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the fact that they literally brought in people from their MISSILE division to design the superbird is one of the coolest backstories to a design I can think of
I love the idea of actual stock car racing, like it was originally intended. It would be 10 times more exciting to me.
The "window" is quickly closing for a stock based car todo actual racing (thanks Dem voters, Biden's killing performance cars like it's 1971 again).
The factory support isn’t there. They aren’t going to build special cars just to qualify for nascar. Plus at no point were they racing actual stock cars. The bodies may have been mostly stock, but the rest of the car wasn’t. Even the engines may have been similar displacement and layout, but they weren’t stock engines.
Same tbh. Watching a tube chassis with a basic skin go 300 laps is boring. Watching some tuned up corolla go 140 for 50 laps? Hell yeah, you son of a bitch, I'm in.
@@NBSV1 "at no point were they racing actual stock cars" is a very ignorant statement, especially since Glenn Dunaway was DQ'd from the very first NASCAR strictly stock race for having illegal spring/shock mounts on the rear of his Ford.
The rule books and history don't agree with you.
The #71 Daytona last raced in 1970, when the rules included - "Engine production requirements will continue to be 500 engines installed in cars", "All parts must originate from stock production castings and forgings which have been machined according to the normal machining schedule utilized for standard production parts. They may be subsequently refined, modified and improved by further machining or rework.", "Section 20-6 -- Transmissions - a. Standard production, which are cataloged and available through regular dealer channels may be interchanged in any model.", Engine - Cylinder blocks must be production with standard external measurements in all respects with the exception of the permissible overbore", "Section 20-15 -- Cylinder Head - a. Must be standard production. Internal changes permitted.", "Section 20-17 -- Crank Shaft - a. Standard production design. Stroke may be increased or decreased. Balancing permitted.", "Section 20-21 -- Electrical - a. Ignition system must be standard for make and model."
Even the seats, "Bucket seats compulsory but must be factory manufactured."
And side glass, "All side window glass must conform to original size and thickness, and all opening and closing equipment must remain as originally manufactured".
Read the rule books at aerowarriors dot com and you will notice quite a bit of the car was stock for the first 40 years or so, which is nowhere near 'at no point'.
That racing still exists, its now under a different name but sport car racing is pretty good.
I watched an interview a few years back, with one of Chrysler's engineers at the time the winged cars were developed. And perhaps the most important element of the wing design NOT discussed here in this video, is the following: The engineer explained how it turned out that the best feature of the wing in the back, was each SIDE of the wing. The race car drivers stated that at high speeds on the big banked ovals of Daytona and Talladega, as they were exiting the turns at higher speeds than ever before, the rear end would start to get loose, causing the rear to "yaw" to the outside, but because of the car NOT being in a straight line due to being loose, with the rear starting to "yaw" those blade shaped sides of the wings would then CATCH the air, and literally push the rear of the car right back in line with the front of the car. One racer swore: "I got very loose coming out of the turn & thought I was going to spin out for sure, because I had never drove through those banked turns at such high speeds, but as the car got loose, suddenly, it felt like a giant hand grabbed the rear of the car, and gently pushed it right back where it was suppose to be"......end quote. So as it turned out in actual track performance, it was IN THE TURNS, and THE SIDES of the wing, which are shaped like blades to AVOID catching air in the straightaways, suddenly CAUGHT the air when the rear of the car started to yaw out, thus pushing it right back where it was suppose to be, and it did it every time, like clockwork. Once the drivers got used to how well it worked coming out of the turns, their confidence was boosted for driving much faster through the banked turns .......more than ever before.
I've read that too and it makes perfect sense. Probably helped when another car side drafted and took away your downforce too.
This sounds exactly right, except when you feel Yaw in your hands, it's not just a side-to-side motion. It also forces the vehicle to dig into the direction your vehicle is being turned, so you turn and tumble. In a boat, or a plane, or a car, Yaw forces your ass end around and your front to tumble over. Avoid Yaw.
