Fun fact: Otto brought in 100 cats in the book after Aegon hanged all the rat catchers. That's why there were cats for Arya to chase in GoT. That's also where Tommen's cat, Ser Pounce, came from.
I don’t think Cole genuinely believed in that plan, dude just spent the whole night and morning cooking in his own guilt and looking for excuses or for someone else to blame (other than himself) and when he found a scapegoat to vent his frustrations out on and that scapegoat shot questions back at him (questioning his integrity and honesty) it really pissed him off. So what does Cole do, he sends that motherfu… off on a suicide mission, if he succeeds then Cole gets credit for the plan, if he switches over to Rhaenyras side then Cole can label him a traitor who must of played a role in the child’s murder, if he fails and dies then. . .oh well I won’t be seeing him again. For Cole it’s a perfect plan to kill HIS enemies (1 stone to possibly kill 2 birds or at least 1) so not a great plan for the greens but definitely for Cole.😂Kings Landing is starting to rub off on him, let’s hope he plays some more games (I don’t like generic agro male villains, so this sort of gaslighting manipulative shit is better from Cole)
I love that we see Alicent going to Otto for comfort and him not giving her any to the next scene of Alicent not going to comfort Aegon. I also think some of that is the guilt she feels. But just seeing all the trauma passed along.
Btw the actor who plays Cole is getting a lot of hate and harassement online. He had to limit his comments because people can't differentiate between actor and character. I hate when that happens.
@@dorvrith It’s what tabloids said about Jack Gleeson, but it was all wrong. He was not harassed like Fabien Frankel is on social media or in random encounters. Jack always rectified in interviews that people where cool with him and understood the difference between him and his character. He quit acting because he hated the notoriety. So times changed and/or dumber people are watching the show.
We aren't going to forget him murdering Laenor's secret boyfriend our of jealousy, right? Or when he casually murdered that old small council member in S1E09? Or his ridiculous super-incel energy before Alicent finally took pity on him and they started boning? That guy blows.
@@ianwestche didn't kill Joffrey out of jealousy. If was jealousy he would have killed Laeonr. Joffery essentially blackmailed him. How is he an "incel"? He voluntarily took a vow of celibacy.
I honestly believe that is Rhaenyra went to Cole at this moment and told him that she would go sell oranges with him. He would be outta there. He is so butt hurt.
The real reason that Aegon fired Otto in book wasn't because of revenge or things like that, it was actually because Otto's choices were bad and Aegon was done and wanted to act. That's the real reason but the show making it a comedy scene 😂
Also, just want to compliment that fight scene at the end. The twins gave us what might be one of the most realistic sword fights we've ever seen on screen fr.
I get Otto's anger towards Aegon, but what did he expect would happen when he yelled to a grieving father about how much he sucked, how stupid he was, how his dad didn't even want him to rule? Like yeah sir, he will fire you lol. Especially since Alicent and Otto are the ones who convinced Aegon that Viserys chose him, Aegon was trying to run away because he knew his dad never chose him. Otto got overly emotional and blundered, massively. And the consequence of that is Criston being hand now.
Aemond has serious mommy issues. Aegon is giving me Joffrey vibes. Making Cole the new Hand. What could possibly go wrong? Brother killing brother. Brother killing himself. What a tragic mess. Thanks a lot, Cole. "Aegon is still malleable" In what universe? "I have sinned" "I do not wish to hear of it" Father of the Year.
I agree -- Cole was just frustrated and desperate and wanted something that would just end this. He didn't think the "send the twin" plan through, but what little thinking he did told him that this was going to work. He recognized Arryk's value, both as a guard, and his loyalty -- he chose the king over his beloved family! He didn't send Arryk thinking he was going to die for no reason.
Except for the fact that he didn't see that he shouldn’t have counted Rhaenyra out. You could see him grappling with that decision this episode. Instead, he went years living with complete idiots.
@@MFBloosh People underestimate how much Tywin had the deck stacked in his favor. Otto has to work much smarter than Tywin who can just come in ann start making orders that everyone has to value.
Amazing that he didn't anticipate Aegon murdering the rat catchers. He should have cause he's always been a triflin, feckless rapist and an idiot. His ass didn't anticipate getting fired either.
