Running both a959b and a979b and have no issues controlling. Definitely not for beginners but anyone with some experience will appreciate the power. Remember you don't have to go flat out all the time. For price and parts availability I love the wltoys. Yes I do have expensive RCs to. I've run Losi and Traxxas for years.
OK - so you obviously don't like the WLToys truck, but what do you expect for $60. I bought mine knowing that I was probably going to have to rebuild it, and I ordered the aluminum upgrade kit, and used about half of the kit, since Flex is better for endurance than rigid. I put the 12mm drive nuts on, and mounted buggy wheels (no foam) but hold shape way better than the stock wheels. The other big thing (not really big, just a little time consuming), I pulled the diffs apart, cleaned out whatever that stuff they call grease , and packed them with Red sticky grease. The diffs are as smooth or smoother than that Dromida looked on your review. One last thing (that I admit not everyone can do)I did, was I had my son print a battery tray that mounts between the shock posts. It does two things. It makes the chassis a little more rigid, and I can put just about any size battery I want in it. I haven't clocked the speed yet, but it runs straight as an arrow, and runs faster than any RC car I own. I probably put at least twenty hours into this mod, but it was a fun build, and I know every nut and bolt on it, and would do it again, probably in less than five hours the next time.
hybrid32494 yes, I have 540 motor. I might be getting more like 15 min but that's alot of speed runs aswell, and fun drifting. I have the a959b tho. It's the buggy, maybe it's the larger tires on yours that draws more from battery, mine came with 7.4 and says 1500mah.. but looks more like the 1100 size. I just looked at my stock battery and yes it says 7.4 1500mah
My experience of the 979b out the box it needs work as you mention the diffs are too tight but it's easily fixed by loosening the screws on the diff gear until it runs free easy
You can pick up a complete metal upgrade kit for the wltoys for $80 to $100 bucks, and i mean COMPLETE metal upgrade. Everything, from chassis to the links, to arms, knuckles, just everything, diffs an all. Just get that, and u have a complete amazing monster. Seriiously. Get the kit, ebay has em, amazon as well
Yes, you're right. Although it has been my experience a full metal upgrade will mostly ruin this RC. It would become significantly heavier and prone to breaking remaining plastic pieces or just twisting the upgraded aluminum. In my opinion some upgrades would be helpful, but not the full kit.
But there wont be any remaining plastic pieces to break :). I have a fully metal upgraded A959 (the buggy version,.. same everything as the truck, just body and wheels) Only plastic is the servo, rx and shell in the end.. I can post the link for the fully metal up.. And weight??? NONE,.. It's Anodized Aluminum and solid steel gears. including chassis optional steel ones, or anodized aluminum. But also.,. Im running a brushless system with the original 390 can sized 2460 platform rather than the 540 size system.,,. which the 540 motor alone adds weight compared to the 390, mand brushless is way lighter in that size. Im currently working on a A979B,. just picked it up last week,. and done hand full of immediate upgrades, but before i go all metal, im gonna swap out my brushless in the A959 and toss in the 540 in it once the motor mount arrives,. and swap the wheels and see how it runs. I'll follow up.
SO I finally got an actually speed meter and soon I will test if the WL TOYS speed claims are true or now. I have a feeling it will be about 80% truth at most. We will see. I would like the aluminum turnbuckles and steering linkage, that seems the most important to start with, what do you think?
LOL, watch again, tell me if you get more commercials, ahaha. But honestly, you're right, i'll reduce it, I overdid it on this one. Thanks for watching anyway!!!!
Have the 4.18 MT and 4.18 Touring Car both brushless!..Very satisfied with speed, control, run time, and durability!..Look'd at the A979-B and saw the same flaws described in your video, although I did like the fact of that 540 motor!..Ended up ordering CHTRAX TETON 1:16 scale 4WD Monster Truck also w/540 motor!..If at all possible could you give a review on this one?..🤔 #LoveYourIndepthness!..😎
hey buddy, thanks for watching!!!. I gotta tell you I really have come to hate the A979-B. Its totally uncontrollable because of the tight diffs, no other brand name RC has such tight diffs. That s the actually reason why it steers so poorly, not to mention the terrible turning radius. Also mind has began glitching and sometime doesn't turn on at all. While the Dromida is still running well, worth the extra money.
yup, thats common if you don't have plastic locking rings on the wheel nuts. Or they could just have been worn over time. You needed new wheel nuts, or thread lock.
lol ok, gotcha. I have personally become familiar with that a few times myself. Especially on larger 1/8 scale buggies with those large aluminum hubs. No plastic threads there.
