Thanks! Really appreciate it. I’ve used 2 modules for many years, but never 2 flagships, and I’ve never done the full kit via midi as I now have. This set-up is a whole new beast! Super satisfied with what I’m getting.
I'm hearing you, and that is why I was so excited about the Alesis Strata Prime kit. It uses VST's and sounds amazing but what killed the deal was the lack of dedicated outputs for multi-tracking. If their next version has the additional outputs, that will be my next kit.
Have you played the Strata? I had an opportunity a short while back. Personally, I found the sounds a bit flat and uninspiring. I also found dead spots on the snare pad. I discussed with the store’s eKit Rep, and he assured me it was dialed in and set up correctly. Great shop…this was NOT a Guitar Center, so I fully trusted his word. Personally, I think Alesis is headed the right way, but I think other kits are a smarter investment.
@@dennisagresti9367 No, I have not actually played them, seems like every music store has shut down so there is hardly any place left to try instruments in person. But really I think I'm of a different mindset. While most people are attempting to make edrums sound like real acoustic drums I want just the opposite. I want edrums that sound just like the drums I hear in popular recordings, most of which are so heavily processed that they sound nothing like the drums that were actually used in the recording.
@@UtwoBed I'd say just spend as much time as possible listening online to as many diff recordings as possible -- music stores & home studios. Listen with good headphones. You'll get a good idea if the module is right for you. I'm more of a Roland guy, but I'd happily buy a Yamaha DTX 10, too, because the DTX10 and the higher end Roland modules like the 27/50/50X/71 have extensive editing capabilities. You can make them sound nearly any way you can imagine
I have my V71 ordered, waiting on it to get in stock in EU. I have a TD50X and I agree with how sound changes over time, I love eDrumWorkshop kits, they're fantastic and they really filled a bit of a void in the TD50X for me. A lot of people hate that Roland sound that TD27/TD50 has. But one day, I just felt a bit bored of the kits from Luke and started playing some TD50X kits, fell in love with them again! Got addicted to using them, then after a while I got bored, went back to eDrumWorkshop kits and it just makes you more excited to play again... it feels new all over! I imagine it's the same with the V71. From demos I've heard, I found the cymbal demos to sound a bit more natural as well as toms. Have you downloaded many kits from the cloud and do you think the cloud kits are higher quality to justify subscriptions? You're tempting me to keep my TD50X but I really wanna sell it to recoup the costs as I bought the new digital snare too lmao
My initial intention was the same as you - sell my 50X to recoup my costs. But a few drummers on FB recommended I try midi-ing both together. That idea intrigued me, and I must say, I'm having a blast mixing the new 71 kits with many of my faves from my 50X. I have 6 diff sound packs on my 50X - 3 from Vex, 2 Edrum Workshop and 1 Drum-Tec. They're all different. I also have about a third of my 100 kits 'stock' Roland kits, but I constantly cut/paste pieces of kits together, so at this point all 100 kits have been highly edited and mix/matched. On my 71, I've only downloaded some free 'legacy' TD50/X/TD30' kits Roland offers on Cloud. At this point I don't have a need to add others, nor do I want/need SoundWorks, as I still have so much exploring to do with my midi set-up. I haven't even used SD3/EZD3 since getting the 71, so connecting my laptop to the 71 will be next.
@@dennisagresti9367 Gotcha! I'm hyped for my setup but the first thing I will do with a new module before diving under the hood is to see what default kits they have on the module, then upload some free ones with the free 6 month subscription to SoundWorks you get after purchasing the module. Well... Now that I think about it, I don't know if it's only free with a purchase of the VAD716 kit or does it come with the module too! Guess I'll find out :D Did you get some code for soundworks with your module?
@@Zursen Yesf, I have the code. I played a DWe kit in a local shop a few months ago for a bit, so I have some hands on with SW. I own SD3, EZD3 and some expansion packs. Honestly, I’m 110% satisfied with my VST’s and I just have no need or desire to add SW to my laptop. When I want/need a VST, I have what I need.
Hi Dennis. Do you know if the V71 will work with Alesis pads and cymbals, like the Strike Pro SE?? Is there a setting in the v71 that allows you to select Alesis pads and cymbals?? Thanks
I’m not sure. My guess is yes, the Alesis pads will work. How well, I have no idea. Might be a good question to post on eDrum forum sites or on FB eDrummer groups. All Roland modules only have Roland pad types in their trigger settings.
Great video brother. I must admit, they 71 sounds much better to my ear. However, i have been using Steven Slate Drums for my VAD 504. I love these samples. They are the sounds i have been searching for.
