Also I feel like I shouldn't have to say this but will, this is not hate aimed towards NewJeans. I love their music and wish nothing but the best for the members moving forward, it's really unfortunate that petty industry shit has gotten in the way of such a promising career.
I genuinely hope the best for both groups but honestly I find myself having difficulty to genuinely support NJs knowing MHJ still have so much grip/influence/control on those girls. I truly wish for MHJ to be away like separated from the girls but in reality, it seems there are still many supporting MHJ, even the NJs parents and of course the members of NJs themselves still wants to work with her. So yeah I’m probably wishing for a miracle. The legal battle has only begun and I don’t really know what the future holds for NJs. Oh if you really plan on making a video talking about MHJ I fully support and will watch cause I also have a lot of things I want to discuss and I don’t think there’s any better place than your channel tbh. And thanks for this video
@@moonies321what has she done besides rumors. Like they know her irl while we see her through media i feel i trust nj judgement more since idk they know her
@@gorge6885 this is my perspective. I just do not agree with the things she had said and share through her interviews, her press conference and the pictures she had shared on her instagram
@@gorge6885I suggest you search her interviews and press conferences, and the controversies around her yourself and form your own opinion on her. For me, I just don’t agree with some of the things she had said and done
@@moonies321 that was rhetorical my opinion i dont like or dislike her i appaude her on the fact that she is a successful women but the hate this girl gets vs legit pedos in the industry is WILD
Sometimes I mourn the loss/lack of a relationship (at least the public one) between Illit and Newjeans. The girls probably trained together, possibly could be friends, and I think their concepts compliment each other, almost like they approach nostalgia through different perspectives. It’s a shame the complications of an adult entertainment industry has caused all this mess. I wish Illit the best and I think they’ll do great in the future :) Edit: As far as I’m aware, trainees sometimes are shifted around between labels, that’s why I said they probably trained together, as in before their debut teams were formed/finalized. No guarantees though :) Overall, the entire situation is a mess and I wish all 10 of them the best
They are not trained together. NJ trained at Source Music as N team. Illit from survival show than trained by Be Lift Labs. Their concept is different and concept cannot be copyrighted.
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
this. people also would call me a company stan when i just see the obvious bullshit and gaslighting min heejin spits out - and sorry not sorry, i'm going to call that out. i don't need to be a fan of either of those groups to notice the media play that was going on with her. and you are even more right with the kpop community. as weird as it sounds i'm in this space for almost 7 years and i never thought it could get worse, but with the rise of people just not fact-checking sources (!) and pulling stuff up their ass (in all media tbh) it's almost unmanageable.
YES i wanna yell about the not fact-checking sources phenomenon, it's INSANE. i've had people call me all sort of names bc i asked them politely for the source of their claim so i could check it out too and inform myself. they take it as personal attack.
2:44 and the thing is, they were 6!! they were 6 at first and i've literally seen people say they even copied the number of girls like are u genuinely serious, i miss youngseo so dearly
@@Aysisse honestly, yeah. Even though everyday i wish youngseo was still in the group with the rest of our girls, she did save herself a lot of emotional damage and distress that the rest of the illies are enduring right now :( She definitely wouldve fit into illits current concept nicely, its really such a shame and i do hope shes doing good currently
Not only has this woman damaged a rookie group brand, she has also damaged the portfolio of the artists that worked on illit’s debut, plagiarism accusations are the worst thing that could happen to you when you work in an art field, and the fact that mhj (am supposed artist) let that happen is just cruel. She makes a total mockery to arts and give artists a bad name, she does live up to her "creative genius" status and her impressionable fans keep on feeding her narcissistic behaviour
"impressionable fans" you mean the entire industry? including living legends like takashi murikami, all of these people at the top of the industry can see it but you can't for some reason... what does that say?
@@tienphotographerwell mhj has really manipulative when her dirty laundry is being aired she you are not highlighting that ok what he said about this fued i couldnt find anything i agree hybe us no innocent but mhj oh boy oh have you heard about davolink owner interview
@@tienphotographerso if people at “the top of the industry” love MHJ, we also have to follow them like sheep instead of actually using our brain and forming our own opinion. You summed up the bunny mentality.
@@tienphotographer The entire industry where ? You’re telling me that you formed your opinion based on a public figure you like ? Do you not have a brain on your own ? Can you not think critically alone ? I also don’t recall Takashi ever supporting nj in their little resistance. He worked with them and that’s where it ends
this video is so refreshing and i 100% agree. i personally have also seen so much hate towards illit and its crazy what some people will say behind their screens. how many times do kpop fans need to go through horrible tragedies for us to finally realize it needs to stop? it baffles me, the hypocrisy that kpop stans have.
I feel so bad for ILLIT. People love to fake cry about how artists are treated badly and how important mental health is, just to turn around and bully a group who did nothing wrong. I wasn't a fan of the group's formation, but they have good music and they haven't even had a chance to enjoy their accomplishments.
I used to dislike them because of how salty I was after seeing the results on RUNext then I gave the group a try and became hooked. I was also deeply sympathetic towards them after watching the behind-the-scenes recordings of their songs and because of the major backlash they've gotten from the public thanks to MHJ
As a huge fan of BOTH groups, what you said from 6:00 to 6:22 is exactly how I feel when people say Illit copied Newjeans. For me, they almost couldn't be more different 😭
FR they both have this broad concept of the teen experience. But Newjeans feel more like reflecting on your youth with rose coloured glasses, whereas Illit feel more like a teen daydreaming about their lives and growing up. Not the same, complimentary sure but almost opposite in perspective.
When everyone was (still is) throwing the words ‘plagiarism’, ‘copycat’ whenever ILLIT is brought up, I genuinely feel confused. Because I never really see ILLIT to be that similar to NJs, sure like the video mentioned, both groups are 5 young girls with softer concept and sound, but for me, ILLIT concept feels like there are more fantasy elements, they remind me of cute anime concept for girls and their songs such as Magnetic, Tick Tack has a ‘video game’ feel to it. While NJs for me, is heavily leaning towards nostalgia especially the late 90s, 2000s, very y2k concept overall. And this is coming from someone who is a casual listener, not a fan of either group. Of course, this is just my personal perspective.
I will never understand the "ILLIT is a ripoff of newjeans" idiocy. They really sound and look like their own separate groups with only a few crossover similarities. EDIT: also newjeans feels more western and illit feels more eastern imo
Newjeans feel more like reflecting on your youth with rose coloured glasses, whereas Illit feel more like a teen daydreaming about their lives and growing up. Not the same, complimentary sure but almost opposite in perspective. Definitely understand that they were supposed to be sort of sister groups but not knock off's.
THEY ARE a newJeans rip off and if you still can't see that you are delusional. But that's not their fault and that's the point. The company's strategy behind the group's direction was awful.
I feel incredible sadness when I look at the illit members....like I just see kids trying to pursue their dream and the whole world is basically against them...also I have this intense hatred for mhj that I didn't even know I was capable of feeling.....that woman single handedly ruined 2 groups with the help of highly intelligent kpop fans of course...
i think its odd that fans keep saying illit copied newjeans (they sound NOTHING alike) but always ignore newjeans literally copied similar logo & styling (& possibly name) from latin group jeans & was already found to be true as jeans gave praise & felt flattered. interesting…
It’s funny cus they use the “well jeans don’t mind” excuse but one of the members spoke out against it and got bullied by toxic bunnies into agreeing with the second member who spoke out saying they don’t mind… 💀
@@altnamealt I wouldn’t be shocked if the poor girls got scared of getting hate from that insane fandom and decided it would be better if they didn’t mind
Min Hee Jin has always been someone who you do NOT want managing a bunch of teenagers. From her dubious past with SM ent. to how she's already put NWJNS at risk... I've always been put off by her, especially now that she's manipulated NWJNS and their parents, using NWJNS as a shield and targeting hate towards ILLIT. It's not right, and it's definitely not what Kpop is supposed to be about but oh well
Illit were not created to replace Newjeans. The concepts have a similar vibe, but I always found the two to be more or less complimentary. Newjeans explore the nostalgia of being a teen and first love, whereas Illit explore the dreaming and hoping for the future that you have as a teen yourself. They are both reflecting the experience of youth but from nearly opposite perspective. The creation of Illit was to pull in a lot of Newjeans fan's and casual listener, that's undeniable, but they are not the same. This was working, really well at the launch of the group, and had MHJ not flipped her lid the two would have made GREAT sister groups. MHJ didn't want to have her group even share the spotlight for a second, even if it would help both in the long run, she hates the idea that anyone could work WITH her and not FOR her, because she is a narcissist, she see's what should have been teamwork as a threat, and insult on herself and her creative prowess. She was trying to steal a company and illit where then negatively framed because of this, to the public, but also likely in her own head. Illit became the deflection and it really goes to show the dangers of a multi-label company like Hybe, when single label companies try and do something like this cooperation is excepted and comes easily as staff can float between team to work to the highest potential, but when everyone is employed by different people and can only work on one group at any given time, the "there coming for your job" boogey man becomes a lot easier to peddle and even organically think yourself.
