Destiny Literally Begs For Help In Confusing Gender Discussion
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- Confused, Destiny and Rem discuss whether or not gender is a choice and the dangerous implications of this recent popular online argument...
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“Is it transphobic to make fun of them for being otherkin?”
That question melted my brain. Stop the ride, I want off.
wait so are you ridiculing otherkin or vice versa? I'm v confused and need a hug
Jesus Christ, NO IT IS NOT. The fact that this question melts anyone’s brain is just sad.
@@yvonnelee4385 otherkin aint a gender.
@Boomer Boomer Jesus Christ shepherd of judea! I do what I want
"Well can I just say that I'm autistic then? Well I am but" lmao
I think these gender discussions are why you just shouldn't engage with lunatics on Twitter. They always go no where
They're not even talking to you. Just the imagined guy in their head.
Can someone link me Destiny's twitter account?
@@mkm1015 this is slave labour
@@bobjenkins4925 Saying the person talking in their head is imagined is pretty schizophobic of you, they know their mind better than anyone don't you know?
@@mkm1015 Twitter is of no good to anyone
Man I really can't bring myself to care about dumb Twitter people. There's so much more wrong going on in the world right now.
Just hope that reality blocks their takes from ever influencing real world policies.
@@WanderTheNomad I guess that's just another thing, they don't and they won't so why get all in a fuss about it. A dude just got murdered by the cops the exact same way George Floyd did, and we're talking about dumb takes on Twitter.
@@stonetemplepilot420 i dont know about other people but it always makes me sad to be shown how ignorant some members of our society are
I think their narcism is part of what is wrong with the world and it matters that they are like that...
Entertainment is entertaining
Destiny comment section ? That's where beytas rush to say a meme for internet points !
What do you need em for?
@@interycreeper1152 Free dopamine I guess
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Girls name?
Can someone link me Destiny's twitter account?
I was literally just arguing with this guy who said he didn’t care about transphobia because being trans is a choice, and then I see supposedly pro-trans people unironically saying shit like this. 🤦♂️
Ask him if being cis is a choice and when he says yes ask if it’s suddenly ok to discriminate against cis ppl
@ok sure
I'm pretty sure my comments are being deleted. This has to be a subcomment cos youtube shadowbans my actual comments. This is not the issue.
Okay this will prove once and for all.
If the person who runs this channel is a massive coward who is afraid of dissenting opinions please delete this comment.
This is what happened i was defending neo pronouns. I made a relpy to someone and my comment vanished. I made another saying why did my comment vanish. Now the entire thread has vanished.
Too many coincidences. If anyone can find the thread please let me kniw.
@@dickyboi4956
I didn't post a link
@@dickyboi4956
I don't see any link. I'm not sure why thats relevant
I think sexuality is more adaptable than people think, and can be a choice while also being completely natural. Basically "everyone's a little gay", so this might not be the most profound thing.
My knee-jerk reaction was to think of gender identity the same way, but it seems unlikely. The process of transitioning just seems too rigorous to me to call being trans a choice.
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"They just called me illiterate again"
I think the disconnect is that you do have absolute power to express gendered aspects of your presentation: you choose to dress certain ways, wear clothes, modify your look with makeup or jewellery. But the underlying things in your mind are not chosen
All those things are irrelevant to gender or sex. Gender roles are they way they are primarily because of the biological difference men and women. Like for instance, women give birth and feed those children with food made in their chest. That makes them more inclined towards child rearing and nurturing. Men are biologically stronger and bigger which naturally gives them role of protector. These roles are for the most part predicated on the biological differences.
@@luciddream2033 well yes but the line of thought goes as: since technology lifts the burdens of our biological and enviromental limits, to a certain extend, there is no reason for them to be the only thing that exists. We should also be careful not to fall into the naturalistic fallacy.
@@Nestoras_Zogopoulos I would agree that technological progress has rendered gender roles less important to survival in a traditional sense, but still that these gender roles are still evident through the career choices of women. I feel like people are trying gaslight me into thinking that gender and sex aren't deeply connected and that somehow biology has nothing to do with one's gender. They reduce it down to this general statement. A women is whoever says they are a women. People aren't going to gaslight me like that.
