12:30, Laura is so out of touch with reality. She has no chance against Camille and I am sure she does not live in a black neighborhood and has never set foot on the south side of Chicago,, the problem according to her is always "systemic", we need to have a "conversation" this solves NOTHING.
Exactly! They always want to "facilitate a conversation", "open a discussion" and "raise awareness" and confuse this with actually DOING something. We don't need anymore out-of-touch and overly comfortable academics yapping about their daft Utopian theories. They live in a fantasy world.
You are so right that she most likely never set foot on the south side of Chicago where, tragically, there are hundreds of black on black murders every year. 500 in 2016! If she and other leftists really cared about blacks--that is what they would be talking about.
2:40 As someone who has sold Halloween costumes for over 15 years in our store I don't know where she gets this information/opinion. Sexy Halloween costumes are super niche and sell very poorly compared to Super Hero, or Cool/Fun costumes which dominate the large top % of the charts in sales. Lower on the totem pole are villain costumes, and then borderline bootleg/low imagination costumes such as costumes titled, "Evil Singer Undead Girl", or "Karate Panda Warlord". Below those bootleg/low imagination costumes are where the sexy costumes lay sales/demand wise. The amount of sexy female/male costumes offered each year is more and more paltry as they sell very poorly since they are so niche. Even major distributors of costumes such as Rubies/Disguise/GoMJC etc would tell you this just by browsing their catalogs each year. Heck, GoMJC doesn't even carry them at all anymore and they rarely carry villain costumes. Her saying that women's costumes are getting sexier or more revealing each year is purely opinion and isn't based on any actual evidence that I can see. I would say the opposite is true as costumes that fun/interesting, unisex, comfy/easier fit, and that appeal to both men and women sell far better overall than any other type of costume.
Are they talking about college-age adults? By the time I got to college, I was a man, and I would spit on anyone who tried to treat me as a child. I can see now the limits of my knowledge and lack of maturity, but I gained knowledge and maturity by bumping my head against the real world. Offensive speech? I lived in a crap hole neighborhood and carried a gun for self-defense. If you speak to students as if they were children, they remain children. Then they go out in the real world and continue to demand the coddling and privileges of children.
I like the phrase "the power of transgressive imagination." This is something that should be taught in school, or there will be a lot of sheep. History is filled with lessons on this.
How can you have conversation when PC encourages students to scream and shut others down? That's having a conversation? When the professor had a 'conservation' by sending an email defending transgressive costumes, students went wild and crazy. That is not having a conversation.
But but but white supremacy! Leftists like Laura Beth see every human being not as individuals, but as members of identity groups. Membership in some groups is virtue (black, female, Muslim, etc) and in others (white, male, Christian) is SIN.
I was encouraged by this conversation. I love seeing people have conversations about controversial topics that are conducted in a thoughtful way without screaming and yelling and intentionally provocative rhetoric.
I hate all this schoolmumming behaviour of the blond younger lady. At such times I hate women, even though I am a woman myself. Just leave other people alone, and get your poky nose out of students affairs. You are not the mum.
Laura Beth is the worst of establishment university types. She can't speak a single sentence without this endless virtue signalling. Camille speaks off-the-cuff. So meaningful and holistic. Whereas, Laura Beth constantly sounds like a left-wing news headline.
20:15 The Sibyl speaks a dire warning for those who have ears to hear it, "I find a tremendous narrowness of knowledge, and a kind of naivete, everywhere-not just among students but among faculty-about the real nature of human history. Okay? There've been just a series of great oppressive empires-everywhere: in the East and in the West-that had a certain cyclic kind of a pattern that can seen as parallel to our own, today. And I think that this great knowledge and wisdom that comes from a vast perspective of history-starting with the earliest periods, the Stone Age, and the nomadic period, moving into the agrarian period, and so on. So, yes, I think the curriculum has to be simplified but professors would never agree to it because that's not how they've been trained, and they would-our present professors-would be incompetent, in fact, to think in a larger point of view. But that's what students love. Students love a course that can give them a long view, in great, simple terms, of the great trajectory of history."
This interview is hilarious...because you can see Paglia biting her tongue for most of it lol! She definitely couldn't let loose like she normally does solo...
Unbelievable, the systemic incarceration is a function of that demographic commuting crimes, not racism. Camille is right that it needs to be solved at the root cause to prevent crime.