Sorry but this reads a lot like "she should have sat there and let her work be used to create another group because it's going to make more money to the corporation in the long run". I'm so sorry but she has all the right to complain over the use of her ideas in the creation of another group she wasn't involved in. That's the art she and the rest of the creatives behind newjeans worked hard to create. It's completely normal for groups to be inspired by other groups but to have access to the original documents behind their creations isn't. They have the og creator of newjeans there they should have worked with her but she's in her rights to reject them if she didn't want to too. Belift should have tried to be creative and original instead of using newjeans elements in order to make illit. That's their error. I also don't get why it's so bad that mhj tried to "steal" newjeans? Like I understand why would you be mad if you were part of hybe but as a person completely unrelated to hybe I don't gaf if they are in hybe or not, as long as they give me good music. I'm not a company stan lol K-pop stans don't respect the artists and creative behind their favorite groups and it shows in the lack of empathy to mhj in regards to her fight against hybe
It's actually crazy, imagine being called a narcissist simply because you don't want your original work used to make other people money, like that's a slap in the face to a lot of artists. Imagine saying that to Petra collins after her entire aesthetic was used to create euphoria and she didn't get a single dime
@@-_._-._.- it’s bad to steal Newjeans and steal ador because she don’t own it. All she was hired to do is be the ceo and help with creative directing. She stepped out of line because power and money got to her head. Also taking documents isn’t unhinged. Getting info about groups like the plans behind making the group is common just not talked about often. I’m not shocked belift got the plans because hybe owns everything include MHJ work so if belift wanted to see it and hybe allows it, they can
@-_._-._.- 1. It's not original. That's one problem alone. She is mad about something that isn't original 2. Being a creative person myself and cares about the protection of art, min heejin is an exception because WHAT she is complaining about. Complaining about copying of choreo when it's the most basic moves isn't protecting your art. This is like it I complained that someone used the same blue as me in a painting. To bring up Petra is nasty. Her entire visual style was RIPPED from her. Min heejin who stuff isn't even original, is claiming copying not because she cares about her art but because she wants to media play. She did was sam did to Petra when she still from jeans and that one Japanese girl group.
We generally agree here but how on earth is it obvious that hybe was trying to replace new jeans??? The one expert from the leak was such a stretch and their concepts are so different, although there is some inspiration. Seriously what is obvious about this? Is enhyphen a replacement for txt? Not really... to me nothing is true about this assertion.. unless there is evidence I'm not aware of.
Hybe works on formula, when a group starts slightly declining they create a new group with adjacent concept to old one, to appeal to existing fans and then differentiate their identity more with time to grow the newer fan base. It has made sure their new groups have fans off the bat. Also it's never blatant copying it's a strategy. Replace isn't the right word, it's more that they were trying to overlap the fans or rather audiences for the groups by making their appeal a bit similar
The leak of Hybe documents is about customer behavior research that collect the comments from social media. Then someone edited only took bad comments and sent to stup1d politician. PR company and marketing company always did same kind of research. Kpop fans too stup1d to understand what a research is. Hybe audited Ador after 2 imvestors reported Min Hee Jin to Hybe for alleged breach of contract. Because one of the investor also have Hybe's stocks. Then in the first injuction court, it proved that Min Hee Jin have a plan to attack Hybe before Ador existed. But the judge said Hybe is not Ador, although Hybe have damage but Ador still generated profit. In MHJ contract, Hybe can fire MHJ if she damaged Ador. Then Hybe replaced all Ador directors except MHJ. According SK's law, board director can fire the CEO. So, Ador's board director fire MHJ as CEO. It was not Hybe that fired MHJ. Ador is not Hybe according the judge. In the second injunction court, MHJ lost.
@@thissitescertifiedhousecat8107 Idk that I agree? Could you name groups as examples? Bcs I fail to see who you’re talking about. Except for new jeans and illit i’ve never even seen anyone say that any hybe group was similar to the other. Like Bts, seventeen, txt, enhypen, Lesserafim, boynextdoor and tws all have concepts that are very different from the other to me.
Lowkey the mhj drama will haunt illit way worse than it will to newjeans. This is in no way hate towards the girls but they haven’t even gotten the chance to build a stable fanbase before this all happened as opposed to newjeans :((
A lot of groups came up with the nostalgic soft pop sound after NewJeans were successful, a practice as old as time in K-pop as you pointed out with Blackpink and I can name at least more 10 groups that had a similar effect in the industry. The problem Min Hee Jin had with Illit was that, different than the other groups, Illit was being very successful in doing so (a debut viral song that did well both domestically and internationally) and, from her messages that were exposed, she's obsessed with the "fastest group to achieve x" label and felt threatened by them. After getting caught and asked to step down as CEO, it's pretty obvious she saw and opportunity to both deflect from her crimes and destroy those girls and all she had to do was use a bunch of young girls as her shield and trust that brainless toxic k-pop stans would do the rest for her - unfortunately, she wasn't disappointed. I just can't wait for this whole mess to be over so that the people at fault can get punished and everyone else can move on to better things.
Oh mary this is what I needed. Call out the toxic fans. I feelbad for NewJeans, I feel bad for ILLIT, and I feel bad for the normal fans who have to be in the TRENCHES defending these girls from the toxicity.
I actually see the similarities between Illit and certain tripleS units, maybe even IVE. I don't know, maybe it's the vibes, I don't see NewJeans. I also don't see why it matters, like it just proves kpop haters on why they don't like us. (Not that western fans are any better, just look at Swifties, but that's not the point). It's music and they are children, and barely adults...in an industry like that and their ages, it can ruin their mental state. All this talk about idols we've lost, yet do the same thing...I just hope these girls blow up even more. Their songs are so cute, and I recently got their album for their comeback, it's such cute packaging. It gives more y2k than NewJeans did...to me at least. Great video as always!
Vibe and concept cannot be copyrighted. Just another stup1d kpop fans 😂😂😂 Hanbok photo concept done first by Gfriend from Source Music. How can Min Hee Jin accused Illit copied the Hanbok photo concept? Shameless. The journalist accused Illit document presentation for the concept copied from NJ. How can the template of power point that used circles can be copyrighted? BTS used first that kind of template. Even the journalist photoshop the Illit's document to make it similar to NJ document and upload it in his X social media. Shameless. 😂😂😂
Let 2025 be good for illit and lesserafim as a fan i don't care about numbers or records, maybe in past i wanted them to set records but now i want them to enjoy what they do, be happy and have this cute fandom adorning them. those who stayed through this all i hope they get to go to concerts, events etc. At one point i thought no way things will ever get better , i was on the edge of giving up, but now i think maybe maybe things will improve happiness will come back to them. Good music has the power to overpower any kind of hatred. When one songs go viral again and gp shows appreciation maybe toxicity will take back sit. Till then hybe needs to provide therapy and support to these girls. Invest in them for years to come. Maybe its time youtubers will start taking stand for them, it took you guys 6-7 months to show some grace to them, still thank you since its better late then never.
Now idols being called plagiarizing just because they have the same hair length 😭 like girl, idol industry always follow the trend?? When mullet was popula, every boygroup at least have one member with mullet
Average K-Pop fan wouldn't even have been able to watch past 2 minutes of this video without getting triggered. Great summation of the context for ILLIT and great video overall.
Average kpop fans hate Hybe because Hybe suddenly became the number one. So they jump to hate train that run by Min Hee Jin. They did not need facts and like to support and make slandering.
@@bimotok757I can’t even remember how many times I’ve been called a hybe Stan just because I support illit and lesserafim. In reality most of my faves are from sm and yg
ILLIT hate train genuinely made me quit listening to other groups except for the 4 i stan(including ILLITQ),Unfollowing K-pop groups i dont stan, clicking not interest on koip posts and just avoiding the "fan" drama and view kpop as another music genre as it should've been in the first place
As a huge gllit who has been there from r u next, this whole situation is extremely tiring. Everyday I am reminded that ILLIT have a huge hate train looming over them of jealous and toxic fans. These girls, who are literally just trying to become the idols they’ve always wanted to be, are cyberbullied, basically daily. Even as time goes on, ILLIT will struggle immensely trying to become seperate from newjeans. Even IF newjeans disband or remove themselves from the industry. This is because the damage is already done. It saddens me, because they will never see the talented members differently from newjeans either. It is similar to Le sserafim, where they cannot escape from their huge vocal controversy. I think it’s truely disappointing, and disgusting of these fans who target ILLIT for no reason. It’s sickening they can be so hateful towards just a group of young celebrities. I can’t even imagine how hard it is for the members, who are targeted with hate daily :(
Well nj would have had a successful career if they didn't inserted themselves in this even now after all of the thing come out about her why nj or her parents is not opening there wyes atleast there parents should open there eyes
Oh of course, that greedy company run by corporate rats, and also that old hag who is so power hungry and loves to pit women against women, that mhj is really patriarchy in woman clothes
this whole situation made me subconsciously skip NJ songs because of horrible things I've seen toxic bunnies saying about illit and all the situations when girls themselves left a bitter taste in my mouth... and obviously whole hybe vs mhj. and i hate that for me bc I really liked NJ music
Sometimes i just wish new jeans would actualy leave and hybe would have the old new jeans Songs So i could Listen to them and mhj or new jeans wouldnt get sth 😅
And I can't listen to magnetic or whatever because I always get reminded of the terrible comments I've read from glits about newjeans, not even criticism but balant s***al insults.
@ of course the terrible hate sadly goes both ways and it's sad that the only way people think it's possible to fight back is to sand hateful comments.
this is why i’m excited for the follow up trial in march. i can’t wait for illit’s team to beat the plagiarism allegations. AND they sued first!! good for them!!
