As a retired NASA Prototype CNC Mech/Programmer for 46 years I can tell you that I have worked with many excellent Machinists and Engineers from India and I have no doubt that India can and will produce a high performance reliable Jet Engine.
I applaud India, with its science and engineering institutions, for aiming high and attempt to develop their own after-burning turbofan engine for use in combat aircraft. Sure, it's basically useless for such an application, but at least India can use the lessons obtained from this exercise to hopefully achieve better results with the next attempt.
Actually the kaveri problems Have been solve and has same performance as baseline gef404 so it's being used in india stealth uav program just dry version without afterburner also the modified kaveri with afterburner is in russia now to undergo high altitude test on flying Testbed
innovators move abroad dummy...cuz patriotism doesnt say the bills n security against foreign spies but go work for lockheed or jpl or dasault well they get both.
Mercedes Benz Exactly. That orientation needs to be inculcated. A word on scoring: With the multiple choice questions (wherein the answer is given as one of the a, b, c or d options )that enables students to score 100/100 for all-correct answer-sheets. Without knowing the subject, answers can be given by lottery. Prior to this scheme of multiple choice answers for questions, it used to be essay-type answers when even 90/100 is near impossible. So, in multiple choice answers type, "grading" becomes excessively difficult.
Necessity is the mother of all invention and so it will be in India too.. it's just matter of time.. Indians are far more confident then they were 10 years ago. Jai Hind
Necessity? 😂😂😂 India also needs a shit ton of soldiers now and what did the government do? They ruined the whole military. Incompetent government is a bane of development. Unfortunately India has always been plagued by incompetent governments.
@@SumitYadav-ik2df USA have less Soldier then many other countries but every one knows they can't beat USA bcz of there way better technology. And if you still didn't understand number is less important then technology .then take a example of a human with modern fighter plane vs 1,000 human with no weapons. In any condition single man will do far more dmg
@@SumitYadav-ik2df do you even read what you're typing ? The British soldiers were far, far less in number than any of the countries that they colonised , and yet they almost always won, and colonised half of the world . How do you think they did that ? They had a modern military with the best equipments in the world , that is the only reason they could create a humongous empire . What our army needs right now is modernisation , not further recruitment of soldiers. The army struggles to even provide good service rifles to its servicemen, armoured personnel carriers , etc due to the huge spending on salaries and pensions , and you're saying that they should recruit even more people ? Get real .
Difference is Rocket engine despite its complexity is like perishable and less moving parts that need longevity. Jet engine requires longevity that means nation should be strong in metallurgy and industry.
+the new cryogenic rocket engines, esp raptor class are reusable and Indian next gen cryogenic and semi-cryogenic that replace vikas engine will also be re-usable.
@@SK-pm4vq agneepath funds ?🤣🤣🤣 you won't see those funds ever. And by plan those would've appear after 20 years when these guys would have begun to retire from services. Also that is "supposedly" going to fund the equipment of the army and all.
Indian space industry is an enviable achievement for any countries and if you consider their budget constraints. However, when it comes to military development, they have not yet proven they are as efficient as others. Can India develop a powerful jet engine? Yes. More important question is when and at what cost and how reliable it will be, which is an entirely different question.
Yes it requires a little more time for them to master it. They have already made less powerful jet engines but have to improve on them. I guarantee they will have it on par with the world within 10 years.
@@swapnilpawar8015 that's what salty Indians always say. Why so sour and salty? India is a sad case.. Tried to steal Russian tech, Israeli tech, French tech... No success even when specimen right in front of you
Rest of the countries other than a handful original developers just reinvent after several years or just buy the technology. China mostly re engineers or steals
No offense, I stop listening and put this comment after 1:30 minutes because presenter said that China can’t reverse engineer which is untrue. They did for their J10, J15 and recently they even make their own. This is publicly known matters. What’s the point to continue listening and try to verify content?
It's India's lack of metallurgical experience is what prevents us from developing engines. But our thermodynamics, composites and flow contol knowledge is world class. So building a cryo rocket engine was not that hard for us.
Sir, I feel we need not spend so much on aircrafts and rather concentrate on drones and missiles....drones , missiles and mbrl s are the future....aircrafts are too expensive and most vulnerable...rather cruise missiles in large numbers and drones fitted with missiles will serve the purpose
@@siddhartharay1835 well, even if that were true, most hypersonic cruise missiles use SCRAMJET engines, not Rocket engines. And if you want to build one of those, you should have built at least a few dozen normal aircraft engines.
@@_tsu_ scram.jet propelled brahmos iz already mfg in India with technology transfer from Russia ....rocket engines for satellite launches are already mfg in india...we have released hundreds of satellite so far...ballastic missiles like agni are akready produced in india ..
More funding will definitely speed up the process and keeping the top talent in India who escape to other nations for comfort and high pay will help a ton..
its true. but to counter that what about if our enemies get the details of our projects from private sectors? At the same time national security comes as a question. so sweet spot lies in between i think. private sectors who are patriotic. otherways its not applicable. thanks.
@@sreekanthbalan4681 Well one needs to choose pvt companies carefully and have proper agreements in place. US defence industry runs on pvt companies like lockheed martin.
@@sreekanthbalan4681 us had Lockheed Martin If enemy wants, he can try to get it from public sector too. Its upto the government to protect the designs
@@sreekanthbalan4681 The US government owns all the patents on F-22 and F-35 because the government funded the program. Lockheed Martin cannot do anything as it wishes, LM products can only be sold prior to the permission of the Pentagon.
There is a very strong political focus on developing critical technologies within India. Also the technological and manufacturing prowess of India is highly advanced compared to yesteryears. With a very strong push from the country's leadership, India will certainly succeed in developing jet engine technology.
