Thanks for this Dennis. I just bought an 8 channel mixer (Behringer Flow 8) and will use it like you explained. Where do you find the 'program change' in the menu's? And a question concerning the mixer; do you connect your headphones to the mixer or do you route back from the mixer (out) to the V71 (in) and connect headphones to the 71?
Program change is in the Midi menu. Hit setup -> midi. It’s in there. My headphones are connected to my mixer. All of my sound sources go into the mixer. I monitor everything through my mixer.
Hey Dennis, greetings from the UK. Another good video, this time on the capabilities of midi. I have been using midi for quite a while and link my 50x, TD30 and SPDSX Pro. I have the transmit and receive switched on so that all the kits change at the same time. Only because for live this makes life a lot easier than fumbling around between songs trying to remember which kit fits with another (although I probably have more time than I think waiting for our guitarist as he continues tuning up lol!). Having got so frustrated with the cymbal sounds on the 50x I have reverted to connecting all my cymbals to the TD30 and assigning the midi notes to both modules - it works great so much so that I'm also gonna go back to some of my favourite drum sounds in my TD30 and do the same. I find it a great way to expand the kit and also avoid trying to sample. I have sampled sounds from my SPDSX Pro into my 50x but it hasn't quite felt right when I play it. I probably need to spend more time refining the sample but midi is just quicker and easier imo. One issue that I have come across, and I don't know if this is anything to do with midi, is that occasionally I have had what I can only describe as a machine gun which lasts for about a second or two. I don't know if that is because of the midi set up or something else. But it happened when I had my TD30, TD20 and SPDSX connected as well as when I changed my current set up. Its very random, I can go weeks/months without it happening, but its not great when it happens at a gig! Any ideas?
Great set up!! I’ve never encountered what you’re describing, (and I’m totally guessing here), but in laymen’s terms, it sounds like some kind of ‘midi stutter’. It sounds as if the midi signal is being disrupted, either by something electrical or a midi cable that’s kinked. If it was me, I’d check your electrical connections. I use Furman power strips for my kit. Furman also makes power conditioners. Check them out. Or get new midi cables as they’re not that pricey. Lemme know if either helps! And keep in mind, it’s a total guess on my side. On the other hand, do you use sound packs? I hear you on ‘cymbals in the 50X sound bad’ (and the hats, too, IMO). Alan’s Vex packs are game changers…Armory & Arsenal. Love his work. I also use Chris’ Vault Vex pack (and a few from EDrum Workshop & Drum-Tec)
@@dennisagresti9367 Thanks for your reply Dennis. Your thoughts on the midi problem are similar to ours in that we did wonder if it was an electrical problem. So I'll check those options out and see what happens. I haven't used any sound packs before as I like to tinker with the modules which helps with my learning of their capabilities. But I've seen plenty of good reports about Alan's packs so perhaps I'll give them a go. In the meantime look forward to seeing more of your videos, particularly on how you are settling in with the new module. I'm tempted but I want to see how they bed in first - bound to be some initial issues as there seems to be with any new piece of equipment. All the best.
@@NeilPeartyyz Something to consider: along with the sound packs I've added, I downloaded kits from Roland Cloud for my 50X, some of which are quite good. What I've learned over the years is by looking at the settings from these downloaded and sound pack kits, I've learned a number of 'tricks' that help me with my own editing. I know I sound as if I'm 'selling' these packs, but I can clearly recall back when I owned my TD30 and began installing sound packs. By then I was probably using Vdrums 12+ years, and my mind was blown by how good the module sounded with sound packs. Still a huge fan to this day.
@@dennisagresti9367 Actually that's not a bad place to start and you're right regarding what you can learn from the set up of those sound packs e.g. EQ, EFX etc. This helps then when building up your own kits. You clearly have a wealth of knowledge and experience which is great that you are finding the time to share with others.
Watching this video gives me an idea. Assuming the new hardware isn't any better than the old, How about using the 50X as the master and the V71 as the slave? Someone could save a ton of money by purchasing the V71 module alone, and using their 50X and old pads to trigger the V71 sounds. What do you think about that?
I didn't buy any new pads - just added the 71 module to my rig. The entire kit is/was my 50X kit. Quite frankly it doesn't matter which module you choose as your primary. Just using your main volume and individual sliders is how you blend sounds.
I’ve used 2 hats on my 50X, and although I haven’t done it with the 71 it should work the same. I have the digital hat, and I had a CY5 plugged into one of my aux inputs. I assigned a hat to the CY5. Since the CY5 is assigned as a hat, the module recognizes it, same as your primary hat, so your hi hat foot pedal on the hat stand controls both the primary hat and the aux hat.
@@dennisagresti9367 yeah i do something similar. I assign the midi note of the hi hat to a pad that is connected to my SPDSX Pro. It works exactly as my hi hat on the TD50x
Thanks for this Dennis. I just bought an 8 channel mixer (Behringer Flow 8) and will use it like you explained.
Where do you find the 'program change' in the menu's?