It's really saddening to see how Illit is getting pilled on by Kpop fans. In contrast to NewJeans they don't have a big and loyal fandom (yet) that will speak up for them. I feel like I'm constantly seeing messages in support of NewJeans or posts about how people should be easy on them since they're still so young (and I agree with that) but nobody seems to really care about the wellbeing of the Illit girs themselves.
honestly it's been super messy, but in the context of all the newjeans stuff i can actually enjoy illit more (as a nj fan and as someone who didnt watch the survival show). their (illit's) music has delusional main character energy in the best way (aka what being a young girl is like) and so having all the controversy actually works in their favour
There's a Happy Gilmore quote that describes how things turned out perfectly, "talk about your all-time backfires." What a reversal of fortunes. By the way, LE SSERAFIM have supported ILLIT and got no respect from the community for how they handled it. Eunchae also for how graceful and professional she was (at 18yo) about an (older) member of a new group "taking" her spot on Music Bank.
another taejiu banger. one thing i learned last year as a kpop stan was how to hit the block and not interested button and it was a game changer, now i choose what to interact with cause these spaces can make shit not cute in a flash. i wish the girls are doing the same but i doubt it. this whole ordeal really cemented to me that people do not see these girls (new jeans included) as people cause i cant fathom typing up and posting some of the shit these people have said about them. like where’s the empathy, all of them have sacrificed their youth to debut only to be met with rude comments. stream both cherish my love and supernatural tho 😝
the take that MHJ couldn’t manipulate the girls and the parents is so wrong when that’s literally what happened with fifty fifty. The producer gaslit the girls into believing the ceo was going to drop them all and go to jail while he was the one stealing one of the members copyright to Cupid and embezzling funds. People trust too easliy, especially 18 year olds, and I don’t think people have dealt with this level of manipulation on a personal level before.
immediate sub from me, i always appreciate someone giving the girls a chance ignoring the horrible damage their reputation took from something they weren't involved in. they girls are so sweet. super talented, and the group has amazing and fresh music! i genuinely get so happy seeing people like you for example who look past all the baseless allegations against them
I would just like to say newjeans wasn’t the first with this soft nostalgic vibe stayc has been in that niche for so long 😭😭 😭😭😭 and before weekly did that devastating switch up weekly was all up in that niche with after school 😭😭😭 like I the copying allegations will always swoop me like did we not remember the bops that were afterschool asap and STEREOTYPE 😭😭😭
7:18 THIS!!! Everyone chants about protecting Idols etc after they pass away from the harm the industry did but it only last 5 seconds other than when it's about their faves. Why is it so hard for people not to hate on others? If I don't like someone you will not see me talking about them, watching them etc. I would much rather watch and talk about those who I do like
Thank you for this intelligent and honest take. I am an ILLIT fan before knowing about the hate and when I saw the hate against them, it made me support them more. These are just 5 girls who want to become Idols who work hard and are talented. Had this been a group who debuted without the drama they would be so celebrated now but instead they always get hate and even lost endorsements. They did win Rookie of the Year awards and are not even celebrated for that.
Illit was originally conceptualized back in like 2021. why do people keep saying they were "copying NewJeans"? the Y2K inspired wave was clearly already happening before either group debuted. NewJeans also copied a lot of their concepts and MV inspiration from Japanese groups. it really isn't a useful argument. MHJ is a monster and she should never be around anyone's children ever again. After how she victimized members of SHINee and Red Velvet you'd think the industry would stop trying to give her a job lording over vulnerable teenagers while she abuses them and emotionally manipulates them. Disgusting and horrible. I hope Illit is successful no matter what. They don't deserve the unfair comparisons, the hate, none of it.
I still wonder to this day why the eff did BangPD hire MHJ into hybe even after seeing what she did to shinee, red velvet underage members. Infact as an industry insider shouldn't he have known more about MHJ's wrongdoings than us in the public knew about? I remember when i saw that hybe video introducing the hybe executives back in 2021 i saw so many fellow armys rang alarm bells after seeing MHJ on the board and complained so much on X about hiring her but no one listened to us and now we are here
What's really funny about all this to me is I wasn't a fan of any of these groups before all this drama. It took me awhile to fully come around to New Jeans, but I especially checked out Super Real Me because they were getting hit with a hate train. It blew my mind and hasn't moved off my playlist since. Now that I'm a fan of both of them, I can confirm. They sound nothing alike lol.
oh one last thing, NWJNs are the seniors, they should've told their fans to stop the hate on Illit, but that would go against mama MHJ so that's why it never happened. This lack of human decency is very sad to see...
Why would they do that when no artist calls out their fandoms when a certain artist suffers from a massive hate train ? I understand your point but not a single artist call out their fans
Have bts ever asked army to stop harassing other idols or normal people on the internet? Have blackpink or stray kids ever done so? Has Taylor swift ever done so? Even when their fandoms are much more rabid than bunnies? Why do yall expect so much from newjeans?
@@smoothies-hz9fx well, not sure if it's what you're looking for but, for example, Jungkook stood up for newjeans. on September 14, 2024 he made two Instagram posts on his dog account that were interpreted as solidarity with NewJeans: First post: "Artists are not guilty" with five heart emojis matching the NewJeans members' individual colors. Second post: "Don't use them", seemingly referring to protecting NewJeans from being caught in the dispute between HYBE and ADOR.
Using that logic should bts go and tell their fans to stop harassing black pink or new jeans or the other many artists they dragged yeah just stupid my friend
I adore their retro video game magical girl anime cute music and aesthetic. All the drama going on is so sad. Sure Illit can improve alot, but the hate is truly not deserved. Just like for all kpop groups. Lets just enjoy the music and content yall please.
Wait, why is having the best time skiing, while listening to girly pop music so relatable, like I vividly remember, when RUN2U came out and I was just jamming to the song over and over again and had such a blast while hitting the slopes!
i think belift has done a fine job at making illit their own thing, they just need to go harder with the creative direction. cherish is one of my fav kpop music videos of all time & sticking with that whimsical style would be good for them. interestingly enough, it’s that whimsical style fans say the group “stole” from newjeans that makes me go ?? & i think this is due to the success of ditto and the creative direction of get up. hopefully this makes sense.
I don't think i've seen a formation of a group this cursed since....ever, like idk what was in the waters that everyone and their mama was against them
I always found it weird how people say illit themselves are bad when in reality their rookie gg that got wrap in a coporate battle if anything I have so much sympathy and admiration for them it must be hard especially in Asia where reputation matters a lot I hope nothing for the best for them p.s honestly I feel like their envy towards them coming from toxic gg Stan’s that magnetic was a hit song also I think a lot people feeling towards new jeans derives from bunnies and how they were basically harassing illit and bullying them yet claim they care for mistreatment for new jeans but do nothing but bully and harasss another group and that personally rub me the wrong way people say fandom shouldn’t affect the way you stand a group and I use to agree but now that I’m older and seen how fandom have treated fans and especially poc and even their favs fandoms can affect people perception for a group sorry for my rant
oh my god i really hate that argument that Illit was copying NJ???? sheesh NJ is hip hop and Illit is not. Even just the core of their songs should tell them they are different
I will just never understand how people can say ILLIT's concept is similar/copy of NewJeans because they're not similar at all, ILLIT's concept is CUTE whereas NewJeans is more" next door girl" kind of concept I really do not see how they are similar
This is annoying. Ppl saying that illit was made to replace njs without any evidence aside from fan speculation. And it’s the fact that illit only followed a trend like everyone else in the industry. Their concepts aren’t even alike
Being a tokki and a glitt this year was so bad, seeing tokkis say nasty things about illit then I call them out and they say it's cause I'm not a bunny and when glitts get angry at tokkis and say out of pocket shit about newjeans, they say I am a toxic bunny, I can't win
Dude, internet nathan’s video is actually tragic. It’s an opinion piece with no facts, just clips or reporters and CLEARLY pandering to bunnies. Saying hanni was brave for calling out hybe malpractice at the press conference and not saying what exactly she said. Passing off all MIN HEEJIN hate as unforgivable misogyny? It was legitimately so distressing to watch the video and see all of the enabled bunnies in the comments i had to quit mid watch. I’m not against youtubers picking up sponsorships but the fact that that video in particular included an ad was extremely distressing. That entire video felt uninformed and like a cash grab honestly.
Idk where they got NewJeans from, illit gives off more stayc + loona/triples sound and look to me (not saying their copying them just reminds me of them) anyhow stan illit
I like illit and their music. Why do I always like groups then go online and find out so many people hate on them: I even like the new song with Ava max. Then people online complained lol
I’m sorry I have never listened to a single Illit track and thought of NewJeans, their music sounds completely different. Now, maybe Hybe was trying to replace NewJeans but the vibe of their music and style is also different. I really don’t understand the comparisons musically. But this was a great video btw. Very well put!
Thank you for this. I will not ever forget being in a TikTok comment section and defending both illit and NJ from MHJ Stan’s and getting called a hybe Stan and being told (as an adult with a job that involves working with students) that I shouldn’t work work with or be around people because I have a “toxic” mindset.
I'll admit, I was a die hard bunny, and I legit remember listening to Magnetic and thinking "This sounds alot like Newjeans". I had also watched RUNext, and I was a little disappointed, since the NJ album was released very close together. Then I heard Tick Tack, and I went back and listened to the entire EPs, and I'm probably a bigger fan of Illit (not saying that Fandom name 💀) now, especially with the tiredness of the entire NJs and MHJ drama They have a really cool dream core concept, and I really enjoy that half, and the glitch, nearly hyperpop elements makes my producer brain itch.
THANK YOU for pointing out the mhj stuff. So many bunnies and knetz treat her like a saint but she has caused so much unnecessary drama for all the groups involved.