The answer is yes. Bharat has lots of money and scientific manpower. It needs the right investment to purchase supersonic windtunnels, a flying test bed to test the kaveri engine in. With sufficient testing the Kaveri engine can easily replace the Ge404 engine. With enough time and investment it can also replace the Ge414 and power the AMCA.
I'm not an engineer but some of the things you say about a rocket engine and a jet engine sounds to be true but a rocket engine is only used once whereas a jet engine is supposed to be used multiple times I'm just saying
Sir, innovation means to dig out a completely new way without following any else s foot steps....so indian technologists would definitely find a way around to reach the goal..we may perhaps use single use cheap engine to power aircraft and discard that on landing or may use some sort of catapult to launch the aircraft at very high speeds which may cover most of the distance in the flight path and then fire up an engine while in the sky...or we may use low speed aircrafts to launch a to a missiles while on the sky to hit the target....some how we have to achieve the goal of hitting the enemy on the air..
China already got their jet engines for j20, j11, j10, j16 and India still working on their jet engine on paper. In order successfully to manufacture jet engine you got to have a lot of support industrials to support it.
Building bad engines doesn't make you better at building good ones. India has a culture based largely on merit China has a culture based on compliance to authority. Big difference.
@@whysoserious7553 No. In the past, China just imported engines from Russia. Now, China's turbofan lifespan(6000hs+) is much longer than Russian engines(4000hs).
It won't be long, India will be come a, sooner be a great jet engines makers in the world. Nothing stay the same forever things change people progress new technology are made may be this time around it would be in BHARAT.
It’s hard to believe India will be able to build a 5th gen fighter when they haven’t been able to build a true 4th gen one. The engine for a 5th gen fighter is a whole different animal than one for a 4th gen which india hasn’t masted yet either. Even Russia hasn’t built one, which is one of the knocks on the SU-57 that is can’t super cruise without burning out the engine. I’m not saying india can’t do these things, just there is a learning process and it’s hard to jump steps. India is trying to jump steps. Good luck
Iran has produced it’s own indigenous civilian transport aircraft . Iran produces drones ,which even Israel and US are afraid of. But India , India is far away behind.
Seriously build...than why all chinese planes are running on russian engines...why they purchase su35 planes....india also build kaveri engine...but not mature enough like yout ws 15 or 20 or 25🤣🤣🤣
It sounds like you don't like china but the facts remains that China is miles ahead of India in most fields. Your channel will not be respected in the long run if you cannot remain professional and unbiased in your contents,
You don't take india very lightly we have seen in vaccine production what world produced most of them are from india and in very short period of time. You can't imagine how many engineers india have they only require some money and guideline they can run whole world.
India definitely has the brains, but it doesn’t have the necessary equipment to produce high-performance engines like that shown in modern-day fighters. It’s why the HAL Tejas uses a GE engine to power it. I have no doubt that one day India will have the capability, it’s just when is the unknown.
yet is has one of the worst % of poverty and child homelessness, not to mention the despicable pollution rates. great job india keep building rockets while people sit in the streets
I Think funds are needed for . Why that for most important component the govt only allocated 2500 crores. It is not lack of skills it is lack of funds.
India do has their indigenously built engine that is kaveri engine but it's not able to produce sufficient power for Tejas Mk1, also for other projects
Unfortunately india cannot make amca engine in no way itself as indian scientists are not respected , protected and that why most indian scientists leave india for their better future and facility.
Well it's not a big deal to make an fighter engine it's takes a lot of time and affort a joint development is a win win situation where you can develop a new engine in a 6-7 years instead of 15 years to start from scratch we get more knowledge and understanding , they get business
Safran deal has broken down due to India's high demand and lack of tech input from India. India wants Safran to do all the work and teach Indians the skills and also Transfer of Technology to India by only inputting half the cost.
@Cool Sparkz oh yeah the Same DRDO that Was Called Useless By your government and now is Covering up and Is Ahead in some Programs then Your west :) India is expected to Be the Strongest Nation by 2120 And China is Gonna be Strongest for a Long time too USA Ruled a Long time but In sectors like Laser weapon development where KALI is built by DRDO USA is Lacking
*The main reason for India not having a suitable fighter jet engine is the abysmal low funding granted to the project, hence the slow progress. Rolls Royce offered to develop a new engine with full TOT for about £700m , it fizzled out*
Don't underestimate India. So far we were not taking the work seriously. We will do in a short time. Wait and watch. It seems you are canvassing India for collaboration with GE for making the engine.
You need 20 years to get to the point where you can have a jet making industry. To get to the cutting edge, you will probably need another 10 years and that will be extremely fast. 30 years is roughly where China has spent on this and it still took an insane amount of effort, money, sweat and pain to get to WS-15. Jet engines are some of the most advance and intricate technologies and just having the blueprints is not enough. You need a mature economy, along with mature industries that can support such development, such as metallurgy, large scale precision manufacturing, software development etc. to get to the point you can even attempt to build an indigenous jet engine. The problem has never been about whether a people can do it, it is whether that country has the political stability and will, and the underlying determination to stay the course no matter the obstacles and challenges. So you have to ask yourself, does India really possess these qualities right now?
@@J_X999 Also it's Indians who enabled majority of MNC and large corporations reach their their current position. Many of these corps rely heavily on Indian talent pool. So it's not about talent, India used to lack funds, but not anymore.
