It's not about how hard the character deaths hit you when you're playing, it's about how well the game preserves their memory through the tiny details. This game is one of the most beautiful works of art in the medium.
When I reached 100% in the game and got teleported to Arthur’s grave for John to deliver that line “I guess we’re just about done” I almost cried because I wasn’t expecting it. Then I realized my horse hadn’t teleported with me, so I had to walk all the way to Valentine from Arthur’s grave lol
This also means Tilly was really the one to help bury Arthur because Hosea and Lenny died and were the only two others who heard Arthur’s request. So Tilly must have told Charles.
After all this time I'm still finding details in my latest play through that I've never seen before. At Horse Shoe Overlook if you wait until just after a heavy rain, you can see a huge rainbow spanning the valley below. Tilly will stand on the cliff watching. As you approach she strikes up a conversation about the rainbow with Arthur. Arthur will comment on how maybe there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Just so happens that the left side of it falls perfectly on the sheriff's office in the old burned down town where you can find none other than a gold bar hidden in a chest under the desk. The right side of the rainbow falls on the burned woods where you can find the volatile fire bottle recipe. The rainbow gives you treasure and fortune.
I really appreciate how strange man's hard work and dedication pays off and entertains us and tells me things I don't know about one of my favorite games
Arthurs last moments are also foreshadowed by what he says when talking to Hosea. He says "face me to the west so I can watch the setting sun and remember all the fine times we had that way". But when Arthur is succumbing to TB, he's actually facing east while watching the rising sun. This is symbolic of the character development he underwent during the story. In the beginning (when he had that conversation), all he credits himself with being is a killer and an outlaw. He wants to look west to remember all the times he was able to rob and kill remorselessly. He realizes that the age of outlaws is over. But by the end, he's fully dedicated to helping John and his family start a new life, and he finally accepts that the age of outlaws is over. He looks east during the sunrise to see the new life that lay ahead for his brother.
I think it's mostly that The Strange Man digs often in the game's files and that's why he can solve mysteries and note obscure details the way he does. Though he could have a good eye for detail and references too.
It still is and ever will be! Oh Arthur... i miss you. I would give my soul just too experience this game without the knowledge i have now one last time.
Arthur was still a vicious murderer and outlaw. Lol. Just because he grew a conscience at the end of his life doesn't clear him of who he was all his life.
It doesn't rain in Scarlet Meadows until after you burn the crop fields. Amazing how someone was ale to notice that. The level of detail in this game is insane.
As much as I love all the details in RDR2's BEAUTIFUL open-world, it's great to finally see a video focusing on all the symbolism, subtle pieces of foreshadowing and character details in its main story that makes it one of the richest and most layered in all of gaming - way more than people tend to give credit for despite constantly praising it.
You can really tell that Sam and Dan Houser and the other writers not only thought this out hard but they also thought how gamers would think when it comes to anything. They couldn't have thought of everything and they did miss a couple things like the vampire in the mirror but they did get LOADS of things and loads of them right. This game is truly mindblowing.
I believe Pinkertons keep an eye on the gang even when you are not on a misson. One day I was free roaming around 3rd camp at 3 or 4am in the morning and I saw bunch of dudes on the horses staring at arthur from far distance, and when i tried to approach them, they ran away.
If Arthur had gone ahead and killed Milton and Ross right then and then he would have ultimately caused the downfall of the Van Der Linde gang. Killing them would have caused the pinkertons to replace them with 2 more agents + send and army of agents after them in the same way Ross sent the army and marshals after John in RDR1 and have them all killed in camp. Milton could have arrested and interrogated Arthur at the river but he didn't. Instead he gave him and later the rest of them a chance to surrender Dutch and everyone could walk away and start anew. Killing them by the river or in camp would have shown that Arthur and the others have no heart and wear willing to ignore good offers in favour of their horrible, outdated ways. And they all knew that Milton and Ross wouldn't have approached them without eyes somewhere in the distance watching them to make sure that if chaos did unfold then they could alert Hq of what happened. It wasn't just because Jack was present, it was because Arthur had common sense and so did everyone else.
If anything killing the two leading agents on the Van der Linde gang's case would've led to the Pinkertons doubling their enforcement and hunting them down in a more severe fashion now that they know early on that they're willing to cross that line. Plus whoever replaces Milton could be less forbearing with the gang and want to simply bring them down for all their years of barbarity and violence. Also, while I think Arthur is a very sensible person, I do think the decision was definitely out of protecting Jack first and foremost than some forethought on his part because you could see him about to pull out his gun before looking at Jack and stopping himself.
@@themadtitan7603 This is why I don't really see Milton as the villain or even the antagonist. He's probably the only non corrupt law man in the Rockstar Games universe apart from Hernandez. He gave them chances and he said to Cornwall that he was doing everything he too could hunt and end them within the boundaries of the law. He just a man doing his job and someone who wanted what was best for the world which was civilisation. That comes with it's own problems like he said but those problems are nothing compared to the old ways. I think like Dutch he was put under so much pressure that he was willing to break the rules if it meant result. Killing Hosea could have been an example of that and similar to Dutch when he killed Bronte and further showing that the 2 wear on the direct opposite ends of the spectrum when it came to viewing the world.
@@karlson1589 Dutch, Micah, sloppiness and operating the east where that part of the world is mostly tamed is what caused their downfall. They're smart enough to not kill 2 agents in camp because of retaliation but they aren't smart enough in planning and getting away from civilisation.
“You can see Pinkerton’s lurking around camp in the background” Pinkerton’s: (All around camp) Bill on guard duty: “Who’s there?” One of the Pinkerton’s: “Um…Arthur you dumbass?…” Bill: “Ah, carry on then.”
I got a video of Bill's stupid line, I literally was right in front of him for more than 30 seconds and he's like "WHO'S THERE" Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/Zw_p6Rv6zlw/w-d-xo.html
@@coltonjames7303 actually, you just have to enter the camp and there will always be a guard .... on one occasion it was Bill, and when he saw the horse approaching, he asked "who is there ?" (to be sure it was Arthur) And Arthur answered the question, saying: " ITS ME ARTHUR, DUMBASS"
Arthur didnt kill Ross and Milton to protect Jack. John killed Bill and Javier to protect Jack. Jack killed Ross to honour his guardian angels Arthur and John.
