Halberd should NOT be banned. We need a few interesting legal stages, and there's nothing coherently wrong with Halberd. If you get hit by a hazard it's pretty much your fault anyway.
Well do you have a reason that Halberd should be banned? Here's my argument: the stage is very straightforward and the hazards are easy to avoid. A much better argument than "every stage with a hazard should be banned by default". That's just stupid.
Charles Spicuzza A better argument for Halberd, and all stages similar to it, is that the hazards are telegraphed. They give you a clear indication of when something is going to happen and they give you enough time to prepare for it. It isn't even like the hazards are completely that in control of the match either. In the time span of an average 3:30 min - 4 min game in Brawl, you probably had to deal with the stage hazards for on average 10% of a match and it's very uncommon that the end result of a very even match is determined by a the cannon, claw or beam. (I do think the Beam is a lot stronger in this game thanks to Shield being so bad) Bottom line, if you don't like it, ban it. But just because someone is salty over a friendly, doesn't mean you should call to arms and demand the community follows a ban. (Keitaro does this shit all the time. Most recently the demand to ban Mii Figther for One Inch Punch. (In my experience.it's no different than Jigglypuff's rest on spacies in Melee.)
The argument above is "This game is so god damn boring that we need a stage that makes you actively pay attention to the thing you're not fighting because this game isn't interesting enough."
M2k mained metaknight in brawl, and fox in melee. I know m2k's really good but I would have more respect for him if he played characters he liked not who he thinks is the best. (With the exemption of mewtwo in melee).
***** I also like to add that even though its early, i bet the teir list will be 1.) Diddy 2.) Rosalina 3) Shiek so one can't bring up tiers if the top 3 characters are being used against each other, not that much of a difference
Lol he looks like he looks like a 40 year old man compared to everyone else. Without never seeing how old he is, I never would have guessed he was only like 24.
I haven't been up to date with smash bros for a very long time, but I hear Rosalina is super good. Is it because of her ability to increase her attack range?
There are a lot of reasons. Her hitbox changes when she attacks, a lot of range whit luma, big attack hitboxs, hard to grab, incredible stage control whit luma...
RosaLuma is really good for the same reason everyone thought Zelda was good when PM 3.0 came out. she's fine in the right hands, but she's nowhere near as OP as everyone claims.
Yes. You can rebind the C-Stick to specials too. The reason is the C-Stick doesn't work properly in this game (no Quick Smashes, diagonal is neutral air, etc.) so it's optimal to just use analog-smashing and the C-Stick for aerials. That'll certainly be what I will do with the New 3DS.
I want to see like a Mew2King documentary just asking all the pro players from melee, brawl, 3ds, wii u smash and ask them if any of them have fun playing against him or think he's sportsmanlike, has creativity, dignity, or ever plays for fun. It would be interesting to watch.
Is Lucas still in this game he was one of my best characters in brawl and I didn't see him in the character roster when they were picking their characters
In 1v1's? No it's not legal. It's too large, and would take WAY too long for matches to finish. Smash 4 already needs to have 2 stocks in order to match Melee's match length.
BornLosersGaming It could be legal in teams, due to it's size compared to the comparatively tiny normal Battlefield. Edit: compared to comparatively, wtf brain.
It's not 2 stocks to match melees match speed if it was the timer would be set to 8 mins like melee not 6. They could easily make it 3 stocks like brawl and keep the games the same length
And you are with Diddy Kong? Rosalina was nerfed significantly, and she takes a great deal of skill to learn. Diddy is currently the best character on the roster simply because of the DThrow into UAir combo.
Sean-Patrick Racaniello yeah repeating the same combo with diddy isn't skillful, even if it is hard to connect it is done so many times it ruins the skill. and rosalina still seems pretty op
***** That makes literally no sense. So doing a combo takes no skill regardless of reading your opponents D.I? Also If your able to do a combo over and over flawlessly how would that ruin your skill. No johns my friend no johns.......
I'm a noob to these types of games (played Melee with friends etc) so feel free to enlighten me, but is this matchup actually balanced? Rosalina was doing a fuckton of damage to Diddy relative to what she received, but she gets knocked out from 70% while Diddy has managed to survive several times on more than 120%.... I feel like the Rosalina played better but somehow still fuckin lost.
***** At the time of this tournament, Diddy and Rosalina were the two best characters in the game but played completely opposite playstyles. Rosalina is based around keeping people out with Luma and just poking/harassing the opponent down until she can get a kill -- often at high percents. Diddy is the opposite, being a highly rushdown focused character, capable of chaining combos and killing very early. In this instance it's much more of a skill matchup. If Rosa keeps him out long enough, she wins. If Diddy can break the wall, he wins.
Yea, I can use Kirby. Sorta good. He's much slower in SSB4 now, so it's a little harder to do combos compared to before. It's pretty much agreed that Diddy and sheik are 2 of the best.
