1970 Mercedes-Benz 250C Coupe - Mercedes-Benz Classics with Pierre Hedary
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- Mercedes Classics with Pierre Hedary: 1970 Mercedes-Benz 250C Coupe
Pierre dives into one of the most beloved coupes of all time - the 250C. Pierre talks about the history, build and technical specs of this coupe while also sharing his thoughts on the w114 and w115 line. Then, he takes the car out on the open road on Florida's Space Coast.
About Mercedes Classics: Hosted by Pierre Hedary, Mercedes Classics is a web series featuring a revolving list of beloved classic MB cars and coupes. Centered around the vehicle's history and fun, hands on road test of each vehicle.
About Pierre Hedary: Pierre is Mercedes-Benz Enthusiast, Technical Expert, Author and Trainer - as well as the proprietor of Pierre Hedary's, a shop specializing in classic Mercedes-Benz.
Website: www.PierreHedaryandCo.com
Video shot by Thomas Polk - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
That exact car was my first Mercedes. I bought it three years old with 19K miles for $2000. Oh man, I wish I still had it. It was a sweet machine.
A 1972 250C that my father gave to my mother as part of a divorce settlement became my first Mercedes. Loved that car. Have owned 40+ Mercedes since then. Your video brought back great memories. If you come across a nice one let me know. Thanks! Greg
I totally agree with Mr. Sutherland:
The Soul is what I love about Pierre and his passion, knowledge of these classic pieces of history. I spoke with him on the phone and you can tell he is 110% invested in his love and abilities and truly appreciates his gifts then apply them to his every day life. He is blessed to live in the Paradise of this great country. Pray and support him.
Pierre has soul, Mercedes feel right. Only soulful hearts understand this. As the teachings say: truth cannot be told, it has to be understood. Beautiful video and sentiments brother.
thank you Charles!
Pierre Hedary,
Hi Pierre, I am 2nd owner of a 1971 250C with under 200k original miles with original seats and upholstery. It has been in storage for over 10 years. Please advise how to find a serious buyer for it. I is stored approx 50 miles east of Lis Angeles. My email:
deccani786@gmail.com
Exactly! I have had the same fascination about those classic Mercedes since childhood. Its much more than a car. The feel of it, is like you bring with you the best memory of secure, intimate home feeling.
I purchased a new 1970 250 sunroof sedan, dark green, tan interior, Becker radio. Have owned probably 40 plus vehicles since. That car had the tightest turning radius of any vehicle I have ever owned. Wish I still had it.
I have a blue one for sale. One owner, 18k miles. Blue with sunroof
I recognise the feeling as a young kids of 4 when my dad had a MB180 & 190 from the fifties (Ponton). At the age of 23 i had 1 W115 myself and the feeling came back indeed! Thanks for sharing Pierre!
I own the same car ,colour ,interior, ,but it's a 250 ce. ..1970 ..
And finally I found a mechanic that fixed my fuel problems. .even pierre couldn't help me ..
But she runs like never before .. love that car .
1 thing i noticed the front bumper is upside down pretty sure?
@@kellymorgan1715 no that's stock .
I remember a friend of my Dad who had a Merc's collection from the early mid 1950's such as the 170,190 and a 220. They left an impression on me as a boy as this car did in the late 70's early 80's....
FYI... I don't know how many were made, but my shop serviced a 1973 280C that had a 3.5 litre V8 and a manual transmission, all from the factory. The car had the proper stickers for US consumption...which was always questionable to me. The owner claimed the car was a present to long-time Mercedes importer Max Hoffman, who didn't care for the manual transmission and sold it. I don't know how true THAT was, but the car wqas very real. And it was wonderful to drive. I tried seriously to buy it, but the owner wasn't interested. I've always wondered what happened to it. I spent many years in the auto dealer business, and I know manufacturers make all manner of one-offs...but they never escape. This one did. I always enjoy your videos; keep up the good work.
