If you put everything from the Seestern (bracelet, bezel, dial, hands, and crystal) in the Tactical Frog case, you would have the perfect watch! Great vid as always, Chris!
Yep lol. Watched this video because I thought I definitely was going to pick one up. I think even just putting a regular bezel on the Frog would make it worth buying. Both have too many things wrong to warrant my purchase.
I have that exact Seestern and it has also been +1 second per day. It’s a great watch. It feels very well made and punches way above its price point. Seestern all the way here.
Another thing I sure noticed when looking at my new frog is how long the second hand is, I’m practically looking for scrape marks on the inner metal chapter ring it’s so close to touching I think that’s so cool, The distortion from the sapphire crystal makes it look like it actually is. One other thing I found interesting is there was a dark blue sticker over my crown where the little frog is etched. And when I peel the sticker now the frog is highlighted in dark blue. Kind of a cool touch. Also I think I prefer that the centre links are fused because can you imagine how annoying it would be to perfectly line up all the rows of rice beads to re-insert the screw pin.
Very fair and considered review. I agree with a comment below that if the Seestern had the Tactical Frog case it would be the overwhelming winner. As it is, still the Seestern for me (I also prefer the hands on the Seestern).
Very well made comparison as usual. Thank you so much. As mentioned before I do have the V1 Frog and the V2 Seestern. I like them both very much but I wear the seestern a little bit more often. I think that‘s because of the new color of the dial. The silver dial ist so well made. After all there are a few things that I like more with the Frog: 1. the slimer case 2. the domed Crystal, very vintage 3. the much better clasp. Opens and closes much better. The bracelets don‘t wear that different. I think as a lot of other viewers: A combination of both would be great. Like you‘ve said, both of them aren‘t perfect, but I like them. Have a good time.
What colour was the rubber strap on your teal Seestern? Today I received my aquamarine or teal frog and they gave me a dark green olive coloured NATO which I will never use I would’ve much rather preferred a black rubber strap
From a observation of the video the Seestern is nearer in appearance to my original Doxa Sub 300T. I have to say I’d like to pick up a Seestern in the black dial (Sharkhunter in Doxa parlance) version.
I have the TF 300t in the same color & just received the Seestern 600t. Not the same watches of course but the Seestern is visibly better in terms of finish, it just stands out.
Very well thought out comparison, for me the seestern just takes the win, its still the better of the two and is the one I would go for. Now if you could blend the two by taking the Tacticals case and putting everything else from the seestern into it, that would be perfect.
Good video. I own the V2 Seestern in orange and am quite happy with it. Tactical Frog can't seem to figure out how to produce a proper bezel. First the tachy bezel now this. It's pretty ridiculous. I really like the black dial Seestern with the orange hand.
That's interesting, I have both a V1 and V2 Tactical Frog and the changes are welcome specifically in the bezel, BUT I don't think you can call the TF's crystal a high dome, as it's a bit raised but nowhere near as much as many other watches are, in my experience? However, I thought the Seestern had a lumed date wheel, which is one their outstanding features, but it didn't show up on your video?
Excellent video! For me personally the Seestern maintains it's edge over the Tactical Frog with its better build quality, the better bracelet and the actually usable bezel. But if I had bought either watch in it's version one I'd not be happy to already own an obsolete watch.
Thank you!🙏🏻 Yes I agree on both fronts. They do seem to be releasing updated versions at a fast pace. I suppose it’s good news for potential buyers, but not so good for those of us who have already purchased!
Just took delivery of a Frog case intending to build my own. Unfortunately the bezel alignment is off enough to drive me crazy. Complained and the best I could get was a 50% refund. Seems to be a far too common problem judging by this and other reviews.
I have the Tactical Frog V2. I was kind of surprised/disappointed with the chapter ring sort of leaning inwards toward the crystal. It makes the outermost radius of the dial somewhat obscured. Strange decision by Tactical Frog. This bit seems more normal on the Seestern.
@@seadweller44 Lol if I order a version 3 it’ll be obsolete because by the time I get it they’ll probably be a version 4 But yeah this version three looks like it’s what it should have been right from the beginning just a simple minute timer. I can use my version 2 like that but you have to guess every five minutes how much time has elapsed without the minute marker rotating like version three
I have had both of these and the Seestern is a much better example just by the bezel action alone.. I do wish Seestern would have used a domed acrylic crystal and really stay true to the original and that's a mod i am looking into. nice review!
Strictly speaking, the seestern is a copy of the current issue doxa sub 300t (or the older 1200T) which has a flat sapphire crystal, the original also had a flat crystal, but it was mineral rather than sapphire. Ive yet to see a homage of the sub 300 (no T), with either the domed acrylic of the 1960s version or sapphire of the reissue, that would be pretty nice.