If you only want the A979B 100% stock and dont care then ignore this Most of these people thinks "oh, its only $60ish, SOLD" and then they put almost $200 into it in upgrades when they could just get a better RC, a 1/10th at that lol. To do a full metal upgrade on banggood, my cart was at $180 not counting the car for each part i felt i would want counting all metal gears, diff case and bulkheads, A-arms shocks, cheap rebrand ESC/brushless motor and some other metal body upgrades and yet i had room for more... If you want small, get a Savage flux XS if you're wanting 65+mph and being a 1/12th or w/e it is stock on 3s. Sure its $324 and instock now but its not much more then what you will do with this A979B if you go all out to get 50-60mph and still wont do what the Savage flux XS can do.
you're on point!! that was a valid observation. Unfortunately they are just extremely tight for such a light car. In a heavier car it would not be as bad as it is here. That's also one reason why the turning radius is terrible in this, since the diffs need to be more open for a turn when the outside tire covers more distance than the inside tires.
You are a liar. I've seen both these trucks on other channels and the WL toys is so fast it's uncontrollable. It is not slow at all. You are also a liar about the run time. Other channels are saying 8 to 10. As far as the rest of your comparison well lets see. Gee why is the $60.00 truck not the same quality as the $160.00 truck. What do you expect? You can spend $25.00 for some tire inserts and some new shocks and you've got a great truck and still have not hit $100.00. There are also complete metal upgrade kits for these. Diff, entire front end, everything. I own a WL Toys 12428 1/12 scale with same motor and I get over 10 min runtime. They are nice trucks FOR THE MONEY! HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU TO SELL THE DROMIDA?
well Im not a lier, and I told it as it truly is. Don't be mislead by all these other positive reviews, its not as great as the marketing makes it look. In reality run time is crap bc a 540 motor drains the 1500 Mahh pack very quickly, ofcourse I don't run it all the way down either. Id never get metal upgrades for a cheap Chinese RC such as this, you will just wind up breaking other elements. You should get one and give it a try. then let me know from your own experience.
Like I said I already own a WL Toys 12428 with the same 540 motor and it's 1/12 scale. larger and heavier and I get at least 10 minutes before low voltage cut off. The 12428 comes with the same battery too. You are trying to compare it to something way above it's price point. You are misrepresenting it's speed, runtime and pricing. The A979-B can be had for between 50.00 to 62.00. YOU may not want to upgrade a "cheap" chinese rc but 100's of people on TH-cam have and almost all are raving about their WL Toys trucks. They are not all sponsored. Real owners. You should check out the 12428 too. You seem like one of those haters that is upset that the Chinese are bringing HUGE competition to the market. Especially hobby shop owners. Too Bad. The Dromida is a nicer truck but not $100.00 nicer. Dromeda also starts with cheap plastic parts and makes you upgrade if you want metal. Fully upgraded WL toys under $300.00. Fully upgraded Dromida almost 500.00. Sure the Dromida is nicer but the WL Toys is a great truck for it's price point.
I have the 12428, that was my first WL toys product. Great chassis for the price. Drivable at least, with good loose diffs. I was merely comparing the scale and chassis layouts. The torque steer and very tight diffs make the a979 undriveable to me. Ofcourse its more obvious on pavement. Im telling you, the dromida handles amazing compared to any WL toys model. You're right, its incomparable only bc it is so much better.