Well, that depends on how the car is set up. There's a multitude of ways to set up a cup car: different springs/shocks, anti roll bar sizes, down-force, even tire pressures. It is generally accepted among the veteran drivers that a loose car is a fast car. But ya have to have the correct set-up in the front of the car to deal with it. If you watch the old footage of the winged cars at both Talladega & Daytona, you can literally see the ass end of the cars just starting to yaw, to the brink of spinning out, but the air pressure on THE SIDE of the wing (the upright section, not the top ) literally pushes the ass end of the car right back in line with the front, so the car is once again under control & tracking straight. Many drivers of the winged cars testified to the incredible performance that wing delivered on exiting the turns at greater speeds, and the video footage proves it as well.
@@howabouthetruth2157 Yes, exactly. Its ass slides a bit, but it doesn't start to roll a bit. It doesn't Yaw, which is a horrible feeling in your hands on a steering wheel. But this also ended real NASCAR, Race on Sunday, Sell on Monday. I still enjoyed NASCAR up to about the mid 70s, you could still tell them apart. Since then, they are all wind-tunnel cars with different stickers. Myself, I was the #21 Purolator Mercury fan.
On an airplane it's called a vertical stabilizer. Some of the 1950s cars had tail fins that actually helped the handling.
"And Chrysler had a missile division." Missed opportunity. That should've been the opening sound-bite.
Ford had a spy-plane division during this era as well weird times were the 60's
I had an old GMC fridge. You could hang 300lb or more on the door and not tell it. It sat outside for years. Still works as far as I know.
Shoulda just put missiles on the car for propulsion tbh
@@afriendofafriend5766 They did that actually to a 1965 a jet powered Chrysler (I forget the car name)
That's actually the way it evolves 2 CHRYSLER rocket & missle sketch!!!!!
"There's nothing stock about a stock car"
-Harry Hogge 1990
Harry Hyde. The real crew chief hogg was based on
Most manufacturers of stock cars are traded on the stock market though! 🤣
Imagine if Toyota Camrys were actually like their NASCAR brethren?
@@theriotartist
Yah, with pushrod V-8s. Of course the last pushrod V-8 Toyota built was a hemi
Put the hammer down Cole
“I got an idea but you’re not going to like it” 😂🐐
Some people hate Dodge/Chrysler, but there's so many moments in their history where you wonder if cocaine and hookers weren't involved in the decision making process.
Winged cars. The GLH cars. Everything in the 80s/90s with turbos. (Turbo stick shift MINIVAN!) The Viper. The Neon SRT-4. The Prowler. The 300/Magnum/Charger/Challenger HEMI cars. Everything they've stuffed a Hellcat into. Still hoping they snort another line and do a Hellcat powered minivan.
@@johnhufnagel well said sir, well said 🤘🏾
@@johnhufnagel: I'm holding out for the, "All New for 2022! The Dodge Viper Caravan SRT T/A Town and Country edition. A lethal combination of performance and luxury. A 7 liter Twin Turbo V-10 with a dual clutch, paddle shifter transmission with optional line-lock. Brembo disc brakes with 6 piston calipers. Optional Recaro baby seat with 5 point harness and alcantara leather. Color options include Panther Pink and Hugger Orange with woodgrain on the sides. Ok Dodge, call your dealers and get the, "Good stuff"! This ain't your Mama's minivan❗ 🤣😂
@@johnhufnagel
As long as your lawyer’s pants don’t catch on fire in court everything should be ok.
If you watched Steve’s latest video...
@@theanomalous1401 I LOVE it! I'd buy one! Could you imagine that with just front wheel drive?
the Daytona's and super birds are by far some of the coolest cars to ever having been made.
They are butt ugly, and they had trouble selling the few that they made.
But, they are VERY cool!!!
@@sludge4125I was about to say that. They had to sell them at a discount to get rid of them. Would they have known..
@@sludge4125 that coming from a generation of people that thought the Scion XB and Nissan Cube were sharp cars...