Yes I agree, that would be great. For me, the Seestern case reminds me of the current 300T and the case shape of the Frog reminds me of the Sub300. But I do think a dedicated homage to Sub300 with slightly thinner axe and domed crystal would be very interesting.👍🏻😄
Got my v2 frog today absolutely love it. Even though my lume pip is like yours it doesn’t exactly line up I could care less. I put it on my time grapher app and it is very close to “zero” so they definitely regulated them. Perfect fit on 7 inch wrists removing 4 links and using the middle micro adjust.
@@panchoskywalker nope, it doesn’t flop around or anything that’s particularly why I went for the Frog because I heard the Seestern has a thicker heavier case and I didn’t want it to be too heavy. Will make a vid soon.
@@RJtoon1 Great, thank you. I have the seestern V2 in silver and I am thinking about getting the frog in orange but I think I'll wait to see if there's a V3.
@@panchoskywalker Yeah I probably could’ve gone with the orange colour I don’t mind the blue, as you can see from my TH-cam photo it’s probably my favourite colour and it reminds me of my favourite TV show Miami Vice lol
This has convinced me that I don't want either one of these and maybe I will have to think about getting the actual Doxa Sub 300T Sharkhunter. Thank you.
@@watchluver Because Chris' reviews are wonderful. They're detailed and answer all the questions that I have about watches I'm interested in. I may be able to buy a 2k watch but I really don't ever want to. On 2nd thought, that Seestern V2 looks well worth it...
Just had a wee look at your comparison between TF 2 and the seesern 2 . From what I can see I think that the seesern looks and probably feels a lot more true to the sub 300 . TF appears to wear flatter and conform to the wrist with an appearance of a larger dial . Seestern looks in general shape and aesthetics much truer to the doxa . As you say although similar , on closer inspection the look and wear very different . Without seeing them in the flesh I get the impression seesern have the likeness to the doxa nailed whereas tactical frog have missed the mark by quite a bit .
A friend has the pagani design doxa homage and there's really not that much difference between the pagani or the seestern doxa homage apart from fifty pound difference in price .
If I may ask what size wrist do you have I was trying to guess but I wasn't sure?? Trying to get a comparison I have a 7 and 1/2 to 8 in wrist this might look a little small on me not sure just wanted to ask you thank you
Yes, the V1 does have lumed date wheel. It was an option to have a lumed date wheel with the V2. I ordered the lumed date for my V2, but didn’t receive it. No idea why.
@@seadweller44 looked on Aliexpress and didn't see an option ... I might have to shop around and ask vendors before purchasing. Definitely want to get one, the V2 looks better but I do want the lumed date window.
I didn’t try to swap the bracelets over on the V2’s, so I’m afraid I don’t know if they are interchangeable or not. I know the V1 bracelets were not, but the TF did change the spring bar location holes, so I don’t know if the V2’s will be.
If you put everything from the Seestern (bracelet, bezel, dial, hands, and crystal) in the Tactical Frog case, you would have the perfect watch! Great vid as always, Chris!
100% agreed
Yep lol. Watched this video because I thought I definitely was going to pick one up. I think even just putting a regular bezel on the Frog would make it worth buying. Both have too many things wrong to warrant my purchase.
lets not forget the better bracelet and acutally the superior screw down crown with extra rubber seals the seestern has :D
Yes, I like the case shape of Frog a lot more.
Can’t do, bezels of Seestern and TF differ, as that the TF’s bezel only outside of the bezel turns.
Prefer the dimensions and case shape of the TF, but prefer the spec of the Seestern. What I would really like is a Tactical Seestern
🤣🤣Agreed!
I have that exact Seestern and it has also been +1 second per day. It’s a great watch. It feels very well made and punches way above its price point. Seestern all the way here.
Same here👍
Do you recommend ?
Since I've discovered DOXA are made in China I'm thinking Seastern
Another thing I sure noticed when looking at my new frog is how long the second hand is, I’m practically looking for scrape marks on the inner metal chapter ring it’s so close to touching I think that’s so cool, The distortion from the sapphire crystal makes it look like it actually is.
One other thing I found interesting is there was a dark blue sticker over my crown where the little frog is etched. And when I peel the sticker now the frog is highlighted in dark blue. Kind of a cool touch.
Also I think I prefer that the centre links are fused because can you imagine how annoying it would be to perfectly line up all the rows of rice beads to re-insert the screw pin.
Very fair and considered review. I agree with a comment below that if the Seestern had the Tactical Frog case it would be the overwhelming winner. As it is, still the Seestern for me (I also prefer the hands on the Seestern).