I can tell you my own experience and what you say is bullshit. wltoys is the best choice. run fastest , you got everything in metal upgrades. and is already 540 size motor for easy to changes to brushless set up. sorry pal but you no true.
this is all the most basic IMovie software from apple. It's the same software I use on all my videos. My goal is not to spend time learning Windows based exaggerated Final Cut Pro and instead MAKE NITRO GREAT AGAIN!
hybrid32494 lol I was into this stuff in the 80s and I remember the frog, RC10 ,Hornet etc were considered hobby grade while Nikko, Tyco etc were considered toy grade but Nikko had cars just as good if not better. Guess it depends on what it’s used for, wltoys are great for bashing at a low cost which what the majority of people buy rc cars for
yep, you're right on this again!! I have a full variety or WL TOYS and higher end pro models, they are for different purposes ofcourse. For me the best thing about hobby grade RCs is they retain value, while the no-brand and toy grades do not. They are a SUNK cost right away. I like the buying and selling aspects of these hobby grade cars too. For me it's an investment in FUN, LOL>
hybrid32494 Haha, that’s an fun way to make a buck I’m getting ready to sell my Tamayas, I bought some retro kits a few years back and built them, building was more fun than driving lol
good luck on your sales, those models do pretty well on eBay usually, if in good shape. The tamiyas are in my opinion only for building, not really modern tech for todays bashing. I have a lunch box that I built too, btw. It's fun for what it is, but I'll prob always keep it on a shelf.
I don't see why not, as long as its a 540 motor can it should work fine. If you mean the original a979-A without the standard 540 motor then chances are you would need a different motor mount.
hey, yes thats true. Although since I purchased the dromida on a massive sale for 90 bucks about, and the WL Toys was around 75, it's pretty close. Otherwise you are right, the price on a non sale dromida is twice the WL toys.
I own both models and I can say bashing wise the dromida holds up better I've busted way more pieces on the wltoys then the dromida although they both offer plenty of aftermarket parts although I feel the wltoys aftermarket parts could be beefed up a little more and it would make a pretty damn good truck but the wltoys is too fast for its own good for the quality of the parts that it's built on
I swapped my wltoys to a 2050 KV brushless on 3s and the front tires don't stay on the ground but also had to change every single link on the truck over to aluminum but it doesn't take jump very well but it's pretty badass for Speed runs or just cranking wheeleez across the parking lot
yes, I also agree on this completely. Getting these low quality Chinese made aftermarket aluminum parts for the WLtoys is mostly pointless, they are brittle and flexible and really just for looks. Plus they seem cheap, but in reality compared to the cheap sell price of the whole RTR model they are to that cheap overall.
let me ask you this, How do you get it to steer correctly. Mine has too much front wheel slop, almost always its not controllable at all, the steering links seem fine and nothing is misaligned.
Stop it bro 979.b is king of 1.18 scales can get real witnesses my 979 beast and the 959beast is killing all 118 scale brushless or not just on 2s i run mines on 3s in get 71 mph 540
I don't hate the wl toys a979b, mine is just a malfunctioning turd. I am gonna upgrade to a normal esc and rx system and keep the stock 540 motor, then we will see. also the steering is still crap, does the steering radius not bother you???
I don't think you can justifiably call me a liar. In reality im sure you can get 10-15 min run time based on your driving and how much you discharge the battery. I don't actually go all the way down until the battery hits lipo-cutoff, so I was on the safe side, more or less.
Running both a959b and a979b and have no issues controlling. Definitely not for beginners but anyone with some experience will appreciate the power. Remember you don't have to go flat out all the time. For price and parts availability I love the wltoys. Yes I do have expensive RCs to. I've run Losi and Traxxas for years.
OK - so you obviously don't like the WLToys truck, but what do you expect for $60.
I bought mine knowing that I was probably going to have to rebuild it, and I ordered the aluminum upgrade kit, and used about half of the kit, since Flex is better for endurance than rigid. I put the 12mm drive nuts on, and mounted buggy wheels (no foam) but hold shape way better than the stock wheels. The other big thing (not really big, just a little time consuming), I pulled the diffs apart, cleaned out whatever that stuff they call grease , and packed them with Red sticky grease. The diffs are as smooth or smoother than that Dromida looked on your review. One last thing (that I admit not everyone can do)I did, was I had my son print a battery tray that mounts between the shock posts. It does two things. It makes the chassis a little more rigid, and I can put just about any size battery I want in it.
I haven't clocked the speed yet, but it runs straight as an arrow, and runs faster than any RC car I own. I probably put at least twenty hours into this mod, but it was a fun build, and I know every nut and bolt on it, and would do it again, probably in less than five hours the next time.