@@sludge4125the Superbird and Daytona are some of the best looking cars ever made. you dont have to agree with me, but man butt ugly is just a lie!
This is the way NASCAR should still be
Part of why we race 4 cylinder dirt cars. The oem parts factor is fun and interesting to me. It is a limiting factor for sure.
Stock car racing is still awesome and fun. It just isn't on TV and not the apex of racing in America. Go to a local dirt track, plenty of rubbing and cool cars which we all drive.
@@Redmenace96 o for sure!!! and here is a fun fact. the 4bangers at bristol dirt nationals ran just as fast as the cup cars on dirt. hahaha
Go back to the late 60s early 70s and see how many cars dropped out with mechanical problems. It wasn't unusual for half the field or less to be running at the end.
@@almostfm we would definitely benefit knowing the cars to avoid buying on Monday.
"216 miles per hour in a flying mile"...thats cool but nothing new ..."in 1971" *you have my attention now!*
But could it beat Jesko on Nordschleife?
@@UltraCasualPenguin no, but it would have been interesting to see it in the period versus the Ferrari Daytona in such places as Le Mans or Spa-Francorchamps.
@infoslinger production car with 90 day warranty.
@infoslinger actually the "hemi" as a Drag racing motor was from Big Daddy Garlits racing a 392 Hemi from a 1950's 300 back in the early 60's. He was the one who figured out the timing problem they were having with Hemi motors as well. As a bonus he also was the one who figured out how to move the engine from the front to the back where it wouldn't kill you when it blew.
Edit: spelling sucks and i most likely missed something... oh well...
Didn’t the cars that raced on the Avus Rennen hit 200 mph in 1937?
I've always watched vinviki for cars and his channel for basic law/entertainment . NEVER saw this crossover happening. So awwsumm
Me too. They have always been back to back in my daily TH-cam lineup.
I didn't even notice that something was up until I realized, wait a minute, I clicked a vinwiki video!
Ever notice the cars behind him?
@@SGTJDerek lol yes I did but still the last person I expected to see here
@@SGTJDerek
Yeah because I’m always looking for the Benjamin.
I always believed the wing was raised that high to allow opening of the trunk lid.
That was also true of the street versions...
That was a very famous theory back in the day but was indeed incorrect, Jay leno covers this in his channel
It was that high to put it in clean air.
Happy accident. Knowing Chrysler, if the trunk did contact they wouldn’t have changed it. And I say that as a happy Ram owner
@Stephen Suter Charger 500 didn't have the wing, they used the pushed out grill and flush rear window.
Why I quit watching NASCAR: It used to be "stock car" racing with real sheetmetal bodies that actually looked like real cars at the dealership. Yes, the Superbirds and Daytonas were a bit extreme, but still....
What he didn't mention was that there was a prototype 1971 Road Runner Superbird. Some say that the infamous "Coke Bottle" body design of the 1971-1974 B-Bodies was a direct result from the aerodynamic testing and the desire for a more slippery body for racing.
Steve is great and so is his channel. This has been long overdue for VinWiki.
Can't wait for more Steve stories. Hopefully he'll do some lemon law or other cool car stories. His channel LEHTOSLAW is really good. Awesome actually.
It's great that Steve is able to share some of his car stories with a wider audience
@@nomadic_tech it is. I mean he's written books ffs. Lol. Most people don't know that.
I haven't seen a jump in subs on his channel yet. I was hoping the collaboration would up his subs significantly.
Steves an overall good guy. I trust him honestly.
@@joshuagibson2520 You are correct, he's so under-rated on a lot of the things he does unfortunately. An example would be his historical knowledge of the UP, it's staggering but nobody cares because people think history is boring. He is insanely smart but super humble and more people could stand to learn from an even keeled, well versed individual like him.
@@nomadic_tech right on man. He also knows a lot about the outdoors and such. Maybe that what you meant about the UP area though. But yeah, I can't say enough good on the guy. He's a common sense libertarian. That alone is hard not to like.
