End result is very handsome, especially considering you managed this using construction grade materials, which indicates excellent skill and outstanding patience! Thanks for sharing your successful effort.
Wow you are a very talented guy indeed a pleasure to watch your uploads buddy I am going to have a go at your small table you did with the cross members in deffo worth a sub from me take care stay safe from Clive in Nottingham uk🇬🇧👍👍👍👍👍
You can hide your dovetail by leaving one board unglued, stopping your dado and dovetail about a 1/2" from the ends, attach the breadboard, then glue up your last board.
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 Thanks. That idea wouldn't work with the dovetail on the table top like others were suggesting was the "correct" way. I think you did it right. It looks really good. 👍🏻
These are breadboard ends or breadboard joints. I would like to point out some people change a joint to the extent that it no longer is that joint. A method using dominoes has been spreading on the web proclaiming this to be an easy or trick way to make this joint has begun to confuse people. So, on my mighty stead I ride. I find that many people are calling this Dominoe method of producing a Breadboard joint as an easy or trick method, should realize that this isn't a breadboard joint (or breadboard end) anymore. This is one reason it is easier since it isn't the joint anymore. This is a specific kind of joint and using dominoes has varied so far from this joint as to not be this joint anymore. I would also challenge those who think that it is, to consider if one made in the same way with dowels would still be a breadboard joint or if the dowels were totally eliminated and used a butt joint was still a breadboard end. It isn't the application of a board across the grain which produces this joint but the method of joinery, and the reason for doing this joinery in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Dave, this dovetail style joint is probably my least favorite method (that I’ve tried anyway). The stock has to be perfectly flat and it’s difficult to cut it precisely for them to sit together.
@Dave, not to be disrespectful, but I don't understand the reason for your comment. This video is showing another technique for attaching breadboards. Yet you're describing Domino methods of not being a "joint?" What does this have to do with this video? Just curious. A while back, I used the "baggy dowel" with a straight tongue method, on a couple chestnut tables, and saw this technique to be pretty interesting.
@@joequillun7790 I'm using his joint as being an example of a breadboard joint. While the others (dominos) are not. His is an example of this joint for those who think making one with dowels or undersized floating mortises (dominos) is the same joint. I didn't say using dominos is not a joint. I said using dominos and then calling that joint a _whatever_ joint is wrong, especially if you are selling this to a client.
Since the grain runs parallel with the dovetail, isn’t it prone to crack off. Wouldn’t it be better to cut the groove into the breadboard and have the tongue on the end grain of the glue up? Not sure which would be stronger.
That’s a great point, and I do agree! The way I built the frame, the breadboards will be supported by the outside apron, so the dovetail should never have to structurally support any weight, as it should be distributed to the apron and legs. Also, it seemed easier to cut them as I did, although I’m sure it could be done the other way around.. great thought and thanks for sharing!
Possibly, if you're confident in your edge guide and ability to steady the router it could work. Erring on the safety side though, I'm not certain I would recommend or attempt it.
Potentially yes, but I’d use extreme caution if doing so though to prevent any kickback or misalignment by your router. I wasn’t comfortable doing it with only one edge guide personally, which is why I did it this way.
Hi and thanks for these videos. However I do have a question. In place of a dovetail for the breaboard would a standard tongue and grove attachment work too?
You could, but it wouldn’t work without somehow pinning the board in place. The dovetail joint supports the breadboard, a tongue and groove joint would allow the breadboard to fall out
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 maybe a better question: do you think this could be done without standing the piece up on end? meaning, one would be routing the groove on the table while it is flat. thank you for your time.
It would be difficult to keep the router in position with the top laying flat.. I’m sure it’s possible but likely not probably without a jig to keep the router in place. Ive stood the table up and stood on my work bench and done it that way before. Again not very practical but I have done it.
The table is no longer in my possession, but I never heard any issues from the individual that has it now. I don’t see any reason anything should have went wrong 👍🏻
Here’s the link to the set I used: Freud Dovetail Router bit set: amzn.to/3ks1Z0S I used the 22-113 bit in this set (bottom row, third over from the left)
It’s nice to watch a video that actually has very detailed, step-by-step instructions, well done!
Thanks for the feedback! 👍🏻
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 now if only I had seen this video before I glued up my table top it probably would’ve come out way better lol
End result is very handsome, especially considering you managed this using construction grade materials, which indicates excellent skill and outstanding patience! Thanks for sharing your successful effort.
Thanks Mark!
I'll be saving this for future reference.
Nice, thanks for watching 👍🏻
Very effective method buddy, keeping eye on your work and tutorials will improve my skills thank you so much !!👍👊
Thanks Diego! You’re welcome and thank you for watching!
Thank you for showing This with clear introductions! God bless
Thanks for the feedback Ron!
Man!!!!! This is an outstanding video!!! Absolutely awesome..
Thanks David! 👍🏻
you may want to use paste wax on the dovetail next time to make it slide into place easier
Great idea, thanks for the tip!
I definitely need to use this method
Give it a try! I like this method best for breadboards so far 👍🏻
WONDERFUL!
Thanks!
