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- This video will show you how to convert your drum brakes to disc brakes. This is on a 1970 Chevelle but all Muscle Cars from about the 1955 to 1970s are about the same.
I will show you the basics of the old drum brakes and how they work, removing the old steering rod from the drum brake assembly and installing it on the new disc brake assembly.
How to remove and replace the brake system proportioning valve and connect all the brake lines.
Installing the new spindles are covered in the following videos:
Channel: David Lis
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 1 Disassembly
• How to Rebuild Front S...
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 2 Reassembly
• How to Rebuild Front S...
How to install the steering rods on backing plates, installing the rotors, pack the bearing with grease, install the brake pads, tighten the wheel bearing nuts, and tapping on the dusk caps.
It will also show how to bench bleed the maser cylinder, and adjust the connecting rod from the power booster to the brake peddle. Moving on to installing the master cylinder, bleeding all the brake lines, and finally connecting the vacuum line from the power booster to the intake manifold. And lastly showing that the only wheels that will fit on the car are 14 inch wheels that are for disc brakes only and not drum brakes or going to the next size 15 inch wheel.
This was not done in a shop but in my driveway. The intent is to give you confidence so you to can do this brake conversion and get the self satisfaction of converting your drum brakes (that do not stop the car) to power assisted disc brakes that will increase your own personal safety and everyone in the car with good stopping capability.
I’ve learned more in this video than I did from watching a half dozen other videos!! Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with those of us who are learning how to restore our Chevelles. I’m impressed with your work.
Thank you. I make these videoes for people like you. This video probably took me at least 80 hours to video and edit. I wanted to show you how to do it. Who else is going to do it? You start with small jobs and as you gain confidence you take on harder jobs, next thing you will be doing what I do. My Dad started teaching me at 14. He has saved me thousands over the years.
You can do this.
Have a nice day.
What kind of Chevelle do you have?
@@davidlis6709 1969 Chevelle 300, now with a 396 bored out .063. Upgrading suspension and brakes to accommodate additional weight.
@@archholder185 Now you can go faster and stop without scaring yourself.
Totally Agree!
Well said !!! …. This guy also put a new vinyl top on the car , by himself …. Great 👍🏻 job
I see you put a lot of patience into your work and that my friend is the key to a successful introduction, very nice job I appreciate it
Wait until you see how good it stops.
by the way. this video was very informative, explained thoroughly, and well demonstrated. thank you
Be careful with the coil springs. They scare me because you can get hurt.
This has to be the best how to video I’ve seen in years! Thank you sir!
You are welcome.
Did you see the other two related video? How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 1 Disassembly and Part 2 Assembly
I agree my new favorite channel
Excellent video and great job explaining the upgrade. I am in process of upgrading my 71 Camaro to disc breaks and found out the 14 inch wheels do not work with the conversion. I wondered until now that it was not something I did but simply the rims do not clear regardless. I will upgrade to 15 x 8 so I can go wide on the back to make the SS look more buff. I suggest you do more videos since your an excellent teacher and one of the best I could understand every step of the way. Kleff
I mentioned it the video because I was surprised like you. 14 inch wheels do not fit. Chevy did make a few 14 inch for disc but was was not that popular. I went to 15 inch, higher profile tires so it sits a little higher.
Thank you so much for this, doing this conversion for a 72 ford maverick. Saved me a bunch of money and makes the build much more fun
You are welcome.
I make these videos to give people confidence to do these jobs themselves. It is a lot easier to do something like this if you see someone do it first.
Very informative. Thank you for taking the time to make this video👍🏻
Your are welcome. Takes a long time but the car stops very good.
YOU ARE A NATURAL BORN TEACHER! THIS VID IS SO GREAT AND INFORMATIVE...THANK YOU! I JUST BOUGHT A '68 CHEVELLE AND THIS IS MY FIRST MISSION IN THE REJUVENATION PROCESS. SO ONCE AGAIN...THANK YOU👊👍✌
Many years ago I could not speak in front of people. A very good friend of mine talked me into joining the Toastmaster International club where you had to give speeches in front of people. Then I got a job as the instructor for the Missile Launching and Handling Equipment (Trident Submarine Program) course for a major defense contractor.
I am trying to give away all my knowledge to anyone that wants to learn.
I have 2 other videos that apply to this video
Thanks
Thank you for the highly instructional video without the use of impacts and a lift! Just got my Disc brake conversion kit today for my 72 Cutlass Supreme. That’s a beautiful chevelle you have. Love how it wasn’t turned into a striped SS clone.