People aren't into history. When I see the trending tab on YT it makes me cringe. The content people are consuming is garbage. I typically only watch things I can learn from. Documentaries, smarter everyday, action lab, and a bunch of science and firearms channels. There used to be a show called tales of the gun on History channel. At the beginning it said to know the gun is to better understand history. Not exactly that, but the jist of it. Idk man. I'm 42 and have no desire to stop learning.
Tech ingredients, stuff made here, Ave, um....I could go on and on, but there's a ton of great ones.
Homologation stories are always good.
The era of going to a dealer and getting what you want (what you really want) was a golden age for car lovers.
One of the aspects that Steve didn't bring up is that dealers had a really hard time selling the winged cars. I have been told that some dealers went as far as removing the wings and nose cones just to get the cars off their lots. If only we had known.... 🙄
I'm a Lehto fan and didn't expect to see him on here. That's great!
I was watching lehtos law channel when this came live.
Being from Daytona, behind the speedway there's a road which used to have a house with several of these in the front yard. They just sat there rusting for decades. They finally disappeared about 15 or so years ago.
Another cool aerodynamic feature of the wing being so high, the vertical uprights that held it stabilized the car in the yaw axis. In other words, it kept the car straight and not let the rear end slide out like a drift car. One draw back of producing so much down force from the nose cone and tail wing keeping the car nailed to the track was the tires weren't technologically advanced enough to handle the pressure and would wear out quickly.
Definitely an incredible story, and one of the reasons I fell in love with old Mopars. Pretty amazing a car made in 1969, with a carbureted V8, is faster in a standing mile than many modern sports cars
Yes, compare a consumer car with 300 ish horsepower, and weighs a hell of a lot more due to safety equipment, to a lightened racecar from the late 60's with a big block... that's a terrible comparison. Something like a gt2 car is an actual comparison, as they are basically the old school stock car concept don't today.
@@marcusborderlands6177 Got to dispute the idea that daytona's and superbirds were light. As per Nascar rule book back then, "3900 pounds for all cars, with gas, oil and water, ready for racing without driver".
Ben is on the wall, above the youtube plaque
2nd ⭐😎✔
I do not consider myself a car guy, but going on 2 years of watching this channel and I know more car history than many "car buffs" that I come across. It is an enlightening and resource fill channel. Keep up this amazing channel.
There's actually a really cool podcast about the team owner who entered that Daytona in 71 with the small block. The story is in the Dork-O-Motive podcast which I highly recommend checking out if you like VINwiki stuff. Basically, the guy had a drag racer build a small block that could turn at like 11,000 rpm and live and was doing really well but mechanical issues or something ruined the race for them. Really cool story.
Pete Hamilton ruined the race for the Mario Rossi Daytona driven by Dick Brooks. He pushed up into the #22 and spun them both while they were running in the T5.
I was in the middle of watching Steve’s law video when this popped up. Sorry Steve I will watch the rest of yur other video when this is complete. Just curious did you hide Ben in the background on Vinwiki set, I’m not seeing it.
In the comments under his citi lawsuit video he says it’s there somewhere
@@m10rober2011 its tucked under the top side of the youtube subscriber medal.
Just found it, pretty conspicuous but too far in the background to easily spot. I hope he lets Ed keep it there in case someone "wins" it... there's not many hiding spots left in Steve's bookshelves.
@@CheezyDee time to update his office again then
Steve's video today mentioned that they changed it for every video. Oh Ben, where art thou?
The moon, the sun, and the stars finally lined up! I never thought you'd ever get him on the channel. This is the best crossover ever!
8:14 if anyone is wondering what that is (since he doesn't mention it in the video), that is a cover that is used to hide a hole that was cut into the fender. This hole sucks air out of the wheel well and creates a vacuum effect which causes the front to be sucked down even more. I once read that hole did more to improve grip on the car then the wing and nosecone did.
