Which makes the hatred towards Ei seem all the more unfair, because her choices didn't really lead to any grave consequences at all?? Meanwhile Mavuika is honestly a really irresponsible leader, whose entire nation would have perished if not for the Traveler. People did tests and if Traveler doesn't help at all during the war, the death toll can increase to 90k, and the average player will have a death toll in the thousands. This is all Mavuika's fault for valuing culture over actual lives. I agree with the Captain. It's only because Traveler purified Chasca's sister that she was able to awaken as a hero in the first place. Mavuika had ZERO plan to ensure her people's safety when the Abyss would eventually attack because Ororon awakened. She would have failed miserably, and was lucky Traveler was there to save the day. (Compare that to Folcalors, whose plan was successful regardless of Traveler's interference). Ei might have ordered a strict rule, but she didn't cause a death toll of her own people in the thousands.
I really like that there is no optimal path where you save them all. You can't be everywhere all at once, you're just one person. It really makes you feel powerless in the face of an actual all-out war, it's great
true, this really make me think, is this what happen with my great grandparents during the WW ? TT_TT man....in my case , my option only saved less people TT_TT , im sorry people of natlan TT_TT
Player : "we want our choise is matter in this game" Hoyoverse : "okay, now choose... if you save the NPC in route A, the NPC in route B will be die, and vice versa" Player : "N-No, not like this!!!..."
For me even though Natlan has great music and colorful environment but the vibes of it is so sad (like a mourning someones passing)that I can't even explain when I started the NATLAN journey. 🤔And I was right, this sadness we feel right now in latest AQ and feeling I had in the beginning are the same...😭
You lose more then 500. Cuz scaling rewards based on progression. Lose out on 500 from 5.1. Then the ones in 5.3 cuz cuz you can't even get to that quest line cuz of 5.1 content not being done. And so on and so forth
you still have to do it when the new archon quest releases. You not only lose 500 primos but you have to speedrun 2 archon quests. You can't jump from 5.0 to 5.2 archon quest without doing 5.1
And he was absolutely right when he said how many hundreds or thousands will have to die. Because more than thousands did die, and this was after Mavuika did not fail. Capitano's world isn't based on fate or destiny, he knows disaster and he knows what failure looks like. Natlan was lucky to have the traveller to divert its fate, else natlan would've lost to the abyss like Capitano said.
Dain and Cap yea, Piero doesn't seems much affected to me, he still struck me as a villain who doesn't care much about people, like if he already was bad even before the events of the cataclysm.
@@blackister4768 My guy, Pierro is literally the one who insisted that dabbling with the Abyss is a bad idea but King Irmin rejected his pleas and look what happened.
@@lunix3259 I haven't checked . Story was really immersive.... But my focus was touching every region as much as I could, talk to everyone, aid them and leave the rest to the remaining fighters. Only thing I should not have done is to leave the fatui escort supplies. I thought they are much more capable than other natlan fighters but in the end I found them all dedge... I should have aided them a bit more. For the rest , I avoided casualties as much as I could.
I saved the mother and daughter in this quest and I was deeply saddened by those Fatui who sacrificed to save them.😭 Really wish I can tell Capitano at the end about their heroic sacrifices and honour them.
Even if u save the mother and daughter if ur fast enough u can still save achiyaku (the guard in the village) i have seen this in a streamer's stream named "Hey Raion" then in "doro44"'s stream i saw that during the first wave when u save tepoz if ur fast enough u can still save the messenger. SO GUYS CAN SOMEONE PLS VERIFY THESE CLAIMS AND MAKE A FULL VIDEO on how to have the lowest amount of casualties while saving a good number of npcs
You can save the mother and daughter and Achiyaku together. Iyoba and her child are the choices u gotta make between them + Fatui or the people of springs (Haronga's group with the saurians), while Achiyaku is the choices you make between his group near the Canopy or courier Raman. So if you chose to save Achiyaku's group at first, then chose to help the Fatui and save Iyoba and her daughter, it's plausible that they all going to survive. The ones that won't be saved are Raman and Haronga's group with their saurians (the one with the yumkasaurus whelp left). Unfortunately no matter how fast you are, some loss are inevitable. That's just the nature and horror of war of the story...
Thank you for confirming that reinforcing the Fatui, unlike every other choice made, does not affect future battles. It only affects surviving NPCs at the Stadium/maybe the camp outside the Stadium at the end of Surging Darkness. I kind of wish the Fatui did show up elsewhere thanks to you reinforcing them.
I mean, it kinda fits with the whole narrative surrounding the Fatui Did you complete the Chasm and the optional quests there? The Fatui are expendable and they know it, not meant for recognition.
@@marcinpilarski2412 Yeah, all Fatui soldier, regardless of Harbringer seems to abide by the rule of "execute order for the greater good"+whatever value their harbringer instills into them.
I don't know why but probably this war was the turning point of the story. It was also the reason why outcome differs in each choices.... So far, the story has always been in a straight line but now the story is starting to diverge. The only reason I can think of is because Khaenriah is getting nearer and nearer in achieving their goals.
Additionally, it also tell that Traveler is only one and his choices affect the flow of the story. (Btw, I watched the Genshin Impact 4th Anniversary of CN so I got this kind of mindset about the "choices" here...)
I've noticed too that each nation, the story gets heavier. Even more so here in Natlan. I couldn't believe they dumped so much lore already and we're only in Act 4. The things we also found out in Enkanomiya has become relevant now after 2 years😂
We thought Fontaine was a big step in seriousness with the murder mysteries and impending natural disaster, and then Natlan's like "war is hell, and you are going to experience the trauma and helpessness personally." The inevitable war with Celestia is gonna be nuts... this whole chapter was probably just a beta test for that.
