”
When I played her during Zhonglis trial I was so annoyed by just how long you have to hold her E skill to get the full effect. She's definitely not for someone who prefers a quick swap playstyle and it's sad because I know she can be pretty strong
Lisa holds a special place in my heart. She's the first person to call me a cutie 😢
I would reduce the charge time to 1.5s , reduce her CD to at most 12s , have her CA apply Lighting Rose stacks by default and make her C2 part of her base kit
I'm a simp, I shall continue to use her despite knowing these information 😎
I'm proud to clear the abyss with Lisa and Xinyan my fav 4* units. There's probably only 1 in a 1 000 player that does it and I must say I love you, you other 1 in 1 000 crazy bastards.
Amber charge Shot, traveler swirling enemies together, Lisa presses the Trigger. Early Game I miss you.