My biggest issue was Iron Fist's attitude. He started off like-able because he tried his absolute hardest to stay kind in the face of all the struggles he's been through. This actually made him endearing to me. However, he later gets angry all the time and constantly whining/bragging about being the Iron Fist. That ruined the show for me. I prefer the "Humble warrior" concept. Especially since we don't have that in the Defenders group.
TrueUnderDawgGaming Iron Fist my favorite Defender because he has more emotions than the last three. Jessica has only three emotions which are rudeness, regretfulness, and scared while Danny can be happy, kind, gentle, cheerful, determined, concern, naive, courageous, sad, charismatic, enthusiastic, enduring and anything else besides being angry. He meditates to calm down his anger and he is self-controlled. He is very likable and I find him very interesting because he carries the weight of the show admirably, drawing focus as the awkward man-child forced to reacclimatize following his prolonged absence from the world. He then learns to control his powers and becomes a smarter and stronger man by the end of the show. While the other Defenders are all dealing with their own demons with dour faces and grim outlooks, Danny is remarkably optimistic and youthful in comparison, despite suffering his fair share of childhood trauma too. Every story needs strong character development, and Luke Cage refuses to do so because he does not learn or change as a person, as he goes from a strong man with unbreakable skin who refuses to fight crime, into a strong man with unbreakable skin who reluctantly fights crime, leaving Iron Fist with stronger character development for its lead role. Luke spends the early episodes of his show downright refusing to be the hero that Harlem needs. He is aware of the corruption caused by Cottonmouth and investigates only slightly when it affects him. It takes the murder of his father figure and local hero Pop to push Luke over the edge that causes him to accept his role as the hero of Harlem. The city clearly needed Luke before Pop’s death, and it was frustrating for viewers to see a man with superhuman strength and bulletproof skin refuse to help his city when he knew it needed him. Conversely, Danny immediately begins to investigate The Hand as soon as he notices their influence on his family company. When he sees the corruption they have placed upon Rand Enterprises, as well as the drug trade they are involved with, Danny goes into full hero mode and tries his best to defeat the organization. In Daredevil Season 1 episode 12, Daredevil was a complete idiot when he told officer Brett Mahoney, whom he was informed that Daredevil killed Detective Blake and shot some cops even though Daredevil didn't even done it in the first place saying "I did not kill Detective Blake or shoot those cops" RIGHT AFTER HE THREW A PIECE OF PLANK WOOD, (he didn't threw it but I can't describe it) LACHED ONTO HIM AND WAS POINTING HIS GUN DIRECTLY INTO HIS FACE AS IF IT WERE A GODDAMN THREAT!!!! You could argue that Danny did the same thing when he pointed a gun at Ward Meachum's face but he clearly was abused when he was a child being raised by monks as they whacked him with a stick. Danny is also torn between his duties as Iron Fist and his desire to be a normal member of society. Danny's fights were not effortless walkovers without consequences. He got hurt. A lot. Though his fighting is more refined than Daredevil’s brawling style, it’s not indomitable, which is important when it came to The Defenders. Otherwise, he could just step in and end every fight they have. Where’s the suspense in that? Sure, you could argue he’s a little too inept. Danny could have easily won too many fights with the Iron Fist, which would have stripped away the stakes. Plus, that super awesome scene at the Rand building in the final episode where he just destroys the floor and launches everyone into the air would not have had as much punch. Now, in The Defenders, we won’t have to worry about him ending every showdown with a single punch, and there’s room for him to become more effective. A lot more effective. So yeah here is my complete explanation on why he's my favorite Defender ever. I'm not saying that Daredevil Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are the characters that I despised more than Jar Jar Binks don't get me wrong. It's just that I was trying to give a reason. So yeah he's more than a fucking cry baby. But in the end, you have to accept my opinion so deal with it
OP: “this ruined the show for me”. Stick around to see that’s what he was taught (or somewhat brainwashed) and now he’s going on an arc to realize what he really is meant to be. I find the show quite deep and I’m enjoying it a lot.
That's kind of the point. He never grew up in a proper, everyday environment and he never really came to terms with all the things that happened to him.
Patty W even then, the comics and even the cartoon version are nowhere near these tantrums. What should be affecting him is his parents death and shit related to that not every single thing.
Show:"There is a fantasy city called Kun Lun populated by warrior monks!" Me:"Cool, you gonna show us that?" Show:"No." Show:"There is a massive tree in Kun Lun that covers a square!" Me:"Cool, you gonna show us that?" Show:"No." Show:"Danny fought a motha f#cking dragon in Kun Lun!" Me:"You gonna...." Show:"No."
"A fantasy city called Kun Lun? At this year in history, in this fantasy universe, at this point in the story, populated entirely by warrior monks?!?" "Yes." "May I see it?" "No."
Ward was THE ONLY character that actually had interesting story, he evolved through this season and my feeling to him did it to. -First i hate him. -Than i still don't like him but i kinda understand his motivations and i was kinda hoping he gonna get what he is trying to accomplish. -And at the end of the season he become my favorite character and i he really change.
I liked Danny, Colleen, and Joy just fine, but Ward became my favorite character. He went through so much change during the course of the show. I found myself very worried that Harold would kill him!
I kind of agree with your assessment. I can see where the writers were trying to go, making Danny a fish out of water, in many ways still being the twelve year old boy who, having spent fifteen years in a monastery, is naive in regards to the world he's returned to. However I think they overplayed it. Even a naive twelve year old knows that if you say something, and it upsets people, you're better off not saying it. After the first couple of times he tried to explain K'un-Lun to a New Yorker, and watched their reaction, he would have revised his story to something like, "I was rescued by villagers, and it's taken this long to find a way back." Not technically untrue, just reducing it to a level most people can handle. Because the writers wanted that "twelve year old with issues" thing they also had Danny losing his temper far more often than you'd expect someone who has spent fifteen years in a monastery to do. Some of the scenes where they had Finn chewing the scenery, I'd have rather he simply tensed, scowled, and then sighed, shaken his head, and walked away. Finn looks the part, but he does need to spend some time training in something like Wing Chun. He needs to be able to convey the mix of grace and sudden overwhelming power that audiences expect from a martial arts master. If Luke Cage is a battleaxe, and Daredevil a broadsword, Iron Fist needs to be a rapier. There was a bit too much time spent on the Meachums. Harold, Ward, and Joy were entertaining enough, and the actor who plays Ward is extremely good when given the chance to shine, but as you say, the show is called Iron Fist, not The Meachum Family.
Thing is Iron Fist isn't like that in the comics, the main thing that made Power man and Iron fist good was the fun and lightheartedness of it, Danny Rand is supposed to be a chill guy not a manchild.
Jason Clark I'd say Dardevil is a dagger. I love his fights but god he just put all of his points into DEX and almost none into STR. He has to hit everyone like 12 times before they stay down and do 6 flips in between. As opposed to Luke who one shots everyone. Was hoping Rand would be more of a mix but he didn't sell strength and power that well half of the time.
PagemanX Wasn't he very decidedly unchill before Heroes for hire though? In his back story? I haven't read it but I've been told a lot. Lots of people saying he was a very serious and immature character at the beginning and then he lightened up.
Murderless Crow I'm now picturing a fight scene in the Defenders where Daredevil does a flip kick but before the kick lands, Luke or Jessica already punched the ninja out lol. I love Daredevil, but yeah from a fighting standpoint he exerts a LOT of energy.
Maybe its because I had low expectations due to the reviews, but I actually really enjoyed the meachums storyline. I really liked the supporting cast, and the villains as well
The brother and sisters storyline is fine, it's the dad I had a problem with. The dude isn't worthy of being a main antagonist I was waiting for someone far more threatening to come in and take on Iron Fist but the fact that we get stuck with the dad, is anti-climatic
I'm surprised there was no comment on Ward's character. He was pretty great in this show. Very good actor with a lot of potential and easily the most interesting character besides Colleen.
Harold and Danny Rand ruined the show for me. I felt it would of been better if they focused on Colleen and Clair and made it into a daughters of the Dragon show.
Marvel and Netflix should get Chad Stahelski (John Wick, John Wick Chapter Two), David Leitch (John Wick, Atomic Blonde) and Gareth Evans (The Raid) to direct some episodes of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Punisher.
krusnik94 for me too! Tom Pelphrey made such a great job with ward. like, in the comics, Ward isn't that complex and kind of relatable guy, he's just... bad. no one is like that, just bad or good, world isn't that b&w, and i think Tom's WaWard was amazingly real, he felt real to me. WaWard is by far my fav character.
-- Mostly bekuz his writing and "character build up" was better or has been better.. almost to the point wore a normal person is able to relate. Surely one who grew up with an over burden childhood.
fightnight14 i liked Ward but his relationship with his dad is far from funny, for me. is an abusive relationship. what makes me understand his motivations & want to protect Ward ;v
I loved the series tbh, but here are my issues plus fixes: -Danny needed a mask. he's far to famous to not have one, and it would allow a stunt double to fight. This would in turn lessen the need for jump cuts to hide faces. -They tried to avoid flashbacks for some reason but this is one of the few stories that would have benefited from it. Kun Lun needed to be further explored. shorten the Rand enterprise arc by two episodes and make those flashback episodes -The hand needs a revamp for all Netflix shows. We need more lore and structure. A motivation larger than Drugs and being evil for the hell of it. -The iron fist needs to be a staple in Danny's fighting technique. it's how you differentiate him. Otherwise, he is a more elegant daredevil. which will not be good for defenders. The tape of a previous iron fist guarding kun lun is the end goal. -Danny's enemies need a buff. Half the problem is that he is fighting regular people, so they have adjust his fighting skills to compensate for the decreased threat level in order to manufacture suspense. He needs either supernatural baddies or metahumans. -His friendship with that one guy from kun Lun needed to further depicted. It would have made their clash more meaningful. -Conversation need to be meaningful and advance the plot. Many did not. -Show, not tell. Telling us about peoples capabilities will always be less exciting. Danny beat everyone in kun lun? Cool story bro. pics or it didn't happen. -Danny's temper tantrums were borderline comical. Not sure who told him to depict anger like that but it was weird. Also counter to the character. He needs to be chill all the time so that when he explodes it means something. That would differentiate him from Every other defenders. They are all always angry about something. Rand should be TOO chill thus making his angry all the more poignant.