I'm always just absolutely baffled when people compare illit's music to newjeans or even their concept bcs wth are you even talking about? maybe and just MAYBE if newjeans had stayed within the same concept and music style of attention, would illit and newjeans be in any way comparable but they haven't. newjeans sounds nothing and looks nothing like illit, you're crazy if you're telling me that a song about teeth sounds and looks anything like a song about being an alien, you sound insane.
Exactly Taejiu. The amount of hate I’ve seen ILLIT get from bunnies has been insane. Ever since MHJ named them, the group’s been given such a hard time. Not to mention, MHJ thinks she invented all of this stuff with NewJeans, and bunnies actually believe her…. It’s crazy. It’s just crazy how much mess has been created by this whole situation because of such a manipulative woman. It’s a shame to see people hating other K-pop groups because of stuff like this. I don’t hate any of these groups, not even NewJeans, I just feel bad for them. It’s just sad. I appreciate the shoutout brother, and thanks again for being a voice of common sense and reason in K-tube.
I would actually love to see you do a video unpacking Min Heejin's actions and her effects on NewJeans, HYBE and the industry as a whole. I don't like to label anyone as wholly evil but to me she is pretty fuckin close.
... It's music. And the companies that produce them are businesses, run by businesspeople, who want to make money. If it didn't make money, it wouldn't be a successful business. I wish people read more books and just enjoyed music.
This video is so right, the drama is exhausting. The message that some bunnies spread online that "Illit took Newjeans' place" originally put me in this position where I felt like I had to "stick it to the copycats" and not listen to Illit's music while silently resenting them. It was because NewJeans was the reason I got into k-pop, and I love their music to an unhealthy degree. Suddenly having NewJeans be caught up in legal trouble and having the anti-Illit, pro Min Hee-Jin rhetoric pushed upon me made me mad. But now I've realised, I can listen to both of those groups and not have this petty drama get in the way of who I listen to. Newjeans and Illit are cool, I would've loved to see a collab, stop being haters! (Please don't take this to heart, I don't know much about k-pop as a whole)
It’s rumored that wonhee and moka were bunnies too (it’s not implausible to believe they were all fans of new jeans). I mean, being a trainee, you look up to these idols and want to be like them. Could you imagine being a massive fan of a group and then that group and their “mother” began hating on you and sprouting one of the worst hate trains for a rookie group…I would be so upset. You dream about meeting your idols but then you are pitted against them. :( I love Illit so much and sadly, I used to love NJs a lot too. They are both the only groups were I own all their albums and every version…but this dream has tainted one side so much and will leave unrepairable scars to another.
newjeans were like little kids when bts were formed, min heejin left sm entertainment in 2018 and didn’t even plan newjeans yet. newjeans probably wouldn’t have even been a thing if hybe didn’t leave her in charge of ador. min heejin needs a reality check.
I think ILLIT is very cute, the members seem sweet and their concept is fun and enjoyable to listen to. I just wish it was more than that. Their management seems very set on this cutesy schoolgirl concept, which is fine, but personally it feels trendy and not like BeLIFT is is innovating anything. I really see so much potential in these girls and I want BeLIFT to put some effort into them to make sure theyre the great idols I know they can be. Also, some new concepts would be great. I think a very natural evolution of their concept could be to a teencrush concept like ITZY did at debut, or a more early-Twice concept.
Honestly, this is why I've stopped even trying to follow what's happening on the economic side of kpop. It's just so depressing to have to constantly adopt this mentality that art is a profitable commodity rather than something to be enjoyed just by virtue of its creative value. We spend so much time shaming the artists for needing to make money and for their company's actions that we bypass actually becoming more ethical consumers and go straight to being haters. It's such a waste of time, and if you're not gonna spend your life worrying about what music benefits what huge greedy company, then just shut up and enjoy the music. Late stage capitalism is ruining everything istg.
I really hope both ILLIT and newjeans members are okay. I can't imagine how stressful it's been for either group. I wouldn't be shocked if they're traumatized after everything. I've always thought the hate either group is unnecessary. I dont think either groups sound or concept is THAT similar. I can easily tell both groups apart. And even if they were similar it's not like no groups are ever similar lol especially nowadays. Most girl groups do girl crush especially since blackpinks success for instance. So it's not a huge deal imo
Finally a ktuber who understands the difference of jersey club and plug like they aren't the same type of music. Illit literally makes songs a entirely different sub genre then newjeans😢
i think maybe mhj wants nj have same perks as bts in hybe, but knowing that +10 years of exp in ent industry vs +1 year, hybe exec don’t want give that, so they tried to threaten first but hybe do not listen hence the fiasco.
Thanks man for saying the truth. I only listen to k pop cuz of Illit and I think all the hate is silly. I just want the girls to be successful, cuz they got what it takes. Also I hope they make better music. I felt like hybe made poor musical choices in their first comeback
Now I get sound similarites between the groups. Both groups have sounds that can compliment each other. If you put some of illit songs and some of Newjeans songs in an album that would work because they do sound good together. However copying concepts is something I will never get. Now the REAL ME world (where lucky girl syndrome takes place in their lore) can work similar to songs like attention visuals but that’s not even full concept so that is what we call searching for a problem.
I'm so glad that you understand MHJ isn't actually protecting newjeans and that the whole illit copying thing was just a distraction. You earned a sub! (tho i've been watching you for a while)
Hey dude good video im an army i got in to this when those mhj kskao was leaked nj fans have attacked illit basis on two things :- 1) mhj and her accusations 2) hybe market research documents where this fan claim its written by hybe and the planned to replace nj with illit
As a fan of both, Illit never felt the same as NJ - they both clearly have their own sound and concepts...maybe some count 5 members and don't think beyond that? It's reminding me of the people who said aespa are just a BP copy lol this type of drama isn't new but it's sad to see it keep happening to so many groups
Honestly, when MHJ v HYBE started happening I decided to distance myself from caring too much about the kpop industry. Only recently I caught up again on them because I jumped back in watching Kdramas while also actively avoiding NJ content. I started listening to ILLIT again because their new song is quite good, and other groups as well. It is possible to be aware of the stuff happening while keeping your opinions to yourself. I also never felt this much disdain toward another person, but now there is MHJ.
I think that I agree with the narrative of "ILLIT's dilemma is the K-pop comminity" because the way that kind of hatred spead like wildfire in Hybe groups while protecting NJ, YeoChin and fromis from those kinds of hatred when they were technically Hybe artists in their history sounds pretty insane, and that's what I call insane online fan treatment at the highest level.... (Maybe I could use some parts of the video on a anti Hybe hate video on my other channel....)
Also I feel like I shouldn't have to say this but will, this is not hate aimed towards NewJeans. I love their music and wish nothing but the best for the members moving forward, it's really unfortunate that petty industry shit has gotten in the way of such a promising career.
I genuinely hope the best for both groups but honestly I find myself having difficulty to genuinely support NJs knowing MHJ still have so much grip/influence/control on those girls. I truly wish for MHJ to be away like separated from the girls but in reality, it seems there are still many supporting MHJ, even the NJs parents and of course the members of NJs themselves still wants to work with her. So yeah I’m probably wishing for a miracle. The legal battle has only begun and I don’t really know what the future holds for NJs. Oh if you really plan on making a video talking about MHJ I fully support and will watch cause I also have a lot of things I want to discuss and I don’t think there’s any better place than your channel tbh. And thanks for this video
@@moonies321what has she done besides rumors. Like they know her irl while we see her through media i feel i trust nj judgement more since idk they know her
@@gorge6885 this is my perspective. I just do not agree with the things she had said and share through her interviews, her press conference and the pictures she had shared on her instagram
@@gorge6885I suggest you search her interviews and press conferences, and the controversies around her yourself and form your own opinion on her. For me, I just don’t agree with some of the things she had said and done
@@moonies321 that was rhetorical my opinion i dont like or dislike her i appaude her on the fact that she is a successful women but the hate this girl gets vs legit pedos in the industry is WILD
Sometimes I mourn the loss/lack of a relationship (at least the public one) between Illit and Newjeans. The girls probably trained together, possibly could be friends, and I think their concepts compliment each other, almost like they approach nostalgia through different perspectives. It’s a shame the complications of an adult entertainment industry has caused all this mess. I wish Illit the best and I think they’ll do great in the future :)
Edit: As far as I’m aware, trainees sometimes are shifted around between labels, that’s why I said they probably trained together, as in before their debut teams were formed/finalized. No guarantees though :) Overall, the entire situation is a mess and I wish all 10 of them the best
Blame the NJ girls for following the steps of their beloved mama
They are not trained together. NJ trained at Source Music as N team. Illit from survival show than trained by Be Lift Labs. Their concept is different and concept cannot be copyrighted.
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
@@bimotok757 fr I remember the times when girl crush concept was repeated mostly by every girl group when 2ne1 popularised the concept, blackpink continued and it was all over the K-pop community, it was all fun and games untill these young K-pop fans emerged. Illit didn’t deserve all these hate and negativity, the K-pop fandom is filled with kids and young teens who have no real critical thinking skills following every narrative they found on the media, especially since the bts and bp wave. I know sasengs existed way before and they are super annoying the but it’s like the majority of every fandoms are like that nowadays
"All day he played the most girlypop shit and that's exactly what I want to hear when shredding the slopes" is so real, long live girlypop music
You can be a grown ass man and a lucky girl girl girl girl too
This made me laughed out loud 🤣🤣
Jokes aside, Lucky Girl Syndrome is seriously a great song 🍀
YES
not to mention, ILLIT WAS NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE. There was Youngseo, and everyone forgot about her. (I still miss her sm 😭)
That's how you know people didn't bother to do their research before listening to MHJ's c0ke rant 😭
this. people also would call me a company stan when i just see the obvious bullshit and gaslighting min heejin spits out - and sorry not sorry, i'm going to call that out. i don't need to be a fan of either of those groups to notice the media play that was going on with her.
and you are even more right with the kpop community. as weird as it sounds i'm in this space for almost 7 years and i never thought it could get worse, but with the rise of people just not fact-checking sources (!) and pulling stuff up their ass (in all media tbh) it's almost unmanageable.
