German prototype shell to extend Ukraine’s artillery range against Russia
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- Germany’s newest military innovation could significantly impact Ukraine’s artillery capabilities. The country has created a prototype artillery shell with an impressive firing range of up to 62 miles - a substantial leap from the current 155 mm rounds that reach only 20 miles.
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Going from 20 miles...to 62 MILES for a 155mm artillery shell...is MASSIVE.....this pushed russian supply, ammo, fuel and headquarters much further back from the frontlines, making resupply for russia a longer more expensive and time consuming thing to do....leading to more Ukraine wins on the battlefield. Also having longer range, means ukraine guns will be out of range for counter battery fire from russian guns! HUGE GAME CHANGER!
It makes economic sense, because it is probably the cheapest way to deliver explosives.
Russia would need to move their assets back.
@@pnmetronariston4112 putin is in his bunker screaming at the staff over his losses.....soon to follow hitler
putin about to head to his bunker....KARMA!
@@agnelomascarenhas8990 This is Russia we are talking about, Russia will ridicule the new weapon system and pretend all the new explosions occurring are just smoking accidents. Meanwhile I can see Rhinemetal is going to be selling these like hot cakes in the near future
@@pnmetronariston4112 RuZZian bot
62 miles is 100km, that’s WILD! if they can deliver them in any volume it will massively help
Some sources claim that this tech allows for an increase to upto 150km, i guess it also depends still a bit on the plattform these are shot from.
@@kinngrimm For sure also the platform. There are systems between 30km and 70km of range. It speaks for itself
Meanwhile the USA has spent like 1 trillion dollars on failed extended range cannon programs and still we got nothing!
The US should consider either upgrading their M109s with L/52 barrels if possible or look at a replacement, there’re already some options on the market. Tracked would be PzH 2000, K9 Thunder or the Polish Krab; wheeled options include the French CAESAr, the Slovak Zuzana or the Ukrainian 2S22 Bohdana. The RCH 155 should also be interesting, being able to fire on the move. L/60 systems are also already being developed.
@@RichelieuUnlimited I agree but I think the US military is boxed into wasting money by corruption and also their own dumb regulations that made sense at some time but dont anymore.
To be fair, the US had expected to build vast numbers of Extended range shells which would have resulted in a price per shell being significantly lower
Not that is an excuse for the wastage and failure. There is some hope something can be salvaged from this mess though with new US artillery system in development
@@_wmd_The shells are going forward, but the new extended range cannon artillery (ERCA) is scraped.
Didn't Boeing and Nammo make a 155mm ramjet artillery with a range of 80 miles for USA a few years ago?
So many "game changers" in this war
Like what? It was only claimed with Himars, and they did change a lot. This shells could too.
@@NotUnymous The tanks (Abrams, Leopard, Chally), ATACMS, HIMARS, F16, Patriot etc. etc.
Get a brain bro.
As to be expected. This is the first major, longer running war since decates between modern armies. More or less sleeping weapon productions in Europe wake up again and modernise their arsenals.
(Sorry for the suffering regions with civil wars or long running conflicts I ignored for simplification. I know there where "wars" all the time somewhere - but nothing as demanding on new weapon-systems and supply as Ukraine)
I googled this “miles” thing he’s talking about, and it appears to be the US variant of this once prevalent measure as “62 miles” almost matches the 100 km range reported elsewhere.
(There used to be a plethora of “miles”, and even the small handful of variants that remain today can be confusing as they are all different.)
He misspoke, i believe he meant to say "1091 football fields".
game changer after game changer , but war is not a game!
Western delays in shipments + Ukrainian delays in mobilizing = still gonna win
Generally the issue with these long range shells is they are a lot more expensive than the simple ones plus at that range there's a low of variance so you basically can only use it on fixed targets and you will need to use a few shots before you hit. Also the space you use for the propellant means less space for the explosive. That being said, less expensive than a $100k HIMAR and can't be shot down.
also needs a larger chamber and more potent charges not all 155mm NATO guns can get/use ... the Pzh2000 and caesars got those upgrade developments with the extended range / V-lap program back then they went above 60km range ... other 155s like m777s, most M109 variants etc lack those upgrades and wont be able to utilize the new shells.