The same way I'd say the series is all centered on Dutch's fight against encroaching government regulation, it's also tied around the story of this young boy who's known nothing but hardship all his life until he lost everything and decided to get revenge for himself.
@@youknowtherulesandsodoi.8082 With Javier it felt less natural, given that he changed more as a result of a retcon to his personality than development like Dutch.
Doubt Arthur crossed Jack's mind once in RDR1 considering he's an asspull for RDR2. Still great character but definitely there by the principal of: "Well RDR1 didn't say there *wasn't* a gang member who saved John"
I literally started crying on the last one. I'm too attached to this characters. Just hearing about their deaths makes it seem like it's the death of someone alive, not just some pixels.
But they were all vicious murdering Outlaws, lady. They got what they deserved. Just because Artur grew a conscience at the end of his life doesn't absolve him of all the heinous crimes and deaths he caused. All the people you have him kill in the game were "alive" and "living people" just as much as he was.
@@Foxfire_forty-nine i mean you got a point but damm they lived a life they probably didn't want, they had to do what they could to survive but mostly you are right they were killers but if they could choose a life of peace they most likely take it.
I've often thought that Micah Bell was based off the famous real-life outlaw, John Wesley Hardin. From his big white hat, to his holsters being set Cross ways, to wielding double-action revolvers, to the fact that he's a crazy murdering psychopaths (Hardin admitted to killing over 40 people in his life), I think the similarities are pretty uncanny. Fun Fact: I'm actually related to Hardin.
I love these little details that are so easily missed! I have a few others little bits to point out actually! In the clip where you highlit/circle the Pinkertons watching over the camp as Micah is telling Grimshaw to pack up things and leave, at 2:45 I originally thought that Micah was glancing over to see Arthur ride back into camp just before he speaks to dutch, but if you look at Micah's head it is tilted WAY to far to the right to be looking at Arthur, I actually think Micah isn't looking at Arthur and is looking at the Pinkertons in the distance since he probably knew they were coming on that day. Don't think so, think he still could be looking at Arthur? Sure, it is hard to tell since Micah is being shot from behind BUT at 3:04 look in the background, Micah turns his head in the direction where the Pinkertons would be standing off screen. Such crazy little details make this game ridiculous sometimes.
If there were pinkertons all around the camp how the hell didJohn get back in.. I don't buy this one. But he has been right about everything else so idk
I finally escaped the grasp of your amazing work on finding these and making "theories" even though you're *totally 100%* a Rockstar employee, but now, you've caught me again. Also, it surprises me that Charles even remembers where Arthur wanted to be buried and exactly how!
I think it's more that he digs in the game's files often and thus has an extensive knowledge on the game inside and out. He could also have a good eye for detail too.
@@themadtitan7603 no not really, most of his works are from redditors and social media users, they give their evidence with proof to him in DMs and he mentions them, go back to his first videos there are many mentions of persons in them, of course he's the head of the snake he's the one that ties down all the evidence together and makes an analogy I won't take that from him.
High-honor version of Arthur Morgan is one of my all-time favorite fictional characters. I can’t remember ever mourning the death of a video game character like I did in RDR2. Nothing compares.
Idk about the pinkertons in the trees, I've seen better Bigfoot videos. Then again he has been right about everything else. What gets me is how did John get back into camp if they were surrounding the area. He was limping it wouldn't have been hard!
Theres something else about Bessie which you missed. In the picture in Pearson shop in the epilogue Jack can be seen as a baby in arms. Jack was born in 1895 and this was when the Van Der Linde gang was still somewhat small. Hosea met Bessie in 1883 and she is nowhere to be seen in the photo. This shows that she must have died around the late 1880's. +That photo shows that a great chunk of the gang didn't meet Dutch until after the golden years of the Wild West.
@@StuartLugsden Yeah, I looked it up. I always though she just had her arms crossed, but after looking closer, I see that you're right, there is definitely something in her arms. It must have been when Jack was just born, since he's so small.
Didn't the ''gang'' started with Dutch and Hosea trying to rob eachother in 1873 with them finding and taking a 13yo Arthur under their wing in like 1876 or 1878? In RDR1 , John mentions he, Bill and Javier grew up together.. with all 3 of them being in their early 20's I would imagine them being with the gang from 1888-1892 , somewhere in that range. I'm not entirely sure about Abigail and Miss Grimshaw, perhaps you can give an estimate about that but I would say at least as long as John, Bill and Javier. Tilly, Charles, Lenny and Micah we know for fact they haven't been with the gang long at all. 6-18 months Hardest for me to say are: Sean, Uncle and the (unseen)Jenny, Davey and Mac Callandar.
@@lunasilvermoon2283 They do mention that Jenny was picked up at about the same time as Micah in the summer of 1898 while they were in the grizzlies north of Tall Trees (outside of the map). Sean can be found in a cabin in tall trees during 1898 (online "stranger" mission) and he will mention that he runs with a gang but he got separated from them a few weeks prior. So we know he was likely with the gang before they picked up Jenny and Micah, but we don't know if it was a few months or a few years before that. Abigail was introduced to the gang by Uncle, so even though he isn't in the picture on Pearson's wall, we can assume that he was the one who took the picture, but again, we don't know exactly when he joined the gang. The Callander boys are the big mystery. There is very little ever said about them... similar to the way there is very little said about Arthur in the epilogue... (hint?). I think one of them will be the protagonist for the next game, most likely Mac.
I don't think it would have mattered if he killed Milton and Ross. The Pinkerton's will just get another 2 agents on the case. Milton only wanted Dutch as he said it a few times.
If anything, killing the two agents leading the case against the gang would've led to the Pinkertons doubling down on their hunt for them and they might've killed all of them when they arrived at camp in Chapter 3, this time with a bigger count.
@@themadtitan7603 The Pinkertons doubling down on their hunt for the Van der Linde gang was inevitable. It’s very strongly asserted that Cornwall had the Pinkertons in his pocket, as the Pinkertons would pretty much work for whoever had the money to hire their services. No matter what happened. Also, the Van Der Linde fought off an army of Pinkertons in a less defendable camp with less guns present at the time. The events of RDR2 would’ve continued as semi-normally. Just without Ross and Milton at the helm.