Camille is amazing. I am jealous because she can express herself the way she wants to and she has platform to express herself. It is impossible;e to do this in my country. If any women talks like her ,everybody pushes them out .
Laura Beth tries to create the illusion of broad-mindedness in her responses to Paula's very cogent questions, but can't help injecting her ideology into her every answer--for instance, how dissent and the discussion that should come out of it seem to have to be centred around "colonialism."
I threw up in my mouth the moment Laura Beth Nielsen started talking about “needing to have a conversation”. These two aren’t even in the same universe. Drop Laura off in the middle of Syria and let her find her own way out. Maybe she’ll discover the real world and gain some perspective outside her leftist echo chamber.
Does Laura Beth Nielsen know what she is talking about when she says men still out number women at college? I heard that it was women who out numbered men. If you Google "do women outnumber men at college?" you get an affirmative answer with articles like: "Why Do Women Outnumber Men in College?" and "Why Do More Women than Men Go to College?" Do feminist just assume that women have it worse, or do they just lie?
I think it depends on the program. As I understand it women are more the majority in the liberal arts, and men are the majority in STEM. I think women and men are just usually interested in different things, and I don’t consider that terrible.
My God, this Laura is completely out of touch with reality. Men are dropping out of college, most courses nowadays have more women than men, what's the source of her information?? I'm also annoyed with the interviewer that made a lot more questions to her rather than Camille!
Literally no one here is watching for Laura Beth Nielsen. Interesting to see such a conventional AWFL in direct contrast with the great Camille Paglia.
Even though I do not agree with Laura Beth Neilsen, I understand why one would be tempted to advise students on their costumes. Against my wishes, my oldest son dressed up as a giant penis for Halloween when he was sixteen. I am not sure what he learned from it. Nonetheless, it was his to learn.
they don't know it's offensive? ha! I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that dressing up in black face or as a Mexican or whatever is offensive, nobody needs a class for that, and it's condescending to believe that people do
+Micah Vincent. What right does anyone have not to be "offended"...? This is Planet Earth, you are going to be challenged, every single day! No one can "offend" another person: only they have the capacity to be "offended". How did such men as Frederick Douglass, and Booker T. Washington achieve what they did, and grow to such stature that their names will live long? They refused to be emasculated, offended, or belittled, by what the world said. How I wish their insights resonated now......
Why on earth is it offensive? I loved native American dress, why could I not try it on? What is offensive about it. I am not offended by men who want to wear women's clothing I am only offended by those who think it makes them female. Where do you lot get your silly idead from?
Camille is great at turning every discussion into a conversation about her personal life." Halloween is a transgressive holiday because I used to dress like a man , btw did you know I am a lesbian etc. etc.." And she is like an old gramophone record, and repeatedly goes back to the same talking points in every interview.
I've noted that. My explanation is that because she does not engage in emotional reasoning but actual analysis, history, data, etc. she refers to her experience anecdotally as a bridge to other commenters who simply don't have her intellectual weight, productivity, or training. And also, she does have a position, a completely important and supportable one, and one that gets very little air time given the control the left has over the university and media arenas.
This interview is hilarious...because you can see Paglia biting her tongue for most of it lol! She definitely couldn't let loose like she normally does solo...
I can see Paglia rolling her eyes to heaven
@Larkinchance Absolutely. Love Paglia. The very facts that there is little comment after 4 years shows how deep the sickness has got
@@richardverrall534 Her message for most women is, "Grow up!
would like to hear the inner thoughts of camille on laura beth nielsen
Clariccy she probably thinks Nielson a buffoon, as do I.
girlg0figure but white people have no rights to self-determination right
She has no thoughts on Laura Beth Nielsen.
12:30, Laura is so out of touch with reality. She has no chance against Camille and I am sure she does not live in a black neighborhood and has never set foot on the south side of Chicago,, the problem according to her is always "systemic", we need to have a "conversation" this solves NOTHING.
Exactly! They always want to "facilitate a conversation", "open a discussion" and "raise awareness" and confuse this with actually DOING something. We don't need anymore out-of-touch and overly comfortable academics yapping about their daft Utopian theories. They live in a fantasy world.
You are so right that she most likely never set foot on the south side of Chicago where, tragically, there are hundreds of black on black murders every year. 500 in 2016! If she and other leftists really cared about blacks--that is what they would be talking about.
