I'm reading Rolands Socialism with Chinese Characteristics right now, my first book on socialism! Thank you for the excellent discussion on religion, this was a welcome supplement for further thought. Looking forward to Rolands return for more discussion on his current works, cheers guys!
Great program, her book on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, it was exhibited on this channel, I bought it and for a long time I have been waiting for this moment, I realized that Carlos was excited to have Professor Boer in the chaner, he is always talking about his jobs and it turns out that now he is interviewing him,Thanks guys, let's hope it happens again.
I think the primary problem for Christians is the issue of primary authority. There's no issue reconciling Christianity with socialist politics, goals and methods - scripture is full of class consciousness and condemnation of class society, class oppression and exploitation, and wholesale redistribution of wealth is commanded and common ownership modelled in the life of Jesus and the Disciples and the first church as the immediate consequence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. The problem is the idea, or the requirement as it may be from Marxist-Leninists, that scripture and theology be subordinated to the Marx-Engels Werke or to Dialectical-Materialism as the overarching principle and way of interpreting the world and what ultimate loyalty must be placed in. It's hard to be satisfied with a project which is denuded of spirituality and relationship to the Creator and reduced only to the aspects of Christian teaching having to do with the terms of economic life and conditions. The privatisation of faith is part of bourgeois ideology and one of the distortions and minimisations of Christianity which was imposed by the bourgeois revolution, as a requirement to allow bourgeois to dispense entirely with moral and spiritual considerations in their pursuit of profits and in their running of society, excluding "religion" from politics. That privatisation of faith and the alienation of man from his spiritual nature and from God is part of the alienations by capital which need to be overthrown, which can only be solved by revolution, but a revolution which insists upon exactly those alienations cannot do so, and thus cannot be completed, cannot solve all humanities' needs, and so perhaps cannot overthrow capital entirely or at all. The privatisation of faith nurtures individualism and the concepts of private enterprise and privatisation of other collective principles and public goods, it doesn't just nurture secularisation. Without the love of God, the love of neighbour which is part of everyone's visions of utopia - everyone wants to be loved and in loving relationships with everyone around them, ideally - is left out of the horizon of what socialism and revolution aspire to deliver. Material justice is urgently necessary, but without love people will still be lonely and unhappy, and the collective spirit will be weak. The provision of material necessities is part of love, but if depersonalised, then also more or less alienated. So that's some things that have to taken into consideration with trying to build Christian-Marxist unity, which I think is necessary as well as natural, especially in terms of a Socialism With American Characteristics.
What I see as the problem here is that since various religions make various claims about a super-ordinary aspect of existence, and since western culture has been more or less pluralistic for more than a century at least, the de-privatisation of any one religion (and I say this as a religious person) is bound to lead to an unnecessary conflict. Unnecessary, in that it is bringing into concrete political economic matters what in the end are questions of faith and spirituality. I think as Roland has said, the reason China has had an easier time reconciling popular religions is that Chinese civilization achieved a naturalisation of divinity much earlier than Europe and it's traditional theology has been heavily divine principle rather than personality based. I think a sober state secularism is both realistic and necessary for a western republican communism to avoid sectarianism and just another form of identity politics. State secularism, doesn't mean atheism, but rather a recognition of pluralism.
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I'm reading Rolands Socialism with Chinese Characteristics right now, my first book on socialism! Thank you for the excellent discussion on religion, this was a welcome supplement for further thought. Looking forward to Rolands return for more discussion on his current works, cheers guys!
That’s an incredibly informative book
Superb! I really like Boer’s scholarship, so I’m glad to see him featured here!
Great guest, thank you guys for the effort to educate every day.
luv' boer
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Great program, her book on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, it was exhibited on this channel, I bought it and for a long time I have been waiting for this moment, I realized that Carlos was excited to have Professor Boer in the chaner, he is always talking about his jobs and it turns out that now he is interviewing him,Thanks guys, let's hope it happens again.
Great, really great, discussion. Was looking forward to it. Didn't disappoint. Excellent work guys
I think the primary problem for Christians is the issue of primary authority. There's no issue reconciling Christianity with socialist politics, goals and methods - scripture is full of class consciousness and condemnation of class society, class oppression and exploitation, and wholesale redistribution of wealth is commanded and common ownership modelled in the life of Jesus and the Disciples and the first church as the immediate consequence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. The problem is the idea, or the requirement as it may be from Marxist-Leninists, that scripture and theology be subordinated to the Marx-Engels Werke or to Dialectical-Materialism as the overarching principle and way of interpreting the world and what ultimate loyalty must be placed in. It's hard to be satisfied with a project which is denuded of spirituality and relationship to the Creator and reduced only to the aspects of Christian teaching having to do with the terms of economic life and conditions. The privatisation of faith is part of bourgeois ideology and one of the distortions and minimisations of Christianity which was imposed by the bourgeois revolution, as a requirement to allow bourgeois to dispense entirely with moral and spiritual considerations in their pursuit of profits and in their running of society, excluding "religion" from politics. That privatisation of faith and the alienation of man from his spiritual nature and from God is part of the alienations by capital which need to be overthrown, which can only be solved by revolution, but a revolution which insists upon exactly those alienations cannot do so, and thus cannot be completed, cannot solve all humanities' needs, and so perhaps cannot overthrow capital entirely or at all. The privatisation of faith nurtures individualism and the concepts of private enterprise and privatisation of other collective principles and public goods, it doesn't just nurture secularisation. Without the love of God, the love of neighbour which is part of everyone's visions of utopia - everyone wants to be loved and in loving relationships with everyone around them, ideally - is left out of the horizon of what socialism and revolution aspire to deliver. Material justice is urgently necessary, but without love people will still be lonely and unhappy, and the collective spirit will be weak. The provision of material necessities is part of love, but if depersonalised, then also more or less alienated.
So that's some things that have to taken into consideration with trying to build Christian-Marxist unity, which I think is necessary as well as natural, especially in terms of a Socialism With American Characteristics.
What I see as the problem here is that since various religions make various claims about a super-ordinary aspect of existence, and since western culture has been more or less pluralistic for more than a century at least, the de-privatisation of any one religion (and I say this as a religious person) is bound to lead to an unnecessary conflict. Unnecessary, in that it is bringing into concrete political economic matters what in the end are questions of faith and spirituality. I think as Roland has said, the reason China has had an easier time reconciling popular religions is that Chinese civilization achieved a naturalisation of divinity much earlier than Europe and it's traditional theology has been heavily divine principle rather than personality based. I think a sober state secularism is both realistic and necessary for a western republican communism to avoid sectarianism and just another form of identity politics. State secularism, doesn't mean atheism, but rather a recognition of pluralism.
Mumbling and his audio is not great, but thank you! Great job!
Trying to listen to it at the gym, couldn’t hear a word.