@@CaptHC Milton and Ross were quite ruthless - potentially, they wouldn't have come to the camp at Chap 3, therefore the gang wouldn't have fled so quickly. If Milton and Ross were dead, it would buy the gang time whilst they got two other agents to get to the same level Milton and Ross were. The biggest one being, that if Milton is dead, then the Pinkertons may have not captured Hosea and Abigail - with Hosea alive, Dutch wouldn't cave into Micah as fast, as well as being able to escape Saint Denis as planned, which would prevent them from going to Guarma - this would stop, or at least slow down Micah being turned into a rat by the Pinkertons. Overall, it'd change quite a few events I believe, especially if Hosea was still alive. Ross' death may have also stopped the events of RDR1 since Micah may have not died in such a way, or the other agents may not have found John.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Disagree, sure they did eventually double down their efforts in the story but that was later on when the gang had crossed path with them several times and were prepared for the attack, unlike chapter 2/3 where they had just fled the law in a heist gone wrong, barely managed out of a blizzard and finally came down from the mountains still haven't encountered the Pinkertons directly much. But still managing to cause such commotion that Milton and Ross found Arthur dangerously close to camp. If the Pinkertons were informed that their two leading men on the case were killed near that spot, they would've probably launched an attack on Horseshoe, now knowing that the gang is willing to cross that line and kill detectives. Even if the gang barely managed it out of there, they'd surely be killed when the Pinkertons come for them in Clemens Point as it wouldn't be a negotiation this time around.
It will be about Mac Callander, they always speak about him but we are never able to see him, rockstar made this since in rdr Arthur wasnt seen o heard about
Hosea's death hit me the hardest. I know Arthur's death was sad, but I really liked Hosea and I had to stop playing the game for a few days after the mission where he dies.
I might found another reference not from a movie, but from a tv show. In the game there's a side mission called "The Noblest of Men and a Woman" (the first of legendary gunslingers stranger mission). A man wants to write a book about the famous gunslinger Jim "Boy" Calloway. When Arthur (or John) enters the saloon the writer is trying to interviewing Calloway about what happend in Sylvia's saloon in 1876. Well, the tv show called Deadwood also sets in 1876, there's a character named Wild Bill Hickok, who is an ex-lawman, and he's also a well-known gunslinger. Not to mention many events in the show takes place at a saloon.
Wow, great video. A friend of mine in a South Florida Porsche shop received a Porsche 924 Turbo that was billed as being a 924 Carrera GT Group 4. After 10 minutes on the lift, and under a flashlight, it was obvious the Boca Raton plastic surgeon was duped or a the criminal himself.... :)
@@martinvr12 I'm still in Chapter 2, but may have run out of the things that can be explored before moving to the next chapter, so I'm considering moving on to the part of Chapter 3 that is blissfully Micah-free!
It’s absolutely insane how 3 years after this game was released, I and many others are STILL learning about all of the details and eastereggs Rockstar packed into this game. Truly this is the game of games.
I haven't played RDR2 ever because I don't have the capability and resources. But, I've watched a lot of Strange Man's content about the game and I've started to love the game because of his videos. Never played, never touched. Thank you for always bringing up wonderful and fascinating RDR2 contents. Much love from PH.
More so than Jack being there, I feel Arthur stopped himself because killing Milton would’ve only caused more trouble Milton approached Arthur and offered him a peaceful solution: Give up Dutch, and you won’t hang. If Arthur had proceeded to kill them both there, the Pinkertons would’ve sent replacements. Replacements that know that trying to reason with them is futile. Replacements that have every reason to hunt them hard and fast. Milton seemed to be more of a by-the-books man, leading him to be slower and more methodical, which gave the gang time to be a step ahead of them. Any replacements coming on the heels of “Arthur Morgan shot Agent Milton” would have a lot more incentive to get the gang than just “They’re outlaws”. For better or worse, keeping Milton alive kept the gang safer. Also, as an aside, if Arthur somehow missed, then Jack might’ve been caught in the crossfire
I wish I had a clip of it, it just happened today while I was playing. Dutch will yell out to Arthur randomly in camp when you're nearby and say that he believes one day Arthur would betray him, because he's that type. I thought it was so weird but neat at the same time
Still no one has commented or made a video about the camp party after saving jack.. it’s repeated every time I’ve tried.. Stick around the party without going to sleep, time completely stops at 3am until a GIANT storm comes out of nowhere, rains for quite a long time until uncle finishes his song.. the storm stops and time continues again only time I’ve seen anything like it 👍
I heard from another comment that Arthur was buried facing East, the rising sun. Said it was supposed to represent his redemption in a way. I'm a bit cloudy on the specifics.
This game is one of few that has the power to bring me to tears, the work that went into this game left it to be so impressive I think this game is the pure definition of a work of art.
Arthur's death is referenced by his horse he lost in the beginning of the game. Hosea mentions Boudicca who was a queen that died from either poisoning or through battle if you follow the writings of Tacitus. Such a deeply layered foreshadowing. Plus everytime Arthur get's asked how he's feeling after beating Mr. Downes he coughs
Hold up. Is that how he gets tb? I just watched the full story of his wife. So Arthur gets sick when he beats the one person who might have had a legitimate excuse for not paying back the money.
Im only new to this game by a month or so, and these videos absolutely helped me understand and get to witness things i would have missed both during and after the story completion. Keep up the hard work!
I always think I know everything there is to know about rdr but then you come with a video proving me otherwise. Love your content. Very entertaining and informative
I think it’s a beautiful game and the irony of agent Ross saying “enjoy your fishing” and that’s where jack meets him (not at the same spot but) years later in their duel just shows how poetic and beautiful this game is created
Arthur got exactly what he wanted in the end, in more ways than just where he was buried. that is if you chose the honourable way. he crawls over to the west side of that cliff and watches the sun set as he dies.
For “dry season” one I wanna add that during the mission “The New South” after you catch the Anderson leader, on the ride back to Rhodes, the deputy tells Arthur how they have a dry season as well. And now that it’s mentioned it doesn’t rain untill after the mission with Sean, I don’t believe it rains at all during the begging missions of chapter 3
It does in other regions. I spend a good chunk of my time hunting and crafting during chapter 3. Spend many a night near Lake Owanjilla when it was raining and hard to spot animals.