I get about 20 min drive time with my a959b. And there are more parts support for it as well on Amazon
thats ore than I do, WOW. Cool, are you sure you are running the 540 motor?
hybrid32494 yes, I have 540 motor. I might be getting more like 15 min but that's alot of speed runs aswell, and fun drifting. I have the a959b tho. It's the buggy, maybe it's the larger tires on yours that draws more from battery, mine came with 7.4 and says 1500mah.. but looks more like the 1100 size. I just looked at my stock battery and yes it says 7.4 1500mah
My experience of the 979b out the box it needs work as you mention the diffs are too tight but it's easily fixed by loosening the screws on the diff gear until it runs free easy
Is the same chassis? I want to build the dromida in Aluminum but, will be chasis comparable?
You can pick up a complete metal upgrade kit for the wltoys for $80 to $100 bucks, and i mean COMPLETE metal upgrade. Everything, from chassis to the links, to arms, knuckles, just everything, diffs an all. Just get that, and u have a complete amazing monster. Seriiously. Get the kit, ebay has em, amazon as well
Yes, you're right. Although it has been my experience a full metal upgrade will mostly ruin this RC. It would become significantly heavier and prone to breaking remaining plastic pieces or just twisting the upgraded aluminum. In my opinion some upgrades would be helpful, but not the full kit.
But there wont be any remaining plastic pieces to break :). I have a fully metal upgraded A959 (the buggy version,.. same everything as the truck, just body and wheels) Only plastic is the servo, rx and shell in the end.. I can post the link for the fully metal up.. And weight??? NONE,.. It's Anodized Aluminum and solid steel gears. including chassis optional steel ones, or anodized aluminum. But also.,. Im running a brushless system with the original 390 can sized 2460 platform rather than the 540 size system.,,. which the 540 motor alone adds weight compared to the 390, mand brushless is way lighter in that size. Im currently working on a A979B,. just picked it up last week,. and done hand full of immediate upgrades, but before i go all metal, im gonna swap out my brushless in the A959 and toss in the 540 in it once the motor mount arrives,. and swap the wheels and see how it runs. I'll follow up.
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SO I finally got an actually speed meter and soon I will test if the WL TOYS speed claims are true or now. I have a feeling it will be about 80% truth at most. We will see. I would like the aluminum turnbuckles and steering linkage, that seems the most important to start with, what do you think?
I Drive my a959b about 15-20 minute ;)
U think you can fit one more advertisement in this video? That would make it even better!
LOL, watch again, tell me if you get more commercials, ahaha. But honestly, you're right, i'll reduce it, I overdid it on this one. Thanks for watching anyway!!!!
Have the 4.18 MT and 4.18 Touring Car both brushless!..Very satisfied with speed, control, run time, and durability!..Look'd at the A979-B and saw the same flaws described in your video, although I did like the fact of that 540 motor!..Ended up ordering CHTRAX TETON 1:16 scale 4WD Monster Truck also w/540 motor!..If at all possible could you give a review on this one?..🤔
#LoveYourIndepthness!..😎
hey buddy, thanks for watching!!!. I gotta tell you I really have come to hate the A979-B. Its totally uncontrollable because of the tight diffs, no other brand name RC has such tight diffs. That s the actually reason why it steers so poorly, not to mention the terrible turning radius. Also mind has began glitching and sometime doesn't turn on at all. While the Dromida is still running well, worth the extra money.
I have a t- maxx and one of the wheel nuts rattled off on my third run... (just ordered a WLtoys a959-b)
yup, thats common if you don't have plastic locking rings on the wheel nuts. Or they could just have been worn over time. You needed new wheel nuts, or thread lock.
hybrid32494,
It was brand new and I was too excited to check if everything was tight. I learned my lesson when I had to chase down a tire. Lol
lol ok, gotcha. I have personally become familiar with that a few times myself. Especially on larger 1/8 scale buggies with those large aluminum hubs. No plastic threads there.
If you only want the A979B 100% stock and dont care then ignore this
Most of these people thinks "oh, its only $60ish, SOLD" and then they put almost $200 into it in upgrades when they could just get a better RC, a 1/10th at that lol. To do a full metal upgrade on banggood, my cart was at $180 not counting the car for each part i felt i would want counting all metal gears, diff case and bulkheads, A-arms shocks, cheap rebrand ESC/brushless motor and some other metal body upgrades and yet i had room for more... If you want small, get a Savage flux XS if you're wanting 65+mph and being a 1/12th or w/e it is stock on 3s. Sure its $324 and instock now but its not much more then what you will do with this A979B if you go all out to get 50-60mph and still wont do what the Savage flux XS can do.