India ki takat nahi ki turbo fan engine bana sake. Pichhle 30 saal se Kaveri engine ke devlopment par billions rupees waste ho Gaye hai. Isse behtar hota ki kisi private company ko ye job de dete. Ve naya engine devlop nahi karte to kisi existing engin ki reverse engineering se copy kar lete. Jis LCA tejas par ham uchlte hai vo sirf 50% swadeshi hai. LCA tejas me 1) Engine :GE F 404 (Amarican) 2) ejection seat:Martin-Baker (British ) 3) Radar :Elta ELM 2032 (Isreal) 4)Self protection suit: DARE-Elisra Mayawi (Israel) 5) Targeting pod: Lighting (Rafael -Israel) Jitna khrch India ne HAL, GTRE ke sarkari nikammo pr Kiya uska aadha bhi agr private sector me diffence product banane me karte to shayad aaj hm bhi rafale,F 15,F16,F 22,FE 35, Su 35 jese fighers khud bannate hote. Upar se research & devlopment institutes me bhi reservation ne bhi barbad kiya india ko.
Reason why India lags, in some of these critical techonolgies , is by design the work of some the major foreign powers , and some within our country who along with foriegn partners thrived , because we were one of the largest importers of defense eqpmts. If India stops buying defense stuff many majors will loose big time. Some nations thrive on this business, thereby controlling global power and its nobodys guess who they are. A maturity , as a society is creeping , which might turn the tide if the old forces dont gain another fothold.
It takes about 20 years in developing a mature engine, which includes thousands of hours of testing. If it's said that India wants its AMCA to come into service in around the 2030s, they still need to rely on foreign engines which depress its indigenous developers. Sad story.
It is not 80s and 90s where you needs 20 years of randomised controlled trail(RCT) and empirical experiments. Things are speeding up with new innovation every six months.
India does not steal the technology of others like china, as recently china tried to steal the technology of Russia and don’t underestimate Indian scientists they build everything just wait and watch✌️
Developing a jet requires plenty of R&D . It is on the basis of data generated that you move forward. Coupled with it you should have testing facilities right here. It is highly unlikely that India will be able to buy the technology from outside.
If we have started in 1947 we would have achieved it by the year 1990. We started late and we did not invest enough funding. So the issue is low funding and not enough time. To solve the problem we need to increase the funding and that can cut down the time required to develop. Again it is not that easy, only four countries succeeded, We can make one but to make sure we succeed will take even longer time periods
Why was the funding not there earlier for the Kaveri engine. Was it corruption or were we waiting to spend more money on the French; in this manner someone in the inside is getting a big chunk of this billion dollar deal. Sounds so much like our road development projects.
I'm sure our scientists will find a fruitful solution in developing indigenous jet engines . Why don't we take support from our reliable friend Russia, who helped us every time, including Brahmos missile. I am sure india will definitely develop 6th generation fighter/bombers within 2/3 years period. Jai hind.
Russia itself was using western engines for its MC-21 passenger jet. It is now stuck with a less capable domestic engine due to sanctions. Why would India go for second-rate technology when it is not the first choice even for Russia?
US built first atomic bomb in two years, india also built atomic bomb under Raja Ramanna in two years. Germany built tiger ii tanks in two years time. Russia took two and half years to build their world class arsenal. We under Dr sateesh reddy garu can do anything, If no political pressures are there.
the plane would have to increase in size to accommodate the 2 engines. If you put 2 engines into a car, the car would need to increase in size and weight.
Yes but atleast ,it would be indegenious and would be handy . ,, In time of war indigenous is more useful then foreign made product ..No foreign nation no matter how much close the relationship will come to yourvrescue for free .. So indigenous is better , more reliable ,more cost effective ,better spares resources and more independent in time of emergency and conflicts..
@@Raliangb maybe there are more problems than just not generating enough thrust. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tender out there for foreign company to produce an engine for India. The problem is more likely reliability.
India will make its engine no doubt but here we should also take into consideration that south korea and turkey who made fifth gen plane recently they also use GE engine.
Kaveri performance has reached its design now after years off R AND D INDIA HAS DEVOLOPED 3 GENERATION SINGLE CRYSTAL BLADE AND TITANIUM HIGH PRESSURE DISKS SO THIS IS GOING TO BOOST THE PERFORMACE OFF THE ENGINE SIGNIFICANTLY HENCE THE RUSH BY WESTERN COUNTRIES TO COLLABORATE AND TRY KEEP INDIAN ENGINE TECH DOWN
Instead of giving billions to other countries why not investing the money in our own country based companies to develop more super alloys,metal cutting technologies,jet fuels which the bases of a futuristic engine .We have enough missiles to defend ourselves for now so use the money
excuse me but India does not give billions of dollars away free but India do receive billions of dollar in aid/grant. Due to corruption in India not much do get through to help the original cause.
Any high complicated technology always requires collaboration. The demand from well known aero engine manufactures is judtified because they had initially invested heavily with time and money to produce theses engines. In order to ovevome this India should involve private sector do that there will be no further delay becsuse of red tapeism.
I think turkey and india will impress everyone with both of their next gen jets and definitely compete with usa and russia.. turkey already does with attack helicopters
I doubt kaveri engine is good enough for a UCAV as it weighs a lot and if fitted on a UCAV will affect the endurance of the Drone in a big way .India has produced very good engineers in related fields of engineering but they were not absorbed .Finally they were easily absorbed in their respective fields in the US.
You have a very flawed memory. The first British jet engine produced was called the W-1, it was capable of only 4 kN of thrust, and was fitted to the Gloster E28/39 airframe specially built for it. It first flew on 15 May 1941 at RAF Cranwell. Compare this to the first Kaveri engine that produces 70.4 kN of thrust and marvel at the Indian expertise in doing things from start to finish for peanuts. The Kaveri engine will be used in Ghatak stealth UAVs. The problem with India lies in the metallurgy department. We will need some more time to develop alloys that remain strong at 1800 degrees centigrade. It would take us seven years of hard work to make an indigenous engine that produces close to 110 KN and can be fitted on AMCA. To cut down this period, India is paying Safran to help with the Kabini core of Kaveri. The US is a fickle friend and so is the UK which is rightly called the US poodle. India will pay one Billion US dollars to Snecma. We can afford it. Boris Johnson on his visit to India wanted India to work with RR in producing an engine, but the talks didn't go very far.