Totally agree, I really loved the show and I mean yeah it wasn't perfect but it was still very enjoyable. With a few improvements it could be much better, I just hope that if there's a second season they actually implement most, if not all, of the things you've brought up here. Especially the part about his temper tantrums... those were hard watch sometimes lol.
imagine what the main character could have done with all that screen time. you think that maybe that's what people are pointing out? the show is not ward and dad, is iron fist.
Netflix rushed this series. Iron Fist is actually a good story but unfortunately it seems Marvel and Netflix didn't care about this story for some reason. There is so much potential and it's such a shame that the fight choreography wasn't even that good
Allan Alberts Didn't that guy also ruin Dexter?! It's no wonder Iron Fist had problems. What was Marvel thinking? Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Daredevil had good shows but Iron Fist gets rushed?
Wasn't they working on it from 2013? they even pushed it back and put Luke Cage 3rd (4th if you count DD S2) ater his great performance in JJ so they had plenty of time.. i think the showrunner was a shitty/lazy appointment and their downfall
I have to say Finn Jones was pretty bad... I got all sorts of High School Drama King acting tricks from him. Everyone else kind of knew (somehow) they were in a show that would be subpar... Jones thought he was doing Hamlet in the Globe for the Queen! Overacting from the first second he came on screen... Also, this show had NO TEETH! By the end of the pilots for all three shows there was serious blood on the floor! I was disappointed in Jessica Jones pilot until the elevator scene, then was like DAMN! She's got an uphill climb! Not so much with Iron Fist... I'm making myself finish it just because it's leading up to Defenders. Emphasis on "making".
Agreed, he reminded me somewhat of Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad, of course the storyline was comppressed into just this one season but he had that whole "tortured by his servitude" thing going on
Sphinx _07 thing is, I haven't read the comics and I researched on it. So yeah, anyone who claims whitewashing of Iron Fist, you might want to research first before trolling on the show.
I totally agree. Although I can see some of its flaws at some points (but not throughout the whole series), I actually enjoyed it the most. Jessica Jones had a better written and played villain, but the series was much slower, she used her powers even less, and at times she was even more confused and jerk-ish than Iron Fist. So... why do people think this is was "great" with her but "not OK" with Iron Fist? Plus... the fact that in Iron Fist, sometimes you don 't really know who the actual "bad guy" is, I found it really great and interesting!
Jessica Jones is number 1 on my list then Daredevil. I think the reason people give Jessica Jones a pass i think is because it had a noir, straight up actual real world versions of stuff if that makes sense and the stuff jessica jones has been through while with Iron Fist not saying he didnt go through bad stuff obviously but if you spent time in a kingdom basically, know meditation and really have a good chunk of people at your side to help you then what the hell. While Jessica it was more secluded and she was literally in a parasite. Don't forget the Hand......People like myself after watching Daredevil expected the Hand on Steroids when iron fist came out and it felt like we got the JV team and you can totally tell it had the Captain america syndrome since The first avenger was the last individual property before the avengers and they could not really do more without over spilling in this case Iron Fist was against the wall of the Defenders
Yeah... Iron Fist grew up in a "nice" surrounding (although, even this is debatable), but he was in a completely different world for the most part of his life. So, the confusion he shows when he re-entered modern world can be very reasonable and expected. I found it to be 100% "right" and at the same time fun to watch.
Exactly!!! Honestly, the part most people complain about is the best part of the show. How is it a drag to listen to such interesting characters. I don't get it.
I didn't mind it but I didn't like the character of Danny Rand himself. I actually liked Ward's character development much better but I felt they spent too much time at Rand.
Well, if you take Freud's teachings in consideration, you'll see that the meditation the monks taught Danny was not to find peace, but to repress feelings to to his subconscious, leading to hysteria (physical symptoms to a mental illness: his unability to summon the Iron Hand and not fight properly, for example) and other traumas. Add into the mix the fact he never was properly taught how to act/live in the normal world, lost his parents at a very young age and got outright reject a ton of times by his family before convincing them he was truly Danny.
The scene of him spinning around in the chair flipping off the hidden cameras was great. Ward is the example I hold up to show how surprisingly good the second half of the first scene is; they took a character who was a completely iredeemable asshole and redeemed him. That's really impressive writing, honestly.
Saying that the shows gets bogged down by the stuff at Rand implies that the actual Iron Fist stuff is in any way interesting or cool. I honestly agree with the Cinema Snob, in that I find the Mechum's to be way more interesting than Danny.
One of the problems with the series, they kept showing the same flashbacks over and over and over again! I was so fucking annoyed with how many times they showed the plane crash scene ! They should learn doing flashbacks from Arrow !
I mostly agree with you on aspects of weak storyline and the often annoying character of Danny (although I didn't think Coleen was as good as you say). However, my biggest difference of opinion is, as a lot of people in the comments seem to think as well, that Ward as a character (with his "daddy issues") was actually the most interesting and compelling part of the show for me! I found myself waiting for the main storyline to make way for Ward's again. I didn't love Harold, but the developments with regards to Joy and Ward (and Rand Company) were what kept me watching actually.
I wanted to like it but i had major issues. #1 the whole first three episodes is like "i cant beleive that guy is pretending to be danny" "that guy kinda looks like danny" "what if that guy is danny, crazy right?" I just wanted them to shut up with that crap it was annoying. #2 his sidekick guy, why is it that everytime someone meets him they have to go "oh hey do you have the iron fist too?" Like they have to set up his resentment and jealousy of danny for taking what he thought was his, but thats lazy ass writing. They dont need such blatant dialogue to get the point across, they needed to make it more subtle jesus christ, talk about deflating any kind of tension that may have been possible. # 3 the fight scenes were below average imo, especially compared to daredevil season 2 and hes supposed to be a "living weapon" he sure as hell didnt look like it, it reminded me of karate kid with ralph macchio. That asain girl at the dojo has better fight scenes than danny and thats pathetic, they need better feats of strength to set up the hierarchy of martial artists. #4 danny is a whiny little bitch. Hes supposed to be a monk but he is quick to anger and acts without thinking most of the time, i guess they didnt teach him patience and modesty at the monestary #5 an ancient shadow organization cant seem to track danny down even though hes hiding in plain sight. You think they would know who their mortal enemy is and be able to find him, especially considering you know, hes a god damn billionaire? I dunno it just pissed me off and disappointed me.
I would give it a 'B-'. Danny's character got very irritating in the end. I actually enjoyed the Meachums drama more than the Hand storyline. Ward's arc was great. Best character in the show. A good corporate drama. But an okayish superhero show
Its so funny I thought the opposite. I actually thought the subplot with Ward and his father and sister was more interesting then the main Iron fist plot. I thought Ward was an interesting and multilayered character. I donno, that part of the show was more gritty and suspenseful. They could almost have their own spin-off series.
I thought Ward was the best character and I only watched the show in the end because his character was really interesting whereas Danny was like a petualant 2 year old
Julia Aarushi Exact same thoughts. It's a show based off a comic book so I'm okay with crazy stuff going down. But the inconsistencies with the characters and poor diolague etc really made me dislike Iron fist and the second half of Luke cage.
Kaoflame Primary he was a bit bland in delivering his lines, but his motivation is pretty interesting, could see him to be a great villain if done right
Kaoflame Primary Terrible at first, easily the weakest character and actor, but the moment the drug addiction came apparent he became the a very good character and one of the better actors.
I'm just really glad they didn't kill off Ward at the end because there's something there. The last two episodes I think were really good. And the whole flip with Davos and Joy was not expected really. Coming into the the show you thought Ward would end up being the one going down the dark road instead of Joy *Spoilers*
RelayReview Right? That ending came straight from left field, and there was absolutely zero reason or motive whatsoever for Joy to be in that concluding scene
Agreed, at the point where Ward lied to Danny about the Hand killing Harold because of what he did, I figured Ward would be more of an antagonist by the end. He honestly became one of my favorite parts of the season by the end. The Meachums were complex enough where I'd like to see what becomes of them in the future, and whether Joy will ever come back around.
Finn Jones plays the character well, just not how ppl expected. He played Danny Rand as a 10 year old boy, which makes sense for the character...he is emotionally stunted. From the trauma of the plane crash to the trauma of training with the monks, he never grew up. If you look at it in that context, he plays the character perfectly...his fight choreography does leave much to be desired, though.
Shouldn't someone who trained his mind and body for 15 years in a monastery among monks be more stable? An year of meditation transforms a regular person. This is the iron first we're talking about here.
Luke Beaulieu I dunno. His training seemed to be all about beatings and suppression of feelings, so I'm not at all surprised that he never really had time to grieve and that coming back to New York would bring all of that suppressed shit back up. I would have liked him to be more zen but I think it fits, even with the training. I feel like becoming the best fighter in K'un Lun became an obsession early on and he never really dealt with his issues.
Renu Sharma They explain this in the show. They are taught to suppress their feelings, not get rid of them. So it's natural that when he returns home he is a person stuck between two worlds, and has no idea how to handle it. He's still a young guy, and a young iron fist. It calls for good development going forward.