And a question concerning the mixer; do you connect your headphones to the mixer or do you route back from the mixer (out) to the V71 (in) and connect headphones to the 71?
Program change is in the Midi menu. Hit setup -> midi. It’s in there.
My headphones are connected to my mixer. All of my sound sources go into the mixer. I monitor everything through my mixer.
Hey Dennis, greetings from the UK. Another good video, this time on the capabilities of midi. I have been using midi for quite a while and link my 50x, TD30 and SPDSX Pro. I have the transmit and receive switched on so that all the kits change at the same time. Only because for live this makes life a lot easier than fumbling around between songs trying to remember which kit fits with another (although I probably have more time than I think waiting for our guitarist as he continues tuning up lol!).
Having got so frustrated with the cymbal sounds on the 50x I have reverted to connecting all my cymbals to the TD30 and assigning the midi notes to both modules - it works great so much so that I'm also gonna go back to some of my favourite drum sounds in my TD30 and do the same. I find it a great way to expand the kit and also avoid trying to sample. I have sampled sounds from my SPDSX Pro into my 50x but it hasn't quite felt right when I play it. I probably need to spend more time refining the sample but midi is just quicker and easier imo.
One issue that I have come across, and I don't know if this is anything to do with midi, is that occasionally I have had what I can only describe as a machine gun which lasts for about a second or two. I don't know if that is because of the midi set up or something else. But it happened when I had my TD30, TD20 and SPDSX connected as well as when I changed my current set up. Its very random, I can go weeks/months without it happening, but its not great when it happens at a gig! Any ideas?
Great set up!! I’ve never encountered what you’re describing, (and I’m totally guessing here), but in laymen’s terms, it sounds like some kind of ‘midi stutter’. It sounds as if the midi signal is being disrupted, either by something electrical or a midi cable that’s kinked. If it was me, I’d check your electrical connections. I use Furman power strips for my kit. Furman also makes power conditioners. Check them out. Or get new midi cables as they’re not that pricey. Lemme know if either helps! And keep in mind, it’s a total guess on my side.
On the other hand, do you use sound packs? I hear you on ‘cymbals in the 50X sound bad’ (and the hats, too, IMO). Alan’s Vex packs are game changers…Armory & Arsenal. Love his work. I also use Chris’ Vault Vex pack (and a few from EDrum Workshop & Drum-Tec)
@@dennisagresti9367 Thanks for your reply Dennis. Your thoughts on the midi problem are similar to ours in that we did wonder if it was an electrical problem. So I'll check those options out and see what happens. I haven't used any sound packs before as I like to tinker with the modules which helps with my learning of their capabilities. But I've seen plenty of good reports about Alan's packs so perhaps I'll give them a go. In the meantime look forward to seeing more of your videos, particularly on how you are settling in with the new module. I'm tempted but I want to see how they bed in first - bound to be some initial issues as there seems to be with any new piece of equipment. All the best.
@@NeilPeartyyz Something to consider: along with the sound packs I've added, I downloaded kits from Roland Cloud for my 50X, some of which are quite good. What I've learned over the years is by looking at the settings from these downloaded and sound pack kits, I've learned a number of 'tricks' that help me with my own editing. I know I sound as if I'm 'selling' these packs, but I can clearly recall back when I owned my TD30 and began installing sound packs. By then I was probably using Vdrums 12+ years, and my mind was blown by how good the module sounded with sound packs. Still a huge fan to this day.
@@dennisagresti9367 Actually that's not a bad place to start and you're right regarding what you can learn from the set up of those sound packs e.g. EQ, EFX etc. This helps then when building up your own kits. You clearly have a wealth of knowledge and experience which is great that you are finding the time to share with others.
@@NeilPeartyyz Vexpression is holding their annual Black Friday sale now. Best time to try one and save $$. Cheers
Watching this video gives me an idea. Assuming the new hardware isn't any better than the old, How about using the 50X as the master and the V71 as the slave? Someone could save a ton of money by purchasing the V71 module alone, and using their 50X and old pads to trigger the V71 sounds. What do you think about that?
I didn't buy any new pads - just added the 71 module to my rig. The entire kit is/was my 50X kit. Quite frankly it doesn't matter which module you choose as your primary. Just using your main volume and individual sliders is how you blend sounds.
@@dennisagresti9367 Cool
Is there any way i can have two working hihat cc on v71
I’ve used 2 hats on my 50X, and although I haven’t done it with the 71 it should work the same. I have the digital hat, and I had a CY5 plugged into one of my aux inputs. I assigned a hat to the CY5. Since the CY5 is assigned as a hat, the module recognizes it, same as your primary hat, so your hi hat foot pedal on the hat stand controls both the primary hat and the aux hat.
@@dennisagresti9367is there a way i can have two different cc hats ive searched alot it seams not ppssible to do
@@dennisagresti9367 yeah i do something similar. I assign the midi note of the hi hat to a pad that is connected to my SPDSX Pro. It works exactly as my hi hat on the TD50x