Wow you are a very talented guy indeed a pleasure to watch your uploads buddy I am going to have a go at your small table you did with the cross members in deffo worth a sub from me take care stay safe from Clive in Nottingham uk🇬🇧👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Clive! Appreciate the nice words and thanks for watching & subbing! Good luck with the table build!
Thanks for using a method other than a Domino!
I definitely prefer using the domino now, but this method works as well!
You can hide your dovetail by leaving one board unglued, stopping your dado and dovetail about a 1/2" from the ends, attach the breadboard, then glue up your last board.
Great idea, I never thought of that 👍🏻
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 Thanks.
That idea wouldn't work with the dovetail on the table top like others were suggesting was the "correct" way.
I think you did it right. It looks really good. 👍🏻
Hide a dovetail? Seriously?
@@jameswalsh4056 yep, like a pro.👍🏻
These are breadboard ends or breadboard joints.
I would like to point out some people change a joint to the extent that it no longer is that joint. A method using dominoes has been spreading on the web proclaiming this to be an easy or trick way to make this joint has begun to confuse people. So, on my mighty stead I ride.
I find that many people are calling this Dominoe method of producing a Breadboard joint as an easy or trick method, should realize that this isn't a breadboard joint (or breadboard end) anymore. This is one reason it is easier since it isn't the joint anymore.
This is a specific kind of joint and using dominoes has varied so far from this joint as to not be this joint anymore. I would also challenge those who think that it is, to consider if one made in the same way with dowels would still be a breadboard joint or if the dowels were totally eliminated and used a butt joint was still a breadboard end.
It isn't the application of a board across the grain which produces this joint but the method of joinery, and the reason for doing this joinery in the first place.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Dave, this dovetail style joint is probably my least favorite method (that I’ve tried anyway).
The stock has to be perfectly flat and it’s difficult to cut it precisely for them to sit together.
@Dave, not to be disrespectful, but I don't understand the reason for your comment. This video is showing another technique for attaching breadboards. Yet you're describing Domino methods of not being a "joint?" What does this have to do with this video? Just curious. A while back, I used the "baggy dowel" with a straight tongue method, on a couple chestnut tables, and saw this technique to be pretty interesting.
@@joequillun7790
I'm using his joint as being an example of a breadboard joint. While the others (dominos) are not.
His is an example of this joint for those who think making one with dowels or undersized floating mortises (dominos) is the same joint.
I didn't say using dominos is not a joint. I said using dominos and then calling that joint a _whatever_ joint is wrong, especially if you are selling this to a client.
Since the grain runs parallel with the dovetail, isn’t it prone to crack off. Wouldn’t it be better to cut the groove into the breadboard and have the tongue on the end grain of the glue up? Not sure which would be stronger.
That’s a great point, and I do agree! The way I built the frame, the breadboards will be supported by the outside apron, so the dovetail should never have to structurally support any weight, as it should be distributed to the apron and legs. Also, it seemed easier to cut them as I did, although I’m sure it could be done the other way around.. great thought and thanks for sharing!
Traditional breadboard ends will have a dado and the ‘breadboard’ or table will have the table.
Do you think this would work without that edge guide? My plunge router only had the standard one side edge guide.
Possibly, if you're confident in your edge guide and ability to steady the router it could work. Erring on the safety side though, I'm not certain I would recommend or attempt it.
Would this possibly work with only an edge guide on one side? I have a dewalt router and im not sure ill be able to find one for both sides.
Potentially yes, but I’d use extreme caution if doing so though to prevent any kickback or misalignment by your router. I wasn’t comfortable doing it with only one edge guide personally, which is why I did it this way.
Hi and thanks for these videos. However I do have a question. In place of a dovetail for the breaboard would a standard tongue and grove attachment work too?
You could, but it wouldn’t work without somehow pinning the board in place. The dovetail joint supports the breadboard, a tongue and groove joint would allow the breadboard to fall out
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 . Hi thanks so much . I do appreciate the reply. Eill try the dove tail joint . And I just love the video.
How has the table held up?
It’s not in my possession anymore but I would believe it’s still in great shape
Who is the edge guide made by?
It's from Festool, I believe it's only compatible with the OF 1400 Festool router - here's a link!
amzn.to/3EgPoaq
could this be done on an 8ft long table?
Yes, for sure 👍🏻
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 maybe a better question: do you think this could be done without standing the piece up on end? meaning, one would be routing the groove on the table while it is flat. thank you for your time.
It would be difficult to keep the router in position with the top laying flat.. I’m sure it’s possible but likely not probably without a jig to keep the router in place. Ive stood the table up and stood on my work bench and done it that way before. Again not very practical but I have done it.
It’s been a year, how did it hold up?
The table is no longer in my possession, but I never heard any issues from the individual that has it now. I don’t see any reason anything should have went wrong 👍🏻
What size is the bit and manufacturer
Here’s the link to the set I used:
Freud Dovetail Router bit set: amzn.to/3ks1Z0S
I used the 22-113 bit in this set (bottom row, third over from the left)
@@mmcc_woodshop6288 thank you
Who is the edge guide made by?
It's from Festool, I believe it's only compatible with the OF 1400 Festool router - here's a link!
amzn.to/3EgPoaq