The Abyss is still okay, they attack wildly without a strategy. Imagine a full power attack from the Abyss Order ☠️ a fully strategic invasion led by people like Skirk and the Traveler's Sibling and shit, the nations probably stand no chance. Except for Fontaine, since Focalors defied the Heveanly Principles they'll probably be spared or smth
@@plum6999unless the Heavenly Principles started moving and they nuked Fontaine first for their defiance, or getting mistaken for working with Abyss coz spared
Then, no matter whatever spots we chose to rescue, there will still be casualties and survivors, thus depicting the reality of war where we can save anyone, but we can't save everyone. ☹️
I honestly wish i could've saved the doctor but i figured supplies would be essential and she might have been escorted. That's the only decision i regret. Saved the mother and daughter, supported the fatui but asked them to escort the survivors to the tribe and found the lone baby saurian..
Damn, this is the first time in game where our choices mattered. Every player's playthrough during that event is different, and no matter what, you can't save everyone. It really weighed in the fact that that whole part of the story was a war, with people actually dying.
In natlan I was hoping some 4* and 5* characters would die considering how they were abusing the ode of resurrection. Especially mavuika choosing what people to resurrect and letting them rot in the night kingdom if they lost their life. Natlan is one of the most ironic places ever designed
1:24 If you interact with her, she gets help from the Fatui to go the People of the Springs. Iirc, when the Abyss Tumor fell on the route to the People of the Springs, you can see her body there next to a broken carriage
On the brightside, you had the more immersive experience of a soldier/general needing to make quick decisions with limited information during the chaos and fog of war.
Ok so first I went north, then north again, yet the one green warrior was still alive, the sole survivor at the other location was the baby Saurian, then saved the first Echo group, got the one with more survivors, and I managed to save the doctor mom too, I believe I motivated the guy at 3:51 too, but I forget. Finally, i picked Under Siege in the first wave, so I saved the kid and the red guy. Yeah this quest broke me lmao
Imagine. If in the next Archon quest, Genshin make the quest work like how some daily quest that needed sensitive action (Can't break crates, box or pots and yes like delivery event quest, either you can't run, climb or glide included ) and ofc we can't repeat like how archon quest does and the outcome would be different with how we treat it
Didn't play during version 1, but seeing the TH-cam videos and asking OG players about that pizza delivery event, i gonna agree that it seemed annoying as hell.
as a player since 1.0 maybe all I can say is the recent event is better a bit than before, we used to clear the event using resins, and that food delivery event surely traumatic, especially when the weather suddenly poured, and you're just a meter away from the target XD
Not sure if I missed any dialogs that warned me about decision making but this is honestly too much for me for some reason. I mean its okay to let people make choices and accept your decision but as a player who cares about story (and this kind of choose A lose B) I will definitely be careful with choices I will make if only I had knew this from the start. Hopefully next time Hoyo give us some warning to prepare myself. Also something like Paimon's emergency budget she gave us during Fontaine quest they should have put it as quest item so we don't regret using and keep it forever.
Fair point, but i feel something like a warning prior would heavily decrease the emotional impact of you suddenly finding the choices you made had dire consequences. Especially the immersion of being a soldier needing to make quick decisions with the limited information during chaos and the fog of war. Atleast that's my personal opinion
I think there are direct warnings when you choose the next location, "the result will depend on whether you provide immediate support or not" or something along those lines. There are also subtler warnings like Paimon asking you whether to stay or go to the next places with some level of urgency. Granted, things like this were never taken seriously in the previous quests.
@@weeblordgaming6062 left it afk, and they accrue. Went exploring a bit, then afk, then came back to to explore some more, then afk again, back and forth
First wave i choose south (saving tepoz mother the doctor) Second wave i choose south (the group in near children of echoes left only with 4 people) Third Wave i choose south again saving the group and saurian but lost the mother and child addition in children of echoes with kachina and xilonen are fine able to motivate uturunku
@chigo999 some CN players been testing the limits via afking as long as possible and the highest screenshot numbet of the death count i had seen yet is 114k.
Hoyo : Remember what happened in Fontaine? With Focalors and the people in Poisson? Players : Yes we do Hoyo : Wanna watch me do it again ? But this time your choice will matter. Players : huh? Genshin be slapping people in their face with the "Not too fast honey" again....
- The players who told tepoz they will save his mother IF they encounter her, so it's not their fault IF they didn't encounter her aka didn't chose that particular node because you chose to save the courier Raman instead. But I do saw a youtuber going to the correct node but just rushed off without checking for optional tasks thus missed the chance to save his mother. - About the mother and kid in the north... the choice description didn't mentioned the mother and kid, so players sure won't know they can save them by going north first.
I'm mad because I hated the Abyss so much I just charged head on into every combat encounter without even stopping to help the NPC's. I didn't even know our choices mattered and now I feel like an idiot
I felt bad about a lot of it even when I already researched long and hard enough before playing (didn't wanna get stressed by the emotional damage). And STILL there were moments I felt overwhelmed. Everytime my Arlecchino accidentally set the grass on fire I was crazily switching to Neuvi to put it out and not kill people. Or when those pylons took ages to break. And then for Toto when I couldn't immediately see the NPC there and I felt upset for a moment that I was too slow (It was fine. I was just blind and didn't see the NPC). For all the horror.... it was a frickin awesome one. I ended up with 1991 deaths which I know is higher than the best possible..... sigh, to move on I guess. It was amazing anyways and I don't regret staying till 2 am to finish it😂 Edit : Reading the comments 1991 is not as bad as I thought?! A little relief I suppose even though I made some wrong choices
well hoyo disappointed us by showing nation of war in 5.0 as pokemons but turned the tables in 5.1. Had the quest informed earlier the npc's life depend on us i wouldnot hav left the game in between and played slowly relaxing 💀. Looks like gotta play all next quests srsly or i will kill innocents unknowingly 😂
Only dumb guys was disappointed. Human can get used to any condition. They lived there for many years. They get used to war and they can be happy because it's normal life for them.