Are the parts interchangeable? Will the wl toys metal parts work on the dromida?
The diffs are locked in the wl toys that’s why the motors spinning
hello, thanks for watching. The diffs are not locked, they are just very tight. A locked diff would not be useful with this type of RC at all.
hybrid32494 ok iv never had this car but because the motor was spinning I thought it was locked thanks for the reply 👍
you're on point!! that was a valid observation. Unfortunately they are just extremely tight for such a light car. In a heavier car it would not be as bad as it is here. That's also one reason why the turning radius is terrible in this, since the diffs need to be more open for a turn when the outside tire covers more distance than the inside tires.
You are a liar. I've seen both these trucks on other channels and the WL toys is so fast it's uncontrollable. It is not slow at all. You are also a liar about the run time. Other channels are saying 8 to 10. As far as the rest of your comparison well lets see. Gee why is the $60.00 truck not the same quality as the $160.00 truck. What do you expect? You can spend $25.00 for some tire inserts and some new shocks and you've got a great truck and still have not hit $100.00. There are also complete metal upgrade kits for these. Diff, entire front end, everything. I own a WL Toys 12428 1/12 scale with same motor and I get over 10 min runtime. They are nice trucks FOR THE MONEY! HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU TO SELL THE DROMIDA?
well Im not a lier, and I told it as it truly is. Don't be mislead by all these other positive reviews, its not as great as the marketing makes it look. In reality run time is crap bc a 540 motor drains the 1500 Mahh pack very quickly, ofcourse I don't run it all the way down either. Id never get metal upgrades for a cheap Chinese RC such as this, you will just wind up breaking other elements. You should get one and give it a try. then let me know from your own experience.
here is another video, watch the last 3 three min, I show you how it actually runs.
Like I said I already own a WL Toys 12428 with the same 540 motor and it's 1/12 scale. larger and heavier and I get at least 10 minutes before low voltage cut off. The 12428 comes with the same battery too. You are trying to compare it to something way above it's price point. You are misrepresenting it's speed, runtime and pricing. The A979-B can be had for between 50.00 to 62.00. YOU may not want to upgrade a "cheap" chinese rc but 100's of people on TH-cam have and almost all are raving about their WL Toys trucks. They are not all sponsored. Real owners. You should check out the 12428 too. You seem like one of those haters that is upset that the Chinese are bringing HUGE competition to the market. Especially hobby shop owners. Too Bad. The Dromida is a nicer truck but not $100.00 nicer. Dromeda also starts with cheap plastic parts and makes you upgrade if you want metal. Fully upgraded WL toys under $300.00. Fully upgraded Dromida almost 500.00. Sure the Dromida is nicer but the WL Toys is a great truck for it's price point.
I have the 12428, that was my first WL toys product. Great chassis for the price. Drivable at least, with good loose diffs. I was merely comparing the scale and chassis layouts. The torque steer and very tight diffs make the a979 undriveable to me. Ofcourse its more obvious on pavement. Im telling you, the dromida handles amazing compared to any WL toys model. You're right, its incomparable only bc it is so much better.
I can tell you my own experience and what you say is bullshit. wltoys is the best choice. run fastest , you got everything in metal upgrades. and is already 540 size motor for easy to changes to brushless set up.
sorry pal but you no true.
I like how you edited this what software do you use
this is all the most basic IMovie software from apple. It's the same software I use on all my videos. My goal is not to spend time learning Windows based exaggerated Final Cut Pro and instead MAKE NITRO GREAT AGAIN!
@@hybrid32494 if it works don’t fix it
I don’t hav a problem drivin the 979 top speed just takes skill I own both cars the 3s last longer and its almost as fast as my 4x4 slash
Really? you don't think the steering is just so random? Do you have the B model with the 540 motor?
I have the A969, steering is good, the tyres are slightly smaller than a979's
I mean, the steering isn't terrible, interns of servo torque. Its just very poorly linked to the wheels (too much slop here).
hybrid32494 Wltoys loves the slop. It lives for the slop. It's mother was a mudder, it's father was a mudder.