@@luciddream2033 ah yeah we are in full agreement here, I for one cannot understand the aversion of the social sciences about anything that has to do with biology.
yeah, you choose to identify and conform to those social roles.
inb4 this is clipped out of context to make Destiny look like a TERFy villain
nothing wrong with 'terfs'. If you want to say gender is malleable... even with that argument just conceded for the sake of this next bit... sex isn't malleable and females wanting a category for them that excludes members of the opposite sex isn't in it's radical.
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@@InsanitiesBrother They have a category tho no? Cis women?
@@InsanitiesBrother So give trans people the gendered pronouns and keep the sexed terms
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2:31 Destiny? That's a non-binary person's name!
Totally Serious Person? That's a totally serious person's name!
@Totally Serious Person 💖
MORE CLIPS , also thanks editor for all the hard work
Analyzing twitter arguments is like trying to understand quantum physics with newtonian physics: sure can work for a while, but eventually you'll just start confusing yourself.
I guess you can choose your gender in the sense of picking the term that feels closest to who you are.
I would assume that if someone is choosing to be trans, then they are clearly not (even if you opt not to transition, then your state of being would still be trans).
And you will find that the large majority of the trans community do not see it as a choice.
Truee! I think the term gender identity trips a lot of people up.
Fashion isn't a gender. That's what is confusing the stupid people.
How do you explain 4 out of 5 girls in a friend group deciding that they are boys within the span of a few months? Am I not allowed to question the motives at all here? Lol. I think the trend/peer pressure argument is definitely relevant and shouldn't be a taboo topic of discussion.
I mean you can question the motives but let’s be realistic when we try to analyze them. Is this “trend” really a large enough incentive for people to turn their lives upside down for? Or is it more likely that this group of friends grew close because they could all relate on their gender dysphoria.
I remember in high school there was a lunch table with some of the swim team and some theatre kids. After we all graduated like half of them came out as gay. Were they secretly convincing themselves to become gay or were they all gay before and that’s one of the reasons they became friends? Occam’s Razor
@@slibbs2869 yes, people kill themselves out of peer pressure.
Closeted people stick together lol
at my sons primary school 11 out of the 13 girls in his class came out as gay after the school did a pride month (the 2 girls that didnt one was muslim and the other couldn't speak english yet) it caused all sorts of problems and meetings as the boys were teasing them in the playground and it was hyped up to ridiculous levels cos of them being gay it was hate crimes instead of just playground dumbshit, it ruined the school, we put our younger daughter in a different school that is brilliant and ironically has a gay man as the headteacher
@@rexboy6 would 3% of the entire planet earths population kill themselves out of peer pressure?
I approve of the thumbnails of Destiny in distress because that literally me on most of these topics
Me too.
Deleting my Twitter account was the best thing ever
Good on you!
Never having one is even better. Don't even know how to use it haha
Every time I want to I just remember how I found out in real time that Trump had Covid via Twitter and it was one of the funniest experiences since lockdown and I do have some fomo about not having Twitter after that lol
yep. i actually feel bad when i remember the times i just sat there scrolling endlessly through useless information. not for regret of time wasted, but what i was doing to my brain.
If we learned anything from this, it’s that gender gets confusing
That's why I never I understood the spectrum. I feel like it's already hard but people are literally making things up that only apply to themselves but get mad when people don't understand it. These hundreds of pronouns make my head hurt. I don't want to be a dick to anybody, I just don't understand anything
@@deletthis5040 exactly, I guess it comes down to live and learn... 🤷♂️
Yep. I’ve tried, and the more I learn, it seems everyone on the planet has a differ idea and it’s all subjective
So I say: WHO CARES. Just live and let live, and for relationships just see what you’re attracted to and what you aren’t. Use biology when necessary and refer to it as simply biology when you need medical supplies. Consent, empathy, all you need.
I guess that makes me some form of abolitionist, but only because I don’t see anything to abolish in the first place
Great video!
Dude, I am honestly starting to just not care about any of this anymore; I am so done with "who" or "what" people are. There needs to be a flip that switches off all of social media.
i hope its a backflip
@@roymarshall_ thanks for making me smile while my throat is fucked up because of acid reflux
There is. Just uninstall.