Samuel Petersen lol yea... Im Maining M2 and Sheik. Havent played too much recently.. My main in brawl was between Olimar and Kirby. I think Im better with Oli.
Let me explain something, this shit is getting stale. Smash 4 wont get any respect, why? Custom moves aren't allowed thats why. That alone should've set this game apart from previous titles. Custom moves can literally dictate who's top/mid/bottom tier(Example Palutena).What if people can find AT's with a different combination of moves? People are gonna continue to DooDoo on this game until something changes that about it that you cant compare to previous titles, and I dont remember a smash game where a character could use more than 4 special moves.
He camps if he has too to win and that's boring, but at the end of the day it's his living(most likely) and I love seeing how Rosaluma play so I can rekt all of them in sight! >:D
I think It's just rosalina in general that's super boring to watch. Just very disgusting to play having to fight 2 bodies at once. I personally think she was a mistake for this reason but, just my opinion.
You're far from the only person who finds Dabuz boring to watch. His only strategy for winning is to constantly keep his distance, and that can get very dull very fast.
no no I know mewtwo king is pro, but seriously compare this match to any of his melee matches and you'll see what I mean. The tech, the unbalanced charecters, the game is crap and will remain crap until their final update in god knows when.
+Smithofthe Kilovariety this game is in no way easy lmao no new player would be able to handle top tier players like this, likewise with melee, you can't just play 3 games and expect to be able to contend with the greats
its nothing like melee. any new player who knows the basics of rolling the fuck away cant get wiped across the stage like in melee. too many new fucking invincible frames, every hero is op as shit in their own way (think dota 2) and playing keep away with ranged is now easier than ever. unless ur shiek or recently bayanetta, you cant even get chained for shit anymore. GG- this game is dead.
Dabuz doing his best Smoochum impression.
Halberd should NOT be banned.
We need a few interesting legal stages, and there's nothing coherently wrong with Halberd. If you get hit by a hazard it's pretty much your fault anyway.
bad argument
Well do you have a reason that Halberd should be banned? Here's my argument: the stage is very straightforward and the hazards are easy to avoid.
A much better argument than "every stage with a hazard should be banned by default". That's just stupid.
Charles Spicuzza
A better argument for Halberd, and all stages similar to it, is that the hazards are telegraphed. They give you a clear indication of when something is going to happen and they give you enough time to prepare for it. It isn't even like the hazards are completely that in control of the match either. In the time span of an average 3:30 min - 4 min game in Brawl, you probably had to deal with the stage hazards for on average 10% of a match and it's very uncommon that the end result of a very even match is determined by a the cannon, claw or beam. (I do think the Beam is a lot stronger in this game thanks to Shield being so bad)
Bottom line, if you don't like it, ban it. But just because someone is salty over a friendly, doesn't mean you should call to arms and demand the community follows a ban. (Keitaro does this shit all the time. Most recently the demand to ban Mii Figther for One Inch Punch. (In my experience.it's no different than Jigglypuff's rest on spacies in Melee.)
The argument above is "This game is so god damn boring that we need a stage that makes you actively pay attention to the thing you're not fighting because this game isn't interesting enough."
That isn't what I meant, though.
Read my comment on the post, it's what I was trying to say in the first place.
Lol Mew2King on his first day playing Wii U version, knocked the person who won the 3Ds national tournament out of the Wii U tournament.
thats the chain of reasoning, if you play melee like 10 years ;)
If two players of equal skill fight, most of the time the one using a top/higher tier will win.
M2k mained metaknight in brawl, and fox in melee. I know m2k's really good but I would have more respect for him if he played characters he liked not who he thinks is the best. (With the exemption of mewtwo in melee).
***** I also like to add that even though its early, i bet the teir list will be 1.) Diddy 2.) Rosalina 3) Shiek so one can't bring up tiers if the top 3 characters are being used against each other, not that much of a difference
I think rosalina is overrated. Her normals suck without luma who is super easy to kill and takes 13 seconds to respawn
Jason is gonna be bald before 20xx happens.
LMFAO
Lol he looks like he looks like a 40 year old man compared to everyone else. Without never seeing how old he is, I never would have guessed he was only like 24.
This game is definitely 50% Brawl, 50% Brawl 2.0.
Minus the tripping lol
So... Brawl 1.5...? Very bad math lol.
What's Brawl 2.0?
Smash 4
Doesn't help that they didn't change the characters' voices.
Quick question, why does rosalina sometimes vanish before being hit
19:04 Rosalina killed at 82% from unavoidable throw combo. The bullshits are real.
Guys thougts on how you feel the game plays? How competitively viable is it?
I haven't been up to date with smash bros for a very long time, but I hear Rosalina is super good. Is it because of her ability to increase her attack range?