Still, these new shells will be a nice addition and hopefully a cheaper, more available alternative to the very expensive/rare shells a la Vulcan ... was rather shameful how few of those extended range shells we delivered when we send the Pzh2000s over, even tho the pzh2000 added some range even with the standard shells.
100km is only going to happen with wings. No way rocket assist or the like is enough. Of course, wings also reduce the volume available for explosives. That said, supplies of explosives are a major limiting factor right now anyway.
Something like the Norwegian nammo ramjet rounds?
There's very little 21st century tech being deployed in Ukraine. It's mostly cold war stock. Leopard 2 1970s tank, Challenger 2 1990s tank, Abrams 1980s tank, HIMARS 1980s tech put on a truck in the 90s........... the list goes on.
He said it: "The game changer"
Is this a regular or GPS guided round?
probably both
62 mile range without it being guided would be hard to hit anything
It‘s probably gonna have at least inertial guidance, further systems likely depend on how expensive the range extension method is. If it’s sufficiently cheap, lack of accuracy could be compensated by a higher volume of shells.
I think similar to excalibur shell but I never know 100%so not only with GPS about electronic Warefare. The Ukrainian need a Jamming system to counter the electronic Warefare that must be!!!!!!! All the Shells also from Fighter jet lose correction about that electronic Warefare and European I m also but the Political unbelievable without any Eggs and think German my Country much deeper in the Ass there never shoot 😂🎉really it's not a Joke more than 57%think so, unbelievable!!!!!!!! I tell you many People think about that War only about over the Top People and normal People didn't check to that Day you didn't fight for your Country only for the system and for over the Top People
GPS/Inertia/Laser guided wing stabilised base bleed/rocket assisted rounds with a CEP of around 5m on that range.
32Km Range is the normal range for older 155mm HE grenades fired by the PzH2000. The newer ammunition that is designed for the PzH2000 has a normal range of up to 45km, the extended range ammunition currently around 72-100km
Shows base bleed on video, ROF introduced this years ago
Yawn another game changer
Javelins , tecnologia de ponta ocidental e todos os tanques e veículos de combate bummmmmm 💥
62 miles is straight up bonkers range. I just wonder what happens when artillery shells come with optical AI. Doesn't need GPS. Can't be jammed. Can pick out the most valuable undestroyed target in its field of view. Identify it. Hit it at its known most vulnerable point. What happens when we're living in that world? And you know it's not far off. Insane.
We could make laser-guided copperhead in the 80s. It definitely isn't impossible. That said, a lot of stuff artillery is shot at would be hard to train an AI to recognize. Which building, and what part of the building, or a camouflaged position for example.
This seems...unlikely. If they could do this before they would have. Something else will happen deep behind the lines that will be attributed to these impossible projectiles.
So good to hear that Ukraine's friends are "pledging" more weapons. The lag time between proud press releases to stuff actually getting to the front lines can be measures in Ukrainian bodies.
True, but usually somewhat accurate timetables are provided, allowing Ukraine to adjust. I.e. the first shells from the Czech initiative should arrive in June, so Ukraine can already use shells less sparingly.
*And something tomorrow is better than nothing at all.
Please don't throw the word game changer around like that 🙄
France’s 3000 shells a month, 36,000 per year probably won’t even touch the sides, when considering other nato countries are talking in the millions. Such as the Czech Republic. Better some than none though and the Cesar artillery pieces are pretty good.
I understand what you're saying. I do. Trouble is, Ukr needs this type of 155 shell NOW, not 90 days from now. They are being OVERRUN.
yeah faster support is superior but hey - would it be better if this technology is not invented? the incentive for fast delivery is absolutely there
The problem is, that the US dragged their feet with assistance and arms production isn’t something one can ramp up in a day, so Europe couldn‘t fully compensate. But with or without the US, European production should soon be able to cover Ukraine‘s immediate needs, and before long outpace Russian production.
Just a day later, though, they are not being overrun anymore as russia's "Kharkiv offense" grinds to a halt - as expected.
Things arent rosy, but russia cant overrun anything. As soon as they approach open terrain where their mechanized infantry capabilities are revealed as still abysmal, things suddenly stop. Its pretty clear that russia's strategy right now is to just seize territory regardless of tactical or strategic value, under the assumption that Ukraine cannot retake it.