Bruhh in this quest my dead count was over 5000, i can't believe how terrible I am . i wasted so much time didn't talk to those npc. It kinda feels bad you know that in my world I lost more npc I can't even do anything to bring those npc back they are literally gone RIP😢
I didn't know my choices could affect that much but I was really anxious and banging my keyboard because I felt like if i took too much time fighting, the figures could go up. I forgot the total casualities afterthe war but damn, I hoped everyone would be revived when mavuika did that. The story don't need to be that immersive. I just want chuychu and others back.
in fact, medic only increase the number of victims... they cannot fight and heal the abyss, they have no use. so the death statistics are only growing stronger
I'm glad to say that I saved Mayahuel. In the 2nd route, you have to choose the Scions of Canopy to be rescued first. And after you destroyed the abysal pylon in that area, you can actually talk to Dr. Mayahuel.
...I don't regret a single choice I made here, looking at this, I did the best I could. It sucks, seeing the outcomes I wasn't able to save (the mother and child, Raman, Kamaka) but I don't regret the people I did manage to save the lives of and see how they were at the end of the game.
Wow I never thought that the choices we make in the game will have effects afterwards.😣 Seeing the number of casualty gives me goosebump all of a sudden.😳 Thanks for sharing this.
I'm proud of my choices, I didn't save the most but in each area I got at least 1 survivor which makes me cope thinking I was helpful to someone instead of finding an area where everyone died
Is it true that you can get softlocked from certain achievements and side quests depending on your choices? Because some people were saying that. But that wouldn't make sense. Hoyo can't just do that. It almost feels like it would go against the rules that China set for games recently or whatever. Idk.
Yeah they won't make you miss contents completely. In Honkai Star Rail there are a lot of cases where if you choose option 1 you got an achievement, if you choose option 2 the story will end up very differently but you still got another version of that achievement. There is one point in the HSR story if you proceed to a main quest first you will forever lost a NPC's side quest, but there will pop a big warning screen if you try that, reminding you the 60 gacha stones you could've gained from it. And this is a very special case because that side quest was originally a main quest, only after people complained about it breaking the flow of the story then Hoyo updated to be a side quest, it's not the original design.
There is a very small chance that something less significant like a special npc dialogue which would give you an artifact/food dish maybe lost. But as you have said, because china laws on monetisation of games, anything that may give premium currency must be accessible for all players (except natlan local legend achievements for those who had skill issue like me lmao). And we all seen with the recent short nevuillete nerf how CN players are quite rapid in reporting and suing hoyo if they break the rules so im sure the devs wouldn't dare to something like this.
The only thing you can miss are chests. In some quests there's a temporary domain and most of the time you can loot between 3-5 chests. Achievements are 100% obtainable, i have everything myself, few can't be obtained right now because its linked to the statue of Natlan and few other things that are time gated since Natlan like each time when a new reagion is released. Other than that, events might have few items that you can miss like a weapon, a free 4* character or whatever they give you.
The only thing I regret is actually I rushed to get out the first area as soon as I could so I didn't get to talk to Uturunku to motivate him. I only figured it later when I was checking some websites for alternate dialogue. I managed to talk with all the other NPCs in other locations afterwards, hoping I didn't miss a single of them.
I hate quests where you get multiple options but non feel good. I'm more of of an person who, when asked which I would hit, people or an tree, say "hit the god dammit break"
NOOO I JUST REALIZED I'M SO FUKING SAD NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I DIDN'T MOTIVATE THE GUY AHHHHHHHHH. At least I could see the mother and son reunited...
@@xoticboi 🤣 I was curious about what would happen if I interact with all of the MPCs And I kind of broke the game 🎮🎯 I went in front of the Dr mpc and then the dialogue started I was also roaming around the area where the purple color Fox was just walking right and left the green color animals were looking at me even though they are lying in one spot however the MPCs were not moving. Sad story 😞 but I was surprised to see so many MPCs at the ending of the story quest 🌟🌟🌟
Ver todos estos videos de la línea de decisiones que otras personas han tomado me hace sentir un tanto mejor, porque significa que en otro universo a quienes no pude salvar si fueron salvados por otros 😢 Aún así esta quest me causa ansiedad TwT
Well I think I saved the most I could. Tepoz's mother, Uturunku, the Under Siege people, all the ones from the Children of Echoes and the saurian crew. The mother and daughter and the courier are really painful but I guess... I guess they are just three after all. That's war for ya.
Darn. I didn't noticed it. So I lost alot of natlan people. I can only remember picking any location because I wasn't prepared for the long battle quest. I didn't expect tjat there's such thing like this so I keep going on archon quest event I'm sleepy (planning to stop once the cutscene ends and move to another cut scene but bru, It's too late when I noticed that I'm inside a temporary map(which making me feel like if I leave, the progress will not be saved and I have to start all over again!). I end up playing with the goal finish this asap so I could sleep. Playing straight forward😂😭 until 5am without looking on other details.
This give me Mass effect or Witcher vibes, your choice actually matter. However I wish they make the difference more prominent, I didn't notice some of the NPC I saved
I went to save the settlement here 0:53 first so had to abandon the children of echoes area on north. During my balloon ride to the south, there was a small scene with Paimon where we noticed from afar; Kinich was running & delivering his letters to somewhere. This is before the black abyss appears on the sky. Is there other such scene where we found playable characters along the way in different paths?