I think I need to go back to story mode. It's so imersive and had me in tears at times. I remember the first time I finished it I had rushed through the whole story, so eager to finish it. I need to spend time getting to know the gang better and spend more time in camp.
I still almost cry every time I see Arthur's grave. Having completed the main story after a year of doing side missions first, I grew quite attached to Arthur and my horse, and watching them both die just made me feel like I lost a real person even tho I really shouldn't feel that way about a fictional character.
Ross and Milton finding Arthur the first time references Edgar rosses death... He met Jack Marston who was fishing... And Jack killed Ross while he was fishing.
It's not about how hard the character deaths hit you when you're playing, it's about how well the game preserves their memory through the tiny details. This game is one of the most beautiful works of art in the medium.
Well said
What death hit hardest for me it would be Hosea
@@crustycarrot5860 fr, i legit have a tear in my eye when i saw hosea dies
@@mangkubi i was like hosea no
@@crustycarrot5860 lenny had me crying
When I reached 100% in the game and got teleported to Arthur’s grave for John to deliver that line “I guess we’re just about done” I almost cried because I wasn’t expecting it. Then I realized my horse hadn’t teleported with me, so I had to walk all the way to Valentine from Arthur’s grave lol
Lol you could just camp and fast travel
@@fullor9395 that wasn’t a feature at that time. That wasn’t added till the game had been out for a while.
@@nerdoutreachprogram5358 you could have stole a horse or something
Save and load puts you in the general area with your horse nearby
@@michaelwilson478 that’s good to know.
This also means Tilly was really the one to help bury Arthur because Hosea and Lenny died and were the only two others who heard Arthur’s request. So Tilly must have told Charles.
Yea
Holy shit.
It's possible. Charles didn't mention tilly though, he only said that he went back to beaver hollow after a while and found Arthur's body.
@@superunknown8613 that means Arthur was laying there rotting and possibly being eaten by birds whenever Charles found him..that’s so disturbing
Good hunch 👍
After all this time I'm still finding details in my latest play through that I've never seen before.
At Horse Shoe Overlook if you wait until just after a heavy rain, you can see a huge rainbow spanning the valley below. Tilly will stand on the cliff watching. As you approach she strikes up a conversation about the rainbow with Arthur. Arthur will comment on how maybe there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Just so happens that the left side of it falls perfectly on the sheriff's office in the old burned down town where you can find none other than a gold bar hidden in a chest under the desk. The right side of the rainbow falls on the burned woods where you can find the volatile fire bottle recipe. The rainbow gives you treasure and fortune.
Oh, thats truly amazing, if true. I cant believe there is so much hidden in the game and actually kinda makes me sad that I dont experience it all.
I'll have to play through again and check this out.
There's a what now in that burned town? I never figured out what the point of it was.
@@Jackrazorus There can always be another save file
Awesome!
It's amazing how detailed this game is.
It took 10 years of development so it better have 10 years of content
Ur not the first person to say n won't be the last
Literally on every strange man video lmao
@@rukitlas7130 Nah It's 8 years
Wow
You know a game has left a mark on you when you see Hosea's and Lenny's graves and immediately start tearing up...
I’m glad i’m not the only one 😢
my dude I sob every time I think about Lenny 😭
For me just glad their wishes came true but the way they ended just sucks
I really appreciate how strange man's hard work and dedication pays off and entertains us and tells me things I don't know about one of my favorite games
hi joel
@@youtubir1981 hey Joel
Hi Chad
How’s your head feeling Joel
I heard strange man is a rockstar employee who wants people to see him and his peers hard work
Arthurs last moments are also foreshadowed by what he says when talking to Hosea. He says "face me to the west so I can watch the setting sun and remember all the fine times we had that way". But when Arthur is succumbing to TB, he's actually facing east while watching the rising sun. This is symbolic of the character development he underwent during the story. In the beginning (when he had that conversation), all he credits himself with being is a killer and an outlaw. He wants to look west to remember all the times he was able to rob and kill remorselessly. He realizes that the age of outlaws is over. But by the end, he's fully dedicated to helping John and his family start a new life, and he finally accepts that the age of outlaws is over. He looks east during the sunrise to see the new life that lay ahead for his brother.
And that's what I call “Redemtion”
@@lostinamsterdam7147 and that's what I call "misspelling"
@@Honorio-nz4ts lol
Great seeing @PJ Homik
Keep going
@@lostinamsterdam7147 you just killed the vibe💀
Well the strange man is definitely a rockstar employee trying to express how good the game is even 3 years after launch
How about u shut ur lil cute mouth up boy 'fore I kiss ya
@@Mike53534 calm down hank Schrader
I think it's mostly that The Strange Man digs often in the game's files and that's why he can solve mysteries and note obscure details the way he does. Though he could have a good eye for detail and references too.
@@nickhess4058 Give me a big ole' kiss
@@themadtitan7603 i didn’t think the mad titan would be the voice of reason
It's so ironic how Ross tells Jack to "enjoy his fishing while he still can".
Foreshadowing. Nice moment
Sorry to be “that guy” but Ross was duck hunting when Jack found him, not fishing.
@@hoodermoment1365 Well..... Almost the same... Almost.... I doubt that a little kid can hunt ducks, so...
@@cyntdestroyer69xd lol, yeah
When Arthur Morgan died, I felt like I was losing a great friend or parent.
cap
Now that's cringe
@@kingsgaming2265 Alright, 'King's Gaming' with controllers and pirate flag.
Cringe
@@Alphae21 baseball or blasting?
This game was an absolute masterpiece.
Is*
It still is and ever will be!
Oh Arthur... i miss you.
I would give my soul just too experience this game without the knowledge i have now one last time.
“In the end, Arthur got his wish.”
*cries*
I cried it on "See Tilly, I told you Arthur had a soul."
Never played to that point.
Me too
Arthur was still a vicious murderer and outlaw. Lol. Just because he grew a conscience at the end of his life doesn't clear him of who he was all his life.
@@Foxfire_forty-nine 🤷🤷🤣 He is not the first murderer I like more than the others. And he won't be the last one🤷
It doesn't rain in Scarlet Meadows until after you burn the crop fields.
