Setting aside the great infrastructure for a moment, the production value of this PSA was excellent! It perfectly explained the "what", "why", and "how" in a clear engaging way. This video should serve as a model for other cities trying to implement safe bike infrastructure!
I appreciate that you highlighted left turns are still allowed to be handled from the left lane. I've had cars get upset because I merged into traffic to use the left turn lane, or turned left but merged back into the bike lane. We are still vehicles. Just because there are these new lanes doesn't mean cars stop sharing the road.
They're coming, just slowly. In the PNW, Bellevue and Seattle just added their first protected intersections. Those are just the two that I'm aware of, but I know there are more being added sporadically throughout US cities.
So, things are actually starting to change even in Jason Slaughter's cherished "fake London"! "Not just bikes" will no doubt rush to release some reaction, I guess... 😊
he's probably mentioned these types of intersections in a hundred different videos already. The fact that some are finally appearing in London is a good thing but not something for him to make a whole video about.
It would be awesome if more US cities adopted this. A full, 4-sided protected pedestrian and cycling intersection. Even at major lighted crossings, most are just 3-sided crosswalks with slip lanes in all directions. The part where cyclists can CHOSE whether to use bicycle crossings or merge with traffic for a left turn is the part most people don't understand.
Tbh, a cyclist should never have to merge with traffic in a busy street. There should be separate bicycle lights at big intersections that give cyclists a separate phase. Then they can cross diagonally without danger.
My only quip about these, is the concrete islands should have a post to hit the crosswalk button. Aside from that the designs are great and the video is lovely.
I have lived and cycled in London for almost 50 years. I do not like these new intersections. They are visually confusing and don't work for riding as a vehicle not a pedestrian. Particularly at Ridout and Commissioners. If I am riding north wanting to turn right and the light is green, I will need to almost stop before turning. Marking the bike lanes with green lines through the intersection is much clearer. Without slowing the pace of cars through the intersection, I do not think they will have the desired effect I also think the recent separation of the bike lanes on Cheapside is a bad idea. The cars were going slower before they were put in place. Now that the cars can ignore the bikes they are going faster again. I applaud the effort to get more people riding bikes and make it safer. But new things should be tested and proven before used elsewhere. There may be some situations that are more suitable and some that are not. Like using roundabouts in neighbourhoods before main intersections.
I agree. I've been a cyclist for about as long as you. Sometimes, it seems these bike lanes create more harm than good. 1) False sense of security for cyclists. 2) Motorists become confused (trust me, that happened to me recently when I was on my bike). 3) Just a plain, ugly confusing mess that works for no one. Did you know the Bicycle Signal light at Dundas and Ridout allows cars to turn left from the opposite direction? I've been almost hit more than once thinking I had clear right of way. Just. Plain. Stupid. I've ridden around downtown T.O. before there were any bike lanes and survived. Somehow, I have more difficulty dealing with bike lanes and these confusing intersections than I do just dealing with plain old traffic!
@@MrPage62 I cycle up Riidout to Dundas on my way to work. To get to Riverside W, I take the bike lane the wrong way on the west side from King to Dundas then turn left down the hill past the Gallery the wrong way to the bridge and Wharncliffe Rd. This avoids two awkward interactions with traffic. Not strictly according to the rules but much easier.
I'm an avid cyclist. Let's stop building all these ridiculous concrete barricades and bumpers and plastic "slappers" and hectares of green paint. None of it is effective, and it's ugly. I actually prefer to ride in traffic because I'm aware and don't have a false sense of security. Sorry, but Fake London is NOT Amsterdam (yes, I've ridden a bicycle there, too). How about spending all these millions on educating kids (and adults) how to ride safely? Do you remember Bike Rodeos? Yes, I got 100% at a Rodeo as a kid, and that taught me how to ride around downtown Toronto without injury. Spend a few bucks on educating motorists, too...
Let's ignore decades of experimentation and collision statistics from a country that is known worldwide for developing the safest cycling infrastructure, where everybody and their mother feels comfortable running errands on bicycles. Instead, let's follow some guy's gut feelings about what's adequate and call it a day. Problem solved!
Thank you, London Ontario, for slowly making an effort in making the city less and less car centric. It will have great benefits in the long run.
Holy shit they adopted the Dutch intersection in North America. Holy mary jesus it's a miracle.
Sad thing it's not even up to dutch standards, but it's nice to see an effort being made
It should be mandatory that every person with a drivers license must watch at least a couple dozen of these videos 😂
That's what is done in many European countries.
We can do that. We just haven't because people don't care to fix our driver education and tests.
Setting aside the great infrastructure for a moment, the production value of this PSA was excellent! It perfectly explained the "what", "why", and "how" in a clear engaging way. This video should serve as a model for other cities trying to implement safe bike infrastructure!
I definitely perform a "Dutch Left" at many intersections, but I'm glad to see it formalized with the protected intersections.
We need these all over North America.
I appreciate that you highlighted left turns are still allowed to be handled from the left lane. I've had cars get upset because I merged into traffic to use the left turn lane, or turned left but merged back into the bike lane. We are still vehicles. Just because there are these new lanes doesn't mean cars stop sharing the road.