Right now that may be true, but as slow as russia is advancing, that is going to change for two reasons: Ukraine changing their conscription policy and military aid finally rolling in. In addition to that, the White House will shortly clarify its policy that Ukraine shall not use US weapons to attack targets in russia proper in such a way, that Ukraine shall not use these weapons in an offensive capacity, but only for defensive purposes such as spoiling attacks. That means, russia will no longer be allowed to stage its troops just across the border with impunity because Ukraine will be attacking them with stand-off weapons across the border - with US blessing. In a few months russia will face the challenge of sustaining its attacks via stretched supply lines that will see intensified attacks by Ukraine, including those inside russia and with western weapons.
But a crucial element of Ukraine's success will be conscription of younger than 27 years of age men. They cant keep sending the same troops into battle indefinitely, they need to rotate them out and replace them with fresh and younger troops. Without that, no amount of aid can see this through to defeating russia.
Germany has consistently promised supplies and then delivered very slowly, if at all. They are frightened of Putin.
considering that certain partners are dragging their feet in respect to aid (USA has been stalling for close to a year, UK is delivering less than half of the german contribution, we dont need to talk about France, wich is doing so little, that it could be also considered allied to russia)
I wonder what the accuracy is at the maximal range.
At 100km it's gotta be GPS. I'd guess basically Excallibur with bigger wings so it can glide further. GPS will often get jammed at the end but even occasional GPS updates in route will bring the accuracy at least on par with conventional artillery.
Are they going to use the Pzh 2000 to fire the shells?
Ukraine still has all pzh 2000s, as none were destroyed so far, so most likely yes. They will fire it from other artillery too though, as the brigade with the pzh2000s can obviously only be at one place at once.
Nice of you to reply, Very helpful
Thanx
@@galactic-guy yes and no, these rounds (Volcano GLR and Volcano GPS/SAL) are designed and optimised to be fired from modern 155mm L/52 guns like the PzH2000. M109´s, AS90 etc cant properly use them.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 I'd imagine, since they seem to be developed primarily for ukraine, that Rheinmetall would make sure they can be fired from other NATO howitzers in Ukariens Arsenal. If they were developed primarily Germany it would obviously be a different story
@@galactic-guy Those are rounds developed by Rheinmetall and OTOMelara for the german and italian PzH2000 and 127mm naval guns.
Ukraine jsut recieves a batch of them (and already has recieved larger batches of Volcano ammunition since 2022
Base bleed 155mm are not new. Was used in the Angola bush war by South Africa as far back as the late 70's
those are not just base bleed rounds, those are so called Volcano rounds with extending stabilisiers and gliding wings etc.
Just in case these "news" aren't bs:
Increasing the range if shells mostly comes with a higher pressure to the barell. So it could be possible that not every piece of artillery is able to fire it.
It can befired from all PHZ2000 and probably from many common Artillery systems from NATO in 155m that have the long fed tray.
Longer Range is achieved by the rounds propulsion system.
@@paxundpeace9970 yes and no, you are required to have a 155mm L/52 gun to prpperly use the round
continuing to use the word 'game changer' after witnessing what as happened in the last 2 years is simply disgusting.
by the time it hits, the troops have moved on.... and how they adjusts fires.... fire mission have a protocol...
Game changer number 3759 in Ukraine... but nothing is changing in favour of Ukraine....
...hmm, let me think: a country with less than 40 million people and armed forces with no navy and almost no air force and very limited personel reserves - withstanding the armed forces ("second in the world") of the biggest country in the world now in the third year - a lot has changend for Ukraine...
@@heimdalshorn
Bla bla bla they will still lose this war
you lost me at 'game changer.'
jajajaja poor zombis
good job on tellegraphing ukraine weappons to russians... never heard of loose lips and sank ships?
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A base bleed grenade is nothing new
but doubling the range of 155 rounds in Ukraine is VERY new!
...this new shell has nothing to do with "base bleed" - it is a guided sabot round....
Base-bleed only allows for some 40km in range, that‘s less than half of what this new shell aims to achieve.