Thanks for the kind words! Appreciate you watching. I use SD3 and EZD3, but I haven't touched my VST's since buying the 71. I'll be connecting them to the 71 this week and will most likely post a video.
I love your content. IMHO, the Pearl Mimic pro is like a VST in a box, whereas the Roland is not. They are very different from a platform perspective. The PMP editing is like a studio/VST, where you edit microphones in the virtual studio. With the Roland you edit sounds, so to speak.
Thanks for the kind words. I researched the PMP for YEARS....came VERY close to buying one a few times, so I know exactly what you're talking about. High regards for that module. The thing that held me back is I use VST's when I want 'real', and I have my VST set-up (finally) dialed in so I have no noticeable latency and it sounds great to my ear. I actually cut out a segment of this vid where I talked about the Mimic, but decided to keep this focused on the 71/50X. All that said, I also came VERY close to buying the Yamaha DTX Pro X, and truth told, I think at some point I'll swap out my 50X for the Yamaha. 1) the PMP is discontinued...Slate is focused on other things and 2) to my ear, the Yamaha X has some of the best real sounds in a module I've ever heard. I owned the original DTX Pro, so I'm very aware of its' sounds....the X is the big brother of the Pro, has midi in/out, and Yamaha just released a V2 upgrade. IMO my 50X, while I love it, is too close to my 71 --- and that's how I thought about the PMP: it's too similar to my edited 50X in many ways, whereas I think that having a combo of a flagship Roland and the flagship Yamaha midi'd together will provide me a HUGE palette of sounds and textures to choose from.
Good and useful video, thank you! The new v71 module finally has a natural sound of real toms! The toms on the td 50x are garbage, a tragedy in three acts! If you have a home studio, the td50x with superior drummer 3 is a perfect combination! Then you don't need the v 71! But if you play gigs, you must have the v71 because the toms' sounds are not plastic !
Amazing content superb work the thing is yes vst have come a long run but the can replace a Roland especially high end module the durability of their hardware is amazing pair that with the endless optimization the you can get especially in the high end kits and the levels of latency compared to a vst program or a kind of vst module just like the mimic pro Roland maybe they pricey but especially in the high ends kit's the have no competition in any aspect the good news is now we have so much good mid range electronic drum kits especially compared to what we have at that category 10 year's ago and maybe this is where the sweet spot is going to the future and maybe this is where Roland should pay more or even attention that the pay for their high end line up of their v drum's.
I’ve never heard machine gunning from the 50 or the 50X, except the ‘synthetic’ toms (the processed toms such as the ‘plugged’ toms, the Simmons, 808, 909, etc)
@@dennisagresti9367 Hey Dennis, I remember on the TD50 if you played fast 16th's on the toms, especially the bigger toms, it sounded quite unnatural. A bit like machine gunning.
@@bigangryskies Never found that. I bought the 50 in 2016 and upgraded it to the X in 2021. On the 'natural' drum sounds, first off and most importantly, you need to tweak the settings of each of the triggers to how YOU play - trigger type, sensitivity, threshold, velocity curve type, etc. If you don't do that, you will most likely have far less dynamics and you very well could have more machine-like responses. I can play my kit exactly the same way I play an acoustic kit, and it responds exactly like I want it to
I tend to agree with you. BUT, I understand that sounds are subjective. If I'm honest, most days I leave my kit after playing a while and think "this sounds freakin' amazing...", while occasionally, other days I leave the kit and search for other sounds --- a diff module, a new VST expansion, sound packs, etc. Now that I have this set-up of 2 modules midi'd, AND I own SD3 & EZD3, I have my hands (and ear) full for quite a while
Respectfully disagree. Sound is subjective, but I've owned a dozen or so modules and I own and use SD3 & EZD3 --- the V71 is miles ahead of any module I've ever used. The sounds are so rich, I've barely touched my VST's since getting it. To each their own, but to me, Roland hit this one out of the park
Thanks for posting this. Interesting sounds with the combined modules. It’s a great time to be a drummer!
Thanks! Really appreciate it. I’ve used 2 modules for many years, but never 2 flagships, and I’ve never done the full kit via midi as I now have. This set-up is a whole new beast! Super satisfied with what I’m getting.
where did you get yours
Edrumcenter. Erik is the best!!
The V71 sounds excellent.
I'm hearing you, and that is why I was so excited about the Alesis Strata Prime kit. It uses VST's and sounds amazing but what killed the deal was the lack of dedicated outputs for multi-tracking. If their next version has the additional outputs, that will be my next kit.