Finally someone heard Not Just Bikes!! I will gladly move there if they actually implement that!! 😭😭😭🙏🙏 .
I wish these were popular in the US. Many of our streets don't even have sidewalks
They're coming, just slowly. In the PNW, Bellevue and Seattle just added their first protected intersections. Those are just the two that I'm aware of, but I know there are more being added sporadically throughout US cities.
@@LimitedWard I can think of one near me in Berkeley. Plus some other intersections that have other calming measures, like bulbouts.
come to canada
So, things are actually starting to change even in Jason Slaughter's cherished "fake London"! "Not just bikes" will no doubt rush to release some reaction, I guess... 😊
He probably wont release anything and just continue to complain
@@JustinJamesJeep 😂
Someone get NJB on this
This video: "This bike infrastructure in London..."
NJB: "I'll allow it."
he's probably mentioned these types of intersections in a hundred different videos already. The fact that some are finally appearing in London is a good thing but not something for him to make a whole video about.
We have roundabouts too!
Call us fake all you want. It's just a name...
It would be awesome if more US cities adopted this. A full, 4-sided protected pedestrian and cycling intersection. Even at major lighted crossings, most are just 3-sided crosswalks with slip lanes in all directions.
The part where cyclists can CHOSE whether to use bicycle crossings or merge with traffic for a left turn is the part most people don't understand.
Tbh, a cyclist should never have to merge with traffic in a busy street. There should be separate bicycle lights at big intersections that give cyclists a separate phase. Then they can cross diagonally without danger.
My only quip about these, is the concrete islands should have a post to hit the crosswalk button. Aside from that the designs are great and the video is lovely.
Beg buttons are so annoying though
Now to move the traffic lights to the nearside of the intersection.
Right on reds should no longer be the default.
no way! it makes the city more mixed now instead of car centric
Fake London is improving!
Nice video!
This is a huge leap forward. I love it! 1 step to progress.
Those small curbs must be enjoyable for lory drivers
I wonder what not just bikes thinks about this
that's a street from the old Crash videos WOW
Oh the famed "Fake London" @notjustbikes
Not just bikes made them do this
THIS IN Canada .. Whaat
I can’t wait for the conspiracy theorists to pop up in here! I wish I could get tagged whenever a new comment pops up
Yep! This is no doubt some conspiracy from the leftist Deep State😉
I have lived and cycled in London for almost 50 years. I do not like these new intersections. They are visually confusing and don't work for riding as a vehicle not a pedestrian. Particularly at Ridout and Commissioners. If I am riding north wanting to turn right and the light is green, I will need to almost stop before turning. Marking the bike lanes with green lines through the intersection is much clearer. Without slowing the pace of cars through the intersection, I do not think they will have the desired effect
I also think the recent separation of the bike lanes on Cheapside is a bad idea. The cars were going slower before they were put in place. Now that the cars can ignore the bikes they are going faster again.
I applaud the effort to get more people riding bikes and make it safer. But new things should be tested and proven before used elsewhere. There may be some situations that are more suitable and some that are not. Like using roundabouts in neighbourhoods before main intersections.
yes i think we should look at the effects first before expanding, but have expansion plans in the works quickly
I agree. I've been a cyclist for about as long as you. Sometimes, it seems these bike lanes create more harm than good. 1) False sense of security for cyclists. 2) Motorists become confused (trust me, that happened to me recently when I was on my bike). 3) Just a plain, ugly confusing mess that works for no one. Did you know the Bicycle Signal light at Dundas and Ridout allows cars to turn left from the opposite direction? I've been almost hit more than once thinking I had clear right of way. Just. Plain. Stupid. I've ridden around downtown T.O. before there were any bike lanes and survived. Somehow, I have more difficulty dealing with bike lanes and these confusing intersections than I do just dealing with plain old traffic!
@@MrPage62 I cycle up Riidout to Dundas on my way to work. To get to Riverside W, I take the bike lane the wrong way on the west side from King to Dundas then turn left down the hill past the Gallery the wrong way to the bridge and Wharncliffe Rd. This avoids two awkward interactions with traffic. Not strictly according to the rules but much easier.
I'm an avid cyclist. Let's stop building all these ridiculous concrete barricades and bumpers and plastic "slappers" and hectares of green paint. None of it is effective, and it's ugly. I actually prefer to ride in traffic because I'm aware and don't have a false sense of security. Sorry, but Fake London is NOT Amsterdam (yes, I've ridden a bicycle there, too). How about spending all these millions on educating kids (and adults) how to ride safely? Do you remember Bike Rodeos? Yes, I got 100% at a Rodeo as a kid, and that taught me how to ride around downtown Toronto without injury. Spend a few bucks on educating motorists, too...
Let's ignore decades of experimentation and collision statistics from a country that is known worldwide for developing the safest cycling infrastructure, where everybody and their mother feels comfortable running errands on bicycles. Instead, let's follow some guy's gut feelings about what's adequate and call it a day. Problem solved!
@notjustbikes