I love how funny this show is, without the lazy Disney-level writing where they try to force humor and pauses for audience reactions. It’s funny because the natural reactions from these characters are funny. All the characters are so good. Alllll of them.
You are my new best friend. The hate you have for freaking Cole matches mine. I know how he ends in the book, but I hope the show makes his death 10 times works. Poor Aemond has Momma Issues. And with Alicent as his mother, who can blame him. Otto is not a good man, just as Tywin Lannister was not a good man or father, but I would take Otto and Tywin advising me over Cole any damn day of the week. They are heartless and brutal but also smart and cunning and Cole thinks he is those things, but he is a bitter little man-child who can get over the fact Rhaenyra turned him down flat. He's the poster boy for the INCEL movement. I don't think Cole believed sending the twin would work. He banked on him being killed because he was the one man who stood up to him.
my predictions for upcoming episodes- helaena runs to dragonstone to escape the greens. aegon killed by otto. Aemond is crowned. final battle betweem aemond vs rhaenyra and daemon. aemond and daemon die in battle. rhae sits the iron throne
I thought maybe the Green twin woulda won the duel, then played it off for a few episodes, even gaining our trust as the audience, only to go after her when her guard is down or something.
Bethany Antonia, the actress playing Baela has a biracial mother and white father just like the character herself. No it’s not impossible for her skin color to be brown because we’re literally looking at her. The girl who played younger Baela also has a white father.
Bethany's mother is biracial but her father is black not white. She is estranged from her black dad. She is clearly very black. At most 25% white from her mother being half cast. You are correct about young Baela but even that is a casting mistake. Laena valyrian is biracial and her kids with Damon would be only 25% black and look like Meghan Markle
@@lynnd.5135 Her dad is white and deceased, she posted a pic of him on her Insta. And no, that’s not how skin color works. These ignorant comments is why I even had to reply and idk why he’s annoyed when he just reduced her character to skin color while everyone else gets normal commentary about what’s happening on screen. Multiracial people do not live in a box of only specific skin colors. I can’t believe this has to be explained in 2024.
@@Goldenaerrows well actually she is estranged from her black father( shocker). Her mother was married to a white man called Tony Clarke who died years before Bethany was even born. Then her mother had Bethany with a black dude who is estranged. She sometimes uses Clarke as a last name because that's her mother's married name with the white husband Tony who died. No record of her black father's surname anywhere. Obviously I don't know if her mother is now in a relationship with another white man who might have helped raise Bethany. I mean highly possible that her mother didn't go all 20+ years of Bethany's life single. Maybe she has a white stepdad who she calls dad
@marissanorth85 fiction still has to make sense. Aegon the Conqueror's mother was a Velaryon. So Daemon, Rhaenyra and Viserys all should have been mixed race. Rhaenyra having white sons makes her seem reckless. At least in the book, she could blame their dark hair on their Baratheon blood.
The show has diminished Cole so far. He has a much closer relationship with Aegon in the book. He was the one who convinced Aegon to take the throne. His nickname is the Kingmaker. So him becoming Hand is less surprising.
Otto is most definitely my favorite character on this show. Just as Cersei was my favorite in GOT... deliciously evil, very clever (not infallible) fearless, but still had a small but true love for her children. Otto is much the same way. But the fact that he is a man in such a very patriarchal world has given him the advantage. He has been Hand to three kings, and has observed politics up close and personal, allowing him to sharpen his manipulation skills and his powers of deceit. He is always interesting and never disappointing.
@@blondymonk1535 Otto's had his evil moments. Pimping out his own daughter... attempting to put a hit out on Rhaenyra in Season 1... selling out his grandchildren. He has some admirable qualities (much like Tywin), but he's capable of doing evil things. And if you do enough evil things, you are evil.
@@blondymonk1535 Do you get it??? Tywin and Cersei were both evil. Not only did Tyrion say that...GRRM also said that, and he knows these characters better than you or I. And I didn't exactly call Otto evil. I said he was capable of evil... great evil. After all, if you're willing to kill the children of people who you call friend, and willing to exploit the death of even your own kin, who you claim to love... that's beyond bad.
