Tottenham to Highgate along the lost River Moselle (4K)
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In this video we pick up the trail of North London's lost River Moselle at Bruce Castle Tottenham and follow its course through Lordship Recreation Ground, through the Noel Park Estate to Wood Green. From here we cross the New River into Hornsey and Priory Park then across Crouch End Open Spaces to Queen's Wood Highgate where the Moselle rises.
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The sweet factory in Mayes Road Wood Green was "Barratts" - the smell from which is a vivid memory from my Wood Green '60s childhood
My grandfather worked for the Caxton Chocolate Company in Wood Green for many years before his retirement. I believe he was an engineer who maintained the machines that produced the chocolates. Hence the Caxton Road name. I always remember the box of various chocolate goodies that he received every year at Christmas as a thank you from the company - even in his retirement.
Thanks for your truly wonderful videos. They are an absolute delight. I particularly like the sheer joy and enthusiasm that you bring to the screen. Long may you continue!
My Wife thinks it's a bit odd me watching a bloke filming himself going on a walk. However having watched this one with me , not only did she enjoy it , she said " What a lovely man " so there you go John another convert to your fabulous channel...
It's the best part of my Sunday to end the day with another fab video from you John. Didn't disappoint!
Hornsey does have a lot of character. It’s a homey area and the light was fantastic this day.
Hi John - great video. I was born in Crouch End so still visit a lot the areas you show in Hornsey particularly Middle Lane, Priory Park and Crouch End Playing Fields. I have seen the course of a stream through Queens Wood which runs down to a brick dam at the end of the alley way that leads to Wood Vale. If you cross over Wood Vale and go into the Playing Fields and take a hard right you can see the stream that skirts the back of the Wood Vale houses. It then tends to curve round to take an easterly direction before going into a culvert. I remember in the late 60's kids swinging across the stream on a dangling rope from a tree near this culvert when the stream was open. Nearly summer so I will go up to Highgate Woods via Queens Wood to watch the cricket on the green and have a nice lunch in the cafe. Now to watch Part 1!!
I used to live on Broadwater Road in the 70s and went to Somerset School on Lordship Lane.The school backed onto Broadwater Farm estate on one side and the recreation ground [the Big Rec we called it]on another side. Every day during lunch time and after school we would do the jumps,jumping from one side of the Moselle to the other,or the Moee as we called it then,hoping to see someone fall in.Good days and watching this brought it all back to me,keep up the good work.
I was born in Hornsey in 1949, went everywhere around the area as a child / teenager, never saw the Moselle above ground anywhere, the New river in those days was crystal clear with streaming weed and full of fish, and the whole place had a feel of a village.
The factory was Barratts sweet factory, John. Makers of numerous sweets, the Sherbert Fountain being one of the most famous.
I must say with delight that I loved all those said sweeties
brilliant many thanks
The blend of the sweet factory aroma and some smells from the water treatment works were always a "joy"when I used to walk to Wood Green from Hornsey.
thank ou so much John your time and effort is always appreciated. Bob
As I often say in the comments, the joy of a river walk is seeing places that I would not ordinarily walk through. Thanks once again.
In Hornsey Park Rd, N8, near where you walked John, is a (fairly new) pocket park which lies on top of the Moselle culvert. It includes an extensive water feature referencing the Moselle, and a new artwork called ‘Course & Flow’ by artist Rachael Champion. It's a 3D representation in stone of the course of the river. If you're tall enough, you can just about look over the wooden fence nearby and there is a glimpse of the Moselle as it emerges from its culvert under the railway and the New River. Well worth a visit if you're in the area..
Very interesting walk. Back in the late 60's, I went to St David's School (now St Mary's) in Rectory Gardens. Outside of the school hall, there was a long corridor where we had to queue up for lunch. At one place in the corridor, the floor tiles were always coming loose. We were told it was caused by the Moselle River running directly under the school.
So enjoyed this 2nd walk.Had an aunt live in Moselle Ave. Gosh Wood Green has certainly changed since 1960s !!!Wonderful John, thank you 😊
Just to say John I lived in Coburg Road for the first six years of my life right beside the railway used to fall asleep to the sounds of coal trucks being shunted ,so thanks so much , had an aunty that lived in Knole Park estate,and I remember Wood Green when the Coop was on the site of the shopping centre and the bus garage was a trolley bus garage and the huge council offices complex didn't exist , I think there was a library on that site , there was also a railway that went across the road to Palace Gates station from Seven Sisters and there was a sweet factory and a Gas Works we used to sledge down the Alexandra Palace hill on metal trays in the winter , there was also a Horse racing track very popular , I used to go to Lordship Lane recreation to ride my bike as a kid ,many thanks John , made my day ❤️🌈☮️☯️☸️🇺🇦
And where that alley is used to be where the now long gone railway bridge crossed Wood Green High Road.