Having common sense = company stan, because I don't like the truth
YES i wanna yell about the not fact-checking sources phenomenon, it's INSANE. i've had people call me all sort of names bc i asked them politely for the source of their claim so i could check it out too and inform myself. they take it as personal attack.
2:44 and the thing is, they were 6!! they were 6 at first and i've literally seen people say they even copied the number of girls like are u genuinely serious, i miss youngseo so dearly
I miss her too, she was my favorite in r u next ; but maybe she dodged a bullet and is happier than if she debuted in these conditions 😢
@@Aysisse honestly, yeah. Even though everyday i wish youngseo was still in the group with the rest of our girls, she did save herself a lot of emotional damage and distress that the rest of the illies are enduring right now :( She definitely wouldve fit into illits current concept nicely, its really such a shame and i do hope shes doing good currently
@@thinkmoewswe dont know why she left tho maybe see just has another form of sadnes
We just dont know wish her the best tho
Not only has this woman damaged a rookie group brand, she has also damaged the portfolio of the artists that worked on illit’s debut, plagiarism accusations are the worst thing that could happen to you when you work in an art field, and the fact that mhj (am supposed artist) let that happen is just cruel. She makes a total mockery to arts and give artists a bad name, she does live up to her "creative genius" status and her impressionable fans keep on feeding her narcissistic behaviour
"impressionable fans" you mean the entire industry? including living legends like takashi murikami, all of these people at the top of the industry can see it but you can't for some reason... what does that say?
@@tienphotographerwell mhj has really manipulative when her dirty laundry is being aired she you are not highlighting that ok what he said about this fued i couldnt find anything i agree hybe us no innocent but mhj oh boy oh have you heard about davolink owner interview
you forgot the fact that they(belift) asking 7years plan for NJ, you can't deny it. It's a fact.
@@tienphotographerso if people at “the top of the industry” love MHJ, we also have to follow them like sheep instead of actually using our brain and forming our own opinion. You summed up the bunny mentality.
@@tienphotographer The entire industry where ? You’re telling me that you formed your opinion based on a public figure you like ? Do you not have a brain on your own ? Can you not think critically alone ? I also don’t recall Takashi ever supporting nj in their little resistance. He worked with them and that’s where it ends
this video is so refreshing and i 100% agree. i personally have also seen so much hate towards illit and its crazy what some people will say behind their screens. how many times do kpop fans need to go through horrible tragedies for us to finally realize it needs to stop? it baffles me, the hypocrisy that kpop stans have.
Min Hee Jin's fans made slandering and then kpop fans who hate Hybe jump to the hate train.
I feel so bad for ILLIT. People love to fake cry about how artists are treated badly and how important mental health is, just to turn around and bully a group who did nothing wrong. I wasn't a fan of the group's formation, but they have good music and they haven't even had a chance to enjoy their accomplishments.
I used to dislike them because of how salty I was after seeing the results on RUNext then I gave the group a try and became hooked. I was also deeply sympathetic towards them after watching the behind-the-scenes recordings of their songs and because of the major backlash they've gotten from the public thanks to MHJ
As a huge fan of BOTH groups, what you said from 6:00 to 6:22 is exactly how I feel when people say Illit copied Newjeans. For me, they almost couldn't be more different 😭
FR they both have this broad concept of the teen experience. But Newjeans feel more like reflecting on your youth with rose coloured glasses, whereas Illit feel more like a teen daydreaming about their lives and growing up. Not the same, complimentary sure but almost opposite in perspective.
And recently the antis on X saying Yunah is "too old" to be celebrating her birthday... like just hate for no good reason
HUH?? Celebrating a birthday at 21 is “too old” to them??? They make up something new everyday…
pure insanity
They're running out of reasons to hate
@@strudelh honestly insane you can celebrate your birthday at any age even 40 its literally your day its not that deep
When everyone was (still is) throwing the words ‘plagiarism’, ‘copycat’ whenever ILLIT is brought up, I genuinely feel confused. Because I never really see ILLIT to be that similar to NJs, sure like the video mentioned, both groups are 5 young girls with softer concept and sound, but for me, ILLIT concept feels like there are more fantasy elements, they remind me of cute anime concept for girls and their songs such as Magnetic, Tick Tack has a ‘video game’ feel to it. While NJs for me, is heavily leaning towards nostalgia especially the late 90s, 2000s, very y2k concept overall. And this is coming from someone who is a casual listener, not a fan of either group. Of course, this is just my personal perspective.
And illit where supost to be 6
Man it hurst all the time
I will never understand the "ILLIT is a ripoff of newjeans" idiocy. They really sound and look like their own separate groups with only a few crossover similarities.
EDIT: also newjeans feels more western and illit feels more eastern imo
Newjeans feel more like reflecting on your youth with rose coloured glasses, whereas Illit feel more like a teen daydreaming about their lives and growing up. Not the same, complimentary sure but almost opposite in perspective. Definitely understand that they were supposed to be sort of sister groups but not knock off's.
NJ also feels similar to groups like f(x), Baby VOX, S.E.S. , finKL, and KARA imo
THEY ARE a newJeans rip off and if you still can't see that you are delusional. But that's not their fault and that's the point. The company's strategy behind the group's direction was awful.
@Rabelious9 They aren't a rip off. Argue with the wall
@@cranburrey not sure if you're stupid or delusional
I feel incredible sadness when I look at the illit members....like I just see kids trying to pursue their dream and the whole world is basically against them...also I have this intense hatred for mhj that I didn't even know I was capable of feeling.....that woman single handedly ruined 2 groups with the help of highly intelligent kpop fans of course...
I remember iroha crying because the staff was nice to her its really sad all the hate they get
i think its odd that fans keep saying illit copied newjeans (they sound NOTHING alike) but always ignore newjeans literally copied similar logo & styling (& possibly name) from latin group jeans & was already found to be true as jeans gave praise & felt flattered. interesting…
It’s funny cus they use the “well jeans don’t mind” excuse but one of the members spoke out against it and got bullied by toxic bunnies into agreeing with the second member who spoke out saying they don’t mind… 💀
@@altnamealt I wouldn’t be shocked if the poor girls got scared of getting hate from that insane fandom and decided it would be better if they didn’t mind
THIS!
Lmao this 😭 MHJ crying Illit copy her but girlll you copy someone else too????
I started to get into ILLIT music after cherish my love. That song is beautiful and kind of has tragic undertones. Just love it.
Min Hee Jin has always been someone who you do NOT want managing a bunch of teenagers. From her dubious past with SM ent. to how she's already put NWJNS at risk... I've always been put off by her, especially now that she's manipulated NWJNS and their parents, using NWJNS as a shield and targeting hate towards ILLIT. It's not right, and it's definitely not what Kpop is supposed to be about but oh well
Illit were not created to replace Newjeans. The concepts have a similar vibe, but I always found the two to be more or less complimentary. Newjeans explore the nostalgia of being a teen and first love, whereas Illit explore the dreaming and hoping for the future that you have as a teen yourself. They are both reflecting the experience of youth but from nearly opposite perspective. The creation of Illit was to pull in a lot of Newjeans fan's and casual listener, that's undeniable, but they are not the same. This was working, really well at the launch of the group, and had MHJ not flipped her lid the two would have made GREAT sister groups. MHJ didn't want to have her group even share the spotlight for a second, even if it would help both in the long run, she hates the idea that anyone could work WITH her and not FOR her, because she is a narcissist, she see's what should have been teamwork as a threat, and insult on herself and her creative prowess. She was trying to steal a company and illit where then negatively framed because of this, to the public, but also likely in her own head. Illit became the deflection and it really goes to show the dangers of a multi-label company like Hybe, when single label companies try and do something like this cooperation is excepted and comes easily as staff can float between team to work to the highest potential, but when everyone is employed by different people and can only work on one group at any given time, the "there coming for your job" boogey man becomes a lot easier to peddle and even organically think yourself.
THISSSS
I wish if it wasn’t for MHJ crazy self maybe hybe could finally try out subunits.
Sorry but this reads a lot like "she should have sat there and let her work be used to create another group because it's going to make more money to the corporation in the long run". I'm so sorry but she has all the right to complain over the use of her ideas in the creation of another group she wasn't involved in. That's the art she and the rest of the creatives behind newjeans worked hard to create. It's completely normal for groups to be inspired by other groups but to have access to the original documents behind their creations isn't. They have the og creator of newjeans there they should have worked with her but she's in her rights to reject them if she didn't want to too. Belift should have tried to be creative and original instead of using newjeans elements in order to make illit. That's their error.
I also don't get why it's so bad that mhj tried to "steal" newjeans? Like I understand why would you be mad if you were part of hybe but as a person completely unrelated to hybe I don't gaf if they are in hybe or not, as long as they give me good music. I'm not a company stan lol
K-pop stans don't respect the artists and creative behind their favorite groups and it shows in the lack of empathy to mhj in regards to her fight against hybe
It's actually crazy, imagine being called a narcissist simply because you don't want your original work used to make other people money, like that's a slap in the face to a lot of artists. Imagine saying that to Petra collins after her entire aesthetic was used to create euphoria and she didn't get a single dime
@@-_._-._.- it’s bad to steal Newjeans and steal ador because she don’t own it. All she was hired to do is be the ceo and help with creative directing. She stepped out of line because power and money got to her head.