One of the best written and acted episodes in HOTD or recent GOT. However whoever directed the blocking and editing was doing way too much. We don’t need a new angle every 3 seconds. Let the actors breathe. Some of those amazing scenes would have been incredible if they’d been allowed to just rock in a long take.
I'm so tired of how everyone treats Aegon in this series and outside of it. No one treats him with any sympathy. I really liked the Scene with Aemond in the Whorehouse with the same lady who eyeballed him in Season 1 when he and Criston visited looking for Aegon. Her playing with his hair as he reveals his feelings towards the Luke incident in season 1 is a good scene. Im also so happy to see Adamm and Alyn Hull. These two characters are among my favorite heroes of the Dance of the Dragons
I can't stand the White Worm actress and her bad French accent. Her scenes always seem unnecessary or boring. Maybe it's just the actress or the writing or her accent.
Everyone raves about Otto but he was overreacting about the whole thing. Especially considering he just gives up on Aegon and fucks off leaving Alicent alone. So much for working towards the good of the realm when he literally gives up on Aegon barely 2 weeks after he was crowned King after he did one inconsequential thing behind his back. Rhys' acting was stellar but the context of the scene is horrible.
Otto snapped but he didn’t give up. He's going to the Reach to get the Tyrells in line and to recruit Daeron who is easily the most reasonable of his grandsons.
Aegon made 3 big mistakes that's going to come back on him because he has no idea on how to be a king, a good leader. Otto wasn't overreacting at all. He's playing chess while Aegon and Criston are playing hopscotch.
Fun fact: Otto brought in 100 cats in the book after Aegon hanged all the rat catchers. That's why there were cats for Arya to chase in GoT. That's also where Tommen's cat, Ser Pounce, came from.
Cole: "What I THINK has no RELEVANCE!"
The Audience: "For once, we agree!"
I don’t think Cole genuinely believed in that plan, dude just spent the whole night and morning cooking in his own guilt and looking for excuses or for someone else to blame (other than himself) and when he found a scapegoat to vent his frustrations out on and that scapegoat shot questions back at him (questioning his integrity and honesty) it really pissed him off. So what does Cole do, he sends that motherfu… off on a suicide mission, if he succeeds then Cole gets credit for the plan, if he switches over to Rhaenyras side then Cole can label him a traitor who must of played a role in the child’s murder, if he fails and dies then. . .oh well I won’t be seeing him again. For Cole it’s a perfect plan to kill HIS enemies (1 stone to possibly kill 2 birds or at least 1) so not a great plan for the greens but definitely for Cole.😂Kings Landing is starting to rub off on him, let’s hope he plays some more games (I don’t like generic agro male villains, so this sort of gaslighting manipulative shit is better from Cole)
The way Otto reacts to Aegon telling him about Cole's plan will never NOT be funny to me. Just this " Oh, we are so f*cked..."
He didn't know whether to be angry or MYSTIFIED with the incompetence.
@@JimmyMacram ironically if mysaria wasn't here it would have worked.
The fact that Otto called it a Prank like they are going to upload it on YT.😂😂
@@blerdywifeyshit had me crying lol
@@marleymarsss no cap that shit killed me bro 😂 called it a fucking prank .
I love that we see Alicent going to Otto for comfort and him not giving her any to the next scene of Alicent not going to comfort Aegon. I also think some of that is the guilt she feels. But just seeing all the trauma passed along.
Btw the actor who plays Cole is getting a lot of hate and harassement online. He had to limit his comments because people can't differentiate between actor and character. I hate when that happens.
The same thing happened with Joffery's actor sadly
@@dorvrith It’s what tabloids said about Jack Gleeson, but it was all wrong. He was not harassed like Fabien Frankel is on social media or in random encounters. Jack always rectified in interviews that people where cool with him and understood the difference between him and his character. He quit acting because he hated the notoriety. So times changed and/or dumber people are watching the show.
Cristin Cole, the guy at the office who failed up until everyone hated him
They made Rhaenyra Targaryen look incredible in this episode.
Yea really giving off that valyrean beauty .
Don't underestimate Cole. Recall his battle plans with Aemond last episode. And he isn't afraid to commit a few war crimes.
Indeed, and let's also not forget that he defeated Daemon in the tournament last season.