Amazing how someone was ale to notice that. The level of detail in this game is insane.
That’s a lie or inconsistent claim
It rained in my game when I was in scarlet meadows
@@SpiderXtra7 Sure it did buddy
@@brian130 im not lying
@@SpiderXtra7 Totally
@@SpiderXtra7 I mean sure it rains in Scarlet Meadows after this mission till Chapter 6 and before Chapter 3
As much as I love all the details in RDR2's BEAUTIFUL open-world, it's great to finally see a video focusing on all the symbolism, subtle pieces of foreshadowing and character details in its main story that makes it one of the richest and most layered in all of gaming - way more than people tend to give credit for despite constantly praising it.
Facts that why it’s the greatest video game series of all time the way it connects to the first one and how complete the story is
You can really tell that Sam and Dan Houser and the other writers not only thought this out hard but they also thought how gamers would think when it comes to anything. They couldn't have thought of everything and they did miss a couple things like the vampire in the mirror but they did get LOADS of things and loads of them right. This game is truly mindblowing.
omg u are on every single vid im subbing to u g :)
@@JirenSensei2.0 He's everywhere. He's Justin Y of the Red Dead community.
@@StuartLugsden ohk
I believe Pinkertons keep an eye on the gang even when you are not on a misson. One day I was free roaming around 3rd camp at 3 or 4am in the morning and I saw bunch of dudes on the horses staring at arthur from far distance, and when i tried to approach them, they ran away.
men in black of the wild west
If thats true, then Rockstar dint deserve the hate due to GTA Online
@@anonymous_dot_com2326 no they abandoned red dead online completely cause they were money hungry one little detail does not fix that
If Arthur had gone ahead and killed Milton and Ross right then and then he would have ultimately caused the downfall of the Van Der Linde gang. Killing them would have caused the pinkertons to replace them with 2 more agents + send and army of agents after them in the same way Ross sent the army and marshals after John in RDR1 and have them all killed in camp. Milton could have arrested and interrogated Arthur at the river but he didn't. Instead he gave him and later the rest of them a chance to surrender Dutch and everyone could walk away and start anew. Killing them by the river or in camp would have shown that Arthur and the others have no heart and wear willing to ignore good offers in favour of their horrible, outdated ways. And they all knew that Milton and Ross wouldn't have approached them without eyes somewhere in the distance watching them to make sure that if chaos did unfold then they could alert Hq of what happened. It wasn't just because Jack was present, it was because Arthur had common sense and so did everyone else.
This is what I just replied to someone else. U r damn right.
If anything killing the two leading agents on the Van der Linde gang's case would've led to the Pinkertons doubling their enforcement and hunting them down in a more severe fashion now that they know early on that they're willing to cross that line. Plus whoever replaces Milton could be less forbearing with the gang and want to simply bring them down for all their years of barbarity and violence.
Also, while I think Arthur is a very sensible person, I do think the decision was definitely out of protecting Jack first and foremost than some forethought on his part because you could see him about to pull out his gun before looking at Jack and stopping himself.
@@themadtitan7603 This is why I don't really see Milton as the villain or even the antagonist. He's probably the only non corrupt law man in the Rockstar Games universe apart from Hernandez. He gave them chances and he said to Cornwall that he was doing everything he too could hunt and end them within the boundaries of the law. He just a man doing his job and someone who wanted what was best for the world which was civilisation. That comes with it's own problems like he said but those problems are nothing compared to the old ways.
I think like Dutch he was put under so much pressure that he was willing to break the rules if it meant result. Killing Hosea could have been an example of that and similar to Dutch when he killed Bronte and further showing that the 2 wear on the direct opposite ends of the spectrum when it came to viewing the world.
But they're willing to cause a giant robbery in the biggest town without a thinking twice
@@karlson1589 Dutch, Micah, sloppiness and operating the east where that part of the world is mostly tamed is what caused their downfall. They're smart enough to not kill 2 agents in camp because of retaliation but they aren't smart enough in planning and getting away from civilisation.
I NOTICED ANOTHER DETAIL!
When the pinkertons are creeping up on the camp, everyone is looking at Arthur confronting Dutch...
Except Micah! He knew!
“You can see Pinkerton’s lurking around camp in the background”
Pinkerton’s: (All around camp)
Bill on guard duty: “Who’s there?”
One of the Pinkerton’s: “Um…Arthur you dumbass?…”
Bill: “Ah, carry on then.”
I got a video of Bill's stupid line, I literally was right in front of him for more than 30 seconds and he's like "WHO'S THERE"
Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/Zw_p6Rv6zlw/w-d-xo.html
Whats that mission called??
@@coltonjames7303 actually, you just have to enter the camp and there will always be a guard .... on one occasion it was Bill, and when he saw the horse approaching, he asked "who is there ?" (to be sure it was Arthur) And Arthur answered the question, saying:
" ITS ME ARTHUR, DUMBASS"
😂
So exactly how did John get back in the camp...............
Burying Lenny and Hosea next to each other is a detail I missed. That's so heartwarming to me.
Arthur didnt kill Ross and Milton to protect Jack. John killed Bill and Javier to protect Jack. Jack killed Ross to honour his guardian angels Arthur and John.
The same way I'd say the series is all centered on Dutch's fight against encroaching government regulation, it's also tied around the story of this young boy who's known nothing but hardship all his life until he lost everything and decided to get revenge for himself.
Javier wasn’t the same In the 2nd red dead redemption but in the 1st one he changed, like dutch.
@@youknowtherulesandsodoi.8082 With Javier it felt less natural, given that he changed more as a result of a retcon to his personality than development like Dutch.
@@youknowtherulesandsodoi.8082 And Bill. All 3 changed or became who they truly are or both.
Doubt Arthur crossed Jack's mind once in RDR1 considering he's an asspull for RDR2.
Still great character but definitely there by the principal of:
"Well RDR1 didn't say there *wasn't* a gang member who saved John"
I still can't see Arthur's grave without getting a little teary eyed.. Masterpiece
I literally started crying on the last one. I'm too attached to this characters. Just hearing about their deaths makes it seem like it's the death of someone alive, not just some pixels.
I cried when i saw arthur's tomb facing west like he wanted
They ain't no pixels, miss Omega. They're real characters living inside us. Or else we wouldn't be so attached to them like that.