This car is a stunner Pierre Hedary gets these cars he is the biggest and best to ever do it
i am 4 years a c114 owner and often come back to watch this video to celebrate the fact that i have made at least one good decision in my life........
Having owned a 1970 since new I enjoyed driving the 250C. It was unique in appearance, comfortable to drive, and it had an ice cold air conditioner and the electric windows were nice. When unleaded fuel was mandated in the U.S. in 1973. The valve sleeves had to be replaced because they were designed for leaded fuel. So, oil would drip into the combustion chambers causing a cloud of white smoke when starting it cold. Also, dry rot was a serious problem prompting the replacement of door gaskets, hoses, CV joint boots, and more. Also, I knew then what I know now I would have used rubber dressings on the all rubber. As it aged there were some area of concern with rust. A good rust proofing would have prevented that. The paint was blue, but non-metallic. I was always waxing the finish. Other than that, I loved that car.
Have a 1971. With the front fog lamps. Super shape. When you close the doors it feels like you r closing the door on a safe.
Beautiful Mercedes, excellent commentary and plenty of useful information. I give this video two thumbs up! Thanks again, Pierre.
Beautiful color combo. I agree that the W114 coupe is undervalued and under-appreciated. It’s a beautiful car but I feel that the c pillar is a bit too heavy. The W113 and W111 coupe have a more delicate and elegant C pillar in my opinion. But anyway, this car with this color combo and a manual transmission would be high up there in the ranks as my dream car.
For posterity, I’d like to state that Leo Levine, told me, in person, and in detail, that Erich Waxenberger put a 4.5L M117 in a W114 coupe back in the early 70s. He also told me that he had seen him driving it around often. There were many odd and interesting one-offs from MB engineers in the 60s and 70s, such as the white-on-blue 300SE 6.3 coupe, and that is why I believe Erich’s 4.5L W114 coupe actually existed.
Stunning car. I have loved this design ever since watching an Avengers espisode with one in it. Unfortunately, neither Steed or Mrs. Emma Peel were driving it . Superb video Pierre
the British Avengers promoted driving British Automobiles only.
Indeed it is a thorough and nostalgic review!
thank you
So understated beautiful
In '71 (I was 11) my mom bought my father a 250C. I remember going to Star Motors on Kedzie Ave in Chicago, the metallic blue coupe was in the small showroom with the red bow around it. My mom had previously asked why he wanted a German car, she had been needling him about the unreliable Mercedes he was driving "why don't you just buy an American car". Mom always knew he wanted a Mercedes coupe. My dad took one look at the 250C and said 'no I don't want it". Dad wasn't normally a stubborn man. It was a very quiet ride home with my mom in her Chrysler with my father following in his rusty '62 220SE. We got home and dad wasn't home for another 2 hours. When he did get home it was in a new green Olds Cutlass. Dinner time that evening was very quiet. He had that Olds for 2 years before trading in in for a 220D. He eventually did get the coupe he wanted in '85, the last 300CD at any dealer in Chicago.
Very nice video Pierre, gorgeous car.
I manage to get one 2 years ago. It is definitely a head turner for sure.
Nice Car. Congratulations.
Beautiful color combo
Love the 3.5 idea.I have driven a standard trans 280c .They run strong.
A beautiful thing indeed, a very informative video delivered by someone who can pull off the double denim look which is no mean achievement.
Pretty coupe! Love the cars from that era
well well well...we finally found a car you like (:
I’ve always liked the 250 and 280c cars. Beyond that the C123 coupes like the 1976-1980.
to 1985...
Nice music!