@@wixxed I meant it as "for everyone in the world at the same time"
This is Riley Grace's argument, and I love it, as a trans woman.. the more trans people I meet the more I cringe, it's like they think it's an aesthetic or something
riley grace's argument is that trans people are trans because they choosed to be trans?
First off, this doesn't mean start debating random trans people on thier gender.
@@jacklumsden7444 dam no need to be so rude
@@lubu2960 no. It was that Demon Mama's argument of "I can just identify as whatever I want" doesnt hold up when debating transphobes
@@lubu2960 No, the opposite. you can't choose if your trans the same way you can't choose if you're gay.
Also, someone can "pretend" to be gay, the same way someone can "pretend" to be trans.
Like, Steven Crowder for example.
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Zappa help I'm a rock
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@@battleb0ng420 you have posted cringe content
@@zenleeparadise his heart was there, his expression just wasn’t
The little overlay at the end of the video still lists @GazeWithin as Destiny’s Twitter, even though he was banned and hasn’t used the platform in months.
On "people can identity as anything they want": Long before I was aware of trans issues, I thought of the same thing on religious beliefs and dietery restrictions.
are you seriously comparing being trans to a religion rn?
@@elin4364 yeah bro believing in a magical space daddy or believing in your magical gender are the same thing, you can choose what you identify as, just like you choose what you believe in
You can't "choose" to be trans in the same way you can't "choose" to be gay. We don't personally, intentionally choose our desires. However you can "choose" to go through hormone therapy, or "choose" to have sex with a guy. And on that same note people can claim to be trans when they really aren't, like Crowder, and people can claim to be gay when they really aren't. Why does Twitter have a hard time understanding this?
I look forward to our next debate on this.
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Remember when you went from criticising feminists online to being an extremely far-right figure. Other Anti-SJWS didn’t do that, very curious.
@@theawakechristian6576 I'm not extremely far right, you are a lunatic.
I'm glad destiny kinda pointed out the people that like obsessed with trans stuff, like fetishizing it, and such. Thats not, you're doing so for supporting trans people but some people really do obsess over it.
Non native English speakers trying to understand why Destiny is calling those people "the upper stratum of soil bound by grass and plant roots into thick mat"
You're joking right? He's saying TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminist).
@@skepticmoderate5790 oh thats what it means XD
Maybe people are just saying they're finally "choosing" to act on their desire to be [whatever]?
Is this going to be a new arc for 2021?
I think the tweet was just saying that you choose how to identify not the way you feel about your gender, but it was worded provocatively.
Isn’t that argument literally validating the “attack helicopter” shit conservatives were saying and still are?
Hell yeah man. I'm throwing that shit on my twitter
As a trans women the whole "gender abolishment" and trans being a choice thing really scares me.. it just hurts our cause
Yeah, it's really fucking weird to see and honestly quite frightening if it ever gained a lot of ground - I think we absolutely need to de-emphasise social gender roles as much as possible, but this is just going really, really bad places. Many "woke" people now seem to think trans is purely a social thing, like if I'd been allowed to wear a dress I wouldn't have been trans and wouldn't have felt the need to transition - that's not how this works at all, and it just shows the close minded reductionism at play here.
Which is why I support it
I dont think its fair to characterize people wanting to answer the question of "what is gender" with "its performance, and more specifically, the performance is primarily a speech act" as being lazy. It might be wrong. Sure. But I generally think, especially trans folks who say this, are largely trying to draw the line at what makes a person the gender they say they are at speech because its the one thing that can't be externally invalidated. Like I said, it could be wrong. But I think its more driven by fear that if some classification of man or woman comes out that narrowly excludes them, they'll be forced back into an egg. Idk. Maybe approaching it that way would get yall further.
0:00 OOOO HELP ME
I used to think it wasn’t a huge deal that there were young people who were choosing to be trans, but I’ve recently gave up on that with the amount of it coming into the real world. There is absolutely a massive young people coming out as trans with no actual dysphoria or even really what it is. I see it in super rural areas and all over. I think this trend is only going to hurt trans people in the end.
I won’t do it anymore. As soon as I hear some young teenager tell me their. Genderfluid and other kin it makes my head want to explode.