Also taking documents isn’t unhinged. Getting info about groups like the plans behind making the group is common just not talked about often. I’m not shocked belift got the plans because hybe owns everything include MHJ work so if belift wanted to see it and hybe allows it, they can
@-_._-._.- 1. It's not original. That's one problem alone. She is mad about something that isn't original
2. Being a creative person myself and cares about the protection of art, min heejin is an exception because WHAT she is complaining about. Complaining about copying of choreo when it's the most basic moves isn't protecting your art. This is like it I complained that someone used the same blue as me in a painting.
To bring up Petra is nasty. Her entire visual style was RIPPED from her.
Min heejin who stuff isn't even original, is claiming copying not because she cares about her art but because she wants to media play. She did was sam did to Petra when she still from jeans and that one Japanese girl group.
We generally agree here but how on earth is it obvious that hybe was trying to replace new jeans??? The one expert from the leak was such a stretch and their concepts are so different, although there is some inspiration. Seriously what is obvious about this? Is enhyphen a replacement for txt? Not really... to me nothing is true about this assertion.. unless there is evidence I'm not aware of.
Hybe works on formula, when a group starts slightly declining they create a new group with adjacent concept to old one, to appeal to existing fans and then differentiate their identity more with time to grow the newer fan base. It has made sure their new groups have fans off the bat. Also it's never blatant copying it's a strategy. Replace isn't the right word, it's more that they were trying to overlap the fans or rather audiences for the groups by making their appeal a bit similar
The leak of Hybe documents is about customer behavior research that collect the comments from social media. Then someone edited only took bad comments and sent to stup1d politician. PR company and marketing company always did same kind of research. Kpop fans too stup1d to understand what a research is. Hybe audited Ador after 2 imvestors reported Min Hee Jin to Hybe for alleged breach of contract. Because one of the investor also have Hybe's stocks. Then in the first injuction court, it proved that Min Hee Jin have a plan to attack Hybe before Ador existed. But the judge said Hybe is not Ador, although Hybe have damage but Ador still generated profit. In MHJ contract, Hybe can fire MHJ if she damaged Ador. Then Hybe replaced all Ador directors except MHJ. According SK's law, board director can fire the CEO. So, Ador's board director fire MHJ as CEO. It was not Hybe that fired MHJ. Ador is not Hybe according the judge. In the second injunction court, MHJ lost.
You must follow the evidence, not the opinion or slandering. Understand the facts you failed, how can you make a conclucion? 😂😂😂
@@thissitescertifiedhousecat8107 Idk that I agree? Could you name groups as examples? Bcs I fail to see who you’re talking about. Except for new jeans and illit i’ve never even seen anyone say that any hybe group was similar to the other. Like Bts, seventeen, txt, enhypen, Lesserafim, boynextdoor and tws all have concepts that are very different from the other to me.
@thissitescertifiedhousecat8107 can u mention 1 group from Hybe that failed or is failing....that hybe used this so called "formula" u talk about
Lowkey the mhj drama will haunt illit way worse than it will to newjeans. This is in no way hate towards the girls but they haven’t even gotten the chance to build a stable fanbase before this all happened as opposed to newjeans :((
SO REAL FOR LUCKY GIRL SYNDROME. That song is sotc for me 🫶
same!!!
I don't understand how anyone can be PRO-HYBE or PRO-MINHEEJIN.
Like I hate both sides!!!
A lot of groups came up with the nostalgic soft pop sound after NewJeans were successful, a practice as old as time in K-pop as you pointed out with Blackpink and I can name at least more 10 groups that had a similar effect in the industry. The problem Min Hee Jin had with Illit was that, different than the other groups, Illit was being very successful in doing so (a debut viral song that did well both domestically and internationally) and, from her messages that were exposed, she's obsessed with the "fastest group to achieve x" label and felt threatened by them. After getting caught and asked to step down as CEO, it's pretty obvious she saw and opportunity to both deflect from her crimes and destroy those girls and all she had to do was use a bunch of young girls as her shield and trust that brainless toxic k-pop stans would do the rest for her - unfortunately, she wasn't disappointed. I just can't wait for this whole mess to be over so that the people at fault can get punished and everyone else can move on to better things.
Oh mary this is what I needed. Call out the toxic fans. I feelbad for NewJeans, I feel bad for ILLIT, and I feel bad for the normal fans who have to be in the TRENCHES defending these girls from the toxicity.
I actually see the similarities between Illit and certain tripleS units, maybe even IVE. I don't know, maybe it's the vibes, I don't see NewJeans. I also don't see why it matters, like it just proves kpop haters on why they don't like us. (Not that western fans are any better, just look at Swifties, but that's not the point). It's music and they are children, and barely adults...in an industry like that and their ages, it can ruin their mental state. All this talk about idols we've lost, yet do the same thing...I just hope these girls blow up even more. Their songs are so cute, and I recently got their album for their comeback, it's such cute packaging. It gives more y2k than NewJeans did...to me at least. Great video as always!
Vibe and concept cannot be copyrighted. Just another stup1d kpop fans 😂😂😂 Hanbok photo concept done first by Gfriend from Source Music. How can Min Hee Jin accused Illit copied the Hanbok photo concept? Shameless. The journalist accused Illit document presentation for the concept copied from NJ. How can the template of power point that used circles can be copyrighted? BTS used first that kind of template. Even the journalist photoshop the Illit's document to make it similar to NJ document and upload it in his X social media. Shameless. 😂😂😂
Let 2025 be good for illit and lesserafim as a fan i don't care about numbers or records, maybe in past i wanted them to set records but now i want them to enjoy what they do, be happy and have this cute fandom adorning them. those who stayed through this all i hope they get to go to concerts, events etc.
At one point i thought no way things will ever get better , i was on the edge of giving up, but now i think maybe maybe things will improve happiness will come back to them. Good music has the power to overpower any kind of hatred. When one songs go viral again and gp shows appreciation maybe toxicity will take back sit. Till then hybe needs to provide therapy and support to these girls. Invest in them for years to come.
Maybe its time youtubers will start taking stand for them, it took you guys 6-7 months to show some grace to them, still thank you since its better late then never.
It's all MHJ fault. She pioneered ALL of the hate trains.
100% and she needs to pay for it
@LoafII87 fr I will never forgive her for the chaos and suffering she has caused. She ruined K-pop for me...
Now idols being called plagiarizing just because they have the same hair length 😭 like girl, idol industry always follow the trend?? When mullet was popula, every boygroup at least have one member with mullet
how did she start the lesserafim cochella hate train or the illit encore hate train
@@eni6580 she started the ill hate train and people continued it over anything they did
Average K-Pop fan wouldn't even have been able to watch past 2 minutes of this video without getting triggered. Great summation of the context for ILLIT and great video overall.
Average kpop fans hate Hybe because Hybe suddenly became the number one. So they jump to hate train that run by Min Hee Jin. They did not need facts and like to support and make slandering.
@@bimotok757I can’t even remember how many times I’ve been called a hybe Stan just because I support illit and lesserafim. In reality most of my faves are from sm and yg
ILLIT hate train genuinely made me quit listening to other groups except for the 4 i stan(including ILLITQ),Unfollowing K-pop groups i dont stan, clicking not interest on koip posts and just avoiding the "fan" drama and view kpop as another music genre as it should've been in the first place
If you don't mind me asking, what are the other 3 groups that you still listen/stan to?
As a huge gllit who has been there from r u next, this whole situation is extremely tiring. Everyday I am reminded that ILLIT have a huge hate train looming over them of jealous and toxic fans. These girls, who are literally just trying to become the idols they’ve always wanted to be, are cyberbullied, basically daily. Even as time goes on, ILLIT will struggle immensely trying to become seperate from newjeans. Even IF newjeans disband or remove themselves from the industry. This is because the damage is already done. It saddens me, because they will never see the talented members differently from newjeans either. It is similar to Le sserafim, where they cannot escape from their huge vocal controversy. I think it’s truely disappointing, and disgusting of these fans who target ILLIT for no reason. It’s sickening they can be so hateful towards just a group of young celebrities. I can’t even imagine how hard it is for the members, who are targeted with hate daily :(
6:55 Oh this monumental read…
Was a monumental take on one breath
Thank you for making this video. Instead of hating illit or nj, hate hybe and mhj.
Well nj would have had a successful career if they didn't inserted themselves in this even now after all of the thing come out about her why nj or her parents is not opening there wyes atleast there parents should open there eyes
Oh of course, that greedy company run by corporate rats, and also that old hag who is so power hungry and loves to pit women against women, that mhj is really patriarchy in woman clothes
this whole situation made me subconsciously skip NJ songs because of horrible things I've seen toxic bunnies saying about illit and all the situations when girls themselves left a bitter taste in my mouth... and obviously whole hybe vs mhj. and i hate that for me bc I really liked NJ music
Sometimes i just wish new jeans would actualy leave and hybe would have the old new jeans Songs
So i could Listen to them and mhj or new jeans wouldnt get sth 😅
And I can't listen to magnetic or whatever because I always get reminded of the terrible comments I've read from glits about newjeans, not even criticism but balant s***al insults.
same. i can't look at new jeans the same way i used to and i hate it
@ of course the terrible hate sadly goes both ways and it's sad that the only way people think it's possible to fight back is to sand hateful comments.