Lovely you mention Sean Hughes. Ive been rewatching Sean’s Show a lot in recent years as both series are on the Channel 4 archive. There’s some amazing cameos on there as well including Robert Smith, who was good friends with Sean I think and also Gareth Southgate along with the whole Crystal Palace squad who Gareth played for at the time, and who are Sean’s team obviously. It’s poignant you end the walk at Highgate as there is actually a bench in the woods there that bears a commemorative plaque and dedication to Sean who used to sit there often. Sean’s writing & poetry is also brilliant and well worth a read.
Thanks John for this video. Apart from Moselle Avenue and Gladstone Avenue (the Prime Minister at the time) the roads in the Noel Park Estate were named after people associated with the company that built the estate. The visible part of the river in Lordship Recreation Ground is actually a rerouted section with original course by the duck pond and can still be seen. The whole area between Mayes Road and Western Avenue was the Barrett's Sweet Factory. The main office in Mayes Road used to have packets in the windows of all the different brands they used to make there. In the 60s there was a childrens paddling pool in Queens Wood about where the frog pond is now.
Thanks for that info Kenneth
Salisbury and Darwin Roads are also named after prominent Victorians
My dad's mum and dad lived in 132 Gladstone Avenue and I had a great aunt and uncle who lived in 18 Farrant Avenue also in Noel.Park.
Thanks John, Keep Safe. see you next Sunday.
Hi, John. Great to see that we are in sync with our enthusiasm for Wood Lane and that area general. I am familiar with this part of London from when I walked the entire London Underground 2018/19. Enjoyed it so much that I visited it again, a few months ago, just to soak up the atmosphere !
You mean Wood Green not Lane?
Finally I can face the coming week. A JR video, the best part of any week
Great walk and good of you to give the chap a shout out 🤩
Great walk. Liked the Sean Hughes reference. Sat next to him at a Crystal Palace match once. Nice guy. Very much missed.
The music in the videos gives me chance to reflect on london Thankyou🥰 so much nonsense on youtube this is the best channel ever
what a beautiful walk john
There is a Lordship Lane in Dulwich as well. A lovey walk out and great to see the sun again! 🌞
I used to get stopped a lot and asked if I was Sean Hughes.
Loved your ramble along the rivers of London very interesting 🧐
Stephen King's "Crouch End" is a favorite of mine. You really brought it to life...or death....as it were....for me. Thanks John.
I love these lost river walks set against the backdrop of the busy streets, where history and modern day meet. And never worry about mentioning your book, This Other London. I cherish my signed copy! Another top walk, John. Thank you
Thanks Ali
Thanks for splitting the Moselle walk into 2 parts. So enjoyable. You're good company.
You've walked right past my house - walked in Priory Park this afternoon
Haringey is such a fantastic borough.
Lovely...👍.
Thanks John for another wonderful video. Always interesting and beautifully filmed. Thank you for allowing me to walk with you vicariously. Look forward to your next video. Have a great week
cheers Humble
Fascinating to see how following a hidden river takes you through such interesting and varied landscapes. Wonderful video. Thank you.
Greatly enjoyed, John.
Thank you for mentioning Mr Farrant . Xxx sadly missed xxx
Another excellent Lost Rivers of London walk, an absolute Sunday delight, many thanks for another great walk, take care
An excellent end to the journey of the Moselle … lovely film 👍
Only just got round to watching this walk. And what a treat it was I wonder how many buried and lost rivers we walk over and don’t even realise what’s beneath us?
All the best John 👍🏻
John - one thing to note which you sadly missed on the walk. On the junction of Moselle Avenue N22 and Vincent Road N22 is an old bridge of where the Moselle crossed when it was above ground. It was a shame you didn’t get that in the video.
Other than that - brilliant
Are you sure? Just looked on Google Street View and could see no sign of it?
I've never seen a bridge, lived nearby for years.
Yeah it’s there. Just walk up Vincent Road a little near the junction of Moselle and you will see it. Only a small bridge
@@liamdavis2556 Strange. Just looked again. No sign of it.
The strange case of the disappearing bridge...
Hugely enjoyable. I too love this part of London. Look forward to the next one! 👍
That helped me escape for an half hour great stuff.
The poetry of crumpled curled peg board that’s Zen.
Another great video John ! thankyou very much .
Excellent like always. Thanks. I am reading your book 📕 very interesting 👏👏👍
It’s so very peaceful to walk with you in London in spring. Thank you.
Yet again ... the boy delivered. Very high standard met. Thanks john.