Aurkin95 No, I completely agree. I did feel towards the end that they maybe spent too much time on the Meachums, but the actor who played Ward was phenomenal when he had the chance to show it. His arc in Episode 8 was the first time I was really sucked in by this show.
i liked it, pretty racist how people were saying he should have been chineese just because he does martial arts...especially when he is white in the comics too.
It's not just about the guy being chinese... It's about him being chinese *and* the actor knowing martial arts. Just his ethnic background alone might have led to more interesting stories, and maybe even some of the cheesy dialog coming off better. But who knows
Hamza the actors ethnicity wouldn't change a damn thing because the culture he learns everything from isn't a real place therefore a Chinese man wouldn't relate to it much. I think the only thing racist is implying that only a Chinese man can know martial arts
To be fair Daredevil looks a bit more stocked. Despite him literally having detective skills and agility. Ironfist really showed he is way more agile show wise
I didn't hate Iron Fist, I acrually felt that the Meachem family was much more interesting. Especially Harold and Ward, but the only thing I felt walking away from it was that can that Daredevil would murder Iron Fist in a fight! 1. Netflix Daredevil is a master of Boxing, ninjutsu, Muay Thai, ground and pounding, Kung Fu, Judo, Akido, Capoeria, Taekwondo, Pro wrestling, tricking, and eskrima. Iron Fist has only been confirmed to have mastered Kung Fu. That's a huge disadvantage for Danny seeing that he would not be able to anticipate Daredevil's next attack as martial artists do to prepare for a counter because his fighting style is comprised of 11 other fighting styles he seemingly does not know. 2. Secondly, Danny never faced real skilled Hand ninjas. The closest would be Bakuto but even he was fairly easy. He was defeated by Colleen in a sword fight and she was his apprentice. He was no where near the skill level of say Nobu from season 1 or season 2 of Daredevil, I feel that Nobu may even be one of the most skilled fighters in all of the MCU. But anyways, for the most part Danny was fighting teen aged hand soldiers who were unarmed while Daredevil was facing real skilled ninjas with Katanas, Shurikens, Bow and Arrows, and more. Also the Hand felt very cheap in Iron Fist, we never really saw someone dressed like a ninja which gave me the sense that both Madame Gao's and Bakuto's faction of the hand weren't nearly as skilled as Nobu's faction. Take the tournament i episode 6 for example, none of the warriors looked very skilled because they looked like every other gang member. Also how stupid was Danny to fall for the bride of nine spiders. 3. Daredevil also has body armor that would soften and absorb the blow of almost every hit Danny throws at him. (Regular hits, not Iron fist attacks) He also has his billy clubs that he can use for long, mid, or close ranged combat making him a much more versatile fighter. 4. Daredevil is also much more durable even without his armor seeing that he was sliced like salami by Nobu with his Shoge Hook. Danny feels more like a glass cannon who never really fires. 5. The only way I see Danny being able to win in a straight up fight would be to use his Iron Fist but Matt would be able to sense the thermal energy as he is summoning his chi and would cautiously keep his distance dodging or using his bill clubs at far range until he loses his chi which only lasts for seven to 20 seconds give or take. Once his chi is drained he would be depleted of energy making it easier for Daredevil to deliver a knock out.
Its pretty sad when your TV series is called Iron Fist, and nearly every character on the show who is NOT Iron Fist - characters like Colleen, Joy, Ward, Harold, and Claire - were far more interesting than Iron Fist was. To add insult to injury, Iron Fist's distinctive ability is that he is a superb martial artist, so you would think that the martial arts choreography and filming would be top notch. No! The other Marvel Netflix series, like Daredevil, do hand to hand combat better than the show about a character who is supposed to be a martial arts expert. Iron Fist is arguably the worst Marvel adaptation to TV - even worse than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. That is saying a lot.
Drake Santiago think it much harder to choreograph Kung fu and make it interesting and believable. DD fights were far better bc he just beat the shit out people and also took plenty of damage. They looked like real fights.
Iron fist dissapointed. This may sound picky, but the camera work for the fight scenes sucked. Theres a scene where danny fights a guy in a hospital file room. It cuts back and fourth literally 20 times in 2 seconds. You can barely tell wtf is going on. Compare that to daredevils brillant NO CUTS, one continuous shot fight scene in the hallway. It was resident evil movie bad...
DrViperVideos There's a video out where it show 46 cuts in his hallway scene while Daredevil had 1 continuous shot...It goes to show how little fucks they gave about this show.
you can't compare daredevils big budget fight scene in a hallway to a throw away fight . Its also not "no cuts" the cuts are just hidden to make it seem continuous
This is not nitpicking this is basic cinematic understanding. Every person should be able to spot bad editing because its something that can ruin the whole project
Than You said the same exact thing I think I counted about the same amount cuts it reminds of Taken 3 when Liams character tries to jump a fence I see a lot of people say the fighting sucks but your the first to say why it sucks people to many cuts in a one scene is bad film making and I am glad I am not the only one who saw it
Astral Projection how do you figure? It's an Asian stereotype that all asians know some sort of martial art. So saying a character that is a master of kong fu needs to be Asian may not be derogatory, but is in fact racist because their only argument for why the character should be Asian is because he does kong fu
And Finn Jones have done incredible work in other stuff mainly in Game Of Thrones. So it's clear that the writers and the directors are to blame for his performance
TastyDash I watched it all, including the stupid ice cream murder, flying to china and back in a day, even the whole "we need to save K'un Lin, oh, it's not here" ending
I didn't say that bit was bad, just the whole "hey, we'll go to china" and then they were home again. I was expecting them to go through customs and baggage lines, it just felt rushed.
THANK YOU for doing a proper review by watching all 13 episodes. I don't mind the critics that were only given the first six to review. That have to judge by what was offered. For the folks that posted their "reviews" or "discussions" before completing the season --- likely for the sake of making a deadline --- they tarnished their credibility in my eyes.
I've noticed that a lot of RT's scores for TV shows are only based on reviews of the first episode, and they don't represent a running or final tally of the whole season. It strikes me as disingenuous.
while I agree with you about the Show being good but not amazing, I feel like you missed the point with the Rand corporation. it's HIS company. HIS legacy. that's not filler. in the comics, especially in the New Avengers, he is the CEO of Rand Industries. he's a more street level Iron Man. Having his company at his disposal is a part of his character. The show definitely dragged but I don't think the Rand storyline is to blame. In all seriousness, this being the last show before the Defenders, they really SHOULD have brought in Daredevil or (even better) Luke Cage, since they are supposed to have a history together. it's just ridiculous that Claire is all "you need help I know people that have fought the Hand"...but doesn't go get Daredevil or Luke Cage to help out?!? now they are just going to waste 4 or 5 episodes of the defenders to make everyone meet up when they should have had this happen already.
I actually really liked this series, the corporate Rand stuff, Ward, etc. - I thought that stuff was good. It was the whole Bakuto/Hand Sect part that turned me off a bit.
the good thing about the show - WARD, he is such a great actor and SUCH a complex character, the show goes from hating him to hating him even more and then liking him and then to loving him, aaand thats basically about it, the show is not terrible but just sub par, the main iron fist actor cannot really act that good, he has one expression throughout the entire series, a lot of episodes are really slow moving and there is an inconsistence in the show, the pacing is all over the place plus it reveals that everything we have learned about the hand in dare devil may not necessarily be true which i think might be a good thing..not sure yet. WARD is the hero, but yeah not terrible but average but i did like the whole chi thing though, it makes you want to learn that slow marital arts dance thing, its inspiring
This show was more enjoyable the Luke Cage, in my opinion. Just a little bit more interesting with all the psychological stuff going on between Ward, joy and Harold. The dude who played iron fist had such a nice karisma to him and I think he played the character quite well. This is in no way a week link to the Marvel series.
I don't really get the love for Colleen in this. Sure, she was arguably the best character... but out of a roster of just bad characters, it's not saying much. I found her extremely predictable. Honestly, I probably enjoyed Davos the most, as while he was also lacking in subtlety, I found myself really enjoying the scene where he talked to Claire about Shou-Lou and tried pizza for the first time.
Sara Girão YES! Personally, I think FOX is getting back on the right track with their Marvel stuff, lately. Legion is one of the best TV shows I've ever seen, and Deadpool and Logan are two of the most creative superhero films out there. I hope the MCU isn't failing, because Iron Fist is just disappointing. At least Guardians of the Galaxy 2 looks great!
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Connor Morley Couldn't agree more with you! And it was approved for a 2nd season :D
The one thing I cannot forgive is how the hell a 15years-well-trained monk can be so impatient, spoiled, mindless and short-tempered. If Daredevil with all the voices and shits can be so self controlled then Iron fist should be even more contained. It's unjustified.
Heralds worker: can I have vanilla ice cream I don't like these other fancy flavors Herald: I went through all the trouble to buy these flavors and all you do is complain. Ends up killing him with a spoon. BEST PART
Yeah but to be fair, she met dare devil, who can actually fight, JJ, who has super strength, Cage who is invulnerable, and Danny, a whiney little bitchboy who can only use his power once before he needs to take a nap.
She was so annoying in this show. Her dialogue was too comedic, she kept on monologue-ing as well, and she was always third wheel to Danny and Colleen, and her character felt like it could easily be written out of the story.
mat sh wow you actually went back to an older video and copied the time code where chris says those words Actual research and work went into your comment. Not bad.