The issue of Mopar Action Magazine shown briefly with the #71 Daytona is the first issue of that magazine I bought back in 2005 when I was 15. Pretty influential reading about muscle cars going that fast and is a big reason I became a classic Mopar owner (1970 Duster) and enthusiast.
Lheto's Law rocking it out on VinWiki.. Stellar!
Hi
Holy cow I wasn’t even looking at my phone and was like “I know that damn lawyer’s voice!” Love his content, so glad to see him here with you guys Ed
The first factory Daytona for the retail market was shown at the New York worlds fair. Chrysler held a lottery with the names of all Dodge dealers in it. The winning dealership was Kingston Dodge in Kingston, Ontario, Canada who had that first car sent to them for retail. That car was purchased by a local resident and still exists.
I was in HS back in the ‘70s and my older brother owned a Superbird. Dropped us off at school one day - oh how I wish I had a selfie of that arrival...
If you have the VIN # I know the guy who manages the registry.
What do you think of the wing cars? Too much?
SSSSTTTTEEEVVVEEEEE!!!! (thank you so much, VinWiki. I have been asking for this for over a year.)
They’re awesome never too much !
A thing of Beauty 😍
Too much $ to have one maybe.
I begged my dad to buy one when I was a kid. I told him it would be worth money because it was rare.
I told him Hemi 4 speed Daytona.
He bought a New Yorker.
Wondered how long it would take to get Lehto to appear! Mint!
When you watch “Lehto’s Law” then the next video you randomly watch is VinWiki 😂😂😂
One of the most important aero tweaks to the wing cars isn't mentioned in this vid - the cutouts over the front wheels. While it was claimed at the time to be for tire clearance, what it was actually doing was venting the air pressure build up in the wheelwells that would otherwise add lift to the front of the cars. That single tweak probably did more to stick the front of the car to the track than the nosecone ever did - the nosecone reduced drag, but it didn't reduce lift. The fender cutouts reduced lift much more effectively, to the extent that similar cutouts in the fenders are being used today in top level sportscar (IMSA & WSC) racing.
Steve!! His book about the Chrysler Turbine car is pretty great.
And now....Steve Lehto
More videos like this please ☝- love the racing and dealership stories, but history lessons like this one (and Casey Putsch's views on the world) are what makes this channel special.
OMG it's TH-cam's favorite lemon law attorney! About time they got you on here!
Love Lehto’s channel; somehow a lawyer makes law entertaining
Great to see Steve on VINWiki. Love both channels.
Awesome Ed, I'm glad you got Steve Lehto to come here, he tells great stories!
Thanks for the great story, Steve!
Oh man, I was so excited to see Steve on here. I’ve been watching his podcast for years!
I knew about the Superbird but didn't realize there was a Dodge version as well. Very cool.
Really?
Doubt it
@@Max-me9xq I'd believe it. The Superbird is certainly the more well known car. Particularly as the Superbird was built in much larger numbers.
The Daytona came out in 69. Superbird 1970.
Notice how the rear wings are different between the two cars? The uprights are angled differently as viewed from the side.
I love seeing him come on here. I listen to him all the time.
I knew it was a matter of time before Steve found his way to Vinwiki. Love both of their channels
Awesome to see Steve on VinWiki. I've been a subscriber to both channels for some time. Good stuff!
OH SHIT 2 OF MY FAV CHANNELS COLIDE. STEVE LEHTO AND VINWIKI
This must have been what it was like for the first people to mix chocolate and peanut butter
Now This is Interesting! How about more like this, please?
Steve is a wealth of automotive knowledge and history
Love his TH-cam channel
This made me SOOOOO happy, basically my two favorites channels!
The content that you bring... Amazing! Thank you guys
Is that Ben above the Vinwiki youtube plaque?
Yessss! I think I actually commented on and found it first. I had little hope. I'm legally blind in one eye and the depth of the Vinwiki set made it challenging for me.
Awesome.