My pleasure Paul - thanks
Yes, Jeremy ! So many Wood This and Wood That's....thanks for correcting my error.
Your lost river walks are so amazing!
both videos John....its been a great delight.....looking forward to the Effra video, I lived on Effra road Wimbledon for a short time..represented my old school there at Cricket..
Thank you, many memories!
the river does indeed run under the road where the "white van" was, a 2metre brick wall with parapet is the clue, but goes up adjacent to the park under the concrete block covers. In the park at the junction with Broadwater Farm Estate is where the river gushes underground. A lot more water here than is channeled through the cemetery, so it is my understanding that part of the flow is diverted under Bruce Grove. I could be wrong of course but a few of the metal covers along the pavement show the NR logo. (NR standing for New River i believe). Also should you go into the cemetery and see where the river comes in, you will notice that another tributary joins which runs alongside the houses by the lake goes under the A10 and under Rivulet road under White hart Lane and starts just behind the petrol station area. All of which is culverted so is not visible.
Thanks again John. These walks are the high light of my week.
Was waiting all day for this 🎉🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳
Loving the content John 😊
Thanks!!
Likewise🎉🎉
Lovely second part to the Moselle walk. Well worth the wait. Thanks John.
I almost missed your passing reference to Ferme Park Road, which was my first post-marriage abodeback in 1981. A really grim fla,t right by a bus stop where those on the top deck could see right into our living room window. Not the worst place I lived in London (South Lambeth Road has that honour) but sufficiently nostialgic for me to remember it with some fondness. I too was a fan of Sean Hughes and his absurdist/chaotic comedy. Sadly missed.
You're also not far from Fortis Green Road, which back in the 70s was where Ray Davies of the Kinks lived. (he may still be there, for all I know)
I'm really loving these lost river walks.
The Sean of the Dead House is actually on the corner of Nelson Road and Weston Park. The little shop he goes into is just across the street on Weston Park. But Simon Pegg did used to drink (and play pool) in the Hornsey Tavern on the High Street, and recruited a bunch of the regulars there to be zombies.
Thanks for sharing that Jim
I recreated the scene from the film where Sean walks to the Corner Shop - it’s in a video called London’s Northern Heights
Marvellous & revelatory as per. Incidentally, Hornsey was also the birthplace of improviser, composer and Henry Cow alumnus, Lindsay Cooper.
Thank you so much for your wonderful walks & positivity 🌻🌻
Radagast, would be my bet, great video as usual John, love watching these, been a life saver over lockdown, please keep them coming :)
absolutely spot on!
@@JohnRogersWalks That was instantly my guess too. Lovely walk, thank you, taking me to places just off the edge of my old stamping ground. Worth a wander on its own, the old LCC Tower Gardens Estate - if you thought Noel Park was pretty, the streets within the Roundway and its own little park has a magic all of its own on a summer evening. An amazing contrast with Broadwater Farm. All the same people, but housed in a very different way. Kids still play out in the streets there. If you can't walk it, worth a Google walk at least.
What a great journey with you. Memories, some good and some not so good but your gentle ways always bring me enjoyment. Thank you
You make me feel as if I’m there . Thank you
New River path traces one of my family line journeys.
From Ware into Tottenham shoemakers
Thanks John, great mystical river walk - Cheers mate...
Cheers Ralph
Hope you had a nice cup of tea in the cafe John. Had a pit stop walking the Capital Ring once, lovely!
Fabulous, loved the walk. What a stellar day
I remember years ago in the 70s a friend of the family lived in Morley Ave The houses are beautiful. I thought I imagined these houses. Thank you for a lovely walk.
Really nice walk, I lived in Crouch end in the late 70s although my girlfriend I lived with always referred to us as living in Muswell hill !
Nevertheless I loved going around Hornsey and it always felt special as you said although I cannot put words to it just like it’s own unique place,
Thank you for refreshing some happy thoughts from the days of flared trousers and tins of hofmeister larger
Brilliant. Thank you for coming back to finish the whole route of the Moselle.
Stunning walk , parts 1&2 thank you so much for inclueding the Elmhurst at the start, this part of London has brought the memeries flooding back.
Your video brought back many happy memories I mean't to say.
Wood Green, Hornsey, Muswell Hill, Highgate and Crouch End are your favourite places to walk and so do I.
Great series of videos.. encourages me to look with new eyes at my own city (Edinburgh) !
I had an Uncle from Tottenham, who was always talking about Bruce Grove and Lordship Lane for some reason. Would be interested to know the history of that Bruce Castle though. Interesting looking building.
Once again, just wonderful 🍀
RIP to Sean Hughes! Great shout out.
Blimey, I was born in Chandos Road, and Broadwater Farm and Lordship Park was part of my playground.