I have to disagree, the Harold and Ward sub plot was very interesting, I liked how Harold linked to every aspect of the story, and I love how conflicted Wards character was, he hated his father but loved him at the same time, he wanted to run Rand his own way but his dad kept controlling him and altering his decisions, he was stressed out from work and then Danny comes along and he wants to believe its Danny but can't or won't because of greed and the fact that Danny is such a different person. He is addicted to prescription drugs and ends up turing to heroin when things get too much, then he kills his father because he can't handle the secrets he holds anymore. All this and he can't even tell his own sister. I thought Ward was easily one of the best and most indepth characters there was in the series. Even though its just a sub plot he was a far better character than Joy or Harold. Danny was a weak character and I agree he was abit corny and not very compelling at times. I didn't like Danny's choices, he was calm and controlled and smart at the beginning but towards the end his motives and planning were abscent from every scene, he was just this fool who thought he was instantly better than everyone and it just came across as cheesy. He would just run from place to place fighting people and losing getting himself in dumb situations. Danny didn't feel like much of a super hero either. He had the iron fist but never really used it, unlike Luke Cage or Daredevil who were unbeatable in almost every fight, Danny would win against a master fighter but then lose against a fucking bodyguard, its like the writers forgot who Danny was whilst writing the script. For me the series was a solid 6/10. Its a good watch but it can be corny and unconvincing at times.
+ BROKN Yeah, I really don't understand why they wrote Danny being creepy and then had him rewarded for creepy behavior, instead of writing him in a way that would have allowed for Colleen to want to befriend him in a realistic fashion.
They wrote Danny that way because he grew up outside of our society, in a place where things were done different. He had to learn that sometimes the things he was taught don't really work out too well in the rest of the world.
+ Panthror I don't see how his creepy or entitled behavior is explained away by being raised by monks. They could have written him differently; that they wrote him as entitled and unable to comprehend when a woman says 'no' is the problem.
I didn't say it was good writing. I merely explained, what I thought was, the reasoning for how he was written. Also it is explained why he is that way. In one episode we learn the monks didn't accept failure, Danny was punished if he couldn't do something and was pushed to try harder until he succeeded. So, if a woman says "No", Danny interprets this as failure, which to him means he just has to try harder.
My biggest issue was Iron Fist's attitude. He started off like-able because he tried his absolute hardest to stay kind in the face of all the struggles he's been through. This actually made him endearing to me. However, he later gets angry all the time and constantly whining/bragging about being the Iron Fist. That ruined the show for me. I prefer the "Humble warrior" concept. Especially since we don't have that in the Defenders group.
TrueUnderDawgGaming Iron Fist my favorite Defender because he has more emotions than the last three. Jessica has only three emotions which are rudeness, regretfulness, and scared while Danny can be happy, kind, gentle, cheerful, determined, concern, naive, courageous, sad, charismatic, enthusiastic, enduring and anything else besides being angry. He meditates to calm down his anger and he is self-controlled. He is very likable and I find him very interesting because he carries the weight of the show admirably, drawing focus as the awkward man-child forced to reacclimatize following his prolonged absence from the world. He then learns to control his powers and becomes a smarter and stronger man by the end of the show. While the other Defenders are all dealing with their own demons with dour faces and grim outlooks, Danny is remarkably optimistic and youthful in comparison, despite suffering his fair share of childhood trauma too. Every story needs strong character development, and Luke Cage refuses to do so because he does not learn or change as a person, as he goes from a strong man with unbreakable skin who refuses to fight crime, into a strong man with unbreakable skin who reluctantly fights crime, leaving Iron Fist with stronger character development for its lead role. Luke spends the early episodes of his show downright refusing to be the hero that Harlem needs. He is aware of the corruption caused by Cottonmouth and investigates only slightly when it affects him. It takes the murder of his father figure and local hero Pop to push Luke over the edge that causes him to accept his role as the hero of Harlem. The city clearly needed Luke before Pop’s death, and it was frustrating for viewers to see a man with superhuman strength and bulletproof skin refuse to help his city when he knew it needed him. Conversely, Danny immediately begins to investigate The Hand as soon as he notices their influence on his family company. When he sees the corruption they have placed upon Rand Enterprises, as well as the drug trade they are involved with, Danny goes into full hero mode and tries his best to defeat the organization. In Daredevil Season 1 episode 12, Daredevil was a complete idiot when he told officer Brett Mahoney, whom he was informed that Daredevil killed Detective Blake and shot some cops even though Daredevil didn't even done it in the first place saying "I did not kill Detective Blake or shoot those cops" RIGHT AFTER HE THREW A PIECE OF PLANK WOOD, (he didn't threw it but I can't describe it) LACHED ONTO HIM AND WAS POINTING HIS GUN DIRECTLY INTO HIS FACE AS IF IT WERE A GODDAMN THREAT!!!! You could argue that Danny did the same thing when he pointed a gun at Ward Meachum's face but he clearly was abused when he was a child being raised by monks as they whacked him with a stick. Danny is also torn between his duties as Iron Fist and his desire to be a normal member of society. Danny's fights were not effortless walkovers without consequences. He got hurt. A lot. Though his fighting is more refined than Daredevil’s brawling style, it’s not indomitable, which is important when it came to The Defenders. Otherwise, he could just step in and end every fight they have. Where’s the suspense in that? Sure, you could argue he’s a little too inept. Danny could have easily won too many fights with the Iron Fist, which would have stripped away the stakes. Plus, that super awesome scene at the Rand building in the final episode where he just destroys the floor and launches everyone into the air would not have had as much punch. Now, in The Defenders, we won’t have to worry about him ending every showdown with a single punch, and there’s room for him to become more effective. A lot more effective. So yeah here is my complete explanation on why he's my favorite Defender ever. I'm not saying that Daredevil Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are the characters that I despised more than Jar Jar Binks don't get me wrong. It's just that I was trying to give a reason. So yeah he's more than a fucking cry baby. But in the end, you have to accept my opinion so deal with it
@Pro Jey96 same
OP: “this ruined the show for me”. Stick around to see that’s what he was taught (or somewhat brainwashed) and now he’s going on an arc to realize what he really is meant to be. I find the show quite deep and I’m enjoying it a lot.
"I am the Iron Fist. Not you. ME!" 😂😂😂😂😂
Not you, MEE!! i am the Iron Fist
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I Literallly came to the comments to type this, glad I didn't have to :P
U spoil the entire series. And upcoming season 3 too.
The best scene of the whole series was that guy singing Take on Me on karaoke while killing people
Big Bong de la Theoden lol
Yess
I was just watching that part
Scythe was so badass. It sucks that they didn't make him a major villain, but just a boring side character
I really feel like Iron Fist could have been 5 episodes and still had the exact same impact on the franchise.
Wow! Toy Galaxy! I love your channel! And I agree with your comment.
Never ask for vanilla ice cream
DrViperVideos never.
Well, I was going switch anyway ;)
Too bad, vanilla ice cream is my favorite, so suck it.
The acting of that Australian Spartan guy was great.
You talking about Faramir?
"I wanted more Iron fisting"
- Chris Stuckmann 2017
leonthesleepy Timeout
leonthesleepy
I LOL'd.
Iron fisting
with Loras Tyrel
...and you'll be on the receiving end!
LMAO.
8:44 I spit my drink out.. great review as always
LevelCapGaming 🌚
LevelCapGaming here before it gets a thousand likes
Ev Munky Gallagher you're right that was retarded
Woah that happened, when a youtuber comments on another's video. cool cool
LevelCapGaming God bless you man!
I like it when Danny said something along the line with _"Don't listen to them, they're a bunch of garbage."_ Reeaaal monk-like 💀
OMG the tantrums...Danny was like a hormonal teenager, he got upset about everything!!!
That's kind of the point. He never grew up in a proper, everyday environment and he never really came to terms with all the things that happened to him.
Patty W even then, the comics and even the cartoon version are nowhere near these tantrums. What should be affecting him is his parents death and shit related to that not every single thing.
Aengelo Vargas meeh...his friend lived there his whole life. He didn't throw random tantrums like him.
Show:"There is a fantasy city called Kun Lun populated by warrior monks!"
Me:"Cool, you gonna show us that?"
Show:"No."
Show:"There is a massive tree in Kun Lun that covers a square!"
Me:"Cool, you gonna show us that?"
Show:"No."
Show:"Danny fought a motha f#cking dragon in Kun Lun!"
Me:"You gonna...."
Show:"No."
George Zhang but we will show you us killing a guy with an ice cream scoop
Show:"Look! Iron Fist in full costume old blurry grayscale footage"
Me:"Cool, Will Danny we . . ."
Show:"No."
George Zhang Lmaooooooo
"A fantasy city called Kun Lun?
At this year in history,
in this fantasy universe,
at this point in the story,
populated entirely by warrior monks?!?"
"Yes."
"May I see it?"
"No."
George Zhang 5
Ward was THE ONLY character that actually had interesting story, he evolved through this season and my feeling to him did it to.
-First i hate him.
-Than i still don't like him but i kinda understand his motivations and i was kinda hoping he gonna get what he is trying to accomplish.
-And at the end of the season he become my favorite character and i he really change.
Exactly my feelings as well I really hope that actor gets a lot more work!
Ward and The Punisher gave the best performances in these shows.
I liked Danny, Colleen, and Joy just fine, but Ward became my favorite character. He went through so much change during the course of the show. I found myself very worried that Harold would kill him!
I kind of agree with your assessment. I can see where the writers were trying to go, making Danny a fish out of water, in many ways still being the twelve year old boy who, having spent fifteen years in a monastery, is naive in regards to the world he's returned to.
However I think they overplayed it. Even a naive twelve year old knows that if you say something, and it upsets people, you're better off not saying it. After the first couple of times he tried to explain K'un-Lun to a New Yorker, and watched their reaction, he would have revised his story to something like, "I was rescued by villagers, and it's taken this long to find a way back." Not technically untrue, just reducing it to a level most people can handle.