It is easy to bring it to a shop and they put it on a lift and use power tools. But not everyone wants to pay because it can get a little expensive.
There are two other videos that go with this:
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 1 Disassembly
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 2 Reassembly
David Lis Thanks David I watched those videos as well. I am just about done with my swap except I saved the proportioning valve for last. In this video you changed the front driver side brake like to fit correctly. Do you know if I can screw the original larger fitting into the fitting with the rubber cap? It looks like I could do so and cap off the smaller line. Any thoughts?
One line comes into the proportioning valve from the master cylinder. There are 2 lines going out to the front brakes, right and left and the last line located at the back of the valve goes to the rear brakes. The rubber cap is where the electric plug connects to the indicator light on the dash board.
Great detailed video David. Thank you for doing it and sharing with us.
You dont have a work table makes it easier protects your parts
thank you for the great video. very detailed for a novice like me. i will now do my conversion because of all the little things the others don't bother with.
Just be careful with the coil springs.
Li ly
Great video. You show how it is done. You are not a Pro, but anyone looking this stuff up on youtube is not a pro either. GREAT JOB. I love it. I will do my upgrade the same way.
If people watch someone doing they conversion in a super clean shop with a lift and all the special tools, what is the chance that they will attempt to do it in their driveway? If I can do it in my driveway, this video will give you and others the confidence to do it themselves.
A friend and I are doing a 63 cadillac ambulance and making a ghostbusters car. Definitely doing the conversion hate drum with a fire in my soul!
Drum brake are the kiss of death.
I only did the front brakes because that was what was offered from the factory that year, 1970, and I want to keep the car as close to original as possible. But if you are bring a 63 ambulance to life, I would also convert the rear brakes to disc.
oh absolutely all disc!!
Excellent video! Learned a lot!
Good. It is a big job but those disc brakes will stop that car.
Thanks David. Wanted to watch someone do it before installing the Right Stuff kit on my 68 Firebird.
It makes it easier. You can avoid the mistakes.
This video saved me thanks for all the info and well explained. Cheers
There are two other video that go with this. They show how to take off the a frames and coil springs.
Thank you for the informative video. David, love your Malibu, and it looks like an extremely clean survivor. I have a near identical 70 Malibu I just purchased that I will be doing a drum to disc swap, and this video will enable me me tackle a job I've never attempted before.
Look at my other 2 videos on How to Rebuild a Front
Suspension. If you are going to change to disc brakes, you have to change the spindles. That means removing the coil spring. If you are going to do all that work, I would suggest changing out all the old bushings. It makes a big difference in the way it handles. I know it is a lot of work but you only have to do the job once. Just take your time and do a little at a time. It took me three weeks to do this.
The other thing I replaced was the rear bushing. Now it drives like just out of the factory.
I go to a lot of car shows and I do not see Malibu's. There are all SS. I can tell most of the conversion by looking at the dash. All SS cars had round gauges.
I like my Malibu with a 350 2bbl carburetor, 4 speed. The last time I checked I got 14 mpg. Mine also has factory a/c. I do not show this car because it is a driver.
Yes I found the other videos already, and will refer to them for the helpful insight. I will be replacing everything I can, as I only want to do this once.
Yes, I also see many SS Chevelles at the car shows here in western BC, and I see a lot of clones too. Having been there, done that, my 70 will remain exactly as it is, Only other deviation from totally stock, other than the disc brake conversion, may be upgrading to 4 bbl intake and carb, and possibly dual exhaust.
I'd encourage you to show your car, they don't HAVE to be perfect to be admired. From what I've seen of it, yours looks very deserving of attention. Mine will be shown on occasion, flaws and all.
Be careful when you take out and install the coil springs. You will see that I almost got hurt with the coil spring compressor coming apart because I did not install it correctly.
David, I'd like to pick your brains on a couple things, but don't want to flood this thread. Would you mind emailing me? r.jorzik@hotmail.com. Thank you.
Thank you for the how to video
Thank you
I you do it, be careful with the coil springs.
Thank you. great explanation, information and video. Just what I needed.
Thanks. This job is not for the beginner. Those coil springs can be dangerous.
Very nice job I have a 69 Chevelle that has four-wheel drums on it just like your car... going over to four wheel disc I have a break guy...but I will be doing most of the job myself I want to thank you very much it was very knowledgeable...ty for everything nice Chevelle..