Great minds think alike! 🍻
Very well made comparison as usual. Thank you so much. As mentioned before I do have the V1 Frog and the V2 Seestern. I like them both very much but I wear the seestern a little bit more often. I think that‘s because of the new color of the dial. The silver dial ist so well made. After all there are a few things that I like more with the Frog:
1. the slimer case
2. the domed Crystal, very vintage
3. the much better clasp. Opens and closes much better. The bracelets don‘t wear that different.
I think as a lot of other viewers: A combination of both would be great.
Like you‘ve said, both of them aren‘t perfect, but I like them.
Have a good time.
Thank you.🙏🏻
I just received the Seestern V 2 today. I have the teal blue dial. So far so good. They also gave me a rubber strap for free.
What colour was the rubber strap on your teal Seestern? Today I received my aquamarine or teal frog and they gave me a dark green olive coloured NATO which I will never use I would’ve much rather preferred a black rubber strap
From a observation of the video the Seestern is nearer in appearance to my original Doxa Sub 300T. I have to say I’d like to pick up a Seestern in the black dial (Sharkhunter in Doxa parlance) version.
I have the TF 300t in the same color & just received the Seestern 600t. Not the same watches of course but the Seestern is visibly better in terms of finish, it just stands out.
Very well thought out comparison, for me the seestern just takes the win, its still the better of the two and is the one I would go for. Now if you could blend the two by taking the Tacticals case and putting everything else from the seestern into it, that would be perfect.
Absolutely agree! Thanks. 🙏🏻👍🏻😊
Good video. I own the V2 Seestern in orange and am quite happy with it. Tactical Frog can't seem to figure out how to produce a proper bezel. First the tachy bezel now this. It's pretty ridiculous. I really like the black dial Seestern with the orange hand.
Have you ever take it for swimming or even diving?
No I haven’t, I’m a certified desk diver!!🤣🤣
That's interesting, I have both a V1 and V2 Tactical Frog and the changes are welcome specifically in the bezel, BUT I don't think you can call the TF's crystal a high dome, as it's a bit raised but nowhere near as much as many other watches are, in my experience? However, I thought the Seestern had a lumed date wheel, which is one their outstanding features, but it didn't show up on your video?
Excellent video! For me personally the Seestern maintains it's edge over the Tactical Frog with its better build quality, the better bracelet and the actually usable bezel. But if I had bought either watch in it's version one I'd not be happy to already own an obsolete watch.
Thank you!🙏🏻 Yes I agree on both fronts. They do seem to be releasing updated versions at a fast pace. I suppose it’s good news for potential buyers, but not so good for those of us who have already purchased!
Everyone has to have the latest design shoes or your not in fashion, will have to say teal is my favorite color.
Hi! What is the diameter of the Tactical Frog bezel? Thank you!
I have both and bracelet aside I prefer the Frog. Better fit and I prefer the crystal and bezel.
I m curious, the frog head is lighter, right? Why does it have a better fit?
A great review, thank you. Liked and subscribed.
Just took delivery of a Frog case intending to build my own. Unfortunately the bezel alignment is off enough to drive me crazy. Complained and the best I could get was a 50% refund. Seems to be a far too common problem judging by this and other reviews.
I have the Tactical Frog V2. I was kind of surprised/disappointed with the chapter ring sort of leaning inwards toward the crystal. It makes the outermost radius of the dial somewhat obscured. Strange decision by Tactical Frog. This bit seems more normal on the Seestern.
Hey they’ve got a tactical frog version three now and they even make one in black PVD
They don’t hang about do they? Nice that a PVD version has surfaced, and I am glad they have rectified that potentially dangerous bezel scale. 👍🏻😊
@@seadweller44 Lol if I order a version 3 it’ll be obsolete because by the time I get it they’ll probably be a version 4
But yeah this version three looks like it’s what it should have been right from the beginning just a simple minute timer. I can use my version 2 like that but you have to guess every five minutes how much time has elapsed without the minute marker rotating like version three
The PVD looks quite good, but I think I’ll wait for the V4!! 🤣🤣🤣
I have had both of these and the Seestern is a much better example just by the bezel action alone.. I do wish Seestern would have used a domed acrylic crystal and really stay true to the original and that's a mod i am looking into. nice review!
Thank you 🙏🏻 A domed acrylic in the Seestern? I’d love to see that!👏🏻👏🏻
Strictly speaking, the seestern is a copy of the current issue doxa sub 300t (or the older 1200T) which has a flat sapphire crystal, the original also had a flat crystal, but it was mineral rather than sapphire.
Ive yet to see a homage of the sub 300 (no T), with either the domed acrylic of the 1960s version or sapphire of the reissue, that would be pretty nice.
Yes I agree, that would be great. For me, the Seestern case reminds me of the current 300T and the case shape of the Frog reminds me of the Sub300. But I do think a dedicated homage to Sub300 with slightly thinner axe and domed crystal would be very interesting.👍🏻😄
are both watches set in the PM? The date on the Seestern is already turning over while the Frog is staying put....