I’ve seen NJ’s getting bullied by all HYBE groups so yall need to bffr
thank you for speaking out.
this is why i’m excited for the follow up trial in march. i can’t wait for illit’s team to beat the plagiarism allegations. AND they sued first!! good for them!!
It's really saddening to see how Illit is getting pilled on by Kpop fans. In contrast to NewJeans they don't have a big and loyal fandom (yet) that will speak up for them. I feel like I'm constantly seeing messages in support of NewJeans or posts about how people should be easy on them since they're still so young (and I agree with that) but nobody seems to really care about the wellbeing of the Illit girs themselves.
honestly it's been super messy, but in the context of all the newjeans stuff i can actually enjoy illit more (as a nj fan and as someone who didnt watch the survival show).
their (illit's) music has delusional main character energy in the best way (aka what being a young girl is like) and so having all the controversy actually works in their favour
im liking on 3 different accounts and waiting for that dance cover
Currently 99,900 likes away
I wheezed at the idea of grown man Taejiu singing lucky girl at home, skipping through the hallways, singing to a hairbrush 🤣
There's a Happy Gilmore quote that describes how things turned out perfectly, "talk about your all-time backfires." What a reversal of fortunes. By the way, LE SSERAFIM have supported ILLIT and got no respect from the community for how they handled it. Eunchae also for how graceful and professional she was (at 18yo) about an (older) member of a new group "taking" her spot on Music Bank.
another taejiu banger. one thing i learned last year as a kpop stan was how to hit the block and not interested button and it was a game changer, now i choose what to interact with cause these spaces can make shit not cute in a flash. i wish the girls are doing the same but i doubt it.
this whole ordeal really cemented to me that people do not see these girls (new jeans included) as people cause i cant fathom typing up and posting some of the shit these people have said about them. like where’s the empathy, all of them have sacrificed their youth to debut only to be met with rude comments.
stream both cherish my love and supernatural tho 😝
the take that MHJ couldn’t manipulate the girls and the parents is so wrong when that’s literally what happened with fifty fifty. The producer gaslit the girls into believing the ceo was going to drop them all and go to jail while he was the one stealing one of the members copyright to Cupid and embezzling funds. People trust too easliy, especially 18 year olds, and I don’t think people have dealt with this level of manipulation on a personal level before.
immediate sub from me, i always appreciate someone giving the girls a chance ignoring the horrible damage their reputation took from something they weren't involved in. they girls are so sweet. super talented, and the group has amazing and fresh music! i genuinely get so happy seeing people like you for example who look past all the baseless allegations against them
I would just like to say newjeans wasn’t the first with this soft nostalgic vibe stayc has been in that niche for so long 😭😭 😭😭😭 and before weekly did that devastating switch up weekly was all up in that niche with after school 😭😭😭 like I the copying allegations will always swoop me like did we not remember the bops that were afterschool asap and STEREOTYPE 😭😭😭
7:18 THIS!!! Everyone chants about protecting Idols etc after they pass away from the harm the industry did but it only last 5 seconds other than when it's about their faves. Why is it so hard for people not to hate on others? If I don't like someone you will not see me talking about them, watching them etc. I would much rather watch and talk about those who I do like
Thank you for this intelligent and honest take. I am an ILLIT fan before knowing about the hate and when I saw the hate against them, it made me support them more. These are just 5 girls who want to become Idols who work hard and are talented. Had this been a group who debuted without the drama they would be so celebrated now but instead they always get hate and even lost endorsements. They did win Rookie of the Year awards and are not even celebrated for that.
Illit was originally conceptualized back in like 2021. why do people keep saying they were "copying NewJeans"? the Y2K inspired wave was clearly already happening before either group debuted. NewJeans also copied a lot of their concepts and MV inspiration from Japanese groups. it really isn't a useful argument.
MHJ is a monster and she should never be around anyone's children ever again. After how she victimized members of SHINee and Red Velvet you'd think the industry would stop trying to give her a job lording over vulnerable teenagers while she abuses them and emotionally manipulates them. Disgusting and horrible.
I hope Illit is successful no matter what. They don't deserve the unfair comparisons, the hate, none of it.
I still wonder to this day why the eff did BangPD hire MHJ into hybe even after seeing what she did to shinee, red velvet underage members. Infact as an industry insider shouldn't he have known more about MHJ's wrongdoings than us in the public knew about? I remember when i saw that hybe video introducing the hybe executives back in 2021 i saw so many fellow armys rang alarm bells after seeing MHJ on the board and complained so much on X about hiring her but no one listened to us and now we are here
What's really funny about all this to me is I wasn't a fan of any of these groups before all this drama. It took me awhile to fully come around to New Jeans, but I especially checked out Super Real Me because they were getting hit with a hate train. It blew my mind and hasn't moved off my playlist since. Now that I'm a fan of both of them, I can confirm. They sound nothing alike lol.
oh one last thing, NWJNs are the seniors, they should've told their fans to stop the hate on Illit, but that would go against mama MHJ so that's why it never happened. This lack of human decency is very sad to see...
Why would they do that when no artist calls out their fandoms when a certain artist suffers from a massive hate train ? I understand your point but not a single artist call out their fans
Have bts ever asked army to stop harassing other idols or normal people on the internet? Have blackpink or stray kids ever done so? Has Taylor swift ever done so? Even when their fandoms are much more rabid than bunnies? Why do yall expect so much from newjeans?
@@smoothies-hz9fx BangChan did once when people thought a song he wrote was about Woojin
@@smoothies-hz9fx well, not sure if it's what you're looking for but, for example, Jungkook stood up for newjeans.
on September 14, 2024 he made two Instagram posts on his dog account that were interpreted as solidarity with NewJeans:
First post: "Artists are not guilty" with five heart emojis matching the NewJeans members' individual colors.
Second post: "Don't use them", seemingly referring to protecting NewJeans from being caught in the dispute between HYBE and ADOR.
Using that logic should bts go and tell their fans to stop harassing black pink or new jeans or the other many artists they dragged yeah just stupid my friend
I adore their retro video game magical girl anime cute music and aesthetic. All the drama going on is so sad. Sure Illit can improve alot, but the hate is truly not deserved. Just like for all kpop groups. Lets just enjoy the music and content yall please.
Wait, why is having the best time skiing, while listening to girly pop music so relatable, like I vividly remember, when RUN2U came out and I was just jamming to the song over and over again and had such a blast while hitting the slopes!
6:23 the way these are all things that kpop stans on twitter have said😭
i think belift has done a fine job at making illit their own thing, they just need to go harder with the creative direction. cherish is one of my fav kpop music videos of all time & sticking with that whimsical style would be good for them.
interestingly enough, it’s that whimsical style fans say the group “stole” from newjeans that makes me go ?? & i think this is due to the success of ditto and the creative direction of get up. hopefully this makes sense.
6:23 the way people were actually stating each of these at different points in time, history repeats itself yet again
its sad that their signature sound and style was fully realized with their second ep.
I don't think i've seen a formation of a group this cursed since....ever, like idk what was in the waters that everyone and their mama was against them
I mean le sserafim had it rough too but not that rough
I always found it weird how people say illit themselves are bad when in reality their rookie gg that got wrap in a coporate battle if anything I have so much sympathy and admiration for them it must be hard especially in Asia where reputation matters a lot I hope nothing for the best for them p.s honestly I feel like their envy towards them coming from toxic gg Stan’s that magnetic was a hit song also I think a lot people feeling towards new jeans derives from bunnies and how they were basically harassing illit and bullying them yet claim they care for mistreatment for new jeans but do nothing but bully and harasss another group and that personally rub me the wrong way people say fandom shouldn’t affect the way you stand a group and I use to agree but now that I’m older and seen how fandom have treated fans and especially poc and even their favs fandoms can affect people perception for a group sorry for my rant
oh my god i really hate that argument that Illit was copying NJ???? sheesh NJ is hip hop and Illit is not. Even just the core of their songs should tell them they are different
I will just never understand how people can say ILLIT's concept is similar/copy of NewJeans because they're not similar at all, ILLIT's concept is CUTE whereas NewJeans is more" next door girl" kind of concept I really do not see how they are similar
This is annoying. Ppl saying that illit was made to replace njs without any evidence aside from fan speculation. And it’s the fact that illit only followed a trend like everyone else in the industry. Their concepts aren’t even alike
Being a tokki and a glitt this year was so bad, seeing tokkis say nasty things about illit then I call them out and they say it's cause I'm not a bunny and when glitts get angry at tokkis and say out of pocket shit about newjeans, they say I am a toxic bunny, I can't win
its time to unstan and move to the right side of history 💔
It’s gllits by the way, not glitts.. just a lil correction
No cus same like being a multi Stan is crazy. It hasn’t been this bad for me since peak blackpink and twice
Man i am fearnot to i just had there hate train too
@@Kazuhathewindso only being an gllit?
Dude, internet nathan’s video is actually tragic. It’s an opinion piece with no facts, just clips or reporters and CLEARLY pandering to bunnies. Saying hanni was brave for calling out hybe malpractice at the press conference and not saying what exactly she said. Passing off all MIN HEEJIN hate as unforgivable misogyny? It was legitimately so distressing to watch the video and see all of the enabled bunnies in the comments i had to quit mid watch. I’m not against youtubers picking up sponsorships but the fact that that video in particular included an ad was extremely distressing. That entire video felt uninformed and like a cash grab honestly.