At least the front brakes. The back ones are not that important because most of the braking is in the front. If I didn't want to keep it original, I would put disc in the back. Back ones are easy.
Look at these 2 videos.
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 1 and Part 2 Reassembly.
You have to change the spindles. Be careful with the coil springs. Borrow the tool from the auto part store.
Take your time and do it over many days.
@@tomikhaos7248 The front fender walls were off giving me good access.
I replaced most of the lines because I never want to do it again.
I got new spindles because I changed from drum to disc. the coil springs are nasty. (Have video on that experience)
I was going to do the entire system but I wanted to keep it original. Disc in front (optional) and drum in the back.
I have a video on changing the spindles.
All that work result is :th-cam.com/video/vm-YY-xsMyM/w-d-xo.html
I drive this car. I am not saving it.
@@tomikhaos7248 It is a lot of work but now after it is all done, it was worth all the pain and aggravation. It will stop.
@@tomikhaos7248 Sometimes it is hard to do it by yourself but I am like you, I have to do it by my self. My friends don't know haw to work on cars and don't want to.
So it took you about 3 weeks to recover from Covid? Looks like you did not die like the gov is telling us. You have to be old and have pre existing conditions. I glad you are better.
This is what you get to look forward to and this is how I take care of my Chevelle.
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Have a nice day
Absolutely beautiful video. Thank you. It's a shame that an idiot screaming at a video game makes more money than this one. This video should be sent out with every order of this brake kit.
I made it available to everyone who wants to learn how to do this. Disc brakes are much better than drum brakes.
Great video. I'm glad I saved my steering arms!
Thanks. It makes it easier to do it after watching someone do it first
i have a 75 comet iv been wanting to do this just didnt know hard it would be. it actully looks pretty easy. thank you sir
The hardest part is changing the spindles because I am afraid of removing and re installing the coil springs. If you watch "How to Rebuild the Front Suspension on Car, Part 2", you will see part of the spring compressor tool come flying out. I took my time so this job took me several days.
David Lis i wonder if it would but better to take it to a shop and get it done
Where are you getting the conversion kit from? If you can you use the same spindles you don't have to deal with the coil springs. Ask them.
This might cost a lot at a shop.
David Lis I don't know honestly I don't know where to get the kits at
National Parts Depot 800-874-7595
Original Parts Group 800-243-8355
Thanks for sharing
I like to show people how to do this. Takes a while but there is nothing like disc brakes on the front.
I enjoyed the video but I wish you would of said where you got the conversion kit. I have not pack bearings in a long time but I use to put the grease in one palm of my hand then keep dragging the bearing through the grease until full. Good idea to change all brake lines like you did too when doing a conversion. Totally forgot you might have to get new rims. Not all steering arms are the same between drum and disc brakes. I would also (which you probably already did) change all my ball joints, steering linkage, springs, shocks, and possibly control arms too at the same time. Might as well upgrade sway bars too. LOL Oh yea I put clear tube over the bleeders on the brake calibers so I do not spray brake fluid all over.
National Parts Depot or
Original Parts Group
great video i am converting my 1966 chev biscayne i love you style and video!!!putting a 454 in my biscayne need disk brakes for sure!!!
Yes you will. Check out the other two videos on rebuilding the front end. Be careful of the coil springs.
thanks i will check them out!
Great Video and explanation
I really appreciate it, thanks man
Glad it helped
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best video ill do it with my 58 impala
There are 2 other videos you should check out:
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th-cam.com/video/8CYc-RwGNPw/w-d-xo.html
Those drum brakes do not stop the car. You will really notice the difference.
awesome and thanks for your reply...i will move forward on the front disc install...its going on 67 chevelle
I saw this guy who got was driving a 1948 or 49 Chevy that just got into a front end accident and his grill was all busted up. Probably because he had drum brakes and could not stop fast enough. He was crying his eyes out, I really felt sorry for him because he has a major problem. You don't want that to be you. Have a nice day.
Excellent helpful video! Thank you.
Happy you liked it
Great video. Learn alot from it. Thank you.
There is a night and day difference with disc brakes. Got to go for it.
Hi !
I have a 1991 Ford f150 pick up truck that I want to do this conversion too. Question will be. Regarding the safety break line at the rear tire. Is the safety break line will be 1) useful to be reinstall to the new calipers or 2) it will be eliminated ?
You want to change the front from drum to disc? and or the rear?
If you do the front, I don't know if you will have to change the spindles?
Are you getting the parts from a junk yard or buying them from a vender?