1st 🤩🏆🥇🎯
@@yadayada752 saweeet. I didn't even think about it honestly. I saw a comment mentioning it and I was off to find it! I got lucky. I can't see too well. Def not like you can on Steves set.
Thanks for letting us know
@@NYOB0001 anytime my friend.
Can’t tell ya how much I enjoy ur channel. Steve has been a great addition. Thanks!
So glad Steve made it over to VINWIKI!! GREAT legal/automotive stories over at LehtosLaw! Licensed in Michigan, national appeal! ;)
One of my favorite race car stories of all time!
Steve sent me.
very good video, thank you ed and the vinwiki team for putting out great content!
What a great collaboration! I've never heard of your channel so I'm definitely going to watch more.
What a time to be alive! Waaaaaay before my time. Great story....
I was just listening not watching, and thought, hey that sounds like Steve! Looked, and YES! My man Steve! Great story! Looking forward to more.
Just an amazing video. Love hearing the stories about NASCAR. Keep it up
A couple of details not mentioned: Petty left Chrysler for Ford after they refused to let him drive the Dodge Daytona. Plymouth lured him back in 1970 after building the Superbird. Bill France restricted the engine size. In the Winged Cars. The Daytona that was run with the small displacement V8 at the 1971 Daytona 500 was actually very competitive before it was involved in a crash.
The Plymouth superbird will always be my dream car
Mine too. 200+mph, a wing before the F40, exotic looks, room for five, a trunk.
One of my lottery-win dreams is having a modernized version built for me. 😁
Lehto and Vinwiki? This is amazing!
A great piece of film. I've been a fan of Steve's work for several years and i was lucky to meet and spend time with him at the 2015 Aero Warriors reunion at the Wellborn Museum which is home to the #71 K+K Daytona.
Best story outside of an Ed story, need more!!
Why didn't the Robot Lady say something ????
* The Sexy Canadian Robot Lady
Watch out for low flying owls 😂🤣
Fantastic episode - great speaker and awesome subject matter. History and discovery. I've been into circle track, muscle cars and all of the above my whole 46 years.....and I learned a lot in this video. Thanks!
I've always had a love for Superbirds and I'm glad I saw this story. Thank you!
I'd love to see Nascar do a stock car series in the modern day where they take Camaros and Mustangs and Challengers and such and basically do what they did in the early days of stock car racing. It'll never happen, but it would be cool to see. I'd start watching again that's for sure.
It’s called SCCA
The British Touring Car Championships still do that kind of "compromised class" racing, and I absolutely agree: I wish more series would go back to that.
earlier than Ed to a McLaren F1 sighting
Glad to see the Lehto on VinWiki! Can't wait to see all of the other videos!
"for some odd reason General Motors wasn't all that interested" - then much later we find out that GM was threatened with Antitrust Legislation. GM was so dominant in sales in the early 60's they were preparing to jettison Chevrolet so they could keep the rest of the company together... and to make sure they didn't get too much market share they banned racing most racing efforts throughout the 60's.
Final a great story for this week. Yah!!
Steve’s the best! Love the vid!
The Steve is a great storyteller, thank you for having him on your channel.
Had no idea Steve did all this. Been following him for a long time. Great vid!
I have to say of all the things that I thought Steve was up to.....Him showing up here didn't even cross my mind! It was a great surprise!
oh snap, its Steve Lehto! My favorite YT attourney
Great show, very interesting. Thank you.
I've heard this car story before, I will listen to it again. I remember seeing these cars when I was 9 years old. Now I understand what they are. Always good to learn.
Welcome once again to Lehto’s Law.
The planets have aligned! Now we need some of Steve’s crazy “lemon law” and other crazy cars stories.
They're coming!
A Cobra Jet 428/429 Boss Semi Hemi Wing car would have been sick! I loved the Daytona and Super bird even since I was a kid. 215+ in '71! Imagine if we never had the Fuel Crisis!