Have you played the Strata? I had an opportunity a short while back. Personally, I found the sounds a bit flat and uninspiring. I also found dead spots on the snare pad. I discussed with the store’s eKit Rep, and he assured me it was dialed in and set up correctly. Great shop…this was NOT a Guitar Center, so I fully trusted his word. Personally, I think Alesis is headed the right way, but I think other kits are a smarter investment.
@@dennisagresti9367 No, I have not actually played them, seems like every music store has shut down so there is hardly any place left to try instruments in person. But really I think I'm of a different mindset. While most people are attempting to make edrums sound like real acoustic drums I want just the opposite. I want edrums that sound just like the drums I hear in popular recordings, most of which are so heavily processed that they sound nothing like the drums that were actually used in the recording.
@@UtwoBed I'd say just spend as much time as possible listening online to as many diff recordings as possible -- music stores & home studios. Listen with good headphones. You'll get a good idea if the module is right for you. I'm more of a Roland guy, but I'd happily buy a Yamaha DTX 10, too, because the DTX10 and the higher end Roland modules like the 27/50/50X/71 have extensive editing capabilities. You can make them sound nearly any way you can imagine
I have my V71 ordered, waiting on it to get in stock in EU. I have a TD50X and I agree with how sound changes over time, I love eDrumWorkshop kits, they're fantastic and they really filled a bit of a void in the TD50X for me. A lot of people hate that Roland sound that TD27/TD50 has. But one day, I just felt a bit bored of the kits from Luke and started playing some TD50X kits, fell in love with them again! Got addicted to using them, then after a while I got bored, went back to eDrumWorkshop kits and it just makes you more excited to play again... it feels new all over! I imagine it's the same with the V71. From demos I've heard, I found the cymbal demos to sound a bit more natural as well as toms. Have you downloaded many kits from the cloud and do you think the cloud kits are higher quality to justify subscriptions?
You're tempting me to keep my TD50X but I really wanna sell it to recoup the costs as I bought the new digital snare too lmao
My initial intention was the same as you - sell my 50X to recoup my costs. But a few drummers on FB recommended I try midi-ing both together. That idea intrigued me, and I must say, I'm having a blast mixing the new 71 kits with many of my faves from my 50X. I have 6 diff sound packs on my 50X - 3 from Vex, 2 Edrum Workshop and 1 Drum-Tec. They're all different. I also have about a third of my 100 kits 'stock' Roland kits, but I constantly cut/paste pieces of kits together, so at this point all 100 kits have been highly edited and mix/matched. On my 71, I've only downloaded some free 'legacy' TD50/X/TD30' kits Roland offers on Cloud. At this point I don't have a need to add others, nor do I want/need SoundWorks, as I still have so much exploring to do with my midi set-up. I haven't even used SD3/EZD3 since getting the 71, so connecting my laptop to the 71 will be next.
@@dennisagresti9367 Gotcha! I'm hyped for my setup but the first thing I will do with a new module before diving under the hood is to see what default kits they have on the module, then upload some free ones with the free 6 month subscription to SoundWorks you get after purchasing the module. Well... Now that I think about it, I don't know if it's only free with a purchase of the VAD716 kit or does it come with the module too! Guess I'll find out :D Did you get some code for soundworks with your module?
@@Zursen Yesf, I have the code. I played a DWe kit in a local shop a few months ago for a bit, so I have some hands on with SW. I own SD3, EZD3 and some expansion packs. Honestly, I’m 110% satisfied with my VST’s and I just have no need or desire to add SW to my laptop. When I want/need a VST, I have what I need.
@2:47 - well said. The V71 is not at VST level of sound quality, but agreed that it is a solid step up from the 50x in quality and in depth.
That last bit sounded crazy
Hi Dennis. Do you know if the V71 will work with Alesis pads and cymbals, like the Strike Pro SE?? Is there a setting in the v71 that allows you to select Alesis pads and cymbals?? Thanks
I’m not sure. My guess is yes, the Alesis pads will work. How well, I have no idea. Might be a good question to post on eDrum forum sites or on FB eDrummer groups.
All Roland modules only have Roland pad types in their trigger settings.
Great video brother. I must admit, they 71 sounds much better to my ear. However, i have been using Steven Slate Drums for my VAD 504. I love these samples. They are the sounds i have been searching for.
Thanks for the kind words! Appreciate you watching. I use SD3 and EZD3, but I haven't touched my VST's since buying the 71. I'll be connecting them to the 71 this week and will most likely post a video.