@@JaneEvaNo, those are, in fact, rather sinister euphemisms for doing many very bad things.
2:40 As someone who has sold Halloween costumes for over 15 years in our store I don't know where she gets this information/opinion. Sexy Halloween costumes are super niche and sell very poorly compared to Super Hero, or Cool/Fun costumes which dominate the large top % of the charts in sales. Lower on the totem pole are villain costumes, and then borderline bootleg/low imagination costumes such as costumes titled, "Evil Singer Undead Girl", or "Karate Panda Warlord". Below those bootleg/low imagination costumes are where the sexy costumes lay sales/demand wise. The amount of sexy female/male costumes offered each year is more and more paltry as they sell very poorly since they are so niche. Even major distributors of costumes such as Rubies/Disguise/GoMJC etc would tell you this just by browsing their catalogs each year. Heck, GoMJC doesn't even carry them at all anymore and they rarely carry villain costumes. Her saying that women's costumes are getting sexier or more revealing each year is purely opinion and isn't based on any actual evidence that I can see. I would say the opposite is true as costumes that fun/interesting, unisex, comfy/easier fit, and that appeal to both men and women sell far better overall than any other type of costume.
Are they talking about college-age adults? By the time I got to college, I was a man, and I would spit on anyone who tried to treat me as a child. I can see now the limits of my knowledge and lack of maturity, but I gained knowledge and maturity by bumping my head against the real world. Offensive speech? I lived in a crap hole neighborhood and carried a gun for self-defense. If you speak to students as if they were children, they remain children. Then they go out in the real world and continue to demand the coddling and privileges of children.
Camille: "Puh-leeze!"
I fucking love Camille Paglia.
What Nielson wants is a My-Speech zone where everyone believes her way after a discussion to guide people to agreeing with her.
I like the phrase "the power of transgressive imagination." This is something that should be taught in school, or there will be a lot of sheep. History is filled with lessons on this.
Ms. Nielsen is supremely intellectually outclassed; so much so that she is unaware the her approach is exactly what Paglia has spent years critiquing.
How can you have conversation when PC encourages students to scream and shut others down? That's having a conversation?
When the professor had a 'conservation' by sending an email defending transgressive costumes, students went wild and crazy. That is not having a conversation.
But but but white supremacy!
Leftists like Laura Beth see every human being not as individuals, but as members of identity groups. Membership in some groups is virtue (black, female, Muslim, etc) and in others (white, male, Christian) is SIN.
Camille is a genius. She's a pretty awesome dude.
I was encouraged by this conversation. I love seeing people have conversations about controversial topics that are conducted in a thoughtful way without screaming and yelling and intentionally provocative rhetoric.
I hate all this schoolmumming behaviour of the blond younger lady. At such times I hate women, even though I am a woman myself. Just leave other people alone, and get your poky nose out of students affairs. You are not the mum.
I love that the intro to this series has some dark as fuck atonal music
Camille - so subdued.... and cut the segment before she went in...love her!
Laura Beth is the worst of establishment university types. She can't speak a single sentence without this endless virtue signalling. Camille speaks off-the-cuff. So meaningful and holistic. Whereas, Laura Beth constantly sounds like a left-wing news headline.
She said the white mans dollar. Shes slimy
Camille is on her own level of genius.
20:15 The Sibyl speaks a dire warning for those who have ears to hear it, "I find a tremendous narrowness of knowledge, and a kind of naivete, everywhere-not just among students but among faculty-about the real nature of human history. Okay? There've been just a series of great oppressive empires-everywhere: in the East and in the West-that had a certain cyclic kind of a pattern that can seen as parallel to our own, today. And I think that this great knowledge and wisdom that comes from a vast perspective of history-starting with the earliest periods, the Stone Age, and the nomadic period, moving into the agrarian period, and so on. So, yes, I think the curriculum has to be simplified but professors would never agree to it because that's not how they've been trained, and they would-our present professors-would be incompetent, in fact, to think in a larger point of view. But that's what students love. Students love a course that can give them a long view, in great, simple terms, of the great trajectory of history."
This interview is hilarious...because you can see Paglia biting her tongue for most of it lol! She definitely couldn't let loose like she normally does solo...
Unbelievable, the systemic incarceration is a function of that demographic commuting crimes, not racism. Camille is right that it needs to be solved at the root cause to prevent crime.