Pierre, I am a new subscriber. I came across your channel because I just recently purchased a 1972 250 6 cylinder Mercedes sedan. I paid under 4K,it has 54k original miles and the original owner kept impeccable records. He logged every time he filled if with fuel, where he purchased the fuel and how much per gallon including other repairs up to 47k miles. The second owner unfortunate ly did not do as well but keep receipts of all the work done with going over the receipts included radiator flush, oil changes, carburetor cleaning etc. It has a wonder chocolate interior with no tears of any kind. The head liner is coming apart around the rear wind and front dash needs repair as dies the wood grain. Overall the vehicle seems sound and runs. The question I have is I am slightly worried that while driving it, it started to stall and lose power. I was able to make it home but could not get it into my garage due to lack of power and my drive way has an upward slope. The seller told me it has sat for some time with the same gas in the tank. Could my problem be bad gas? I haven't driven it but periodically start it up and it idles just fine but the smell is bad. I am planning on having it flushed and then doing the repairs because I plan on keeping it. It also has minor rust behind the right wheel well but it is only surface rust. I you opinion did I make a good purchase or do you think I wasted money? I feel like I did ok but the unknown is somewhat stressful. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
you need to check your gas tank for rust, your fuel filter for rust and your fuel pump for delivery. it sounds like the tank might be contaminated.
Well said!I certainly do hope that the owners of the less glamorous Mercedes Benz like the 123 body take your advice too heart.The day may come when our type of cars are only driven for fun at motor club of some type,kinda like going horse back riding now.Thanks for using your forum to voice what we classic Mercedes guys are thinking.
Nice video Pierre cool car do not see many of the anymore .
they are out there but yes they usually need some work
Pierre, I forgot about you and our mutual Dallas M-B childhood connection. I terminated my MBCA membership because it seems to be peopled with older duffers driving R107’s who know little about the cars. The bright spot was always the MBCA magazine with your column. I miss those.
I saw your video about old versus new Mercedes. Definitely struck a cord! Last time we spoke by phone, I had acquired a Eurospec W116 350SE. I added a 2002 R170 SLK320 6-speed three years ago. Two months ago I bought a Eurospec 1992 C124 300CE-24 Sportline with 5-speed Gretrag. Living the dream. Interesting Mercedes chronology: W116 to R170. Very different philosophies!
We really appreciate you Charles Cleaver for viewing our videos and leaving a comment. I tried to read as many as I can and take your responses for consideration on future videos.
Thomas Polk
TH-cam Creator.
wow! a euro 300ce sportline 5 speed!
on september 29th i am doing a tech session in oklahoma city.
I will try and come up there.
Thank you for your video & acknowledging how fabulous the W114 coupe is. I'm currently restoring a 1972 W114.023 and can hardly wait for completion (although the work will never actually "end"). I'm intrigued by your suggestion of possibly replacing original engine with M116 (or even M117). But this seems like a MAMMOTH task.
BTW - What was the title of the guitar music you added to the start of this video ??
I will ask Joseph...our editor..good luck@!!!!
Souds quite noisy inside but...love this car anyway!!! Thanks for the video Pierre
yes they are not as quiet as a 300d 2.5!
My favorite part of that car was the roofline .
I think in a lot of way these are the car which best represents Mercedes, traditionally there's 2 types of Mercedes enthusiast, those who are into the simplistic robustness of something like a 240d and those who are into the beauty of the hand build mercedes like a pagoda or a 300se coupe. Where as these have a good compromise of both!
Pierre my 1971 250C has a engine block number of 280 S/A. Im assuming 2.8 liter engine. What does the A represent?
Pierre, I wished you were closer. After a couple of 107 SL's, I am looking at a 71 250C. Not perfect, but not wasted. Can I ask, who are the best suppliers of parts? (Interior, ext trim. general maintenance)? Thanks for your time and keep it up
feel free to email me at mbownersforlife @bellsouth.net
don't fall into the parts trap...the only place to really get anything for this car is through mercedes itself...anyone else....millers, bud's, etc. is marking parts up over dealer list price. Thus being said, for cosmetic items mercedes is the only supplier, unless you need seat covers and carpets...
And I cant change the bulb in the back headlamp can I change the wire plug that gos to the lamp ?
Such a beautiful car! Can you tell me what the Mercedes colour code of this car is?
When you said that that everything in the interior looked just right as experiencing it as child - totally brings me back to my childhood. Is there remote possibility you would be interested in selling it ?