Because the writers wanted that "twelve year old with issues" thing they also had Danny losing his temper far more often than you'd expect someone who has spent fifteen years in a monastery to do. Some of the scenes where they had Finn chewing the scenery, I'd have rather he simply tensed, scowled, and then sighed, shaken his head, and walked away.
Finn looks the part, but he does need to spend some time training in something like Wing Chun. He needs to be able to convey the mix of grace and sudden overwhelming power that audiences expect from a martial arts master. If Luke Cage is a battleaxe, and Daredevil a broadsword, Iron Fist needs to be a rapier.
There was a bit too much time spent on the Meachums. Harold, Ward, and Joy were entertaining enough, and the actor who plays Ward is extremely good when given the chance to shine, but as you say, the show is called Iron Fist, not The Meachum Family.
Thing is Iron Fist isn't like that in the comics, the main thing that made Power man and Iron fist good was the fun and lightheartedness of it, Danny Rand is supposed to be a chill guy not a manchild.
Jason Clark I'd say Dardevil is a dagger. I love his fights but god he just put all of his points into DEX and almost none into STR. He has to hit everyone like 12 times before they stay down and do 6 flips in between. As opposed to Luke who one shots everyone. Was hoping Rand would be more of a mix but he didn't sell strength and power that well half of the time.
PagemanX Wasn't he very decidedly unchill before Heroes for hire though? In his back story? I haven't read it but I've been told a lot. Lots of people saying he was a very serious and immature character at the beginning and then he lightened up.
Murderless Crow I'm now picturing a fight scene in the Defenders where Daredevil does a flip kick but before the kick lands, Luke or Jessica already punched the ninja out lol. I love Daredevil, but yeah from a fighting standpoint he exerts a LOT of energy.
Maybe its because I had low expectations due to the reviews, but I actually really enjoyed the meachums storyline. I really liked the supporting cast, and the villains as well
Connor Cooke me 2 man
Connor Cooke Same, I found the Meachums storyline to be quite interesting.
i thought ward is going to be bland as fuck. but he become one of my fav character cause he had actual development
The brother and sisters storyline is fine, it's the dad I had a problem with.
The dude isn't worthy of being a main antagonist
I was waiting for someone far more threatening to come in and take on Iron Fist but the fact that we get stuck with the dad, is anti-climatic
Joshua Santana would you say it would be better off if the Dad (forgot his name) maybe actually throw down with his fists, rather than a gun?
I'm surprised there was no comment on Ward's character. He was pretty great in this show. Very good actor with a lot of potential and easily the most interesting character besides Colleen.
I agree, he made the show good enough to watch
Jacob Anderson Ward was a fuckboy lol The Mechums were a turn off for me. Especially Harold was a cartoon.
Jacob Anderson I liked him but I didn't like his boring storyline
Jacob Anderson FACTS
Harold and Danny Rand ruined the show for me. I felt it would of been better if they focused on Colleen and Clair and made it into a daughters of the Dragon show.
Marvel and Netflix should get Chad Stahelski (John Wick, John Wick Chapter Two), David Leitch (John Wick, Atomic Blonde) and Gareth Evans (The Raid) to direct some episodes of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Punisher.
Franz Essenwanger Delgado I totally agree
Franz Essenwanger Delgado The Raid was the biggest inspiration for the fight scenes in Daredevil.
Who are you? You are so wise
Ward for me was the only highlight of this show
krusnik94 yeah wards character development was phenomenal
krusnik94 for me too! Tom Pelphrey made such a great job with ward. like, in the comics, Ward isn't that complex and kind of relatable guy, he's just... bad. no one is like that, just bad or good, world isn't that b&w, and i think Tom's WaWard was amazingly real, he felt real to me. WaWard is by far my fav character.
-- Mostly bekuz his writing and "character build up" was better or has been better.. almost to the point wore a normal person is able to relate. Surely one who grew up with an over burden childhood.
krusnik94 i love ward and harold's relationship. I find it dark and hilarious 👍🏻
fightnight14 i liked Ward but his relationship with his dad is far from funny, for me. is an abusive relationship. what makes me understand his motivations & want to protect Ward ;v
I loved the series tbh, but here are my issues plus fixes:
-Danny needed a mask. he's far to famous to not have one, and it would allow a stunt double to fight. This would in turn lessen the need for jump cuts to hide faces.
-They tried to avoid flashbacks for some reason but this is one of the few stories that would have benefited from it. Kun Lun needed to be further explored. shorten the Rand enterprise arc by two episodes and make those flashback episodes
-The hand needs a revamp for all Netflix shows. We need more lore and structure. A motivation larger than Drugs and being evil for the hell of it.
-The iron fist needs to be a staple in Danny's fighting technique. it's how you differentiate him. Otherwise, he is a more elegant daredevil. which will not be good for defenders. The tape of a previous iron fist guarding kun lun is the end goal.
-Danny's enemies need a buff. Half the problem is that he is fighting regular people, so they have adjust his fighting skills to compensate for the decreased threat level in order to manufacture suspense. He needs either supernatural baddies or metahumans.
-His friendship with that one guy from kun Lun needed to further depicted. It would have made their clash more meaningful.
-Conversation need to be meaningful and advance the plot. Many did not.
-Show, not tell. Telling us about peoples capabilities will always be less exciting. Danny beat everyone in kun lun? Cool story bro. pics or it didn't happen.
-Danny's temper tantrums were borderline comical. Not sure who told him to depict anger like that but it was weird. Also counter to the character. He needs to be chill all the time so that when he explodes it means something. That would differentiate him from Every other defenders. They are all always angry about something. Rand should be TOO chill thus making his angry all the more poignant.
Totally agree, I really loved the show and I mean yeah it wasn't perfect but it was still very enjoyable. With a few improvements it could be much better, I just hope that if there's a second season they actually implement most, if not all, of the things you've brought up here. Especially the part about his temper tantrums... those were hard watch sometimes lol.
Fighting scenes so bad Stevie Wonder can see the punches coming
LMFAOOOOOO
stephen singleton I'm dead😂😂😂😂😂😂
stephen singleton lmfao
I really don't expect a solo 2nd season. They will need an overhaul on the team to make the show better.
nice.
Would you say he is Danny Bland?
Lol thats what I have been saying since it came out. XD.
Nah hes like Gon or Goku, lovable and naive but a little boring kind of like captain america in the MCU before winter soldier.
Booo go sit in your corner
unrooolie I am Danny bland the immortal boring fist sworn enemy of the bland
unrooolie hah
Ward was by far the most interesting character and I'm really glad they gave him that much screen time.
imagine what the main character could have done with all that screen time. you think that maybe that's what people are pointing out? the show is not ward and dad, is iron fist.
I totally agree, Iron Fist is my favorite hero of all time, but with this show I was more intrigued by Ward then Iron Fist ...
The main character had plenty of screen time. More screen time wouldn't fix the character.
Should see him in banshee as well he's a good actor
Agreed
Netflix rushed this series. Iron Fist is actually a good story but unfortunately it seems Marvel and Netflix didn't care about this story for some reason. There is so much potential and it's such a shame that the fight choreography wasn't even that good
Allan Alberts Didn't that guy also ruin Dexter?! It's no wonder Iron Fist had problems. What was Marvel thinking? Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Daredevil had good shows but Iron Fist gets rushed?
The character is all about martial arts and they couldn't get that right.
Wggdin Briones They had all the time to do right with the fight scenes and even Iron Fist and it's mythology but instead tried turning it into Arrow
Wasn't they working on it from 2013? they even pushed it back and put Luke Cage 3rd (4th if you count DD S2) ater his great performance in JJ so they had plenty of time.. i think the showrunner was a shitty/lazy appointment and their downfall
I have to say Finn Jones was pretty bad... I got all sorts of High School Drama King acting tricks from him. Everyone else kind of knew (somehow) they were in a show that would be subpar... Jones thought he was doing Hamlet in the Globe for the Queen! Overacting from the first second he came on screen... Also, this show had NO TEETH! By the end of the pilots for all three shows there was serious blood on the floor! I was disappointed in Jessica Jones pilot until the elevator scene, then was like DAMN! She's got an uphill climb! Not so much with Iron Fist... I'm making myself finish it just because it's leading up to Defenders. Emphasis on "making".
The meachums storyline was actually the most interesting IMO. Ward was my favorite character is the series.
Agreed, he reminded me somewhat of Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad, of course the storyline was comppressed into just this one season but he had that whole "tortured by his servitude" thing going on
All the time Danny was like "me, me ,me" and Ward was more... human.
Fredrik D. Monster joy
Ward was so good I could feel his pain through the drug addiction scenes amazing actor.
Fun fact: 100% of the people complaining about white washing in Iron Fist have never heard of the character before the Netflix series.
+ Sphinx _07 Any other bullshit 'facts' you want to pull out of your ass?
+ Leonel Colina And yet, following what I previously stated, that would mean your comment is complete bullshit, just like the OP's comment.
Maximo Lopez Well, OP isn't wrong...
Sphinx _07 Agreed.
Sphinx _07 thing is, I haven't read the comics and I researched on it. So yeah, anyone who claims whitewashing of Iron Fist, you might want to research first before trolling on the show.
*I wanted more iron fisting*
-Chris Stuckmann 2017
R.J. Macasa sounds like a sex toy
sure does !
Ward: How did you get up here? This building has maximum security.
Iron fist: IM DANNY RAND!!!!
This show in a nutshell
I like the part where Danny tries to meditate in the middle of a fight then gets kicked in the head.
It reminded me of Rey meditating during a fight and not getting her head cut off... wait... sexism!
Shifu Careaga please don't tell me you're being serious...
He wasn't trying to kill her... he was trying to convert her and bring her back to Snoke as was clearly discussed in the movie...