There is absolutely no utility to having anyone be gendered if it has become some a toxic form of escapism. I know trying to argue for some objective truths to the categories we have, but it’s just absolutely a huge waste of time to deconstruct everything to the point of nothing means anything anymore.
This guy thinking it’s just some people on Twitter is absolutely deluded if he thinks this isn’t everywhere now.
are you really suprised that child/teen love to follow trend
Forget about the discussion, what game is he playing?
2:22 how does that argument follow? I don't get the equivalence between the two?
13:38 I would need more details about what they mean by "everyone is just choosing to be trans". What does that mean to them exactly?
okay so im trans (mtf) and have gender dysphoria which means i hate like having the attributes that come with being the gender i was born as at birth. i literally can't live my normally as the gender i was assigned at birth without being severely depressed about the way i look, talk and the way i get reffered to by people. So I have to transition in order to feel normal, to be able to live my life further without the constant depression/ terrible uneasy feeling of being born the wrong gender which can be helped by reducing/ removing the the male aspects of my body and the way people refer to me in everyday life (from he/him to she/her in convo's and like on my ID and everything basically. But a friend of mine who is trans says she doesn't have any of that, she doesn't have gender dysphoria nor the feeling that she was assigned the wrong gender at birth/ terrible feeling that comes from being born the wrong gender basically. But she says she is trans just because she wants to. mostly like that she wants to transition as a woman because she'd just likes it more I guess. So like she is going trough the process of changing her body and everything just because she wants to and not because she has gender dysphoria etc. Although I find this to be quite weird too and such, it doesn't rly harm anyone so I am kinda fine with it.
Since you put yourself out there, I hope a couple (possibly dumb) questions won't hurt: What did trans people do before modern medicine could aid in transitioning and with surgery? What would you have done?
@@revelationreflection they just couldn’t like usually medically transition because hormones and gender reassignment surgery weren’t rly a thing. So this just like didn’t. But they would it they could. But tbh might seems harsh but if it were me during that time I probably would have killed myself to be quite frank.
@@revelationreflection they mostly just presented themselves as the gender they identify as (aka the clothes and shit). Either that or they lived closeted
Right, you don't have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Though, I don't think they're choosing to be trans, like the feelings of "because she wants to" isn't a choice.
Now whether or not someone decides to transition, or change how they present themselves socially, or other aspects of their life? Sure, but that's separate from the feelings being there in the first place. Much like someone being attracted to the same sex. You don't choose to have that attraction, but you can make a choice to never engage in it.
Now when it comes to those choices? Well, for some people it gets to the point where there can be serious consequences on their mental health if they don't do something about it, like transitioning. When you have severe dysphoria, does transitioning really become a choice? Well you could argue "no". It becomes a medical/mental necessity. Nothing would be a choice for those people. For the trans people that don't have dysphoria? Well you could argue they have a choice to not transition.
Does that mean they're choosing to be trans or not? No. I think that's an important distinction to make.
@@Avenger222 Out of this whole big mess of a comment section, you've got the best take on all this stuff I've seen so far.
100% because it's trendy. 20 years from now people are going to look back on this decade in utter disgust and disbelief..
What game is this?
I mean it's all right in the name "social construct", not "personal construct".
The problem is that trans people and trans allies both agree that gender is socially constructed but the also deny the socially constructed definition of what gender is ..
@Totally Serious Person I have no idea what point you're making. No one is "in control" of defining a social construct aside from the researchers who first describe them.
@@AnimeFan9833 Well, no, the researches take a descriptive role here, not constructive. What they're getting at is conspiratorial, suggesting that social constructs are defined in a monolithic manner. Social constructs are more like the mean of societal expectation and are influenced independently by many parts of a person's life. They are likely to receive pressure from their parent's, their religious organization (if any), their educational institution, their peers, etc... to conform to expected social roles and behaviors. @Totally Serious Person makes what sounds like a very silly argument... that if those pushing social constructs were more lax and accepted less rigid social constructs, and that made things turn out differently, then that would somehow make existing power structures totally blameless? That line of reasoning seems to make no sense. Ah... until we get to the end of it, "in defining what they socially agree as socially acceptable." There is the implicit assumption there that all ideas of what is socially acceptable are equally good or valid, which I would argue isn't true. You've wrongly assumed that might makes right simply because the outcome is arbitrary rather than a universal truth. Might certainly makes a result, and that can be a different result, that doesn't say anything about which results are better or worse than others. Since some results are worse than others, we absolutely can fault the majority when they make choices that lead to bad results.