Can India Make Jet engines Indigenously For Its AMCA? Not in the near future within 20-30 years. Not with the rate their industry, infrastructure and technical support are developing. As this video has shown, India has no way to develop an indigenous jet engine on their own and they have to license engine technology by bowing down to western powers and keep them happy. If the west decide to sanction India for any reason, the jet engine tech development will be dead in the water. For that matter, India's national security is tied strongly to western interests and that is an Achilles' heel.
West put sanctions on India after Nuclear Tests and US put pressure on Russia to deny India technology for cryogenic engine but India developed its own cryogenic engine.. France was the country which supported India's nuclear test and continued arms sale to India so India may go with Safran for engine joint venture.. Kaveri engine which India built has less thrust for fighter jet but atleast it will power UCAV etc...
As a retired NASA Prototype CNC Mech/Programmer for 46 years I can tell you that I have worked with many excellent Machinists and Engineers from India and I have no doubt that India can and will produce a high performance reliable Jet Engine.
Hahaha... Thought it was 45 years just a few days ago? #indianbot
@@k.k.c8670 hi chinese bot
@@k.k.c8670 hi Xhynese bot
@@TheWokker Endian bottom feeder
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I applaud India, with its science and engineering institutions, for aiming high and attempt to develop their own after-burning turbofan engine for use in combat aircraft. Sure, it's basically useless for such an application, but at least India can use the lessons obtained from this exercise to hopefully achieve better results with the next attempt.
Actually the kaveri problems Have been solve and has same performance as baseline gef404 so it's being used in india stealth uav program just dry version without afterburner also the modified kaveri with afterburner is in russia now to undergo high altitude test on flying Testbed
Rightly said,
''Necessity is the mother of all inventions''
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I also want to say, India needs innovators rather than people who score 99/100
innovators move abroad dummy...cuz patriotism doesnt say the bills n security against foreign spies but go work for lockheed or jpl or dasault well they get both.
Especially now it seems Russia is going to be semi- crippled and enslaved to China for the foreseeable future.
Although the words are harsh but somewhere you're right....
Unfortunately innovation needs money, big money and facilities these days.
Mercedes Benz
Exactly. That orientation needs to be inculcated.
A word on scoring: With the multiple choice questions (wherein the answer is given as one of the a, b, c or d options )that enables students to score 100/100 for all-correct answer-sheets. Without knowing the subject, answers can be given by lottery. Prior to this scheme of multiple choice answers for questions, it used to be essay-type answers when even 90/100 is near impossible. So, in multiple choice answers type, "grading" becomes excessively difficult.
Necessity is the mother of all invention and so it will be in India too.. it's just matter of time.. Indians are far more confident then they were 10 years ago. Jai Hind
Necessity? 😂😂😂 India also needs a shit ton of soldiers now and what did the government do? They ruined the whole military. Incompetent government is a bane of development. Unfortunately India has always been plagued by incompetent governments.
@@SumitYadav-ik2df thats the whole point...modern warfare is less soldier oriented and more technology oriented
@@SumitYadav-ik2df USA have less Soldier then many other countries but every one knows they can't beat USA bcz of there way better technology. And if you still didn't understand number is less important then technology .then take a example of a human with modern fighter plane vs 1,000 human with no weapons. In any condition single man will do far more dmg
@@SumitYadav-ik2df do you even read what you're typing ?
The British soldiers were far, far less in number than any of the countries that they colonised , and yet they almost always won, and colonised half of the world . How do you think they did that ?
They had a modern military with the best equipments in the world , that is the only reason they could create a humongous empire .
What our army needs right now is modernisation , not further recruitment of soldiers. The army struggles to even provide good service rifles to its servicemen, armoured personnel carriers , etc due to the huge spending on salaries and pensions , and you're saying that they should recruit even more people ? Get real .
@Kitty Cat It in fact was us, Indians who had invented a toilet 5000 yrs ago. What were you ancestors doing 5000 yrs ago? Hunting and gathering ?
Difference is Rocket engine despite its complexity is like perishable and less moving parts that need longevity.
Jet engine requires longevity that means nation should be strong in metallurgy and industry.
Plus the jet engine has human safety factor, rockets dont.
+the new cryogenic rocket engines, esp raptor class are reusable and Indian next gen cryogenic and semi-cryogenic that replace vikas engine will also be re-usable.
பாரதம் என்ஜின் தயாரிப்பிலும் "சுயசார்பு" அடையும்...💪💪💪 "ஒரே உலக சக்தியாக உருமாறும்"
ௐ நமச்சிவாய 🙏🙏🙏
ஆம், நிச்சயமாக 🙏 ஓம் நமசிவாய 💪 ஜெய்ஹிந்த் 🇮🇳
Keep dreaming
@@jnhg9808 நன்றி... என் கனவுகள் ... நிஜமாகுபவை... சிவபெருமான் அருளால்..
ௐ நமச்சிவாய 🙏🙏🙏
@@POORNAM_Rameshbabu_R.M_1969 love Hinduism
Never until they don't decide to invest enough in R&D ...
1st step has been taken...funds are arranged for R&D through Agneepath scheme...
@@deveshj3430 Funds from Agneepath will come after decades.
👍 Yes Sir, You are absolutely right
@@SK-pm4vq agneepath funds ?🤣🤣🤣 you won't see those funds ever. And by plan those would've appear after 20 years when these guys would have begun to retire from services. Also that is "supposedly" going to fund the equipment of the army and all.