I was really interested in the character Ward. I felt he was quite interesting and added some humanity to a sort of plain show.
Agreed
I actually really enjoyed the series. Don't get everyone's beef with it.
Its a bit slow but after a few watches you enjoy it alot more! I know i will return to IronFist after the Defenders
I totally agree. Although I can see some of its flaws at some points (but not throughout the whole series), I actually enjoyed it the most. Jessica Jones had a better written and played villain, but the series was much slower, she used her powers even less, and at times she was even more confused and jerk-ish than Iron Fist. So... why do people think this is was "great" with her but "not OK" with Iron Fist?
Plus... the fact that in Iron Fist, sometimes you don 't really know who the actual "bad guy" is, I found it really great and interesting!
Jessica Jones is number 1 on my list then Daredevil. I think the reason people give Jessica Jones a pass i think is because it had a noir, straight up actual real world versions of stuff if that makes sense and the stuff jessica jones has been through while with Iron Fist not saying he didnt go through bad stuff obviously but if you spent time in a kingdom basically, know meditation and really have a good chunk of people at your side to help you then what the hell. While Jessica it was more secluded and she was literally in a parasite. Don't forget the Hand......People like myself after watching Daredevil expected the Hand on Steroids when iron fist came out and it felt like we got the JV team and you can totally tell it had the Captain america syndrome since The first avenger was the last individual property before the avengers and they could not really do more without over spilling in this case Iron Fist was against the wall of the Defenders
Yeah... Iron Fist grew up in a "nice" surrounding (although, even this is debatable), but he was in a completely different world for the most part of his life. So, the confusion he shows when he re-entered modern world can be very reasonable and expected. I found it to be 100% "right" and at the same time fun to watch.
Joseph Parkes you and some others are just the exception
8:45 CHRIS WANTED MORE
IRON FISTING
Captain Obvious Chris plz...
Chris wanted more of ME, I know!
Please assume the position.
He doesn't want to get Smurfed
He wants to be Iron Fisted.
I actually really enjoyed Wards storyline. I think he's the best character in the show.
kbg12ila The show should have been called "Meet the Meachums"
Exactly!!! Honestly, the part most people complain about is the best part of the show. How is it a drag to listen to such interesting characters. I don't get it.
His character is more engaging than Danny, and he's a WAY better actor too. And David Wenham is GREAT
kbg12ila Same, totally agree.
kbg12ila Ward's story is compelling. I was hoping he would incorporate a bit of his Bunker character from Banshee.
"Needed more *iron fisting*."
- Chris Stuckmann 2017
🤣
I didn't mind it but I didn't like the character of Danny Rand himself. I actually liked Ward's character development much better but I felt they spent too much time at Rand.
Nova3482 I liked Davos more than Danny even though we don't really get much of him.
SlothGiraffe I know right.
"You're a Cancer Danny!!" love that line coming from Ward, it became the phrase that summarized the plot of Iron Fist for me.
15 years of meditation still a cry baby
Ameya Benare 😂
To be fair, they did explain that by saying that monks forced repression of anger leading to outbursts at times
Well, if you take Freud's teachings in consideration, you'll see that the meditation the monks taught Danny was not to find peace, but to repress feelings to to his subconscious, leading to hysteria (physical symptoms to a mental illness: his unability to summon the Iron Hand and not fight properly, for example) and other traumas. Add into the mix the fact he never was properly taught how to act/live in the normal world, lost his parents at a very young age and got outright reject a ton of times by his family before convincing them he was truly Danny.
TheArases nothing Freud said was actually true tho
Eric Trujillo you either are a troll or never had psychology classes
top 3 characters
1. Colleen
2. Ward
3. Gao
Ward is the best actor tbh....and loved his role most
bingo
The guy who played Ward was great, but the character made me want to puke
wards a daddy
The scene of him spinning around in the chair flipping off the hidden cameras was great.
Ward is the example I hold up to show how surprisingly good the second half of the first scene is; they took a character who was a completely iredeemable asshole and redeemed him. That's really impressive writing, honestly.
Saying that the shows gets bogged down by the stuff at Rand implies that the actual Iron Fist stuff is in any way interesting or cool. I honestly agree with the Cinema Snob, in that I find the Mechum's to be way more interesting than Danny.
The Meachums are hands-down the best part of the show, which was a pleasant surprise in its own way.
One of the problems with the series, they kept showing the same flashbacks over and over and over again! I was so fucking annoyed with how many times they showed the plane crash scene ! They should learn doing flashbacks from Arrow !
I mostly agree with you on aspects of weak storyline and the often annoying character of Danny (although I didn't think Coleen was as good as you say). However, my biggest difference of opinion is, as a lot of people in the comments seem to think as well, that Ward as a character (with his "daddy issues") was actually the most interesting and compelling part of the show for me! I found myself waiting for the main storyline to make way for Ward's again. I didn't love Harold, but the developments with regards to Joy and Ward (and Rand Company) were what kept me watching actually.
Dutch_Noob_ Ward's redemption arc was good, I liked it. Joy was a decent character until her last scene, which made no sense.
I wanted to like it but i had major issues.
#1 the whole first three episodes is like "i cant beleive that guy is pretending to be danny" "that guy kinda looks like danny" "what if that guy is danny, crazy right?" I just wanted them to shut up with that crap it was annoying.
#2 his sidekick guy, why is it that everytime someone meets him they have to go "oh hey do you have the iron fist too?" Like they have to set up his resentment and jealousy of danny for taking what he thought was his, but thats lazy ass writing. They dont need such blatant dialogue to get the point across, they needed to make it more subtle jesus christ, talk about deflating any kind of tension that may have been possible.
# 3 the fight scenes were below average imo, especially compared to daredevil season 2 and hes supposed to be a "living weapon" he sure as hell didnt look like it, it reminded me of karate kid with ralph macchio. That asain girl at the dojo has better fight scenes than danny and thats pathetic, they need better feats of strength to set up the hierarchy of martial artists.
#4 danny is a whiny little bitch. Hes supposed to be a monk but he is quick to anger and acts without thinking most of the time, i guess they didnt teach him patience and modesty at the monestary
#5 an ancient shadow organization cant seem to track danny down even though hes hiding in plain sight. You think they would know who their mortal enemy is and be able to find him, especially considering you know, hes a god damn billionaire?
I dunno it just pissed me off and disappointed me.
I just watched iron fist it really wasn't that bad season 1 was decent , season 2 was great and Danny isn't whinny at all..
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 yes he is......all he does is whine and bitch....and not in a "real men cry too" kind of way either
@@1369Stiles nope I didnt see any whining from Danny in iron fist..
Lool, i can't agree more with the "i am the iron fist , not you , me" comment you made.
I would give it a 'B-'.
Danny's character got very irritating in the end. I actually enjoyed the Meachums drama more than the Hand storyline. Ward's arc was great. Best character in the show.
A good corporate drama. But an okayish superhero show
Shritan Srivatsavai Danny was never irritating to me
Rejector71 I liked him, till the 9th episode. It's just that he hardly had any variations, and there was no change in his character
Shritan Srivatsavai But I loved him over the 9th episode. I didn't see the change of him in my opinion
Rejector71 good for you man. glad you enjoyed it
Shritan Srivatsavai Thank you 😊
I disagree, I actually think Ward's story and his arc is by far the best part of the show!
I agree. I hated the Bakuto storyline.
Its so funny I thought the opposite. I actually thought the subplot with Ward and his father and sister was more interesting then the main Iron fist plot. I thought Ward was an interesting and multilayered character. I donno, that part of the show was more gritty and suspenseful. They could almost have their own spin-off series.
I thought Ward was the best character and I only watched the show in the end because his character was really interesting whereas Danny was like a petualant 2 year old
Also Colleen was pretty great too
Ward was the best character in my opinion as well! I thought Danny was good too though, even though he was whiny toward the end especially.
totally agree. Ward is a complex character that grows and changes thru the season. Danny is not only petulant, but also pretty stupid.
And just shit at being the iron fist. Also every time he said chi, it took me back to dragonball evolution
the only reason i watch this is because of the genuinely interesting company sub plot, could not give less of a shit about the rest of the show.
Claire Temple as always was a queen
Julia Aarushi I want punisher NOWWWWWW
Same man
Julia Aarushi I personally like Luke cage the most just because of the setting.
Julia Aarushi Exact same thoughts. It's a show based off a comic book so I'm okay with crazy stuff going down. But the inconsistencies with the characters and poor diolague etc really made me dislike Iron fist and the second half of Luke cage.
Radiant Fighter I liked Luke Cage a lot too but Daredevil has a special place in my heart and Kilgrave was just an amazing villain
I thought ward in this show was amazing
Kaoflame Primary he was a bit bland in delivering his lines, but his motivation is pretty interesting, could see him to be a great villain if done right
Kaoflame Primary He was my favorite character trough the whole show, ftw his acting was so fucking on point.
Kaoflame Primary , really? I thought he was the worst actor in the entire show.
Kaoflame Primary Terrible at first, easily the weakest character and actor, but the moment the drug addiction came apparent he became the a very good character and one of the better actors.
Kaoflame Primary yes
I'm just really glad they didn't kill off Ward at the end because there's something there. The last two episodes I think were really good. And the whole flip with Davos and Joy was not expected really. Coming into the the show you thought Ward would end up being the one going down the dark road instead of Joy *Spoilers*
RelayReview Right? That ending came straight from left field, and there was absolutely zero reason or motive whatsoever for Joy to be in that concluding scene
Why the hell did you wait until the end to put the spoiler warning
Agreed, at the point where Ward lied to Danny about the Hand killing Harold because of what he did, I figured Ward would be more of an antagonist by the end. He honestly became one of my favorite parts of the season by the end. The Meachums were complex enough where I'd like to see what becomes of them in the future, and whether Joy will ever come back around.