@Brutus Lugo That isn't the problem you make it sound like it is. Simply because something is socially constructed doesn't make it right/correct/good. Just because they point out that gender is a social construct doesn't in any way mean they should accept the "socially constructed definition of what gender is." The latter sounds like you're just saying we don't define words in our language in a vacuum so they should accept the definition of gender that links it explicitly to sex because that is how it is used by many people? Definitions aren't permanent though. I would expect they should try to change the latter definition. As for the former, well even gender as a social construct is in constant flux. Remember, more woman are graduating than men now. Tons of women are in the workplace, etc... Social constructs are not set in stone and need not all be "accepted." That doesn't mean they don't hold real power though, the process of bucking them can have all kinds of consequences (e.g. social ostracism).
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And so the terf arc begins.
Destiny explaining RGRs arguement with demon mama
i think it's more a situation of how you frame it. in some ways people might say it's a choice in the sense that you're making a choice in your life that will lead to more ultimate happiness and enjoyment, whereas some people would frame it that it wasn't a choice because otherwise you'd be miserable. and it definitely gets more complicated the more you break it down. is it a choice to go by they/them? technically i could say both yes and no to this depending on the context. i think people are just young and taking their cues from others on how to explain things and it's getting a bit muddy, i do think, generally, you know how to talk about it more than others.
The otherkin won this debate
At risk of being called a bigot, you just cant be something just because you say you are that thing. Categorizations exist for valid reasons, obstructing that would ruin the field of statistics entirely. We would never have accurate data again
9:43 how does it make Terf arguments stronger at all? Does it make them any more correct statistically??
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I think anyone that has been on Tumblr and seen the otherkin and the headmates and the random pronouns associated with that realizes that there is some level of trend seeking here. There's a real condition of gender dysphoria, but I don't think nearly everyone that calls themselves non-binary or transgender has it.
Some trend seeking people have kids
@@instantregret7858 People that claimed to have multiple personality disorder... not a very common disorder outside of television.
Wait when did destiny come out as non-binary? Is that a thing or is he using that as an example for this conversation-
I can't remember when exactly but it was in the last couple of months for sure
Noti gang
10:45 on second thought i do agree with rem here. he's being a good friend too. it's just human stupidity and even though destiny is right that those are terf arguments, and that they are technically saying that they chose to be trans in a sense, this is not a hill you want to climb on, claiming that they actually live their own position.
i was curious who this person was and apparently i have them blocked lmao
who asked ?
They are trying not to police identity. But in reality, no one who identifies as trans does it without reason.
I think most people slip up on the term gender identity. It doesn't refer to how you identify to others but rather your sense of self in relation to gender/sex.
Also as someone who tried to live in denial for over 20 years, it most definitely is not a choice.
the way i understand it, being trans is not a choice but how that transness manifests and gets presented is a choice
Lol one of the few times destiny's channel posts a link to another content creator in TH-cam & the link doesn't C:
Aww shit that beginning....ive had this convo so many times and yes I was called a terf lol
Yeah, it's obvious you're a terf, dude.
@@Kevin-zv6ds ok nigga, and?
@@Kevin-zv6ds literally not a terf
Is Destiny unironically saying he is non binary now? Is there a video or clip that explains his reasoning for this as he also unironically says being trans isn’t a choice because I really have not seen anything that would make me think he is not categorically male and it makes absolutely no sense from the outside looking in.
I was thinking the same thing, even went on the subreddit to see if it had been addressed and I didn't see anything
It's a meme lol
He said in a stream in December that he could easily identify as non-binary because he doesn't really consider being male an aspect of his identity, but he also said that he didn't think there was a practical reason to identify as non-binary if he still presented the same and used he/him pronouns. It seems like he could go either way in terms of his gender identity (male or non-binary), but it seems like the reason he started to identify as non-binary right now is to trigger far left people who call him transphobic.
@@TheHeartlessHeroes perfect synopsis
What game is that ?