No joke, i was stuck on one of the platforms of the hot air balloon, and had to witness the NPCs fighting on their some hillichurls burning the field. Once i finally got unstuck, i think i managed to save about one or two of them. Way to ruin the immersion for me 😒
I saved more lives in my choices, I saved all of the children of echo guards, I saved the Scions of Canopy group, I saved the group with the dead saurians, and I saved Mayahuel. By count, I saved more lives than making the other choices. However I really felt bad when I knew now that the ones dead are the mother and child after I chose the group with dead saurians. Brooo, I should’ve went for the mother and child 😭😭 but I didn’t know who to save when making the choices 😢 I mean the group with the dead saurians, they are warriors or smth, they could fight and die honorably for Natlan. But the mother and child, are just innocent individuals trapped with no hope under a flooring then they died 😭😭😭 I should’ve went for them instead 😢😢😢
3:31 saved Tepoz's mother 3:37 I don't think I saved him if he's the one where only a baby yumkasaur survived 3:46 saved this mother and daughter 3:49 motivated this guy and I think he survived 3:58 yep there were many ppl in that place 4:02 I don't think I saved them 4:07 didn't save Overall I think I made the right choices
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Players: *complains about player dialogue choices not affecting gameplay*
Hoyo: Oh okay. Which ones do you want dead?
*insert players who likes skipping dialogues*
This war in Natlan makes the civil war in inazuma look like a play date
REAL THO
real😭😭😭
It made the inazuma war look like a slap fight between Sara and Kokomi
Which makes the hatred towards Ei seem all the more unfair, because her choices didn't really lead to any grave consequences at all??
Meanwhile Mavuika is honestly a really irresponsible leader, whose entire nation would have perished if not for the Traveler. People did tests and if Traveler doesn't help at all during the war, the death toll can increase to 90k, and the average player will have a death toll in the thousands.
This is all Mavuika's fault for valuing culture over actual lives. I agree with the Captain.
It's only because Traveler purified Chasca's sister that she was able to awaken as a hero in the first place. Mavuika had ZERO plan to ensure her people's safety when the Abyss would eventually attack because Ororon awakened. She would have failed miserably, and was lucky Traveler was there to save the day. (Compare that to Folcalors, whose plan was successful regardless of Traveler's interference).
Ei might have ordered a strict rule, but she didn't cause a death toll of her own people in the thousands.
@@darklordsatan4383 She still approved the vision hunt decree, and we dont how many people died in the civil war
I really like that there is no optimal path where you save them all. You can't be everywhere all at once, you're just one person. It really makes you feel powerless in the face of an actual all-out war, it's great
It makes me want to make a Natlan TED talk.
"Why everyone needs to become a strong warrior, even the children and baby saurians"
Ivan Drago: if they die, they die
Now I’m too scared to take the quests! 😭 I just wanna save them all! 😭😭😭
Only the strongest person gonna survive
true, this really make me think, is this what happen with my great grandparents during the WW ? TT_TT man....in my case , my option only saved less people TT_TT , im sorry people of natlan TT_TT
Player : "we want our choise is matter in this game"
Hoyoverse : "okay, now choose... if you save the NPC in route A, the NPC in route B will be die, and vice versa"
Player : "N-No, not like this!!!..."
i feel so bad man 😭
"WHAT WE MEANT IS MC'S DIALOGUE TO NOT BE SAME OPTION THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE!! NOT A GODDAMN ANOTHER 50/50!!"
I like it, because, this is how war is
@@NoGankPlss... its not 50/50 its either he dies or they die situation oof
@@Skilled_slayer007 it's 50/50 in life scale. You won't 100 percently choose one over the other, right?
This is a huge slap in the face to all the people that was mocking Natlan for being too colorful for a war nation
Ikr, they judged the game too early.
Yup, the same people who got crazy from racial representation in a frickin fantasy game
@@mark-ut3pm and when they're literally black people in natlan like Pacal and Iansan 💀💀
For me even though Natlan has great music and colorful environment but the vibes of it is so sad (like a mourning someones passing)that I can't even explain when I started the NATLAN journey. 🤔And I was right, this sadness we feel right now in latest AQ and feeling I had in the beginning are the same...😭
Too colorful with war blood
"This isn't an incident Paimon, This is war."
-Traveler, Cooking up with their lines as the protagonist in the Natlan quest.
"this isn't a disaster paimon.. this is a war.." ?
It simple you can save all the people and saurians in natlan if you don't start the natlan archon quest 5.1 and give up the 500 primos
"I'm sorry little one, but I'm close to pity" - Traveler
Wouldn't it be the same outcome even if the reward is smaller?
You lose more then 500. Cuz scaling rewards based on progression. Lose out on 500 from 5.1. Then the ones in 5.3 cuz cuz you can't even get to that quest line cuz of 5.1 content not being done. And so on and so forth
you still have to do it when the new archon quest releases. You not only lose 500 primos but you have to speedrun 2 archon quests. You can't jump from 5.0 to 5.2 archon quest without doing 5.1
You will still have to do it sooner or later
imagine how suffering dain, pierro and captain who cant save their people, its really hurt to see this war result
Sad
And he was absolutely right when he said how many hundreds or thousands will have to die. Because more than thousands did die, and this was after Mavuika did not fail. Capitano's world isn't based on fate or destiny, he knows disaster and he knows what failure looks like. Natlan was lucky to have the traveller to divert its fate, else natlan would've lost to the abyss like Capitano said.