Finn Jones plays the character well, just not how ppl expected. He played Danny Rand as a 10 year old boy, which makes sense for the character...he is emotionally stunted. From the trauma of the plane crash to the trauma of training with the monks, he never grew up. If you look at it in that context, he plays the character perfectly...his fight choreography does leave much to be desired, though.
Luke Beaulieu But he trained to be a monk. He really shouldn't act that way.
Shouldn't someone who trained his mind and body for 15 years in a monastery among monks be more stable? An year of meditation transforms a regular person. This is the iron first we're talking about here.
Luke Beaulieu I dunno. His training seemed to be all about beatings and suppression of feelings, so I'm not at all surprised that he never really had time to grieve and that coming back to New York would bring all of that suppressed shit back up. I would have liked him to be more zen but I think it fits, even with the training. I feel like becoming the best fighter in K'un Lun became an obsession early on and he never really dealt with his issues.
Renu Sharma "iron first." This is what I'm gonna say if I'm the first to comment on a video.
Renu Sharma They explain this in the show. They are taught to suppress their feelings, not get rid of them. So it's natural that when he returns home he is a person stuck between two worlds, and has no idea how to handle it. He's still a young guy, and a young iron fist. It calls for good development going forward.
Am i the only one that loved wards storyline?
nah, Ward, his Dad and Colleen were the only people with any charisma
Considering that your avatar is from the DCU I'm not surprised
far more interesting than anything with Danny rand.
DirtyMack considering your avatar is from family guy, I doubt you know what good comedy is.
Aurkin95 No, I completely agree. I did feel towards the end that they maybe spent too much time on the Meachums, but the actor who played Ward was phenomenal when he had the chance to show it. His arc in Episode 8 was the first time I was really sucked in by this show.
i liked it, pretty racist how people were saying he should have been chineese just because he does martial arts...especially when he is white in the comics too.
+Jacob Schultz I have not seen the show, but based on what I've seen about it, I totally agree.
It's not just about the guy being chinese... It's about him being chinese *and* the actor knowing martial arts. Just his ethnic background alone might have led to more interesting stories, and maybe even some of the cheesy dialog coming off better. But who knows
Hamza the actors ethnicity wouldn't change a damn thing because the culture he learns everything from isn't a real place therefore a Chinese man wouldn't relate to it much. I think the only thing racist is implying that only a Chinese man can know martial arts
SerCambria358 a chinese man can know martial arts
WeAreAllJust SuitsForSkeletons ok, your point?
The action in this show is horrible if compared to daredevil.
Definitely the fighting looked too slow and choreograph
To be fair Daredevil looks a bit more stocked. Despite him literally having detective skills and agility. Ironfist really showed he is way more agile show wise
Then don't compare it then
I wish the action in Iron Fist had been like that of "Into the Badlands". That show is action kung-fu choreography done right.
Matt Poogerman WHAT Daredevil had one of the best fight scenes ever
I didn't hate Iron Fist, I acrually felt that the Meachem family was much more interesting. Especially Harold and Ward, but the only thing I felt walking away from it was that can that Daredevil would murder Iron Fist in a fight!
1. Netflix Daredevil is a master of Boxing, ninjutsu, Muay Thai, ground and pounding, Kung Fu, Judo, Akido, Capoeria, Taekwondo, Pro wrestling, tricking, and eskrima. Iron Fist has only been confirmed to have mastered Kung Fu. That's a huge disadvantage for Danny seeing that he would not be able to anticipate Daredevil's next attack as martial artists do to prepare for a counter because his fighting style is comprised of 11 other fighting styles he seemingly does not know.
2. Secondly, Danny never faced real skilled Hand ninjas. The closest would be Bakuto but even he was fairly easy. He was defeated by Colleen in a sword fight and she was his apprentice. He was no where near the skill level of say Nobu from season 1 or season 2 of Daredevil, I feel that Nobu may even be one of the most skilled fighters in all of the MCU. But anyways, for the most part Danny was fighting teen aged hand soldiers who were unarmed while Daredevil was facing real skilled ninjas with Katanas, Shurikens, Bow and Arrows, and more. Also the Hand felt very cheap in Iron Fist, we never really saw someone dressed like a ninja which gave me the sense that both Madame Gao's and Bakuto's faction of the hand weren't nearly as skilled as Nobu's faction. Take the tournament i episode 6 for example, none of the warriors looked very skilled because they looked like every other gang member. Also how stupid was Danny to fall for the bride of nine spiders.
3. Daredevil also has body armor that would soften and absorb the blow of almost every hit Danny throws at him. (Regular hits, not Iron fist attacks) He also has his billy clubs that he can use for long, mid, or close ranged combat making him a much more versatile fighter.
4. Daredevil is also much more durable even without his armor seeing that he was sliced like salami by Nobu with his Shoge Hook. Danny feels more like a glass cannon who never really fires.
5. The only way I see Danny being able to win in a straight up fight would be to use his Iron Fist but Matt would be able to sense the thermal energy as he is summoning his chi and would cautiously keep his distance dodging or using his bill clubs at far range until he loses his chi which only lasts for seven to 20 seconds give or take. Once his chi is drained he would be depleted of energy making it easier for Daredevil to deliver a knock out.
Gojira5400 dude, get a girlfriend.
bkLEGION3000 lol your probably right, I should XD
Get a fan-girlfriend and nerd out together, all good, =) and I like your comment
Raul Rosiles Hahaha if only there were some, but thanks.
Its pretty sad when your TV series is called Iron Fist, and nearly every character on the show who is NOT Iron Fist - characters like Colleen, Joy, Ward, Harold, and Claire - were far more interesting than Iron Fist was. To add insult to injury, Iron Fist's distinctive ability is that he is a superb martial artist, so you would think that the martial arts choreography and filming would be top notch. No! The other Marvel Netflix series, like Daredevil, do hand to hand combat better than the show about a character who is supposed to be a martial arts expert. Iron Fist is arguably the worst Marvel adaptation to TV - even worse than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. That is saying a lot.
agents of shield is pretty bad.
Jude Ceant I agree lol
Drake Santiago agents of shield is really good though. one if the best shows on tv right now. so not that's an awful comparison
Drake Santiago think it much harder to choreograph Kung fu and make it interesting and believable.
DD fights were far better bc he just beat the shit out people and also took plenty of damage. They looked like real fights.
Claire is an annoying bitch
Iron fist dissapointed. This may sound picky, but the camera work for the fight scenes sucked. Theres a scene where danny fights a guy in a hospital file room. It cuts back and fourth literally 20 times in 2 seconds. You can barely tell wtf is going on. Compare that to daredevils brillant NO CUTS, one continuous shot fight scene in the hallway. It was resident evil movie bad...
DrViperVideos There's a video out where it show 46 cuts in his hallway scene while Daredevil had 1 continuous shot...It goes to show how little fucks they gave about this show.
you can't compare daredevils big budget fight scene in a hallway to a throw away fight . Its also not "no cuts" the cuts are just hidden to make it seem continuous
This is not nitpicking this is basic cinematic understanding. Every person should be able to spot bad editing because its something that can ruin the whole project
Does not matter. Just shows that the Daredevil people bothered t make it look good, while the Iron Fist people did not.
Than You said the same exact thing I think I counted about the same amount cuts it reminds of Taken 3 when Liams character tries to jump a fence I see a lot of people say the fighting sucks but your the first to say why it sucks people to many cuts in a one scene is bad film making and I am glad I am not the only one who saw it
The iron fist is chi-sy.
Brian Green Yeah but I think it’s grate
Cheesy*
@@chrishansen4418 great*
420likeazombie .....
Danny's story line itself was the most boring tripe ever. Ward was the most interesting and well fleshed out character imho.
Forget this show. Legion is where it's at
Hayden Jones ,you damn right! !!!
Legion is pretty. Legion is loved.
Hayden Jones yeeaa can't wait for the season finale tonight!
I would like to see David put Iron Fist in a wall.
Hayden Jones is good? i knkw about it just havent seen it
i actually liked the stuff with the company, and enjoyed the performance of the guy who plays the older brotah
This show gets way too much hate
Marvelmania360 it was assss
Not the best but not the worst marvel thing cough fant4stic cough xmen origins
Cough ironman 3
Marvelmania360 just because its really bad.
noooo, nothing is that bad tbh
Ward Meachum and his father were the best things about that show.. Only reason I kept watching that struggle show. smh..
Last time I was this early, Chris was excited about Rogue One
Good one!
Thanks bro
he's right you know.
geekdom poser lmao
Isn't it more racist to assume the character should be Asian just because he does kong fu? Lol
Remy Dillon Iron Fist should have been an Asian Women then the critics would have had a jizz-fit 😂.
Remy Dillon Trueeee
You're an idiot and you don't know what racism is
Astral Projection how do you figure? It's an Asian stereotype that all asians know some sort of martial art. So saying a character that is a master of kong fu needs to be Asian may not be derogatory, but is in fact racist because their only argument for why the character should be Asian is because he does kong fu
Or a Latino man.
I think Finn Jones is perfect for the role. It's all about how he was written, i can't blame the actor for the performance.
Exactly.
And Finn Jones have done incredible work in other stuff mainly in Game Of Thrones. So it's clear that the writers and the directors are to blame for his performance
"BUT I'M DANNY RAND! waah!" is pretty much season 1, it blows
Stuart Parry I agree
I'M THE IRON FIST EVEN THOUGH I IRON FISTED LIKE TWICE
Stuart Parry that was actually only the first 2-3 episodes, looks like someone stopped watching
TastyDash I watched it all, including the stupid ice cream murder, flying to china and back in a day, even the whole "we need to save K'un Lin, oh, it's not here" ending
I didn't say that bit was bad, just the whole "hey, we'll go to china" and then they were home again. I was expecting them to go through customs and baggage lines, it just felt rushed.