You need a brake line to go the the back brakes or they will not work.
Great video
It stops 10 time better. Keeping drum brakes will get you in trouble.
@@davidlis6709 did you mount the proportioning valve in the old spot as the distribution block/combination valve?
@@biglance2033 Yes
@@davidlis6709 did you have to use the plastic bleed tool on proportioning valve upon bleeding brakes?
@@biglance2033 No
Hey David,
How satisfied were you with SSBC's quality? I was thinking about ordering the same kit.
Thanks, Brandon
I would get them again. Just make sure that you super clean the inside of the rotor where you put the grease. Both of mine were dirty but no big deal.
They forgot to tell me (or I did not ask the right questions) that my 14 inch rally wheels will not fit anymore unless you have 14 inch rally wheels that were made for disc brakes. I purchased 15 in rally wheels, that solved the problem of not enough space between the wheel and brake caliper.
They do stop, hold on.
Did you have to install the race in the rotor?
Great video David, Thanks
Thanks. It is a lot of work but the car really stops, not like the drum brakes.
Man thanks so much, I wish I could send pictures, I’m going step by step
There are two other videos that go with it listed in the video description. You wait until you step on the brakes for the first time. Don't hit them hard because you will go throw the windshield. Night and day difference.
Great video lots of effort and patience filming it a+++ , I have a ? if I install prop. valve on frame , will it have any clearance issues on a BB 454 with headman headers 1-3/4, and how this u bolted tighten it up..to frame ?
thanks for sharing ..
Ricky
You can move the proportioning valve a little depending on how much extra brake line you have. Make your own little bracket. The other thing is how close to the brake lines are the headers? You might need to make a little heat shield to prevent the lines from getting to hot.
Does any know why he benched bled the master cylinder, instead of using the booster?
The right rear line "usually" the farthest from the MC. However, "sometimes" the left rear is the longest line, so check it out first.
Like what car is an example?
@@davidlis6709 ....you have the internet, look them up.
Wow that was a very informative video. One of the best I have ever seen so I do have a question what conversion would u recommend for a 68 newport 383 just the fronts
I do not know but here is where I buy a lot of my parts. You might want to call them.
National Parts Depot or Original Parts Group
@@davidlis6709 thanks
good video, helpful. Wait until you do rear disks and you have to pull your axles.
I left the rears as drum brakes because I wanted to keep it original. Disc in the front was a option.
You don't have to pull the axles to change the brakes, just to replace the rear seals. I did make a video on the replacing the rear seals. You will have to remove the differential cover to remove the c clips.
Thanks for the video Dave, I have referred to it throughout my brake job. Do you have a video of where you connected the vacuum hose from the booster? I'm more visual.
It is in this video at 48:25
My dad has a 1969 Dodge Dart that we have been trying to convert to disc brakes. We have it all hooked up but can seem to get the calipers to engage and we can't seem to figure out why. Any common issues we should be looking at that we may be overlooking?
Did you bleed the brakes, probably, yes.
Did you blench bleed the master cylinder so there is no air in the lines?
The kit I purchased master cylinder only worked for 1 year, after it went out of warentee and I had to replace it.
Take the caliper off from the disc and slowly press the peddle and see if it works, be careful not to press to hard or fast so the cylinders don't come. You are only trying to see if there is a little motion.
Let me know.
Great video . What disk brake kit did you use?
Thanks - trying to pass on the knowledge
V helpful video!!! Thank you V much (: (: (: !!!!
Thank you, now you can do yours
@@davidlis6709
Fer sure! I'm about to buy a '65 Ford Econoline van/pickup. Which is basically a Falcon with a light pickup truck body on top. I don't like drum brakes on any vehicle and never understood why automobile companies didn't switch over to disc a long time ago. As they're a far simpler design and despite what them charging us more for discs that drum? They're actually cheaper to build and have fewer moving parts.
Next thing on my list is to find a way of at least mildly supercharging the carb. Later? A beefed-up coolant system. I live in extremely hot weather.
I bought 1 week ago Jupiter zx inteligo model, and its have front disc
But my family dispointed for disc brake,
Can u tell me are there possible disc brake can exchange with drum brake customly by mechanical?
Please help 🙏🙏🙏
Disc brakes are better. I don't think anyone makes parts to convert back to drum. No one wantes to do that.
great video. helped me so much. keep going
Thank you
How many weeks between the final bleed and topping off the master cyl? Sure didn’t take long for the rust to start.