Dain and Cap yea, Piero doesn't seems much affected to me, he still struck me as a villain who doesn't care much about people, like if he already was bad even before the events of the cataclysm.
Look up "Light in the abyss". A fanmade video shows what it really meant to be a citizen in the godless nation
@@blackister4768 My guy, Pierro is literally the one who insisted that dabbling with the Abyss is a bad idea but King Irmin rejected his pleas and look what happened.
As an overly sympathetic and empathetic person who feels horrible for CARTOON CHARACTERS for slipping and stuff, I may never finish this quest..
I went to go take a piss and my death count went from 200 to 1800 😭 now the game making me feel bad for going to the toilet
U at least went to piss, I went to lunch with the game open 💀
the minimum number of victims is 1500 for the entire quest
Don't be, it's just some random npcs lol
@@cottoncandyUwU420 bro how many was your toll 😂
@@lunix3259 I haven't checked . Story was really immersive.... But my focus was touching every region as much as I could, talk to everyone, aid them and leave the rest to the remaining fighters.
Only thing I should not have done is to leave the fatui escort supplies.
I thought they are much more capable than other natlan fighters but in the end I found them all dedge...
I should have aided them a bit more.
For the rest , I avoided casualties as much as I could.
I saved the mother and daughter in this quest and I was deeply saddened by those Fatui who sacrificed to save them.😭
Really wish I can tell Capitano at the end about their heroic sacrifices and honour them.
Same, never thought id be sad to see fatui die
@@weeblordgaming6062 That's because then, they were not Fatui but your brothers in arms.
5.0: this is just baby game👶
5.1: 💀, wth why outside fake sky Teyvat is destroyed
Even if u save the mother and daughter if ur fast enough u can still save achiyaku (the guard in the village) i have seen this in a streamer's stream named "Hey Raion" then in "doro44"'s stream i saw that during the first wave when u save tepoz if ur fast enough u can still save the messenger.
SO GUYS CAN SOMEONE PLS VERIFY THESE CLAIMS AND MAKE A FULL VIDEO on how to have the lowest amount of casualties while saving a good number of npcs
damn even the time also matter ?????
You can save the mother and daughter and Achiyaku together. Iyoba and her child are the choices u gotta make between them + Fatui or the people of springs (Haronga's group with the saurians), while Achiyaku is the choices you make between his group near the Canopy or courier Raman.
So if you chose to save Achiyaku's group at first, then chose to help the Fatui and save Iyoba and her daughter, it's plausible that they all going to survive. The ones that won't be saved are Raman and Haronga's group with their saurians (the one with the yumkasaurus whelp left).
Unfortunately no matter how fast you are, some loss are inevitable. That's just the nature and horror of war of the story...
Thank you for confirming that reinforcing the Fatui, unlike every other choice made, does not affect future battles. It only affects surviving NPCs at the Stadium/maybe the camp outside the Stadium at the end of Surging Darkness. I kind of wish the Fatui did show up elsewhere thanks to you reinforcing them.
I mean, it kinda fits with the whole narrative surrounding the Fatui
Did you complete the Chasm and the optional quests there?
The Fatui are expendable and they know it, not meant for recognition.
@@marcinpilarski2412 Yeah, all Fatui soldier, regardless of Harbringer seems to abide by the rule of "execute order for the greater good"+whatever value their harbringer instills into them.
@@marcinpilarski2412 not yet, I know there's one for the electro cicin mage. I've built up quite a backlog...
@@RitoGooby Katarina
I don't know why but probably this war was the turning point of the story. It was also the reason why outcome differs in each choices.... So far, the story has always been in a straight line but now the story is starting to diverge. The only reason I can think of is because Khaenriah is getting nearer and nearer in achieving their goals.
Additionally, it also tell that Traveler is only one and his choices affect the flow of the story. (Btw, I watched the Genshin Impact 4th Anniversary of CN so I got this kind of mindset about the "choices" here...)
I've noticed too that each nation, the story gets heavier. Even more so here in Natlan. I couldn't believe they dumped so much lore already and we're only in Act 4. The things we also found out in Enkanomiya has become relevant now after 2 years😂
We thought Fontaine was a big step in seriousness with the murder mysteries and impending natural disaster, and then Natlan's like "war is hell, and you are going to experience the trauma and helpessness personally." The inevitable war with Celestia is gonna be nuts... this whole chapter was probably just a beta test for that.
now imagine this a full scale attack of abyss on every nation sound like fun time
Cataclysm be like:
The Abyss is still okay, they attack wildly without a strategy. Imagine a full power attack from the Abyss Order ☠️ a fully strategic invasion led by people like Skirk and the Traveler's Sibling and shit, the nations probably stand no chance. Except for Fontaine, since Focalors defied the Heveanly Principles they'll probably be spared or smth
@@plum6999unless the Heavenly Principles started moving and they nuked Fontaine first for their defiance, or getting mistaken for working with Abyss coz spared
now imagine you have to choose who to save between playable characters, pretty scary :')
Now imagine this 100x worse... Yup! That's Khanreah!
Then, no matter whatever spots we chose to rescue, there will still be casualties and survivors, thus depicting the reality of war where we can save anyone, but we can't save everyone. ☹️
This is the archon quest that you need to pay attention a lot when it comes to your decision making, plus you also need to be fast.
Truly a war
Ngl i was crying because the fatui died saving people only mother and daughter survived.
yeah and that big fatui soldier died on the entrance blocking the monsters from attacking the mom and daughter :(
I honestly wish i could've saved the doctor but i figured supplies would be essential and she might have been escorted. That's the only decision i regret. Saved the mother and daughter, supported the fatui but asked them to escort the survivors to the tribe and found the lone baby saurian..