I always wondered if Steve would ever come to Vinwiki. When he published his book a few years back I was lucky enough to get a signed copy that I cherish to this day. I love the story behind early NASCAR and all the crazy cars/stories that's come from the sport.
This is the greatest collaboration of all time
Chrysler engineering is unmatched when it comes speed from 1964 to 1971. The mighty HEMI has a lot to do with this.
Making a road version of a race "stock" car, as opposed to racing a street-legal stock car, was the same stunt that Ford pulled in the 1980's in the UK and Europe - making the Sierra Cosworth 500, which also had a ridiculously large rear wing. It was a stock car heavily modified for racing, then the race version produced in sufficient numbers to meet the homologation requirements. ...... Ford also made the RS200, rallying, which had no road-going equivalent, but was homologated as a road car by making 200 in street-legal specs, and selling them to the public.
Whoa.... never thought I would see lehto on this channel! So glad to see it!
I never thought I would see the day where one of my family members would be the topic of a vin wiki episode love you uncle Larry!
Great story and told very well.
It is great to see Steve on this channel, and I see he brought the hundo with him, very fun!!
Ford : It's not rocket science
Chrysler : Well actually
i own 2 SuperBirds and let me dispel a few myths about them. my father and i also owned the very first Chrysler wing car ever sold to the public: the red with white tail 69 daytona charger serial #000006. now in the possession of Larry Bell of Indianapolis.
ALL SuperBirds have a hidden "J code number" which tells the owner exactly which one he has. also separates the Birds from all other 70 Chrysler B-bodies. and the rear wing? it is internally braced by a series of very large trunk floor mounted brackets....it is at its particular height and size to get it into clean air that rolls over the drooped roof and bubble rear window of the SuperBird...and the factory added small trunk lid stops to the hinge area so that the lid would not strike the wing when opened.
If you want to talk about the greatest exploit in NASCAR, you can't avoid Bill Elliot in the 1987 season. At Talladega that year, he had a major malfunction and was stuck in the pits for two laps. He emerged on the track, raced the entire last half of the race averaging more than 210 mph, lapped the field twice and won the race. You can't tell me he was in any way equal to cars in the field which were supposed to be alike. But not a word, to my knowledge, has ever come out about what was the secret in Bill Elliot's car that year. One thing for sure. It was so superior to the rest of the field that being two laps down didn't matter.
The winged cars never achieved anything near that level of dominance. At best they were barely better than the Ford Torino on the big tracks only. Even then they lost as many races as they won.
yes Bill Elliott's 212 mph 87 Thunderbird!!! My dad has told me about that multiple times because he watched it in 87 when I was just a kid and I seen that car at a museum when I was growing up I can't remember where but I got pictures sitting beside it it still exists today! thanks for bringing that up brother
@@trackpackgt877 Yes, if anything the winged cars were a great disappointment in performance. They certainly weren't the greatest exploit.
@@RockinRobbins13 👍 agreed
@@trackpackgt877 However, had they been allowed to continue and if Ford followed suit, NASCAR would have been a lot safer for Bill Elliot in 1987! and the REAL greatest exploit in NASCAR history.
some of the conversations that were not supposed to be made public about a few of the cars, like elliots, got published anyway. lots of cheating went on in nascar that was overlooked or condoned by nascar. there are several tell tale books by former drivers etc that tell plenty about it. i was fortunate enough to be around in those years and got quite an earfull listening to the drivers and mechanics.
Steve is probably the person I've been most excited to see on the channel. Can't wait for more
Those nose pieces were made by Masco Tech.
My brother worked for a Masco Tech in the 90’s and the superbird nose project was something way before his time. This was in Rochester Michigan. I want to talk to him about this again as soon as I can...... 👏👏👏
Where did the 55MPH sign go? Steve stole it! It's on his set today!
dayum! you're right--I bet you always win at where's Waldo... and where's Ben...
@@georgiapatriot4575 above the Vinwiki plaque. Left side. ;)
I suck at Waldo. Lol