I have an awesome 1972 Benz 250C that I might consider selling. You can reply back if interested
@@yogicwisdom929 I might be interested. Can you give me an email to contact?
Please if you can tell me I have a 72 250c and the alternator went bad I'm guessing is there a fuse for the alternator or a regulator please let me know I been working on this car since 2 years I just can't get it to run right 🤷🏻♂️
My dad owned a 1969 250 4 door. Twin Weber two barrel carburetors if I remember correctly. Wonderful car to drive.
twin ZENITH carbs.....Weber was never used on these from the factory...where is the car now?
I haven't seen it in about 40 years.
I wonder if it is still out there somewhere
It was an absolutely beautiful dark green, almost like jaguar racing green. Only mercedes I've ever seen that color He had 6 or 7 e classes after that, but finally shifted over to Jaguar XJs, one of which was racing green. I've owned a couple of c class coupes myself, but unfortunately neither was green!
Beautiful car. I have a sedan and the parking brake was disconnected underneath the car for some reason. Any idea how to put it back together?
the parking brake main cable has a yoke in the driveshaft tunnel that it attaches to. The yoke also holds the two rear cables. there is a spring that goes from the yoke to a bracket in the rear of the tunnel that keeps the whole mechanism tight.
Thank you! I don't think I have that bracket, but I'll take another look.@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753
I'm not seeing a bracket. I see where the spring attaches to the yoke, but not where the other end of the spring attaches. Also, I'm not sure where the levering(?) piece attaches to the yoke piece. Sorry I couldn't be more clear.@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753
@@MSwee-vu3zx please email me at mbownersforlife@bellsouth.net...send pictures....we will figure it out
Did this early 114 come with the single pipe exhaust? My ‘72 has the factory dual pipes (sharing the same muffler). Great interior color combo and the dash is in far better condition than mine.
no, it's an aftermarket stainless which we did not install.
Very nice Pierre. I think a 114 coupe will be my next purchase. Do you prefer the 250C to the 280C? I agree, these are very under valued. Also, it always seems to me that the front bumpers on the coupes don't quite sit right, like they're upturned slightly. Am I seeing things? Is that how they're supposed to be? The bumper on my 114 sedan seems to be sitting more level. Good job again. Keep up the good work.
John!!!!! the upturning bumper is likely on the later cars, and i think it is because of how the shocks mount into the bumper. If you want a 114 coupe, here is
my hierarchy of preferences: 1972-76 280ce "euro" with injection, followed by 1969-72 250ce euro, injection. After that, 1972-73 280c, unless it is Euro market, then any year is ok. then the Euro market or US 250c. After that, the 1974 280c, and then, last, the 1975-76 280c. they are all good cars, solid, dependable, but the late US cars are a matter of preference. Email me for more details Happy motoring!
Nice commentary on a beautiful car. My dad had a '71 Dodge Polara station wagon, rode like a boat. Lol! My maternal Gran in England had a little Fiat, ever loving piece of garbage. My paternal grandpa in England had a diesel Volvo in '84...that was an interesting car! I agree with you.
My maternal Gran's male friend had a '79 Lotus Espirit- he taught me to drive it- stick shift and all! It's funny how cars from our youth influence our car preferences now! Oh and yesterday I got to drive my brother in law's Corvette. It was nice, it rode like crap compared to my '80 450SL, but you can't zoom around like a speed demon like you can in that Vette. (Oh god that was fun!!!) Honestly, the Vette was nice, but I like the SL better. I guess it's what do you want out of your car.
We just gave our '99 Suburban to our 27 y.o. son. I'm trying to figure out what I can DD an let my SL rest a bit. I'm a homemaker with automotive training (1995) and I repair our cars when needed. I need something to drive for yard sales and shopping. Has to be Benz! Lol
300TD!
Thank you!
Remarkable also pneumatic for seat lock to get into back seats and power lock if I remember correctly..
One detail stated incorrectly - the dashboard wood was in all 6-cylinder models from at least 1971 onward - my Dad had a '71 250 and it had beautiful wood just like your coupe example. The 220s of the era did not and looked a bit utilitarian by comparison (most were diesels). Thanks.