What a good day to lower my world level to clear the quest faster
Damn, this is the first time in game where our choices mattered. Every player's playthrough during that event is different, and no matter what, you can't save everyone. It really weighed in the fact that that whole part of the story was a war, with people actually dying.
In natlan I was hoping some 4* and 5* characters would die considering how they were abusing the ode of resurrection. Especially mavuika choosing what people to resurrect and letting them rot in the night kingdom if they lost their life. Natlan is one of the most ironic places ever designed
1:24
If you interact with her, she gets help from the Fatui to go the People of the Springs. Iirc, when the Abyss Tumor fell on the route to the People of the Springs, you can see her body there next to a broken carriage
My only regret is that I can't save that one warrior's mother. 😢
If I knew any better I wouldn’t have rushed it and taken my time with this
Not rushing means more casualties overall. Wait for too long and the number of deaths spikes.
On the brightside, you had the more immersive experience of a soldier/general needing to make quick decisions with limited information during the chaos and fog of war.
Ok so first I went north, then north again, yet the one green warrior was still alive, the sole survivor at the other location was the baby Saurian, then saved the first Echo group, got the one with more survivors, and I managed to save the doctor mom too, I believe I motivated the guy at 3:51 too, but I forget. Finally, i picked Under Siege in the first wave, so I saved the kid and the red guy.
Yeah this quest broke me lmao
You're terminally online and should seek help
Imagine. If in the next Archon quest, Genshin make the quest work like how some daily quest that needed sensitive action (Can't break crates, box or pots and yes like delivery event quest, either you can't run, climb or glide included ) and ofc we can't repeat like how archon quest does and the outcome would be different with how we treat it
That would not make it better, it would make it more annoying. Nobody enjoys those missions.
Didn't play during version 1, but seeing the TH-cam videos and asking OG players about that pizza delivery event, i gonna agree that it seemed annoying as hell.
as a player since 1.0 maybe all I can say is the recent event is better a bit than before, we used to clear the event using resins, and that food delivery event surely traumatic, especially when the weather suddenly poured, and you're just a meter away from the target XD
Not sure if I missed any dialogs that warned me about decision making but this is honestly too much for me for some reason. I mean its okay to let people make choices and accept your decision but as a player who cares about story (and this kind of choose A lose B) I will definitely be careful with choices I will make if only I had knew this from the start. Hopefully next time Hoyo give us some warning to prepare myself. Also something like Paimon's emergency budget she gave us during Fontaine quest they should have put it as quest item so we don't regret using and keep it forever.
Fair point, but i feel something like a warning prior would heavily decrease the emotional impact of you suddenly finding the choices you made had dire consequences. Especially the immersion of being a soldier needing to make quick decisions with the limited information during chaos and the fog of war. Atleast that's my personal opinion
I think there are direct warnings when you choose the next location, "the result will depend on whether you provide immediate support or not" or something along those lines.
There are also subtler warnings like Paimon asking you whether to stay or go to the next places with some level of urgency. Granted, things like this were never taken seriously in the previous quests.
Genshin can truly make us Heroes or Villains depending on our choice..and I have become evil
It’s not about hero and evil. This is about the war and consequences
Yeah, I got 99000 casualties 😂
@@KelumKeywar against no one cares npcs
@@impostorsyndrome1350how did u get 99k casualties?
@@weeblordgaming6062 left it afk, and they accrue. Went exploring a bit, then afk, then came back to to explore some more, then afk again, back and forth
Hoyo made us drop our guard before pulling this off...
First wave i choose south (saving tepoz mother the doctor)
Second wave i choose south (the group in near children of echoes left only with 4 people)
Third Wave i choose south again saving the group and saurian but lost the mother and child
addition
in children of echoes with kachina and xilonen are fine
able to motivate uturunku
Which choice was the one to save the family of the baby saurian that appeared in the video?
The quest took longer than expected and I couldn’t pause it and I had to make dinner and use the restroom, the way the number shot up I was 💀
i completely did not save the npcs
Me too :(
me too 😢
Life is nobody knows 😢
Good
same
i feel so bad for not being able to save tepoz's mother 😭
Kinda reminds me of the trolley problem
Or you can just leave the war going on your oc for 80 hours and let the death count get up to 99,999
What? Is that possible? Does fast timing count not just choices?
@@chigo999yep the longer you stall the higher kill count is
@chigo999 some CN players been testing the limits via afking as long as possible and the highest screenshot numbet of the death count i had seen yet is 114k.
@@agiant5715 They REALLY meant it when they said "Emergency" huh? It's a good thing I picked pretty quickly
@@agiant5715Are u guys working for the abyss
Hoyo : Remember what happened in Fontaine? With Focalors and the people in Poisson?
Players : Yes we do
Hoyo : Wanna watch me do it again ? But this time your choice will matter.
Players : huh?
Genshin be slapping people in their face with the "Not too fast honey" again....
*This action has consequences*
Litle Nightmares vibes 😭😭😭
I didn't save anyone since I didn't know it was that important
- The players who told tepoz they will save his mother IF they encounter her, so it's not their fault IF they didn't encounter her aka didn't chose that particular node because you chose to save the courier Raman instead. But I do saw a youtuber going to the correct node but just rushed off without checking for optional tasks thus missed the chance to save his mother.
- About the mother and kid in the north... the choice description didn't mentioned the mother and kid, so players sure won't know they can save them by going north first.