@@TopNotchStonerwith a strike from behind lol y’all can’t be serious, that was not a real fight.
@@marleymarsssbecause famously, nobody has ever been struck from behind in a real fight correct?
@@turntaab5364 would you call that an actual fight? If so, there’s no need to respond
@@marleymarsss yes I would call a contest at arms where one individual is forced to yield an actual fight, because by definition it would be a fight.
Otto with the Bars this episode. Never let a tragedy go to waste 😂
If Criston Cole has no haters, it means I'm dead. It's kind of hilarious considering how much I enjoy Alicent's character, but Criston suuuuucks.
We aren't going to forget him murdering Laenor's secret boyfriend our of jealousy, right? Or when he casually murdered that old small council member in S1E09? Or his ridiculous super-incel energy before Alicent finally took pity on him and they started boning? That guy blows.
@@ianwestche didn't kill Joffrey out of jealousy. If was jealousy he would have killed Laeonr. Joffery essentially blackmailed him.
How is he an "incel"? He voluntarily took a vow of celibacy.
Not Otto going from middle of the pack to THE GOAT in one episode 😂
Middle of the pack???
@@JimmyMacram Yeah, you're right... My team black biases are showing. Lmfao.
Aegon is infinitely more interesting this season.
Cole is the epitome of failing upwards 💀
I adore Otto's delivery of the word "petty". It's glorious. I need to look up the actor
Baela and Rhaena should smack Daemon
Can't stand Otto but he was so on point in this episode.
The 🐐
@01:28: as awkward as it was, Otto tried at least to have a comforting word and gesture. It’s more than Alicent could do with Aegon.
Aegon is basically Sonny Corleone. He wants a wartime consigliere. Can't fault him for not being Michael. At least he isn't Fredo.
Please don't insult Sonny like that. Sonny wouldn't have murdered all of those innocent rat catchers.
I honestly believe that is Rhaenyra went to Cole at this moment and told him that she would go sell oranges with him. He would be outta there. He is so butt hurt.
The camera work, the coloring, the acting and the music were all on point.
The real reason that Aegon fired Otto in book wasn't because of revenge or things like that, it was actually because Otto's choices were bad and Aegon was done and wanted to act. That's the real reason but the show making it a comedy scene 😂
To be fair, Criston's crazy plan almost worked lol.
Otto is so goddamn pragmatic in the face of tragedy, it's easy to hate him but almost impossible to fault him
Also, just want to compliment that fight scene at the end. The twins gave us what might be one of the most realistic sword fights we've ever seen on screen fr.
I get Otto's anger towards Aegon, but what did he expect would happen when he yelled to a grieving father about how much he sucked, how stupid he was, how his dad didn't even want him to rule? Like yeah sir, he will fire you lol. Especially since Alicent and Otto are the ones who convinced Aegon that Viserys chose him, Aegon was trying to run away because he knew his dad never chose him. Otto got overly emotional and blundered, massively. And the consequence of that is Criston being hand now.
Otto and Tywin in the same era would be a monstrous team up, or an incredible rivalry.
Welcome to the latest installment of Everybody Hates Cristen
To be fair, Larys tortured Blood for almost 2 weeks in the book and Cheese was never caught. The show chose to accelerate matters.
They should have swapped the last 2 scenes. The brother dying should have ended the episode
Otto puts me in mind of Little Finger
Moreso Larys!!!
It's a shame we saw peak Otto in the episode he gets fired.
Aemond has serious mommy issues.
Aegon is giving me Joffrey vibes.
Making Cole the new Hand. What could possibly go wrong?
Brother killing brother. Brother killing himself. What a tragic mess. Thanks a lot, Cole.
"Aegon is still malleable" In what universe?
"I have sinned" "I do not wish to hear of it" Father of the Year.
Great example of good instant karma with the white worm. Loved that. Also, I love Otto as well, such a great character, love when he’s onscreen.
I agree -- Cole was just frustrated and desperate and wanted something that would just end this. He didn't think the "send the twin" plan through, but what little thinking he did told him that this was going to work. He recognized Arryk's value, both as a guard, and his loyalty -- he chose the king over his beloved family! He didn't send Arryk thinking he was going to die for no reason.
Otto can see so far into the future that he could catch himself on the way back. So far ahead of everyone else.