This is similar to base bleed ammunition but with a far more powerful and lasting propulsion system.
@@paxundpeace9970 ...base bleed has nothing to do with "propulsion", it enhances the aerodynamics - you are confusing this with "rocket assisted". the new rounds have nothing to to with either. It is a sub-caliber, sabot round....
It’s German. So basically they’ll be able 50 per year.
So, how much of that shell you can provide to Ukraine 20-50K a month. Or more than that?
how does anybody gonna know if the amunation is knew and not even on the market? like i guess rheinmetall is building facilitys in big style now but short term there basicly gonna be no output if they dont change current factorys massivly
Stop the war.
Putin can stop it immediately - he is the aggressor!
Putin can stop the war immediately. He is the aggressor!
@@pnmetronariston4112get a brain dude
All that has to happen for this war to end is Putin withdrawing his troops from Ukrainian soil. An apology would also be pretty nice.
By the time Ukraine gets this game changing round, like everything else that has been offered, the Russians will be in Kiev by then.
None of the 12 Game Changes sent beforehand changed any games 😅
Russia planed to capture Kyiv in a week. It's nowhere near to it after two years. That's among other aspects due to the "game changing weapons" from the west.
@@ikaustralia I dont know what you exect from 30 abrams and 30 himars but rusky has 20x times more in everything. US could have sent their 1000 abrams and 2000 f16 and it would have steamrolled russia in half a year
@@qefewfwdcwdc nothing, but people of Ukraine belived
@@qefewfwdcwdcwhere have I heard such ridiculous claims before 🤔 good luck though , it’s failed for all who tried before and I have never seen any superiority or success’s by the Americans to justify such misplaced confidence , the only confidence is their ability to screw up and leave and tell me why do Americans need to receive so many body bags for an ultra corrupt sh1thole like Ukraine which should have nothing to do with them ?
Germany is massively rearming again and developing new weapons. We should pay attention to what is happening in Germany!
And all other NATO countries need to copy their moves, to be well ahead of russia in every aspect!
@@jtf2dan und auch um vor deutschland sicher zu sein....
@@Netzjargonwas soll das denn bedeuten? Leben Sie schon im 21. Jahrhundert?
@@augustiner3821 danke
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Oh, please, 155mm shells doing "up to 62 miles" is NEVER, in millions of years, going to be a "game changer." Now, due to their relative cheaper price to produce, per unit, if 155mm shells could do, say, 150 to 300 miles... then, YES.... it'd be a LITTLE GAME CHANGER for 155mm technologies.
It‘s only a threefold increase in the range of the weapon category responsible for the majority of casualties.
It could be truth that Rheinmetall deliver such kind of shells,but our timid and procrastinating chancellor Scholz wonˋt deliver this .
Troll
...so ein dummes Geschwätz! Ja, die Taurus Entscheidung ist falsch - aber Deutschland ist mit weitem, weitem Abstand zu allen anderen der zweitgrößte Unterstützer der Ukraine nach den USA - auch was Waffenlieferungen angeht....(P.S. die Lieferung von Vulcano und anderer weitreichender Munition ist der Ukraine ganz offiziell zugesagt - die bekommen das sogar vor der eigenen Bundeswehr, genau so wie bei IRIS-T, wo auch Lieferungen an die Ukraine umgeleitet wurden, bevor die Bundeswehr beliefert wird...)
Scholz doesn't want to deliver high profile or "strategic"weapons, that could hit Moskow, but Germany already delivered Vulcano and Smart, abeit in small numbers.
gamechanger, thats nonsense
I bet your entire life is nonsense...
Barrelled artillery rounds that travel 100 km are a game changer. If they could be used with existing systems. That's about twice the reach of the systems the militaries is having now! Twice the range!!!
@@gluteusmaximus1657 Standard artillery piece...
Yes, those shells are for standart 155mm artillery pieces.
is it dysfunctional socialization or low intelligence that makes you try to insult me because i am not your opinion? or even both?
The worst thing was the delay of delivery of arms and ammo caused by the republicans, playing a political game on the cost of lives of Ukraine soldiers🤮
Democrats spend massive pork on welfare. This vastly reduces spending for military assistance.
Another game changer....🤣🤣🤣