I should have painted it black when I took it out of the box
Drum brakes on a 1970 Chevelle are very unusual. I believe in 1969 disc brakes were standard but you could get drum brakes for a credit or no-charge option. I was a mechanic for more than 22 years and I never saw a 1970 or newer GM car with front drum brakes. You should get a workbench instead of dragging your new parts on the cement. Take care.
Drum brakes don't do a good job of stopping the car.
I had a 70 Monte Carlo from 1971 to 1974 and it had disc brakes on the front.
That's FUNNNNNNY!
Hilarious!
Ha! Yeah the work bench is better than the ol Cave Man way.Crazy how often I wind up not UP?
GENES!
@@davidlis6709 That was my point. 1969 and NEWER GM cars had disc brakes on the front as standard equipment. That is why I converted my 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme to disc brakes on the front, Take care.
Great video!! Thanks!!
Hope it makes your life easier.
Nice video thanks
Have you seen this done to the rear of a 2000 Ford F-150?
No but I am going to do my friends truck this summer. He has a 2007, it should be about the same.
I like the workbench!! at 29:30
I have a bad habit of using the top on the washing machine.
If I could search the comments I'd likely find my answer, but which kit did you use?
SSBC Performance Brake Systems from National Parts Depot but Original Parts Group has about the same.
I purchase most of my parts from these 2 vendors. Never had any problems.
@@davidlis6709 Thanks!
Great video!! I have a 1968 Chevelle. Can you share where did you get the disc brake kit from?
Original Parts Group
National Parts Depot
There are several kits depending on how much money you want to spend.
Drum bakes do not work very good.
Hi Dave, love the video. I'm installing 4 wheel disc breaks on a 71 skylark. I bought the prebent stainless break line and I cannot get them to line up to the new proportion valve. Could I just use the old one? Thanks in advance.
It might be better to use the new one that way it matches. Rent the pipe binder at your local part store and practice on the old lines first. I used the new lines. Remember, you only have to do this once so just spend the extra time , you will be happier later on when you don't have any problems.
do 15 inch wheels change the speedometer reading? Also, after the mounting is the master cylinder supposed to be horizontal? I don't quite get why the booster bracket was at that angle. Thank you for the video.
Yes it does. The car goes about about 5 miles per hour faster than the speedometer is telling you.
Did you attach the new proportioning valve to the frame or just let it float being held in place by the various brake lines attached to it?
I bolted it to the frame because I thought it might rattle and I would never be able to figure that out.
So the factory used two different spindles for drum and disks?. The bearing are the same size so That seems strange.
I recommendation, which means nothing, is to buy the entire kit.
Great video! I have a question, where did you order your whole brake conversion set?
National Parts Depot or Original Parts Group, different place, same price
I’m also doing a drum to disc swap on my 1970 Chevelle. Does anyone have part numbers for the brake lines? Master cylinder? Brake booster? Proportion valve?
Original Parts Group
National Parts Depot
Both have many options
My 70 monte carlo didn't have the booster. So i can get the measurements for the bracket and brake pedal
I don't remember but I think I used the center hole on the brake peddle bracket. I believe it tells you on the instruction on the kit.
Look at minute marks 30 minutes, it say 6 1/4 inches
good vid david can i use my old brake lines going to proportioning vavle and how did you mount the vavleto the frame
You can use the old ones if they are not rusted.
Proportioning valve - I used one of the original holes. I only put in one bolt, all the brake lines will help keep it in position.
will my 66 chevy impala disc brakes work on a 62 pontiac catalina
Don't know but they both are GM. But in those days, Pontiac and Chevy were different divisions of GM and many parts did not interchange.
I have a 1972 cutlass I want to convert into all around disc brake.. Is this the same for the rear too? Please help
They sell kits for the back. They are easier because you don't have to change out the spindles and the coil springs to deal with. I believe you just have to change out the backing plates and everything bolts on to them. Hook up the brake line and away you go. Leave the break line connection lose and fill the master cylinder with break fluid and it will slowly fill up the break lines. It makes it easier to bled out the lines. Start from the farthest away from the master cylinder.
hi great information, can I use disc brake system from 1972 c10 on 1964 c10, with out major modifications?
I am not sure but call your local auto parts dealer and have them look it up.
Hey Dave, what did you do with the coil springs? I don't see any clamps on them.
Look at these two videos and they will show you how to remove and replace the coil springs.