Except for the fact that he didn't see that he shouldn’t have counted Rhaenyra out. You could see him grappling with that decision this episode. Instead, he went years living with complete idiots.
Otto is literally the Tywin of this story, except Otto is even better than Tywin was at a lot of things.
@@MFBloosh People underestimate how much Tywin had the deck stacked in his favor. Otto has to work much smarter than Tywin who can just come in ann start making orders that everyone has to value.
Aside from the part where his sadistic grandson is unfit to be king and wouldn’t remain under Otto’s control?
Amazing that he didn't anticipate Aegon murdering the rat catchers. He should have cause he's always been a triflin, feckless rapist and an idiot. His ass didn't anticipate getting fired either.
I love how funny this show is, without the lazy Disney-level writing where they try to force humor and pauses for audience reactions. It’s funny because the natural reactions from these characters are funny. All the characters are so good. Alllll of them.
15:45 amen on the eye roll!
It difficult question what skin color kids could have. Take Drake's kid as an example)
You are my new best friend. The hate you have for freaking Cole matches mine. I know how he ends in the book, but I hope the show makes his death 10 times works. Poor Aemond has Momma Issues. And with Alicent as his mother, who can blame him. Otto is not a good man, just as Tywin Lannister was not a good man or father, but I would take Otto and Tywin advising me over Cole any damn day of the week. They are heartless and brutal but also smart and cunning and Cole thinks he is those things, but he is a bitter little man-child who can get over the fact Rhaenyra turned him down flat. He's the poster boy for the INCEL movement.
I don't think Cole believed sending the twin would work. He banked on him being killed because he was the one man who stood up to him.
my predictions for upcoming episodes-
helaena runs to dragonstone to escape the greens.
aegon killed by otto. Aemond is crowned.
final battle betweem aemond vs rhaenyra and daemon.
aemond and daemon die in battle. rhae sits the iron throne
You do know this show is supposed to be 4-5 seasons? And that this season is only 8 episodes? It's a little soon for a "final battle".
Have you read the books?
I thought maybe the Green twin woulda won the duel, then played it off for a few episodes, even gaining our trust as the audience, only to go after her when her guard is down or something.
It's definitely not a biological impossibility that their kids would have a darker tone.
You're taking impossibility too literally. You get the point.
Otto 🐐
I liked Sir Cristan better when he didn't talk🤣
Not gonna lie, I thought the "I hate this mother" would be referring to Alicent not hugging her kids, oops
Bethany Antonia, the actress playing Baela has a biracial mother and white father just like the character herself. No it’s not impossible for her skin color to be brown because we’re literally looking at her. The girl who played younger Baela also has a white father.
ty for taking it as literally as possible
Bethany's mother is biracial but her father is black not white. She is estranged from her black dad. She is clearly very black. At most 25% white from her mother being half cast. You are correct about young Baela but even that is a casting mistake. Laena valyrian is biracial and her kids with Damon would be only 25% black and look like Meghan Markle
@@lynnd.5135 Her dad is white and deceased, she posted a pic of him on her Insta. And no, that’s not how skin color works. These ignorant comments is why I even had to reply and idk why he’s annoyed when he just reduced her character to skin color while everyone else gets normal commentary about what’s happening on screen. Multiracial people do not live in a box of only specific skin colors. I can’t believe this has to be explained in 2024.
@@Goldenaerrows well actually she is estranged from her black father( shocker). Her mother was married to a white man called Tony Clarke who died years before Bethany was even born. Then her mother had Bethany with a black dude who is estranged. She sometimes uses Clarke as a last name because that's her mother's married name with the white husband Tony who died. No record of her black father's surname anywhere. Obviously I don't know if her mother is now in a relationship with another white man who might have helped raise Bethany. I mean highly possible that her mother didn't go all 20+ years of Bethany's life single. Maybe she has a white stepdad who she calls dad
On the skin tone issue, all of these people are supposed to be white including Corlys.
Good thing it's fiction and they can be different.
@marissanorth85 fiction still has to make sense.
Aegon the Conqueror's mother was a Velaryon. So Daemon, Rhaenyra and Viserys all should have been mixed race.