No, I messed up there! Accidentally set the Seestern to PM!👍🏻
Got my v2 frog today absolutely love it. Even though my lume pip is like yours it doesn’t exactly line up I could care less. I put it on my time grapher app and it is very close to “zero” so they definitely regulated them. Perfect fit on 7 inch wrists removing 4 links and using the middle micro adjust.
Is it top heavy?
@@panchoskywalker nope, it doesn’t flop around or anything that’s particularly why I went for the Frog because I heard the Seestern has a thicker heavier case and I didn’t want it to be too heavy. Will make a vid soon.
@@RJtoon1 Great, thank you. I have the seestern V2 in silver and I am thinking about getting the frog in orange but I think I'll wait to see if there's a V3.
I know Seestern are talking about a V3, unsure about Tactical Frog, but I’m sure they would follow suit.
@@panchoskywalker Yeah I probably could’ve gone with the orange colour I don’t mind the blue, as you can see from my TH-cam photo it’s probably my favourite colour and it reminds me of my favourite TV show Miami Vice lol
This has convinced me that I don't want either one of these and maybe I will have to think about getting the actual Doxa Sub 300T Sharkhunter. Thank you.
🙏🏻 Why the change of heart?
If you have the means to purchase an actual Doxa why even waste your time watching a review on a homage? 🤨
@@watchluver Because Chris' reviews are wonderful. They're detailed and answer all the questions that I have about watches I'm interested in. I may be able to buy a 2k watch but I really don't ever want to. On 2nd thought, that Seestern V2 looks well worth it...
That is very kind, thank you!👍🏻🙏🏻 I think, for the money, you can’t go far wrong with the Seestern!
@@OneBravo1 They really do scratch the Doxa itch! 👍👍😁
Just had a wee look at your comparison between TF 2 and the seesern 2 . From what I can see I think that the seesern looks and probably feels a lot more true to the sub 300 . TF appears to wear flatter and conform to the wrist with an appearance of a larger dial . Seestern looks in general shape and aesthetics much truer to the doxa . As you say although similar , on closer inspection the look and wear very different . Without seeing them in the flesh I get the impression seesern have the likeness to the doxa nailed whereas tactical frog have missed the mark by quite a bit .
A friend has the pagani design doxa homage and there's really not that much difference between the pagani or the seestern doxa homage apart from fifty pound difference in price .
If I may ask what size wrist do you have I was trying to guess but I wasn't sure?? Trying to get a comparison I have a 7 and 1/2 to 8 in wrist this might look a little small on me not sure just wanted to ask you thank you
Hi, I have 7.5 inch wrists. Apologies, I usually state this in my videos, but I omitted my wrist size in this one!
Didn't the V1 Seestern used to have a lumed date window?
Yes, the V1 does have lumed date wheel. It was an option to have a lumed date wheel with the V2. I ordered the lumed date for my V2, but didn’t receive it. No idea why.
@@seadweller44 looked on Aliexpress and didn't see an option ... I might have to shop around and ask vendors before purchasing. Definitely want to get one, the V2 looks better but I do want the lumed date window.
If you go to the Seestern website, you should see the options in there.👍🏻😊
The Seestern would be perfect if it had screw links and domed crystal. Still a great looking watch.
Have you tried to fit the seestern bracelet on the tactical frog V2? Will it fit?
I didn’t try to swap the bracelets over on the V2’s, so I’m afraid I don’t know if they are interchangeable or not. I know the V1 bracelets were not, but the TF did change the spring bar location holes, so I don’t know if the V2’s will be.
Height? Inches
The frog bezel not lining up is unforgivable, let alone the implications for diving due to only the outer bezel moving!
Better wait for V3!
Just subbed, but holy crap do you sound just like Jody.
😂We are both Scottish, but I’ll take it as a compliment! 👍🏻😊🙏🏻
V3 is here
I like the tactical frog's color more. It's more saturated. The seestern is so pale and muted
The 🐸 logo kill's it for me with Tactical Frog 👎 with DOXA being made in China I'll take Seastern 👍
Take the Frog v2 , mod it with a nh72 , reuse the indices on a skeletonized dial and grind down the "useless" inner bezel :D - TERMINATOR FROG
I’d really love to see that!👍🏻
@@seadweller44 the horology gods are my witnesses! i ordered a frog v2 yesterday
Excellent, keep me posted!😄👍🏻
Great design spoilt imho by that tiny hour hand
I could almost promise you NO DIVER in the world is using either one of those watches LOL
Throw that frog away!
Bottom feeders.....
Can you review the real Doxa and not the chinese rubbish?