How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 1 Disassembly
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How to Rebuild Front Suspension on Car - Part 2 Reassembly
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This video will show you how to assemble the entire front suspension of a car. This will include the stabilizer bar or sway bar, linkage assembly, the inner and outer tie rods, Pitman arm, upper and lower ball joints, coil springs, upper control arm, lower control arm, and shocks. It will also show you how to use a coil spring compressor tool to compress the springs in order to remove the springs safely. Also this video will show you what happens if you do not use the coil spring compressor tool correctly. In a rush, I did not put the lower part of the tool on the coil spring correctly and it flew out during the installation procedure. Lucky that I did not get hurt.
Great video, currently doing this to my c10 pickup. Do you know if I need to get a new set of spindles or can I use the drum spindles??
Buy the entire kit and all the parts are included. Get new spindles.
In the description of this video, it has 2 videos showing how to rebuild the front suspension.
@@davidlis6709 thank you sir. Unfortunately the kit i bought a couple years back didn't come with spindles as I found out while putting it on recently
@@NewBeginningNewCreation Look at
National Parts Depot
Original Parts Group
@@davidlis6709 thanks!
hi - is it possible to add a power assist to a drum brake chevelle to get power drum brakes? i have heard this to be possible. what do you think?
Yes, you just have to install the power booster but it still will not stop as good as disc brakes. It is a night and day difference.
My 67 malibu came with power Drum Brakes!Crazy?
great video you should have been a teacher.
I was a technical instructor in a major company for about 5 years. Making videos are more fun even though they take me so long to do.
No vacuum connected how did you get the booster to work
Vacuum was connected and they work great.
Hi David great vid, Can I pick your brains???? I will be doing the same job in a couple of weeks, I have noticed that the kits from Summit don't come with new brake lines. I am assuming the new proportioning valve is a different set up to the old drum one and would render the existing pipe useless. Where could i get pre-bent new brake lines from? Cheers
I used the new proportioning valve but I did not change all the brake lines. The rear brake line is a single line that is separated in two by the differential, and goes to each rear brake. I just bolted the line to the rear of the new proportioning valve.
The line running under the engine to the passenger side brake was the old one. The line running to the front drivers side broke at the fitting so I needed a new line.
The two other new lines went from the proportioning valve to the master cylinder.
I have no idea who would sell pre-bent lines but O'Rielly's Auto Parts will rent you a brake line bending tool. It takes a little practice but you will get the hang of it. Practice on the old brake lines. Take your time because this takes longer than you think.
David Lis
I'll be doing this on my 68 Buick GS. just wanted to Confirm you reused the original line to the rear distribution block at the rear differential. The rear line looked old when you took out the original block but looked new when you installed the new block. as well what were the part numbers for the new block and new front lines?
I bought a complete kid from Right stuff in the end, I still haven't fitted yet. Having said that I gotta make new brake lines from the master cylinder to proportion valve as they differ from the new system. I'll let you know how successful I am with my 72 Buick Skylark. Cheers
I used the same brake line going to the back brakes, I just cleaned off all the old tar, etc. This car still has 80% of the undercoating from the factory. It was always in dry weather so it is not rusty. But if you don't like the way it looks or if it is rusty, this is the time to replace it.
The kit came with the two new brake lines from the master cylinder to the proportion valve, a new line from the proportion valve to drivers side and another for the passenger side brake. I did not replace the line going to the passenger side. The proportion valve was included in the kit.
I borrowed a pipe bending tool from a friend but some auto parts stores rent them. It takes a little practice to use it but once you get going, you will be ok. Practice on an old brake line.
If you don't like the way the brake lines look, change them all out now. I know it is a lot of work but it is easier now than in the future. You don't want to work on it again.
The stop shop has conversion kits and nice prebent lines steel or stainless.
Off of what car did you use disc brakes off of
I purchased a kit from Original Parts Group or National Parts Depot.
I have a 1954 Dodge Fargo that I would like to convert to power brakes but I don't know if where to get Old Dodge conversion kits. Everyone seems to have Ford or Chevy. Would you happen to have a lead for me?
Check out these places: call them and ask where the kits are available.
National Parts Depot
Original Parts Depot
or, look in Rot Rod type magazines. I saw an article about brake conversion but I can not remember. Your conversion is a little more complicated then your typical Chevy.
@@davidlis6709 Thanks David. I will check them out. Yea, there isn't much out there for Dodges. If you have a Chev or Ford you can get anything. I like the style of the Fargo. I don't like to look like everyone else. Thanks again.