I love your content. IMHO, the Pearl Mimic pro is like a VST in a box, whereas the Roland is not. They are very different from a platform perspective. The PMP editing is like a studio/VST, where you edit microphones in the virtual studio. With the Roland you edit sounds, so to speak.
Thanks for the kind words. I researched the PMP for YEARS....came VERY close to buying one a few times, so I know exactly what you're talking about. High regards for that module. The thing that held me back is I use VST's when I want 'real', and I have my VST set-up (finally) dialed in so I have no noticeable latency and it sounds great to my ear.
I actually cut out a segment of this vid where I talked about the Mimic, but decided to keep this focused on the 71/50X. All that said, I also came VERY close to buying the Yamaha DTX Pro X, and truth told, I think at some point I'll swap out my 50X for the Yamaha. 1) the PMP is discontinued...Slate is focused on other things and 2) to my ear, the Yamaha X has some of the best real sounds in a module I've ever heard. I owned the original DTX Pro, so I'm very aware of its' sounds....the X is the big brother of the Pro, has midi in/out, and Yamaha just released a V2 upgrade. IMO my 50X, while I love it, is too close to my 71 --- and that's how I thought about the PMP: it's too similar to my edited 50X in many ways, whereas I think that having a combo of a flagship Roland and the flagship Yamaha midi'd together will provide me a HUGE palette of sounds and textures to choose from.
Good and useful video, thank you! The new v71 module finally has a natural sound of real toms! The toms on the td 50x are garbage, a tragedy in three acts! If you have a home studio, the td50x with superior drummer 3 is a perfect combination! Then you don't need the v 71! But if you play gigs, you must have the v71 because the toms' sounds are not plastic !
Amazing content superb work the thing is yes vst have come a long run but the can replace a Roland especially high end module the durability of their hardware is amazing pair that with the endless optimization the you can get especially in the high end kits and the levels of latency compared to a vst program or a kind of vst module just like the mimic pro Roland maybe they pricey but especially in the high ends kit's the have no competition in any aspect the good news is now we have so much good mid range electronic drum kits especially compared to what we have at that category 10 year's ago and maybe this is where the sweet spot is going to the future and maybe this is where Roland should pay more or even attention that the pay for their high end line up of their v drum's.
Thanks for watching and the comments. Appreciate it
Are you going to post a video with the expansion kits like DW 50th anniversary?
I haven’t downloaded any of them yet. I’ve heard them online, and to my ear they’re not worth the money.
@@dennisagresti9367 Yes Dennis, but 'online' and in 'your own headphone/studio' ...😊
@@Ludo_ATouché!! And true, and maybe I will someday. No need to now. I haven’t even connected my laptop/VST’s to my 71 yet!
I used to have the TD50, one thing that really bothered me was the machine gunning on the toms, is this still the same on the V71? Cheers
I’ve never heard machine gunning from the 50 or the 50X, except the ‘synthetic’ toms (the processed toms such as the ‘plugged’ toms, the Simmons, 808, 909, etc)
@@dennisagresti9367 Hey Dennis, I remember on the TD50 if you played fast 16th's on the toms, especially the bigger toms, it sounded quite unnatural. A bit like machine gunning.
@@bigangryskies Never found that. I bought the 50 in 2016 and upgraded it to the X in 2021. On the 'natural' drum sounds, first off and most importantly, you need to tweak the settings of each of the triggers to how YOU play - trigger type, sensitivity, threshold, velocity curve type, etc. If you don't do that, you will most likely have far less dynamics and you very well could have more machine-like responses. I can play my kit exactly the same way I play an acoustic kit, and it responds exactly like I want it to
These drums all sound fabulous but i prefer PMP cymbals more than anything i have come across that being the td 30 and 50 .
All sounds are freakin great to me, not sure what the anal hype is about!!!!!!
I tend to agree with you. BUT, I understand that sounds are subjective. If I'm honest, most days I leave my kit after playing a while and think "this sounds freakin' amazing...", while occasionally, other days I leave the kit and search for other sounds --- a diff module, a new VST expansion, sound packs, etc. Now that I have this set-up of 2 modules midi'd, AND I own SD3 & EZD3, I have my hands (and ear) full for quite a while
A minor improvement sadly.
Respectfully disagree. Sound is subjective, but I've owned a dozen or so modules and I own and use SD3 & EZD3 --- the V71 is miles ahead of any module I've ever used. The sounds are so rich, I've barely touched my VST's since getting it. To each their own, but to me, Roland hit this one out of the park