People say this about India in everything until India proves them wrong
Current HAL engineer are from 80s....
India need to encourage private players with incentive to build next generation jet engine
Most underrated comment. Getting young engineers to do high experience level work is needed
@@marcusravi1684 But old fox in Hal won't let young engineers to succeed.... That's is the truth.....
@@ganeshm5166 s that's true bro actually youngsters not getting opportunity to work these kind of projects
@@ganeshm5166 lm also aeronautical engg i know that pain
Idk how country's opposition will take this privatisation....
Yesss of course....india can make jet engines for AMCA....big success for Indian success.....👍👍👍👍👍
Indian space industry is an enviable achievement for any countries and if you consider their budget constraints. However, when it comes to military development, they have not yet proven they are as efficient as others.
Can India develop a powerful jet engine? Yes. More important question is when and at what cost and how reliable it will be, which is an entirely different question.
Beuracracy and corruption screws india over...
Fighter Jet Engines & Nuclear Submarines are the main challenges faced by India, Hope Engineers crack it
we are on rightpath and doing our own Nuclear subs now, now are are making 4 nuclear subs right now...
வீ விள் கெட் இட் , த டேஸ் ஆர் நியரிங் 💪🇮🇳
@@gireeshkumar511 he means nuclear attack subs, not ballistic missile nuke subs. Reactors for attack subs are different
I believe our scientists can achieve it .
@@arghya1611 kalvery classes submerin are indigenous made by IND thes are neuclear sub
Yes it requires a little more time for them to master it. They have already made less powerful jet engines but have to improve on them. I guarantee they will have it on par with the world within 10 years.
"Even China, which has years of copying experience.." 😂😂
:) I was doing to say the same. Kindly add timestamp.
@Cool Sparkz China has 'copied' others engines. It is not capable of building one by their own.
@@swapnilpawar8015 that's what salty Indians always say. Why so sour and salty? India is a sad case.. Tried to steal Russian tech, Israeli tech, French tech... No success even when specimen right in front of you
@@swapnilpawar8015 You seem to turn a blind eye on fact, or you just can't accept the truth?
@@swapnilpawar8015 too hurtful? India cannot make a jet engine, sad but true, India can't even copy
“Even China, that has years of copying experience” 😂😂😂😂😂
This was the best line 😂
Rest of the countries other than a handful original developers just reinvent after several years or just buy the technology. China mostly re engineers or steals
India tried to copy Brahmos for decades and even with a JV, it can't. Still reliant on Russia.
@@k.k.c8670 Lol. Gandu if you don't have information then don't post shit.
True 🤣
No offense, I stop listening and put this comment after 1:30 minutes because presenter said that China can’t reverse engineer which is untrue. They did for their J10, J15 and recently they even make their own. This is publicly known matters. What’s the point to continue listening and try to verify content?
It's India's lack of metallurgical experience is what prevents us from developing engines. But our thermodynamics, composites and flow contol knowledge is world class. So building a cryo rocket engine was not that hard for us.
Yep India has very poor metallurgical engineering institutions.
Sir, I feel we need not spend so much on aircrafts and rather concentrate on drones and missiles....drones , missiles and mbrl s are the future....aircrafts are too expensive and most vulnerable...rather cruise missiles in large numbers and drones fitted with missiles will serve the purpose
@@siddhartharay1835 well, even if that were true, most hypersonic cruise missiles use SCRAMJET engines, not Rocket engines. And if you want to build one of those, you should have built at least a few dozen normal aircraft engines.
@@_tsu_ scram.jet propelled brahmos iz already mfg in India with technology transfer from Russia ....rocket engines for satellite launches are already mfg in india...we have released hundreds of satellite so far...ballastic missiles like agni are akready produced in india ..
@@siddhartharay1835
Recently HAL has announced that it can make 80kw thrust engine. So in future it is possible.
faith is not enough......
KN
It's india and india can make it 😎 one day by own
More funding will definitely speed up the process and keeping the top talent in India who escape to other nations for comfort and high pay will help a ton..
India should involve private sector in R&D projects. They have more capable manpower to develop complex engines.
its true. but to counter that what about if our enemies get the details of our projects from private sectors? At the same time national security comes as a question. so sweet spot lies in between i think. private sectors who are patriotic. otherways its not applicable. thanks.
@@sreekanthbalan4681 Well one needs to choose pvt companies carefully and have proper agreements in place. US defence industry runs on pvt companies like lockheed martin.
@@sreekanthbalan4681 us had Lockheed Martin
If enemy wants, he can try to get it from public sector too. Its upto the government to protect the designs
@@sreekanthbalan4681 The US government owns all the patents on F-22 and F-35 because the government funded the program.
Lockheed Martin cannot do anything as it wishes, LM products can only be sold prior to the permission of the Pentagon.
Good job , informative
There is a very strong political focus on developing critical technologies within India. Also the technological and manufacturing prowess of India is highly advanced compared to yesteryears. With a very strong push from the country's leadership, India will certainly succeed in developing jet engine technology.
First India should delete the poor in the country
Yes ofcourse when we made cryogenic rocket engine on our own this is nothing we will create our own.
Yes india can make its own jet engine for AMCA......🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍👍
India can and should. The engine is the heart of the fighter craft.
No doubt DRDO can do it
what happen to kaveri engine? still not ready yet?
The answer is yes. Bharat has lots of money and scientific manpower. It needs the right investment to purchase supersonic windtunnels, a flying test bed to test the kaveri engine in.
With sufficient testing the Kaveri engine can easily replace the Ge404 engine. With enough time and investment it can also replace the Ge414 and power the AMCA.
Kaveri is dead.