Hobby grade vs toy grade? They’re all toy grade since they’re all toys.
ahahah, hey man!! You got a point there, to some degree, LOL.
hybrid32494 lol I was into this stuff in the 80s and I remember the frog, RC10 ,Hornet etc were considered hobby grade while Nikko, Tyco etc were considered toy grade but Nikko had cars just as good if not better. Guess it depends on what it’s used for, wltoys are great for bashing at a low cost which what the majority of people buy rc cars for
yep, you're right on this again!! I have a full variety or WL TOYS and higher end pro models, they are for different purposes ofcourse. For me the best thing about hobby grade RCs is they retain value, while the no-brand and toy grades do not. They are a SUNK cost right away. I like the buying and selling aspects of these hobby grade cars too. For me it's an investment in FUN, LOL>
hybrid32494 Haha, that’s an fun way to make a buck
I’m getting ready to sell my Tamayas, I bought some retro kits a few years back and built them, building was more fun than driving lol
good luck on your sales, those models do pretty well on eBay usually, if in good shape. The tamiyas are in my opinion only for building, not really modern tech for todays bashing. I have a lunch box that I built too, btw. It's fun for what it is, but I'll prob always keep it on a shelf.
Wow what a good in depth review. You got my subcribtion.
thanks!!!, success, lol. Do you have either of these?, or looking for one?
Hobby grade: able to buy spare parts and upgrade
YUP, you will def need to buy alot of upgrades, LOL. Im doing that right now. Good model overall, for the money.
I just buy adjustable links who look cool for 5$....
I'm looking to buy the aluminum steering for this now. BTW I've converted this one to run a 5200 KV brushless system, insane now.
Do a review on the wltoys drift car
do you mean the WL TOYS K969? IF so just checked it out, seems pricey for such a small scale RC.
wltoys a949 ?
Yup
Will look into it.
hybrid32494 yayyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please check out the wl toys drift car
Hi, can you put a 23t 540 motor on a979 with stock esc?
I don't see why not, as long as its a 540 motor can it should work fine. If you mean the original a979-A without the standard 540 motor then chances are you would need a different motor mount.
Look at the price difference. ..you get what you pay for
hey, yes thats true. Although since I purchased the dromida on a massive sale for 90 bucks about, and the WL Toys was around 75, it's pretty close. Otherwise you are right, the price on a non sale dromida is twice the WL toys.
I own both models and I can say bashing wise the dromida holds up better I've busted way more pieces on the wltoys then the dromida although they both offer plenty of aftermarket parts although I feel the wltoys aftermarket parts could be beefed up a little more and it would make a pretty damn good truck but the wltoys is too fast for its own good for the quality of the parts that it's built on
I swapped my wltoys to a 2050 KV brushless on 3s and the front tires don't stay on the ground but also had to change every single link on the truck over to aluminum but it doesn't take jump very well but it's pretty badass for Speed runs or just cranking wheeleez across the parking lot
yes, I also agree on this completely. Getting these low quality Chinese made aftermarket aluminum parts for the WLtoys is mostly pointless, they are brittle and flexible and really just for looks. Plus they seem cheap, but in reality compared to the cheap sell price of the whole RTR model they are to that cheap overall.
let me ask you this, How do you get it to steer correctly. Mine has too much front wheel slop, almost always its not controllable at all, the steering links seem fine and nothing is misaligned.
Stop it bro 979.b is king of 1.18 scales can get real witnesses my 979 beast and the 959beast is killing all 118 scale brushless or not just on 2s i run mines on 3s in get 71 mph 540
I don't hate the wl toys a979b, mine is just a malfunctioning turd. I am gonna upgrade to a normal esc and rx system and keep the stock 540 motor, then we will see. also the steering is still crap, does the steering radius not bother you???
Theres no way that that truck goes 71 mph my friend has one and its fast but not 71 mph
@@rcmaxxproductions5021 it’s possible boss. But he’s definitely not running stock if he’s hitting 70mph.
liar i have 959b,969b and 979b and they all run about 12 to 15m run time
I don't think you can justifiably call me a liar. In reality im sure you can get 10-15 min run time based on your driving and how much you discharge the battery. I don't actually go all the way down until the battery hits lipo-cutoff, so I was on the safe side, more or less.
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