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man terfy talk takes me back to going to the candyshop as a kid, wall to wall in juicey terfys
This is some shit that only happens on twitter
OMG Destiny finally getting it?
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Hmm, isn't gender expression by definition a choice? As much as choice exists. You are choosing to express yourself in the way that both reflects your own understanding of yourself and how you want others to treat you. I think it's fine for people to express themselves in ways that makes them feel most comfortable and fulfilled, but I don't see how it wouldn't be a choice. To not be considered a choice I would need it described as "I'm physically compelled to be acknowledged by society as my chosen gender". Maybe somebody can make an argument that makes sense why gender expression wouldn't be a choice (again, as much as choice exists).
The 'genderfuck' and androgyny fashion movements by artists and fashionistas that started in the 80s and has continued to modern times is very different from my understanding of trans people who experience dysphoria. It's the difference between someone saying "i'll choose to wear a pink dress today because no one can force me not to," versus "i will feel really bad about myself if i wear this dress because it is not correlating to the gender expression i feel most comfortable in."
Neither is more or less valid in their desires than the other, but the trans person for whom it is painful to dress in certain ways is more compelled in their 'choices.'
The type of choice you describe there is a meaningless one. Thats the same as saying sexual expression is a choice because you choose who you fuck. While you choose your gender expression, it doesnt mean you choose who you identify as.
labeling yourself gay is a choice but being gay effectively isn't. the issue is that being trans isn't a choice (especially if you secretly believe that it's adults pushing ideology onto children as many conservatives do) but you can call yourself whatever you want. this isn't trans though. calling yourself a rock doesn't make you a rock and it is harmful to pretend like a rock and rock identity are the same.
Yea I mean I could engage in a gay relationship if I wanted to, even just to prove a point, but that doesn't mean I made a choice to be gay. That won't make me gay. Its not a lifestyle choice to not live a lie.
@@wren4077 this one got it
What game is this??
18:52 I don't think anybody is claiming that people can just choose what their wants are and where they come from. I would be extremely interested to see that if they were.
@9:00 okay so this making more since, it's probably within the context of someone's self discovery
Like some people explore gay or lesbian relationships or intimacy, and they may feel like it didn't feel right (same for straight relationships and intimacy) like there could have been multiple reasons why you thought you were straight, and you were to be totally respected as your perceived identity, until the underlying truth was revealed ie (i really don't like straight relationships or I don't really like gay relationships or neither or both)
It's not a rejection of the underlying scientific reality, it's a statement that we should respect people's best *hypothesis* for who they are.
I'd probably argue or explain that the "choice" is probably to act upon that "transness".
(in quotes because i dont know if it can be worded like that)
That's the point being made.
If you're trans, aren't you born that way? And if people are not born that way, they made a choice.
Destiny is pointing out, this middle ground doesn't//wouldn't//shouldn't exist.
Personally, I do think some people choose, but that isn't to say actual trans people exist.
That doesn't solve the problem. If you can choose not to "act trans" then the argument would be "just choose to not act trans lmao". Trans people argue that they have worse life outcomes because of the bullying and stigma they suffer as a trans person. But if trans people can choose not to act on their "transness", they can avoid all of that by not "acting trans". These arguments come up because we don't actually know why people are trans. It may be a choice, genetic, socialized, or a combination of all three. Until we can figure that out, it'll be really hard to convince anyone.
@@yining200 that's just not how it works..... You could make the same argument for gay people and tell them not act on their gayness, cause they are also are making the choice to act on that.
Not acting upon something you feel that is totally you is usually worse than just sticking through something just because it's the norm. I feel many people think this way about a job, career choice, etc, what if they could and "should" stick to a normal job or something, but they really wish to be an artist, sure they can stick through a normal job perhaps, but they would not be fulfilled at all.
Again I dont think you guys are pointing out the same thing I am, but maybe I worded it badly, I tend to do that. Also I'm cis, so not fully aware of every nuance.
@@jasontaylor4802 I am saying they are probably born that way and many just suppressed it because of society. So acting upon it just means being able to be their true self.
Again I am not the right person to argue for this because im cis het, but I think society does have a say in what is visible. But I dont know, I may be wording all of this super badly and I'm not speaking for anyone, I was just wondering because I feel that "middleground" is just failing to see how it is not the same type of choice as the one you are referring to, I also feel destiny missed this. Hopefully I could actually somewhat express myself.