@@Kamal_AL-Hinai At least the Actors are alive so if y'all love their voice you can still hear em today.
But they were all vicious murdering Outlaws, lady. They got what they deserved. Just because Artur grew a conscience at the end of his life doesn't absolve him of all the heinous crimes and deaths he caused. All the people you have him kill in the game were "alive" and "living people" just as much as he was.
@@Foxfire_forty-nine i mean you got a point but damm they lived a life they probably didn't want, they had to do what they could to survive but mostly you are right they were killers but if they could choose a life of peace they most likely take it.
I've often thought that Micah Bell was based off the famous real-life outlaw, John Wesley Hardin.
From his big white hat, to his holsters being set Cross ways, to wielding double-action revolvers, to the fact that he's a crazy murdering psychopaths (Hardin admitted to killing over 40 people in his life), I think the similarities are pretty uncanny.
Fun Fact: I'm actually related to Hardin.
Ehm hi 😳
You are actually right on this
I love these little details that are so easily missed! I have a few others little bits to point out actually! In the clip where you highlit/circle the Pinkertons watching over the camp as Micah is telling Grimshaw to pack up things and leave, at 2:45 I originally thought that Micah was glancing over to see Arthur ride back into camp just before he speaks to dutch, but if you look at Micah's head it is tilted WAY to far to the right to be looking at Arthur, I actually think Micah isn't looking at Arthur and is looking at the Pinkertons in the distance since he probably knew they were coming on that day. Don't think so, think he still could be looking at Arthur? Sure, it is hard to tell since Micah is being shot from behind BUT at 3:04 look in the background, Micah turns his head in the direction where the Pinkertons would be standing off screen. Such crazy little details make this game ridiculous sometimes.
i think micah was looking at the guy next to him bro
If there were pinkertons all around the camp how the hell didJohn get back in.. I don't buy this one. But he has been right about everything else so idk
I think he looked at Joe
Anyone else wishes they could go back to their first time of playing RDR2 story mode? I've played it through like 5 times now lol.
I finally escaped the grasp of your amazing work on finding these and making "theories" even though you're *totally 100%* a Rockstar employee, but now, you've caught me again. Also, it surprises me that Charles even remembers where Arthur wanted to be buried and exactly how!
I think it's more that he digs in the game's files often and thus has an extensive knowledge on the game inside and out. He could also have a good eye for detail too.
@@themadtitan7603 no not really, most of his works are from redditors and social media users, they give their evidence with proof to him in DMs and he mentions them, go back to his first videos there are many mentions of persons in them, of course he's the head of the snake he's the one that ties down all the evidence together and makes an analogy I won't take that from him.
He's not from Rockstar. Rockstar know their character's background and Strange Man called Niko Ukrainian
High-honor version of Arthur Morgan is one of my all-time favorite fictional characters. I can’t remember ever mourning the death of a video game character like I did in RDR2. Nothing compares.
Literally me after I watch every single Strange Man video: Damn this game is immersive!
Great content 💯
Idk about the pinkertons in the trees, I've seen better Bigfoot videos. Then again he has been right about everything else. What gets me is how did John get back into camp if they were surrounding the area. He was limping it wouldn't have been hard!
The developers have put their 100% into this ....the game is worth every penny!
Theres something else about Bessie which you missed. In the picture in Pearson shop in the epilogue Jack can be seen as a baby in arms. Jack was born in 1895 and this was when the Van Der Linde gang was still somewhat small. Hosea met Bessie in 1883 and she is nowhere to be seen in the photo. This shows that she must have died around the late 1880's. +That photo shows that a great chunk of the gang didn't meet Dutch until after the golden years of the Wild West.
Was Jack really in that picture? I don't remember seeing him... was Abigail holding him?
@@livewire2759 Yeah if you look carefully you can see him in a blanket in her arms.
@@StuartLugsden Yeah, I looked it up. I always though she just had her arms crossed, but after looking closer, I see that you're right, there is definitely something in her arms. It must have been when Jack was just born, since he's so small.
Didn't the ''gang'' started with Dutch and Hosea trying to rob eachother in 1873 with them finding and taking a 13yo Arthur under their wing in like 1876 or 1878?
In RDR1 , John mentions he, Bill and Javier grew up together.. with all 3 of them being in their early 20's I would imagine them being with the gang from 1888-1892 , somewhere in that range.
I'm not entirely sure about Abigail and Miss Grimshaw, perhaps you can give an estimate about that but I would say at least as long as John, Bill and Javier.
Tilly, Charles, Lenny and Micah we know for fact they haven't been with the gang long at all. 6-18 months
Hardest for me to say are: Sean, Uncle and the (unseen)Jenny, Davey and Mac Callandar.
@@lunasilvermoon2283 They do mention that Jenny was picked up at about the same time as Micah in the summer of 1898 while they were in the grizzlies north of Tall Trees (outside of the map).
Sean can be found in a cabin in tall trees during 1898 (online "stranger" mission) and he will mention that he runs with a gang but he got separated from them a few weeks prior. So we know he was likely with the gang before they picked up Jenny and Micah, but we don't know if it was a few months or a few years before that.
Abigail was introduced to the gang by Uncle, so even though he isn't in the picture on Pearson's wall, we can assume that he was the one who took the picture, but again, we don't know exactly when he joined the gang.
The Callander boys are the big mystery. There is very little ever said about them... similar to the way there is very little said about Arthur in the epilogue... (hint?). I think one of them will be the protagonist for the next game, most likely Mac.
Even years later Arthur's death hit me like he was a real person. I hate how attached I got to him.
Man, I never noticed Arthur reaching for the holster.
He should have done it.
I don't think it would have mattered if he killed Milton and Ross. The Pinkerton's will just get another 2 agents on the case. Milton only wanted Dutch as he said it a few times.
If anything, killing the two agents leading the case against the gang would've led to the Pinkertons doubling down on their hunt for them and they might've killed all of them when they arrived at camp in Chapter 3, this time with a bigger count.
@@themadtitan7603
The Pinkertons doubling down on their hunt for the Van der Linde gang was inevitable. It’s very strongly asserted that Cornwall had the Pinkertons in his pocket, as the Pinkertons would pretty much work for whoever had the money to hire their services. No matter what happened.