I'm mad because I hated the Abyss so much I just charged head on into every combat encounter without even stopping to help the NPC's. I didn't even know our choices mattered and now I feel like an idiot
That was me like this guys asked me to help find his mom and in my head it’s like “she’s prob gone and I need to save more people than 1”
I felt bad about a lot of it even when I already researched long and hard enough before playing (didn't wanna get stressed by the emotional damage).
And STILL there were moments I felt overwhelmed. Everytime my Arlecchino accidentally set the grass on fire I was crazily switching to Neuvi to put it out and not kill people. Or when those pylons took ages to break. And then for Toto when I couldn't immediately see the NPC there and I felt upset for a moment that I was too slow (It was fine. I was just blind and didn't see the NPC).
For all the horror.... it was a frickin awesome one. I ended up with 1991 deaths which I know is higher than the best possible..... sigh, to move on I guess. It was amazing anyways and I don't regret staying till 2 am to finish it😂
Edit : Reading the comments 1991 is not as bad as I thought?! A little relief I suppose even though I made some wrong choices
It's actually really good! I think I got 2100 and I know some people got 5000 or even 6000
well hoyo disappointed us by showing nation of war in 5.0 as pokemons but turned the tables in 5.1. Had the quest informed earlier the npc's life depend on us i wouldnot hav left the game in between and played slowly relaxing 💀. Looks like gotta play all next quests srsly or i will kill innocents unknowingly 😂
No one gives a flying f about npcs
Only dumb guys was disappointed.
Human can get used to any condition. They lived there for many years. They get used to war and they can be happy because it's normal life for them.
Bruhh in this quest my dead count was over 5000, i can't believe how terrible I am . i wasted so much time didn't talk to those npc. It kinda feels bad you know that in my world I lost more npc I can't even do anything to bring those npc back they are literally gone RIP😢
I didn't know my choices could affect that much but I was really anxious and banging my keyboard because I felt like if i took too much time fighting, the figures could go up. I forgot the total casualities afterthe war but damn, I hoped everyone would be revived when mavuika did that. The story don't need to be that immersive. I just want chuychu and others back.
Just like what Niko Bellic had to go through, only this time, the old and bitter gets the last laugh.
Damn. Looks like people here didn’t unlock the golden route where your sibling would help save the areas you didn’t come for…
What a golden route, can you explain it to me?
I gotta scream "For Natlan" and fight the abyss now? 👀
3:38 i lost his mother, even thought we promise to "save" her, if meet her.
and it hit me hard. 😥
I was really tearing up when I was playing the quest. It really reminded me of Infinity War and End Game 😭
First impression: oh wow, there's a surfer village and all these people are pretty chill
Surfer girl: I died already...
No matter what I'll always be satisfied that I save Tepoz mother... Since she is a doctor she could save a lot more behind the scene
I need to know how to get the least amount of casualties.
I left the mother and daughter and I didn't even know. well I feel bad now lmao
What's the best route to minimise the casualties?
Haven't found a guide yet.
i think its to prioritize the medics.
Previous video on this channel shows prioritising the medics results in higher casualties.
in fact, medic only increase the number of victims... they cannot fight and heal the abyss, they have no use. so the death statistics are only growing stronger
More survivor more minimise the casualties, at least 😢
None, embrace them.
I'm glad to say that I saved Mayahuel. In the 2nd route, you have to choose the Scions of Canopy to be rescued first. And after you destroyed the abysal pylon in that area, you can actually talk to Dr. Mayahuel.
...I don't regret a single choice I made here, looking at this, I did the best I could. It sucks, seeing the outcomes I wasn't able to save (the mother and child, Raman, Kamaka) but I don't regret the people I did manage to save the lives of and see how they were at the end of the game.
Wow I never thought that the choices we make in the game will have effects afterwards.😣 Seeing the number of casualty gives me goosebump all of a sudden.😳 Thanks for sharing this.
This hurts me very much
That end transition got me rolling! LMAO
I'm proud of my choices, I didn't save the most but in each area I got at least 1 survivor which makes me cope thinking I was helpful to someone instead of finding an area where everyone died
Is it true that you can get softlocked from certain achievements and side quests depending on your choices? Because some people were saying that. But that wouldn't make sense. Hoyo can't just do that. It almost feels like it would go against the rules that China set for games recently or whatever. Idk.
Yeah they won't make you miss contents completely. In Honkai Star Rail there are a lot of cases where if you choose option 1 you got an achievement, if you choose option 2 the story will end up very differently but you still got another version of that achievement.
There is one point in the HSR story if you proceed to a main quest first you will forever lost a NPC's side quest, but there will pop a big warning screen if you try that, reminding you the 60 gacha stones you could've gained from it. And this is a very special case because that side quest was originally a main quest, only after people complained about it breaking the flow of the story then Hoyo updated to be a side quest, it's not the original design.
@@UltramanII Okay. Good to know.
There is a very small chance that something less significant like a special npc dialogue which would give you an artifact/food dish maybe lost. But as you have said, because china laws on monetisation of games, anything that may give premium currency must be accessible for all players (except natlan local legend achievements for those who had skill issue like me lmao).
And we all seen with the recent short nevuillete nerf how CN players are quite rapid in reporting and suing hoyo if they break the rules so im sure the devs wouldn't dare to something like this.
The only thing you can miss are chests. In some quests there's a temporary domain and most of the time you can loot between 3-5 chests.
Achievements are 100% obtainable, i have everything myself, few can't be obtained right now because its linked to the statue of Natlan and few other things that are time gated since Natlan like each time when a new reagion is released.
Other than that, events might have few items that you can miss like a weapon, a free 4* character or whatever they give you.
This part of the quest was really good.