Thank you. Nothing to add but very enjoyable and informative. Helps me appreciate the environment around me. Cheers
15.58 - that estate is called New River Village, built 2004-08 by St James property developers, on land that was formerly a part of the Thames Water water treatment plant you feature earlier in the video. hth :)
Some years ago whilst working on the foundation of our house at 26 Stanhope Road N6 the ground fell away and about 5 feet beneath the surface flowed a Brook, the most interesting thing was that on one side or river bank were imprints of animal hoofs!
It's true and is probably still flowing today
Maybe the Cholmeley Brook, one of the origin streams of the Moselle? The book '"Haringey's Hidden Streams Revealed" mentions it...
At the bottom of Stanhope Rd you can hear water flowing underneath it. I always though it was just a sewer but maybe it's that brook!
Does anyone remember a pub called The Flowerpot up that way? It had a massive flowerpot sculpture on the outside wall. I remember it from the 70s as a little kid.
The Flowerpot was on St Ann's Road, at the Stamford Hill end close to St Ignatius RC church. So quite a way from this walk - but a terrific venue back in the day
@@oldgreyrocket5523 cheers mate. I’m remembering stuff from being three or four years old, so apologies for being out a bit.
Oh! Do you have a book out, called this other london? I had no idea, you've never mentioned it!🤣🤣🤣
Great walk!
Thanks John for another Great Walk, brought back lots of memories of the area.
Very enjoyable, I love the lure of the rivers. On your recommendation I'm starting Rivers of London series by BA.
Brilliant John, love the lost river walks.
Love a river walk - have a great week John - thanks so much for the video
I have been to the Moselle in Germany, it was beautiful, the food was great and the history interesting. Yes, we went wine tasting too.
I walked along Lordship Lane (40 years ago) and had no idea about the river.
Fantastic watch always look forward to Sunday evenings new adventure !
Hi john I love your videos they are so great thank you please keeping on posting them
I reckon John's favourite wizard is Radagast the Brown... great walk as always, John. I'm going to start walking around where I live. Probably won't make any videos, but you never know!
Spot on Martin
Another fantastic walk John. This one is particularly close to me, my late father was always talking about the Moselle. Growing up in Hornsey I have only recently begun to appreciate (thanks to following your work) how the river was intertwined with my early life At 22.40 for example the river runs below the dip of the alley and I crossed this almost every day without knowing why there was an odd dip that flooded when it rained.
Really enjoyed this, great film John, I used to live on Church Lane, Hornsey in mid 80s when attending Middlesex Poly, loved that area too
Splendid video.
The small group of old buildings just before Wood Green High Road were mainly associated with the station (now gone) except for the building featured which was apparently a poultry store.
Barratts sweet factory building (1922) was featured, it closed in the eighties, The Chocolate Factory is a reference to the Caxton Chocolate factory, this was predominantly a catering chocolate for use in cakes etc.
The Moselle was visible at the bottom of Cross Lane (behind the Great Northern Railway pub) in the eighties, there was open land there and an artist used to live and work in a detached water board building. This has all been covered and built over now.
The Hornsey 'lego' estate featured was built on Thames Water land, the pumping station building is still there (now a restaurant) as is the small detached comms office near the top of Turnpike Lane.
Thank you so much for this video, you really got the area on an amazing day! When I worked for Haringey council in the 1990's, it always seemed grey, and the streets were known for muggings and crime. This video has reminded me that Haringey is an area which also has tremendous beauty..thanks again!
Things have changed.
this is very near towards me. Fantastic walking video, keep up the amazing work john.
The Chocolate Factory was the home of Barratt & Co, although when I new it was full of space to hire for music/art etc. Shared a studio for one of my Black Metal bands their between 04' - '07. Also at the time Mountview Academy of Theatre Arts was at the main chocolate factory until it moved, we got some great cheap student vocalists from there.
The Chocolate Factory was home of Caxton Chocolate Co. Barratts factory adjoined it but was separate,,,
@@jeremybuck1818 ah, hence the choc factory 1, 2 & 3.
Hey John. I was just thinking about popping out, then your alert came up. I think I’ll watch this first.
Lovely interesting walk John. I walked that way over the past lockdowns. Hornsey is an interesting place for sure... lovely old houses. The new river stretch you passed, I like too and the large housing blocks built in that area have really expanded, more being built I believe... It's fascinating to think of those past riverways, I wish I could go back in time to see what they were really like.
Curiously, there is La Moselle river in France too ! :) It takes its source from les Voges Mountains.
once again you give us a cracking informative film.thanks.
These are great videos John, the lost rivers are just fascinating. Cheers buddy
Great walk - love seeing the Spring there - still very wintery here in Wisconsin.