W115 is the best car EVER... diesel 😍
yes...my first car!
The Pierre Hedary Mercedes-Benz Classic Specialist 🤣i hade 14. And 3 w123. 5 w124 and 2 w210. Now theres a w126 420SE- 90 i play around with😎
Is there huge difference between 250 and 280?
280 uses the twin m110 engine, so I would say yes.
timeless beauty.. deff doesnt compare easily to f.e.
Pierre can you please tell me reasons for having a milkshake color coolant?
a good mechanic told me i might need a head gasket replaced or that my engine is trashed... car has sat for 3yrs.. '91 w126 300SE
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YES! do the repair or engine will go soon
+Matt Whitmire thanks for your input mate. so get the head gasket replaced? should i do that before i replace fuel distributor? because mechanic told me to get the fuel distributor 1st and go from there, getting engine running again..
I'd definitly start with the head gasket.
you have a bad head gasket. I would replace valve guides and seals at the same time.
Why did MBZ use carbs in these models instead of the 60's FI engines. They see to have more issues with passing smog. Is the Carbs on these engines more fuel efficient and better performance
cost...it was much cheaper to slap a set of carbs on
I did have the same feeling as a child, having been driven in different cars, only Mercedes-Benz were somehow feeling different, felt smoother, more solid, substantial feel, materials, leather, plastic, it all felt right... design was also much better, it was all just better.
Sadly nowadays, the race of having a car that does it all, ruins the entire experience, cars need to be sporstcars, limos, 0-60 fast, 0-100, look the same, sound the same, cars lose their magic!
Recently i drove the new 223 S class.. technology over technology, lights, screens, sensors .. but yet i felt like Mercedes are missing some key moments here also 😢 i wish they can take a look back and relearn how should a comfortable car feel like, the path to making a car into a supercomputer on wheels with LED lights made them forget a lot!
reminds me of a 250C that I sold to a 'friend', who warped the cylinder head after "cooking" the motor until it stopped running........
yep. seems like it happened a lot with the m130v.
Oh look..... MB attached a tiny engine to an air breather. 🤣 Sweet ride dude.
Keep the camera still!
If you are going to present the interior design, please straighten out the steering wheel first! Otherwise, good video - except use a tripod....
Why is the camera man filming your torso and not filming your face whilst you speak
Actually....the column shifter went all the way until '74 (at least for sedans).
well...really until 85 on the 123. sorry for the error. I saw it as late as 76, on the w116/115, but it was a rare option.
I have one as my first car but it's a 71 however there is almost no difference
it had fuel shut off valves..which were wonderful...the '70 will diesel on a hot day.
The 250 CE and 280 CE were fast and no need for heavy V8 sacrificing handling...
parcelshelf looks weird, nothing like original.
neither was mine, i cut holes and fitted 6 speakers and the most powerful stereo system i could afford at the time into it.
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Pierre, sorry dude but you need to get yourself a new cameraman. A lovely video is completely ruined by bad camera work. ☹️
we did...did you see the 280se 4.5 video?
Thank you so much for the feedback as we are always growing and learning.
Thomas
The guy with the phone recording absolutely sucks
You are running hot, wanna be at 175
i know....I had an ignition issue that i resolved shortly thereafter...now it runs at 183-187
Why is his head cut off? I know he needs a haircut, but .....
The W114 does not have R107 underpinnings (aka platform). It is the R107 that has something from the earlier W114, and that is merely the front subframe and suspension. In regards to an M116 or M117 V8 engine, all that gets you is the ability to use factory R107 engine mount arms to mount the v8 atop the W114 subframe.
However that is not enough. The frames (and thus the engine bays) are different. I have tried it myself and can tell you that an M117 will not fit into a W114 without cutting sheet metal or making asthmatic exhaust manifolds. The engine bay is too narrow. Please do your homework.
Why do the Yanks insist on called a two-door car a "coop"?