Also, the Van Der Linde fought off an army of Pinkertons in a less defendable camp with less guns present at the time. The events of RDR2 would’ve continued as semi-normally. Just without Ross and Milton at the helm.
@@CaptHC Milton and Ross were quite ruthless - potentially, they wouldn't have come to the camp at Chap 3, therefore the gang wouldn't have fled so quickly. If Milton and Ross were dead, it would buy the gang time whilst they got two other agents to get to the same level Milton and Ross were. The biggest one being, that if Milton is dead, then the Pinkertons may have not captured Hosea and Abigail - with Hosea alive, Dutch wouldn't cave into Micah as fast, as well as being able to escape Saint Denis as planned, which would prevent them from going to Guarma - this would stop, or at least slow down Micah being turned into a rat by the Pinkertons. Overall, it'd change quite a few events I believe, especially if Hosea was still alive. Ross' death may have also stopped the events of RDR1 since Micah may have not died in such a way, or the other agents may not have found John.
@@soundwavesuperior28
Disagree, sure they did eventually double down their efforts in the story but that was later on when the gang had crossed path with them several times and were prepared for the attack, unlike chapter 2/3 where they had just fled the law in a heist gone wrong, barely managed out of a blizzard and finally came down from the mountains still haven't encountered the Pinkertons directly much. But still managing to cause such commotion that Milton and Ross found Arthur dangerously close to camp.
If the Pinkertons were informed that their two leading men on the case were killed near that spot, they would've probably launched an attack on Horseshoe, now knowing that the gang is willing to cross that line and kill detectives. Even if the gang barely managed it out of there, they'd surely be killed when the Pinkertons come for them in Clemens Point as it wouldn't be a negotiation this time around.
Another detail happens at the colter shelter, when lenny says that when micah dies there will be a party. And there really is, John's wedding party
I wish Rockstar would make a Rdr3 and make it about Arthur, Dutch, and Hosea's early lives and families and how they came to start the gang.
Needs to be a new character
@Uncle I think they should leave red dead redemption series alone and make a new story like how they did with revolver and redemption
1861 -
GAME STARTS IN THE GREAT AMERICAN WEST , A YOUNG OTIS MILLER (JESSEJAMES) IN HIS FIRST BANK TRAIN ROBBERY ($100K)
There is theory’s that rdr3 will be like mafia times in the 1968
It will be about Mac Callander, they always speak about him but we are never able to see him, rockstar made this since in rdr Arthur wasnt seen o heard about
Hosea's death hit me the hardest. I know Arthur's death was sad, but I really liked Hosea and I had to stop playing the game for a few days after the mission where he dies.
You are truly amzing, a very dedicated man who still giving is content like this even though it's the 3 years old game.
Arthur talking about his grave hit me right in the feels
Arthur talks about how he wants to be buried
Charles in the background
""WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!"
I might found another reference not from a movie, but from a tv show. In the game there's a side mission called "The Noblest of Men and a Woman" (the first of legendary gunslingers stranger mission). A man wants to write a book about the famous gunslinger Jim "Boy" Calloway. When Arthur (or John) enters the saloon the writer is trying to interviewing Calloway about what happend in Sylvia's saloon in 1876. Well, the tv show called Deadwood also sets in 1876, there's a character named Wild Bill Hickok, who is an ex-lawman, and he's also a well-known gunslinger. Not to mention many events in the show takes place at a saloon.
There are so many foreshadowing moments within RDR II. The amount of detail is just stunning.
Wow, great video. A friend of mine in a South Florida Porsche shop received a Porsche 924 Turbo that was billed as being a 924 Carrera GT Group 4. After 10 minutes on the lift, and under a flashlight, it was obvious the Boca Raton plastic surgeon was duped or a the criminal himself.... :)
All the respect for your work. Keep it going!❤️
The redemption series is masterful storytelling at it's finest, the story is like a long winding river it'll end where it began
I completed this Game 5 times and achieved 100% and still didn't know about these details. Wow
Same !
I completed it 20 times
I completed it once and don’t have the emotional strength to make the journey again. (I just live in chapter 2 with strong, happy(ish) Arthur.)
@@SPQRKlio I was on chapter 3 without Micah for a very long time, it was so good.
@@martinvr12 I'm still in Chapter 2, but may have run out of the things that can be explored before moving to the next chapter, so I'm considering moving on to the part of Chapter 3 that is blissfully Micah-free!
What a great video, great to see these little details. Maaan I need to know what that music is at 0:43 😍🔥
It’s absolutely insane how 3 years after this game was released, I and many others are STILL learning about all of the details and eastereggs Rockstar packed into this game.
Truly this is the game of games.
Ikr. After 349 years since this game was released were still learning alot about it
I haven't played RDR2 ever because I don't have the capability and resources. But, I've watched a lot of Strange Man's content about the game and I've started to love the game because of his videos. Never played, never touched. Thank you for always bringing up wonderful and fascinating RDR2 contents. Much love from PH.
Love your videos mate!❤️🔥💪
a VERY enjoyable video. thank you for making it.
More so than Jack being there, I feel Arthur stopped himself because killing Milton would’ve only caused more trouble
Milton approached Arthur and offered him a peaceful solution: Give up Dutch, and you won’t hang. If Arthur had proceeded to kill them both there, the Pinkertons would’ve sent replacements. Replacements that know that trying to reason with them is futile. Replacements that have every reason to hunt them hard and fast. Milton seemed to be more of a by-the-books man, leading him to be slower and more methodical, which gave the gang time to be a step ahead of them. Any replacements coming on the heels of “Arthur Morgan shot Agent Milton” would have a lot more incentive to get the gang than just “They’re outlaws”. For better or worse, keeping Milton alive kept the gang safer.
Also, as an aside, if Arthur somehow missed, then Jack might’ve been caught in the crossfire
Another great video
Yep he is definitely a Rockstar employee
Yup
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Yuuuup👍🍑🍑
This youtuber is such a gem in mylife I love every your vids of RDR2
Thank you!