@@AnonymousSong it's alive now and having a lot of testings 😈
I'm not an engineer but some of the things you say about a rocket engine and a jet engine sounds to be true but a rocket engine is only used once whereas a jet engine is supposed to be used multiple times I'm just saying
Sir, innovation means to dig out a completely new way without following any else s foot steps....so indian technologists would definitely find a way around to reach the goal..we may perhaps use single use cheap engine to power aircraft and discard that on landing or may use some sort of catapult to launch the aircraft at very high speeds which may cover most of the distance in the flight path and then fire up an engine while in the sky...or we may use low speed aircrafts to launch a to a missiles while on the sky to hit the target....some how we have to achieve the goal of hitting the enemy on the air..
You missed the UK when mentioning the countries with jet engine technology. Rolls-Royce engines power many aircrafts around the world.
China already got their jet engines for j20, j11, j10, j16 and India still working on their jet engine on paper. In order successfully to manufacture jet engine you got to have a lot of support industrials to support it.
All 'Chinese' engines are reverse engineered, cheap quality copycats.
Building bad engines doesn't make you better at building good ones. India has a culture based largely on merit China has a culture based on compliance to authority. Big difference.
@@patrickweaver1105 LOL.
Chinese engines are Russian copy
@@whysoserious7553 No. In the past, China just imported engines from Russia. Now, China's turbofan lifespan(6000hs+) is much longer than Russian engines(4000hs).
Plz how do i get to one of this jet inventors for i have new ideas stealth performance
It won't be long, India will be come a, sooner be a great jet engines makers in the world. Nothing stay the same forever things change people progress new technology are made may be this time around it would be in BHARAT.
India can make jet engines....👍👍👍
It’s hard to believe India will be able to build a 5th gen fighter when they haven’t been able to build a true 4th gen one. The engine for a 5th gen fighter is a whole different animal than one for a 4th gen which india hasn’t masted yet either. Even Russia hasn’t built one, which is one of the knocks on the SU-57 that is can’t super cruise without burning out the engine. I’m not saying india can’t do these things, just there is a learning process and it’s hard to jump steps. India is trying to jump steps. Good luck
Heard of Tejas LCA? even the American Airforce chief has praised the controls, electronics and aviation of Tejas. Wake up. Good morning edward.
@@maadi77😂😂😂
@@maadi77control electronics and avionics are israeli made in tejas.
very nice one
Iran has produced it’s own indigenous civilian transport aircraft . Iran produces drones ,which even Israel and US are afraid of. But India , India is far away behind.
The french used gef404 on rahphael plane until their engine was ready it had same thrust as current kaveri
China already has own build engine WS-15 turbofan
Seriously build...than why all chinese planes are running on russian engines...why they purchase su35 planes....india also build kaveri engine...but not mature enough like yout ws 15 or 20 or 25🤣🤣🤣
It sounds like you don't like china but the facts remains that China is miles ahead of India in most fields. Your channel will not be respected in the long run if you cannot remain professional and unbiased in your contents,
You don't take india very lightly we have seen in vaccine production what world produced most of them are from india and in very short period of time.
You can't imagine how many engineers india have they only require some money and guideline they can run whole world.
He don't need to be respected, Indian clicks are all he want.
There are some real Chinese arse lickers on comments ..
India definitely has the brains, but it doesn’t have the necessary equipment to produce high-performance engines like that shown in modern-day fighters. It’s why the HAL Tejas uses a GE engine to power it. I have no doubt that one day India will have the capability, it’s just when is the unknown.
yet is has one of the worst % of poverty and child homelessness, not to mention the despicable pollution rates. great job india keep building rockets while people sit in the streets
Forget India even China struggles with it.
@@Exiyle thank for the compliment. It's our country,so we will do what we want. Don't lecture us
@@sreeraj2586 facts are facts.
@@Exiyle I not said you are wrong 🙄.
Ok . Are u happy
A joint venture of HAL, DRDO and ISRO can make it happen.
It difficult for Government body. Private firms must be engaged.
With heavy investment by govt of India.
I Think funds are needed for . Why that for most important component the govt only allocated 2500 crores. It is not lack of skills it is lack of funds.
India is near to develop own engine😊😊
India should develop own engines for jets planes and waterships navy❤❤❤❤❤ must work hard
Todays scenarios are totally different than last 70 years politician's interest, things will change soon,
In theory India can, the question is will it be worth the wait?
India do has their indigenously built engine that is kaveri engine but it's not able to produce sufficient power for Tejas Mk1, also for other projects
Unfortunately india cannot make amca engine in no way itself as indian scientists are not respected , protected and that why most indian scientists leave india for their better future and facility.
They are saying that it will roll out in 2026 let's see
India should deal with France to build new engine fast so that project like Tejas can be completed in time to give more power to India Air Force
Yes will make in 3022
Not before 2050 or 2060!
Well it's not a big deal to make an fighter engine it's takes a lot of time and affort a joint development is a win win situation where you can develop a new engine in a 6-7 years instead of 15 years to start from scratch we get more knowledge and understanding , they get business
India will never manufacture engine for Amca.The technology is very complex.
Safran deal has broken down due to India's high demand and lack of tech input from India. India wants Safran to do all the work and teach Indians the skills and also Transfer of Technology to India by only inputting half the cost.
will not copy but will certainly develop a reliable, efficient engine this decade as our private players are also involve in it.
@@smileplease3204 how many months has the tender been out ? Still not 1 single company is willing to comply with India's terms.
If DRDO is involved in the development of a new engine I will be long buried before it takes flight.