Camille is amazing. I am jealous because she can express herself the way she wants to and she has platform to express herself. It is impossible;e to do this in my country. If any women talks like her ,everybody pushes them out .
Laura Beth tries to create the illusion of broad-mindedness in her responses to Paula's very cogent questions, but can't help injecting her ideology into her every answer--for instance, how dissent and the discussion that should come out of it seem to have to be centred around "colonialism."
I threw up in my mouth the moment Laura Beth Nielsen started talking about “needing to have a conversation”. These two aren’t even in the same universe. Drop Laura off in the middle of Syria and let her find her own way out. Maybe she’ll discover the real world and gain some perspective outside her leftist echo chamber.
Does Laura Beth Nielsen know what she is talking about when she says men still out number women at college? I heard that it was women who out numbered men. If you Google "do women outnumber men at college?" you get an affirmative answer with articles like: "Why Do Women Outnumber Men in College?" and "Why Do More Women than Men Go to College?"
Do feminist just assume that women have it worse, or do they just lie?
I think it depends on the program. As I understand it women are more the majority in the liberal arts, and men are the majority in STEM. I think women and men are just usually interested in different things, and I don’t consider that terrible.
My God, this Laura is completely out of touch with reality. Men are dropping out of college, most courses nowadays have more women than men, what's the source of her information?? I'm also annoyed with the interviewer that made a lot more questions to her rather than Camille!
I love Camille! Gone is this stupid over-the-top sentimentality in favour of freedom of expression. She's terrific!
Literally no one here is watching for Laura Beth Nielsen. Interesting to see such a conventional AWFL in direct contrast with the great Camille Paglia.
Even though I do not agree with Laura Beth Neilsen, I understand why one would be tempted to advise students on their costumes. Against my wishes, my oldest son dressed up as a giant penis for Halloween when he was sixteen. I am not sure what he learned from it. Nonetheless, it was his to learn.
26:00
The Dean seems on Camille's page.
She's interviewed Paglia in the past. CP has been around a while now.
they don't know it's offensive?
ha!
I'm pretty sure that everyone knows that dressing up in black face or as a Mexican or whatever is offensive, nobody needs a class for that, and it's condescending to believe that people do
+Micah Vincent. What right does anyone have not to be "offended"...? This is Planet Earth, you are going to be challenged, every single day! No one can "offend" another person: only they have the capacity to be "offended". How did such men as Frederick Douglass, and Booker T. Washington achieve what they did, and grow to such stature that their names will live long? They refused to be emasculated, offended, or belittled, by what the world said. How I wish their insights resonated now......
Obviously white people should all just go around in chains.
Why on earth is it offensive? I loved native American dress, why could I not try it on? What is offensive about it. I am not offended by men who want to wear women's clothing I am only offended by those who think it makes them female. Where do you lot get your silly idead from?
College freshmen are not aware of what societal problems?
Why is this woman in a discussion with Camelia; what a nonsensical counter argument.
Christ, this woman is the definition of 'weakling'! (not Paglia, who is probably screaming inside and wants to GTFO)
Teaching world history should be mandatory.
Nielsen's vision has proven to be false. Colleges have now discarded functionalism in favor of ideological driven non-functionalism.
The amount of misinformation and cognitive self sabotage that laura offers in this one is impressive.
Pointless debate over a meaningless cultural issue…no real discussions on topics like economic equality in this nation
Dr. Paglia talked about how to help poor Black kids.
Camille eviserates laura Beth. Geez,
23:09 "free speech zone" is a ridiculous concept
People could be able to wear anything they want in Halloween.
At least they are intellectual... Nice change
Camille is great at turning every discussion into a conversation about her personal life." Halloween is a transgressive holiday because I used to dress like a man , btw did you know I am a lesbian etc. etc.."
And she is like an old gramophone record, and repeatedly goes back to the same talking points in every interview.
I've noted that. My explanation is that because she does not engage in emotional reasoning but actual analysis, history, data, etc. she refers to her experience anecdotally as a bridge to other commenters who simply don't have her intellectual weight, productivity, or training. And also, she does have a position, a completely important and supportable one, and one that gets very little air time given the control the left has over the university and media arenas.
Very American though... Me me me...
This interview is hilarious...because you can see Paglia biting her tongue for most of it lol! She definitely couldn't let loose like she normally does solo...