You are right, everyone has the same cars.
can someone tell me the difference I will feel if i convert my 67 chevelle front drums to breaks...will i notice a huge difference?thanks so much everyone!
Night and day, Hawaii in the summer, Alaska in the winter. It is worth the money just for personal safety. You are going to be real mad at yourself if the rear end the car in front of you because you could not stop. Remember, when they get hot, they fade (do not stop).
This video shows you how to do it and I have 2 other videos that show you how to change the spindles, remove the coil springs, and change all the bushing.
Changing from drum to disc will require getting 15 inch wheels unless your car comes with 14 inch wheels make for disc brakes, which I don't thinks so. I needed to go to 15 inch wheels. 15 inch tires are cheaper and more available.
when you say 15"...does that also me 16,17,18?
Thanks! i currently run 16inch bt may change to bigger later..not smaller
I don't know how much clearance the 16, 17, and 18 have. They may be ok. I am talking about stock 15 inch rally wheels.
Did u use the secondary hole in the pedal because of ur brake disc kit said so? Or is the secondary hole used for all brake disc conversion kit? I have a 62 Chevy impala and I'm planning on getting a brake disc kit for it.
In video 32:25 I used the second hole. It has to do with the line up with the new brake kit.
Wait until you step on the brakes with the new kit installed, night and day difference. Those drum brakes suck.
My 62 impala brake disc kit from performance online shop did not specify to use the bottom hole. Would you recommend to use the bottom hole anyways?
I tried both and the lower one worked best for me. I only put it in about 5 times trying to decide what length and hole was best. Every car it a little different so try several options. I know it takes a long time but once you install it and you like it, it is going to be in there for a long time.
I used to piss off my Dad by saying: There is never enough time to do it right the first time but there is always time to do it again.
Thank you so much. I used the top hole and I couldn't get the brakes to bleed properly.
I decided, why not use the bottom... sure enough brakes bled quickly. Thank you for the help.
Happy that I could help.
hello, witch disc brakes off of a car will fit on a 69 GMC or C10 truck ?
Sorry - I don't know
Where did you get the brake conversion kit from?
National Parts Depot
Original Parts Group
$850 to $1,200
i have the same set up except i replaced all my breaklines front to back,issue i had with my drum to disc conversion is that i was only getting fluid to bleed out of my rear drum breaks and nothing comes out my front disc breaks,any info on what could be the problem?
Did you bench bleed the master cylinder. You should be able to just open the bleeders on the calipers and in a little time, the fluid should start flowing.
So, in your system, the back reservoir is going down but the front one remains the same.
Did you loosen the line going into the front parts of the master cylinder and see if fluid leaks out?
What brake lines kit did you use? Thanks. Great video!
National Parts Depot makes two kits: Street Bandit and SSBC. I used the first one.
SSBC brake conversion kit. National Parts Depot
Hey Dave, quick question, i just converted my Chevy II to disc brakes all around, do I need to use a proportioning valve tool to initially bleed the brakes? Thank you in advance.
Yes. Be careful when you first drive the car because this is really going to stop, nothing like those drum brakes.
David Lis, hey David, another quick question, I recently converted my drum brakes to disc brakes all around. I bought a vacuum along with 15 gallon air compressor in order to bleed the brakes. How long does it take to bleed the brakes? I don't seem to be getting fluid to the rear brakes.
Put brake fluid in the master cylinder and loosen the bleeders on the year brakes. The brake fluid will flow out. It take a few minutes but as the air escapes from the brake lines, the fluid start coming out. Then bleed them to get out the remaining air in the lines.
David Lis, thanks Dave did some work on it today. Repositioned the rear brake line so that it all falls below the master cylinder. Opened up the rear brake bleeding screws and will check it in the morning.
I did
How much did that setup cost you?
About $1,000/ All the kits are different
National Parts Depot
Original Parts Group
@@davidlis6709 yep I just looked at my npd book after I seen your video thanks for the help
where did you get new kit from?
+Useful Entertainment I was going to buy it from National Parts Depot but I ended up buying it from some other vendor, same kit but a little cheaper. I was not happy with them because they didn't send me all the parts the first time, the rotors where not clean, etc., so you do not want to use them. Use, NPD.
The Street Bandit Disc Brakes from NPD is the right one. But there are two parts, Standard Spindles, and then you need the Booster and Master Cylinder Combo Kit. It is the same thing as the SSBC Performance Brake Systems Kit but cost more.