Anyone else saw this appear right in this FEEEED?
considering how much goes into gender, internal and external, performance, etc. I understand why the choice aspect could be difficult to understand for people especially if you would say why would you make that choice, becuase we ought to live the way we want with all the obvious caveats rather then caring about what ostracization we will get from bigots and assholes.
Absolute state of the modern world
So true
Lol it's just leftie twitter plz don't feel doomer
@@SweetCake8 its just twitter period
Relax boi
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Lemee make it simple. Gender is real in the same way that a chair is real. I’m sitting on a chair right now and it feels pretty real, but if I try to interrogate or “deconstruct” what makes it a chair it falls apart. Because language doesn’t have the 1 to 1 correspondence to things the way we’d like it too. Same thing with purple. If we could both transpose what we think of when someone says purple onto a piece of paper, we’d end up with two different “purples”. We all think we know what a woman is but when we try to define it we see that we can’t actually find a “common thread” there’s no “every woman does x” “every woman feels x” “every woman has x”. We have the same thing with trans people. Destiny 100% knows where to find me if he wants to talk further but this time I’d request he drink some coffee first so I don’t get Sleepstiny.
Destiny has literally made the exact same claim/argument using car as an analogy. If there's any disagreement it's about requiring an underlying authentic state of being vs. it being an arbitrary choice.
A woman is an adult female human. It's pretty simple. The same way we don't argue the fact that humans have 10 toes by pointing at people with genetic mutations ending up with 11 or cripples with less. Doesn't make them not human but doesn't invalidate the statement because only the most autistic nitpickers would prefer having to constantly debate, argue, question and clarify well understood concepts rather than having a functioning society.
@@harambe4267 This isn't true. it is the social identity/category we associate with the female sex, but not actually the female sex.
apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/bias-free-language/gender
@@ellewilliams5162 Ah yes, the same APA that said traditional masculinity is inherently harmful and the prescribed cure seems to be to turn men into women, I'll pass.
@@harambe4267 Gonna need a source on that one chief.
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I remember when someone asked Destiny why if the main goal would be the destruction of gender they used claims like "they were born in a diffrent body" and he said that's bc its easier from the mass public to understand, now the goals have changed??? I'm not sure where he changed his perspective on this.
Not to speak for Destiny but I think that's assuming a lot about society. People are actually REALLY accepting of irregular forms of gender expression. Look at James Charles for instance. Assuming that society just "isn't ready" for the destruction of gender as it relates to cultural norms is just wrong in my opinion.
@@keggerous well from how i see it people only accept irregular form of gender expression of it's under the pretence of something else. for e.g; people wouldn't care abt James Charles wearing makeup and all cuz he's gay, but if a straight guy wore makeup, alotta people would assume them to be gay or call them sus or whatever. i.e letting men wear makeup under the pretence that their gay.
or when harry styles wore a dress or something and everyone got mad. it wasn't done under any pretence other than a dude wearing a dress, which got people mad.
well that's just how i look at it, sorry if it sounds stupid still working on my views
I started watching Destiny because of his debates with Vaush and, after he took him to the mat a couple times, I realize that most of Destiny's opinions are better.
3:20 Destiny would have absolutely demolished those solar panels at that speed.....
what game is this
@@danielmacedo5996 Dyson Sphere Program
@@danielmacedo5996 its Dyson Sphere Project... I know it doesn't actually model physics like that but he went straight into those poor solar panels at 0.3 AU which would have probably caused at least a small crater....
As someone who enjoys things like Space Engineer its just so anxiety inducing to see people in space games do stuff like that.
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FerociouslySteph's said she is not otherkin, just a "regular" ass furry.
So many of these comments are anti trans and I don't have the energy to address any of them... Just please be respectful to others and their identity. Don't say it's a fad. Don't say I should be treated like a schizophrenic patient.
@Chris Lando So you started by saying that there is a "strong argument", but then go on to say "...makes me feel like...". Out of curiosity do you think being gay is also a fad? Your arguments work for that as well.