THANK YOU for doing a proper review by watching all 13 episodes. I don't mind the critics that were only given the first six to review. That have to judge by what was offered. For the folks that posted their "reviews" or "discussions" before completing the season --- likely for the sake of making a deadline --- they tarnished their credibility in my eyes.
I've noticed that a lot of RT's scores for TV shows are only based on reviews of the first episode, and they don't represent a running or final tally of the whole season. It strikes me as disingenuous.
That Finn Jones acting impression was spot on ! Lmaooo
David Hernandez Are you being sarcastic?
while I agree with you about the Show being good but not amazing, I feel like you missed the point with the Rand corporation. it's HIS company. HIS legacy. that's not filler. in the comics, especially in the New Avengers, he is the CEO of Rand Industries. he's a more street level Iron Man. Having his company at his disposal is a part of his character. The show definitely dragged but I don't think the Rand storyline is to blame. In all seriousness, this being the last show before the Defenders, they really SHOULD have brought in Daredevil or (even better) Luke Cage, since they are supposed to have a history together. it's just ridiculous that Claire is all "you need help I know people that have fought the Hand"...but doesn't go get Daredevil or Luke Cage to help out?!? now they are just going to waste 4 or 5 episodes of the defenders to make everyone meet up when they should have had this happen already.
To be fair, Luke was in jail during this series. But yeah, at least go get JJ or DD.
Spot on critique. Couldn't agree more.
I liked it but I wanted MORE.
That Buffy shirt. It just . . . I love you man.
David Orefice i wonder where he found it
I actually really liked this series, the corporate Rand stuff, Ward, etc. - I thought that stuff was good. It was the whole Bakuto/Hand Sect part that turned me off a bit.
Thank god that you mentioned the fact that whitewashing wasn't the issue
+ Hayvok 64 Yeah, there are a lot of problems with the show and some of the acting regardless of how one feels about Danny's race.
Tom Pelphrey as Ward Meachum & Sacha Dhawan as Davos were the only saving grace in this awful series.
AgentMcQueen agree
I am the Iron Fist! Hilarious.
I am batman is better
John Lee the iron fist doesn't work! but I am the iron fist!
I am Toots Magoots
the good thing about the show - WARD, he is such a great actor and SUCH a complex character, the show goes from hating him to hating him even more and then liking him and then to loving him, aaand thats basically about it, the show is not terrible but just sub par, the main iron fist actor cannot really act that good, he has one expression throughout the entire series, a lot of episodes are really slow moving and there is an inconsistence in the show, the pacing is all over the place plus it reveals that everything we have learned about the hand in dare devil may not necessarily be true which i think might be a good thing..not sure yet.
WARD is the hero, but yeah not terrible but average but i did like the whole chi thing though, it makes you want to learn that slow marital arts dance thing, its inspiring
This show was more enjoyable the Luke Cage, in my opinion. Just a little bit more interesting with all the psychological stuff going on between Ward, joy and Harold. The dude who played iron fist had such a nice karisma to him and I think he played the character quite well. This is in no way a week link to the Marvel series.
Danny Bland
that Finn Jones impression was pretty good
Love that shirt, Chris! Would you ever do a review for Angel and Buffy down the line?
I think he plans too. Buffy is a great series and worth a review, even my least favorite seasons( 4 and 7) of the show had gems.
I don't really get the love for Colleen in this. Sure, she was arguably the best character... but out of a roster of just bad characters, it's not saying much. I found her extremely predictable.
Honestly, I probably enjoyed Davos the most, as while he was also lacking in subtlety, I found myself really enjoying the scene where he talked to Claire about Shou-Lou and tried pizza for the first time.
I like your Angel' shirt Chris
Colleen and Ward made the show. Despite it's mediocre, i've enjoyed the show.
SteebRNR yeah he didn't like the company and the siblings but that's the best part of the show. I hated Finn Jones.
Chris please review LEGION!
legion is fucking amazing.
Sara Girão YES! Personally, I think FOX is getting back on the right track with their Marvel stuff, lately. Legion is one of the best TV shows I've ever seen, and Deadpool and Logan are two of the most creative superhero films out there. I hope the MCU isn't failing, because Iron Fist is just disappointing. At least Guardians of the Galaxy 2 looks great!
Connor Morley Couldn't agree more with you! And it was approved for a 2nd season :D
Daredevil - almost perfect
JJ - very, very good
Luke Cage - good
Iron Fist - dissapoinment
Exactly.
DUDE ANGEL BUFFY AND SPIKE
A fair and reasonable review of Iron Fist, holy sh!t.
Hey Chris, you should check out Legion and do a review on it when they're done with season 1, it's REALLY cool!
The one thing I cannot forgive is how the hell a 15years-well-trained monk can be so impatient, spoiled, mindless and short-tempered. If Daredevil with all the voices and shits can be so self controlled then Iron fist should be even more contained.
It's unjustified.
Danny Rand? More like Danny BLAND.
*sitcom laughing tracks*
but seriously, that's funny.
Basil Brush is proud of you. BOOM BOOM!
ZING!
*Ba Dum tsss*
nore like danny RANT
I feel like I'm the only person who really loved the show. I really think people are making massive problems out of very minor points
Le Monke I love the show too
Is a good show not amazing like daredevil but good.
It’s really good, Ward has some great character ark. It’s an overlooked show imo.
The writing and plot are pretty cliché, it's annoyingly easy to anticipate what they are going to say.
bunny m I swear. I felt the same way. plenty of times I said their lines before them
Heralds worker: can I have vanilla ice cream I don't like these other fancy flavors
Herald: I went through all the trouble to buy these flavors and all you do is complain.
Ends up killing him with a spoon.
BEST PART
I actually really really liked the show, but admittedly I am a person who just loves things
Chris Stuckman's videos have Better fight scenes than Iron Fist.
metalheadofrock #Savage #Petty
metalheadofrock well he is right
You know what? I'm gonna have to go ahead and second that.
metalheadofrock Fuck yeah!
psh, my childhood has better fight scenes than Iron Fist.
No mention of Rosario Dawson? She was amazing!
Hamza Joozer when is she not amazing lol. she is a great actor
Hamza Joozer the actress of Claire right? There's such a huge conflict
"That plans crazy"
Bitch you've met 3 Superheroes.
Yeah but to be fair, she met dare devil, who can actually fight, JJ, who has super strength, Cage who is invulnerable, and Danny, a whiney little bitchboy who can only use his power once before he needs to take a nap.
I found her wining the whole time. u can't kill people that have no right being alive.
She was so annoying in this show. Her dialogue was too comedic, she kept on monologue-ing as well, and she was always third wheel to Danny and Colleen, and her character felt like it could easily be written out of the story.
All your criticisms were my favourite parts of the show.
This review 8:47 - "I wanted more Iron fisting"
The Devil's Candy review 4:37 - "I like weird shit".
Yea...
mat sh lel oendejo
"Phrasing"
mat sh wow you actually went back to an older video and copied the time code where chris says those words
Actual research and work went into your comment.
Not bad.
I have to disagree, the Harold and Ward sub plot was very interesting, I liked how Harold linked to every aspect of the story, and I love how conflicted Wards character was, he hated his father but loved him at the same time, he wanted to run Rand his own way but his dad kept controlling him and altering his decisions, he was stressed out from work and then Danny comes along and he wants to believe its Danny but can't or won't because of greed and the fact that Danny is such a different person. He is addicted to prescription drugs and ends up turing to heroin when things get too much, then he kills his father because he can't handle the secrets he holds anymore. All this and he can't even tell his own sister. I thought Ward was easily one of the best and most indepth characters there was in the series. Even though its just a sub plot he was a far better character than Joy or Harold. Danny was a weak character and I agree he was abit corny and not very compelling at times. I didn't like Danny's choices, he was calm and controlled and smart at the beginning but towards the end his motives and planning were abscent from every scene, he was just this fool who thought he was instantly better than everyone and it just came across as cheesy. He would just run from place to place fighting people and losing getting himself in dumb situations. Danny didn't feel like much of a super hero either. He had the iron fist but never really used it, unlike Luke Cage or Daredevil who were unbeatable in almost every fight, Danny would win against a master fighter but then lose against a fucking bodyguard, its like the writers forgot who Danny was whilst writing the script. For me the series was a solid 6/10. Its a good watch but it can be corny and unconvincing at times.
i feel like Colleen went from wanting to stay away from Danny to being his best friend in like 2 episodes. It made no sense
+ BROKN Yeah, I really don't understand why they wrote Danny being creepy and then had him rewarded for creepy behavior, instead of writing him in a way that would have allowed for Colleen to want to befriend him in a realistic fashion.
Also she seemed super rigid and dogmatic about honor and then she does a 180 about cage fighting, I just went 'WTF?"
They wrote Danny that way because he grew up outside of our society, in a place where things were done different. He had to learn that sometimes the things he was taught don't really work out too well in the rest of the world.
+ Panthror I don't see how his creepy or entitled behavior is explained away by being raised by monks. They could have written him differently; that they wrote him as entitled and unable to comprehend when a woman says 'no' is the problem.
I didn't say it was good writing. I merely explained, what I thought was, the reasoning for how he was written.
Also it is explained why he is that way. In one episode we learn the monks didn't accept failure, Danny was punished if he couldn't do something and was pushed to try harder until he succeeded. So, if a woman says "No", Danny interprets this as failure, which to him means he just has to try harder.
I loved Faramir in this show. The character and performance were really good and interesting