Remember, after you put these on, you will need 14 inch wheels that are for disc brakes or you have to 15 inch wheels like I did. This they did not tell me.
hey thanks for all the info. iv actually already done the swap to my 68 cutlass but i got the spindles, calipers, and proportioning vale off a parts car. you've got some good how to videos. iv been following the chevelle build so far so im interested in your next videos
Why is important to bench-bleed a replacement master cylinder?
Because it is easier to do it on the bench versus in the car.
The new master cylinder comes dry with no fluid. By bleeding it you put fluid through all the channels in the unit and get the air out. If you do it on the car, all that air will go in the lines and it will take you hours to get it out.
On the bench, you keep on pumping it until all the air is out then transfer it to the car and then there it not much air in the lines.
Jim Piver sorry about the question but I didn't know that I was asked about
In perfect world where you operate, it always works great the first time. But it the rear breaks bleeder valve strips or is rusted closed or if you break the line, it usually takes me more time.
There are no stupid questions, if you don't know there are many others that do no know that are afraid to ask.
Yes but if some on that break fluid get you your new paint somehow, you wish you would have been more careful because brake fluid eats paint. I have had the bench bleed temporary lines slip out and shoot the brake fluid in the air.
You are right but I don't do it that way.
Where u get dust cap from ?
My came with the kit or your local auto parts store.
Where did you get your kit and brake lines?
Street Bandit kit from National Parts Depot.
I also buy from Original Parts Group
You can also buy the brake lines at your local parts store. O Reilly's will rent you the break line bending tool. Practice on the old lines.
Thanks
Built_Fastlife the stop shop is a great source.
I just did this misery on my 58 Caddy. His setup isnt gonna work any better than mine did. Notice how much slide room he has on the caliper bolt when its tightened up.... about an 1/8 of an inch if that. That caliper bolt needs to be about 1/4 inch longer to slide enough to use the full thickness of the pad
I don't understand the comment. My brakes work real good.
Look at 23:06 see where the bolts are both tightened up? Notice there is oly about 1/8 of clearance from the shoulder of the bolt to the edge of the caliper ear. Those calipers slide towards the center of the car. As soon as they slide that 1/8 of an inch they got nowhere to go
Essientially in my case I basically had no brakes no matter how hard I hit em. I finally took off the caliper and removed the pads and then reinstalled just the calipers and then tried to slide them and found they were only moving like an 1/8 because the caliper ear was hitting the shoulder of the caliper bolt. So as soon as the first 1/8 of pad was worn down, that was it. Im glad yours are working, wish mine were. Good Luck
I looked at it again. I did not have any issues. If I hit the brakes really hard, I will go through he windshield.
Will this work on a 95 gmc obs?
Does your GMC have drum brakes?
David Lis yeah
David Lis but only on the back
What happened to your nice shiny brand new master cylinder??????Put the old one back on?????
No. I just looked at the video at 40:00 minutes, it has the new master cylinder.
Good video, but I have never seen anyone bleed the brakes like you did. Okay I suppose if you don't mind the mess.
How else can you do it? My driveway is a mess anyway. After these major jobs I usually clean it. I put liquid bleach in a pan and mix it some dry laundry detergent. When I pore it on the bad spots and and run it with my foot, let it set for a while and wash it off. You can also rub in some kitty litter.
My driveway is all stained anyway
How not to pack a bearing with grease correctly :/ ...
I do it the same as a lot of people.
How do you do it?
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I really like watching your videos, but you need to really catch all of these nasty fluid you keep dumping in your driveway. That stuff is toxic.
hey clean the rotor!!!
It is only only to get dirty again. I showed it a few times but I used it as a driver not show. More fun, less cleaning.
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Where did you ever get the idea that you know how to do brakes? Congratulations, you have shown over 74K people how not to do a brake job! How many will die?
Amateur job. Just saying. No gloves no pans and brake fluid everywhere. Also you have to learn how to pack wheel bearings the correct way.
fiddlerpin let me guess your channel have a video showing a better job exactly how it should be if not shut the f****** up and worry about doing the Monster Mash
Leave the guy alone. He is just trying to help the newbe get started on working on his/her classic. He got the job done, didn't he.
what a dick, old guys don't where gloves bud..............go find a manboy to play with candyass
Yes thank you for advising me that you think this was not professional.
I would have never known without your opinion.
Duh I am so ignorant
I won't hide the replys. It's funny to look at the reply from all the experts out there! I did say amateur job you fucks!