I wish I had a clip of it, it just happened today while I was playing. Dutch will yell out to Arthur randomly in camp when you're nearby and say that he believes one day Arthur would betray him, because he's that type. I thought it was so weird but neat at the same time
FR I SAW THAT he was like “i suppose you’ll betray me in the end” and arthur is like “is that so?” and dutch is like “you’re the type 😒”
I have not seen you on my Home page alot until now, thank God your still here! You helped with alot of questions I had about Red Dead. Thank you.
The writers for this game and everyone else who made this game are absolute geniuses.
Except for this gambler challenges 8 and 9
Still no one has commented or made a video about the camp party after saving jack.. it’s repeated every time I’ve tried..
Stick around the party without going to sleep, time completely stops at 3am until a GIANT storm comes out of nowhere, rains for quite a long time until uncle finishes his song.. the storm stops and time continues again
only time I’ve seen anything like it 👍
This game will still have some stuff that nobody discovered yet in 10 years. Best game in the whole universe I swear
the little details of this game is just amazing… I’m so thankful you did this. My love for the game just expanded even more.
Red Dead Redemption 2 is a true MASTERPIECE! ⭐💯
What a magnificient level of detail in all aspects, incredible work from rockstar!
The fact that Hosea and Lenny died in the same mission and got buried together is making me tear up
The Lenny and Hosea one just makes me sad as hell :(
Hosea and Lennys deaths where so painful. Seeing the father figure and the younger brother dying so suddenly was just too shocking T^T
I heard from another comment that Arthur was buried facing East, the rising sun. Said it was supposed to represent his redemption in a way. I'm a bit cloudy on the specifics.
His grave is facing east tho hey? Not west? It took a minute to wrap my head around that.
@@richardjudethompson6364 yeah it's definitely facing east. I noticed this too
This game is one of few that has the power to bring me to tears, the work that went into this game left it to be so impressive I think this game is the pure definition of a work of art.
So many details still being found to this day
I like to think the "Enhoy your fishing while you still can kid " is a reference to the fact you can't fish in red dead redemption 1
Strange Man…The myth. The legend.
2:15 Jack indirectly killed the whole gang then
Wow, after even 3 years of playing I didn't even notice most of theese things
It’s been 3 years damn
Arthur's death is referenced by his horse he lost in the beginning of the game. Hosea mentions Boudicca who was a queen that died from either poisoning or through battle if you follow the writings of Tacitus. Such a deeply layered foreshadowing. Plus everytime Arthur get's asked how he's feeling after beating Mr. Downes he coughs
Hold up. Is that how he gets tb? I just watched the full story of his wife. So Arthur gets sick when he beats the one person who might have had a legitimate excuse for not paying back the money.
imagine all AAA games be on this level of quality
Ubisoft would just laugh at this comment
Im only new to this game by a month or so, and these videos absolutely helped me understand and get to witness things i would have missed both during and after the story completion. Keep up the hard work!
0:11 the saddle disappeared from johns hands😂
I always think I know everything there is to know about rdr but then you come with a video proving me otherwise. Love your content. Very entertaining and informative
1:55 the detail is actually Ross says:"Enjoy your fishing kid, while you still can" because Jack kills Ross in RDR 1 when Ross is fishing
Ross is actually Duck hunting in Rdr1. Both meet again the same way by the water though so eh
I ain't fishing nowhere Old man!
I think it’s a beautiful game and the irony of agent Ross saying “enjoy your fishing” and that’s where jack meets him (not at the same spot but) years later in their duel just shows how poetic and beautiful this game is created
Red dead 3 is gonna be even more detailed and full of mysterious lore that will have us scratching out heads for years
If they make one that is
There will be one. But completely different lore. I hope it would be of some different gang. Like Jack hall gang.
i doubt it - all the best people who worked on rdr 2 left rockstar, i think.
@@ilikeswords5877 there's rumors rn that rockstar already started development and it will happen red dead is now an established franchise like GTA
@@wizardfucker8999 they said in 2018 if RDR 2 sold well they'll make another sequel
I was having a bad day and your post cheered me up. Thanks again, Strange Man!
Arthur got exactly what he wanted in the end, in more ways than just where he was buried. that is if you chose the honourable way. he crawls over to the west side of that cliff and watches the sun set as he dies.
I don’t understand how you manage to pump out video after video without them lowering in quality, I’m impressed
For “dry season” one I wanna add that during the mission “The New South” after you catch the Anderson leader, on the ride back to Rhodes, the deputy tells Arthur how they have a dry season as well. And now that it’s mentioned it doesn’t rain untill after the mission with Sean, I don’t believe it rains at all during the begging missions of chapter 3
It does in other regions. I spend a good chunk of my time hunting and crafting during chapter 3. Spend many a night near Lake Owanjilla when it was raining and hard to spot animals.
Probably it won't rain in Rhodes only
Thanks for taking the time to make these! I love finding out all the little details I have missed.
2:12 If Jack wasn't there, Hosea would've lived longer
Best. Game. Ever. I'm crying once again.
I think I need to go back to story mode. It's so imersive and had me in tears at times. I remember the first time I finished it I had rushed through the whole story, so eager to finish it. I need to spend time getting to know the gang better and spend more time in camp.
6:43 yooooo what the hell why's your arthur bad honor....
So incredible! The Pinkertons watching the gang in the end was an amazing detail I never seen before.
I still almost cry every time I see Arthur's grave. Having completed the main story after a year of doing side missions first, I grew quite attached to Arthur and my horse, and watching them both die just made me feel like I lost a real person even tho I really shouldn't feel that way about a fictional character.
Same bro! All feels
That’s the power of storytelling :)
Ross and Milton finding Arthur the first time references Edgar rosses death... He met Jack Marston who was fishing... And Jack killed Ross while he was fishing.
Dude. I love your videos. I'm gonna Patreon you if I can. I swear you never let me look away from your videos.
Strange Man is one of like 3 youtubers whos content is so reliably great I immediately watch whenever a new video goes up
The game just doesn’t get old for me. Keep up the amazing work Strange Man best RDR2 videos on the internet bar none!
Absolutely brilliant video. Seeing Arthur's grave and them words from Charles kills me inside
This man is a different breed. these vidoes are amazing keep it up!!
I’ve played this game so much and even to this day I play it when I can. Always amazing how im still learning new things
Your work is so good! Love it. Thank you strange man!
Damn you made me wanna restart the whole story over 😂
0:12 i love john's way of putting the saddle in his inventory