Ultimately as society becomes more accepting of certain ideas people will try to reflect on themselves and understand things differently. Is the topic of conversation mostly on trans people these days? sure. Is it something that we haven't figured out with regards to certain legal practices and so the news covers it more? yes. Does that make it a fad in the sense that it is being addressed more now then in other times? possibly. I think what you're saying though is that BEING trans is a fad which I would disagree with. It's possible that there are more parents who will attribute their child with having gender dysphoria, but ultimately it still comes down to both the doctor and the parent to decide if the kid needs it. Even if a kid says they have some discomfort and a parent wants them to immidiately start hormones they would still have to have at least a year with a medical therapist or psychiatrist to diagnose them. So just willy nilly perscribing things isn't exactly happening either, though maybe people are more willing to start the process they still need all of the approvals they always did.
@Chris Lando Increased exposure in media will do that. You can find studies about this.
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Lmao the first time I engaged with these arguments was when I joined a trans Facebook page thinking I'd find relatable memes but instead it was a bunch of people validating eachother's incoherent identities. "Nonbinary women" who prefer he/him pronouns and call themselves lesbians. There were also some "ftm lesbians" in there... I said that it would be hella invalidating to transition and still be called a woman or associate with lesbianism as a guy and they called me transphobic for invalidating ppl 😐 Somebody asked if it was okay to call themselves a lesbian when their partner is a trans guy and they said "you can identifying however you want to uwu 🥰" I....
It literally just comes across as people with personality quirks LARPING as genders or orientations or something. Its honestly cringy asf.
I mean, you were on facebook.
@@idontgetthejoke4813 yikes, good point
What is this game he is playing ?
Did Rems voice get deeper?
Wow holy fuck. This video made me genuinely realize that I had been using the concept that you can choose your gender to actively mask the fact that I am suppressing my own desires to step outside of my gender constraints, despite already knowing and interacting sometimes with that side of myself, just not as much as I honestly should allow. Thanks for talking about this kinda thing openly, and its really interesting to hear that you are NB.
They're asking you to prove a negative. They need to prove that someone _does_ choose.
Maybe I dont know as much about gender as I thought I did. I'm confused af 😣
Interesting topic of discussion. Gender isn't a choice, but the only way we have of determining it is by expression, which is a choice, thus giving the illusion that it might be a choice.
If you don't want to identify as a man or woman it's ok. I just don't get why people get mad when somebody asks or can't tell right off the bat what you want to be refered to as.
Because it can be used as a power play. There's an advantage in terms of social currency to getting outraged at perceived slights
I missed Rem, I'm glad the conversation was long enough to make this many videos with him.
'Gender' is a perception and therefore highly influenced by the social construct of what constitutes 'feminine' and 'masculine'. Then again 'beauty' is also to a large degree a perception-based social construct; people can influence whether they are percieved as beautiful to a certain degree - but can they chose not to WANT to be beautiful? Not easy to answer - but same as 'ugliness' isn't a desease, TG-ism isn't one either. Also, since TG-ism cannot be 'diagnosed' as it's not a medical condition, anyone can claim they are TG, same as anyone can claim they are ugly or beautiful (whether that lines up with societal perception is a different story in all these cases).
Then on the other side, you have T-sexuality, which most people do not understand is something different. TS' are not comfortable with their sex 'male' or 'female' (i.e. males that want to be able to birth children). As we cannot (yet) modify our genes / chronosomes, T-sexuality is still /must be considered a desease/dysphoria that requires treatment. TS is a medical condition that CAN be diagnosed i.e. through brain scans.
So, when someone says they are 'trans', first it needs to be establisjed whether they are 'gender' or 'sex' trans (or both). It doesn't help that we use these terms incorrectly all the time and that we use umbrella terms like "T woman" and "T man"..
This should be on r/self-aware
Why does the conversation on a person’s right to gender expression constantly come back to the bathroom argument. Why hasn’t anyone brought up that it’s weird in general going to the bathroom with anyone else? Why not just have private bathrooms for individuals. Why does gender expression have to be tied to issues of privacy?
Because it plays on people's fears by using the stereotype of men as predators (I'm not saying trans women are men, but the people using those arguments are trying to frame it that way).
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Genuine question; what is there that cannot be described as socially constructed? I mean this specifically for someone who declares themselves a social construcatvist.
What game is he playing here?