@Cool Sparkz oh yeah the Same DRDO that Was Called Useless By your government and now is Covering up and Is Ahead in some Programs then Your west :) India is expected to Be the Strongest Nation by 2120 And China is Gonna be Strongest for a Long time too USA Ruled a Long time but In sectors like Laser weapon development where KALI is built by DRDO USA is Lacking
😊😊i'm totally trust on our iit students
*The main reason for India not having a suitable fighter jet engine is the abysmal low funding granted to the project, hence the slow progress. Rolls Royce offered to develop a new engine with full TOT for about £700m , it fizzled out*
Question to French dude: does Safran make 11 ton thrust engine?
J-20 fighter jets already equipped with domestically developed engines made their first flight performance at Airshow China 2021.
That engine is very weak.
@@smileplease5567 cope harder ??
WS 15 ?? That's isn't week
It's comparable to izdeliye 30 engine
@@abdirahmanahmadalifarah926 You don't know.
Don't underestimate India. So far we were not taking the work seriously. We will do in a short time. Wait and watch. It seems you are canvassing India for collaboration with GE for making the engine.
That sounds like excuses
@@deveryhenderson8335 Indians are the best with hype and excuses
You have to obey to rules. Every country takes more than 20 years in developing a new engine. It's can't be in a short time. Watch, learn and do.
You need 20 years to get to the point where you can have a jet making industry. To get to the cutting edge, you will probably need another 10 years and that will be extremely fast. 30 years is roughly where China has spent on this and it still took an insane amount of effort, money, sweat and pain to get to WS-15. Jet engines are some of the most advance and intricate technologies and just having the blueprints is not enough. You need a mature economy, along with mature industries that can support such development, such as metallurgy, large scale precision manufacturing, software development etc. to get to the point you can even attempt to build an indigenous jet engine.
The problem has never been about whether a people can do it, it is whether that country has the political stability and will, and the underlying determination to stay the course no matter the obstacles and challenges. So you have to ask yourself, does India really possess these qualities right now?
@@J_X999 Also it's Indians who enabled majority of MNC and large corporations reach their their current position. Many of these corps rely heavily on Indian talent pool. So it's not about talent, India used to lack funds, but not anymore.
Of course India can make a jet engine, just takes about 100 years.
Give India 200 years, still can't
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India ki takat nahi ki turbo fan engine bana sake. Pichhle 30 saal se Kaveri engine ke devlopment par billions rupees waste ho Gaye hai.
Isse behtar hota ki kisi private company ko ye job de dete. Ve naya engine devlop nahi karte to kisi existing engin ki reverse engineering se copy kar lete.
Jis LCA tejas par ham uchlte hai vo sirf 50% swadeshi hai. LCA tejas me
1) Engine :GE F 404 (Amarican)
2) ejection seat:Martin-Baker (British )
3) Radar :Elta ELM 2032 (Isreal)
4)Self protection suit: DARE-Elisra Mayawi (Israel)
5) Targeting pod: Lighting (Rafael -Israel)
Jitna khrch India ne HAL, GTRE ke sarkari nikammo pr Kiya uska aadha bhi agr private sector me diffence product banane me karte to shayad aaj hm bhi rafale,F 15,F16,F 22,FE 35, Su 35 jese fighers khud bannate hote.
Upar se research & devlopment institutes me bhi reservation ne bhi barbad kiya india ko.
Until 2080....but Now india is asking for a American engines
Reason why India lags, in some of these critical techonolgies , is by design the work of some the major foreign powers , and some within our country who along with foriegn partners thrived , because we were one of the largest importers of defense eqpmts.
If India stops buying defense stuff many majors will loose big time. Some nations thrive on this business, thereby controlling global power and its nobodys guess who they are.
A maturity , as a society is creeping , which might turn the tide if the old forces dont gain another fothold.
It takes about 20 years in developing a mature engine, which includes thousands of hours of testing. If it's said that India wants its AMCA to come into service in around the 2030s, they still need to rely on foreign engines which depress its indigenous developers. Sad story.
It is not 80s and 90s where you needs 20 years of randomised controlled trail(RCT) and empirical experiments. Things are speeding up with new innovation every six months.
Minds are already there in india no more lacking except investors.
@@ham4553 That's the physic rules. Computers doesn't help this process at all.
India does not steal the technology of others like china, as recently china tried to steal the technology of Russia and don’t underestimate Indian scientists they build everything just wait and watch✌️
@@rohinyadav2967 Indians always use stealing to show how powerless they are.
I am astonished, why govt doesn't involve, BHEL Haridwar for development of engines.
well this vid is a lowkey reality check
Developing a jet requires plenty of R&D . It is on the basis of data generated that you move forward. Coupled with it you should have testing facilities right here. It is highly unlikely that India will be able to buy the technology from outside.
India had built 49 kn dry thurst kaveri ,and will soon built 90kn wet thurst kaveri -2 engine indigenously 💯🇮🇳 🙏
If we have started in 1947 we would have achieved it by the year 1990. We started late and we did not invest enough funding. So the issue is low funding and not enough time. To solve the problem we need to increase the funding and that can cut down the time required to develop. Again it is not that easy, only four countries succeeded, We can make one but to make sure we succeed will take even longer time periods
Why was the funding not there earlier for the Kaveri engine. Was it corruption or were we waiting to spend more money on the French; in this manner someone in the inside is getting a big chunk of this billion dollar deal. Sounds so much like our road development projects.
HAL and DRDO both r govt companies and u know how govt offices works 😂
Instead of giving money others it's good to invest in country own r&d.
I'm sure our scientists will find a fruitful solution in developing indigenous jet engines . Why don't we take support from our reliable friend Russia, who helped us every time, including Brahmos missile. I am sure india will definitely develop 6th generation fighter/bombers within 2/3 years period. Jai hind.