There are a lot of reasons. Her hitbox changes when she attacks, a lot of range whit luma, big attack hitboxs, hard to grab, incredible stage control whit luma...
RosaLuma is really good for the same reason everyone thought Zelda was good when PM 3.0 came out. she's fine in the right hands, but she's nowhere near as OP as everyone claims.
M2K the only player who can just constantly look like he's losing, but wind up winning somehow, and keeps u on the edge of ur seat
Is Dabuz the same Dabuz that uses Evil Cole in Playstation Allstars?
Dabuz always makes out with the air in crucial moments
Sorry but why does m2k always play as SKY? what does it mean?
Woah, you can set the C-stick to tilts instead of smashes? Is that a setting in the game's controls, or is it a hack?
I believe if you hold the direction of the analog and hit the C-stick, it should give you a tilt. It worked similar in Brawl.
In Brawl, you could just set the C-stick to "Attack" which will result in tilts. It's in this game too.
Yes. You can rebind the C-Stick to specials too.
The reason is the C-Stick doesn't work properly in this game (no Quick Smashes, diagonal is neutral air, etc.) so it's optimal to just use analog-smashing and the C-Stick for aerials. That'll certainly be what I will do with the New 3DS.
ian nelson does it really not function like it did in Brawl or Melee? Do you think it will be patched?
20% street fighter!?! How so?
+overscoreSX Because he foresaw Ryu coming to Smash. XD
I want to see like a Mew2King documentary just asking all the pro players from melee, brawl, 3ds, wii u smash and ask them if any of them have fun playing against him or think he's sportsmanlike, has creativity, dignity, or ever plays for fun. It would be interesting to watch.
Mew2king has an episode on the smash documentary
Is Lucas still in this game he was one of my best characters in brawl and I didn't see him in the character roster when they were picking their characters
ima be that guy, "do you live under a rock? this game has been out for a month" and no they removed a lot of characters, lucas was one of them
Nope, he probably was taken out because he was so much better that Ness.
Sucks.
Lucas, Snake, Ice Climbers, and Wolf were removed.
TheRavenPHT I'm captain obvious:the post.
Lord Spoice Excuse me?
Ah, the two most OP characters in the game. :)
Question: is Big Battlefield legal, and if not, why?
In 1v1's? No it's not legal. It's too large, and would take WAY too long for matches to finish. Smash 4 already needs to have 2 stocks in order to match Melee's match length.
BornLosersGaming
It could be legal in teams, due to it's size compared to the comparatively tiny normal Battlefield.
Edit: compared to comparatively, wtf brain.
ian nelson thats why he said in 1v1s no. in teams its fine
It's not 2 stocks to match melees match speed if it was the timer would be set to 8 mins like melee not 6. They could easily make it 3 stocks like brawl and keep the games the same length
Diddy's D-throw to u-air needs a nerf.
I'm not counting any wins by rosalina
And you are with Diddy Kong?
Rosalina was nerfed significantly, and she takes a great deal of skill to learn.
Diddy is currently the best character on the roster simply because of the DThrow into UAir combo.
Sean-Patrick Racaniello yeah repeating the same combo with diddy isn't skillful, even if it is hard to connect it is done so many times it ruins the skill. and rosalina still seems pretty op
***** That makes literally no sense. So doing a combo takes no skill regardless of reading your opponents D.I? Also If your able to do a combo over and over flawlessly how would that ruin your skill. No johns my friend no johns.......
*****
Luma can no longer attack while Rosa is grabbed or stunned, and it takes longer for Luma to respawn.
Who doesn't? Very few. And diddy has probably the best dodge in the game...
That d throw to up air is broken lol
Has hbox played this yet?
Only the 3DS version from what i know
Dang, Is he gonna be competitive with it?
Thanks
why he can't type diid Y kong insteada didd kong ferreal srs
Drinking Game:
Take a shot every time M2K/Dabuz adjusts their glasses
It's Didd Kong Vs. Rosalina
VentusNeos NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. IT'S LEMMY KOOPA VS. SHREK.
Samuel Petersen Shit. My b. Really thought it was Didd Kong.
VentusNeos sarcasm inbound
Samuel Petersen What is sarcasm?
VentusNeos oml
Honestly, I feel like M2K was trying to edge guard like he was in Melee.
Dabuz, you are my idol.
I love these guys
nerf diddy's grab and he'll drop at least 10 places on the teir list
I'm a noob to these types of games (played Melee with friends etc) so feel free to enlighten me, but is this matchup actually balanced? Rosalina was doing a fuckton of damage to Diddy relative to what she received, but she gets knocked out from 70% while Diddy has managed to survive several times on more than 120%.... I feel like the Rosalina played better but somehow still fuckin lost.
Javier Jaen Yeah I noticed he kept on doing that. But is the character/matchup itself otherwise balanced?