He also called legitimate criticism “misogyny”, it’s really problematic behavior imo.
Idk where they got NewJeans from, illit gives off more stayc + loona/triples sound and look to me (not saying their copying them just reminds me of them)
anyhow stan illit
I like illit and their music. Why do I always like groups then go online and find out so many people hate on them: I even like the new song with Ava max. Then people online complained lol
I’m sorry I have never listened to a single Illit track and thought of NewJeans, their music sounds completely different. Now, maybe Hybe was trying to replace NewJeans but the vibe of their music and style is also different. I really don’t understand the comparisons musically.
But this was a great video btw. Very well put!
Thank you for this. I will not ever forget being in a TikTok comment section and defending both illit and NJ from MHJ Stan’s and getting called a hybe Stan and being told (as an adult with a job that involves working with students) that I shouldn’t work work with or be around people because I have a “toxic” mindset.
I'll admit, I was a die hard bunny, and I legit remember listening to Magnetic and thinking "This sounds alot like Newjeans". I had also watched RUNext, and I was a little disappointed, since the NJ album was released very close together.
Then I heard Tick Tack, and I went back and listened to the entire EPs, and I'm probably a bigger fan of Illit (not saying that Fandom name 💀) now, especially with the tiredness of the entire NJs and MHJ drama
They have a really cool dream core concept, and I really enjoy that half, and the glitch, nearly hyperpop elements makes my producer brain itch.
I’m glad ur still uploading bro :’) another great vid! Thx taejiu!!
THANK YOU for pointing out the mhj stuff. So many bunnies and knetz treat her like a saint but she has caused so much unnecessary drama for all the groups involved.
15:07 I feel like he's only saying that because MHJ is a woman and thinks that she can do no wrong which is pretty sexist imo.
The f(x) part hit me because f(x) and aespa would have slayyeddd togetherrr...imagine the collabs we could have had
I'm always just absolutely baffled when people compare illit's music to newjeans or even their concept bcs wth are you even talking about? maybe and just MAYBE if newjeans had stayed within the same concept and music style of attention, would illit and newjeans be in any way comparable but they haven't. newjeans sounds nothing and looks nothing like illit, you're crazy if you're telling me that a song about teeth sounds and looks anything like a song about being an alien, you sound insane.
Exactly Taejiu. The amount of hate I’ve seen ILLIT get from bunnies has been insane. Ever since MHJ named them, the group’s been given such a hard time. Not to mention, MHJ thinks she invented all of this stuff with NewJeans, and bunnies actually believe her…. It’s crazy.
It’s just crazy how much mess has been created by this whole situation because of such a manipulative woman. It’s a shame to see people hating other K-pop groups because of stuff like this. I don’t hate any of these groups, not even NewJeans, I just feel bad for them. It’s just sad.
I appreciate the shoutout brother, and thanks again for being a voice of common sense and reason in K-tube.
Illit didn’t copy newjeans, what is this propaganda
I would actually love to see you do a video unpacking Min Heejin's actions and her effects on NewJeans, HYBE and the industry as a whole. I don't like to label anyone as wholly evil but to me she is pretty fuckin close.
... It's music. And the companies that produce them are businesses, run by businesspeople, who want to make money. If it didn't make money, it wouldn't be a successful business.
I wish people read more books and just enjoyed music.
This video is so right, the drama is exhausting. The message that some bunnies spread online that "Illit took Newjeans' place" originally put me in this position where I felt like I had to "stick it to the copycats" and not listen to Illit's music while silently resenting them. It was because NewJeans was the reason I got into k-pop, and I love their music to an unhealthy degree. Suddenly having NewJeans be caught up in legal trouble and having the anti-Illit, pro Min Hee-Jin rhetoric pushed upon me made me mad. But now I've realised, I can listen to both of those groups and not have this petty drama get in the way of who I listen to.
Newjeans and Illit are cool, I would've loved to see a collab, stop being haters!
(Please don't take this to heart, I don't know much about k-pop as a whole)
It’s rumored that wonhee and moka were bunnies too (it’s not implausible to believe they were all fans of new jeans). I mean, being a trainee, you look up to these idols and want to be like them. Could you imagine being a massive fan of a group and then that group and their “mother” began hating on you and sprouting one of the worst hate trains for a rookie group…I would be so upset. You dream about meeting your idols but then you are pitted against them. :( I love Illit so much and sadly, I used to love NJs a lot too. They are both the only groups were I own all their albums and every version…but this dream has tainted one side so much and will leave unrepairable scars to another.
I don't know about moka but wonhee might have been a tokki in past. Cuz she reportedly did her audition with a newjeans song, hype boy
Same I'm a grown woman singing Lucky Girl Syndrome. It's just that good!
newjeans were like little kids when bts were formed, min heejin left sm entertainment in 2018 and didn’t even plan newjeans yet. newjeans probably wouldn’t have even been a thing if hybe didn’t leave her in charge of ador. min heejin needs a reality check.
I think ILLIT is very cute, the members seem sweet and their concept is fun and enjoyable to listen to. I just wish it was more than that. Their management seems very set on this cutesy schoolgirl concept, which is fine, but personally it feels trendy and not like BeLIFT is is innovating anything. I really see so much potential in these girls and I want BeLIFT to put some effort into them to make sure theyre the great idols I know they can be. Also, some new concepts would be great. I think a very natural evolution of their concept could be to a teencrush concept like ITZY did at debut, or a more early-Twice concept.
there's no point sugarcoating it bc the njs members definitely hate illit.
as they should be 🤭
@ average braindead bunnie response
@@KazuhathewindThat's so mean. Be better
And mhj also hates lesserafim. Mhj is so far from feminism cause that old patriarchy agent really loves pit women against women.
@@AndYouWillBeWithMebut what @user-mc3qv4pw1p is ok???? How about we all stop with the wierd speculation. 🤦♀️
Honestly, this is why I've stopped even trying to follow what's happening on the economic side of kpop. It's just so depressing to have to constantly adopt this mentality that art is a profitable commodity rather than something to be enjoyed just by virtue of its creative value. We spend so much time shaming the artists for needing to make money and for their company's actions that we bypass actually becoming more ethical consumers and go straight to being haters. It's such a waste of time, and if you're not gonna spend your life worrying about what music benefits what huge greedy company, then just shut up and enjoy the music. Late stage capitalism is ruining everything istg.
I really hope both ILLIT and newjeans members are okay. I can't imagine how stressful it's been for either group. I wouldn't be shocked if they're traumatized after everything. I've always thought the hate either group is unnecessary. I dont think either groups sound or concept is THAT similar. I can easily tell both groups apart. And even if they were similar it's not like no groups are ever similar lol especially nowadays. Most girl groups do girl crush especially since blackpinks success for instance. So it's not a huge deal imo
Well put, bestie! You’re always looking out for the wellbeing of others!
@Nameless_mixes aw thank you bestie 🩵
For a future video with style like this I would love to see knew review of Kiss Of Life's growth in just under 2 years!
Finally a ktuber who understands the difference of jersey club and plug like they aren't the same type of music. Illit literally makes songs a entirely different sub genre then newjeans😢
i think maybe mhj wants nj have same perks as bts in hybe, but knowing that +10 years of exp in ent industry vs +1 year, hybe exec don’t want give that, so they tried to threaten first but hybe do not listen hence the fiasco.
Thanks man for saying the truth. I only listen to k pop cuz of Illit and I think all the hate is silly. I just want the girls to be successful, cuz they got what it takes.
Also I hope they make better music. I felt like hybe made poor musical choices in their first comeback
Now I get sound similarites between the groups. Both groups have sounds that can compliment each other. If you put some of illit songs and some of Newjeans songs in an album that would work because they do sound good together. However copying concepts is something I will never get. Now the REAL ME world (where lucky girl syndrome takes place in their lore) can work similar to songs like attention visuals but that’s not even full concept so that is what we call searching for a problem.
YESS ILLIT VIDEOO
I'm so glad that you understand MHJ isn't actually protecting newjeans and that the whole illit copying thing was just a distraction. You earned a sub! (tho i've been watching you for a while)
Completely agree with everything you said here!
Hey dude good video im an army i got in to this when those mhj kskao was leaked nj fans have attacked illit basis on two things :- 1) mhj and her accusations 2) hybe market research documents where this fan claim its written by hybe and the planned to replace nj with illit
They shouldhave had a darker blood liminal space dark pluggnb style it would go so hard
As a fan of both, Illit never felt the same as NJ - they both clearly have their own sound and concepts...maybe some count 5 members and don't think beyond that? It's reminding me of the people who said aespa are just a BP copy lol this type of drama isn't new but it's sad to see it keep happening to so many groups
We need the friends playlist!
4:08 SO TRUE OMG
Honestly, when MHJ v HYBE started happening I decided to distance myself from caring too much about the kpop industry. Only recently I caught up again on them because I jumped back in watching Kdramas while also actively avoiding NJ content. I started listening to ILLIT again because their new song is quite good, and other groups as well. It is possible to be aware of the stuff happening while keeping your opinions to yourself. I also never felt this much disdain toward another person, but now there is MHJ.
I think that I agree with the narrative of "ILLIT's dilemma is the K-pop comminity" because the way that kind of hatred spead like wildfire in Hybe groups while protecting NJ, YeoChin and fromis from those kinds of hatred when they were technically Hybe artists in their history sounds pretty insane, and that's what I call insane online fan treatment at the highest level....
(Maybe I could use some parts of the video on a anti Hybe hate video on my other channel....)