Russia itself was using western engines for its MC-21 passenger jet. It is now stuck with a less capable domestic engine due to sanctions. Why would India go for second-rate technology when it is not the first choice even for Russia?
6th gen fighter within 2 or 3 years? That's madness. I don't mean to be rude. but you have no idea how this works do you?
US built first atomic bomb in two years, india also built atomic bomb under Raja Ramanna in two years. Germany built tiger ii tanks in two years time. Russia took two and half years to build their world class arsenal. We under Dr sateesh reddy garu can do anything, If no political pressures are there.
If kaveri developed 75 KN , Then why not use Twin engine of
75KN +75KN = 150KN thrust ...
Which is enough for a Jet to carry 7K-9K payload ..
the plane would have to increase in size to accommodate the 2 engines. If you put 2 engines into a car, the car would need to increase in size and weight.
Yes but atleast ,it would be indegenious and would be handy . ,, In time of war indigenous is more useful then foreign made product ..No foreign nation no matter how much close the relationship will come to yourvrescue for free .. So indigenous is better , more reliable ,more cost effective ,better spares resources and more independent in time of emergency and conflicts..
@@Raliangb maybe there are more problems than just not generating enough thrust. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tender out there for foreign company to produce an engine for India. The problem is more likely reliability.
Bro that will require more engine build or more money for each jet plus fuel consumption etc got🤗🤗🤗india is good at containing cost efficiency 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Don't worry, they will be able to make the best engine soon.
An Indian timeline is a mystery, depending on how many gallons of cow dung drank, timeline starts from 100years ends up being infinity 😂😂
India will make its engine no doubt but here we should also take into consideration that south korea and turkey who made fifth gen plane recently they also use GE engine.
Cost???
Kaveri performance has reached its design now after years off R AND D INDIA HAS DEVOLOPED 3 GENERATION SINGLE CRYSTAL BLADE AND TITANIUM HIGH PRESSURE DISKS SO THIS IS GOING TO BOOST THE PERFORMACE OFF THE ENGINE SIGNIFICANTLY HENCE THE RUSH BY WESTERN COUNTRIES TO COLLABORATE AND TRY KEEP INDIAN ENGINE TECH DOWN
Interesting theory GE will do just fine.
Missile is the best..
The people and technology is now in place, the incentives now in place give 5 years and it will be good.
Instead of giving billions to other countries why not investing the money in our own country based companies to develop more super alloys,metal cutting technologies,jet fuels which the bases of a futuristic engine .We have enough missiles to defend ourselves for now so use the money
excuse me but India does not give billions of dollars away free but India do receive billions of dollar in aid/grant. Due to corruption in India not much do get through to help the original cause.
@@lesliecheung1478 You are getting jealous? That means, India is growing.
@@protograde2723 growing SH1T
Any high complicated technology always requires collaboration. The demand from well known aero engine manufactures is judtified because they had initially invested heavily with time and money to produce theses engines. In order to ovevome this India should involve private sector do that there will be no further delay becsuse of red tapeism.
I think turkey and india will impress everyone with both of their next gen jets and definitely compete with usa and russia.. turkey already does with attack helicopters
you mean attack helo's whose technology was bought by Turkey lock-stock-barrel from Italy? :-D
I doubt kaveri engine is good enough for a UCAV as it weighs a lot and if fitted on a UCAV will affect the endurance of the Drone in a big way .India has produced very good engineers in related fields of engineering but they were not absorbed .Finally they were easily absorbed in their respective fields in the US.
Best part is, EVEN CHINA, HAVE A COPYING EXPERIANCE. ROFL
The Indians took 30 years to develop engine less tejas. I wonder how long it will take to develop their own engine 😂
We only need engine,planes we can manufacture
An over weight one 😂😂😂
Its has only been 58 years since HAL existed.
You have a very flawed memory. The first British jet engine produced was called the W-1, it was capable of only 4 kN of thrust, and was fitted to the Gloster E28/39 airframe specially built for it. It first flew on 15 May 1941 at RAF Cranwell. Compare this to the first Kaveri engine that produces 70.4 kN of thrust and marvel at the Indian expertise in doing things from start to finish for peanuts. The Kaveri engine will be used in Ghatak stealth UAVs. The problem with India lies in the metallurgy department. We will need some more time to develop alloys that remain strong at 1800 degrees centigrade. It would take us seven years of hard work to make an indigenous engine that produces close to 110 KN and can be fitted on AMCA. To cut down this period, India is paying Safran to help with the Kabini core of Kaveri. The US is a fickle friend and so is the UK which is rightly called the US poodle. India will pay one Billion US dollars to Snecma. We can afford it. Boris Johnson on his visit to India wanted India to work with RR in producing an engine, but the talks didn't go very far.
Yeah if the UK is the USA poodle then India is Russias
Can India Make Jet engines Indigenously For Its AMCA?
Not in the near future within 20-30 years. Not with the rate their industry, infrastructure and technical support are developing. As this video has shown, India has no way to develop an indigenous jet engine on their own and they have to license engine technology by bowing down to western powers and keep them happy. If the west decide to sanction India for any reason, the jet engine tech development will be dead in the water. For that matter, India's national security is tied strongly to western interests and that is an Achilles' heel.
West put sanctions on India after Nuclear Tests and US put pressure on Russia to deny India technology for cryogenic engine but India developed its own cryogenic engine.. France was the country which supported India's nuclear test and continued arms sale to India so India may go with Safran for engine joint venture.. Kaveri engine which India built has less thrust for fighter jet but atleast it will power UCAV etc...
Wait and wach for 10 years for the answer.
If government of India help me I can build up a jet engine.
One day I am made it for my country
I can build.
Can India make jet engines?
Sure.
Can it make them on an economical basis?
Not a fuck chance.
Short answer without help