***** At the time of this tournament, Diddy and Rosalina were the two best characters in the game but played completely opposite playstyles. Rosalina is based around keeping people out with Luma and just poking/harassing the opponent down until she can get a kill -- often at high percents. Diddy is the opposite, being a highly rushdown focused character, capable of chaining combos and killing very early.
In this instance it's much more of a skill matchup. If Rosa keeps him out long enough, she wins. If Diddy can break the wall, he wins.
That mew2king was so awful, diddy kong being broken as shit gave him the wins
I know this is a year ago but...
Did you really call M2K bad?
EJJTheMiner not saying he is a bad player, but all he really did in this specific match was abuse how broken diddy was
Okay that makes sense
Mew2Queen reppin' the top tier. Oh yeah!
How to beat rosaluma: jiglypuff's short hop Fair. Rest when she fairs into the ground
what is rage?
It's when a character's percentage increases to a certain amount, their attacks deal increased knockback. It's basically a comeback mechanic.
So glad Dabuz lost. I hate Diddy, sure. But Rosalina and Luma are friggin' annoying. -_-
He won though
... Preeeeeety sure Dabuz didn't win...
tbh Kirby is the best character out of all of them.
Lol, not even close. It is widely agreed upon that Diddy is the best character.
Yea, I can use Kirby. Sorta good. He's much slower in SSB4 now, so it's a little harder to do combos compared to before. It's pretty much agreed that Diddy and sheik are 2 of the best.
***** *chudat cries in the corner because his main was nerfed*
...
*shofu cries in the corner harder*
Samuel Petersen lol yea... Im Maining M2 and Sheik. Havent played too much recently.. My main in brawl was between Olimar and Kirby. I think Im better with Oli.
***** Did you get my joke though
Dammit guys it's 3am! Don't talk about these things
Dabuz can't even angle Rosalina's recovery correctly?! He still needs more practice.
Dabuz's faces...jesus man.
Let me explain something, this shit is getting stale. Smash 4 wont get any respect, why? Custom moves aren't allowed thats why. That alone should've set this game apart from previous titles. Custom moves can literally dictate who's top/mid/bottom tier(Example Palutena).What if people can find AT's with a different combination of moves? People are gonna continue to DooDoo on this game until something changes that about it that you cant compare to previous titles, and I dont remember a smash game where a character could use more than 4 special moves.
Not sure if Satire Stan or Casual Cancer...
I don't know how you guys can play for 24 hours straight wtf, yall gotta chill
I tought mewtwo king was better then that but he not really good...
I hope they will nerf diddy kong, so all the 'good' diddy kong player will be blown away!
LUCAS HYPE! ^.^
There is a type on the title, 'didd kong'
*typo
I noticed it after I typed it I was just too lazy to fix it, which is kind of ironic
Am I the only person who finds Dabuz the most boring person to watch play Smash?
He camps if he has too to win and that's boring, but at the end of the day it's his living(most likely) and I love seeing how Rosaluma play so I can rekt all of them in sight! >:D
I think It's just rosalina in general that's super boring to watch. Just very disgusting to play having to fight 2 bodies at once. I personally think she was a mistake for this reason but, just my opinion.
***** I also find it funny how a Luma from Super Mario Galaxy is such a threat in Smash 4, but in the actual series it's kinda meh.
You're far from the only person who finds Dabuz boring to watch. His only strategy for winning is to constantly keep his distance, and that can get very dull very fast.
I mean it's effective and all. Gotta give him that. It's just that the only thing his matches are good for is going to sleep..
LOL Diddy Kong clapping
wow.. its funny how easy thid game has gotten. any nub can pick up a controller and take on the pros in smash 4. smash 2 rip..
no no I know mewtwo king is pro, but seriously compare this match to any of his melee matches and you'll see what I mean. The tech, the unbalanced charecters, the game is crap and will remain crap until their final update in god knows when.
+Smithofthe Kilovariety this game is in no way easy lmao no new player would be able to handle top tier players like this, likewise with melee, you can't just play 3 games and expect to be able to contend with the greats
its nothing like melee. any new player who knows the basics of rolling the fuck away cant get wiped across the stage like in melee. too many new fucking invincible frames, every hero is op as shit in their own way (think dota 2) and playing keep away with ranged is now easier than ever. unless ur shiek or recently bayanetta, you cant even get chained for shit anymore. GG- this game is dead.
cry more pls
+TheTrueGameGeek cute respons3 clearly the fanbase is dead as well.
hella campy
Yam city
God this is so boring to watch compared to melee...
And not to mention the only way m2 could kill this kid was by gimping a grab into up air, real skill.
These announcers are horrible.
The luma in this game is a male. Soo...
How do you know it's a male? It could be genderless or A-sexual. Do lumas even mate with each other? I thought they use star bits to reproduce.