I'm glad I haven't played the chapter 5 part 4 throughly yet. Since after knowing that it's gonna be one long archon quest
I used to hope that there is another way to save Chuychu but if seems like it was scripted
The real Fate/Zero moment
I need a summary, so which choice can save the most people???
...... this truly sadden me that i couldn't save everyone...but ...their In a better place now not all times we can save lives
The only thing I regret is actually I rushed to get out the first area as soon as I could so I didn't get to talk to Uturunku to motivate him. I only figured it later when I was checking some websites for alternate dialogue.
I managed to talk with all the other NPCs in other locations afterwards, hoping I didn't miss a single of them.
i kinda panicked and just picked at random what i thought would need my help more
I hate quests where you get multiple options but non feel good.
I'm more of of an person who, when asked which I would hit, people or an tree, say "hit the god dammit break"
It really hurts I couldn’t save the mom considering she’s a doctor but I guess hoyo for one decided to take war seriously unlike Inazuma
The Abyss are gangsters but SUDDENLY ALICE APPEARS!!
I think it’s gonna happen again because it’s similiar to memories in Sumeru and Fontaine’s court battle mechanic
Damn, the end hits like a truck.
Hoyo: time to gacha some NPC lives
NOOO I JUST REALIZED I'M SO FUKING SAD NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I DIDN'T MOTIVATE THE GUY AHHHHHHHHH. At least I could see the mother and son reunited...
Yeah. Natlan Archon Quest made me realize it's all was losing games 😢😢😢
...dang onion-ninjas. This was pretty dark and serious that your choices actually matter. (outro plays) ANYWAy-! *dances*
From this video i realised i didn't save Raman and Kamaka, the rest survived 😭
I only saved the grandma and Chuycu's death really shakes me to the core
I just went to save all the saurians I could
Well I saved All of them just for extra content 4:12
How did you do it? I’m a bit stressed out about this Archon Quest and want to save as many as possible
@@xoticboi 🤣 I was curious about what would happen if I interact with all of the MPCs And I kind of broke the game 🎮🎯 I went in front of the Dr mpc and then the dialogue started I was also roaming around the area where the purple color Fox was just walking right and left the green color animals were looking at me even though they are lying in one spot however the MPCs were not moving. Sad story 😞 but I was surprised to see so many MPCs at the ending of the story quest 🌟🌟🌟
Ver todos estos videos de la línea de decisiones que otras personas han tomado me hace sentir un tanto mejor, porque significa que en otro universo a quienes no pude salvar si fueron salvados por otros 😢
Aún así esta quest me causa ansiedad TwT
Genshin truly be impacting us
I couldn't save the mother and daughter, but at least I saved Tepoz's mother, I'm satisfied coz it was his request.
suddenly getting Naruto flashback, where only after Naruto used multi shadow clone the death toll reduced.
Well I think I saved the most I could. Tepoz's mother, Uturunku, the Under Siege people, all the ones from the Children of Echoes and the saurian crew. The mother and daughter and the courier are really painful but I guess... I guess they are just three after all. That's war for ya.
Well, these guy too 1:19 so 4 but yeah, I made the same choices and I don't regret it.
Darn. I didn't noticed it. So I lost alot of natlan people. I can only remember picking any location because I wasn't prepared for the long battle quest. I didn't expect tjat there's such thing like this so I keep going on archon quest event I'm sleepy (planning to stop once the cutscene ends and move to another cut scene but bru, It's too late when I noticed that I'm inside a temporary map(which making me feel like if I leave, the progress will not be saved and I have to start all over again!). I end up playing with the goal finish this asap so I could sleep. Playing straight forward😂😭 until 5am without looking on other details.
It actually does save tho
I dont remember ever saving a baby saurian, but i didnt save that mother and her daughter either
This give me Mass effect or Witcher vibes, your choice actually matter. However I wish they make the difference more prominent, I didn't notice some of the NPC I saved
bruh just like hoyo can’t save me from losing my 50/50 i will never save them
wait you could save npcs?
the choise is yours, basically... when you save NPC in route A, NPC in route B is die
Bro playing as the abyss silibing
I went to save the settlement here 0:53 first so had to abandon the children of echoes area on north.
During my balloon ride to the south, there was a small scene with Paimon where we noticed from afar; Kinich was running & delivering his letters to somewhere. This is before the black abyss appears on the sky.
Is there other such scene where we found playable characters along the way in different paths?
depending on what u choose are the npcs in ur overworld changed?
I saved almost all of them which is good
No joke, i was stuck on one of the platforms of the hot air balloon, and had to witness the NPCs fighting on their some hillichurls burning the field. Once i finally got unstuck, i think i managed to save about one or two of them.
Way to ruin the immersion for me 😒
I am feeling soo bad now after seeing this
I saved more lives in my choices, I saved all of the children of echo guards, I saved the Scions of Canopy group, I saved the group with the dead saurians, and I saved Mayahuel. By count, I saved more lives than making the other choices. However I really felt bad when I knew now that the ones dead are the mother and child after I chose the group with dead saurians. Brooo, I should’ve went for the mother and child 😭😭 but I didn’t know who to save when making the choices 😢 I mean the group with the dead saurians, they are warriors or smth, they could fight and die honorably for Natlan. But the mother and child, are just innocent individuals trapped with no hope under a flooring then they died 😭😭😭 I should’ve went for them instead 😢😢😢
3:31 saved Tepoz's mother
3:37 I don't think I saved him if he's the one where only a baby yumkasaur survived
3:46 saved this mother and daughter
3:49 motivated this guy and I think he survived
3:58 yep there were many ppl in that place
4:02 I don't think I saved them
4:07 didn't save
Overall I think I made the right choices