Rhaenyra having white sons makes her seem reckless. At least in the book, she could blame their dark hair on their Baratheon blood.
@@marissanorth85 Dumb argument.
The show has diminished Cole so far. He has a much closer relationship with Aegon in the book. He was the one who convinced Aegon to take the throne. His nickname is the Kingmaker. So him becoming Hand is less surprising.
They have played down his competence but he's a huge jerk in the books too. But Criston is a good fighter so he might actually be decent in a war.
Otto is most definitely my favorite character on this show. Just as Cersei was my favorite in GOT... deliciously evil, very clever (not infallible) fearless, but still had a small but true love for her children. Otto is much the same way. But the fact that he is a man in such a very patriarchal world has given him the advantage. He has been Hand to three kings, and has observed politics up close and personal, allowing him to sharpen his manipulation skills and his powers of deceit. He is always interesting and never disappointing.
Evil? How is Otto evil?
@@blondymonk1535 Otto's had his evil moments. Pimping out his own daughter... attempting to put a hit out on Rhaenyra in Season 1... selling out his grandchildren. He has some admirable qualities (much like Tywin), but he's capable of doing evil things. And if you do enough evil things, you are evil.
@@NovaLena22 That doesn't make him evil. That makes him a bad person.
Bad person: Tywin
Evil: Joffrey
Bad person: Cersei
Evil: Ramsey
Get it?
@@blondymonk1535 Do you get it??? Tywin and Cersei were both evil. Not only did Tyrion say that...GRRM also said that, and he knows these characters better than you or I. And I didn't exactly call Otto evil. I said he was capable of evil... great evil. After all, if you're willing to kill the children of people who you call friend, and willing to exploit the death of even your own kin, who you claim to love... that's beyond bad.
@@NovaLena22 No...
One of the best written and acted episodes in HOTD or recent GOT. However whoever directed the blocking and editing was doing way too much. We don’t need a new angle every 3 seconds. Let the actors breathe. Some of those amazing scenes would have been incredible if they’d been allowed to just rock in a long take.
I'm so tired of how everyone treats Aegon in this series and outside of it.
No one treats him with any sympathy.
I really liked the Scene with Aemond in the Whorehouse with the same lady who eyeballed him in Season 1 when he and Criston visited looking for Aegon.
Her playing with his hair as he reveals his feelings towards the Luke incident in season 1 is a good scene.
Im also so happy to see Adamm and Alyn Hull.
These two characters are among my favorite heroes of the Dance of the Dragons
Agreed
@@theredsir869did we treat Joffrey, Cersei or Ramsey with any sympathy lol? Why is it upsetting when as of today, there’s nothing to sympathize with?
@@marleymarsss Aegon is nowhere near any of the people you listed. He’s way closer to someone like Robert Baratheon.
@@kevinjohnanand the guy rapes women and watches children kill themselves for enjoyment, Robert was nothing like that.
@@kevinjohnanand Aegon rapes women and watches children fight to the death, he is nothing like Robert
I can't stand the White Worm actress and her bad French accent. Her scenes always seem unnecessary or boring. Maybe it's just the actress or the writing or her accent.
Goddamn. lmao
Something is... off. I can't quite place it either.
This episode made me finally realize that there isn't a single character in this whole show that I actually like. I hope everyone loses.
Everyone raves about Otto but he was overreacting about the whole thing. Especially considering he just gives up on Aegon and fucks off leaving Alicent alone. So much for working towards the good of the realm when he literally gives up on Aegon barely 2 weeks after he was crowned King after he did one inconsequential thing behind his back. Rhys' acting was stellar but the context of the scene is horrible.
If you name Cole hotk, you're a hopeless case.
That's in the Bible.
Otto snapped but he didn’t give up. He's going to the Reach to get the Tyrells in line and to recruit Daeron who is easily the most reasonable of his grandsons.
Aegon made 3 big mistakes that's going to come back on him because he has no idea on how to be a king, a good leader. Otto wasn't overreacting at all. He's playing chess while Aegon and Criston are playing hopscotch.
He's not much help when he's not Hand or on the council, Aegon clearly isn't listening to him so he thinks he'll be more useful elsewhere
Otto isn't done yet. He is going to play a big role in a future battle. He is brilliant at what he does.